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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Andrea Kimi Antonelli beats Oscar Piastre to

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Speaker 1: victory at the Japanese Grand Prix on a big day

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Speaker 1: for the Italian and the steadying one for the Australian

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Speaker 1: and his McLaren team, and Maxistafan says his weighing up

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Speaker 1: his future in Formula One over the sports controversial twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six regulations. My name's Michael Lamonado. It's great to

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Speaker 1: have your company and the company of my co host.

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Speaker 1: If he was still sensitive about blowing the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five championship by crashing into George Russell the Spanish Grand Prix,

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Speaker 1: he certainly wouldn't be constantly drawing attention to it. It's

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Speaker 1: Matt Payton.

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Speaker 2: If you mentioned this one more time, Michael, evicting you

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Speaker 2: if you were our own podcast or I'm just literally

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Speaker 2: putting the headphones down and leaving, how dare you? But no,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that I lost the championship at all

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Speaker 2: for a something of my own doing. But please don't

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Speaker 2: ever mention it again. But yeah, that was one of

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Speaker 2: the more bizarre side plots. Of the Suzuka weekend that

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Speaker 2: we probably won't talk about on this podcast, but if

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Speaker 2: you understand what we're saying, I'm sure you've consumed it already.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's just an odd weekend all round. I think

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Speaker 1: in Japan we will get to max for staffing more generally,

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Speaker 1: though a little bit later on in the podcast, because

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Speaker 1: certainly his comments from a pretty miserable weekend all round,

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say were a bit of opinion.

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Speaker 1: We've got to start, of course, with the results in Suzuka.

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Speaker 1: Another win for Andrea Kimi Antonali, who now leads the

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Speaker 1: Formula One World Championship. At just nineteen years old, is

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Speaker 1: the youngest points leader in Formula one history, eclipsing Lewis

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Speaker 1: Hamilton in two thousand and seven. My favorite stat though, Matt,

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Speaker 1: maybe we should make it a segment favorite stat of

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Speaker 1: the week. First Italian to win successive Grand Prix since

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three Albero history.

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Speaker 2: That right, Wow, that is a stat. Now, I hadn't

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Speaker 2: I hadn't seen that one. But now that you put

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Speaker 2: it that way, now you think about all of the

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Speaker 2: other Italians that have been through in that time, I

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Speaker 2: would have thought that you might have had a Mikaylee

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Speaker 2: Alboretoquanella at some point or something. But yeah, wow, Riccardo

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Speaker 2: portrays you couldn't know. That's a that's an incredible stat.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Is pretty much the history of the championship, you know,

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Speaker 1: but three seasons pretty much it is the entire world

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Speaker 1: championship history that no Italian is. That is extraordinary worth

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Speaker 1: noting perhaps the side sidebar here that that was the

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Speaker 1: was his second championship actually for a scari that season,

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Speaker 1: but it led to the championship Italian races three quarters.

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Speaker 1: You go, and well, why don't I ask you if

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Speaker 1: you know this stab, because I always come from the

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Speaker 1: position that you know on the stands ready, but I'm

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Speaker 1: this one. I gave you an easier one last Italian

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Speaker 1: to lead the Formula one World Championship and when truly

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Speaker 1: perhaps good guess but no it was La in two

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Speaker 1: thousand after winning the Australian Grand Prix.

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Speaker 2: Yes of course he did. Yeah, yeah, very good season. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the the one of the short lived races where we

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Speaker 2: should go, that should go with the bid, very very so.

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Speaker 2: After he won that race. But yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: So it's been twenty one years.

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Speaker 1: Incredible, less exciting sidebar on that stat physicala retired from

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Speaker 1: the next three Grand Prix in succession. So yeah, what

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Speaker 1: Antonelli would like to follow, I think between a Sky Jessickella.

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Speaker 1: But he won the race, won it pretty comfortable in

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Speaker 1: the end, almost fourteen seconds ahead of Oscar Piastri. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about Oscar Piastri in just a second, because a

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Speaker 1: great weekend. Wow. In context, I guess a great weekend

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Speaker 1: for him and McLaren, but another win for Mercedes, but

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Speaker 1: not a win for George Russell. In fact, not a

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Speaker 1: great weekend for George Russell, a weekend in which I

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Speaker 1: think Antonelli really had Russell's measure. Yes, there was some

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Speaker 1: You know, we are very early in the season. There

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Speaker 1: Antonelli's side this weekend as well, because goodwell of being

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Speaker 1: Outa getting the first win to him really knuckling down

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Speaker 1: in a McLaren Dynamic Mercedes Dynamic. There was meant to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. And I was thinking about

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Speaker 2: them is. Because the narrative with Antonelli, every time we

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Speaker 2: I'd go as far as almost saying I'm slightly sitting

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Speaker 2: so different this year that I wonder if that mitigates

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Speaker 2: so you look at it in the context of, yes,

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Speaker 2: You look at Maxfstappad a couple of years ago, they did

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Speaker 2: because if Mercedes is going to keep this advantage for

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Speaker 2: that's going to be Russell's time to shine and Antonelli

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Speaker 2: Suzuka is not the perhaps not the challenge that it was,

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Speaker 2: But to go there and to comprehensively have his teammates

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right, And I think that that is

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Speaker 1: we can equally say that and that was the biggest margin.

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Speaker 1: Obviously it was Russell's big bludget over him because it

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Speaker 1: It's funny how normal and how quickly that's felt normal.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's it. That is indicative, and that

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Speaker 2: Well, it's taken all of two weeks for us not

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Speaker 2: Whereas if you turn around and said, well, how many

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Speaker 2: there's twenty two races this year. If Kimmy Antonelli won

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Speaker 1: I definitely not any more now that he's got it done.

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Speaker 1: And I think we talked about this after China there's

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Speaker 1: beginning to form the impression certainly that Russell is not

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Speaker 1: maybe then we can extrapolate this into a critique if

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Speaker 1: gets much more easily frustrated. Let's take the battle with

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Speaker 1: Piastre for an example. Now, the McLaren Carr was a

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Speaker 1: with theoretically the same tools at his disposal as far

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Speaker 1: as the engine is concerned, whereas antonally, okay, he also

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Speaker 1: Overtaking is not as easy as we've made it out

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Speaker 1: he's having those same random battery problems in qualifying or

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many of them were genuine. That's

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Speaker 2: another discussion I'd like to have because obviously, with you

433
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Speaker 2: being on the ground this week and you didn't get

434
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Speaker 2: to consume the sport via your television like the rest

435
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Speaker 2: of us did here, that's another story. We might get

436
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Speaker 2: into that a little in a minute. But Move of

437
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Speaker 2: the Week, I mean I think we had Charlie Clair

438
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Speaker 2: and Lewis Hamilton for Mover of the Week last year

439
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,840
Speaker 2: last week as well, didn't we But the Leclere pass

440
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Speaker 2: around the outside into turn one, which is over you

441
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 2: know you obviously knows Zu Grider really really well. That

442
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Speaker 2: is not a passing spot for most people. It's an

443
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Speaker 2: incredibly fast entry to that court. And just asked Jack

444
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Speaker 2: doing last year, I think it was lap forty one

445
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Speaker 2: or forty two, Charlotte Clair did something that not many

446
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Speaker 2: drivers would do. And also credit to the fact that

447
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 2: you don't have to know who you're racing against two right,

448
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 2: So knowing that Lewis Hamilton's not going to do anything

449
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Speaker 2: outrageous there, But Ferrari on Ferrari racing has been some

450
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Speaker 2: of my favorite racing too far in twenty twenty six

451
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Speaker 2: because it feels like it's a fight with fewer asterisks

452
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Speaker 2: than many of the others that were seeing at the moment,

453
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Speaker 2: because you've got two good drivers in the same car,

454
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Speaker 2: so you're not talking about deployment and some such quite

455
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Speaker 2: as much. Thoroughly enjoyed it, and Charlotte Clair might be

456
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Speaker 2: getting a few Move of the Week gongs from me

457
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Speaker 2: this year because he's one of the best to do it.

458
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Speaker 2: But there were many, many other overtakes. Again, how many

459
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Speaker 2: of them were legitimate I don't know, but your vantage

460
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Speaker 2: point was better than mine. What was it that caught

461
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Speaker 2: your eye?

462
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Speaker 1: Yes, so I'm going for a little bit of a

463
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Speaker 1: backhand and overtake of the week which at last lead

464
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Speaker 1: us nicely into our next segment. I think it was

465
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Speaker 1: on the last lab. Was it the penultiate lab? I

466
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Speaker 1: should check this. Pierre gasly passing Max for Staffen for

467
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Speaker 1: seventh repassing really because with Staffan had only just got

468
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Speaker 1: ahead of him at the Chicane with I think what

469
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Speaker 1: for Staffan probably would have considered a more traditional pass

470
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Speaker 1: even if he had a bit of overspeed there. It

471
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Speaker 1: was into the chicane, which is usually one of the

472
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Speaker 1: key passing places. Then Ghasly had the extra battery at

473
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Speaker 1: that point to get out of the chicane and pass

474
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Speaker 1: him before the start finished line, which is quite close

475
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Speaker 1: to the exit of the chicane really, so it tells

476
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Speaker 1: you how much extra speed he had. I just thought, compounded,

477
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Speaker 1: what a miserable weekend for Max, for Red Bull Racing

478
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Speaker 1: as well. Not just Max, I mean the team was

479
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Speaker 1: no team was thoroughly in the midfield behind Lpede, as

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Speaker 1: this demonstrates just before we go into Max, because that

481
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Speaker 1: is where we're going to be taking this next I

482
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Speaker 1: should have applaud Pierre Gasly though I finished seventh. He'

483
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Speaker 1: he had a great time for an LPN team that

484
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Speaker 1: looks largely revitalized, but mostly in his hands because Franco

485
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Speaker 1: Colapindo did not have that great a weekend. Ghasly, though,

486
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Speaker 1: reveling in a car that he seems to be able

487
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Speaker 1: to get some thing out of at a track that is,

488
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Speaker 1: of course the track every driver loves, so he's doing

489
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Speaker 1: very well. Max Withstaffan Less.

490
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Speaker 2: So I know you like a stat and you flommocks

491
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Speaker 2: me with a couple earlier on in this episode, do

492
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Speaker 2: you realize that Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren on Sunday at Suzuka,

493
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Speaker 2: just in that one Grand Prix, each of them scored

494
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Speaker 2: more points and Red Bulls scored the entire season with

495
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Speaker 2: two drivers. So if you've want an idea of how

496
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Speaker 2: close to grim M'CLOCKTT is for Red Bull Racing right now?

497
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Speaker 2: The fact the fact that they are sixth in the

498
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Speaker 2: Constructors Championship, they're behind Hals and they're behind the Pierre

499
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Speaker 2: ghasly led Alpine in the Constructors Championship. When you've got

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Speaker 2: a four time world champion as one of your two drivers,

501
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 2: it does show you that, you know, I was talking before,

502
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Speaker 2: I jokingly said the big four and maybe at the

503
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Speaker 2: big three and a half, I think we probably should

504
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Speaker 2: just take the half off. It's a big three right

505
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Speaker 2: now and then a gaggle of everybody else, And right

506
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Speaker 2: now Red Bull is in the everybody else category, isn't it?

507
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Speaker 1: Yeah it really is. If you look at the average

508
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Speaker 1: fastest lap in qualifying and yeah Red Bull is fourth,

509
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Speaker 1: but only us ahead of LP and obviously he's racing

510
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Speaker 1: with LPE, so it has been all but a midfield

511
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Speaker 1: car in the last two rounds, and two is more

512
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Speaker 1: than one, So we've got to take that as the

513
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Speaker 1: more indicative level of performance than what we saw in Australia.

514
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Speaker 1: Feels more mystifying actually to look back in Australia where

515
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Speaker 1: the team looked relatively competitive.

516
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Speaker 2: That's the analysis that people listen to this podcast for

517
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Speaker 2: two is more than one. That's why that's why you're

518
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Speaker 2: all here.

519
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Speaker 1: I love a good stat that's a good one for you.

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Speaker 2: Two is more than fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Let's look at back to Staffan's less his weekend though,

522
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Speaker 1: and more what he's been saying, and he's been saying

523
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Speaker 1: this all year. He doesn't like these rules. Isn't having

524
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Speaker 1: a great time driving the cars? Is It's not related

525
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Speaker 1: to the competitiveness. I'm sure competitiveness is playing a small

526
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Speaker 1: element of it, but it isn't the main part. But

527
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Speaker 1: it's really this weekend where he's gone from hinting that well,

528
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Speaker 1: maybe just doesn't like these cars so much he could

529
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Speaker 1: be motivated to quit, to saying it pretty much explicitly

530
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Speaker 1: that he's weighing up his future at the end of

531
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Speaker 1: the year. This is all with an interview with the

532
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Speaker 1: BBC on Sunday Night got him clearly the ideal level

533
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Speaker 1: of vulnerability for him to Spilly's brain of what of

534
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: a bit of a phrase? These are some of the

535
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Speaker 1: quotes that really stood out to me. Matt, I try

536
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Speaker 1: to adapt to it, but it's not nice. The way

537
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Speaker 1: you have to race, it's really anti driving. Then at

538
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Speaker 1: one point it's just not what I want to do,

539
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Speaker 1: or how about this one. I want to be here

540
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Speaker 1: and have fun and have a great time and enjoying myself.

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Speaker 1: At the moment, that's not really the case. I'm trying.

542
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Speaker 1: I keep telling myself every day to try and enjoy it.

543
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Speaker 1: It's just very hard. I'm committing one hundred percent and

544
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Speaker 1: I'm still trying. But the way that I'm telling myself

545
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Speaker 1: to give it one hundred percent, I think is not

546
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Speaker 1: very healthy at the moment because I'm not enjoying what

547
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Speaker 1: I'm doing. He's not having fun. At bottom lines, he's

548
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Speaker 1: not enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting to me is that you you know, we

550
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Speaker 2: were discussing this a bit off air before. You know,

551
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Speaker 2: drivers will have perspectives on things where I'm not happy

552
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Speaker 2: about this. I'm not happy about that, and it's being

553
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Speaker 2: done for political reasons or to create a scene, or

554
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Speaker 2: to deflect or whatever it might be. I'm sure you know,

555
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: given truth serum, if anyone's got any around, I'm sure

556
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Speaker 2: that Verstappan's preference would be I'd like them to fix

557
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: or tweak the rules, to turn this into something more

558
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Speaker 2: resembling the Formula One that I know and love and

559
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: have been successful at, and then I would like to stay.

560
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Speaker 2: But by the same token, if not much changes or

561
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Speaker 2: nothing changes, I don't think the prospect of him walking

562
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Speaker 2: away necessarily is an empty threat simply because he can.

563
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Speaker 2: I've written this multiple times with Verstappen. You can like him,

564
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Speaker 2: you can low them. However you take your max Forstappen

565
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: is up to you. But one thing I've always appreciated

566
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Speaker 2: with him is there is a degree of authenticity there.

567
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Speaker 2: And maybe it's a cultural thing, maybe that's just the

568
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Speaker 2: way he is individually, but he will generally he means

569
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Speaker 2: what he says, and in a sport like Formula One,

570
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 2: that is a very very rare thing. And other drivers

571
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Speaker 2: might say, well, if I don't like this, and I'm

572
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Speaker 2: just going to walk away if things don't change. Most

573
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Speaker 2: of them, you're sort of shrug his shoulders and go, yeah, sure,

574
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Speaker 2: where's the next paycheck? And you know they can't get

575
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Speaker 2: off the they can't get off the treadmill. If Maxivstappen decided tomorrow,

576
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Speaker 2: it's like, you know, if they're not going to change

577
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Speaker 2: you thing for twenty seven, I think I'll just sit

578
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Speaker 2: out for a year and then be the most highly

579
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Speaker 2: coveted free agent of all time once I've broken my contract,

580
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Speaker 2: and maybe I'll come back. I could absolutely see him

581
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Speaker 2: doing that, and he might be the only person on

582
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Speaker 2: the grid I could see doing something like that. So

583
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Speaker 2: I don't think we should be taking these sorts of

584
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Speaker 2: discussions as being some sort of emotional empty threat. He

585
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Speaker 2: can be. Emotionless is not quite the right word. I

586
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Speaker 2: think you know where I'm coming with this. He's a

587
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Speaker 2: pragmatist right at the end of the day. I don't

588
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: think he's someone who's going to let the emotions necessarily

589
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Speaker 2: drive the narrative, unlike a lot of other very good

590
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Speaker 2: top wine drivers. I'm not saying that that's bad that

591
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: other people do it that way, But when Verstappen says

592
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Speaker 2: something like this. To me, it carries more weight than

593
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Speaker 2: perhaps any other driver on the grid if they were

594
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Speaker 2: to say something similar.

595
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not politics first with Max Lea's not

596
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Speaker 1: post championship. Max think it's fair to say it is

597
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: genuine opinion first, and then of course, if there's an

598
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: angle for him, he's going to play into that. But

599
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: he's been so clear about this that he's been clear

600
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Speaker 1: for more than more than just this season, dating back

601
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Speaker 1: to last year, that these cars he done not like,

602
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: and he's been clear for years that he's only here

603
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: to enjoy himself. Really, the first championship was what he wanted,

604
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: and everything after that is a bonus. Has been pretty

605
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: steadfast in that opinion. I'm sure more championships would ease

606
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: the pain a little bit, but maybe not even enough

607
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 1: for him to want to stick around. You know, it's

608
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: totally hypothetical, but it's clear that he has serious distaste

609
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: for these cars discussed. Even for these cars, he's already

610
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: approaching the end of his contract anyway, he'll have two

611
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: years after the end of this season, so not super close,

612
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: but close enough perhaps in the mind of someone who's

613
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: always said he's here for a good time, and not

614
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: a long time in Formula one. It's clear he's getting

615
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: a lot of satisfaction from GT three racing at the

616
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: nordch Slipher, both owning it or running it or owning

617
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: his team really and competing himself. It's completely believable, and

618
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: that's clearly going to be a plank of his post

619
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Speaker 1: F one career whenever, that is, if it's next year,

620
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: in subsequent years. So it's not as if and I

621
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: think in fact he said this as well. You know,

622
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: no one needs to worry about him. He knows what

623
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: he's going to do next, like he's happy with where

624
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: he is, So it's totally believable that would be the case.

625
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: I think it's probably worth adding that if a driver

626
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: gets to the point where they don't feel like if

627
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: one is essential to them, a driver of his age

628
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: and in the peak of his powers, not a driver

629
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: is obviously approaching retirement age, it's a different equation, and

630
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: then has motivation to other motivations to leave. There's no

631
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: reason that they will stay right Like he's got a

632
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: racing program, it's got a young kid at home one

633
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: year cover of how old you know he's his family

634
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: man now He's got plenty of other things going on

635
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: in his life. The formulized Sason is very long. Twenty

636
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: four rounds usually is a full year commitment. Doesn't leave

637
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: a lot of time for other stuff. If it's no

638
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: longer giving him enjoyment, then I think you're right. I

639
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: think there's no reason to think this is anything other

640
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: than genuine commentary for him, that he could be out

641
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: by the end of the year.

642
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: Well, and you mentioned the fact that, you know, the

643
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: first championship fairly or unfairly because he wasn't exactly the

644
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: person making the decisions, that first championships always going to

645
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: be remembered for slightly the wrong reason because it's the

646
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: way that it played out at the end. But I

647
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: think what he's done in the years since, I mean,

648
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: you had twenty three where they absolutely dominated. We talked

649
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: about this last year. I still think last year was

650
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: the best he's ever driven. Despite not winning the championship

651
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: last year, I think the second half of last season

652
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: he was doing things that very few people in Formula

653
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: one history have been able to do. And so there's

654
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: the satisfaction with him that it was interesting, wasn't it

655
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: After abydaw last year where he was oddly satisfied, not happy, obviously,

656
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: but content and satisfied with what he had done despite

657
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: losing that championship by two points. And that to me

658
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: was like, that's not a conversation you could have imagined

659
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: having with him when he was younger. But he still

660
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 2: is a young man in life terms. He's been in

661
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: this for a very very long time now. Winning one

662
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: championship was the goal. He said that repeatedly. The fact

663
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 2: that he's got four of them and has picked up

664
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: the records and the money along the way. I don't

665
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: think those things drive him as much as maybe they

666
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: drive other drivers. And at the end of the day,

667
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: if he wants to raise something and have fun with it,

668
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: and then there's other ways to do that. If Formula

669
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: one isn't seen in his bit as being the absolute

670
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: pinnacle of what he can do. And he's had his

671
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: misgivings about these rules long before they were actually in place,

672
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: and a lot of the things that he said about

673
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: them have actually come home to roost, don't they.

674
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's worth picking up what you

675
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: said there. You know, he's a young man still, but

676
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: he's been racing for more than a decade now twenty fifteen.

677
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: But he's not young and experience. He's been here for

678
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: a long time already, long as long as many drivers

679
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: would have ever been in formula and including some champions

680
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: and most of those years he has been winning. There's

681
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: nothing to prove from that perspective. But I think the

682
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: age is an interesting other hourn and this is now

683
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 1: purely speculative. I'm not sure if there's something you can

684
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: be thinking about at all. But he's young enough to

685
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: go away and see what happens and then decide if

686
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: he wants to come back. He's young enough to actually

687
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: take a sabbatical. I mean Fernando Alonzo took one, he

688
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: was in his late thirties. He's a bit of a

689
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: different case, I think, comparing him to Max for Stafford.

690
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: But he's young enough to go and race GG three

691
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. Maybe. I don't know if

692
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: you'd go to the World Durance Samvaship whatever. Whatever he

693
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: wants to do, he could do anything. Every door will

694
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: be open to him, as Max for Stafford. And then

695
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: if the rules change, if it takes two years to

696
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: change the rules in a way that makes him happy,

697
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: or if it takes the full regulatory cycle of five seasons,

698
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: he'll still only be what he's twenty eight now, He's

699
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: going to be thirty three when these rules changed, which

700
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: some will consider to be the peak of his bows.

701
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: You know, the early thirties conventionally is when drivers are

702
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: at their best, notwithstanding their start so young. These days,

703
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: he really does have the luxury of literally every option

704
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: available to you.

705
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, which very very few drivers get to have. I'm

706
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: just looking at some stats here as you're talking. So

707
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: by the end of this season he'll be right on

708
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: the edge of the top ten for most Grand Prix

709
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: started ever. And yes, the seasons are much much longer

710
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: these days, but it does show you. By the end

711
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: of the season, assuming that he does the remaining nineteen rounds,

712
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: he will be doing live mats here, he will be

713
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: eleventh in the all time races started, two races behind

714
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: Daniel Ricardo about to fifty five. So there you go.

715
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: So and you know, it felt like Daniel had an

716
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: incredibly long Formula One career when you think how long

717
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: it was he was around. We still think of seventeen

718
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: year old backs debut again in Australia in twenty fifteen,

719
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: but you know the fact that he's been around this long,

720
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: that he's still twenty eight years old, then yeah, maybe

721
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: we shouldn't be surprised that this is the way that

722
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: someone of his experience thinks.

723
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: I think the other element of this, of course, is

724
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: the bigger picture of the regulations. I think, well, I

725
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: don't think the stappens ever out really to I don't

726
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: mean this is with no discredit to him, but he's

727
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: not always out for the greater good. As much as

728
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: he says that he's love of the sport. He wants

729
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: to he wants to himself, doesn't really care if he

730
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: leaves or Formulon would do. But I do think that

731
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: there is a degree here of him being a little

732
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: bit of a vector of driver dissatisfaction because the impression

733
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: I get and it has been muddy is a little

734
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: bit in the last couple of weeks, but that most

735
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: drivers don't love the rules. They might like some parts

736
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: of them, though this is the muddying parts. I think

737
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: the Ferrari drivers, when they say they like how they're

738
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: able to erase each other pretty much scrape each other's

739
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: cars every weekend, I think they do genuinely enjoy that

740
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: and that is that is the positive element of the rules,

741
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: but a lot of them have general mis giv about

742
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: the way the engines work. Particularly I don't think there's

743
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: a single driver likes qualifying. I'd be shocked if there were.

744
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't think any driver loves managing the engine. In fact,

745
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: Lewis Helmson also said this weekend, as positive as he

746
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: is about the racing, doesn't like the way he has

747
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: to use the engine. I think that's totally fair. Max

748
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: is probably the only driver maybe other than Lewis, and

749
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: Lewis perhaps just genuinely has a difference of opinion here.

750
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: Who can really just say what he wants the sport

751
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: can't corral him into giving it, towing a positive line

752
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: team I mean Red Bull Racing. If it is telling

753
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: him what to do, he clearly does not listen to them.

754
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: So that's its own separate thing in any aspect of

755
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: what he does. So there's almost a degree of at

756
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: least someone maybe in his mind, maybe in the minds

757
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 1: of other drivers more than his mind. At least someone

758
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: is really on the front foot with their criticism of

759
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: these rules to ensure that people know that drivers want

760
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: change and coming into a month when there will be

761
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: some crunch meetings about the regulations. Perhaps it is a

762
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: good thing that this has happened this week because maybe

763
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: that will well. While no one should ever suggested the

764
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: sports of changes rules purely because one driver might leave

765
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: if they don't as good as maxwistappen is, Min may

766
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: at least clarify minds a little bit about that the

767
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: challenge of making the drivers happy, which I still think

768
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: is an important element of the rule.

769
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: Well, at the end of the day, they've got to

770
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: be salespeople for this, right And you know, because of

771
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: his seniority and his success, he can be the voice

772
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: of the silent in some respects. Right, There's a lot

773
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: of guys that don't have that gravitas or the status

774
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 2: in the sport where they could say things. I'm sure

775
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: they think very similarly across a number of lines that

776
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 2: Max does, but they can't say that and he can.

777
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: And I mentioned that authenticity before. It's actually quite refreshing

778
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: to hear someone talk about this, because god knows, you're

779
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: not getting it on the lot of the broadcast right now.

780
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: And you know, you were there at Suzuka this weekend

781
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: and what you saw and what you can see if

782
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: you know where to look. With the way Formula One

783
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: is running right now, it's a different narrative than necessarily.

784
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: We're being fed through a lot of the through a

785
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: lot of the outlets that are feeding as Formula one content.

786
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: I'll be diplomatic for once and actually call it that.

787
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm sure one of the great things

788
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: about being at Suzuka with a media pass. I'm sure

789
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: you did this on the weekend. I haven't spoken to

790
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: you about this yet, so this is live. There is

791
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: a service road that runs down the inside of the

792
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: s's at Sector one at Suzuka, and it was always

793
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: a bit of a pilgrimage to head out there and

794
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: watch Formula one cars slak their way up the hill

795
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: when they're completely at full blast. It was one of

796
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: the great parts of the Formula One season. I'm assuming

797
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: you went out and had a look out there, and

798
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you were quite underwhelmed.

799
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a lot of I did some great

800
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: parts of the lab. Actually it was only I mean

801
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: the caveat it was only practice two, but you know,

802
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: there are qualifying simulation runs in practice too, so I

803
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: think it still counts. I was on through the s's.

804
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: I forget the numbers of the particular parts of the

805
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: s's near the top of them looking down the track.

806
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, notable that they just seemed less aggressive through there.

807
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: Some of that you have to acknowledge as well. Particularly

808
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: I think the first sector looking back at some of

809
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: the data, is just that these cars have so much

810
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: less downforce than the previous generation and it works in

811
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: a different way. And the ES's was where the ground

812
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: effects cars looked great, like we're in their element, and

813
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: these cars were. There's an element of that, but you

814
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: could also tell, you know, you would expect in that

815
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: case to see the cars get a little bit loose

816
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: through there, and most of them weren't because they were

817
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: not at one hundred percent of what they had, because

818
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: they couldn't be one hundred percent of what they had.

819
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: Then went up over for the first time actually since

820
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: I've been Tezuka went up to the crossover point. Yes,

821
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: Degna notably much less on the edge Degno one, Dignit

822
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: two was always you've got to be careful in FP

823
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: two hiting the bridge one notably, I was really because

824
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: again this is the first time i'd been up there,

825
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: despite having gone to the Japanese gon baver quite a

826
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: few times, really hoping to see some cars on those

827
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: qualifying stimulation laps, like pushing the boundaries at Digno one.

828
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: They absolutely were not. They were pretty much rolling through there.

829
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: And then you turn around and you look at one

830
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: thirty R and you hear, it's more about the engine note,

831
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: because they obviously still going very quickly through one thirty R,

832
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: not enough to be limited by grip, but then they

833
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: haven't really been for many years there anyway. But it's

834
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: the engine note that gives it away there, I think,

835
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: and the lack of how spectacular they look, which wasn'ticularly

836
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: because you and you see if you look down the

837
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: back straight, you do actually get a sense of how

838
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: fast these cars accelerate, because the acceleration is incredible, is

839
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: remarkable with these cars, and so all of a sudden

840
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: they just come over the horizon of the rise in

841
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: the middle end. They're coming at you so quickly, and

842
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: then the engine note just stagnates and it's almost like

843
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: they're rolling through one pint thirty hour, which was a

844
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: little bit disappointing, I guess, as I say, and as

845
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: the drivers have emphasized, and it is correct. These cars

846
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: are still extremely fast. Qualifying was it was less than

847
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: two seconds off last year, so in totality that a

848
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: lot of that is made up at the start of

849
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: the straits, but in totality's still extremely fast cars, but

850
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: at a track where we're so used to and attract

851
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: the appeal of which is so much seeing cars really

852
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: on the edge of grip, and which means they're on

853
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: the edge of gravel or of grass or of in

854
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: some places a wall, that spectacle was lacking, and I

855
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: think as much as that was only FB two, I

856
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: think that obviously continued through to qualifying. I think what

857
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: I saw was pre indicative of what was happening, and

858
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: that is a pity because you know, it is like

859
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: you say, one of the great Field bridges if you

860
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Speaker 1: go through the Japanese Grand Prix is just to see

861
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Speaker 1: the car anywhere, to be honest, Yeah, correct, every part

862
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: of this track is impressive to look at. Some parts

863
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: of the track they were still good to look at,

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00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: of course, but the real highlight corners, it was notable

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Speaker 1: that it's not so certainly not the Formula WHI we

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Speaker 1: used to in previous years, and part of that is

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Speaker 1: simply the chassis regulations, but in general, the way these

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00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: cars have to be driven, or the engine has to

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Speaker 1: be driven, has definitely taken an edge off it. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably not surprising in that sense that

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00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: we saw a lot of two by two in qualifying

872
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: teammates very similar in performance because they're driving, the driver's

873
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: making less of a difference, which I think, to tie

874
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Speaker 1: this back up, that's probably what upsets Max with staff

875
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: in most right, Like he's a driver who has an

876
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: unquantifiable number of tenths to his name that he can

877
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Speaker 1: improve on a car, but you can't in these cars

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Speaker 1: because they don't want to be driven like that.

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00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: No, if anyone's signing up for a Noah's Ark Grid,

880
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: they're not called Max for Stapfen. But while we're closing

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00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 2: the story on being out to look overlooking to Digna's

882
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: in one thirty are my fondest memories of that. I've

883
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: never seen bigger spiders in my life out there. That

884
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: was pretty frightening the first time I went out there.

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Speaker 2: But I went out there. This is how old I

886
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: am during the V ten days and so watching a

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Speaker 2: V ten on a slightly dodgy semi wet track to

888
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: Kumasato in a V ten Honda powered bar on slick

889
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: tires through one thirty r completely lit up. I'm only

890
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: have slightly recovered from that. My ear drums may have

891
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: been irreversibly damaged, but it was very good fun.

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Speaker 1: Yes it is. It's a tremendous place to watch, I

893
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 1: will admit to you on this podcast and to you

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00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: dear listener, I have had opportunities to go out there before,

895
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Speaker 1: but it's timing the races previous time in October or

896
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: usually around October September, so autumn or late summer meant

897
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: that there's a certain pair. It's very narrow passageways, a

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00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: little bit maybe too much inside measure. It's a little

899
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: bit narrow passageway alongside dunlop I guess side of the track,

900
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Speaker 1: and that's where you've got to walk through. And that

901
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: has the nickname Spider ali Aha because the vegetation. You

902
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: would know exactly what this is if you've been through there,

903
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: because the vegetation's overgrown. And then there's this particular spider

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Speaker 1: I forget the name of it, that just loves that area,

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Speaker 1: loves the cards. I don't know what it is and

906
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: they're huge, and I hate spiders and have as a

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00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: result never taken up the opportunity to go through Spider

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Speaker 1: Ali the Girl. The moving of the race to post

909
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Speaker 1: winter means there's no overgrown vegetation and no spiders, so

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Speaker 1: I had a great time.

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Speaker 2: So I went through there in October, and I'm not

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Speaker 2: a massive fan of them, to be fair, but I thought,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to see Formula one cars at a very,

914
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Speaker 2: very great quarter. I can suck it up and trust

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00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: through there and live with the consequences. And you've managed

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Speaker 2: with all your power to get the race moved to

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Speaker 2: March just so you don't have to encounter any spiders.

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Speaker 2: I am deeply jealous of your power.

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Speaker 1: They can move it back now. My job's done. I've

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00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: seen it. Don't understand again if that's what you going

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Speaker 1: to take, but very please to pick that one off

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Speaker 1: the list. On that note, that's all the time we

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Speaker 1: have for Pittalk this week. You can subscribe to Pittalk

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00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: wherever you get your favorite podcasts, and you can meet

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Speaker 1: us rating as a review as well. This weekend it's Easter,

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Speaker 1: so there's no racing. We might be able to find

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Speaker 1: some somewhere, but not on our supports anyway. Don't worry though,

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Speaker 1: it will be back with the supercars of course, the

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Doubleheader the subsequent two weekends and before you

930
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Speaker 1: know it, MotoGP and for Winder one will be back

931
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Speaker 1: on your screens as well. You can keep up to

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Speaker 1: date with all the latest Step one, MotoGP and supercars

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Speaker 1: news at Fox sports dot com dot are you from

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Speaker 1: Matt Peyton and me Michael Lomonado. Thanks very much for

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Speaker 1: your company and we'll catch you next week.