Speaker 1: Hey, beauties, It's Jamie Joe and Jesse Massou and welcome
Speaker 1: to Skinfluence, a podcast dedicated to beauty, fashion and self love,
Speaker 1: turning your weakness into your uniqueness. Before we get started,
Speaker 1: we'd like to acknowledge the custodians of the land on
Speaker 1: which we record the Gadigil people of the Oranation. In
Speaker 1: today's episode, we are tackling our most asked questions about
Speaker 1: curly hair, and it's all going to be about how
Speaker 1: to grow out your curly hair and how to deal
Speaker 1: with frizz. Let's get into it. So hair growth. This
Speaker 1: is literally our biggest asked question because we both do
Speaker 1: have quite long curls and Michaels have been through many
Speaker 1: different stages. I've had the short curls, I've had, you know,
Speaker 1: a fringe, I've had very round curls, and now I've
Speaker 1: got long mermaid curls and this is actually my favorite
Speaker 1: stage of my hair. Same and I think we kind
Speaker 1: of go through these stages together, like which is so cute.
Speaker 1: And our followers have seen that, of course, and they
Speaker 1: are all asking the question, how do you go out
Speaker 1: your curls? And this can be a little bit tough
Speaker 1: to answer, because it's not just one miracle thing that
Speaker 1: we can say this is going to work for you, because,
Speaker 1: like we always like to say, hair is really like
Speaker 1: individual and there are so many different curl types, right,
Speaker 1: so what we might do might not work for you.
Speaker 1: But we have seen these things test and tried amongst
Speaker 1: a wide group of people, and these things like together
Speaker 1: are always going to help stimulate hair growth. I think
Speaker 1: we have a few pretty fool proof methods. Though. The
Speaker 1: only thing that could be getting in the way of
Speaker 1: hair growth is your hormones, So that could be something
Speaker 1: separately that you have to check out. But in terms
Speaker 1: of if you're doing all these things together, as Jesse said,
Speaker 1: you are going to see results. So just stay stick
Speaker 1: with us because we've got some really really great stuff
Speaker 1: to tell you about how to grow out those curls.
Speaker 1: All right, let's hop right into them. The first one
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about is rosemary water. I'm sure
Speaker 1: most of you would have seen online a big sort
Speaker 1: of craze that started about rose mary oil versus rosemary water.
Speaker 1: As I saw this craze come up about rosemary water,
Speaker 1: I guess I had really short hair at the time
Speaker 1: I was dealing with hormone issues and I just did
Speaker 1: like the big chop, thinking that was going to save
Speaker 1: my curly We both did. I don't know what we
Speaker 1: decided to do, but before our Italian summer in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, we thought, why why not just chop out
Speaker 1: curls off? Why would we do that? Like, I think
Speaker 1: we were both going through the works with our curls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: our curl pattern had changed and like they just sort
Speaker 1: of lost a bit of life. So we thought that
Speaker 1: if we cut our hair we'd get the life and
Speaker 1: the bounce and the curls back. But it just actually
Speaker 1: was for a solution. So maybe even take that as
Speaker 1: a sign to not think that cutting your hair is
Speaker 1: always the option. That's true. So yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: I was going through the works. I heard so much
Speaker 1: about rosemary oil online actually, and I really really wanted
Speaker 1: to try it, but honestly, I was afraid about putting
Speaker 1: oil into my curly hair. It's something that you hear
Speaker 1: a lot of mixed sort of reviews about. Well. Not
Speaker 1: only that, I think our experience with oil in general
Speaker 1: is that it doesn't actually do many good things for
Speaker 1: our curls. Me personally, I never use oil on my
Speaker 1: hair unless it's just a little bit if I have
Speaker 1: dead ends, so just on the very ends of my curls.
Speaker 1: I don't like using oil throughout my hair to refresh
Speaker 1: because it makes it oily, droopy, frizzy like all of
Speaker 1: the aboves. So doing that doing rosemary oil wasn't really
Speaker 1: a good option, even though you'd heard so many good
Speaker 1: things about it. And then you came across rosemary. Well
Speaker 1: that was the thing I heard, just heard so many
Speaker 1: good things about it for straight hair. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: had seen amazing results for straight hair, but you don't
Speaker 1: see much about it for curly hair. So I kept
Speaker 1: doing my research and I looked into rosemary water. And
Speaker 1: this is something that you can actually make at home,
Speaker 1: which is I love a little bit of a DIY project,
Speaker 1: you really and it's easy. You can just go down
Speaker 1: to your local supermarket buy some rosemary, and then the
Speaker 1: process is you boil the rosemary in water with cloves
Speaker 1: until the water starts bubbling, and then you actually turn
Speaker 1: off the heat and then you leave it in the
Speaker 1: pot with the lid on for twenty minutes and then
Speaker 1: you just pour it out and it's ready to use.
Speaker 1: You can freeze it and then let it defrust and
Speaker 1: use it throughout the week. So how would you use it?
Speaker 1: So how I used it? I would put it in
Speaker 1: a spray bottle, yep, spray all over my scalp, mainly
Speaker 1: focus in the scalp, and then whatever. Once that was
Speaker 1: like fully drenched, I'd try and like wet the rest
Speaker 1: of my hair, and then I would use a scalp
Speaker 1: massage to rub it in and stimulate blood flow to
Speaker 1: the scalp so that it sort of activates in a way.
Speaker 1: These two go hand in hand because using a scout
Speaker 1: massage and the rosemary water is both targeting hair growth.
Speaker 1: Did you see any results after you were using this?
Speaker 1: How long did you actually use it for? I used
Speaker 1: this consistently for four months. I started doing it in
Speaker 1: my UNI break because I knew I could be consistent
Speaker 1: with it then. And the results I saw from it
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily just hair growth, to be honest, like length,
Speaker 1: I didn't see just length, but I did see density change,
Speaker 1: and that's something that I was struggling a lot with
Speaker 1: pcos I felt like my hair was really gappy, thin
Speaker 1: and thin, and it was like straggling and I was
Speaker 1: just losing a lot of hair, so I think it
Speaker 1: helped me stop losing more hair, and it made my
Speaker 1: scalp less irritable. I could go longer between my wash days,
Speaker 1: and it honestly kind of helped me with my dandriff,
Speaker 1: which is really random, but these were the changes that
Speaker 1: I saw in response to rosemary water, so it was
Speaker 1: all positive. Yeah, positive changes that do help lead to length.
Speaker 1: If you're really serious about hair growth, rosemary water is
Speaker 1: such a good option because it's cheap. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: almost essentially free if you grow your own rosemary or
Speaker 1: if you know anybody who does, and it does actually
Speaker 1: get you the results that you want without keeping your
Speaker 1: hair oily. So rosemary oil maybe is better for straight hair,
Speaker 1: but I don't think necessarily it's the way to go
Speaker 1: for thinner density curls. If you have thick, textured, coily hair,
Speaker 1: this would be a great, great option for you. For us,
Speaker 1: rosemary water, you know, just had great results, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have nothing by trying it right. Another quick thing
Speaker 1: to slide in before we get to some product rex
Speaker 1: is having a protein heavy diet. This is just something
Speaker 1: that you can do for yourself whilst you are eating
Speaker 1: and preparing your food. Having a lot of protein in
Speaker 1: your diet is going to make sure that you are
Speaker 1: keeping good hair density and healthy hair and it just
Speaker 1: goes hand in hand with women's health and women's hormones.
Speaker 1: So that's something for Jesse, especially as a pcos curly,
Speaker 1: that she needs to just focus on. Yeah, always just
Speaker 1: upping the protein. And we talked about it in a
Speaker 1: previous episode about bone broth and collagen. Yep, you know
Speaker 1: collagen help spruce hair skin and they also those things
Speaker 1: go hand in hand and you can listen to it
Speaker 1: on that episode. Yeah, one hundred percent. Okay, So this
Speaker 1: is my favorite hack for really growing your curls. And
Speaker 1: this is not spoken about enough, and it is so
Speaker 1: easy and it is so cheap because it's just a
Speaker 1: one time purchase, so by yourself a scalp massager. I
Speaker 1: honestly cannot recommend it enough. I've used a few different
Speaker 1: brands and the one from a Vader is actually my favorite.
Speaker 1: So it's called the Scalp Solutions scalp Massager. It is
Speaker 1: fifty eight dollars. But again, it's just a one time purchase.
Speaker 1: It's not a product that you're going to run out
Speaker 1: of and you can grab that from Mecha. So what
Speaker 1: you do with a scout massage, you can use it
Speaker 1: in a few different ways, and Jesse mentioned it in
Speaker 1: one way, you can use it paired with your rosemary
Speaker 1: water or oil or whatever you're using. Yeah, because this
Speaker 1: is really great at stimulating the scalp. It looks like
Speaker 1: just this little thing that you hold in your hand
Speaker 1: with poky little prongs and essentially its massages your scalp.
Speaker 1: What I like to do is I like to go
Speaker 1: in different sections across the top of my head and
Speaker 1: then all the way around and literally just getting every
Speaker 1: part of my scalp and really massaging your head with
Speaker 1: a scout massage. What it does is stimulate the hair
Speaker 1: folly cool. It also is going to break up any
Speaker 1: products build up that you have on your scalp, and
Speaker 1: product build up can really get in the way it
Speaker 1: holds hair growth. Yeah, it can really get in the
Speaker 1: way of just a good healthy hair environment for your scalp.
Speaker 1: Scalp care is so important, and I think people don't
Speaker 1: realize how much product build up they can be having,
Speaker 1: especially with curly hair, because you're using a lot of
Speaker 1: different products. So sort of tame your curls and get
Speaker 1: them looking really really good. So you've got creams, gels, mooses,
Speaker 1: hair sprays like that creates up a lot of build
Speaker 1: up which is definitely affecting your hair growth. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: really getting rid of that product build up with a
Speaker 1: Scout massage is going to be so beneficial. And using
Speaker 1: a Scout massage twice a week to stimulate the hair
Speaker 1: follicles is going to be so good in just promoting
Speaker 1: hair growth and length. Yeah. People ask me like, how
Speaker 1: did you go your hair so quickly because they saw
Speaker 1: me with short hair not so long ago and now
Speaker 1: it's almost down to my waist. It is using a
Speaker 1: Scout massage twice weekly. It is so beneficial. I cannot
Speaker 1: recommend it enough. And then when you pair it with
Speaker 1: a product for the scalp, it's just going to boost
Speaker 1: all the effects and just really really promote healthy hair.
Speaker 1: And the product that I love to use is the
Speaker 1: Dircose by Vichy Anti Jeranda shampoo. It's twenty six dollars.
Speaker 1: It's from chemist to warehouse and this isn't a product
Speaker 1: that has been marketed towards just curly hair, but this
Speaker 1: product is amazing for reducing product built up. And if
Speaker 1: you have curly hair and you have dandriff and you
Speaker 1: have an irritable, itchy scalp, this has made the biggest
Speaker 1: change in my hair. This is a really good balancing
Speaker 1: product that I like to use in replace of like
Speaker 1: a no pooh shampoo. Yeah, that is one thing that
Speaker 1: you guys have to cut out as curly girls. Stop
Speaker 1: no pooing, because if you don't know what that is,
Speaker 1: no poo is basically like it's like cleansing your hair
Speaker 1: without actually cleaning it. Shampoo is designed to clean the scalp,
Speaker 1: to get rid of product build up, and just to
Speaker 1: actually make the hair clean. If you are, as a
Speaker 1: curly girl not doing that because you think it's better
Speaker 1: for your curls, you are soally mistaken. You might be
Speaker 1: self sabotage, Yeah, you really are. And your hair growth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're getting in the way of like healthy hair growth.
Speaker 1: So using the scap massage with rosemary water or the
Speaker 1: anti dandriff shampoo is going to just double the benefits
Speaker 1: and the effects. Now, my favorite product is a scalp scrub,
Speaker 1: and I almost completely have ditched shampoo. I use it
Speaker 1: every now and then, but I use a scalp scrub
Speaker 1: in the shower every single time I wash my hair.
Speaker 1: It's just so much more beneficial for me. And the
Speaker 1: one that I love is the krystof Robin Sea Salts. Wow,
Speaker 1: what a tongue to a shop. It's the christof Rubin
Speaker 1: sea salt scalp scrub. That is a handful cheese. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is seventy two dollars, so it's quite expensive, but
Speaker 1: this is a big tub, so it's actually going to
Speaker 1: last you quite a while. And a little bit goes
Speaker 1: a long way because the texture of the product is
Speaker 1: actually like crystallized sea salt. However, when you scoop it
Speaker 1: out onto your hand, it looks like that sea salt
Speaker 1: crystallized product. But then when you add a little bit
Speaker 1: of water, it starts to emulsify and it actually goes
Speaker 1: a really long way. So you only need like a
Speaker 1: small coin sized amount of this and this effectively cleans
Speaker 1: my hair like no tomorrow, as in my hair is
Speaker 1: squeaky squeaky clean if I like the feeling of it
Speaker 1: being squeaky clean. Though I know product yeah before when
Speaker 1: my scalp used to get super irritated. I might try
Speaker 1: it again soon though, because I don't have that issue anymore.
Speaker 1: But when I used to try, I did find that
Speaker 1: it irritated my hair. So maybe if you have already
Speaker 1: in sensitive scalp and it's in an irritable mode already,
Speaker 1: maybe don't try it just yet. But if you have
Speaker 1: a healthy scalp, like Jamie's saying, like this will go
Speaker 1: a long way to like really clean it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: in terms of hair growth, there are so many things
Speaker 1: you can do, but these are our top recommendations. Just
Speaker 1: to go over them again and just give you all
Speaker 1: quick run down to refresh yourself. You've got rosemary water,
Speaker 1: a high protein diet, scalp massaging, the right shampoo or
Speaker 1: scalp scrub. Yeah. Now we're getting into another big thing
Speaker 1: that everyone wants to know how to reduce, and it's bruized. Yes,
Speaker 1: And this is it's a hard topic because frizze is
Speaker 1: such a beautiful part of curls. It's just naturally. I
Speaker 1: think it's just an inherent thing that you have when
Speaker 1: you have curly hair. Yeah, it's not something that you're
Speaker 1: going to be able to completely get rid of, especially
Speaker 1: if you like voluminous, big curl, fluffy curl, yeah, which
Speaker 1: we both do. I think a better way to think
Speaker 1: about it is fluffy and movable and like lived in,
Speaker 1: lived in. That's right, Like if you look at our
Speaker 1: hair from day to day, there's maybe only a few
Speaker 1: hours that our hair doesn't have any frizz. And that's
Speaker 1: just the reality of having curls. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: I always like to think about curls in the sun
Speaker 1: and when it's got that little bit of like fluffy
Speaker 1: frizzy texture to it, the sun hits really lovely on
Speaker 1: it and it kind of like shines. So I like
Speaker 1: to think of it in that way. And I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a bad thing. But at the beginning of
Speaker 1: your wash, I think you do want your first results
Speaker 1: to have minimal frieze so that like as you progress,
Speaker 1: your hair lasts longer throughout the week. Of course, like
Speaker 1: if you live in a humid environment, frieze can be
Speaker 1: like a very big issue because it's not just a
Speaker 1: nice little bit of frizze that we're talking about. It
Speaker 1: could like overtake your hair. You could have absolutely no
Speaker 1: definition at all. So we do have some recommendations, and
Speaker 1: these are products that we have been using for a
Speaker 1: very long time, like since day one, Silly Hair Day one,
Speaker 1: which is like almost six years ago, because they are
Speaker 1: great at combating frizz and actually that's right. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: this is the John Frieda Dream Curls Frizzease range. And
Speaker 1: you can literally get this at any drug store near you,
Speaker 1: Price Line, Chemist ware House. I think they even have it,
Speaker 1: like yeah, Willies, yeah, Willis and Calls and especially the
Speaker 1: Secret Weapon finishing cream. And it's super affordable. Their products
Speaker 1: range from ten to twenty dollars. Well, you can just
Speaker 1: catch a sale to exactly. Yeah. I love products that
Speaker 1: you can. You're always going to find these on sale.
Speaker 1: The Secret Weapon Finishing Cream. I love to use that
Speaker 1: when I'm refreshing my hair, like the next day, day two,
Speaker 1: in the morning, I'll put it in my hair, and honestly,
Speaker 1: that seems to target the frizz on for my day
Speaker 1: two curls exactly, so you're gonna mainly see frizz on
Speaker 1: day two, day three. What do you want to do
Speaker 1: with this product? Is you just want to squeeze a
Speaker 1: p size amount into your hand, super small amount. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't need a lot. It's quite thick actually, and
Speaker 1: you want to rub it to a mulsify, So just
Speaker 1: rub it between your fingers and then you want to
Speaker 1: scrunch it in. Don't drag the product through the hair.
Speaker 1: This can create I know, just like very soggy looking hair.
Speaker 1: Well I I was about to save the opposite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you mean, Well, I like to like put
Speaker 1: it like this and then scrutch. Okay, yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: because if you just start scrunching, you're just scrunching over
Speaker 1: the frieze. Well that's a pancake technique. So you want
Speaker 1: to pancake over the hair and then scrunch, but you
Speaker 1: don't want to run your fingers through your curl. No, never,
Speaker 1: that would be terrifying. Yeah. Yeah, so pancake it over
Speaker 1: to seal in that frieze and then you can then
Speaker 1: scrunch it back up to give the definition. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Also with the products, you can add a little bit
Speaker 1: of water just to really refresh and enhance the curls,
Speaker 1: because on day two, water is a great way, Like
Speaker 1: it's an easy and effective way. Water goes a long
Speaker 1: way more than you think. So even sometimes if you
Speaker 1: don't have a product available on you, even if you
Speaker 1: just do the same technique like pancake it down with
Speaker 1: some water, then scrunch it back up like that still
Speaker 1: does go a long way. But don't be like me
Speaker 1: in high school terrified of having frizzy curls that in
Speaker 1: the lunch breaks, I would actually just wet my hair
Speaker 1: and then everyone would be like, is your hair Like,
Speaker 1: I can't win, Why is your hair frizzy? Why is
Speaker 1: it hair wet? Like? Okay, you don't fall into that
Speaker 1: struck exactly. So this is a really great product range.
Speaker 1: They have shampoo condition up, moose styling cream gel like
Speaker 1: anything you could possibly want, and it's super affordable and
Speaker 1: easy to get and we've tried them all and we
Speaker 1: love them all approved yep approved. There are also a
Speaker 1: few things you can invest into make your life easier
Speaker 1: to reduce frieze, and those are things like silk pillowcases,
Speaker 1: silk stonges, like keeping in a bonnet yeah, which we
Speaker 1: can't do because it's so uncomfortable rip it off every
Speaker 1: time I rip it off halfway through the Yeah, cheers
Speaker 1: to you if you can sleep with a bonnet on,
Speaker 1: because that's going to save you so much time in
Speaker 1: the morning restyling your hair. For me, it's just so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: It always ends up on the floor. I don't even
Speaker 1: know how, but yeah, like I don't remember rapping it
Speaker 1: off yet. I wake up and it's like halfway across
Speaker 1: the room. It's hanging on my windowurently. But yeah, these
Speaker 1: are really really great things that you can just implement
Speaker 1: into your curl routine just to help reduce a little
Speaker 1: bit of frieze and make your curls more manageable. A
Speaker 1: new product that I've been loving to use to refresh
Speaker 1: my hair is the trust My Argan oil range and
Speaker 1: specifically the step number three, which is their curl cream.
Speaker 1: And I actually started using this when we stayed at
Speaker 1: the Evolo together and to refresh our hair for the event.
Speaker 1: Like I've never seen my hair look that good. We
Speaker 1: were going to a trust My event because they were
Speaker 1: launching this really cool initiative in the Avolo Hotel where
Speaker 1: you can have like your own personalized hair menu designed
Speaker 1: for you for free whenever you say the Evolo, which
Speaker 1: is so innovative and different, especially for curly girls, like
Speaker 1: who goes to a hotel and has a curly range
Speaker 1: available exactly, It's unheard of. When we got it delivered,
Speaker 1: it immediately became one of my favorite curl creams and
Speaker 1: I use it all the time now because it's very
Speaker 1: light and fluffy and gives you a beautiful, shining definition
Speaker 1: to it, and I feel like I don't have to
Speaker 1: add water to this product. You can use it dry
Speaker 1: and you can just use it on dry hair because
Speaker 1: it's lighter than the John Frieda one. Yeah, it's there's
Speaker 1: such a great range and if you are interested in
Speaker 1: you know saying on budget, the range actually doesn't have
Speaker 1: silicones or sulfate, So if that's something you're worried about
Speaker 1: in your curly hairyutine, you don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 1: A lot of drugstore curly hair brands have these products, like,
Speaker 1: they have these ingredients, they're available. Yeah, they have harsh
Speaker 1: well know, a lot of the drugstore brands have harsh sulfates,
Speaker 1: harsh silicones, and harsh alcohols in their curly hair products.
Speaker 1: But Tresame doesn't. So is lovely, which is really really great,
Speaker 1: especially if you do follow the curly Girl movement method. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So just remember in terms of FRIZ, it's something that
Speaker 1: you're going to have to accept and love and it
Speaker 1: does add to the overall effect of having beautiful, big,
Speaker 1: curly hair. Yeah exactly. Thank you for joining us today
Speaker 1: on Skinfluence. If you're interested in any of the products
Speaker 1: mentioned in today's episode, there are links available in the
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