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Speaker 1: I get a groove as it's the You Project, It's Tiff,

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Speaker 1: Tiffany and Cook, It's Robert, Joseph Capuccio, Craig Anthony Harp

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Speaker 1: of the bloke in the middle of the screen. If

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Speaker 1: you happen to be one of us three. If not,

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Speaker 1: just trust me. Let's start with the real man on

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Speaker 1: the podcast tiff Good Morning.

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Speaker 2: Top of the Morning, Craig Anthony Harbor.

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Speaker 1: How are you? How's how things? How's your leprosy? How's

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Speaker 1: your future husband? How's your cat? How's your dog? Let's

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Speaker 1: just tick all the boxes.

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Speaker 2: Things are tickety boo, as one of my great friends says,

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Speaker 2: tickety boo, tickety shelder, little leprosy on the shoulders. Starting

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Speaker 2: to calm down today, it doesn't feel so horrific.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank goodness for that. Does that mean I don't

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Speaker 1: need to train in a hazmat suit anymore? Or that

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Speaker 1: you's that tif? Exactly good question, Robert.

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Speaker 2: I have got a I am treating a skin cancer

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Speaker 2: lesion on my shoulder with some of that horrific cream

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Speaker 2: that causes chaos. So yeah, it's gross, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: I think you and I spoke once about skin cancer

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Speaker 1: and you said you'd never been checked, Bobby, No, I

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Speaker 1: never been checked. Yeah, no, fuck it, you don't want it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, whats me. Well, because you did grow up

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Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, you probably had like, I don't know, snow cancer,

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Speaker 1: not fucking the skin cancer.

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Speaker 3: So oh no, when I was when I was younger,

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Speaker 3: it's so weird because like now, like I don't go

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Speaker 1: I hate the beach.

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Speaker 3: I was always out on the beach in the summertime

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Speaker 3: couldn't keep my clothes on, so middle of summer I

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Speaker 3: would be outside like.

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Speaker 1: Half naked all day. I mean, I feel like the

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Speaker 1: beach at Coney Island is probably a bit more dirt

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Speaker 3: I mean we have syringe needles in the water, or

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Speaker 1: You gotta watch where you're walking. I still think they

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a totally an historical thing. Not

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Speaker 1: fuck do I know? I've done zero research? So this

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Speaker 1: is just my fucking hypothesis, you know, when you go

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Speaker 1: you know have you done any research? No? I haven't.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me that's better. That's I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Tif does it seem like it's less of a thing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we get we used to get quite a bit

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Speaker 1: sand in bare feet, especially in certain areas that I

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Speaker 1: won't mention. But ah, dear, and you had a gig

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Speaker 1: So you said you're in ninety you said you're a

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Speaker 3: I'm almost sure I'm going to make it to this

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Speaker 3: podcast it went Okay, it wasn't. It's not like a

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Speaker 3: Now, actually do quite a bit of that, you know,

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Speaker 3: I always had this thing where you never know who's

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Speaker 1: So you never know who's sitting in front of you. Well,

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Speaker 3: So you know they may that could happen. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's an atlandish thought, but it very well could happen.

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Speaker 1: Statistically probably not high, not high, but possible.

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Speaker 3: So you know what I've been thinking about talking about,

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Speaker 3: like delusion, because we're you're your own multiverseign to yourself,

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Speaker 1: warm room and a cold room.

434
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just said that, wouldn't it yeah, yeah, yeah.

435
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: So when I go into a warm room, I could

436
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: take a dump on stage and people be like, oh, look,

437
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: how well is shits? That's fucking amazing. Yes, I'll buy

438
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 1: three books. Right of course, I'm exaggerating, And just if

439
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: you're coming to a fewre event, I probably won't do that.

440
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: But in it like a corporate cold audience, especially a

441
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: big group like a conference where it's a bunch of

442
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: businesses and you're speaking to lots of people in a

443
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: big room and four people know you, or you know,

444
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: like less than one percent maybe of the audience know you.

445
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah you. It is just a completely different energy

446
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: and you have to do all of this work to

447
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: begin to get to the point that you have instantly

448
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: with a warm audience, you know, to get that energy

449
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: and that rapport and that trust and that respect. Because

450
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm just a six year old, you know, fucking buffhead

451
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: with a shaved head on stage, and you know, it's like,

452
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't if I saw me walking up, I'd be like, yeah,

453
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's see, let's see.

454
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: What do you need to know about me in order

455
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: for me to speak on this the way I want

456
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: to speak about it. People are going to need to

457
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: know things about me because they don't already know me.

458
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, that's that's so true. What about you

459
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: with a cold audience, Bobby, or a warm audience? Uh yeah.

460
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 3: Traditionally I would say it doesn't it didn't make a

461
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: difference for me because you said it did not or

462
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: it did did not make a difference. I didn't care,

463
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 3: like I was just happy to be, you know, speaking

464
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: in front of an audience, and a lot of times

465
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: a cold audience, it's it's brand new because there's always

466
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 3: this communication between you and the audience, even if even

467
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: if the audience is not speaking, they're just sitting there silently,

468
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 3: they're communicating and you feel it, Like you talk about

469
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: that all the time now, sometimes you misread the communication

470
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 3: like Okay, these people think I'm a complete muppet and

471
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: they're just loving it. But there is communication happening there.

472
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 3: One of the best speakers I have ever worked with

473
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 3: is a guy in the name of You probably know

474
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: this guy, Tom Plumber, Thomas Plumber and the health and

475
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: Fitness industring.

476
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't know him personally,

477
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: but I know who he is. Yep.

478
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: Like there was a rumor going around that Tom's like

479
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: a vampire, Like well into his sixties, he would be

480
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: up all night entertaining students, entertaining participants, Like he'd go

481
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: to bed at two o'clock in the morning, he'd wake

482
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 3: up at five am, go for a run, get on

483
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: stage first thing in the morning, be on stage all day,

484
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: and just mesmerize people.

485
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: And he was saying once that you know.

486
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: He has this belief I am the best, Like I

487
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: am the best speaker in my space. Now is that delusional?

488
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: I mean maybe, like how would you even determine who's

489
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: the best? Like what would be what would be the

490
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 3: method of evaluation for that?

491
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: And there's always someone better for you, better than you.

492
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: But he is extraordinarily good at what he does because

493
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: it's that belief system that he has that allows him

494
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: to bring all of himself, with no hesitation, no insecurity whatsoever,

495
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: into the front room and that really connects with people.

496
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: And then the irony.

497
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: Is because he so holds that belief it's not about him.

498
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: He's lost in himself and disappears within a few minutes.

499
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: He is totally connected to that audience, and it's that

500
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: belief system that's the connector and if he walks into

501
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: an audience and you know, he's not creating that effect

502
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: in a room. Him believing that he is the best,

503
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: he's able to be resilient and adapt to that, you know.

504
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: Relatively quickly.

505
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: So it goes back to that what is a healthy

506
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: like what do you believe about yourself?

507
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: That's something that's dawning on me increasingly. That's a really

508
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: interesting thing that that what you just did push so

509
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: many buttons in me, good and bad. Well not good

510
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: and bad. But just like if I thought in my

511
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: field I was the best speaker in Australia, which, for

512
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: everyone's clarity, I do not, right, I for sure would

513
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: not say that. I yeah, I just think which he

514
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: does it and it seems to be working for him,

515
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: and that's cool. I feel like in Australia, if you

516
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: went I am the best in Australia at what I do,

517
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: I think more people would disrespect you than respect you

518
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: and think you're a narcissist. Which I'm not saying. I'm

519
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: not saying he shouldn't do that.

520
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: I reason, but here's here's something that here's something that

521
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: has happened to me in my journey. First of all,

522
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: like Tom was sharing that with me. He doesn't get

523
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: up in front of an audience say I am the best,

524
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: different he is the best, or it's about him. He

525
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: just understands that there is an internal priming and a

526
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: belief about who you are that essentuates all of your

527
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: attributes and gets all of the background noise and just

528
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: and insecurities out of the way, because that's a veiled.

529
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: So imagine you've got your audience in front of you,

530
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: You're standing on stage, every thought that you have about you,

531
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god, do they like me? Is this audience

532
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: did that joke?

533
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: Land? Am I getting accepted? What are the evls like?

534
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: All that shit is thickening that veil. You got to

535
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: find a way to remove that veil. And I used

536
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: to get up in front of audiences, and I believe

537
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: that I was very, very good because I believe that

538
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: nothing was coming from me, like it wasn't my talent

539
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: or my ability. I felt that I was so committed

540
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: and passionate about what I was doing that I was

541
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: in antenna. I was just transmitting and as long as

542
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: as long as that channel was open, somebody in that

543
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: room was going to be profoundly impacted. Not by what

544
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: I had to say, but by the environment I created

545
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: and the insights that emerge from my mouth and inside

546
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: the minds of the people in front of me, and

547
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: then I'm very much of that mindset where I could

548
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: spoil it's nothing of this is about you. You know,

549
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: you're not the best, You're not this. Just get up there,

550
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: do your job. You know, don't like, don't read your

551
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: own headlines. And sometimes what's really weird is it decreased

552
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: my connection to the audience because.

553
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: I would walk out.

554
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 3: I would be walking toward the stage thinking something along

555
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: the lines of Okay, here I am, and that would

556
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: remove all of that internal noise, so that the second

557
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: I got on the stage, that shift went from here

558
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: I am to looking at my audience and going, oh, wow,

559
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: there you are. And that is where I believe you

560
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: need to be. And it's about like, what do you

561
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: believe about your ability? It's not it's not thinking you're

562
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: better than anyone else you're or you're worth more, or

563
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: what you have to say is more important. It's about

564
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: what do I have to do to kind of increase

565
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: this connection to where I can disappear and just completely

566
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: trust the process.

567
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yeah, I think I understand that, and I

568
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: think I don't know that that's going to work for

569
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: the average punt to though, who's trying to figure out

570
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: what the fuck am I talking about? How long have

571
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: I got to go? Have I covered this yet? Have

572
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: I covered that? Like I think for a lot of

573
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: people who are not where you are, which is at

574
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: a high level that you know, just becoming an antenna

575
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: or a conduit and it's not coming from me, it's

576
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: coming through me and all that. I understand that because

577
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: I have the same experience at times where I feel

578
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: like this is happening despite me, not because of me.

579
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: But I don't know that that is like you can't

580
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: teach people to be that or do that because you

581
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: have a lot of people getting up who lack confidence,

582
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: lack skill like experience, lack stage presence, lack situational awareness.

583
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: They have all of these things going on, so they're

584
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: just you know, trying to figure it out in real time.

585
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: And I think the like, how do we build rapport, connection, trust,

586
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: deliver a good presentation, make a difference, you know, connect

587
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: amazingly with the one percent or the five percent. I

588
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: just think that there's so many ingredients in that recipe

589
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: that what you're what you're saying is true, and also

590
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: in other news it's not true for these people, perhaps

591
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

592
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: And in my mind, that's all the more reason why

593
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: it's important because then their structure, there's how do you

594
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: go out and research the information? How do you put

595
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: it together in a framework that makes sense when.

596
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: You deliver that? How do you make why how do

597
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: you test.

598
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: To understand whether or not you're audience isn't even getting

599
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: the point? So there's all this stuff around building content,

600
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 3: and then there's all this stuff around how you deliver content.

601
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: And if you're thinking about all of these.

602
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: Things when you're trying to like organize all this information

603
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 3: in your head, you're gonna choke. It's just too much.

604
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: So there's one why am I here? What am I

605
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: looking to give?

606
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: Right? Two? What's the objective? Like when I step on

607
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: on that stage?

608
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: Like?

609
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: Am I here to have fun? Am I here just

610
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: to shit? Think about like.

611
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: Your best date you've ever had where you couldn't say

612
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: the wrong thing and the two of you were really laughing.

613
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, where have you been all

614
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: my life?

615
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: You didn't come in there with a ten point plan

616
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: like okay, this is my this is my plan and

617
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: my framework for a perfect date. And you weren't antenna.

618
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: It wasn't coming from you. Was it was flowing through you.

619
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: Everything you have learned, every interaction you ever had, you

620
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: weren't in in the way. And that's the problem. How

621
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: do you get yourself out of the way is just

622
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: as important as how do you develop the skill sets

623
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: so that you deliver something of value. All that stuff

624
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: needs to be done off the stage, and I have

625
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 3: to bring all that stuff on the stage with you

626
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 3: all the time.

627
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: I think the juxtaposition is that, you know, on the

628
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: one hand, you want to be in flow, you want

629
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: to be authentic, you want to read the room, you

630
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: want to kind of just go where you go. But also,

631
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're taught at when you know, young

632
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: ish or young ish in the the kind of the

633
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: space speakers are taught about structure and you know, come

634
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: up with five key messages, build on this, do that,

635
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: do that, you know, which is all very cognitive, right,

636
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: But then when I'm at my best, I'm less cognitive,

637
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: more creative. Yeah, you know, I'm more, I'm more and instinctive,

638
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: but building a framework and building a process and a

639
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: timeline and kind of a plan is the opposite of

640
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: being in flow. It's the opposite of, you know, of creativity.

641
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: So I think it's that. And again I don't think

642
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: it's all about one or the other. It's that convergence

643
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: of brain stuff and creative stuff left right brain. You know,

644
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: it's definitely both or storytelling.

645
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like that both of that, the

646
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: both of those domains are mutually dependent upon one another.

647
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: Like I've got to go through the structuring and that

648
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 3: framework and that process, like cognitive process of organizing a

649
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: talk and practice that enough in a relatively safe, but

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Speaker 3: you know, hopefully a little bit intimidating of an environment, so.

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Speaker 1: I can let that shit go.

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Speaker 3: Like if I want to get really good at skiing,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to work with the ski instructor of ski coach.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully that individual understands a lot about human biomechanics and

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Speaker 3: aerodynamics and they're going to pass that information onto me.

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Speaker 1: And there is a.

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Speaker 3: Very specific way I need to stand and hinge my

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Speaker 3: hips and all that stuff. I don't know, I'm that scared,

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Speaker 3: But when I'm on that black double diamond, I hope.

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Speaker 3: I'm not thinking about all that stuff because I'm going

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Speaker 3: to die. I just I have to use all the

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Speaker 3: stuff that I've trained for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Unfortunately, I've got to pull the pin because

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go and talk to some people. Tiff,

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Speaker 1: is there anything that you'd like to enlighten us with

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Speaker 1: before we go? Any words of wisdom guidance for either Robert, myself,

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Speaker 1: the listeners. I mean, no pressure, but if you could

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Speaker 1: share one gem, that'd be great.

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Speaker 2: There's one gym slip slop slap herbs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, slip slop slap. I will remember that I'm in

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Speaker 1: the car, not on a motorbike, so I should be okay, Bobby,

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Speaker 1: tell people where they can find you, and by that,

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Speaker 1: I'm in electronically, not physically. I'm on the corner of

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Speaker 1: K streets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, don't know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram. Come find me on Instagram. I like Instagram. Also,

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Speaker 1: you have a podcast, I do. I do think I

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Speaker 1: knew that. So yeah, I've got a fucking pull teeth.

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Speaker 3: I got it and it's called the Self Help bandidote

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Speaker 3: and I have a website called the Self hel band

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Speaker 3: todote dot com.

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Speaker 1: And how ironic that you can't help yourself when I

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Speaker 1: give you an opportunity to do so. At the end

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Speaker 1: of the podcast, you fuck an idiot. We need most Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you're my idiot.

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Speaker 3: I love you, and it's a self help antidote, so

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Speaker 3: basically I'm right on target.

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Speaker 1: That's it for the antithesis of helping oneself. Love you, mate, Tiffany,

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Speaker 1: and cook your ace. Thank you, will see you next time. Everyone,