WEBVTT - Round 6 Takeaways 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:06.240 Hey coops, Hey man, the bloke, the Canadian bloke who 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:09.840 does the drawer? Yeah, can I just I just want 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:11.600 to give him a call of it some one second. 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:14.840 Are you sure you and your mates on the couch 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:15.640 don't do the drawer? 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:20.400 Hello's fan? How are you? It's Peter All Andy's great. Listen. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.239 Yeah, and that's going great. Just one thing, just one 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.680 little problem. Yeah, we're six rounds in and everyone's playing 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.080 each other three times already. 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:29.840 Okay, what is going on? 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:31.240 You're normally not that funny. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.479 That's the best joke you've done on television for a 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:37.199 long time. I agree with you, bar I agree with 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.760 you because, like, come on, can we just have everyone 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.199 play each other once and then work it out? 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:44.760 I don't know, it has been so difficult. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.360 The Roosters play the Broncos and the Panthers twice in 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.040 the first seven weeks. The Tigers play the Knights and 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:52.600 the Eels twice. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.280 In the first seven weeks. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.000 Like, you don't need to send the document off to 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.560 wherever it is to fare Canada to work it out. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:01.680 Skeat you and your mates on the couch just saw it. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:02.240 I'm flthy. 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:04.759 I'll never go to Canada. Again, I'll never wear down 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.720 him again. Did you like Latrell and the six? 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:15.319 I like Gray at fullback, so I like Latrell playing 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:18.480 anywhere that suits a team. Obviously, Cody's at six, so 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.600 there's that mean Theatrell plays center or whatever. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.839 The one thing I will say is. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.240 The game was on the line against the Roosters, he 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.959 went to six and he came out with that big play. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:29.800 Yep, right. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.400 But in terms of having an impact and really going 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.960 after the contest, Latrell had three runs for the whole game. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.240 The games in the balance, he had one run in 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.280 the second half when he ran the ball, he created 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:46.560 two tries. Yeah, he had two tries cysts from three runs, Like, 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.000 if he has ten runs, what's he doing? If he 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.360 had the effort of Gray he had twenty four runs, 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.320 like he had something like that. I just think he 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:59.120 just needs to work harder when his team needs him. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.400 Probably an adjustment of hogus coops because we've said this before, 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:06.800 Like he did some beautiful touches of the ball. You're right, 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.480 his strength is running the football. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.440 How many times do we see players move to the 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.399 harves and all of a sudden become past. 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:16.800 Centric's It's the greatest challenge to take someone. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.160 It's like always the belief Coop is that. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.160 You take your strengths and dictate it to the number 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.720 on your back, not the around. Don't let the number 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.320 dictate how you're going to play. Just take your strengths 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:29.040 to the jersey. 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.880 Even Jerome Leweyes fighting with that at the moment, like 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.480 just a little bit too much of a game manager 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.240 as opposed to that forward thrust runner. 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.560 And for latrelle like when. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.959 He runs a football, in terms of his run verse 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.680 being effective, he would probably have the highest percentage. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.120 So then it just comes back to doing more of 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:46.600 the running. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.280 And particularly when his team was up against it with 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.000 no Cody and a few other injuries in the halves, 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.679 he just needed to concentrate on his strengths. 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.640 More spoken of a few halves. 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.040 They're battling with the discipline to run the football a 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.359 little Nathan and Clearing. I can see that in Nathan's 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:07.320 game at the moment. Jamal Foggerty the name is as 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.320 we're recording this, he's got a big decision to make. 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.200 Yeah, if you believe it's a two horse race between 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.519 the Raiders and Manly, look, Jamal has been a good 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:22.200 servant to Canberra. That team is on the up, like 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:26.600 they've got, yeah, a dominant experience forward pack, but then 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:30.160 there's got this really young and youthful, exciting outside backs 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.080 and Jamel seems to be that the key glue in 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.680 between that. But the Raiders almost want him to hang 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.600 around for twelve months so they can usher someone else 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.440 in and then maybe be in a position to dominate 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:48.600 the competition. Whereas if he goes to Manly, Jamal's a 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.520 solid player, but he needs a bit of strike around 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.640 him to make him more effective. He does, and you 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:58.320 look at Manly, there's Tom, but if Tom's not fit, 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.800 what does Jamel do with Luke Brooks and things like that. 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.720 So it's fifty to fifty because the Raiders have a 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:07.480 one year deal and the Manly. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.080 Have offered a two year deal. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.240 Not sure what the money is, but there's this He's 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.039 probably got more ingredients and recipe at the Raiders, but 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:17.320 then keep him. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.080 From It's a tough one, Coops, because he's been there 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.919 through where there's been some tough times and now I 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.039 can see them coming out the other side. And I 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:27.920 know they're only offering him one year, but if he 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:29.960 gets there next year and he brains them and they 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.000 make a top four finish, then you would expect there'll 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.320 be another year on the table. And I said last 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.760 night on the show, this young crop of Raiders coming 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:43.279 through simultaneously remind me very much of the crop of 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.480 youngsters which led into the Green Machine era, you know, 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.560 Like I mean, it's a big statement because she had 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.320 blokes like you know, Lazarus, Stuart and whatnot. But this 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:53.880 is this is a great crop of young players they've 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:54.679 got coming through. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.080 And they need someone like Fogy to be that, to 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.320 be the leader and the influence over group. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:06.080 Knights lost their half back Jack Cogger. They moved Phoenix 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:10.120 Crossland to seven. I thought, I thought yesterday there not 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.480 because of Phoenix, but they just. 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:13.680 Attack was way of sort. 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:14.600 What do you make of it? 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.160 I think sometimes coops. 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:22.880 I not a lot of teams in this competition moved 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.800 the ball sideways. Well, well, in a minute, we'll do 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.279 some stuff on Melbourne and we'll do stuff on particularly 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.919 North Queensland because North Queensland have adjusted their style of 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.040 football or just the way they're attacking. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:36.960 I thought, I just think. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:42.200 When when Newcastle moved the ball sideways a lot of times, 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.840 in my opinion, they move it sideways. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:45.000 For the sake of it. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.200 They haven't got the foot in the door, or even 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:48.840 sometimes when they get the foot in the door that 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:50.440 I look to push the ball east west. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.520 They've got a simpler look. No matter of people. I've 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.480 said a lot about a lot of good good sides 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:55.760 that have. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.279 Been that have been out of form in their six 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:02.040 rounds do less centralize your attack. 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:03.240 And one thing that. 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.359 Is hard to pick apart when you're watching foot is 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.600 when a halfback makes the smartest decision to shift on 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:11.159 the right play, not the wrong player. 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:12.960 There's a big difference in that. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:16.160 If it's a slow momentum back foot play the ball 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.440 and you still go sideways, means the defense is going 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.320 to be a couple of meters up off the line, 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.799 forcing Calen Ponger into tougher decisions. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.840 Right, But they. 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.640 Played against the Dogs were kept to zero. They almost 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.760 looked like they were playing on a smaller field. They 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.919 would just run out of space all the time. And 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:36.040 against the Tigers on the weekend, they just didn't have 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:36.599 any answers. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.200 They weren't effective in the way they did it. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.200 And when you're trying to be effective against a team, 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.120 particularly inside the red zone, when the fullbacks in the line. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.479 As a golden rule, you need every play behind the 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.839 football running an effective line. Right Melbourne Storm and they've 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.760 got accountability across the team because Craig Bellmy here in 0:06:55.800 --> 0:07:00.400 the red zone, Craig Bellamy makes every player player. So 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.919 when Munster passes the ball to Hughes and Papenhausen, have 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.599 a look at the middle forwards all doing something to 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.440 engage Penriss line. They're in the right hole at the 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.880 right time time in intent quick play the ball. They 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:13.840 get up even on this side back to Harry Grant, 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.160 they're in position, but they go this side to Jerome 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.320 Hughes and it's effective. They score the try in the 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.960 corner Jerome Hughes. Good decision making and the tries in 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:27.160 the corner with the Newcastle Knights against the Tigers, similar shape. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:31.360 But just watch this here, Croslin to Kaylen Ponger, the 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:38.040 Thompson Brothers, Tyson, Frazelk, Pierce Paul completely ineffective, not doing 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.600 anything to disconnect the Tiger's line. And it's why the 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.320 ball goes backward, sideways and around and abouts because there's 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.640 just zero help from those middle guys that are meant 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.600 to do something by engaging defenders in. 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.040 The line, because these days there's no excuse for that 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:57.760 because players are these days, i think sometimes to the 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.680 detriment of the team, are locked into. 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.480 Channels, so there's no reason. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.400 It's like the old days were blokes were just wander 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:04.880 around the fields up to the half. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.560 To grab and stock piling around. 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:07.960 You should be in a position to help. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:09.960 If you're being locked in a position you should be, 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.400 and the general rules are half when you go to 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.360 the line, you really shouldn't throw the pass across a 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.040 gap without a runner going into it. The reason why 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.360 I say that is if you do that, it means 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.880 that defender just slides off because he's not being held up. 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:25.120 So when a half. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.400 Goes to the line, you should always have someone in 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:31.280 that whole outside your target defender and the knights. It 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.960 doesn't matter if you're finixed crosslin or the best half 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.560 back in the world that having in effective shape is 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:38.200 not going to help. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.920 If you're going to push the ball sideways, if that's 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:43.680 what you're going to style the football, you've got to do. 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.640 You've got to do what Melbourne obviously do Coop well, 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.800 you know yourself when you played is great attack in 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.560 a lot of ways is an exact science. Little things 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.360 like you ps, you're sitting there. You're sitting there with 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.760 the gap there, And the difference between being able to 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.960 be two sideways and playing nice and straight and stripping 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.800 and team short is sometimes a subtle as hitting the 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.319 right half of the hole. You know, there's the hole, 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.040 you know, hit that side of the hole to pull 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:14.600 this defender out, it out of shape, as opposed to 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.400 hitting that side of the hole, which basically just that subtly, 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.839 just that much makes a big difference to what you're 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:23.040 trying to achieve down the line. 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.120 One of the first lessons I learned as a half back, 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.080 a very very very old wise man once told me, 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.640 don't run it inside shoulders run it the good part 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.640 of the whole, good smart, The good part of the 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.280 hole opens up the defender to make it asision. 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.760 It'll get your runner at the very least a one 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:39.400 on one tackle. 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.160 Coops. Let's talk about mate. Look and. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:48.360 There's been a theme in this podcast almost like centralize, simplify, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.520 do less when sides are struggling a little bit and 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.439 the reason we say that with the speed of the rucks, 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.800 the vulnerability is around the ruck and those type defenders, 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.079 and there's enormous benefit in that. 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:02.720 Number one. 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.240 If you can simplify it and your centralize generally as 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.320 really you have a lower error rate. Second thing is 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:14.120 is that the engine that drives a football team are 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.160 the middles. So if you centralize and you're making the 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.240 opposition middles may tackle after tackle after tackle, and you 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.320 start to dominate possession, then you're burning out their engine. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.880 But the other thing coops about playing that really tight 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.280 stuff around the ruck and the challenging those big blokes 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:34.079 there is that it doesn't allow the defense to defend 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:35.080 as a collective. 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:36.000 That makes sense. 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.160 Teams, as you know, are taught to defend as a 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.080 collective as a group. With your man you're inside and outside. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.480 So when you push the ball down the light sideways 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.040 you are. You are allowing a team to defend as 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.160 a collective communicate when they're on the back foot and 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.520 you're just coming out of them like that, it's almost 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:58.480 each man to themselves. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.439 That is the benefit. 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.599 Of the fast ruck in terms of consistency. 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.080 Understand what you're talking about, because centralizing your attack around 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.080 the nine through the middle part of the field. Yeah, 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.000 it does, it's reliable, and it does less than the 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.400 er account. But I think in today's game, you've got 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:19.439 to be able to do both. 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:20.760 Yes, you can't just. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.280 Be one demensional down the center of attack. You'll win 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:26.520 most games that when you come against the good ones, 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.120 you won't beat them. And then if you're two fluffy 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.839 by the way you go sideways. It's whether you can 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.000 execute your players to beat the teams on the day. 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:39.840 But someone like Melbourne probably perfectly built. The Broncos are 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.400 perfectly built where you can within the trend of ten 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.240 or fifteen minutes of a game, you can change. You 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.600 can go centralize them all of a sudden they tighten up, 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.960 then you go wide, or vice versa. So if you 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.840 were to build something from the ground up, yes, centralized, 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.640 let's get that model downpat first and then we'll start 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:02.400 looking someone like the Tigers tend to go two sideways 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.280 too early. Yeah, but when it works, it's pretty, but 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.280 it can be shut down if that offensive line moves 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:08.679 around well. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.720 And it's a hard discipline to keep that ball centralized 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.480 because growing up as far as regularly get education right, 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.079 for any young kids years go forward and when the 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.680 foot's in the door, we we get momentum push it sideways. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.600 So we neatinally had that algorithm a side who's got 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.120 the balance right? Who started to and I thought on 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.160 the weekend against South All the Cowboys are very good. 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:34.439 There was more upfilled punch far less unnecessary sideways ball movement. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.680 What really impressed me was when the foot was in 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.560 the door and they were punching through, they kept put 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:39.920 it this way. 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.559 The more momentum there was, the straighter they would play 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:44.200 it was. 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.600 Robson was great at dummy half drink water was great. 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:52.800 Cotter chipped in and did was floating around there. There 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.240 was one in the second half where you watch and 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:59.080 probably tympertize it and then I has a tremendous run 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.800 by the way is starting to come out of his 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:02.280 shell again. 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.160 He goes forward, punches through. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.000 At this point this is where North Queensland would oftentimes 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.599 scale Okay, foots in the door, let's push it sideways. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.600 Didn't just goes bang, takes the next play gun barrel 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.000 straight and that was the theme of how they played. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.600 They just challenged in around the rucks. When they did 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.959 go sideways coops when they did mate. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:25.600 If you look at the difference what they're doing a 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.559 few weeks ago to what they did in the weekend 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.559 when they did decide to advance the ball towards the sideline, 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:35.360 made the straight runners, they were just peeling off gun 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.440 barrel straight and just they just stripped them short of numbers. 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.400 They were really really good on the weekend. The Cowboys. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.640 Yeah, I'll go give Robson and drink Water their leaders, 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:47.960 a big rap, because at halftime it was yeah, they're 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.920 okay sort of, and drink Water said they weren't really 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.800 happy at all. But to then shift the mindset and 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.280 the game planned to be way more direct, way more dominant. 0:13:58.000 --> 0:13:59.640 It shows that they've got footy IQ. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:01.880 So they're good. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.720 Stuff is really good and they're starting to see that now. 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.880 I've hit a little bit of form off that poor start. 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.959 But when they play bad like it's a big question mark. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.120 Whether the Cowboys can dominate septem. 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.280 Then is very much their indicator, isn't it If you 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.120 could get if you hit to Jeremiah and then I 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.640 before a game and go how you're feeling and look 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.320 at his eyes if he's up for it, If he's 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:22.720 up for it. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.400 You back them all the way him. 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.040 And drink Water as well, because drink Water's got the 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:29.400 X factor that you need. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.280 And when he's like sideways. 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.600 Risk versus reward over the top passes, you think you've 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.080 got him hooked. But when he's left foot back inside, 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.640 like scheming around looking for an opportunity through the middle, 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.720 that's when he starts dominating the rugget the game. 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:58.720 Tell them about Penrith, everybody's everybody's got their theories. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:00.080 There's a bit going on. 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.840 There is a bit going on, and defensively, they've got 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.520 their issues, and this is a team that lives and 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.760 breathes defense. I'm not going to try and solve that rubisque, 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.720 but I think part of the issue with their attack 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.000 is to me, I feel like they've run very similar 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.040 plays and shapes for the last sort of let's say 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:26.000 two years, three years, and the strength of that as 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.440 that everyone knows their role. We spoke about everyone's in 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.400 the right place at the right time. But when the 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.600 pass goes from Yo to Cleary to Lewis like it 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.760 used to, there was just this beautiful motion of the 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.840 ball being put down in the corner by top because 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.280 everything was moving, every pass was on the spot, every 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:48.280 player was super effective. Take you know, maybe clearing out 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.080 it with an injury. Edward's out with an injury, but 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.840 definitely Leui out of it as well. They run the 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.680 same plays in the same shape, yet the people in 0:15:55.720 --> 0:16:00.520 those positions aren't as effective getting that pass across all 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.960 the show and go or hiding the ball, just all 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:03.760 those little things. 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.200 And the reason why they don't. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.600 Put the ball on the corner now, I believe is 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.240 because they're running the same shape, but they're less effective. 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.560 At the same show, every team was running the two 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:18.080 forwards with Isaiao passed out to the halfback. But now 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.680 of a sudden, that's not as effective as before because 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.640 it's not the play, it's the nuance within the play 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.000 that is missing out. And it could be a player 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.080 with less skill. It could be a middle forward not 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.520 actually connecting to a defender and engaging someone for Isaiah. 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.200 So I think it's a little bit of a maybe 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.880 rework their plays and their shapes a little bit the 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.600 better suits some of their players. 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:39.840 At the moment. 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.800 But I think Nathan is trying to cover for everything, 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:45.080 every little gap they got. 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:46.560 He's trying to do it like. 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.400 His touches have gone through the roof, his runs have 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.160 dropped a little bit, and he's becoming sort of the 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.080 guy that's trying to do everything at once, but sort 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.360 of not being great at the things he's great at. 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.400 Let's often of the Johns variety that started last year. 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:07.760 In our podcasts, we interviewed Nathan and you got lots. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.439 And I said to I was talking to Nathan. 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:14.000 I said, Nathan, when I watch you, am I right 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.600 in saying this, I said, when I watch you and 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.680 I know you're on, I said, the first two or 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.880 three times you get the ball, you challenge the opposition, 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:23.040 you take him on, you come off. 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.040 Left or right foot, and you're really drilling. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:29.920 And he said yes, And he said, Nathan said, for him, 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.880 running the football is a discipline. He's got to keep 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:33.960 reminding himself that. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:34.600 Now. 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:38.480 Going into this game the other night, I thought to myself, right, 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:40.919 they've got to win this one. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:41.560 First thing. 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.760 I'm expecting Nathan's going to run the ball first two 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.520 or three times, and he didn't. And there was a 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.960 moment late in the game, Coups he received the ball 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.280 on the right hand side of the field and I 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.040 could see there was space off of right foot if 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:55.919 you come off the right foot just there was a 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.720 half gap there that I reckon if he'd had his 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.600 running INSTI there, he would have he would have come 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.080 off the right foot and he would have went through 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.560 and scored the try. He caught the ball, I thought, 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.360 here he goes and he went for the double cut 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.080 out out of the top, winning the sideline. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.000 And that I think for me, that that symbolizes. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.680 Where Penrith are out at the moment is the fact 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.879 that they are very past centric. They are trying to 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.080 create by pushing the ball sideways. Not enough thrust, not 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:22.840 enough running. 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:27.720 We've spoken about Cleary, drink Water and Latrell, three completely 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.119 different players in terms of way they go about it. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.879 But the key part to all of them is a 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:37.120 run first mentality. Yes, because what run first mentality does. 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:38.840 If you're a threat to run the ball, that opens 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.159 up passing lanes, Whereas if you go to passing lanes first, 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.120 you've lost the threat of running the ball. Like there's 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:50.240 guys like when Karen Monster plays in a big game, 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:55.320 are you grand final Origin, He's a fullback that plays 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.520 five to eight. Mostly he will go to dummy half 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.560 and run. You watch him, he just gets the ball 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.960 and has a because he wants to get into the 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:03.080