1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: I love a return you know, I love a return guest. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: So this guest is someone that we had on when 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,079 Speaker 1: Angie and I were doing the show, and I just 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: couldn't wait to get her back. April Helene Horton is 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: her name, but you might know her as a v Bodzilla, 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: And if you don't know who she is, go and 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: have a look right now. I think one of the 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: most inspirational people that I've ever met. I'm not saying 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: that in a cliched way. Even if she didn't do 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: what she does and who she is, she'd still just 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: be a rock chick who just rocks your world by 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: knowing her. I just for you know, you just feel 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: lucky to know some people and to be considered a 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: friend by them. 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: So I couldn't wait to get her back on, and 17 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: I get the scoop on something that's just launched, so 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: you're hearing about it if you haven't seen it on 19 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: and you don't know who she is, and you're hearing 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: about it for the first time. 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: Through her today right here. 22 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: So please enjoy April Helene Horton, aka the body Zilla. 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: The last time I had you on there was a 24 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: wei It was really two Girls One Pod. It was 25 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: actually three girls that day because you were our third 26 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: and Angie was here. 27 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: Now I've got you back all to myself. 28 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you've all start two girls with just 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 3: these two. 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: It's just us too, so and I'm really glad because 31 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: I love a returning guest and you were one of 32 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: our first guests on if not the first of the 33 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: two Girls one Pod, like it wasn't when it wasn't 34 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: just me and Angie and we were just like champion 35 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: to have you on. 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: So having you back because I adore you so much. 37 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: And in between that time and this time, we've met Irl, 38 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: We've hugged, we've eaten together, I've met your husband and 39 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: your child. 40 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: Yes, it was the best. How is my little boyfriend? 41 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: He is just glorious? Thank you? He is just the sweetest. 42 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 4: I actually did canteen Judy today before our child was that. 43 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: Oh it was so funny. It's just I actually do 44 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: I get because I work part time. 45 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 4: I get to have these occasional fun things that I 46 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 4: get to do lean into that mum life kind of stuff. 47 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: And he sort of he like came to. 48 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 4: The door and was just like hi, Mom, and I 49 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 4: was like I love it because you know, you hear 50 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 4: from other parents that at some point your kid's gonna 51 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: be like too cool to talk to you, don't tell 52 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 4: anyone you're my mum. And he's still not like he's 53 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 4: in that stage of being thinking. It's rad that I'm 54 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 4: there and. 55 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: He's like hi, and I'm just like, oh, it's so 56 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: bloody love. 57 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: And he's such a nice human, Like he's a person, 58 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: isn't he. 59 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 3: He gets that from him you. 60 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: Well, no, he gets her from his mum as well. 61 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: You both are beautiful people, and you're raising a beautiful 62 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: little human. I'm wearing the glasses now that he popped on, 63 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: and I have the most divine photo of him in like, 64 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: he's like a delicious looking human that you're just like, 65 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: let's exploit him and put him into modeling. 66 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing. 67 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 4: Well, so we always have funny conversations about this stuff. 68 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 4: So I feel really strongly about child safety online and 69 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 4: also about their privacy. So for me, I don't use 70 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 4: his image like on my public socials. I did used 71 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 4: to a few times. You know, I got him involved 72 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 4: in a couple of things because he loves to be 73 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 4: part of the spectacle of creating content which who wouldn't 74 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 4: look so fun? 75 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: Right? It's all it's all gland behind the scenes, isn't it. 76 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 4: But ilo, Yeah, but I'm conscious also of you know, 77 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: his digital footprint, his privacy, his safety because although I'm 78 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 4: certainly not at the scale of you know, other public 79 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: figures whose children are in the spotlight, such as you know, 80 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 4: he's not Northwest, but I don't want for him to 81 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 4: have to be subjected to the Internet any sooner than 82 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 4: he needs to be. And I also think that it's 83 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 4: important for you know, he doesn't at his age because 84 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 4: he's you know, he's he's quite young. He doesn't understand 85 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: what it means to put things online and what the 86 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 4: ramifications are that the internet is forever that kind of stuff. 87 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 4: And of course all the stuff I've posted is all 88 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 4: is all sweet stuff. 89 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: You know. 90 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: I wouldn't be the kind of person to post something 91 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 4: embarrassing anyway, hopefully, although parents never really know what's cool, 92 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: do they never? 93 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: You know? And he would consent to it because it 94 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: looks like fun, and then could also say, yeah, I was. 95 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: A child, I can't couldn't consent to. 96 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 4: Me, that's rightter in life, Yeah, it's not informed consent 97 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 4: if the person isn't capable of understanding what it actually means. 98 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 4: So the other afternoon he said, we were my friend 99 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 4: and I were doing our makeup at the kitchen table 100 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 4: and he was like, can you do my makeup? So 101 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 4: I did the most gorgeous, little glowy moment, just a 102 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: bit of you know, home beauty all over the face. 103 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 3: Everyone looks good with a bit of that. 104 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 4: Popped a little bit of you know, shimeria a shadow, 105 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 4: and did his brow. I was just you know, to 106 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 4: make him feel like he was part of all the 107 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 4: part of the action. Pop some lip gloss on there, 108 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 4: and took a picture just because I want to remember. Yeah, 109 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 4: he literally looks exactly like me when he has makeup on. 110 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 4: It's like, ye, he's uncanny, how like we look. And 111 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 4: he's I took the photo, he goes. 112 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: You get a filter of the younger you literally. 113 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 3: And he's like, are you gonna put that on the Facebook? 114 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: Mom? 115 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 4: And I was like, no, I'm not, but that's like cute. 116 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 4: So yeah, I definitely think I want to have all 117 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 4: those memories. And when he's old enough to have social media, 118 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 4: I'll be like, you're going to air drop you those 119 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 4: photos so you can post hashtag throwback. 120 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: You know, I'll capture the memories, but I don't need 121 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: to share them. 122 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: And I'm really glad that you're doing that. 123 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: And I have a lot of friends who have their 124 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: children online and I don't like it. I watch it 125 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: and I just think, oh, this makes me really uncomfortable. 126 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: And if you're anyone who's listening, you know, I'm not 127 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: talking people who have a really small following. 128 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 2: Maybe we have more than ten k. 129 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and your public, like I know, Clementine Ford never 130 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: shows her small Yes, she calls him, but in her Facebook, 131 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: she has a very private Facebook. 132 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: And she does show him and it's so. 133 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: Beautiful because we get to see him. It's you know, 134 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: obviously she's taking a risk, but she's doing it the 135 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: right way, I believe, Like, because we get to see 136 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: your family, gets to see your child who may not 137 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: be able to see them regularly, yes, in a you know, 138 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: in that kind of way, and everyone gets to comment 139 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: and blah. 140 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah. 141 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, it is especially people who are making money 142 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: off their children. 143 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 144 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think that Clementine absolutely is someone who 145 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 4: like that that approach. For certainly, I learned from that 146 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 4: because you know, I definitely saw from my point of 147 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 4: view that once we had a conversation about it, and 148 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 4: I was like, you're so right about that, And you know, 149 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 4: I do think that if you're gonna, yeah, share their 150 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: image and things like that, like there is a risk. 151 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 4: And I think certainly also from a safety point of view, 152 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: that I think probably applies much more in a much 153 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 4: more scary way for her because of the type of 154 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 4: very will we say, unhinged individuals who will sometimes comment 155 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: and the things they say. I think it's safer for 156 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 4: her to make that choice, absolutely so. But I definitely 157 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 4: would say that that same approach is like, that approach 158 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 4: has influenced what I do and how I do social media. 159 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: So for me, when I do post things same thing 160 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 4: private Facebook, there's a special list of people, which is 161 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 4: people who have actually met my child are on that list. 162 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: So even my personal Facebook friends who I'm like, I 163 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 4: only am friends with you because I knew you in 164 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 4: high school, they're not on that list because they're I 165 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 4: wouldn't invite into my house or have my kid hang 166 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 4: out with them. So that's kind of that's how I 167 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 4: measure that. That's my baseline. 168 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. 169 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: I have a personal one as well, and I have 170 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: a public one and with Facebook, with Instagram, it's just. 171 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: You know, all on and I'll put my kids up 172 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: all the time. And they're furry. They are furry. I 173 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: love it and no consent, not happy, but I don't care. 174 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: They're too cute. So I want to ask you. 175 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: There's something that you are doing and it's just launched 176 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: this week, so can you tell me and. 177 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: Our listeners all about it? Because this is a bit 178 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: of a scoop. 179 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: It is enough scoop. 180 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 4: You are you are definitely the first person two that 181 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 4: I've talked to about this, you know in this context. 182 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 4: I so I am part of the really incredible let's 183 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 4: get explicit campaigns. So basically the incredible as Me James. 184 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 4: Some of you might know her as the author of 185 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 4: the book Kinky History or have seen her online talking 186 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 4: about Kinky History, doctor as Maos. She is now basically 187 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 4: encouraged us to be part of it because we want 188 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 4: to take back our bodies, take control of our bodies, 189 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 4: saying enough is enough and put the narrative on what's 190 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 4: considered explicit, because what we've seen is that you know, 191 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 4: over the last few months, especially, this conversation around gendered 192 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 4: violence continues and people are not talking about it in 193 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 4: a way, especially the media, in a way that actually 194 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 4: says what's going on. We see over and over again 195 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 4: that media is publications and people are writing about the 196 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 4: issue as if it's somebody's fault, but never the person 197 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 4: who perpetrated the crime. So I think being able to 198 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: take back that narrative, being able to say, you know, 199 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 4: violence against women that happens every day, well. 200 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: Then let's have a calendar for every day. 201 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 4: So I got together with some really incredible, iconic, gorgeous 202 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 4: humans and we had a photo shoot. There was actually 203 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 4: two shoots. We did one on Gadgal Country in Sydney 204 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: and then there was one also numb in Melbourne where 205 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 4: you are gorgeous gal and so there was two groups 206 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 4: of talent. 207 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: We all got together. 208 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 4: We got to pick our own concept of like what 209 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 4: we were gonna shoot for lots of us that was 210 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 4: something that meant something to us. So when you see 211 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: my images, if you're kind of like, what does that 212 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 4: mean to you, oh, well I will tell you I 213 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 4: really wanted something powerful, something that almost went against what 214 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 4: you expect in terms of pushing back against the idea 215 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 4: that this you know that victims are the problem, that 216 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 4: you should be as someone who's a survivor of gender violence, 217 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 4: that you should have been smaller, you should have been less, 218 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 4: you should have you know, changed the way that you were, 219 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 4: rather than the person who perpetrated it not doing what 220 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 4: they did. Basically, the idea was that we would get 221 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 4: together create a calendar of important days. But instead of 222 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: them being the everyday, regular days that you mark on 223 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 4: the calendar, there are days where we know the data 224 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 4: says that gender violence, violence against women takes place more prolifically. So, 225 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 4: you know, I think I saw something the other day, 226 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 4: someone talking about the fact that on things like Grand 227 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 4: finals and you know sports, days of significance in sport 228 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 4: are often days where we see a rise in cases 229 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 4: being reported, or you know that the data says that 230 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 4: there are more instances of violence against women by men 231 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 4: on those days. 232 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: So we are. 233 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 4: Asking everyone to mark their calendar. We're going to give 234 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 4: you a gorgeous calendar. We're going to donate the profits 235 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 4: to give it Domestic and Family Violence Appeal and they 236 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 4: are I am just so excited by the talent and 237 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 4: the images. Sosha from Full Bloom Photography has just it 238 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 4: was the most incredible experience too. 239 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 3: It was really safe and beautiful. 240 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 4: We have the best time running around in our undies, 241 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 4: like during the day kind of you know, everyone was 242 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: getting their hair and makeup done. It was just you know, 243 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: very very Yeah, the girl moment, which was so fun. 244 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 4: And I think that, you know, we're really lucky to 245 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 4: have the opportunity to speak because I think that over 246 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: forty women this year have their voices taken away from 247 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 4: them and their lives, and so if we can turn 248 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 4: our expression of ourselves and our bodies into something so 249 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: powerful and also change that narrative, then that will be amazing. 250 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: That would be so amazing. Oh so I can't wait. 251 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 2: Can you tell us who else is in it? 252 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 3: Oh? I think I probably can so. 253 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: A couple of the incredible people that I got to 254 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 4: be on the shoot with include the beautiful Antoinette Latoufe, 255 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 4: who we absolutely. 256 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 3: Adore, love her, we do. 257 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 4: She was one of the incredible talent and we got 258 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 4: to also hang out and chat, which was great fun. 259 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 4: Maddie McCrae, if you are a follower of Hilarious Redheads 260 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 4: on the Internet, then you will know who Maddie McCray is. 261 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 4: Maddie's a comedian, actor all round, good Egg love her. 262 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 2: I don't know her. 263 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 4: Oh she's so, she's absolutely gorgeous. Who else the incredible 264 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 4: Bianca Hunt. If you know Bianca love yes, I'm for years, 265 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 4: She's gorgeous. 266 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: Of her for years. 267 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 4: One of the most incredible and intelligent people I have 268 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 4: ever met in my life. 269 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: And I have met a lot of people, but I really, really. 270 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: And you're an intelligent person. 271 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 4: So I know, I know when I'm talking to someone 272 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 4: who's switched on. 273 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: Girly tis one to know one yes. 274 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 4: And so if you've you might know Biancha from she 275 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 4: was on I'm a celebri Oh. 276 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: And you know what pissed me off? She was the 277 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: first to go. 278 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: I was so so excited to see her on there 279 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: and then to see her talk, and it looks like 280 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: they just got her to talk a few stories, a 281 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: few lived experiences, and then they were like, okay, bye, 282 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: thanks person of color, thank you goodbye. 283 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the truth. I don't know, 284 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: but it's I don't know. 285 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: It really pissed me off that she was the first 286 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: to go, because she certainly wasn't the one who deserved 287 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: to go first. 288 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 4: Look, I think the reality is regardless of you know, 289 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 4: I think we all know that television productions are more 290 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 4: than just the bits you see on TV, obviously, but 291 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 4: I think the reality is if that's a TV show 292 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: where people vote, people are gonna always vote to keep 293 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 4: the people that they like and they resonate with because 294 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 4: they potentially don't want to think about the fact that 295 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 4: actually it would be more worthwhile for my life to 296 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 4: listen to the stories of, hear the experiences of and 297 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 4: simply promote and be a supporter of a young woman 298 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 4: of color, a young black woman, because they're like, oh, well, 299 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 4: I don't what's that person got to offer. Well, wait 300 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 4: and see, wait and see. That's my advice. 301 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, what you could learn from that person. 302 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 4: And also like, you know, and keep in mind too 303 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 4: that you know, it's not not wanting to in any 304 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 4: way like say that we shouldn't be learning from those people, 305 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 4: but also not that's not just why Bank is on 306 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 4: TV and why Bianca has been given jobs like that. 307 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 4: She's funny, she's smart, she's gorgeous, she's all the things, 308 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 4: she's talented, you know, and so it's it's also kind 309 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 4: of like let her have a chance because she's hot 310 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 4: new talent in the industry as well, so it's sort 311 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 4: of like it's not it's also not just about what 312 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: you get out of it from her, but giving her 313 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 4: the opportunity. You're part of the you know, I think 314 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 4: if we're talking about you know, we've just come off 315 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 4: the back of Reconciliation Week, and I know that a 316 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: lot of the conversation is about the fact that reconciliation 317 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 4: is a concept that no longer has the value that 318 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 4: it used to after, you know, following what happened last 319 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 4: year with the referendum. But I think that it's really 320 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 4: you know, then we go, well, what's my personal commitment then, 321 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 4: as as a person living on this country who is 322 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 4: not aboriginal or terrestrate islander and doesn't have that connection 323 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 4: and isn't part of that you know, big country is 324 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 4: part of all of the people who are the traditional owners. 325 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 3: Well then why don't we give back? 326 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 4: You know, we talk about paying the rent, how important 327 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 4: that is about allowing people to tell their own stories 328 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: and also being willing to get uncomfortable when they're truth telling. 329 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 4: And I think that people's discomfort with truth telling really 330 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 4: comes out in those situations where they go, oh, we'd 331 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 4: rather just vote her off because. 332 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 3: Then we don't have to feel uncomfortable about that. 333 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, completely, completely. 334 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you know it's true what you said, Like, 335 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: it's not just what she can teach us, it's seeing 336 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: her like us as well and giving her that opportunity. Yes, 337 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: you don't don't write someone off just because you think 338 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: they're not like you when they could be just like 339 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: you and. 340 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: You didn't know. 341 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I think the things. 342 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 4: That that could be a lesson indeed, and I think 343 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 4: it doesn't. TV doesn't have to be smart all the time. 344 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 4: You know, you watch I watch. The TV that I 345 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 4: watch is just like something to switch the brain of sometimes, 346 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 4: or watching reality shows because you just think, oh, this 347 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 4: is hilarious, it's not too scripted. I want to see 348 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 4: something that's real. That's the power of reality TV. But 349 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 4: it's also kind of like, if it's going to be real, 350 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 4: it should represent everyone, and that means a diverse group 351 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 4: of people having a chat, not just a bunch of 352 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 4: the same, same, same, same all around the campfire. 353 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: So the calendar sounds amazing. I cannot wait to buy 354 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: one and the proceeds go to WHO Again. 355 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 4: All of the profits will be donated to the Give 356 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 4: It Domestic and Family Violence Appeal. So they're released with 357 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 4: a retail price of forty dollars, which is representative of 358 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 4: the more than forty women who've lost their lives to 359 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 4: gender base violence in Australia just this year, and a 360 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 4: digital version will also be available with a pay what 361 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 4: you can option, So obviously if digital's your thing, it 362 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 4: will be pay what you can. But remembering that if 363 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 4: we're donating all of those profits, the more you give, 364 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 4: the more they get. 365 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even know there was a digital calendar. 366 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: That's how old boomer. 367 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: May why, but I would still be getting the I mean, 368 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: there's nothing better than putting that up on the wall 369 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: in the bathroom, a calendar. I love doing that every year. 370 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: I just love it. I never look at it apart 371 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: from the pictures, because you know, I don't use a calendar. 372 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 2: I use a digital calendar. 373 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 1: Now, but I still love that I have a hanging 374 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: calendar with a great you know whatever, like it once 375 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: used to be the fireman with puppies and then it's 376 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: just puppies. But this is a really great one. This 377 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: is a really really good one. So I'm really glad 378 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: that you made it. You were just saying that you 379 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: were doing the photoshit and you're running around in your undies, 380 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: and you know, the first thought that popped into my 381 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: head was, I just love how often you're in your undies. 382 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: I just love it. 383 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: I love how often I get to see me represented 384 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: in you on my phone, Like it's just it makes me, 385 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: It makes my hearts well because you know, once upon 386 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: a time, we never saw ourselves as beautiful. We saw 387 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: ourselves as the butt of jokes only. Yeah, and it 388 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: is just so beautiful because I have completely redone my 389 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: algorithm so I only follow inspiring people. I was driving 390 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: in the car with my friend and we pulled up 391 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: next to, you know, the wall of all different billboards, 392 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: like it's always next to you, and Minky was in 393 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: the latest whatever she's working on at the moment. 394 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 4: Cleopatra's bling dot com, wasn't it. 395 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: That's it? Yeah, that's it. 396 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, And my friend just looked and it was like 397 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: he was face to face with her because we were 398 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: so close, and he just went, oh and then just 399 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: continue the conversation. And I grew up with boys. And 400 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 1: once upon a time, if we saw a fat person 401 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: outside of the car, the men in my family would 402 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, would they point out to me that there's 403 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: you in twenty years, there's you in you know that 404 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: kind of thing. It was so entrenched in my family 405 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: that the worst thing you could. 406 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: Be was fat. 407 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 408 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: To see not only me now on billboards and you know, 409 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: the posters and things like that, and being represented as 410 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: models and oh but seeing my friends not blink an eye, yeah, 411 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: which would have once they would have been like, oh, 412 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right person for that. 413 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: You know, Gee, she's not wearing very much. Do you 414 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: think she should cover up? Like, gee, you look at 415 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: her guts? Or you know, just something that they never 416 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: knew was hurting me, like exponentially absolutely, And now it's 417 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 1: just it's gone in my life. 418 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 4: And I think that says a lot about the you 419 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 4: talked about you've curated your Instagram algorithm. Sounds to me 420 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 4: like maybe you've also curated the friend group to make 421 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 4: sure it's only great people, because I'm certain that there 422 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 4: are still people in our lives in that peripheryal people 423 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 4: that think that they're that they know us because they 424 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: once knew us and go you would not spend time 425 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,239 Speaker 4: with them socially because they're still in those mindsets. And 426 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 4: certainly for me, I you know, I find that I 427 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 4: still and this is kind of silly, but I get 428 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 4: surprised sometimes when I go, especially onto Facebook. 429 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 3: So for example, today. 430 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 4: I was looking at a post that had gone up 431 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 4: with a collaboration post that had gone up on Insta 432 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 4: had also gone up on Facebook with a radio interview 433 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 4: that I had done, and I just forget that people 434 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 4: are going to jump on there because of course it's 435 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 4: not me that they follow, but they follow the radio 436 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 4: station or they follow that you know, it comes up 437 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 4: because it's local, and the comments are not always great, 438 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 4: and I think, you know, that's okay for me because 439 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 4: I just go, oh my god, imagine you got up 440 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 4: in the morning and you thought I'm going to go 441 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 4: on Facebook and leave that comment like get a hobby, 442 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 4: grow up, Daniel. But also, at the same time, it's 443 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 4: not about me reading it and feeling bad. 444 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: It's about you or someone like you or someone who's 445 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: you know, me. 446 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 4: Before I was able to accept myself and celebrate myself 447 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 4: and be confident, you know, reading those comments and see 448 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 4: like as you say, seeing yourself reflected on that on 449 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 4: that billboard, seeing minky and going what an icon and 450 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: being with someone who went stunning. Love that in the 451 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 4: same way that you feel so empowered seeing that and 452 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 4: so confident and happy that experience of being demeaned by 453 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 4: proxy when they say, oh, that person looks terrible and 454 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 4: you go, well, I look like that. So if you know, 455 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 4: the math is mathing on that, on that negative sentiment, 456 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 4: if you feel that way about them, the only reason 457 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 4: you're not saying that to me is because you like 458 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 4: me and you know me and you potentially lots of 459 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 4: people will talk about how they don't see color, or they. 460 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 3: Oh you're not fat, you're beautiful, and it's kind of like. 461 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 4: Well a, I'm both also see me as a whole 462 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 4: person and seeing someone's whole identity. You know, the idea 463 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 4: that people would say I don't see color, what they're 464 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 4: really saying is I see you as a white person. 465 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 4: I see you as like me, a default person, uh, 466 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 4: and that I don't value that about. 467 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 3: You, but it's part of who you are. 468 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 4: It's almost as if you know, imagine saying to a 469 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 4: queer person, oh, I don't I just think of you 470 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 4: as being straight. 471 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 3: What that doesn't make any sense? So bad. 472 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got to celebrate the differences. We've got to 473 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: see them, and we're going to celebrate them absolutely. 474 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 4: You know, we talk about you know, diversity, and diversity 475 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 4: is wonderful, but inclusion and authentic conclusion, not the tick 476 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 4: boxy kind, is actually being like I see every part 477 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 4: of you, and I accept it. 478 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 3: I love it. 479 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 4: I love it for you. I think it's totally totally 480 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 4: fine for us to all be different and you know, 481 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: accept ourselves and not aspire to be like someone else. 482 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 4: I think it's healthy for us to not aspire to 483 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 4: or compare ourselves to other people. But at the same time, 484 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 4: I think a lot of us are, perhaps especially people 485 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 4: who haven't really put their minds to seeing that the 486 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 4: world is more than just what they know and what 487 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 4: they what they like. I think that the idea that 488 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 4: you know, we can have more people out there for 489 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 4: you and I to aspire to and compare ourselves to 490 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 4: in a positive way. 491 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 3: If she can do that, I can do that. I'm okay. 492 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: I feel good seeing myself represented. 493 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: Yes, and knowing that where those women as well, like, yes, 494 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: you know, not only for each other, but for you 495 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: know how beautiful April. 496 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: Is when you get those dams. 497 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 3: Oh there's nothing. 498 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 4: There's actually nothing better, you know, in terms of you 499 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 4: spend this much time on the internet, you get to 500 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 4: go to cool stuff. Sometimes brands want to send you 501 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 4: cool stuff or pay you to talk about something that 502 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 4: you love from their brand. That's fantastic and I'm so 503 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 4: so thankful that I get to do that because it 504 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 4: brings me so much joy. But nothing compares to someone 505 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 4: sending me a message that says, I bought a swimsuit 506 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 4: today because I saw you wearing a swimsuit and I thought, she. 507 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 3: Looks fine, she looks great, she looks whatever. Compliment. 508 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 4: And I can be that person too, who goes to 509 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 4: the beach and is happy and not having a terrible 510 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 4: time because I'm wearing a T shirt over my cozies 511 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 4: and it's all a mess and whatever, and whether that's 512 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 4: you know, that's one example, you know, especially from you know, 513 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 4: when I did the really cool campaign that I did 514 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 4: with Curvy Swimwear where I got to be on a 515 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 4: billboard and people were like I was overwhelmingly you know, 516 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: I received way more positive messages. Of course, I got oh, 517 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 4: I got some foul comments, and I get those. They 518 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 4: happen quite regularly, and I honestly go, I'm actually not 519 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 4: bothered by that, because for every one person leave a 520 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 4: crappy comment calling me some kind of name, I get 521 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 4: ten twenty messages from people who go, I did a 522 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 4: thing to I wore shorts today because it's hot, and 523 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 4: I thought I can wear shorts because I've seen someone 524 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 4: else doing it and I feel safer doing that. And 525 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 4: I'm like, well, then you can take your trolley comment, 526 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 4: stick it where it fits, because I'm doing what I 527 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 4: came to do, which is help me. 528 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: Even if it's just one person, and it's so many more, 529 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: but you're just happy with just one change of someone's 530 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: heart and the way they see themselves. And to me, 531 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: it brings tears to my eyes. I see these messages 532 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: and you know, I'll just be doing a story where 533 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: like you were doing something on Instagram the other day 534 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: and you flirted with yourself. I float with myself all 535 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: the time on Instagram in my stories, and sometimes if 536 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: I catch something, oh you know, and I'm like, no, 537 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: I say it now, Oh no, I'm not going there, 538 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: not doing that, Like yeah, I'm beautiful. 539 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: And I know I am, and I'm really looking in 540 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: love with how great I am. 541 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: And I just and you know, I'll always, without a doubt, 542 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: have at least one at least I mean I get few, 543 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: but I get at least one saying, oh God, you've 544 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: just made me feel like that's how I want to 545 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: be and I can be or I have become like 546 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: you now, like it's so okay to be in love 547 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: with yourself and see yourself as something that's wonderful. Or 548 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: I'll get someone that'll say I've had the shittiest day 549 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: to day and you bring me joy. 550 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: You just bring me joy, and that I mean, what else? 551 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: What else are you here for? You know? 552 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's so many things that you're here for, 553 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: but April, you bring me joy. You're just you're such 554 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: a beautiful heart. Like I love that you're just radiating love. 555 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: And you know, can I say positivity like, yeah, of 556 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: course you're a whole body body positivity, neutrality like, but 557 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: to me, that's you're just you're positive about you know 558 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: who we are as humans and that everyone is important 559 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: and I just I can't thank you enough for existing. 560 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 4: Oh I'm gonna make me cry, but I was actually 561 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 4: gonna say, I love that you're one of those people 562 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 4: that you send me messages like that, Like you talk 563 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 4: about people. 564 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 3: Sending you a message and going, oh my. 565 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 4: Gosh, like thank you for posting this, or like you know, 566 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 4: this has really made my day after having a really 567 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 4: shitty day or whatever, and you send me those messages, 568 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 4: and I just I'm so grateful that we got to 569 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 4: connect and that I get to see you, We get 570 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 4: to see each other shine. It's really special and I 571 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 4: think so emotional. Oh my god, I yeah, I feel like. 572 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 4: I said this to my friend Lucy Lucy Neville, She's 573 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 4: so beautiful. I said, how good is it to just 574 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 4: tell people how great they are, how great you think 575 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 4: they are, And she's. 576 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 3: Like, it's the best. 577 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 4: And it's just like, you know, you talk about what 578 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 4: are we here for? 579 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 3: And I know, like times are heavy. 580 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 4: It's us struggle sometimes to get through the day because 581 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 4: you just it can be overwhelming when you think about 582 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 4: the fact that there are like a horrifyingly large amount 583 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 4: of people who do not get to have the experience 584 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 4: that we've just talked about, because both from you know, 585 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 4: a broad reaching kind of global in that way, but 586 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 4: also because they're not where we are, like it's it 587 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 4: can be so so granular around people's attitude and they're 588 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 4: the people there that they've got around them. And it 589 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 4: can also be that on a you know, a worldwide level, 590 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 4: not everyone gets to have that experience because there's just 591 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 4: a lot going on. 592 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 3: And I think that. 593 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 4: While I suppose I feel really strongly about the idea 594 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 4: of two things being important and existing at once, and 595 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 4: that you know, regardless of the fact that while we 596 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 4: can hold space for that, whatever that might be the 597 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 4: difficult realities of life. You know, you go online and 598 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 4: you think, my god, I'm so lucky that I am 599 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 4: who I am, and that you know, it's almost like 600 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 4: being able to balance that thing of going I'm so lucky, 601 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 4: I'm so thankful, I'm so fortunate, I'm so whatever. Being 602 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 4: able to realize, whether it's privilege or it's just pure 603 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 4: luck that you are where you are and not somewhere else. 604 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 4: I think also being able to know that body image 605 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 4: and your existence and your feelings about yourself the way 606 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 4: that they change, are so it's so important and it's 607 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 4: so valuable to be able to be someone who can 608 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 4: get up in the morning and like you say, sometimes 609 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 4: have a thought and go no, no, I'm not doing that. 610 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 4: And I think that those two things are actually quite 611 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 4: closely tied together because I think that our ability to 612 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 4: be accepting of ourselves and our ability to perhaps step 613 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 4: out confidently in the world actually empowers us to do something, 614 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 4: take action, be part of a change, you know, for 615 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 4: a call that's meaningful to us, because we're not held 616 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 4: back by the fear of being judged because of how 617 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 4: we look. 618 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 3: So for example, people. 619 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 4: Who you know, from my point of view, while you know, 620 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 4: the last few months, we've seen lots of people out 621 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,239 Speaker 4: on the streets taking action and wanting to speak out 622 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 4: about things that are important to them, I think that 623 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 4: it's really important those people feel safe and confident to 624 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 4: do that, and then they're not held back by thinking, oh, 625 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 4: but I can't because I don't want anyone to. 626 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: See me, or that kind of stuff. 627 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 4: Because the reality is, I've you know, I've had by 628 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 4: the same you know, I've had people in my DM 629 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 4: saying wonderful things. I sometimes have those same people saying 630 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 4: I had a terrible experience today, this awful thing happened 631 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 4: to me, and now I'm afraid to leave my house 632 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 4: because I walked out the front and one of those 633 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 4: you know, one of those cars full of dudes yelling 634 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 4: out insults to me about my body. Just it just 635 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 4: set me straight back to where I was before I 636 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 4: started trying to, you know, learn that unlearned that that 637 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 4: negative stuff about myself. It's set me back. I literally 638 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 4: haven't left the house for two days because of it. 639 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 4: And I think, well, we need to be able to 640 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 4: push forward these important things that might seem unimportant compared 641 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 4: to bigger world issues, but actually they go together. I 642 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 4: think that you definitely have you know, people who are 643 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 4: empowered to speak loudly for things they care about sometimes 644 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 4: need help to be ready to do that because they 645 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 4: need to overcome what they believed for them about themselves 646 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 4: for a long time, about not being too loud, not 647 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 4: being too big, not taking up too much space. 648 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: Oh, well said, well said. I think we'll leave it 649 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: at that. 650 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on, Thank you for 651 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: giving us your time, thank you for being in my life. 652 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 3: I just adore you. 653 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: I love you. 654 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 3: I love you too. 655 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 4: Thank you for the chance to come on and have 656 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 4: a chat. I absolutely love talking to you and I've 657 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 4: just absolutely up to this conversation. Thank you for giving 658 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 4: me the chance to say all of that. Thank you