Speaker 1: Hey, beauties, It's Jamie Joe and Jesse Massou and welcome
Speaker 1: to Skinfluence, a podcast dedicated to beauty, fashion and self love.
Speaker 2: Turning your weakness into your uniqueness.
Speaker 3: Before we get started, we'd like to acknowledge the custodians
Speaker 3: of the land on which we record the Gadigil people
Speaker 3: of the or nation.
Speaker 1: In today's episode, we are tackling our most asked questions
Speaker 1: about curly hair, and it's all going to be about
Speaker 1: how to grow out your curly hair and how to
Speaker 1: deal with frizz.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it. So hair growth.
Speaker 3: This is literally our biggest asked question because we both
Speaker 3: do have quite long curls and Michaels have been through
Speaker 3: many different stages. I've had the short curls, I've had,
Speaker 3: you know, a fringe, I've had very round curls, and
Speaker 3: now I've got long mermaid curls and this is actually
Speaker 3: my favorite stage of my hair.
Speaker 1: Same and I think we kind of go through these
Speaker 1: stages together, like which is so cute. And our followers
Speaker 1: have seen that, of course, and they are all asking
Speaker 1: the question how do you go out your curls?
Speaker 2: And this can be a.
Speaker 1: Little bit tough to answer, because it's not just one
Speaker 1: miracle thing that we can say this is going to
Speaker 1: work for you, because, like we always like to say,
Speaker 1: hair is really like individual and there are so many
Speaker 1: different curl types, right, so.
Speaker 2: What we might do might not work for you.
Speaker 1: But we have seen these things test and tried amongst
Speaker 1: a wide group of people, and these things like together
Speaker 1: are always going to help stimulate hair growth.
Speaker 2: I think we have a few pretty fool proof methods.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 3: The only thing that could be getting in the way
Speaker 3: of hair growth is your hormones, So that could be
Speaker 3: something separately that you have to check out. But in
Speaker 3: terms of if you're doing all these things together, as
Speaker 3: Jesse said.
Speaker 2: You are going to see results.
Speaker 3: So just stay stick with us because we've got some
Speaker 3: really really great stuff to tell you about how to
Speaker 3: grow out those curls.
Speaker 2: All right, let's hop right into them.
Speaker 1: The first one we're going to talk about is rosemary water.
Speaker 1: I'm sure most of you would have seen online a
Speaker 1: big sort of craze that started about rose mary oil
Speaker 1: versus rosemary water. As I saw this craze come up
Speaker 1: about rosemary water, I guess I had really short hair
Speaker 1: at the time I was dealing with hormone issues and
Speaker 1: I just did like the big chop, thinking that was
Speaker 1: going to save my curly.
Speaker 2: We both did.
Speaker 3: I don't know what we decided to do, but before
Speaker 3: our Italian summer in twenty twenty two, we thought, why
Speaker 3: why not just chop out curls off?
Speaker 2: Why would we do that?
Speaker 1: Like, I think we were both going through the works
Speaker 1: with our curls. Yeah, our curl pattern had changed and
Speaker 1: like they just sort of lost a bit of life.
Speaker 1: So we thought that if we cut our hair we'd
Speaker 1: get the life and the bounce and the curls back.
Speaker 2: But it just actually was for a solution.
Speaker 1: So maybe even take that as a sign to not
Speaker 1: think that cutting your hair is always the option.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like I said, I was going through the works.
Speaker 1: I heard so much about rosemary oil online actually, and
Speaker 1: I really really wanted to try it, but honestly, I
Speaker 1: was afraid about putting oil into my curly hair. It's
Speaker 1: something that you hear a lot of mixed sort of
Speaker 1: reviews about. Well.
Speaker 3: Not only that, I think our experience with oil in
Speaker 3: general is that it doesn't actually do many good things
Speaker 3: for our curls. Me personally, I never use oil on
Speaker 3: my hair unless it's just a little bit if I
Speaker 3: have dead ends, so just on the very ends of
Speaker 3: my curls. I don't like using oil throughout my hair
Speaker 3: to refresh because it makes.
Speaker 1: It oily, droopy, frizzy like all of the aboves.
Speaker 3: So doing that doing rosemary oil wasn't really a good option,
Speaker 3: even though you'd heard so many good things about it.
Speaker 2: And then you came across rosemary.
Speaker 1: Well that was the thing I heard, just heard so
Speaker 1: many good things about it for straight hair. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I had seen amazing results for straight hair, but you
Speaker 1: don't see much about it for curly hair. So I
Speaker 1: kept doing my research and I looked into rosemary water.
Speaker 1: And this is something that you can actually make at home,
Speaker 1: which is I love a little bit of a DIY project,
Speaker 1: you really and it's easy. You can just go down
Speaker 1: to your local supermarket buy some rosemary, and then the
Speaker 1: process is you boil the rosemary in water with cloves
Speaker 1: until the water starts bubbling, and then you actually turn
Speaker 1: off the heat and then you leave it in the
Speaker 1: pot with the lid on for twenty minutes and then
Speaker 1: you just pour it out and it's ready to use.
Speaker 1: You can freeze it and then let it defrust and
Speaker 1: use it throughout the week.
Speaker 2: So how would you use it? So how I used it?
Speaker 1: I would put it in a spray bottle, yep, spray
Speaker 1: all over my scalp, mainly focus in the scalp, and
Speaker 1: then whatever. Once that was like fully drenched, I'd try
Speaker 1: and like wet the rest of my hair, and then
Speaker 1: I would use a scalp massage to rub it in
Speaker 1: and stimulate blood flow to the scalp so that it sort.
Speaker 2: Of activates in a way.
Speaker 1: These two go hand in hand because using a scout
Speaker 1: massage and the rosemary water is both targeting hair growth.
Speaker 3: Did you see any results after you were using this?
Speaker 3: How long did you actually use it for?
Speaker 1: I used this consistently for four months. I started doing
Speaker 1: it in my UNI break because I knew I could.
Speaker 2: Be consistent with it then.
Speaker 1: And the results I saw from it wasn't necessarily just
Speaker 1: hair growth, to be honest, like length, I didn't see
Speaker 1: just length, but I did see density change, and that's
Speaker 1: something that I was struggling a lot with pcos I
Speaker 1: felt like my hair was really gappy, thin and thin,
Speaker 1: and it was like straggling and I was just losing
Speaker 1: a lot of hair, so I think it helped me
Speaker 1: stop losing more hair.
Speaker 2: And it made my scalp less irritable.
Speaker 1: I could go longer between my wash days, and it
Speaker 1: honestly kind of helped me with my dandriff, which is
Speaker 1: really random, but these were the changes that I saw
Speaker 1: in response to rosemary water, so it was all positive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: positive changes that do help lead to length.
Speaker 3: If you're really serious about hair growth, rosemary water is
Speaker 3: such a good option because it's cheap. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: almost essentially free if you grow your own rosemary or
Speaker 3: if you know anybody who does, and it does actually
Speaker 3: get you the results that you want without keeping your
Speaker 3: hair oily.
Speaker 2: So rosemary oil maybe is better.
Speaker 3: For straight hair, but I don't think necessarily it's the
Speaker 3: way to go for thinner density curls. If you have thick, textured,
Speaker 3: coily hair, this would be a great, great option for you.
Speaker 1: For us, rosemary water, you know, just had great results, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have nothing by trying it right.
Speaker 3: Another quick thing to slide in before we get to
Speaker 3: some product rex is having a protein heavy diet. This
Speaker 3: is just something that you can do for yourself whilst
Speaker 3: you are eating and preparing your food.
Speaker 2: Having a lot of protein in your diet is going
Speaker 2: to make.
Speaker 3: Sure that you are keeping good hair density and healthy
Speaker 3: hair and it just goes hand in hand with women's
Speaker 3: health and women's hormones. So that's something for Jesse, especially
Speaker 3: as a pcos curly, that she needs to just focus on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, always just upping the protein.
Speaker 1: And we talked about it in a previous episode about bone.
Speaker 2: Broth and collagen.
Speaker 1: Yep, you know collagen help spruce hair skin and they
Speaker 1: also those things go hand in hand and you can
Speaker 1: listen to it on that episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Okay, So this is my favorite
Speaker 3: hack for really growing your curls. And this is not
Speaker 3: spoken about enough, and it is so easy and it
Speaker 3: is so cheap because it's just a one time purchase,
Speaker 3: so by yourself a scalp massager. I honestly cannot recommend
Speaker 3: it enough. I've used a few different brands and the
Speaker 3: one from a Vader is actually my favorite. So it's
Speaker 3: called the Scalp Solutions scalp Massager. It is fifty eight dollars.
Speaker 3: But again, it's just.
Speaker 2: A one time purchase.
Speaker 3: It's not a product that you're going to run out
Speaker 3: of and you can grab that from Mecha. So what
Speaker 3: you do with a scout massage, you can use it
Speaker 3: in a few different ways, and Jesse mentioned it in
Speaker 3: one way, you can use it paired with your rosemary
Speaker 3: water or oil or whatever you're using. Yeah, because this
Speaker 3: is really great at stimulating the scalp. It looks like
Speaker 3: just this little thing that you hold in your hand
Speaker 3: with poky little prongs and essentially its massages your scalp.
Speaker 3: What I like to do is I like to go
Speaker 3: in different sections across the top of my head and
Speaker 3: then all the way around and literally just getting every
Speaker 3: part of my scalp and really massaging your head with
Speaker 3: a scout massage. What it does is stimulate the hair
Speaker 3: folly cool. It also is going to break up any
Speaker 3: products build up that you have on your scalp, and
Speaker 3: product build up can really get in the way it.
Speaker 2: Holds hair growth. Yeah, it can really.
Speaker 3: Get in the way of just a good healthy hair
Speaker 3: environment for your scalp. Scalp care is so important.
Speaker 1: And I think people don't realize how much product build
Speaker 1: up they can be having, especially with curly hair, because
Speaker 1: you're using a.
Speaker 2: Lot of different products.
Speaker 1: So sort of tame your curls and get them looking
Speaker 1: really really good. So you've got creams, gels, mooses, hair
Speaker 1: sprays like that creates up a lot of build up
Speaker 1: which is definitely affecting your hair growth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so really getting rid of that product build up
Speaker 3: with a Scout massage is going to be so beneficial.
Speaker 3: And using a Scout massage twice a week to stimulate
Speaker 3: the hair follicles is going to be so good in
Speaker 3: just promoting hair growth and length. Yeah. People ask me like,
Speaker 3: how did you go your hair so quickly because they
Speaker 3: saw me with short hair not so long ago and
Speaker 3: now it's almost down to my waist. It is using
Speaker 3: a Scout massage twice weekly. It is so beneficial. I
Speaker 3: cannot recommend it enough. And then when you pair it
Speaker 3: with a product for the scalp, it's just going to
Speaker 3: boost all the effects and just really really promote healthy hair.
Speaker 1: And the product that I love to use is the
Speaker 1: Dircose by Vichy Anti Jeranda shampoo. It's twenty six dollars.
Speaker 1: It's from chemist to warehouse and this isn't a product
Speaker 1: that has been marketed towards just curly hair, but this
Speaker 1: product is amazing for reducing product built up. And if
Speaker 1: you have curly hair and you have dandriff and you
Speaker 1: have an irritable, itchy scalp, this has made the biggest.
Speaker 2: Change in my hair.
Speaker 1: This is a really good balancing product that I like
Speaker 1: to use in replace of like a no pooh shampoo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is one thing that you guys have to
Speaker 3: cut out as curly girls. Stop no pooing, because if
Speaker 3: you don't know what that is, no poo is basically
Speaker 3: like it's like cleansing your hair without actually cleaning it.
Speaker 3: Shampoo is designed to clean the scalp, to get rid
Speaker 3: of product build up, and just to actually make the
Speaker 3: hair clean. If you are, as a curly girl not
Speaker 3: doing that because you think it's better for your curls,
Speaker 3: you are soally mistaken. You might be self sabotage, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you really are. And your hair growth, Yeah, you're getting
Speaker 3: in the way of like healthy hair growth. So using
Speaker 3: the scap massage with rosemary water or the anti dandriff
Speaker 3: shampoo is going to just double the benefits and the effects. Now,
Speaker 3: my favorite product is a scalp scrub, and I almost
Speaker 3: completely have ditched shampoo. I use it every now and then,
Speaker 3: but I use a scalp scrub in the shower every
Speaker 3: single time I wash my hair.
Speaker 2: It's just so much more beneficial for me.
Speaker 3: And the one that I love is the krystof Robin
Speaker 3: Sea Salts. Wow, what a tongue to a shop. It's
Speaker 3: the christof rubin sea salt scalp scrub.
Speaker 2: That a handful cheese.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is seventy two dollars, so it's quite expensive,
Speaker 3: but this is a big tub, so it's actually going
Speaker 3: to last you quite a while. And a little bit
Speaker 3: goes a long way because the texture of the product
Speaker 3: is actually like crystallized sea salt. However, when you scoop
Speaker 3: it out onto your hand, it looks like that sea
Speaker 3: salt crystallized product. But then when you add a little
Speaker 3: bit of water, it starts to emulsify and it actually
Speaker 3: goes a really long way. So you only need like
Speaker 3: a small coin sized amount of this, and this effectively
Speaker 3: cleans my hair like no tomorrow, as in my hair
Speaker 3: is squeaky squeaky clean if I like the.
Speaker 1: Feeling of it being squeaky clean. Though I know product
Speaker 1: yeah before when my scalp used to get super irritated.
Speaker 1: I might try it again soon though, because I don't
Speaker 1: have that issue anymore, but when I used to try,
Speaker 1: I did find that it irritated my hair. So maybe
Speaker 1: if you have already in sensitive scalp and it's in
Speaker 1: an irritable mode already, maybe don't try it just yet.
Speaker 1: But if you have a healthy scalp, like Jamie's saying,
Speaker 1: like this will go a long way.
Speaker 2: To like really clean it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, in terms of hair growth, there are so
Speaker 3: many things you can do, but these are our top recommendations.
Speaker 3: Just to go over them again and just give you
Speaker 3: all quick run down to refresh yourself.
Speaker 1: You've got rosemary water, a high protein diet, scalp massaging,
Speaker 1: the right shampoo or scalp scrub. Yeah. Now we're getting
Speaker 1: into another big thing that everyone wants to know how
Speaker 1: to reduce, and it's bruized.
Speaker 3: Yes, and this is it's a hard topic because frizze
Speaker 3: is such a beautiful part of curls.
Speaker 2: It's just naturally.
Speaker 1: I think it's just an inherent thing that you have
Speaker 1: when you have curly hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not something that you're going to be able
Speaker 3: to completely get rid of, especially if you like voluminous, big.
Speaker 1: Curl, fluffy curl, yeah, which we both do. I think
Speaker 1: a better way to think about it is fluffy and
Speaker 1: movable and like lived in.
Speaker 2: Lived in.
Speaker 3: That's right, Like if you look at our hair from
Speaker 3: day to day, there's maybe only a few hours that
Speaker 3: our hair doesn't have any frizz, And that's just the
Speaker 3: reality of having curls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I always like to think about
Speaker 1: curls in the sun and when it's got that little
Speaker 1: bit of like fluffy frizzy texture to it, the sun
Speaker 1: hits really lovely on it and it kind of like shines.
Speaker 1: So I like to think of it in that way,
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's a bad thing. But at
Speaker 1: the beginning of your wash, I think you do want
Speaker 1: your first results to have minimal frieze so that like
Speaker 1: as you progress, your hair lasts longer throughout the week.
Speaker 3: Of course, like if you live in a humid environment,
Speaker 3: frieze can be like a very big issue because it's
Speaker 3: not just a nice little bit of frizze that we're
Speaker 3: talking about. It could like overtake your hair. You could
Speaker 3: have absolutely no definition at all. So we do have
Speaker 3: some recommendations, and these are products that we have been
Speaker 3: using for a very long time.
Speaker 1: Like since day one Silly Hair day.
Speaker 3: One, which is like almost six years ago, because they
Speaker 3: are great at combating frizz and actually.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the John Frieda Dream Curls Frizzease
Speaker 1: range and you can literally get this at any drug
Speaker 1: store near you, Price line, Chemist ware House. I think
Speaker 1: they even have it, like yeah, Willies, yeah, Willis and
Speaker 1: Calls and especially the Secret Weapon finishing cream.
Speaker 2: And it's super affordable. Their products range from ten to
Speaker 2: twenty dollars.
Speaker 1: Well, you can just catch a sale to exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love products that you can You're always going to
Speaker 1: find these on sale.
Speaker 2: The Secret Weapon Finishing Cream.
Speaker 1: I love to use that when I'm refreshing my hair,
Speaker 1: like the next day, day two, in the morning, I'll
Speaker 1: put it in my hair, and honestly, that seems to
Speaker 1: target the frizz on for my Day two curls exactly,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna mainly see frizz on day two, day three.
Speaker 3: What do you want to do with this product? Is
Speaker 3: you just want to squeeze a p size amount into
Speaker 3: your hand.
Speaker 2: Super small amount. Yeah, you don't need a lot.
Speaker 3: It's quite thick actually, and you want to rub it
Speaker 3: to a mulsify so just rub it between your fingers
Speaker 3: and then you want to scrunch it in. Don't drag
Speaker 3: the product through the hair. This can create I know,
Speaker 3: just like very soggy looking hair.
Speaker 1: Well I I was about to save the opposite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you mean, Well, I like to like put
Speaker 1: it like this and then scrutch. Okay, yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: because if you just start scrunching, you're just scrunching over
Speaker 1: the frieze.
Speaker 2: Well that's a pancake technique.
Speaker 3: So you want to pancake over the hair and then scrunch,
Speaker 3: but you don't want to run your fingers through your curl.
Speaker 1: No, never, that would be terrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So pancake it over to seal in that frieze
Speaker 3: and then you can.
Speaker 1: Then scrunch it back up to give the definition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Also with the products, you can add a little bit
Speaker 3: of water just to really refresh and enhance the curls,
Speaker 3: because on day two, water is a great way, Like
Speaker 3: it's an easy and effective way.
Speaker 1: Water goes a long way more than you think. So
Speaker 1: even sometimes if you don't have a product available on you,
Speaker 1: even if you just do the same technique like pancake
Speaker 1: it down with some water then scrunch it back up
Speaker 1: like that still does go a long way.
Speaker 3: But don't be like me in high school terrified of
Speaker 3: having frizzy curls that in the lunch breaks, I would
Speaker 3: actually just wet my hair and then everyone would be like,
Speaker 3: is your hair Like, I can't win, Why is your
Speaker 3: hair frizzy?
Speaker 2: Why is it hair wet?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Okay, you don't fall into that struck exactly.
Speaker 2: So this is a really great product range.
Speaker 3: They have shampoo condition up, moose styling cream gel like
Speaker 3: anything you could possibly want, and it's super affordable and
Speaker 3: easy to get and we've tried them all and we
Speaker 3: love them all approved yep approved. There are also a
Speaker 3: few things you can invest into make your life easier
Speaker 3: to reduce frieze, and those are things like silk pillowcases,
Speaker 3: silk stonges, like keeping in a bonnet yeah, which we
Speaker 3: can't do because it's so uncomfortable rip it off every
Speaker 3: time I rip it off halfway through the Yeah, cheers
Speaker 3: to you if you can sleep with a bonnet on,
Speaker 3: because that's going to save you so much time in
Speaker 3: the morning restyling your hair. For me, it's just so uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: It always ends up on the floor. I don't even
Speaker 3: know how, but yeah, like I don't remember rapping it
Speaker 3: off yet. I wake up and it's like halfway across
Speaker 3: the room.
Speaker 2: It's hanging on my window. Aurently.
Speaker 3: But yeah, these are really really great things that you
Speaker 3: can just implement into your curl routine just to help
Speaker 3: reduce a little bit of frieze and make your curls
Speaker 3: more manageable.
Speaker 1: A new product that I've been loving to use to
Speaker 1: refresh my hair is the trust My Argan oil range
Speaker 1: and specifically the step number three, which is their curl Creamy.
Speaker 1: And I actually started using this when we stayed at
Speaker 1: the Evolo together and to refresh our hair for the event.
Speaker 1: Like I've never seen my hair look that good.
Speaker 3: We were going to a Trust My event because they
Speaker 3: were launching this really cool initiative in the Avolo Hotel
Speaker 3: where you can have like your own personalized hair menu designed.
Speaker 1: For you for free whenever you say the Evolo, which.
Speaker 3: Is so innovative and different, especially for curly girls, Like
Speaker 3: who goes to a hotel and has a curly range
Speaker 3: available exactly, It's unheard of. When we got it delivered,
Speaker 3: it immediately became one of my favorite curl creams and
Speaker 3: I use it all the time now because it's very
Speaker 3: light and fluffy and gives you a beautiful, shining definition.
Speaker 1: To it, and I feel like I don't have to
Speaker 1: add water to this product. You can use it dry
Speaker 1: and you can just use it on dry hair because
Speaker 1: it's lighter than the John Frieda one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's there's such a great range and if you
Speaker 3: are interested in you know saying on budget, the range
Speaker 3: actually doesn't have silicones or sulfate, So if that's something
Speaker 3: you're worried about in your curly hairyutine, you don't have
Speaker 3: to worry about it. A lot of drugstore curly hair
Speaker 3: brands have these products, like, they have these ingredients, they're available. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they have harsh well know, a lot of the drugstore
Speaker 3: brands have harsh sulfates, harsh silicones, and harsh alcohols in
Speaker 3: their curly hair products, but Tresame doesn't.
Speaker 1: So is lovely, which is really really great, especially if.
Speaker 2: You do follow the curly girl movement method. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So just remember in terms of friz, it's something that
Speaker 3: you're going to have to accept and love and it
Speaker 3: does add to the overall effect of having.
Speaker 2: Beautiful, big, curly hair.
Speaker 1: Yes exactly. Thank you for joining us today on Skinfluence.
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