WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 30 January

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<v Speaker 1>From the sky in Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Charwy you join us on a tough night.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some news that is coming out of Washington, DC.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've had the helicopter and the plane the

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<v Speaker 1>collision that took place quite a few hours ago. The

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<v Speaker 1>main headline on the Australian's website right now is that

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<v Speaker 1>there are, according to their information, God bless their souls,

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<v Speaker 1>no survivors in relation to what has taken place in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Our worst potential fear here is it sixty four people

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<v Speaker 1>have died. Sixty people were on the flight from Kansas

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<v Speaker 1>to Washington, d C. There was at least three crew

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<v Speaker 1>members that were on the Army Blackhawk helicopter. Fox News

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<v Speaker 1>is reporting in this hour and it's just gone five

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<v Speaker 1>am in Washington, DC, as it's nine pm on Sydney, Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 1>Canberra at time APM in Queensland. They are reporting that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not referred to as a standard black Hawk helicopter.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously the consequences will become a lot clearer. Sunrise is

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<v Speaker 1>due in Washington officially in the next two hours first light.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll obviously be slightly before that. The rescue efforts happened

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<v Speaker 1>going all night. That weather is about one degree and

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<v Speaker 1>I've just received a message from our production team, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, that there is going to be a briefing

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<v Speaker 1>from the Mayor of Washington, DC at seven thirty local times,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's another two and a half hours so before

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<v Speaker 1>midnight here in Australia. We'll get more information. If I

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<v Speaker 1>know anything more between now and the end of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously I'll bring in more information and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>have a chat to a pilot about what you do

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<v Speaker 1>when you see something coming towards you. Are you able

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<v Speaker 1>to make the evasive action? Is it something that you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to wait for somebody to give you permission to do.

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<v Speaker 1>What role does the tower play in all of this?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the biggest story that's happening in the world. There's

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<v Speaker 1>huge stories that are happening here at home, including what

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<v Speaker 1>Charry just broke to you about the specific locations that

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<v Speaker 1>were left on the note inside the caravan with the explosives.

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<v Speaker 1>On top of that, people are being released as we

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<v Speaker 1>speak by their captors in Hamas. These are live shots

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<v Speaker 1>of three people that are being released in the process

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<v Speaker 1>of it is a twenty year old woman who was

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<v Speaker 1>taken from the idea of surveillance unit in an army

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<v Speaker 1>base on October the seventh. One is also a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine year old woman who was taken from their home

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<v Speaker 1>on October the seventh, and one is a seventy nine

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<v Speaker 1>year old now eighty year old man who was taken

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<v Speaker 1>from his kibbutz again on the day when we know

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<v Speaker 1>more and we see more pictures, but when one of

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<v Speaker 1>the emphasis of the Israeli government was to end hamas

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<v Speaker 1>fairly Obviously, the slow release of the hostages and the

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<v Speaker 1>number in which people are carrying the flags, holding the uniforms,

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to send a message about what power they

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<v Speaker 1>still have over the region. But obviously this is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the process. As people leave every few days, three

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<v Speaker 1>more out. We will tell you more about that as

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<v Speaker 1>it all rolls on. Plus, I'm going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>chat to somebody in and around the beer brewing community

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<v Speaker 1>of Australia about our conversation about excise. Now, as I've

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<v Speaker 1>spanged on about all week, sixty three percent of bottle

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<v Speaker 1>of Bundy rum that's tax. It's a little less, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's still a lot. When we're talking about beer. How

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<v Speaker 1>do we fight it. The sneaky taxes, we'll talk about that,

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<v Speaker 1>and remember Chris Bowen's promise that you'll be able to

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<v Speaker 1>buy whatever car you want under the new environmental rules. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what, there's a good chance he was lying. On

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<v Speaker 1>top of all of that. Big weather issues were taking place,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in the north of Queensland, in and around Cans

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<v Speaker 1>A little higher, a little lower. How's this? There was

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<v Speaker 1>so much rain that in some parts. In fact, at

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<v Speaker 1>mant Sofia nine hundred and twenty five millimeters the best

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<v Speaker 1>part of a meter of rain had fallen in just

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours eight hundred and seventy three not too

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<v Speaker 1>far from there as well. Here's the latest coming from

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<v Speaker 1>the emergency officials in that part of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>The threats not over. We asked the community up there

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<v Speaker 2>to stay in contact with our alerts because as this

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<v Speaker 2>tropical low forms and moves back towards the coast, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see pretty well similar rainfalls again, if not more.

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<v Speaker 1>The local officials, of course, they want you to stay

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<v Speaker 1>across all the information that's coming from local council as

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<v Speaker 1>well as local radio. We'll try to give you the

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<v Speaker 1>information air support all night here on Sky News, but

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<v Speaker 1>it on Fox still Flash or Free to Wear Las.

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<v Speaker 3>One of cyclone Jash Park, which some of our residents

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<v Speaker 3>still haven't actually got over. They still have houses in disrepair,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's going to be quite traumatic if we happen

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<v Speaker 3>to have another event.

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<v Speaker 1>Poor buggers for an explanation of what exactly was behind

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, and yet I get it. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>way that things work, and sadly it's the tragic tale

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<v Speaker 1>of a country that has always been subject to the

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<v Speaker 1>foibles of the weather. Here is the latest from Sky

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<v Speaker 1>on New's Weather our twenty four hour Weather channel.

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<v Speaker 4>Four hundred and nine millimeters in the last four days

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<v Speaker 4>and the potential to see up to a meter by

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the week. We do have right now

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<v Speaker 4>a tropical low and a well developed monsoon trough continuing

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<v Speaker 4>to allow these storms to fire up and produce heavy rainfall.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, speaking about weather in the broader issues of climate,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that lefty people, whenever there are events like this,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to say the same thing over and over again,

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<v Speaker 1>climate change.

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<v Speaker 5>Of climate change, climate change, climate chain, climate.

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<v Speaker 1>Change, climate change, climate change, the promise meaning that if

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<v Speaker 1>you follow what they want to do, then somehow the

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<v Speaker 1>weather will change. The only problem is that even if

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<v Speaker 1>Austrated did everything that the lefties or the un wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>we will not change the weather. Why because, as we

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<v Speaker 1>have shown you many times, independent group the tracks each

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<v Speaker 1>nation and how much that it produces. When it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to CEO two, you can see that China, the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the world, the United States, India, or a whole

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of other places weigh in front of us Australia

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<v Speaker 1>one percent of the world's problem. Of course, we're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be hitting the zero of one percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>world's problem. By twenty thirty the government has signed into

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<v Speaker 1>legislation forty three percent of one percent of the world's problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of the way they were going to get there

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<v Speaker 1>was a piece of legislation which we were told was dead,

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<v Speaker 1>buried and cremated. It was gone, it was not to return.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a bad deal. It's called nature positive. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this has been building for some time. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>deal that was done between the government and the Greens,

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<v Speaker 1>Pocock and the rest. There was a pathway through the parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>But because the devil is always in the detail, and

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<v Speaker 1>people were aware of what the detail was.

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<v Speaker 2>Whole idea of this nature positive bill. There's nothing positive

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 6>I might just say it's effectively putting the foxes in

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<v Speaker 6>charge of the chicken coop. It's going to be a

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<v Speaker 6>wet blanket over the WA economy and that would be disastered,

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<v Speaker 6>not just for the WA economy, with the national economy

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<v Speaker 6>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>They killed the legislation. They also killed the legislation because

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<v Speaker 1>the leader of Western Australia said, please don't do this

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<v Speaker 1>until after I'm potentially re elected in a few weeks time.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, Roger Cook said that he'd spoken of

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<v Speaker 1>the highest levels of the federal government to reiterate his

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<v Speaker 1>view that the bill in its current form should not

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<v Speaker 1>be progressed. Why because one of the reasons why West

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<v Speaker 1>Australia was one of the strongest states that voted no

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<v Speaker 1>at the referendum that Anthony Abeneasy was pushing for half

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<v Speaker 1>a billion dollars a couple of years ago. That was

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<v Speaker 1>his priority when cost of living was out of control,

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<v Speaker 1>when his government was taking fifteen hundred dollars off ten

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<v Speaker 1>million workers. Remember how all of this was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>go well. Of course, the Cultural Heritage legislation, which meant

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<v Speaker 1>that it was virtually impossible to do anything to major

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<v Speaker 1>properties or even your property in Western Australia were so

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<v Speaker 1>heavily rejected that even the people who introduced the legislation

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<v Speaker 1>who now have left the Parliament have now acknowledged there

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<v Speaker 1>was a bad piece of legislation. Those that are critical

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<v Speaker 1>of nature positive have said that it is a backdoor

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<v Speaker 1>way of achieving exactly the same thing, this time not

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<v Speaker 1>under the cover of Aboriginal heritage, but instead about trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do our bit to cut forty three percent of

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<v Speaker 1>one percent of the world's problem when China, remember, can

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<v Speaker 1>pollute thirty times more than we do, and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to pull in their heads at all until at

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<v Speaker 1>least twenty thirty, and then zero is not twenty forty

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<v Speaker 1>or twenty fifty, but is allegedly twenty sixty, as if

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<v Speaker 1>any of the politicians that signed the deals now will

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<v Speaker 1>be around to enforce that or punished China when it

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<v Speaker 1>inevitably does not hit such a mark. But because we

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<v Speaker 1>have a Prime minister who has always been the type

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<v Speaker 1>of each way on something where understands that his government

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<v Speaker 1>will both write the legislation and pull the legislation that

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<v Speaker 1>he also needs to make sure that people on his

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<v Speaker 1>left flank who will not have to live with many

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<v Speaker 1>of the consequences of this legislation, well, he still wants

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<v Speaker 1>them to either vote Green and then preference the Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 1>or ideally vote for the Labour Party first. So we

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<v Speaker 1>noticed at the time that the Prime Minister did not

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<v Speaker 1>say that this thing was gone. He did not say

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<v Speaker 1>that this thing will not be reintroduced. Instead, our assumption

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<v Speaker 1>was that they would either find a way to do

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<v Speaker 1>it before the next federal election. But that was when

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't think Parliament was coming back. The Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>dragging and trying to avoid an election for as long

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<v Speaker 1>as possible for the most obvious of frightened reasons, might

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<v Speaker 1>have a chance to put it back into the Parliament

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<v Speaker 1>and well live up to the deal that he'd already done.

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<v Speaker 1>This could be in place by election time. But mark

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<v Speaker 1>your words, if they get re elected, especially with the

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<v Speaker 1>Greens being the dog that's going to wag the tail,

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<v Speaker 1>they were most certainly introduce it. And this is a

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<v Speaker 1>big issue in Western Australia. As I've showed you in

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<v Speaker 1>chapter and verse about the number of marginal seats in

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<v Speaker 1>Western Australia. The Labour Party is only able to form

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<v Speaker 1>a majority because of how well it did in Western Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Electoral gravity would suggest they could lose a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>the four seats that they won over there, and that

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<v Speaker 1>would of course push them into minority. And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit about the Prime Minister and what he thinks is

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen at the election that will shock you

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment or two time. But while downder the

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<v Speaker 1>front page of the West Australian, they scream loudly. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Aberze's failure to say that this thing is dead, buried, cremated, gone,

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<v Speaker 1>not coming back, not two point zero, not a new version,

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<v Speaker 1>not a side door, is going to put him in

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<v Speaker 1>a world of trouble. As they have said about nature

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<v Speaker 1>positive put simply, this would ruin in part the West

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<v Speaker 1>Australian economy, including many of the seats Labour already takes

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<v Speaker 1>for granted, little ones, the ones they were able to

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<v Speaker 1>win at the last election. Now, interestingly, the West Australian Premier,

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<v Speaker 1>when asked about this today, has doubled down. Now, of

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<v Speaker 1>course he's in the middle of an election campaign, or

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<v Speaker 1>on his way to an election campaign, hoping for a

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<v Speaker 1>second term. Of that third term, I should say of

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<v Speaker 1>that Labor government. Well, let's have a look here. The

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<v Speaker 1>West Australia Premier has warned East Coast Lata sippers about

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<v Speaker 1>the nature positive laws. This was the Premier speaking today

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<v Speaker 1>in Western Australia about the laws that Albo might bring

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<v Speaker 1>in before the election, but beat your life he will

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<v Speaker 1>after the election. I hope you're paying attention WA. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm barracking for Wa. I'll stand up for Wa.

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<v Speaker 7>I always do, and on nature positive laws, I stood

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<v Speaker 7>up for WA.

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<v Speaker 1>Meantime, the opposition leader via The Nightly, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>subset of the West Australian newspaper, says here that the

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<v Speaker 1>nature positive laws are a two card trick. Dare I say?

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<v Speaker 1>And each way albow. Here is what the alternative prime

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<v Speaker 1>minister had to say, knowing that if he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>get even close to minority government, he's got a win

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<v Speaker 1>big in Western Australia. This could be the difference. As

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<v Speaker 1>we know in WA.

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<v Speaker 6>The Prime Minister's been playing this two card trick which

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<v Speaker 6>hasn't worked. And the fact is that the Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 6>I think is being deceitful with the population in wa

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<v Speaker 6>Wa and its economy thrives on mining and agriculture. And

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<v Speaker 6>we now find out that there's a secret deal that's

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<v Speaker 6>been signed between the Greens and the Labor Party about

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<v Speaker 6>introducing a bill which will stop mining in its tracks

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<v Speaker 6>in wa.

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<v Speaker 1>Pay attention, don't get annoyed after the election. Be aware

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<v Speaker 1>of what is happening right now, right now, because if

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<v Speaker 1>Parliament does come back for a couple of weeks, because

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<v Speaker 1>we might be towards an April or even later election,

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<v Speaker 1>they will have a chance to go back into the parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>If they do go back into the parliament, well, will

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<v Speaker 1>this be what they need to keep Green's preferences watch

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<v Speaker 1>this space Western Australia in particular, but also part of

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<v Speaker 1>the fight to cut forty three percent of one percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the world's global emissions. Australia is apparently going to well.

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<v Speaker 1>Has actually put in place a new regime to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that the cars that you want to buy are

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<v Speaker 1>either going to become more expensive or maybe potentially not available.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because they pollute too much. We look at the

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<v Speaker 1>figures today, top five cars that were sold in Australia

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<v Speaker 1>last year. Number one the Ford Ranger, big massive beautiful car.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm a old man, but I can still recognize

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<v Speaker 1>game game, recognize this game. I think they said thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, but you get my point. The toy out

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<v Speaker 1>of highlux. Anyone wants to give me one, I'll take

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<v Speaker 1>it in black. As long as it's got Apple car play,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be having a great old time. Or in Izuo

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<v Speaker 1>Zuo Dmax ut These are some of the cars. Mitsubishi Outlander.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's another one, but basically not a small car.

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<v Speaker 1>None of the top fives are anywhere near by catchbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and none of them are of course electric. And remember

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago when on the very same

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<v Speaker 1>day the government was increasing the tax on petrol tax

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<v Speaker 1>to now fifty cents per liter. They increased it. They

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to distract by saying, oh, you'll say hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars, no, thousands of dollars under these new environmental standards. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>and ridiculously there was a compromise on these things coming through.

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<v Speaker 1>But remember bowing in the electric car. Everything was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be excellent. This is the future now again. Can

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<v Speaker 1>I just say this, while I am a petrol head

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<v Speaker 1>and I love my V eights and brom brooms and

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<v Speaker 1>old school cars, and I'll hopefully own as loud a

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<v Speaker 1>one as I can before I die. I'm not anti

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<v Speaker 1>electric car. If it works for you, good luck to you,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. The acceleration pretty amazing. The electric moke that

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<v Speaker 1>might be coming out, that'd be a fantastic car for

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<v Speaker 1>me to drive around on the beach if I ever

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<v Speaker 1>get the chance to do so in Queensland or Western Australia. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>but as the market shows, the extreme majority of Australians

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<v Speaker 1>want the cars that they are currently purchasing to be

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that will do the job. Do the job

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<v Speaker 1>as a trainee, do the job driving around a family,

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<v Speaker 1>or do the job towing something when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>a caravan, boat trailer or anything else. Well, you may

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<v Speaker 1>remember that as a way of trying to settle the

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<v Speaker 1>horses that were being startled, because were the cars that

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<v Speaker 1>Australians buying going to be the ones that you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be able to buy or would have a price increase

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<v Speaker 1>because of the rules. This is what Blackout was saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Car companies can continue to import any particular model they wish,

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<v Speaker 2>they must meet.

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<v Speaker 8>A standard across their entire fleet.

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<v Speaker 1>No model will be mandatory, no model will be banned.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you can trust him, right, like Casanova's never done

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<v Speaker 1>anything wrong, has he? I'll keep it alive for you, Rayd.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry Casanova Bowen Why because everything he touches. Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Canavan regular on the show Monday Nights. He couldn't hit

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<v Speaker 1>it harder about how bad the idea was, about how

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<v Speaker 1>the prices were going to go up, and he saw

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<v Speaker 1>everything that was coming. Guess what he was right? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I see today that there are lots of Australian cars

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<v Speaker 1>or people that are cars that are sold in Australia

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<v Speaker 1>the people like to buy that are now canceled. But

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<v Speaker 1>guess what they found remarkably a different way to achieve

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<v Speaker 1>the same goal. It's not the environmental rules. Instead, there's

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<v Speaker 1>new design rules that just happen to rule out many

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<v Speaker 1>of the cars that also are high polluting. Changing the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian design rules for passenger vehicles imported into Australia means

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of popular models will no longer be for sale.

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<v Speaker 1>This website had already reported about the news of the

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<v Speaker 1>Mitsubishiet motors basically getting rid of sixty percent of its range,

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<v Speaker 1>acting the Pajero Sport that'd be a big seven seed

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<v Speaker 1>of four wheel drive, the rather popular ASX, a small suv,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Turbo will plug in hybrid Eclipse Cross all

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<v Speaker 1>big cars. There's no manned. No one will be told

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<v Speaker 1>they cannot buy the car are with this hand and

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<v Speaker 1>this regulation. But with this hand and this regulation, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to say no, too arduous, and the car company

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<v Speaker 1>say they're not going to sell them. They're also not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be selling a Suzuki as well. So don't

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<v Speaker 1>you love the way they do this. They come out

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<v Speaker 1>they promise no one's going to be adverse as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of this decision, knowing that another decision is coming

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<v Speaker 1>down the pipe. In Canavan we trust, and obviously Canavan

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<v Speaker 1>often is right. But because they like to other him

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<v Speaker 1>and other us and other you and ignore the conversations

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<v Speaker 1>that we take place here, they'll say nothing to see here.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've got to do yourself and your mates a favor.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to take the content from this program at

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<v Speaker 1>skynews dot com dot au comes up a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>hours after the show, or definitely it's up by tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>or go to YouTube find sky News, find this editorial

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<v Speaker 1>this bit the thing I am saying now and post

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<v Speaker 1>it on your socials, Send it as an email to

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of mates. Read the word because surprise, surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>what we always knew was going to happen ends up

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<v Speaker 1>happening because they don't tell the truth. Speaking of, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get to the Prime minister who's getting rather cocky about

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<v Speaker 1>the upcoming election, which is a strange place for him

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<v Speaker 1>to be. Now he may know the secret source, he

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<v Speaker 1>may well have already gone to the part in the

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<v Speaker 1>book where he knows what the outcome is. But right now,

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<v Speaker 1>in just a couple of months before an election, the

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<v Speaker 1>polls aren't great. Instead, Pole's pretty good for Peter Dutton,

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<v Speaker 1>take your pick. Voters swing to Dutton as Australians expect

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<v Speaker 1>to be worse off in twenty twenty five, Dutton catches

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<v Speaker 1>Albanezi as preferred prime minister, or the majority of voters

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<v Speaker 1>tip of the coalition to win the next election. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. When you are the one who's on

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong side of those headlines, you're always going to

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<v Speaker 1>back yourself in. And it's one thing to say, look, Poles,

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<v Speaker 1>they come and go media. Whatever truth is, nothing is inevitable.

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<v Speaker 1>We will achieve what we want to achieve. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>real person's answer, right, because you've got to have the

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<v Speaker 1>self confidence. And I understand that everyone is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be standing for Parliament, including the independent that you've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of, is the feed inc be independent who will

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<v Speaker 1>probably get fewer votes, and even members of their family

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<v Speaker 1>they will, for a small period of time think they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to win. As for every major party candidate everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>they think there's going to be a chance. As for

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<v Speaker 1>all of the people inside all of the different political parties,

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<v Speaker 1>including the Tels that's a party by the way, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>think they're going to have a record election. Great confidence, confidence, confidence, Fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a very fine line between confidence and arrogance.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm pretty sure Australians don't like arrogance. Perfect example

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<v Speaker 1>of it though, is our Prime Minister. It's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>to be confident in the outcome of a federal election.

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<v Speaker 1>It is confident about what you know to be the

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<v Speaker 1>lines of attack that you haven't said yet, the television advertising,

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<v Speaker 1>the way that you'll try to promise, bribe and bs

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<v Speaker 1>your way to an election victory. Fine, be confident, But

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<v Speaker 1>he went on one of my mate's podcasts. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the Squizz podcast. The Squiz is a great podcast as

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<v Speaker 1>well as Squids as Squiz News, Squids Kids. I promote

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<v Speaker 1>all of them because good interesting listening about what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the world and interesting way of telling news

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<v Speaker 1>to your kids. Don't leave it all to the ABC.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what I told my mate Kate.

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<v Speaker 9>I think only labor can form government in our own right.

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<v Speaker 9>I can't see any path for Peter Dutton and the

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<v Speaker 9>Nationals for that matter, to get to seventy six.

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<v Speaker 1>No path. There's a very narrow path. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>very high hill. But the reality is that the maths

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<v Speaker 1>is clear. If both of the parties end up at

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seats, then there's a negotiation with the cross Bench.

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<v Speaker 1>Will they be able to find the six relevant votes

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<v Speaker 1>to essentially guarantee that they stay in power for at

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<v Speaker 1>least the start of the term or presumably the whole term. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the cross Bench would be big enough for that generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>though it is a more left leaning cross bench, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's not impossible to suggest, well, well, they'll probably go

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<v Speaker 1>this way. But then there's a collection of people that

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<v Speaker 1>will say because the teels represent places that used to

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<v Speaker 1>be liberal, they're probably going to end up going that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows where Catter or SHARKI are going to go,

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe things can push that way so we can

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<v Speaker 1>find six there. But to arrogantly say no path, that's

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<v Speaker 1>different than saying, look, I'm pretty sure I know that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to win the election, and let me tell

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<v Speaker 1>you why. But a bloke who says no path is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who is going to be blind to some

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<v Speaker 1>of the areas of attack they're going to be coming

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<v Speaker 1>from the opposition. Now, remember we showed you even left

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<v Speaker 1>wing journalists who say that the government may lose between

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<v Speaker 1>seven and ten seats, they can only lose a couple

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<v Speaker 1>before they start going into minority. A minority government is

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<v Speaker 1>very different than a majority government. So he could be

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<v Speaker 1>as full of himself as he likes, but he clearly

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<v Speaker 1>knows something that the polsters don't. And if he wants

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<v Speaker 1>to put his money where his mouth is, he could

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<v Speaker 1>put some money down with bookie. I don't know whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's legal to bet on yourself at an election, but

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<v Speaker 1>it will make a pretty penny. In fact, currently today's

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<v Speaker 1>odds for the Labor Party is more than two bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>so he gets one back for everyone he puts down.

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe a little more. Anyway, you get the

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<v Speaker 1>point the same when he goes over the lad Brokes,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter. All the big bookies they're all saying

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<v Speaker 1>right now Coalition favorites to win labor more than two dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, two twenty five blows out to two thirty ones.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a look at the lab Roke numbers and look,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't have the cash to put the bet down,

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<v Speaker 1>you can always ask the Prime Minister. I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 1>hardly skint. Didn't you just buy that joint for four

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<v Speaker 1>million bucks at the Central Coast? Because whatever he can.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it was a liberal who did it, it'd

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<v Speaker 1>be a mansion man and all the rest of him.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe the reason that he is so confident is

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps he already knows the outcome of the election. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>has already given him a spoiler alert. As we know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's very close to the Chinese, and by that I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the Chinese government, the CCP, the people who of

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<v Speaker 1>course put all of the weights on the information that

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<v Speaker 1>people learn back here in Australia and our very clever

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<v Speaker 1>digital team. Well done to Jack and Tim at Sky

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<v Speaker 1>Neese dot com that I use today. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>new AI thing which is freaking people out. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese version of what's out in America. They decided to

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<v Speaker 1>ask some questions about the upcoming election, and the Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>AI says that Albanese is the better choice for prime minister.

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<v Speaker 1>Prompted to Skuy by Sky News as to which leader

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<v Speaker 1>would better serve the interests of China, the chatbot said

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<v Speaker 1>mister Aberenesi was Beijing's number one pick. Anthony Abernesi would

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<v Speaker 1>likely be China's preferred choice, says the AI bot. His

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<v Speaker 1>government has shown a willingness to engage diplomatically and prioritize

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<v Speaker 1>economic ties while addressing security concerns. The write up, however,

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<v Speaker 1>for Peter Dutton is that he is to be more

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<v Speaker 1>adversarial by the Chinese, a little hawkish when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to China and our national defense. Dutton's emphasis on defense

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<v Speaker 1>security and aligning closely with the US could make him

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<v Speaker 1>a less favorable leader from China's perspective. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>China would do nothing, nothing at all to have influence

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<v Speaker 1>over the local language media that has course signed off

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<v Speaker 1>by Beijing. I'll have nothing over the TikTok videos that

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<v Speaker 1>will or won't be favored. Of course, that'll be a

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory for me to even suggest it, because everything

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 1>China does is above board right now, as you will

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<v Speaker 1>have seen today, plenty more reaction to what we were

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<v Speaker 1>telling you last night about the police, the caravan and

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<v Speaker 1>the explosives. Charry markson tonight excellent reporting where she has

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<v Speaker 1>actually put some meat on the bone. In fact, if

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 1>we can move that up now, guys, that'd be great.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is this was her reporting about the locations that

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<v Speaker 1>were apparently mentioned in the note in the caravan found

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<v Speaker 1>what ten days ago, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Can tonight reveal the two targets of the caravan filled

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<v Speaker 7>with explosives. The addresses written down inside the caravan were

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<v Speaker 7>of the Great Synagogue in Sydney and the Sydney Jewish

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<v Speaker 7>Holocaust Museum.

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<v Speaker 1>And a little example about how the political leadership, including

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<v Speaker 1>the bloke who thinks will be the Prime minister after

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the current Prime Minister, is not up to it. This

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 1>was Jim Chalmers today. Remember how afraid the Jewish community

0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 1>is for the most obvious reasons, after the relentless intimidation

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and threats to their safety and damage to their property.

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<v Speaker 10>Look, this is obviously a terrifying development, and what it

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<v Speaker 10>shows is that the fears that a lot of Australians

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<v Speaker 10>in the Jewish community have are not always unfounded. And

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:49.959
<v Speaker 10>what it shows is that the fears in the Jewish

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.000
<v Speaker 10>community are not always unfounded.

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<v Speaker 1>What so a suggestion that there's been crying wolf for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, but now the wolf is actually there. What

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<v Speaker 1>a despicable thing to say. But this is a bloke

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:05.240
<v Speaker 1>who is despite the fact that he's factionately of the right,

0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.440
<v Speaker 1>this is another lefty. When there is a generational change

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>to this bloke or his like as leader, get ready

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 1>for a far more aggressive, far more left wing, far

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<v Speaker 1>more sort of Paloche or Andrew's style of leadership, not

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 1>the Chris Min's style of leadership. That's playing it out

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 1>in a bit of common sense in you so whilst

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<v Speaker 1>right now? Of course he said sorry, But of course

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't do it in front of a camera, he

0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't tweet it anywhere. He just said it to the

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<v Speaker 1>people who asked I apologize. My intention was to share

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<v Speaker 1>and acknowledge the very real and understandable fears of the

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Jewish community in the light of recent events. I could

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 1>have and should have expressed that more clearly, and I'm

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:45.880
<v Speaker 1>sorry I didn't. We didn't do it once, we did

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<v Speaker 1>it twice in fro had two different cameras at two

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<v Speaker 1>different times from the same spot, meaning you're meant to

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:57.400
<v Speaker 1>say it, yet just annoyed you got called out. As

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<v Speaker 1>for the actual investigation, another part that police seem rather

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 1>annoyed about today was the fact that we know about

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<v Speaker 1>this at all. Remember I'm pro cop and I give

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 1>them the benefit of the doubt, but they are starting

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 1>to push it when they're going after the media, who

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.479
<v Speaker 1>have every right to report on a legitimate story like this.

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<v Speaker 1>The investigations ongoing, as the Commissioner indicated, has been significantly

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<v Speaker 1>compromised by the media reporting on this, and.

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<v Speaker 8>They need to get on with doing their job without

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<v Speaker 8>people wondering what is happening.

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<v Speaker 11>We will brief the public when we have something material

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<v Speaker 11>to say.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, And a second, I'm going to talk to

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>a pilot about how you navigate close calls like obviously,

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 1>what you would try to avoid by what has happened

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:41.639
<v Speaker 1>in Washington, d C. What's it like to be in

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the cockpit, what do you do, how much are you

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:45.919
<v Speaker 1>in charge? Of versus what do you wait for the tower?

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 1>What are the sounds, what are the alarms? Real good

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.639
<v Speaker 1>insight into that. As the story breaks in the early

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.879
<v Speaker 1>hours of the morning, there that apparently no survivors. I

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>hope that to change and change for the better. But

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the early reporting and that certainly what's up right

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<v Speaker 1>now on the Australian website. More details at skynews dot

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<v Speaker 1>com dot au. A couple of other things worth mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in congratulations to the men and women of the police

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 1>and Victoria because they're getting a pay rise. They're getting

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>a bigger pay rise and the one the government was offering,

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 1>and that is in part because of the campaign that

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:15.919
<v Speaker 1>they have led. I'm pro cop. I'm pro cop because

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 1>these men and women, they run towards the situations that

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 1>are often the worst things that will ever happen to

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 1>anyone in their life. They do it all day, every day.

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.400
<v Speaker 1>They deserve their pay. They deserve more than what they've got.

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:29.680
<v Speaker 1>But four hundred and fifty million dollars deal four point

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 1>five percent annual pay increase over the next four years.

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 1>That's half a percent higher than the four percent that

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<v Speaker 1>was rejected by the members. Each year the police associations

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 1>say that industrial action taken by a police and the

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 1>PSOs will now cease in accordance with the announcement that

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>has just taken place. And what about very interesting, very

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 1>interesting take on the Northern Beaches of Sydney about what

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>their local federal MP, Zalie Stegel, of course, who defeated

0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Tony abbott ree elect did in twenty twenty two and

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:03.560
<v Speaker 1>would think that she's a good chance of being re

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 1>elected again. What's her response to the local council that's

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 1>got an awful lot of deals on it big times zalibackers,

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 1>that have increased the council rates on her constituents by

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 1>forty percent. Local governments are experiencing the same pressures on

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>their budgets as residents and small businesses with insurance, premiums, wages,

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 1>energy and construction costs continue to rise. So you're against

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 1>it or you're for it. I urge all local governments

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<v Speaker 1>proposing rate increases to do so in a manageable way

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 1>so that residents are not unfairly burdened and prioritize cost savings.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearest mud right, Oh, they're under the same financial precisces

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 1>as everyone else. Yeah, but if a business put up

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 1>their prices by forty percent, you'd be the first to

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>say these terrible profit making businesses. But because most of

0:29:57.920 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 1>those people on the council are going to be the ones,

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 1>they're going to try it back hurring at the upcoming

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 1>federal election. Softly, softly, this is a local matter. Change

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the subject climate change. Pe d Dutton's about you get

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the play. Meantime, some good reporting from the Daily Telegraph

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>about just how much money the Northern Northern Beaches Council

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 1>is spending on the upper each lines of the Northern

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Beaches Council. Remember I showed you last night people from

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 1>wanting the more than one hundred thousand dollars for jobs

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 1>that either I can't understand a one hundred thousand dollars

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>for pr jobs at the council while they're wacking it

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>up by forty percent. Northern Beaches Council fatcats are paid

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 1>more than almost any other senior council staff in Metropolitan Sydney,

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>a record spend of two point eight million dollars on

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 1>salaries while having just four senior staff last year. The

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three to twenty four Annual Report shows the

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Northern Beaches Council for senior staff with a total of

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>two point eight point four six eight seven seven million dollars.

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:57.000
<v Speaker 1>The figure does not include so on top of this

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>we now can take it to three point two because

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>for five hundred and forty four two thousand dollars you

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 1>get the renuneration package of the CEO. That person's paid

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 1>more than the premiere of New South Wales, certainly paid

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>more than the local backbencher, and almost paid as much

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>as the Prime minister. Oh, I know, but it's the locals.

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 1>It's the locals who've got to end up with a

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 1>forty percent rate rise. What a disgrace. Quick break back

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>with more lots of breaking news from the United States.

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Also what's playing out and Gaza right now? At everything

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 1>you need to know here at home. Also I'd love

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 1>to know who do you think is the winner and

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 1>loser of the week? Jump onto the Facebook page just

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 1>go searching for Paul Murray Life our Pilot about what's

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 1>happening in DC. We are again about ninety minutes away

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 1>from when the sun's going to come up there? Can

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>we take some light pictures from Gaza though, because the

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>release of three more Israeli hostages happening as we speak.

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Two of the hostages being put into cars before our

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.239
<v Speaker 1>very eyes. We'll try and take some live sound if

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>we can hear. Guys too happy to hear from another report,

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 1>hear some live sound if we can the engines. Now

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 1>three people are being released, two younger women and an

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>older gentleman. It is the two younger women that we

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>believe you are seeing the direct pictures of right now.

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Part of the hostage deal has been is that members

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>of the IDF, female members of the IDF, they will

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 1>be released first in this first phase of things, before

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 1>in the second phase of ceasefire, that's when male soldiers

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 1>will be released. The Red Cross have done the inspections.

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 1>They are the ones that are moving people on. But again,

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>I just want you to hear that the live sound

0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 1>as people are being handed over, plenty of supporters of

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the people who've kept them in captivity for almost five

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred days, cheering and waving their flags. The sounds of

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Hamas supporters is what you can hear. In about an

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>hour's time, you'll hear things from the Israeli side. But

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>this is Gaza right now. All right, we'll return to

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>that when there is a little more, we'll make sure

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>that we put it in what we call the box,

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 1>which means you'll be able to see the light pictures

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 1>while we are talking about everything else as it happens.

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>If there is any further dramas on top of the

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 1>obvious sense of relief that will be there for those

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 1>three people, and whether they are peacefully handed over, which

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>we would expect to be the case, you will see

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 1>all of that as we discuss things here. But as

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>we see what's happening in Garza, we know what's happening

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 1>in Washington, d C. Which is that the sun doesn't

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.879
<v Speaker 1>come up for another little while, but we know that

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:13.280
<v Speaker 1>an awful lot of people have died, and they died

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>in that collision between the Blackhawk helicopter and a small

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:19.720
<v Speaker 1>plane with about sixty people on it that was flying

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>from Kansas to Washington, d C. Barron Bailey is a

0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:26.320
<v Speaker 1>man who is well known to viewers here on Sky News.

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>He is a former pilot, or he's a pilot. You're

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 1>always a pilot. I think that's the case, like being

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>an Olympian, you are forever and I wanted to reach

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:35.759
<v Speaker 1>out to him about the experience and some of the

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>technical stuff here, because the tragedy is all very obvious. Byron,

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>give us an idea. When you're piloting an aircraft before

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 1>we get into the specifics of this aircraft and something

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 1>is flying towards you, are you putting trust in the

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.759
<v Speaker 1>tower to tell the thing flying your way to get

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 1>out of the way, or at what point are you

0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 1>able to use the controls to go up, down, left

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 1>or right.

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 5>Well, that's a tricky question because you're never going to

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 5>be in that situation. If you're above one thousand feet.

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 5>You've got a thing called TEACAS. It's collision avoidance system

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.720
<v Speaker 5>traffic avoidance system, and it will tell you to climb

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 5>or descend. And that's what happens in controlled airspace with

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 5>aircraft that equipped just clear the air. By the way,

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 5>former fighter pilot there, we got Triple seven, Captain, I'm

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 5>flying profit jets still, so he's.

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Still up up in a way. That's the main thing here.

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 5>Okay, sure we talk about first of all, the original airliner.

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you what the pilots did. They flew from Wichita.

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 5>They were cleared for the ils that's the instrument approach

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 5>on runway zero one at Reagan and National Airport. That's

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 5>quite a busy airport, not as busy as New York,

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 5>but it's still a pretty busy airport. Oh, you disappeared,

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 5>that's all right.

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 1>You'll see the pictures of that are going to wear,

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:06.399
<v Speaker 1>which are the original footage, so yeah, they're clear there.

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:10.479
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and turning right and the bright object you could

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.400
<v Speaker 5>see it's about to explode was the airliner. Now, what

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 5>happened was the airliner was coming in on an intimate

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 5>landing system for runway zero one, which is the long

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 5>runway at that airport. They then asked a sidestep right

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 5>onto runway three three, which involves a slight jink to

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 5>the right and then turnback left onto a heading of

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:36.719
<v Speaker 5>three three zero to land on runway three three. They

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:40.759
<v Speaker 5>had completed this, they were on short final below four

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.759
<v Speaker 5>hundred feet. Both pilots would have been looking ahead at

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 5>the landing zone, totally engrossed on what they were doing.

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 5>They wouldn't have been aware of the helicopter. Now, talking

0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 5>about air traffic control, a different frequency between the chopper

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 5>and the helicopter and the airliner. It's so busy there

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 5>that you have multiple controllers on different frequencies. But this

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 5>is a fairly common thing for these helicopters from the

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 5>military base to fly low level across the Potomac. There's

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 5>hundreds of flights to day. They're generally under five hundred feet,

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 5>so the only time they could ever conflict with an

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<v Speaker 5>airliner on approach is when the airline is on very

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<v Speaker 5>late final. What happened was the air traffic controller asked

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<v Speaker 5>the chopper pilot, can you see the regional jet on final?

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<v Speaker 5>The pilot of the helicopter said a pirmative, I can.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 5>The air traffic controller then said, pass behind. Now that's

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<v Speaker 5>a pretty simple instruction. The airline is basically occupied doing

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<v Speaker 5>an instrument approach and his head's down. He just did

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<v Speaker 5>every thing perfectly. The chopper he is on a C

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<v Speaker 5>and B seeing on visual flight rules. He should have

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<v Speaker 5>passed behind, but he didn't. One of the problems is

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<v Speaker 5>that it was a training flight. Now, helicopters are the

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<v Speaker 5>reverse of what happens in a airline. For example, the

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<v Speaker 5>captain or the pilot flying generally sits in the left seat.

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<v Speaker 5>In a helicopter, the training captain would have been in

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<v Speaker 5>the right sorry. The pilot under training would have been

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<v Speaker 5>in the right seat instead of the left. This was

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<v Speaker 5>a training flight. They were obviously lost sight. Said they

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<v Speaker 5>had the guy in their lost sight of the of

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<v Speaker 5>the airliner and flew into it. As far as I'm certain,

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<v Speaker 5>the pilots on the airliner did nothing wrong, they were perfect.

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<v Speaker 5>The air traffic control just did everything that he's done

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<v Speaker 5>hundreds of times. And you rely on military guys to

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<v Speaker 5>do the right thing, then me, being ex military, pretend

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<v Speaker 5>to be a little bit more do our own thing

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<v Speaker 5>at times.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, so give me a little bit of detail

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<v Speaker 1>here which obviously look full investigations, all of the full

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely hooted. What all of those moments Again, we find

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<v Speaker 1>out those as the days and months roll along, But

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<v Speaker 1>I would absolutely trust your sense of what's happened here.

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<v Speaker 1>A military helicopter and a flight that's a plane that's

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<v Speaker 1>a small regional airline. Do they have the black boxes

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<v Speaker 1>that the big aircraft have, meaning that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>form of data that we will get to see here.

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<v Speaker 5>The flight data recording, cockpit boys, recorder years the airliners

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<v Speaker 5>have that. It's all sort of modern. Even Ridge law

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<v Speaker 5>and private jets have them. I'm not sure about the

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<v Speaker 5>helicopter but this was definitely the military failing to obey

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<v Speaker 5>having told traffic atro they had the airliner in site.

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<v Speaker 5>It was up to them their responsibility to pass behind

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<v Speaker 5>as they were instructed to do, and they didn't. So that, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 5>will be the finding. And it happened a short final

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<v Speaker 5>into a major airport. It's very tragic, and the water

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 5>tempts tore their three degrees celsius. Anyone that survived the

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<v Speaker 5>actual plunge in the water would have actually hid from

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<v Speaker 5>thermal shock within a few minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, yeah, correct, I mean it's a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a one degree above let alone, as you say

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<v Speaker 1>that the below that it would be there with the

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<v Speaker 1>search that's going on. Byron, Thanks so much, mate, I

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciate it. I always love when Borron pops up

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<v Speaker 1>in our new services or here on the programs, are

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 1>in the documentaries. How good to have an inside word

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<v Speaker 1>there and inside about how it all works. Very grateful

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 1>to have that inside Quick break back with more. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about again tax on your beer and why howboy

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<v Speaker 1>should get rid of it?

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<v Speaker 10>A second.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I've been talking about the taxes that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know that you're paying, particularly when you just go

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 1>and do things like have a little drink at the

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:08.840
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, look forward to one on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we all know that for some time excess has

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<v Speaker 1>been part of the way federal governments hold the whole

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<v Speaker 1>joint together. But this federal government has upped the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of extra little taxes on everything from petrol to bottle

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<v Speaker 1>of booths up to the best part of forty something

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars. It's a difference between a budget surplus or

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<v Speaker 1>a deep deficit. And there is something in my view,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly that I don't like about going after people with

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<v Speaker 1>such a high rate of tax for doing little things.

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to have a drink at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day. Now there are businesses on the other side

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:44.320
<v Speaker 1>of this, and how much tax they are forced to

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<v Speaker 1>hand back to the federal Government's all part of the

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>conversation we need to have. Kylie Lethridge is with the

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<v Speaker 1>Independent Brewers Association and she joins us. Now, Kylie, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for the chat.

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<v Speaker 8>Thanks for having us.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul, Now, I can't stand XS taxes because it feels

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<v Speaker 1>to me like a sort of sneaky backdoor way of

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<v Speaker 1>constantly hitting people. Give us an idea with your independent brewers.

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<v Speaker 1>How much tax are they paying per bottle can or skewy?

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<v Speaker 8>Sure thing? It's a complicated scenario called the simple facts are.

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<v Speaker 8>It's one of the oldest taxes around excise in which

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<v Speaker 8>is the framework in which Australian beer, spirits and fuel

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 8>operates under. Wine operates under a separate arrangement called the

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 8>wet tax. It is, as I said, one of the oldest,

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<v Speaker 8>introduced originally as a syntax and increases twice a year.

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<v Speaker 8>We are now the third highest tax beer producing nation

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<v Speaker 8>in the world, and I'm not sure that that's something

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<v Speaker 8>to be proud of. The reason that it was introduced

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<v Speaker 8>to mitigate the health impacts of excessive consumption is now

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<v Speaker 8>our argument is we're way past that, and there's a

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<v Speaker 8>real need to relook at a fair and equitable playing

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 8>field for alcohol producers. Not saying that we shouldn't get

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 8>a free ride, but that we need a fair and

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:18.440
<v Speaker 8>equitable playing field. So it makes that quintessential be around

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 8>a barbecue at the local meeting place at the end

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:24.760
<v Speaker 8>of the day still affordable for the average Australian.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people absolutely understand that. You know, there's ways

0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 1>government can make money. But this seems to be a

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<v Speaker 1>sneaky one which has been being dial up for some time.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me an idea if you are a small brewer

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<v Speaker 1>operating in a country town, is what does this high

0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 1>amount of tax do to your business?

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<v Speaker 8>When you consider that our six hundred and seventy five

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<v Speaker 8>odd independent craft brewers around the country, as I said,

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<v Speaker 8>employing people meeting plays part of culture, part of community,

0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 8>very much part of community, are employing more than fifty

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:08.879
<v Speaker 8>one percent of the beer market. Should the trend continue,

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 8>those jobs are lost and those important meeting places are

0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 8>lost as well. And the more and more our nation

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:21.799
<v Speaker 8>experience is some of these challenges, the more and more

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:26.319
<v Speaker 8>those local meeting places are important and valued. Again, just

0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:30.280
<v Speaker 8>to reinforce the size and scale of who we are.

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<v Speaker 8>Craft brewers for decades have been leading the charge in

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<v Speaker 8>low and no alcohol with the adult beverage of moderation.

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<v Speaker 8>And when you consider that more than half of us

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<v Speaker 8>are producing one hundred thousand liters a year and less.

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<v Speaker 8>When you compare that to the large foreign known multinational

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<v Speaker 8>brews who are producing five hundred million and eight hundred

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 8>million liters, it's just becoming more and more difficult for

0:44:56.239 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 8>us to be able to succeed when you consider not

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.880
<v Speaker 8>only federal taxes and the fact that they're hyped twice

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.560
<v Speaker 8>a year and that long term, decades long legacy of

0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:10.360
<v Speaker 8>that tax, but also state tax is another legislation and

0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:14.160
<v Speaker 8>regulation that appiled up when a state or a federal

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:15.879
<v Speaker 8>government is in financial debt.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I know the answer, but I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>ask it anyway. Do you pay if I buy a

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 1>sixty from one of your brewers? Do I also pay

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:26.400
<v Speaker 1>GST on top of that?

0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 4>If you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so we have a tax on top of a

0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 1>tax that is existing right now.

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<v Speaker 8>Then absolutely that's the case, and as I said, has

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 8>been that way for many a decade. And when you

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<v Speaker 8>know also that we then in some instances pay another

0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 8>tax to get it out of one vessel and sell

0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 8>it in a different vessel, out of a tank into

0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:56.319
<v Speaker 8>a keg, out of a keg, into a bottle, into

0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:59.560
<v Speaker 8>a growler, and some other ways in which we distribute.

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 8>There are multiple layers of tax that we pay. And again,

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<v Speaker 8>one fifth of that full strength six pack.

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<v Speaker 7>Is taxed.

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<v Speaker 1>Just at right just a starting point, What reaction, if

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<v Speaker 1>any do you get to the calls that you've made.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that you know other parts of the industry

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:21.080
<v Speaker 1>are trying to make their point as well. Government's going

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:23.040
<v Speaker 1>to try to delay this for as much as possible.

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 1>But how to members of the public support the campaigns.

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<v Speaker 8>We've had enormous support in the last twelve eighteen months

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<v Speaker 8>to two years, Paul. We have researched done a few

0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:40.840
<v Speaker 8>years ago, the first research with the kind which actually

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:44.600
<v Speaker 8>ask consumers that you know, if you knew if you

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 8>knew that the beer was.

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<v Speaker 11>Made by an Austrained owned business, would it encourage you

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 11>to buy it over the foreign owned multinational or the

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:55.920
<v Speaker 11>supermarket home brand which many Austraints don't know exist.

0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:00.320
<v Speaker 8>And seventy four percent of those consumers in those focus

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 8>groups that absolutely they would buy local if they could.

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 8>We did some recent consumer polling in twenty twenty twenty

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 8>four late twenty twenty four which says sixty percent of

0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 8>soft voters would absolutely call for an agency investigation into

0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:22.000
<v Speaker 8>the beer market in Australia and would also want their

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 8>tax reduced on their standard beer. Again that point of

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 8>the pub so where Australians do know who owns their beer,

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 8>they absolutely support it where they can. But when you're

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.799
<v Speaker 8>facing a cost of living crisis, which we know we are.

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 8>Then those disposable dollars are just not there. We know

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 8>that from retailers and from our members. They might consumers

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 8>might be splashing out, but they're certainly drinking less than

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:50.200
<v Speaker 8>buying a four pack instead of a six pack. They're

0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:55.600
<v Speaker 8>buying individuals because they still want that flavorsome again handcrafted beer,

0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 8>but there's just not the disposable income to stretch to

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:03.839
<v Speaker 8>where they So we are calling on consumers as well

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:09.120
<v Speaker 8>as government of all sides and all shapes and colors

0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:12.640
<v Speaker 8>to be able to support o Australian owned independent craft

0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:14.920
<v Speaker 8>rulliance sector before there isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>One good stuff Coylie, thanks for the chat, look forward

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:19.040
<v Speaker 1>to staying in touch.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you, Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>Now a little reminder Sunday night. We've got to show

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:26.239
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0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:44.440
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0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:46.560
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0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.640
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0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:53.759
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0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:56.160
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0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:57.719
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0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:06.480
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