WEBVTT - The killing of Natan Mwanza

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<v Speaker 1>Two weeks ago, in the evening, twenty four year old

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<v Speaker 1>Natan Muanza was on a bus in Melbourne, Southwest. He

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<v Speaker 1>was allegedly approached by two other young men, followed and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually stabbed and killed. His death has sparked an outpouring

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<v Speaker 1>of grief from the Australian Congolese community, many of whom

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<v Speaker 1>have fled violence in their home country. Writer historian and

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<v Speaker 1>filmmaker Santilla Genape also felt the impact of Natan's death

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<v Speaker 1>and set about trying to understand what had happened back

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<v Speaker 1>It soon became a story about how we write and

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<v Speaker 1>report on crime and how black lives are treated in

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<v Speaker 1>the media. From Schwartz Media. I'm Ruby Jones. This is

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<v Speaker 1>seven AM today, santillagen Garpe on the life of Natan

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<v Speaker 1>Mwanza and how black grief is rendered invisible. It's Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>March sixth Santila. Natan Muanza was killed two weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been speaking to his family in the wake of

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<v Speaker 1>his death. To begin with, tell me what they told

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<v Speaker 1>you about him and.

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<v Speaker 2>Who he was.

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<v Speaker 3>So I spoke to his uncle Tresor, who described Natana's

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<v Speaker 3>this gentle giant. You know he was about six foot three,

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<v Speaker 3>the second of six siblings.

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<v Speaker 4>Gentle Giant is someone that respect or very reserved. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>if you got to know him, then you'll, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you get to realize the bovely.

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<v Speaker 5>Side of him.

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<v Speaker 3>But Natana and his family moved to Australia actually from

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<v Speaker 3>the Democratic Republic of the Congo when he was seven,

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<v Speaker 3>and they settled here in Melbourne, and Tresor says that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when he arrived, he loved playing soccer and

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<v Speaker 3>so he used to take him to soccer practice when

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<v Speaker 3>he was a kid. And there was a point when

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<v Speaker 3>Tresor thought that Natan might actually turn professional and play

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<v Speaker 3>soccer as a career. But eventually he ended up becoming

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<v Speaker 3>a model and quite successful. Actually he featured in campaigns

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<v Speaker 3>for brands like Nike and Champion, and yeah, he was

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<v Speaker 3>much loved by his family. He was regarded as someone

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<v Speaker 3>who was quite respectful. He had a very close bond

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<v Speaker 3>with all of his siblings and his dad as well,

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, he was clearly very beloved.

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<v Speaker 4>We never heard a fly us love kids. He always

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<v Speaker 4>loved hanging out, eye in all, playing with siblings and

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<v Speaker 4>things like that. So just God or give his shit off.

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<v Speaker 4>His back to give us homemone.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what do we know about what actually happened

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<v Speaker 1>to Natan on the day that he died.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a legend that Natan was taking the bus

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<v Speaker 3>home on Wednesday, the nineteenth of February. It was around

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<v Speaker 3>eight pm and when he was on the bus, an

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<v Speaker 3>altercation ensued with two other people that were also on

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<v Speaker 3>the bus. This altercation, according to the police, spilled over

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<v Speaker 3>onto the Nature Strip when the bus stopped and Natan

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<v Speaker 3>exited the bus. And following this altercation, the two people

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<v Speaker 3>that were on the bus and then followed Natan out

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<v Speaker 3>of the bus are alleged to have inflicted stab wounds

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<v Speaker 3>on him, which ultimately led to his death. So he

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<v Speaker 3>died from his injuries by the time paramedics arrived on

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<v Speaker 3>the Nature Strip in Wyndham Vale that night of Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteenth of February.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, as these distressing details have filtered out about

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<v Speaker 1>his death, how are Natan's friends and his family and

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<v Speaker 1>the wider community around them, how are they grappling with

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<v Speaker 1>what happened?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think you know, like any family, like any parent,

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<v Speaker 3>I think people are very distressed. I mean, this seemed

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<v Speaker 3>like it was a very random attack on a young

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<v Speaker 3>person who was going about their day. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not the kind of thing that you would expect to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is what his uncle said to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you read about these sorts of things in

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<v Speaker 3>the news and the media, and you don't think it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to happen to a member of your family. His mum,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when she and a few other family members

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<v Speaker 3>I'm told had to go and identify his body ended

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<v Speaker 3>up being taken to hospital just because that was all

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<v Speaker 3>quite distressing for her to experience. His dad has come

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<v Speaker 3>out in the media and talked about just how much

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<v Speaker 3>of an impact this has had on the family, how

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<v Speaker 3>they want answers. They don't understand why this happened, how

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<v Speaker 3>it could have happened. And there was also a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of outpouring of not just support but also just shock

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<v Speaker 3>on social media from a lot of people who identify

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<v Speaker 3>as African Australian who just could not fathom why this

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<v Speaker 3>would happen out of the blue.

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<v Speaker 1>And for many people who've come from the Democratic Republic

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<v Speaker 1>of Congo, they've come to Australia to escape violence, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're here because it's supposed to be a safer place.

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<v Speaker 1>So when something like this happens, the shock and the

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<v Speaker 1>trauma must be overwhelming. What did people say to you

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<v Speaker 1>about that?

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, you know, to put into context for listeners,

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<v Speaker 3>the Democratic Republic of Congo has been experiencing civil unrest

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<v Speaker 3>since nineteen eighty six, and that civil unrest has led

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<v Speaker 3>to more than six million people being killed and millions

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<v Speaker 3>more displaced.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me.

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<v Speaker 5>Your full name and your time is Dougie Gongwa And

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<v Speaker 5>I spoke to the chair of the Victorian Congolese Community,

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<v Speaker 5>Doogie Bonga, who expressed just how distressing and traumatizing it

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<v Speaker 5>was and is for the Congolese community, in particular.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of the trauma from you know, having lived and

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<v Speaker 3>survived the ongoing conflict there.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a very sad news when we heard it, as

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<v Speaker 6>Congolese people, we're traumatized. Really, we don't know what to

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<v Speaker 6>say since that day and we are asking ourselves.

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<v Speaker 5>What to do.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, now, back home, wars are going on, people

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<v Speaker 6>are being killed and they hear again it's the same.

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<v Speaker 3>And so you can imagine managing to flee that environment

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<v Speaker 3>and then arriving in Australia where you assume that there

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<v Speaker 3>would be relative safety, where you'd be able to move

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<v Speaker 3>around without fear of losing your life, and for this

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<v Speaker 3>to then happen to a member of your community brings

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<v Speaker 3>up a lot of that trauma where you sort of think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, is there anywhere that's safe?

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<v Speaker 1>And can you tell me any more about the visuals

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<v Speaker 1>and memorials that have been held in recent days.

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<v Speaker 3>On the weekend, just days after Naton's death, I started

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<v Speaker 3>to see a lot of friends who identify as African

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<v Speaker 3>Australian posting about it on social media and talking about

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<v Speaker 3>how triggering.

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<v Speaker 2>It was for them.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, a lot of young people post videos on

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<v Speaker 3>TikTok where they tried to remember and honor Natan.

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<v Speaker 5>I am very saddened if you look properly, to my

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<v Speaker 5>eyes have just been crying listening to the stories of

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<v Speaker 5>the family sharing about Nathan.

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<v Speaker 6>It hurts seeing a young life being taken very tragically

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<v Speaker 6>like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Young African Australians are dying daily and nobody wants to

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<v Speaker 3>speak about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just as for Nathan.

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<v Speaker 3>The family held the vigil near where he was murdered,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think what was interesting about it was here's

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<v Speaker 3>a community that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is used to.

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<v Speaker 3>Being marginalized, and seeing the community find ways to hold

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<v Speaker 3>each other, to find ways to mourn Natan, to honor

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<v Speaker 3>his life and to remember his legacy. It was almost

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<v Speaker 3>as though if you know so, the space won't be made.

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<v Speaker 3>The community will find space.

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<v Speaker 1>After the break the way black lives are treated in

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<v Speaker 1>You say this is a community that is used to

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<v Speaker 1>being marginalized, and I think that media narratives really play

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<v Speaker 1>into that. And since Natan's death, there's been a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of reporting about no related crime in Melbourne, particularly among

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<v Speaker 1>young people. There was a recent Daily Mail article that

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<v Speaker 1>calls Melbourne a city that has become accustomed to rampant

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<v Speaker 1>mindless violence, for example, and it comes in this bigger

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<v Speaker 1>context of a lot of references in the media to

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<v Speaker 1>gang on gang violence. So tell me what you've thought

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<v Speaker 1>as you've seen the story of Natan's death reported in

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<v Speaker 1>that context.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, it's been very interesting and it made me think

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<v Speaker 3>about how do we report about crime, and how do

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<v Speaker 3>we report about victims of crime and how we report

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<v Speaker 3>on them really matters. And in this instance, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>black victim of crime, and black victims of crime generally

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<v Speaker 3>aren't given the space to be memorialized, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that black victims are disproportionately victims of violent crime. And

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<v Speaker 3>then there's also the aspect of offenses that are regarded

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<v Speaker 3>as knife crimes and this narrative that knife crime is increasing,

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<v Speaker 3>But when I started to look at the data, there

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<v Speaker 3>hasn't actually been an increase. I think, if anything, overall

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<v Speaker 3>crime and austral seems to be going down. But what

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<v Speaker 3>is interesting is how the media reports on it. And

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<v Speaker 3>because we've seen very high profile cases that have led

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<v Speaker 3>parts of the media to speculate on rates and incidence

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<v Speaker 3>of crime which really do not mirror the data, and

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<v Speaker 3>that then feeds into fear and anxiety in the community.

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<v Speaker 3>So it does lead to the illusion that things are

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<v Speaker 3>worse than they actually are.

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<v Speaker 1>And within this reporting you do also sometimes see a

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<v Speaker 1>version of this phrase, you know, the person who's killed

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<v Speaker 1>was not known to police, which I think goes to

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<v Speaker 1>this implicit idea that a victim, particularly a young black man,

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<v Speaker 1>might have been involved in a gang or done something

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<v Speaker 1>wrong in this context. Is this something that you were

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<v Speaker 1>noticing when you were working in newsrooms? Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>any other thoughts on I suppose how these media reports

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<v Speaker 1>come about and the effect that they have. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean when I started reporting on the story, my

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<v Speaker 3>journalistic instincts were to, you know, look at the data

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<v Speaker 3>and use the data to kind of somehow make sense

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<v Speaker 3>of what happened. And I think what was interesting for

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<v Speaker 3>me was looking at studies overseas, particularly in the US

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<v Speaker 3>and the UK, that have looked at how the media

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<v Speaker 3>reports on victims of violent crime who aren't white, And

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<v Speaker 3>from those studies, what becomes very clear is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>black people are disproportionately victims of violent crime, and yet

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<v Speaker 3>the way that they're reported on by the media does

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<v Speaker 3>not humanize them, and if anything, contributes to narratives that

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<v Speaker 3>seem to suggest that criminality and race are linked. When

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<v Speaker 3>we know that that's obviously not true. Those are very

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<v Speaker 3>much racist tropes. And so the more these narratives are sensationalized,

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<v Speaker 3>and when black victims aren't humanized, it feeds into these

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<v Speaker 3>ideas of who perpetrators are likely to be of crime.

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<v Speaker 3>So it challenged me as well, because I hadn't thought

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<v Speaker 3>about these things until I started working on and looking

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<v Speaker 3>at research. And like I said, it's very rare that

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<v Speaker 3>black victims of crime are memorialized. I mean, if Natalant

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<v Speaker 3>was a young white person, I'm pretty sure his death

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<v Speaker 3>would have seen a lot of media coverage. I think

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<v Speaker 3>he probably would have ended up on the front page

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<v Speaker 3>of quite a few newspapers. But he didn't get that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of memorialization, and I thought it was very important

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<v Speaker 3>that at the very least there was space to humanize him.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I'm hoping that by sharing Natan's story and

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<v Speaker 3>writing it in the way that I did, it forces

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<v Speaker 3>many of my peers to kind of reflect on how

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<v Speaker 3>they also report on crime.

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<v Speaker 1>And so to come back to Natan then to how

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<v Speaker 1>he lived. What do his family want people to know

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<v Speaker 1>about their son with a nephew.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they want they want people to know that

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<v Speaker 3>he was loved Ruby. I mean, it's pretty much as

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<v Speaker 3>simple as that he was loved.

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<v Speaker 2>He's life mattered.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. He came from a beer and very tight

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<v Speaker 3>knit family.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>One of his siblings spoke at the vigil and talked

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<v Speaker 3>about how he thought that his big brother was going

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<v Speaker 3>to be there for his wedding, you know, and he

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<v Speaker 3>can't fathom the fact that he's not going to be

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<v Speaker 3>there and he's not going to be able to witness

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<v Speaker 3>this big life event. But yeah, it really just comes

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<v Speaker 3>down to the fact that he meant a lot to

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people, and he will be very much

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<v Speaker 3>missed by those who knew him and those who loved him.

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<v Speaker 1>Santy, thank you for your time today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks you too.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, evacuation centers have been established

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<v Speaker 1>on the goal Old Coast in anticipation of Cyclone Alfred,

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<v Speaker 1>which is expected to make a land fall some time

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<v Speaker 1>today or Friday morning. The region, along with Brisbane and

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<v Speaker 1>the Queensland hinterland, is expected to face the worst of

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<v Speaker 1>the strong winds from the category to storm and Western

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<v Speaker 1>Australian police have charged a sixteen year old boy over

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<v Speaker 1>an alleged online threat to a mosque in Southwest Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>The teen allegedly threatened to christ.

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<v Speaker 2>Church two point zero.

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<v Speaker 1>This joint in an apparent reference to the twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>terror attack in which an Australian man killed fifty one

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<v Speaker 1>people at a mosque in New Zealand. I'm Ruby Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>This is seven am. See tomorrow