1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Andrew. Have you seen the movie? 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: I got an exclusive screening in They open a whole 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: cinema just for me. Oh cool. That must have been weird, 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: very weird. Three hundred seats and me in the center 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: in the dark room. 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Did you get popcorn? 7 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: They saw him out a coffee and popcorn and they 8 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: call it work. 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: From the Australian. This is the weekend edition of The Front. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Harvey. There's a new movie out in cinemas, 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: a biopic of Bruce Springsteen called Springsteen Deliver Me from Nowhere. 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: But it's not about the Boss brancing around on stage 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: in tight jeans and a half buttoned cowboy shirt, sweating 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: and belting out one of his anthems like Born in 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: the USA. It's about Springsteen's sad, bastard pace back in 16 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: the early nineteen eighties, when he retreated to a bedroom 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: and wrote the album Nebraska, Ten beautiful songs, all complete downers. 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: For all the reasons, Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska is seen as 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: modern and relevant today, exploring ideas of isolation, loneliness, fatalism, 20 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: and hopelessness. All those very qualities made the album so 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: unorthodox and risky in nineteen eighty two, and that's not 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: even factoring in the fact Springsteen produced the album himself, 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: not in a commercial studio, but at home with a 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: four track recorder and a mental breakdown on the way. 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: Today I'm joined by the Australians National music writer Andrew McMillan. 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: His feature on the movie is live now at the 27 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: Australians newly launched Culture section. Go do the Australian dot 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: com dot u slash culture, or in the Australians app 29 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: tap the Culture tab at the top. It's full of 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: the very latest in visual art, music, film, TV, entertainment 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: and much more. Here's Jeremy ellen White speaking to Andrew McMillan. 32 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: What did you find were your most valuable resources when 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: preparing for the role. 34 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: Really, the most helpful was having access to Bruce and 35 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 3: really trying to understand on a human level, forget the 36 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: rock star, what was going on with him during this period. 37 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: And I'm very grateful to Bruce for being immediately, so 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: forthcoming and honest. It allowed me as an actor and 39 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 3: to start to draw connections and tethers, and then in 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: getting to know Bruce, I was able to find things 41 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: within him that I knew about myself that I could 42 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: kind of decide to expand on or grin to surface. 43 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: Will they blew a chicken Man and Philly last night? 44 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: Now they blew up his house? 45 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: To Andrew, we're talking today about an album that Bruce 46 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: Bringsteen super fans no one loved. The rest of us 47 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: who have a more casual relationship with the Boss might 48 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: not know about Nebraska. What's Nebraska all about? And where 49 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: did it come in Bruce Bringsteen's life. 50 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: Nebraska is an album that Bruce created not knowing he 51 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: was making an album. He finished the river and the 52 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: touring behind that album, playing to arenas full of fans, 53 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 2: big rock and roll shows with the East Street Band, 54 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: and then, rather than continuing on in that vein of 55 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: making upbeat rock and roll songs, he took himself away 56 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: to a rented ranch house in New Jersey by himself, 57 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: got a TIAC four track recorder, and he started creating 58 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: what he thought were demo songs for his next album potentially, 59 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: But in the process of writing and recording this album, 60 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: he came up with the quietest, darkest set of songs 61 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: that he had released certainly to that point in time. 62 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty two and still in twenty twenty five. 63 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: It's probably the case. 64 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: It's a very sad version of Bruce Bringsteen who we 65 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: hear on this album, and there are stories that he 66 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: tells in his songs that seem almost childlike to me. 67 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: You know. There's a song about a police officer with 68 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: a wayward brother who has to try and help his 69 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: brother avoid going to jail. Stories of heartbreak, and some 70 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: very powerful stories about being an outsider looking in. Mentioned 71 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: on the Hill is about a kid with his dad 72 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: looking up at the town's big grand house. 73 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 3: Who's a please sadsw. 74 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: That feels autobiographical, was it? 75 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: Yeah? Nebraska is a blending of fact and fiction. It's 76 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: taken from the pages of Bruce's childhood, but he was 77 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: also researching and reading about things that had happened in 78 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: real time in nineteen eighty two and also in the 79 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: recent past, things like a serial killer named Charles Starkweather 80 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: who who had killed a bunch of people in Nebraska, 81 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: and when he was later caught, he couldn't give any 82 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: kind of reasonable explanation for why he had done that. 83 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 2: And Bruce, as a songwriter, found that fascinating and decided 84 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: to write a song from the perspective of that serial killer. 85 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: But Bruce himself much later in his twenty sixteen book 86 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: Worn to Run, he reflected on Nebraska and described it 87 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: as an unknowing meditation on my childhood and its mysteries, 88 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: and he wanted the songs to feel like awaking dream 89 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 2: and move like poetry. So it's a set of songs 90 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: which is rooted in reality, slightly fictionalized, but it's this 91 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: blend between his distant past, trying to understand his childhood, 92 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,119 Speaker 2: trying to understand his really distant aloof father, and trying 93 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: to come to terms with the man he was then 94 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: in his early thirties. 95 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 3: I went directing to feel Different. 96 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: League Law. Once you have your first top ten, they 97 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: worked three for the next. 98 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: Well, we've never been about singles, but the whole story 99 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: just trying to break the little new grail. 100 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: We got a little time, just not a lot. The 101 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: creation of this album is now the subject of a 102 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: movie starring Jeremy Allen White as Bruce Bringsteen. Why did 103 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: the filmmakers choose this part of Bruce Bringsteen's life to 104 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: bring to the big screen. 105 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 2: Well, it's an adaptation of a great book called Deliver 106 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: Me from Nowhere by Warren Zan's and it's an unusual 107 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: music biography because it's based on a few months or 108 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: perhaps at most a year in an artist's life, and 109 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: that is the time surrounding the recording and later release 110 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: of Nebraska and the one that came next was Born 111 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: in the USA, his biggest collection of stadium filling hits. 112 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: The author Warren Zanes wanted to understand how that happened, 113 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 2: and there was a section Bruce Is Born to Run 114 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 2: sixteen memoir where Bruce talked about a mental breakdown that 115 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: happened immediately after the recording of Nebraska, and that was 116 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: the first time that Bruce had described that to anyone, 117 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: and he kind of covered in a few pages and 118 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: then moved on. But Warren Zane's the author of Deliver 119 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: Me from Nowhere, I wanted to know more so with 120 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: Bruce's corporation, he went deep on the time of his 121 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: life and what led to that mental breakdown. And then 122 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: the reason why it's ending up on screen is because 123 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: a writer director named Scott Cooper read Warren Zane's book 124 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: and thought, I need to make a movie based on this. 125 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: It was so gripping and so unusual, such a quiet 126 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: period of withdrawal one of the world's most known artists. Calm, 127 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: what's up? 128 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: You redid everything? 129 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I subtracted and I pushed. 130 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: Okay, you want to spell out from me what exactly 131 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: you subtracted and what exactly you pushed. 132 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: We're going to get a star. 133 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: He cast Jeremy Allen White, who viewers would know as 134 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: Chef Kami from The Bear, as Bruce Springsteen. They're kind 135 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: of the same age. They physically look quite similar. 136 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: Of course. 137 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: Jeremy Allen White is ridiculously handsome, perhaps more handsome than 138 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: even Bruce Springsteen, but he comes across in his public 139 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: persona as a pretty soulful, kind of sensitive guy. What 140 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: were your impressions of Jeremy Allen White when you interviewed 141 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: him for The Australian. 142 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: A humble guy, for sure. I love The Bear. I've 143 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: been watching that show since it came out. But to 144 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: see him embody a big star like Bruce, that's a 145 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: major leap, And as Jeremy described it to me, it's 146 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: probably something he could not have done if he had 147 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: not previously played a real person, which he did in 148 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three film The Iron Claw. 149 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 3: Perry, I want you to join your brothers in the rack. Yes, 150 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 3: so I love that. 151 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: We all he plays a professional wrestler and a real 152 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: person Kerry Yvonne Eric. That gave him the confidence to 153 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: be able to try something that for any act would 154 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: be a much bigger leap, which is to play one 155 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: of the world's most recognizable rock stars. 156 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: Ever, it's interesting, isn't it when an actor is trying 157 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: to represent a real life person, especially in someone who 158 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: we know very well. You know, how much do you 159 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: try and kind of mimic their characteristics and adopt their 160 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: accent or interpret it your own way. Bruce Springsteen was 161 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: actually on set for a lot of the filming of 162 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: this movie. How did Jeremy Allen White deal with that? 163 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: How would anybody deal with that? Think about it. If 164 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: you're Jeremy trying to portray Bruce, while Bruce himself is 165 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: watching your every move on the camera, monitorsays, what a 166 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: freaky thing to try and achieve. So Jeremy described to 167 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: me that in that first week of filming, where Bruce 168 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: and his longtime manager John Landau was sitting outside watching, 169 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: he had to eventually go and ask Bruce, hey, can 170 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: you give me a bit of space here, just so 171 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: I can get my sea legs and get a feel 172 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 2: for how to do this thing, which Bruce understood, and 173 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: he went away for some time, but oddly he kept 174 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: coming back to the set. He wanted to be there. 175 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: He wanted to see them make it, which is a 176 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: really interesting decision for a now seventy six year old 177 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: man to make. To watch this really troubled, uncertain, pretty 178 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: dark period of his life where he physically isolated himself. 179 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: Bruce wanted to see that done again from a distance. 180 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: And I guess with all the experience and knowledge and 181 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: wisdom that he's gained since those. 182 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: Years, society has changed a lot in the forty years 183 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: since Bruce Bringsteen went through that. You know, in twenty 184 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: twenty five, it's pretty normal to talk about mental distress 185 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: or struggling with your emotions. That was pretty taboo in 186 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: the eighties. And I guess, especially if you're a rock star, 187 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: how do you think they've brought that to life, And 188 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: what was it like to recreate that for Jeremale and White. 189 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: You're right, Bruce had a breakdown which led to him 190 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: seeking professional help, which was therapy. I think that Bruce 191 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: was himself. I don't know if embarrassed is the right word, 192 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: but I'm sure about revealing that part of himself. He 193 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: described to Warren zanes the author of Delivering Me from Nowhere, 194 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: that he spent the first few years of his therapy 195 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 2: sneaking in and out of visiting the person who he 196 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: had chosen to speak to. So the question is, of course, 197 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: how do you show that on screen without it being 198 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: dull or boring or uninteresting. It requires a magnetic actor, 199 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: which they certainly have in Jeremy, but it requires a 200 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: really smart script, which Scott Cooper, the director wrote, based 201 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: on Warren Zaneser's a book. 202 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: Coming up. So can Jeremy Allen White convincingly channel the boss. 203 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: A man stand or did well? 204 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: How if there was ever a time when it was 205 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: okay for actors to lip sync or to pretend to 206 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: be playing instruments if they're doing a movie about a musician, 207 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: it seems like it's over now. Timothy Shallamy sang and 208 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: played as Bob Dylan in the biopic that he made 209 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Jeremy Allen White learned to 210 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: play the guitar and sang Bruce Bringsteen's songs in character 211 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: for this movie. How do you think he pulled it off? 212 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: And what do you think about that choice of instead 213 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: of using the original songs and lip syncing along to them, 214 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: recreating them like that, you know, with a whole new voice. 215 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: It's doing the whole thing on hardbone right. Easy mode 216 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: would be to just like you said, lip sync and 217 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: to fudge it and to have someone else's hands picking 218 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: those strings and playing those notes. But Jeremy, as a 219 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: committed actor, he started this project as a non musician. 220 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 2: He had never sung, nor played guitar, nor played harmonica. 221 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: He had to learn how to do those three things 222 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: in a pretty short space of time in order to 223 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: portray this very stark and vulnerable set of songs. There's 224 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 2: no hiding in Nebraska. The recordings themselves are bedroom recordings. 225 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: They're imperfect, and that is part of the charm and 226 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: appeal for fans who loved that work. But Jeremy, he 227 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 2: tasked himself with replicating exactly what Bruce did, and he 228 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: did such a good job that during the recording sessions, 229 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 2: Bruce himself said that he couldn't tell the difference between 230 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: Jeremy and he. So that shows you the dedication that 231 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: this man has taken to portraying Springsteen on film, And 232 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 2: to go even further, he recorded those songs professionally at 233 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: RCA Studios in Nashville, and Jeremy Allen White's recordings of 234 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen's songs are going to be released for the 235 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: public to hear, so it's going to exist as an 236 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 2: audio document as well his performance on screen. I think 237 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: he's done a phenomenal job of playing those songs and 238 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: portraying Bruce in his fullness, not just in his gestures 239 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,359 Speaker 2: and the way he speaks, but his way of phrasing 240 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: in songs, his way of playing guitar and harmonica. And 241 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: I think anyone who sees the film will agree it's 242 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: impossible not to be impressed by the dedication and devotion 243 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: that Jeremy has shown to the role. 244 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: Andrew McMillan is the Australian's national music writer. Springsteen Deliver 245 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: Me from Nowhere is out now. Warren Zane's book Deliver 246 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: Me from Nowhere was recently republished in paperback via Crown 247 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: Penguin Random House. Don't forget to check out our culture 248 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: section live right now at The Australian dot com. Dot au, 249 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: slash culture or in the Australians app. This episode of 250 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: the Front was hosted by me Claire Harvey and produced 251 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: by Jasper Leek. Thanks for joining us on the Front 252 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: this week. Our team also includes Kristen Amiot, Lee at Sammerglue, 253 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: Tiffany Dimak, Josh Burton and Stephanie Combs.