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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to Bounce Forward with me, Tifpaul.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to acknowledge a traditional custod into the land

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Speaker 1: which I'm recording this podcast, the warundry people of the

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Speaker 1: Cooler Nation.

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Speaker 2: I pay my respects the elders past and present.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask you about being a dad

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Speaker 1: and your kids and fitness are they are they into

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Speaker 1: sport and being fit, and you know, like, what do you.

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Speaker 2: Do with your kids? Because my kids are like crazy.

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Speaker 3: They have no chance not to mate, you know it,

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Speaker 3: and everything that they do is up to them. But

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Speaker 3: my oldest son's twelve years old and I coach him

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Speaker 3: in football. My youngest sons seven and I coach his.

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Speaker 3: I also coach the A grade team locally. So the

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Speaker 3: boys come with me every afternoon to A grade training

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Speaker 3: in that time that I have access to phones or

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Speaker 3: the devices at all because they're with me and they're

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Speaker 3: with other friends. And then went on with the men.

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Speaker 3: They're with other men and they can look up to

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Speaker 3: see male role more okay, guys overcoming injuries and guys

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Speaker 3: fighting through whatever's going on around other sportsmen, which is wonderful.

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Speaker 3: And my daughter, she's an Australian ranked dancer. She's only nine.

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Speaker 2: I've seen amazing, old man.

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Speaker 4: What that human body can do. Tith.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, she's beautiful and your kids are so gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: But I think you know that's part of the change

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Speaker 3: in my training now, Tiff, is to be a role

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Speaker 3: model to these kids. Every parent inadvertently wants to be

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Speaker 3: a role model, except I believe that a lot of

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Speaker 3: parents aren't stepping up to the plate and actually doing it.

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Speaker 3: It comes with a price tag, same as the old days.

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Speaker 3: I'm still teaching thirteen and fourteen classes a week. I'm

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Speaker 3: still doing pt on the side. I'm up at five

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Speaker 3: o'clock every morning. My kids get home from it and

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Speaker 3: they go, Dad, let's go and do this. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: my price tag, mate, I've got to pay the ferryman.

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Speaker 3: I've got to drag my sorry ass out of the

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Speaker 3: couch and get up and go. Right, come on, kids,

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Speaker 3: let's go.

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Speaker 4: And do it.

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Speaker 2: It's not easy, is that. I know for myself.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we've got taekwondo after school now with Arnold, and

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Speaker 1: I just think, oh, I'd love to just stay home

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Speaker 1: and cook or just it's.

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Speaker 2: Cold, it's raining, it's horrific.

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Speaker 1: In Melbourne and to get him to Taekwando and do

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Speaker 1: it like it's an effort, but you've got to do it.

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Speaker 2: If you've got to do that.

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Speaker 3: And it's there's no use being on the couch, you're

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Speaker 3: sitting at home and having a big.

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Speaker 4: Son, get off your device and go out and do it.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't work like that.

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Speaker 3: You really have to show them and create it and

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Speaker 3: that you know, with that, more kids can all skate.

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Speaker 4: They can drop in on the skate rams and dads still.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dropping imp with surfing. Surfing, Yeah, well amazing, but amazing.

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Speaker 3: The funny thing is to if we go to the

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Speaker 3: skateboard park, or if I go down to the local

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Speaker 3: park with my kids, I'm on the swings with them.

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Speaker 3: I'm climbing up the monkey bars with them. We'll do

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Speaker 3: the monkey bars together. Everything they're doing, I'm doing. And

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Speaker 3: I can see there's those other parents. They're sitting on

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Speaker 3: my devices looking over there at me, going look at

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Speaker 3: this flat.

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Speaker 4: What a loser. What's he doing? I'll tell you.

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Speaker 3: The loser is cham sitting on the side there directing

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Speaker 3: your kids from the comfort of your own chair, talking

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Speaker 3: to virtual friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah mate, done so, I saw you on says, and

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Speaker 1: you were just amazing, and I just wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about mental grit and strength.

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Speaker 2: How important is mental strength to you?

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Speaker 3: Hell, it's always it's been in my mind, and I

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Speaker 3: think that's that's made me the way I am. I've

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Speaker 3: always been petrified of having that mental weakness, and even

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Speaker 3: from a kid, it's just.

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Speaker 4: Something I've had in me.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's from marm or from Dad

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Speaker 3: or for what Tiff, but I've always had that fear

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Speaker 3: that the moment I get weak mentally, it's kind of

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Speaker 3: creep in it or eat into everything. I've Everything I

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Speaker 3: do so in my rugby league career, my boxing career

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Speaker 3: and everything like that has always been to keep that

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Speaker 3: that desperation not to let that weakness in and that

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Speaker 4: Sas was the most.

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Speaker 3: Brutal thing you could ever imagine. I know people expect

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Speaker 4: Was a bit for TV. It was ruthless.

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Speaker 3: I literally didn't lay eyes on another person for the

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Speaker 3: full two weeks that were on the show other than

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Speaker 3: the people that are in there.

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Speaker 4: No producers know someone to come and check on you.

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Speaker 3: You had the doctor. If we needed our batteries change

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Speaker 3: and things like that. You know about that in our mics.

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Speaker 3: Hands up against the wall, shut your eyes. The people

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Speaker 3: come in and change your batteries and then you.

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Speaker 4: Can turn it. It was ruthless.

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Speaker 3: I had hypothermia three times. I saw in nine days hypothermia.

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Speaker 3: If you get hypothermia in general population, you go to

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Speaker 3: hospital two days to get your shit back together. I'm

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Speaker 3: back in the barracks, mate, the next night, going again

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Speaker 3: the next day, back into the water.

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Speaker 4: It was heavy, but.

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Speaker 3: Amazingly rewarding to be stripped back to nothing, to absolute, primal,

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Speaker 3: primal desire and determination to eat, to sleep and to

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Speaker 4: That was all you cared about.

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Speaker 3: Give a little inside funny story inside. Day one, you

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Speaker 3: turn up and you go, excuse me, sir, I've got

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Speaker 3: to go to tiler shut number eight. Go over there,

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Speaker 3: and I go, there's one of the girls squatting over there.

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Speaker 4: There. He goes, are you stupid? Get over there and

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Speaker 4: go I'll just hold it.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Three days later you go, excuse me, sir, go to

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Speaker 3: tilet Go over there, mate.

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Speaker 4: There we are girls and boys right next to each other,

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Speaker 4: but couldn't care less. I couldn't care it was totally gone,

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Speaker 4: it was absolutely primal. May then we're getting.

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Speaker 3: Stripped nude in front of each other and it's just yeah,

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Speaker 3: you don't even think about it. You just at that

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Speaker 3: point where it's absolute, and it starts off in blocks

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Speaker 3: tiff where you go right, I'll get I'll get to

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Speaker 3: the end of this week, and then once I get

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Speaker 3: to there this week, I'll refocus. Then that block gets

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Speaker 3: slightly smaller once I get to there tomorrow, because you

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Speaker 3: don't know what you're doing ever, they get no heads up.

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Speaker 3: You just turn up and then bang whatever.

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Speaker 4: And then and then as.

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Speaker 3: You go through the course and your body starts and

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Speaker 3: get to dinner. Once I have dinner, I'll reassess. Because

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Speaker 3: you always have the ability to pull your band off

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Speaker 3: and go yeah, and the story starts.

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Speaker 4: You've got to be home and see your family, and

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Speaker 4: you know your family, missus.

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Speaker 3: You don't need these don't need to prove anything, and

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Speaker 3: everyone's got the same talk going on, and it's like

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Speaker 3: the eternal battle of internal monologue from one side talking

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Speaker 3: and this side's.

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Speaker 4: Going go to go home.

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Speaker 2: Mate. Oh my oh. I was asked to do it.

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Speaker 1: I said no, I just I was I was scared

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Speaker 1: of my injuries. I was scared. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: I could have done it. I looked at what you

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Speaker 1: I could well.

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Speaker 3: I think after the one we did at the snow,

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Speaker 3: they didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so mental strength is really important to you. But

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask you about mental health. What

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Speaker 1: do you do to keep your mental health good?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Are you do you meditate? Is it breath work?

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 2: What techniques are in your toolbox for mental health?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: All of the above. I'm going into the SAS selection.

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Speaker 3: I had the first not a panic attack, but the

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Speaker 3: first panic episode I've ever had.

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Speaker 4: And You've got a member of played national level Rabia league.

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Speaker 3: I've had professional boxing fights and I'm just cruising right.

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Speaker 3: Nothing really phases me except I had this phobia of

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Speaker 3: having my breath taken away from me.

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Speaker 4: I was shit scared of it, and I watched.

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Speaker 3: The UK version trying to prepare, and they have this

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Speaker 3: thing where they all we had to do it in

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Speaker 3: the end, whether you had to link, and they pushed

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Speaker 3: on the heads and people are choking, and I.

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Speaker 4: Woke up in the middle of the night in a

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Speaker 4: I said to my wife. I'm going to ring him

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Speaker 4: I'm out. I've done it. I've never done that in

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Speaker 3: Driving to work that next morning, just so happened to

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Speaker 3: Dino from WANDAI Rescue Rangly just happened to ring me

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Speaker 3: and goes, mate, listen, I'm doing this breathing workshop. I

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Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to go any good.

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Speaker 4: He goes on Saturday, let's get there.

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Speaker 3: So driving out there three times in the car, I

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Speaker 4: Petrified, petrified.

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Speaker 3: I got there and set my mate up right at

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Speaker 4: Trail or something. Halfway through.

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Speaker 3: And then we did the first breath hold and I

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Speaker 3: We're doing sixty seconds, fifty seconds. And I looked around

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Speaker 3: I did the preparation, did the breath hold, the whim

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Speaker 4: Next on thirty seconds, I went, wow, that's nearly double.

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Speaker 4: That's so good. I'll just do one more than I've

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Speaker 4: done more than half.

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Speaker 3: So again it's breaking down things in little manageable chunks.

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Speaker 3: Did the breath, I did the prep I got to

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Speaker 4: Minute, and I went, man, imagine, I wasn't been such

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Speaker 3: And I really had to go and actually relaxed and

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Speaker 4: Book a minute and a half, I went.

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Speaker 3: Right now, imagine I actually paid attention to what he

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Speaker 4: Two minutes I sat up and my anxiety was gone.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Tiff.

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Speaker 3: It's always wonderful to hook up and just re edito

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Speaker 4: It's so cool.

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Speaker 2: Happy days,