WEBVTT - #187 Jack Della Maddalena: Is this Australia’s Next UFC World Champion? 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.320 Him my Boris and this is straight talk Jack, Della 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:05.040 Madeleina Well and straight talk mate. 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:05.880 Thanks for having me. 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.959 You have combination trouble. 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:13.120 Tell him you that type of dude, like, fuck, I'm 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:13.840 not going to stop. 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:15.920 You have to kill me to stop. I always look 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:17.840 at it as I try and just push a strong 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:23.119 pace and try and damage my pone. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:24.480 Yeah, fight what's in front of you. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:26.680 I fight what's in front of me. It might be risk, 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:28.760 you know. I like to take the risk the opportunity 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.760 presents herself. You've got to take here the scary people 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.160 in this division, but I'm scariest. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.280 Hey, guys seeing me here. From Mark Dorris's team. Before 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:40.199 we jump into the episode, just the quick heads up. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:42.960 This conversation was a quarterback in February while Jack was 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:46.120 in Sydney for USC three twelve and before his championship 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.159 fight with Balah Muhammad was announced. This episode is all 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.800 back into no Jack, who he is, his mindset, and 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.040 his fighting style. From all of us that mental were 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:58.000 wishing him the very best this weekend. Enjoy Jack, Della. 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.360 Madeleina Well and straight talk mate. 0:00:59.440 --> 0:00:59.960 Thanks for having me. 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.960 Yeah, I love Perth person one of my favorite place 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:04.400 and one of my favorite cities in the world. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.240 I loved you. I used to live there. One of 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:08.800 the things, and you're a Perth boy. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.520 One of the things is you might explain to everybody 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:17.480 the parochialism, the way Perth people, or West Australians for 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.040 that matter, sort of consider themselves as different to the 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.440 rest of the country. They love Australia, of course, but 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.679 East versus West Coast it's a big deal. And when 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:31.560 someone like you representing them, they are so much behind you. 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.640 Can you just explain that thought process of West Australians 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.240 and how did you grow up in that environment? 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.800 Yeah? Well, Perth is it's a small sort of place 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.200 and it's very isolated. You know, it takes it's a 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.400 five hour journey just to come to the East Side. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.640 It's a quiet place, laid back and yeah, it's a 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.160 small population, but it's a nice place. It's a beautiful 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:59.000 We've got beautiful coastline, beautiful beaches and the people are 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:03.000 very children. I think Western Australians are very proud of Perth. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.560 You know what, just a long what Dana said to 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.720 me this week, he said to me, fuck man, he said, 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:13.720 you've got sharks and fucking snakes and everything else that 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.400 can kill you, and crocodiles and all that sort of stuff. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.000 But one of the things people don't realize is the 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.680 Perth beachs. While they're beautiful, there's a lot of deaths 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:25.520 over there from shark attacks per people. Generally speaking to me, 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.840 they're the real crocodile unders of Australia. And Sydney's like 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.519 a big metropolis, you know, We're like many other big 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:32.200 city in the world. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:32.840 Per's not. 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.680 West Australia is definitely not as a state, but in 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.040 West Australia. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.959 Are laid back, but they're also. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.080 More representative of what, like I think what old school 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:48.040 Australians were, tough bastards, farmers, do the thing, do your job. 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.000 Yeah, Perth compared to Sydney is like a little country town, 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.880 I would say, in comparison. But yeah, it's a nice place, 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:58.120 you know. I think, yeah, some people might look at 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.480 per from the outseats and not necessarily to go there 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.440 because it's it's like a country town, but it's when 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.840 you go there and you get into the lifestyle and 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.200 you get into the pace of Perth. I think people 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:08.840 enjoy it. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.120 I thought we said it's a great place to bring 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.160 kids up, you know, like it's it's and it's. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:14.560 A nice joint. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.240 And the reason I'm sort of asking you this stuff, Jack, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:18.679 is because I've heard you interviewed it on a number 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.080 of times and people talk about the you know, the 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.560 broken arm and all that sort of stuff, and you 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.200 just basically say, yeah, like I didn't really feel it, 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.600 I didn't notice it. Adrenaline kicked in, blah blah blah, 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:29.919 and you sort of dismissed in a very modest way. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.560 And they say, you know, I've heard people say this 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.440 guy is the toughest basketard in the UFC, you know, 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.800 and that's a big call. And I just wonder if 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.960 it's sort of more to do with You've been to 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.160 West Australia and it's just stuff happens, you know, Like 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.000 I'm sure there's blokes out there on big farms which 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.040 are probably million acres, you know, round up cattle, and 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:53.680 they fall off their horse or they get stuck in 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.400 the wire and the fence or something, and they cut 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:56.720 them the shit out of themselves and they just go 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:58.960 back home and have steak and vegie and they just 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:00.640 forget about it and get back on horse tomorrow. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.880 Yeah, for sure, that is. Yeah, mentality just sort of 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.160 get on with the I wish I could say, yeah, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.360 my arm was was excruciating pain and I had to 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.280 fight through, but really I couldn't. I couldn't feel a thing. 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:12.520 You know. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.480 It really only set in after the fight. But yeah, Perth, 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.719 that's sort of pretty laid back. But everyone works hard, 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:24.080 you know, everyone has Yeah, everyone's on task and they 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:25.640 do what they need to do and then at the 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.320 end of the day they sit back and relax and 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:28.760 have a beer. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:29.159 Yeah. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.279 That was my experience when I live there back in 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:32.640 the eighties, and I loved it. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.520 Can I just ask you about your family development. 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:41.159 Lena is an Italian sounding surname, probably goes back a 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:42.000 few generations. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:48.200 Yeap for you, yeap. Mum's yeah, Australia, scott I think 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:53.120 mum's grandparents all born bred Australia, Scottish background. I'm strong 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.640 is them, mum's last name, all. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:02.359 The things Scottish name, and your brothers and sisters, what 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:03.560 to deal with family just. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.640 Their older brother two years older, so it's just the 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:09.400 two of us. And yeah, Dad, my dad's dad. Granddad 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:13.360 came from Northern Italy when I think he was seventeen eighteen, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.240 just for a better life, you know. I think he 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.920 was born in thirty three, so it wasn't the best 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:21.200 time in Italy, so he just sort of, yeah, look 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:22.680 for a better life. And I think there was a 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.400 boat heading to Australia and he thought, I think, but 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.320 I think there was heaps of banana. They had a 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.560 lot of bananas. He never had a banana before, so 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.440 I think that sold him to come over. 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:34.680 It's amazing how we get family stories about, you know, 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.440 and we don't know whether it's true all bullshit, but 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:40.200 there's a good story anyway to have and your brother, your. 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:41.560 Older brother growing up together. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.800 Yeah. I've read stuff where that you and he used 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.240 to rip into each other in the backyard and sort 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.320 of like it to a couple of brothers playing around 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:50.960 with each other, boxing each other and stuff like that, 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:52.080 going total top yeah. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.880 Always. You know, dad was a mad rugby fan. So 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.719 we've got sent to rugby pretty young. Really a rabby 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.880 fan in Perth, yeah pretty yeah. Not very usual rugby 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.560 union as well. Not a massive following in Perth, but 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.479 there's a decent, decent amount of rugby teams, but Yeah, 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.320 he just sort of pushed us in that direction from 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.039 a young age, and we just we loved it. Like 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.120 the physicality of it. We were quite physical too when 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:20.000 we could just train with each other. So he's, yeah, 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.560 I love rugby. But yeah, we would always get into it. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.760 We loved sort of watching wrestling, bit of we like 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.520 watching boxing. We just sort of, yeah, ripped into each. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:30.440 All the combat sports. 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.480 Yeah, just having fun. You know, to boys Perth, it's 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.960 a quiet place, so we just spent time with each other, 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:37.520 just pushed each other. 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.279 So did you could you tell me when you first 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.000 started to learn, either to box or do you know? 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:44.240 I mean, what was the deal? 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.960 It was, yeah, rugby from a young age. And then 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:51.560 probably I think I was eleven years old, like we were, 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.520 Me and my brother really started training together. We had 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.599 a tackle bag, but we dad gave us boxing gloves 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.000 and we were pretty young and we just started rather 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.479 and tackling it plane road. We just started punching and 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.240 kicking it, having that sort of thing. And then I 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.159 think I was twelve or thirteen that sort of age, 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.520 we just got into a boxing gym, just loved watching 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.840 martial arts, found a boxing gym and then just really 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.600 got into it, fell in love with the sort of 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.560 like the combat sports at. 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.840 That age, Like did you go and have amateur fights? 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.720 Never nap, just was in I liked watching MMA and 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.920 there was wasn't many MMA gyms around, but just got 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.120 in there, just training with each other. I was still 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.240 playing rugby pretty consistently, so it was more just a 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:38.160 supplement the rugby, bit of extra fitness, but never got 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:42.440 into amateur fights. Joined an MMA gym at probably fourteen 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.800 or fifteen, and then sort of just focused more on MMA. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:50.480 So when was your first exposure to MMA as a competitor. 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.240 Then as a competitor in Perth they were a bit fat. 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.080 I had like an amateur interclub thing maybe when I 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.800 was about sixteen or seventeen, But in Perth they at 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.240 the time there was a ban on the cage. They 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.960 didn't allow the cage and it was hard to get 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.760 fights below the age of eighteen. So I just pretty 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.160 much waited till I was eighteen and then started competing. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.680 And when did you realize this is my thing? Like 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:15.560 were you doing something else, by the way, were you 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.520 doing like an apprenticeship or no? 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.840 Not really just at school train just a school at 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.240 the time just training and then yeah, it took me, 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.280 but I didn't really ever think this was what I 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.080 was going to this was my career path. It was 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.560 just more enjoyment of the sport and the training. 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:32.400 Was it because your brother's doing it too? 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.079 Yeah? Yeah that was a big pass. Saw Josh into 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.679 it and yeah, Josh, my brother was right into it, 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.440 and I just sort of went along with him, just training. 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.560 And when I saw him have a fight, then I 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.920 was pretty hooked at that point. So he had to 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:48.760 fight for he had to fight before me. I think 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:50.920 when he got to eighteen, he sort of had a 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.400 fight and I was just watching. You know, my dad 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.520 would always be yeah, Josh, he fights, and I was 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.040 sort of like, well, I want to fight too. How 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.800 did you picked up whether you have se then? Just 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.400 watching MMA? I think when I was young, I loved 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.760 watching w w A. My granddad was right into w 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:08.880 w A, so I just was. I was a pretty 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.839 obsessed fan with w w A. And then yeah, it 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.600 must have been that like early teens, twelve thirteen, I 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.679 saw an MMA video realized that w W is fuck 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.560 sort of put it together. Then they're like, this is 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.040 actually real wrestling, and it actually looks more fun. So 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:26.720 at that point I was pretty. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.920 Hooked you But did you did you on a contender 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.079 series or some yeah? 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.600 Ye to get sorry when I was yeah, I had 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:37.080 ten when I won nine fights. Basically I got into 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.559 a contender series at the start of twenty twenty or 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:45.079 the end of twenty twenty one, go on to Contender series, 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.359 which is a great opportunity. 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:48.040 What's what's the deal? 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.320 So that you know, I don't know, there's Dane for himself, 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:51.960 but someone comes along and says this, and Jack, you know, 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:52.960 we're going to pull you up. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:54.040 You're going to You're going to get in. 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:55.960 You're in the UFC now, you know as a result 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.239 of been really impressing us. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.920 What what what did? What went through your head? 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:02.400 Like? 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:03.840 And where was this series? 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.400 By the way, it was in Las Vegas, So yeah, 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.520 basically just one to fire a local fight and then 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.720 got into talks to the matchmakers and they said, we 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.560 don't want to put you straight into the UFC, but 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.400 here's we've got this route. It's the Contender Series in Vegas. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:21.640 You basically go, you fight in front of Dana and 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.920 if he thinks it's like what they promoted is like 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.400 the toughest job interview in the world. You know, you 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.360 go there, you just give it your all, and then 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.439 if Dana thinks you got potential, then he would give 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:33.120 you the contract. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:34.200 Do you'd have to do an interview? 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.880 No? No, oh. I got interviewed after the fight by him. Nah, 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.880 it was just the media media interview. Yeah, but it 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:43.760 was more he just sat there watched the fights. I 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.920 think he just bases it purely on a performance standpoint. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.120 If you, if he thinks you've got what it takes. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.520 So what do will you reckon? From your point of view? 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.040 From Jack's point of view, would have impressed him. Stand up, 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.320 like you on the ground, where were you stronger? 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.800 Well? The fight so it was a three round five 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.880 it was. It was mainly striking, but then there was 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.640 a few times where it hit the ground. I was 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.480 able to get back to my feet and then yeah, 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.240 I just sort of kept pushing. I just kept pushing 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.800 right up until the final bow. You know, even the 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.559 last ten seconds. I was just giving it all, like 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.559 throwing everything but the kitchen scene Caden basically, and I 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.240 think that's what he appreciated. I got stuck in some 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.040 bad positions and I was able to get out of them. 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.080 And I think, yeah, I think Dana liked. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.320 That, Yeah, because I mean when you're being pretty modesty. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.959 So but I mean when i've I've watched some of 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.400 your I watched them in Perth, not last year before, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.000 obviously not last year, missed out last year were having 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:40.880 an operation, but we had an oration, but the year 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:45.640 before and and your style is that you're sort of 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.320 all over them, you know, like you're not letting anyone 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.400 get a break. Yea, you know your yours, throwing punches, 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:55.240 whatever you're on, you're on the whole time. That seems 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.600 to be a style to me is that you and 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.240 as a personality, I mean you that type of do like, fuck, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.520 I'm not going to stop you you have to kill. 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:03.840 Me to stop. 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.280 Yeah. Basically I'm a pretty calm person. But yeah, in 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.920 the fight, I feel like getting in there, you've just 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:11.840 got to I always look at it as and my 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.920 coach has already said, like you've got to damage the 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.040 opponent and get on them and push the pace, like 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.360 you don't have a long time in there, so you've 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.839 just got to make things happen. So yeah, that's what 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.120 I try, And just push a strong pace and try 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:25.680 and damage my opponent. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.120 Do you are you one of those people, those top 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:34.040 of fighters who you see an opportunity in the moment 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.520 as supposed to planning it. Yeah, and you're ready to 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.840 quickly mentally to take the opportunity really quickly, are you? 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.880 So you've got quick reflexes relative. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.599 To what you see. I think what's in front of you? 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.200 I think, So I find what's in front of me, 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.199 it take the and yeah, I take the even if 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.200 it might be risk. You know, I like to take 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.319 the risk, to risk it for the biscuit, you know, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.000 for the opportunity presents itself. I feel like you've got 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.360 to take it otherwise that opportunity is gone, you know. 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.319 So yeah, I think there's going to be opportunities so 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.400 I can push it and try and take him out. 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.679 Can you explain to all the non professional fighters and 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.280 about when someone tries to take you down like in 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:16.080 the shoot for you? 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.200 Yeah, there is. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.440 It's pretty pretty dangerous if you're the person going to 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:23.040 cop it, like you know, if they're good at it 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:24.440 and they put you on the ground, you're in trouble. 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.840 But there's also danger for them too. 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:28.400 Yeah. 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.679 Yeah, then you might uppercut them, or you could put 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:31.400 an need in which you. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.640 Did the perfect Yeah, the perfose someone shooting in their 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.720 heads pretty low, so that upper cut up the middle 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.079 or then the knees. The good shot can be risky 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.320 though if you miss, if the knee didn't land, then 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.760 it would pretty much for sure he would get me down. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:45.559 So that's what I want to know, Jack, Do you 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.760 would you go through like a like a quick analysis 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.199 or you or you were so experienced I know that 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:52.520 I'm going to take the shot no matter what. 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.200 Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, it was more just yeah, 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:56.960 as I said, just risk it. You know, you've got 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.520 to pull. You've got times like that, you've got to 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.720 pull the true And the worst thing that would have happened, 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.360 the knee wouldn't have landed. He would have got a 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:05.680 hold of me and I would have ended up on 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.800 my back again, which obviously is an ideal. But the 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.000 best thing that could have happened is the kneelands flush 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.440 and he goes down and he can't recover. 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.720 So so during the period when you're when you're physically 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.320 recovering after because obviously there was a long process of 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.000 recovery and number of operations or a number of. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:22.880 Surgeries, et c. 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:23.480 You didn't have. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.880 Do you sort of sit around thinking, Okay, my next 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:34.360 opponent might be looking at me saying, well, Jack likes 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.640 to stand up and go for go hard, for it, 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.520 total tonially and will be all over me like a 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.920 bad suit. So I got to somehow slow slow the game, takedowns, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.200 time on the floor. I got hold here. You can't 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.280 move picking up points basically, do you? And then you 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.960 think you, oh, should I better? Maybe a better ring? 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.280 Someone up and get some I know you're resting coaches anyway. 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:00.480 And by the way, Jay, you've got your black belt. 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:00.840 Thank you? 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:01.920 Straight after that? 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.280 Yeah, how's your brother Phil? Yeah? Yeah he's good. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:05.800 He's sweet. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:06.680 Yeah he's sweet. 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.640 He's did he say does he say to you? Because 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.320 he's brown? Be Yeah, let's let's look can I. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:15.560 Now, let's let's try out and see if I can 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:16.240 get a black belt? 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.600 Yeah? Yeah, he will get there very soon, I think. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:24.080 Yeah, timing, you really have im pressure you're training. You know, 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:25.040 after that, he gave you the. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.560 Black belt, So that's pretty cool, especially if you didn't 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.400 do it with the in the ring. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:30.080 That's unreal. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.160 But so do you think to yourself. Do I need 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:35.360 to do more more floor training or is it just 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.320 a part of the program. You do it anyway every 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:38.240 other day or whatever it is. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.160 I do it anyway. It's part of the program, but 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.480 it is. Yeah, A big focus of mine is working 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.040 on the ground game. You know, you've got to work 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.800 on I guess your weaknesses. You know, got to work 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:49.480 on your weaknesses. You've got to work on your strengths 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.280 as well. But yeah, there's nothing worse than going into 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:56.160 fun then just getting held down, and yeah, getting held 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:57.880 down not being able to get up, it's a pretty 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.960 terrible feeling. So I just work every day, really a 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.920 lot of grappling training, how to get up, submissions, the 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:05.640 whole lot. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:06.840 And how do you feel like? 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.880 Obviously a black belt, but that's that's sort of slightly 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.080 different went on the floor in the in the mm 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.160 A game. How do you feel about your your your 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.760 your game, your ground game is getting better and better? 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.360 Yeah, I definitely feel like it is getting better. I 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.360 feel like I can hang with the best in the 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.400 world on the feet on the ground, and that's what 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.880 I'm just trying to build on, trying to but also 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:30.280 I don't want to compete with them on the floor. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.600 I just want to be in a perfect world. Just 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.280 stop them, get them strong hips, buck them off whenever 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.560 they should, and then keep the fire standing. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.760 Yeah, because that's that's a good place for you to be. 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:40.880 You're really confident. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.160 Yeah, I feel comfortable, feel calm, and I feel in 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:44.400 control on the feet. 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.320 Because that brings me to sort of chef cat like. 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:48.280 I mean, I don't know if you call him out 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:49.680 or something. Did you if you've got an X and 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:50.960 have a come on dude? 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:55.440 Yeah? Straight after the fight with Burns called them in 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:57.640 after and I thought this is the time. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.280 And he responded by saying, your bravery or something like that. 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:02.480 But I'm going to do to you what I've done 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:03.800 everything something like that. 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:05.879 Yeah, So how do you how do you I mean, 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.119 obviously you've got to get through this event in March, 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.320 but how do you plan for someone like Shove cut 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.720 Lake like and or Blao. I mean, how do you 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:16.240 plan for that? 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:16.560 Do you? 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:17.159 Are you doing that? 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:18.920 Or you just take one fight at a time. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.200 I focused on one fight at a time, get through 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.280