Speaker 1: Him my Boris and this is straight talk Jack, Della
Speaker 1: Madeleina Well and straight talk mate.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: You have combination trouble.
Speaker 1: Tell him you that type of dude, like, fuck, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to stop.
Speaker 2: You have to kill me to stop. I always look
Speaker 2: at it as I try and just push a strong
Speaker 2: pace and try and damage my pone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fight what's in front of you.
Speaker 2: I fight what's in front of me. It might be risk,
Speaker 2: you know. I like to take the risk the opportunity
Speaker 2: presents herself. You've got to take here the scary people
Speaker 2: in this division, but I'm scariest.
Speaker 3: Hey, guys seeing me here. From Mark Dorris's team. Before
Speaker 3: we jump into the episode, just the quick heads up.
Speaker 3: This conversation was a quarterback in February while Jack was
Speaker 3: in Sydney for USC three twelve and before his championship
Speaker 3: fight with Balah Muhammad was announced. This episode is all
Speaker 3: back into no Jack, who he is, his mindset, and
Speaker 3: his fighting style. From all of us that mental were
Speaker 3: wishing him the very best this weekend. Enjoy Jack, Della.
Speaker 1: Madeleina Well and straight talk mate.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Perth person one of my favorite place
Speaker 1: and one of my favorite cities in the world.
Speaker 4: I loved you. I used to live there. One of
Speaker 4: the things, and you're a Perth boy.
Speaker 1: One of the things is you might explain to everybody
Speaker 1: the parochialism, the way Perth people, or West Australians for
Speaker 1: that matter, sort of consider themselves as different to the
Speaker 1: rest of the country. They love Australia, of course, but
Speaker 1: East versus West Coast it's a big deal. And when
Speaker 1: someone like you representing them, they are so much behind you.
Speaker 1: Can you just explain that thought process of West Australians
Speaker 1: and how did you grow up in that environment?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, Perth is it's a small sort of place
Speaker 2: and it's very isolated. You know, it takes it's a
Speaker 2: five hour journey just to come to the East Side.
Speaker 2: It's a quiet place, laid back and yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: small population, but it's a nice place. It's a beautiful
Speaker 2: We've got beautiful coastline, beautiful beaches and the people are
Speaker 2: very children. I think Western Australians are very proud of Perth.
Speaker 1: You know what, just a long what Dana said to
Speaker 1: me this week, he said to me, fuck man, he said,
Speaker 1: you've got sharks and fucking snakes and everything else that
Speaker 1: can kill you, and crocodiles and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: But one of the things people don't realize is the
Speaker 1: Perth beachs. While they're beautiful, there's a lot of deaths
Speaker 1: over there from shark attacks per people. Generally speaking to me,
Speaker 1: they're the real crocodile unders of Australia. And Sydney's like
Speaker 1: a big metropolis, you know, We're like many other big
Speaker 1: city in the world.
Speaker 4: Per's not.
Speaker 1: West Australia is definitely not as a state, but in
Speaker 1: West Australia.
Speaker 4: Are laid back, but they're also.
Speaker 1: More representative of what, like I think what old school
Speaker 1: Australians were, tough bastards, farmers, do the thing, do your job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Perth compared to Sydney is like a little country town,
Speaker 2: I would say, in comparison. But yeah, it's a nice place,
Speaker 2: you know. I think, yeah, some people might look at
Speaker 2: per from the outseats and not necessarily to go there
Speaker 2: because it's it's like a country town, but it's when
Speaker 2: you go there and you get into the lifestyle and
Speaker 2: you get into the pace of Perth. I think people
Speaker 2: enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I thought we said it's a great place to bring
Speaker 1: kids up, you know, like it's it's and it's.
Speaker 4: A nice joint.
Speaker 1: And the reason I'm sort of asking you this stuff, Jack,
Speaker 1: is because I've heard you interviewed it on a number
Speaker 1: of times and people talk about the you know, the
Speaker 1: broken arm and all that sort of stuff, and you
Speaker 1: just basically say, yeah, like I didn't really feel it,
Speaker 1: I didn't notice it. Adrenaline kicked in, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and you sort of dismissed in a very modest way.
Speaker 1: And they say, you know, I've heard people say this
Speaker 1: guy is the toughest basketard in the UFC, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's a big call. And I just wonder if
Speaker 1: it's sort of more to do with You've been to
Speaker 1: West Australia and it's just stuff happens, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's blokes out there on big farms which
Speaker 1: are probably million acres, you know, round up cattle, and
Speaker 1: they fall off their horse or they get stuck in
Speaker 1: the wire and the fence or something, and they cut
Speaker 1: them the shit out of themselves and they just go
Speaker 1: back home and have steak and vegie and they just
Speaker 1: forget about it and get back on horse tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, that is. Yeah, mentality just sort of
Speaker 2: get on with the I wish I could say, yeah,
Speaker 2: my arm was was excruciating pain and I had to
Speaker 2: fight through, but really I couldn't. I couldn't feel a thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It really only set in after the fight. But yeah, Perth,
Speaker 2: that's sort of pretty laid back. But everyone works hard,
Speaker 2: you know, everyone has Yeah, everyone's on task and they
Speaker 2: do what they need to do and then at the
Speaker 2: end of the day they sit back and relax and
Speaker 2: have a beer.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was my experience when I live there back in
Speaker 1: the eighties, and I loved it.
Speaker 4: Can I just ask you about your family development.
Speaker 1: Lena is an Italian sounding surname, probably goes back a
Speaker 1: few generations.
Speaker 2: Yeap for you, yeap. Mum's yeah, Australia, scott I think
Speaker 2: mum's grandparents all born bred Australia, Scottish background. I'm strong
Speaker 2: is them, mum's last name, all.
Speaker 1: The things Scottish name, and your brothers and sisters, what
Speaker 1: to deal with family just.
Speaker 2: Their older brother two years older, so it's just the
Speaker 2: two of us. And yeah, Dad, my dad's dad. Granddad
Speaker 2: came from Northern Italy when I think he was seventeen eighteen,
Speaker 2: just for a better life, you know. I think he
Speaker 2: was born in thirty three, so it wasn't the best
Speaker 2: time in Italy, so he just sort of, yeah, look
Speaker 2: for a better life. And I think there was a
Speaker 2: boat heading to Australia and he thought, I think, but
Speaker 2: I think there was heaps of banana. They had a
Speaker 2: lot of bananas. He never had a banana before, so
Speaker 2: I think that sold him to come over.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how we get family stories about, you know,
Speaker 1: and we don't know whether it's true all bullshit, but
Speaker 1: there's a good story anyway to have and your brother, your.
Speaker 4: Older brother growing up together.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've read stuff where that you and he used
Speaker 1: to rip into each other in the backyard and sort
Speaker 1: of like it to a couple of brothers playing around
Speaker 1: with each other, boxing each other and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: going total top yeah.
Speaker 2: Always. You know, dad was a mad rugby fan. So
Speaker 2: we've got sent to rugby pretty young. Really a rabby
Speaker 2: fan in Perth, yeah pretty yeah. Not very usual rugby
Speaker 2: union as well. Not a massive following in Perth, but
Speaker 2: there's a decent, decent amount of rugby teams, but Yeah,
Speaker 2: he just sort of pushed us in that direction from
Speaker 2: a young age, and we just we loved it. Like
Speaker 2: the physicality of it. We were quite physical too when
Speaker 2: we could just train with each other. So he's, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love rugby. But yeah, we would always get into it.
Speaker 2: We loved sort of watching wrestling, bit of we like
Speaker 2: watching boxing. We just sort of, yeah, ripped into each.
Speaker 4: All the combat sports.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just having fun. You know, to boys Perth, it's
Speaker 2: a quiet place, so we just spent time with each other,
Speaker 2: just pushed each other.
Speaker 1: So did you could you tell me when you first
Speaker 1: started to learn, either to box or do you know?
Speaker 1: I mean, what was the deal?
Speaker 2: It was, yeah, rugby from a young age. And then
Speaker 2: probably I think I was eleven years old, like we were,
Speaker 2: Me and my brother really started training together. We had
Speaker 2: a tackle bag, but we dad gave us boxing gloves
Speaker 2: and we were pretty young and we just started rather
Speaker 2: and tackling it plane road. We just started punching and
Speaker 2: kicking it, having that sort of thing. And then I
Speaker 2: think I was twelve or thirteen that sort of age,
Speaker 2: we just got into a boxing gym, just loved watching
Speaker 2: martial arts, found a boxing gym and then just really
Speaker 2: got into it, fell in love with the sort of
Speaker 2: like the combat sports at.
Speaker 1: That age, Like did you go and have amateur fights?
Speaker 2: Never nap, just was in I liked watching MMA and
Speaker 2: there was wasn't many MMA gyms around, but just got
Speaker 2: in there, just training with each other. I was still
Speaker 2: playing rugby pretty consistently, so it was more just a
Speaker 2: supplement the rugby, bit of extra fitness, but never got
Speaker 2: into amateur fights. Joined an MMA gym at probably fourteen
Speaker 2: or fifteen, and then sort of just focused more on MMA.
Speaker 1: So when was your first exposure to MMA as a competitor.
Speaker 2: Then as a competitor in Perth they were a bit fat.
Speaker 2: I had like an amateur interclub thing maybe when I
Speaker 2: was about sixteen or seventeen, But in Perth they at
Speaker 2: the time there was a ban on the cage. They
Speaker 2: didn't allow the cage and it was hard to get
Speaker 2: fights below the age of eighteen. So I just pretty
Speaker 2: much waited till I was eighteen and then started competing.
Speaker 1: And when did you realize this is my thing? Like
Speaker 1: were you doing something else, by the way, were you
Speaker 1: doing like an apprenticeship or no?
Speaker 2: Not really just at school train just a school at
Speaker 2: the time just training and then yeah, it took me,
Speaker 2: but I didn't really ever think this was what I
Speaker 2: was going to this was my career path. It was
Speaker 2: just more enjoyment of the sport and the training.
Speaker 4: Was it because your brother's doing it too?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah that was a big pass. Saw Josh into
Speaker 2: it and yeah, Josh, my brother was right into it,
Speaker 2: and I just sort of went along with him, just training.
Speaker 2: And when I saw him have a fight, then I
Speaker 2: was pretty hooked at that point. So he had to
Speaker 2: fight for he had to fight before me. I think
Speaker 2: when he got to eighteen, he sort of had a
Speaker 2: fight and I was just watching. You know, my dad
Speaker 2: would always be yeah, Josh, he fights, and I was
Speaker 2: sort of like, well, I want to fight too. How
Speaker 2: did you picked up whether you have se then? Just
Speaker 2: watching MMA? I think when I was young, I loved
Speaker 2: watching w w A. My granddad was right into w
Speaker 2: w A, so I just was. I was a pretty
Speaker 2: obsessed fan with w w A. And then yeah, it
Speaker 2: must have been that like early teens, twelve thirteen, I
Speaker 2: saw an MMA video realized that w W is fuck
Speaker 2: sort of put it together. Then they're like, this is
Speaker 2: actually real wrestling, and it actually looks more fun. So
Speaker 2: at that point I was pretty.
Speaker 1: Hooked you But did you did you on a contender
Speaker 1: series or some yeah?
Speaker 2: Ye to get sorry when I was yeah, I had
Speaker 2: ten when I won nine fights. Basically I got into
Speaker 2: a contender series at the start of twenty twenty or
Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty one, go on to Contender series,
Speaker 2: which is a great opportunity.
Speaker 4: What's what's the deal?
Speaker 1: So that you know, I don't know, there's Dane for himself,
Speaker 1: but someone comes along and says this, and Jack, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to pull you up.
Speaker 4: You're going to You're going to get in.
Speaker 1: You're in the UFC now, you know as a result
Speaker 1: of been really impressing us.
Speaker 4: What what what did? What went through your head?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: And where was this series?
Speaker 2: By the way, it was in Las Vegas, So yeah,
Speaker 2: basically just one to fire a local fight and then
Speaker 2: got into talks to the matchmakers and they said, we
Speaker 2: don't want to put you straight into the UFC, but
Speaker 2: here's we've got this route. It's the Contender Series in Vegas.
Speaker 2: You basically go, you fight in front of Dana and
Speaker 2: if he thinks it's like what they promoted is like
Speaker 2: the toughest job interview in the world. You know, you
Speaker 2: go there, you just give it your all, and then
Speaker 2: if Dana thinks you got potential, then he would give
Speaker 2: you the contract.
Speaker 4: Do you'd have to do an interview?
Speaker 2: No? No, oh. I got interviewed after the fight by him. Nah,
Speaker 2: it was just the media media interview. Yeah, but it
Speaker 2: was more he just sat there watched the fights. I
Speaker 2: think he just bases it purely on a performance standpoint.
Speaker 2: If you, if he thinks you've got what it takes.
Speaker 1: So what do will you reckon? From your point of view?
Speaker 1: From Jack's point of view, would have impressed him. Stand up,
Speaker 1: like you on the ground, where were you stronger?
Speaker 2: Well? The fight so it was a three round five
Speaker 2: it was. It was mainly striking, but then there was
Speaker 2: a few times where it hit the ground. I was
Speaker 2: able to get back to my feet and then yeah,
Speaker 2: I just sort of kept pushing. I just kept pushing
Speaker 2: right up until the final bow. You know, even the
Speaker 2: last ten seconds. I was just giving it all, like
Speaker 2: throwing everything but the kitchen scene Caden basically, and I
Speaker 2: think that's what he appreciated. I got stuck in some
Speaker 2: bad positions and I was able to get out of them.
Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, I think Dana liked.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, because I mean when you're being pretty modesty.
Speaker 1: So but I mean when i've I've watched some of
Speaker 1: your I watched them in Perth, not last year before,
Speaker 1: obviously not last year, missed out last year were having
Speaker 1: an operation, but we had an oration, but the year
Speaker 1: before and and your style is that you're sort of
Speaker 1: all over them, you know, like you're not letting anyone
Speaker 1: get a break. Yea, you know your yours, throwing punches,
Speaker 1: whatever you're on, you're on the whole time. That seems
Speaker 1: to be a style to me is that you and
Speaker 1: as a personality, I mean you that type of do like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop you you have to kill.
Speaker 4: Me to stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Basically I'm a pretty calm person. But yeah, in
Speaker 2: the fight, I feel like getting in there, you've just
Speaker 2: got to I always look at it as and my
Speaker 2: coach has already said, like you've got to damage the
Speaker 2: opponent and get on them and push the pace, like
Speaker 2: you don't have a long time in there, so you've
Speaker 2: just got to make things happen. So yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: I try, And just push a strong pace and try
Speaker 2: and damage my opponent.
Speaker 1: Do you are you one of those people, those top
Speaker 1: of fighters who you see an opportunity in the moment
Speaker 1: as supposed to planning it. Yeah, and you're ready to
Speaker 1: quickly mentally to take the opportunity really quickly, are you?
Speaker 4: So you've got quick reflexes relative.
Speaker 2: To what you see. I think what's in front of you?
Speaker 2: I think, So I find what's in front of me,
Speaker 2: it take the and yeah, I take the even if
Speaker 2: it might be risk. You know, I like to take
Speaker 2: the risk, to risk it for the biscuit, you know,
Speaker 2: for the opportunity presents itself. I feel like you've got
Speaker 2: to take it otherwise that opportunity is gone, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think there's going to be opportunities so
Speaker 2: I can push it and try and take him out.
Speaker 1: Can you explain to all the non professional fighters and
Speaker 1: about when someone tries to take you down like in
Speaker 1: the shoot for you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is.
Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty dangerous if you're the person going to
Speaker 1: cop it, like you know, if they're good at it
Speaker 1: and they put you on the ground, you're in trouble.
Speaker 1: But there's also danger for them too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then you might uppercut them, or you could put
Speaker 4: an need in which you.
Speaker 2: Did the perfect Yeah, the perfose someone shooting in their
Speaker 2: heads pretty low, so that upper cut up the middle
Speaker 2: or then the knees. The good shot can be risky
Speaker 2: though if you miss, if the knee didn't land, then
Speaker 2: it would pretty much for sure he would get me down.
Speaker 1: So that's what I want to know, Jack, Do you
Speaker 1: would you go through like a like a quick analysis
Speaker 1: or you or you were so experienced I know that
Speaker 1: I'm going to take the shot no matter what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, it was more just yeah,
Speaker 2: as I said, just risk it. You know, you've got
Speaker 2: to pull. You've got times like that, you've got to
Speaker 2: pull the true And the worst thing that would have happened,
Speaker 2: the knee wouldn't have landed. He would have got a
Speaker 2: hold of me and I would have ended up on
Speaker 2: my back again, which obviously is an ideal. But the
Speaker 2: best thing that could have happened is the kneelands flush
Speaker 2: and he goes down and he can't recover.
Speaker 1: So so during the period when you're when you're physically
Speaker 1: recovering after because obviously there was a long process of
Speaker 1: recovery and number of operations or a number of.
Speaker 4: Surgeries, et c.
Speaker 2: You didn't have.
Speaker 1: Do you sort of sit around thinking, Okay, my next
Speaker 1: opponent might be looking at me saying, well, Jack likes
Speaker 1: to stand up and go for go hard, for it,
Speaker 1: total tonially and will be all over me like a
Speaker 1: bad suit. So I got to somehow slow slow the game, takedowns,
Speaker 1: time on the floor. I got hold here. You can't
Speaker 1: move picking up points basically, do you? And then you
Speaker 1: think you, oh, should I better? Maybe a better ring?
Speaker 1: Someone up and get some I know you're resting coaches anyway.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Jay, you've got your black belt.
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 4: Straight after that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how's your brother Phil? Yeah? Yeah he's good.
Speaker 4: He's sweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's sweet.
Speaker 1: He's did he say does he say to you? Because
Speaker 1: he's brown? Be Yeah, let's let's look can I.
Speaker 4: Now, let's let's try out and see if I can
Speaker 4: get a black belt?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, he will get there very soon, I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, timing, you really have im pressure you're training. You know,
Speaker 4: after that, he gave you the.
Speaker 1: Black belt, So that's pretty cool, especially if you didn't
Speaker 1: do it with the in the ring.
Speaker 4: That's unreal.
Speaker 1: But so do you think to yourself. Do I need
Speaker 1: to do more more floor training or is it just
Speaker 1: a part of the program. You do it anyway every
Speaker 1: other day or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: I do it anyway. It's part of the program, but
Speaker 2: it is. Yeah, A big focus of mine is working
Speaker 2: on the ground game. You know, you've got to work
Speaker 2: on I guess your weaknesses. You know, got to work
Speaker 2: on your weaknesses. You've got to work on your strengths
Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, there's nothing worse than going into
Speaker 2: fun then just getting held down, and yeah, getting held
Speaker 2: down not being able to get up, it's a pretty
Speaker 2: terrible feeling. So I just work every day, really a
Speaker 2: lot of grappling training, how to get up, submissions, the
Speaker 2: whole lot.
Speaker 4: And how do you feel like?
Speaker 1: Obviously a black belt, but that's that's sort of slightly
Speaker 1: different went on the floor in the in the mm
Speaker 1: A game. How do you feel about your your your
Speaker 1: your game, your ground game is getting better and better?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely feel like it is getting better. I
Speaker 2: feel like I can hang with the best in the
Speaker 2: world on the feet on the ground, and that's what
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to build on, trying to but also
Speaker 2: I don't want to compete with them on the floor.
Speaker 2: I just want to be in a perfect world. Just
Speaker 2: stop them, get them strong hips, buck them off whenever
Speaker 2: they should, and then keep the fire standing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that's that's a good place for you to be.
Speaker 4: You're really confident.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel comfortable, feel calm, and I feel in
Speaker 2: control on the feet.
Speaker 1: Because that brings me to sort of chef cat like.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you call him out
Speaker 1: or something. Did you if you've got an X and
Speaker 1: have a come on dude?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Straight after the fight with Burns called them in
Speaker 2: after and I thought this is the time.
Speaker 4: And he responded by saying, your bravery or something like that.
Speaker 4: But I'm going to do to you what I've done
Speaker 4: everything something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how do you how do you I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you've got to get through this event in March,
Speaker 1: but how do you plan for someone like Shove cut
Speaker 1: Lake like and or Blao. I mean, how do you
Speaker 1: plan for that?
Speaker 2: Do you?
Speaker 4: Are you doing that?
Speaker 1: Or you just take one fight at a time.
Speaker 2: I focused on one fight at a time, get through
Speaker 2: this fight and then keep you going. But I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: just keep just trying to get one percent better every
Speaker 2: day and every aspect of the game. You know, that's
Speaker 2: it just getting better on the floor, getting better with
Speaker 2: the striking, the whole lot. Keep get yeah, one percent
Speaker 2: better every day.
Speaker 1: So because that's funny, you should say that, because I
Speaker 1: was when I was interviewing Drink as he was, he
Speaker 1: had already in his mind plans about you know, after
Speaker 1: he defends his title on a number of times successfully
Speaker 1: of course going up a division even and and you know,
Speaker 1: digging up against Alex Prero, which is it's a big call.
Speaker 1: But planning like why ahead? Why ahead? Do you ever
Speaker 1: get people put pressure on you to start to think
Speaker 1: that way?
Speaker 4: Or is it or is it better for you?
Speaker 1: Do you think your style just to go one transaction
Speaker 1: at a time? Please, thanks very much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously having long term goals is important,
Speaker 2: but there's no one really, yeah, who puts too much
Speaker 2: pressure on me long term. But I like to focus fight,
Speaker 2: fight at a time, the big challenges fight. So you
Speaker 2: go in there finding someone that they've put so much
Speaker 2: time and effort into this. So and it all comes
Speaker 2: down to what happens on the moment, and anything can happen,
Speaker 2: Anything can happen, anyone can win, crazy things happened. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I just focused one fight at a time. So how
Speaker 2: we get Let's get this one out of the way
Speaker 2: and then move on.
Speaker 1: So if if somehow I've got announcer, chef Gutt and Bala,
Speaker 1: We're going to do it up. Yeah, how would Who
Speaker 1: are you going to win out of that one?
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's an interesting fight. Really, it's hard
Speaker 2: to gauge. I think Shavka is shown that he's more
Speaker 2: of a vicious sort of finisher that finish. He's got
Speaker 2: that strong finishing instinct. But Lah was someone that's more
Speaker 2: going to push a pace, can hold you down. I
Speaker 2: sort of just grind out a fight. So it's an
Speaker 2: interesting one. It's a real interesting fight. I would. I
Speaker 2: would have to think Shafka. I think he's been on
Speaker 2: a pretty good tear. But his last fight was a
Speaker 2: bit quite more of a quiet fight. But you do
Speaker 2: get those. He's finished everyone, so I think Shavka would
Speaker 2: get that. I think he will beat him.
Speaker 1: How important was it for you when you fought in
Speaker 1: Perth to be in front of your home crowd?
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, it was a dream.
Speaker 4: It was really mental. I was there, they went mental.
Speaker 2: It was mental. Yeah, it was a dream come true
Speaker 2: as well. Even just to fight in Australia would have
Speaker 2: been incredible. The first fight in Australia in Perth and
Speaker 2: the crowd that day were absolutely booming. You know, we
Speaker 2: had such a big fight having Vulcan Islam. That's a
Speaker 2: massive like pound for pound, like that's the greatest fight
Speaker 2: you could have had at the time, and so the
Speaker 2: crowd just got right behind it. And then yeah, going
Speaker 2: out there was the local guys just and then putting
Speaker 2: on a good performance and getting a clean victory. It
Speaker 2: just was, yeah, dream come true.
Speaker 1: And when you when you watched vulgu fight, do you
Speaker 1: do you stand back and then obviously he was a
Speaker 1: champion at the time, and do you stand back and
Speaker 1: watch someone like him and watch how he how he
Speaker 1: took that fight like you know, click, he got in
Speaker 1: some precarious positions, but he was just you know, getting
Speaker 1: the choke off him. He was smiling up against the
Speaker 1: why like you know, like it was unfrecking believably cool,
Speaker 1: like like it was ridiculously so ausy.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's still playing with him really like talking to him,
Speaker 1: laughing at him. Yeah, I mean, how do you how
Speaker 1: do you feel as an Aussie like and he probably
Speaker 1: mates it. He is like, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: How do you feel when you watch that ship?
Speaker 2: That was inspiring, you know for sure, like the Dagistani
Speaker 2: wrestler that like nobody could nobody could really mess with him.
Speaker 2: If he gets you down, it's over. And Volk's just
Speaker 2: he was just having a grade all time. And then
Speaker 2: totally yeah, and then the last round finishing with Islam
Speaker 2: on his back, just absolutely wailing.
Speaker 1: An another twenty seconds, Yeah, I was just yeah, I
Speaker 1: was wishing for another twenty seconds. I just reckoned he
Speaker 1: would he would have done the job he was.
Speaker 2: I think Islam had done, he had done his work
Speaker 2: for the day and he clocked out and Volk was
Speaker 2: still he was still on you know, so yeah, we
Speaker 2: just need another twenty seconds, I thought, Volk one. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it was the crowd, but yeah, it
Speaker 2: was inspiring just seeing like a I was a legend
Speaker 2: like Volk stepping up weight class above pound for pound
Speaker 2: bess and just putting on an absolute killer of performance.
Speaker 2: It was inspiring back.
Speaker 1: There, bloody masterclass of entertainment too. By the way, how
Speaker 1: important is it for you? I was Putting another way,
Speaker 1: how do you dial into the entertainment factor of the
Speaker 1: whole thing? Because you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you're getting paid everyone, everyone who's in the knockdo gets
Speaker 1: paid to win or fight the best put on it.
Speaker 1: But it's about not an athletic performance, but it's also
Speaker 1: the general performance. So there's you are part of an
Speaker 1: entertainment factor. Yeah, I mean it just happens to be
Speaker 1: one of the great in my view, one of the
Speaker 1: greatest entertainment for sports in the world. But not just
Speaker 1: because strainers just generally I love it, But that's a
Speaker 1: personal view. How do you respond to that, Like, how
Speaker 1: do you sort of play that? Like, you know, Volk
Speaker 1: has your songs and you know that I think is
Speaker 1: men at Work or one of those songs he has
Speaker 1: coming out?
Speaker 4: How do you play into that?
Speaker 2: What do you do? I just try and leave it
Speaker 2: to the I try and leave it to the fighting,
Speaker 2: you know. I try and just be pretty low key.
Speaker 2: But then I want to have like a if all
Speaker 2: said and done, I would just love to have a
Speaker 2: style that the fans love to watch, in a nice,
Speaker 2: clean style that people like to watch. I don't really
Speaker 2: need to be the person that wants to go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: talk a whole lot of talk bad about anyone. I
Speaker 2: just want to have a nice, clean style that the
Speaker 2: fire fans enjoy. My eye.
Speaker 1: I was to describer, and I'm just one person advise.
Speaker 1: Describe your your style, I would say willin. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: a willing style like no backward steps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all over you, all over you, bother?
Speaker 4: What do you think about Duplessy and the Strickland? What
Speaker 4: do you what do you thinking about that?
Speaker 2: What do you reckon? That's going to go? It's an
Speaker 2: interesting fight. I think it will be pretty similar to
Speaker 2: the first one. I think Drickis will win just through
Speaker 2: more activity, more power strength. I think it will be
Speaker 2: a similar fight. I think Strickland's very good. He's very
Speaker 2: defensively sound, he doesn't really use his feet too much.
Speaker 2: And Drickis is a sort ofgether that will use his
Speaker 2: fee and he will lun Jau is pretty unpredictable. But
Speaker 2: it's an interesting fight. True to those guys have very
Speaker 2: interesting styles, both of them. So it's a yeah, it's
Speaker 2: an exciting fight.
Speaker 1: Made good luck in London. That's going to be a ripper.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch it. And and as you
Speaker 1: say it's going to be a very exciting Sunday this weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, cheers Mouth, thank you,