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Speaker 2: For the record, I don't try and make you uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: Right for the record.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Clink season eighteen. Thank you for

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Speaker 4: all your support and downloads. It's been phenomenal so far.

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Speaker 4: I am that excited to have got back into this

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Speaker 4: many amazing guests still to come. And today is nothing

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Speaker 4: like you've ever heard before. And why do I say

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Speaker 4: that is because we've never had a guest just quite

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Speaker 4: like this wonderful man.

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Speaker 1: He has an amazing story.

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Speaker 4: He's coming to us from the UK, and I am

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Speaker 4: very grateful that he's been able to take the time

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Speaker 4: us this wonderful story of where his life started to

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Speaker 4: the life that he's leaving today. Chris Booth all the

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Speaker 1: Mate, Welcome to the clink, bro.

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Speaker 5: Thank you having me here first and foremost, and thank

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Speaker 5: you for the connection that we've made. You're an absolutely

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Speaker 5: amazing guy. I know a little bit about your story.

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Speaker 5: We've conversated a bit already through our socials and I'm

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Speaker 5: we can definitely sort of podcast o't go Withick.

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Speaker 4: This is the beautiful thing about technology. Neither of us

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Speaker 4: for those that may have heard your story before. And

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Speaker 4: I will say a big shout out to James English

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Speaker 4: because I do support James English, a fantastic podcaster from

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Speaker 4: the UK and someone whom I've really been inspired by

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Speaker 4: for so long. Why because of his stories, his honesty

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Speaker 4: phenomenal story. You've just not long been on his podcast,

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Speaker 4: and to be honest with you, I commend you mate

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Speaker 1: Firstly, you're in Australia.

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Speaker 4: We do have a worldly audience, and I am blessed

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Speaker 4: this is why we continue to do it all these

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Speaker 1: I don't get on the internet and scanned for guests.

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Speaker 4: It's like, if God has a purpose for me to

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Speaker 6: Light finds light, that's what we say.

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Speaker 5: Boy, if you're a bit of a light, if you're

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Speaker 4: You know, well, I truly believe your story, Chris, is

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Speaker 4: I've enjoyed it, and I want to say thank you

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Speaker 6: You know. Now Mom and Dad had they're in a

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Speaker 6: I didn't want to be that guy, Brent.

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Speaker 5: But I'm a talker because I'm not in the police

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Speaker 6: I don't have to say no comment in these days.

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Speaker 5: So anybody that knows you will say this again, well,

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Speaker 5: I'm not in the police station. You know, the lifetime

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Speaker 4: Say, you know, after all these years, so you know,

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Speaker 1: And I sometimes think to my sort of thing, if I.

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Speaker 4: Don't have the conversation with my guests, there is no

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Speaker 4: But in saying that, in saying that, you talk about

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Speaker 5: Well, to be honest, like the nearest city to myself

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Speaker 1: Be all that it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: There isn't an amount of stabb it's crazy you.

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Speaker 5: But for instance, back in the day, if you was

441
00:20:29,721 --> 00:20:32,161
Speaker 5: to land in a jail and you was from out

442
00:20:32,201 --> 00:20:36,360
Speaker 5: of town, then you're going to have some sort of problems,

443
00:20:36,441 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 5: do you know what I mean? You're gonna have to

444
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,321
Speaker 5: Literally everybody always says when you go jail, chin up.

445
00:20:41,721 --> 00:20:43,761
Speaker 5: I say, fucking chin up. You're going to get knocked

446
00:20:43,801 --> 00:20:46,001
Speaker 5: down his chin down, hands up, That's how it needs

447
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 5: to be.

448
00:20:47,041 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 1: I was like, I keep it chin up.

449
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 6: I'm like for the end of the week, chin down,

450
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:56,801
Speaker 6: hands up.

451
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,481
Speaker 4: It's so true, so true.

452
00:21:02,201 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 5: We've got a few injuries, but to be fair, I

453
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,441
Speaker 5: ended up making some real good friends all the way around.

454
00:21:10,561 --> 00:21:10,761
Speaker 6: You know.

455
00:21:11,241 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 5: Some of them have lost some of them are no

456
00:21:13,001 --> 00:21:16,401
Speaker 5: longer about. Some of them just lost their life to life.

457
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,001
Speaker 5: Some of them have lost their life to their mind,

458
00:21:19,561 --> 00:21:21,801
Speaker 5: you know, or they couldn't cope and stuff like that.

459
00:21:21,921 --> 00:21:25,001
Speaker 5: So and some of them are actually doing real good

460
00:21:25,001 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 5: stuff in the community as well. Now, So there is

461
00:21:28,681 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 5: a there is a norm self divide. I'd say one hundred.

462
00:21:32,481 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 5: You know, if there's some sort of some sort of

463
00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 5: a do one we say, a boxing event or something

464
00:21:39,441 --> 00:21:40,761
Speaker 5: that comes up and.

465
00:21:40,681 --> 00:21:43,001
Speaker 6: You've got a north and a south there, you'd know.

466
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,081
Speaker 6: So it's the same like through all demographics.

467
00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 5: You know, whether it be a boxing event, whether you

468
00:21:48,561 --> 00:21:51,921
Speaker 5: be in jail, whether it be a football match, anything,

469
00:21:52,041 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 5: there is the norm self divide without a question of

470
00:21:54,441 --> 00:21:54,801
Speaker 5: a doubt.

471
00:21:54,921 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 4: You know.

472
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,161
Speaker 6: Is that what you meant? Then?

473
00:21:57,521 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

474
00:21:58,281 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 4: And thank you for explaining that, because it really it

475
00:22:00,681 --> 00:22:03,001
Speaker 4: has a lot of relevance, really doesn't it, And especially

476
00:22:03,041 --> 00:22:05,281
Speaker 4: for a man that, like you say, there is going

477
00:22:05,321 --> 00:22:07,241
Speaker 4: into jail, that is looking at a lot of time

478
00:22:07,801 --> 00:22:12,201
Speaker 4: because here in Australia. If you're sentenced, you like once

479
00:22:12,281 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 4: upon a time you could, on compassionate grounds generally get

480
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,561
Speaker 4: a location that was close to your family and what

481
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,201
Speaker 4: have you. But if you're a bit of a ball

482
00:22:20,281 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 4: runner or you know you're involved in the gang scene,

483
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,841
Speaker 4: then obviously segregation to certain jails with certain crew then

484
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 4: they naturally non association on other ways with other clew

485
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 4: so therefore they don't mix. So therefore you can't go

486
00:22:33,961 --> 00:22:36,281
Speaker 4: to that jail and that crew might have the top

487
00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:39,361
Speaker 4: end of the coast or you know, like for me example,

488
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,641
Speaker 4: I live in Queensland, but I live on a border

489
00:22:41,921 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 4: where it's New South Wales and Queensland. New South Wales

490
00:22:45,241 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 4: is a very big coastline and as is Queensland on

491
00:22:49,481 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 4: the east coast of Australia. But just because I live

492
00:22:53,441 --> 00:22:56,441
Speaker 4: up here would never guarantee me I could end up

493
00:22:56,681 --> 00:23:00,481
Speaker 4: far far south, like thousand and fifteen hundred kilometers from home.

494
00:23:00,521 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 6: That mould be crazy. And I am meant to get

495
00:23:04,001 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 6: a visit.

496
00:23:05,281 --> 00:23:07,561
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, my last lag and I

497
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 4: chose not to get visits for the last twelve months

498
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,001
Speaker 4: because I was just like, this is just not right.

499
00:23:12,481 --> 00:23:15,921
Speaker 5: What I found is when I stopped writing to people

500
00:23:16,921 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 5: and I stopped having visits and that even though I

501
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 5: thought I was doing it for the other people, you know,

502
00:23:24,961 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 5: because I was away and all that, but I found

503
00:23:27,961 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 5: that maybe a little tiny bit colder, you know, because

504
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 5: I wasn't having that family interaction.

505
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,801
Speaker 6: I wasn't getting to see the people that I loved.

506
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,601
Speaker 5: But there's a whole story to it, and I've got

507
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,001
Speaker 5: to completely own it, you know. So my parents they

508
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 5: choose not to speak to me now, and I totally

509
00:23:45,681 --> 00:23:49,561
Speaker 5: understand why, and it's something that I've just I hope

510
00:23:49,561 --> 00:23:51,721
Speaker 5: and pray that one day I do get to tap

511
00:23:51,801 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 5: to him, because they're amazing people. But my mom chose

512
00:23:56,521 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 5: after my first sentence not to come and see me.

513
00:23:59,521 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 5: But my dad took it on himself to it, like

514
00:24:02,281 --> 00:24:04,641
Speaker 5: until we fell out, and he's a bit poorer now,

515
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,281
Speaker 5: always came and see me.

516
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,161
Speaker 6: But I think you do need to have that connection.

517
00:24:09,961 --> 00:24:13,201
Speaker 5: Right nowadays you have you've got like what we're doing now,

518
00:24:13,281 --> 00:24:15,321
Speaker 5: so you can have video calls and all that type

519
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 5: of stuff. But when I was, I thought I was

520
00:24:19,241 --> 00:24:21,881
Speaker 5: doing myself a favor. But you know, when you see

521
00:24:21,921 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 5: everybody else, Brent, and they're going on their visits and

522
00:24:24,441 --> 00:24:27,041
Speaker 5: they're putting their bloody whatever clothes on to go see

523
00:24:27,041 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 5: a visit, and you're buzzing for them because they're your

524
00:24:29,961 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 5: jail family. But then at the same time you're like,

525
00:24:33,921 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 5: I just want to see my people, you know. So

526
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,841
Speaker 5: then what happens then is because you're not getting visits,

527
00:24:40,241 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 5: your jail family becomes more of a family, you know,

528
00:24:43,281 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 5: because when you spend that long in jail, you know

529
00:24:45,961 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 5: how it is, the people in jail get to see

530
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,241
Speaker 5: the best side of you, especially like if you're living

531
00:24:52,241 --> 00:24:55,001
Speaker 5: that chaos life out here and there's a diction involved,

532
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 5: even though you're only out here for a short space

533
00:24:57,521 --> 00:25:00,281
Speaker 5: of time, because you'd have been that chaotic in that

534
00:25:00,321 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 5: bloody nuts and boats. Basically, people remember that hard and

535
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,401
Speaker 5: they can't they they can't think of nothing but that.

536
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 6: But when you weigh it up like that, if you.

537
00:25:11,281 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 5: Spent more time in the system since like myself, since

538
00:25:14,921 --> 00:25:18,281
Speaker 5: when you're fifteen to now when you're forty five, then

539
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,281
Speaker 5: really you haven't been an addict most of your life.

540
00:25:21,801 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 5: I've been clean most of my life because I've been

541
00:25:23,761 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 5: in jail. But the chaos and the carnes actually fucking

542
00:25:26,681 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 5: got cause when you was out here. That's all people

543
00:25:29,241 --> 00:25:32,961
Speaker 5: can remember, you know. So then the best, the only

544
00:25:33,001 --> 00:25:35,041
Speaker 5: people to get to see the best version of you

545
00:25:35,961 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 5: is your jail family.

546
00:25:37,561 --> 00:25:37,801
Speaker 6: You know.

547
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,521
Speaker 5: There you get to hear your deepest, darkest things that

548
00:25:40,561 --> 00:25:42,441
Speaker 5: have been bothering you. And I'm not just on about

549
00:25:42,481 --> 00:25:45,681
Speaker 5: anybody on whatever, landing your proper jaw family that you've

550
00:25:45,721 --> 00:25:48,961
Speaker 5: done a few sentences with, you built up that jail report.

551
00:25:49,321 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 5: So then what it is to me is I wanted

552
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,561
Speaker 5: to bring that person outside.

553
00:25:53,801 --> 00:25:54,481
Speaker 6: Do you know what I mean?

554
00:25:54,801 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 5: I wanted to bring that person that was in jail

555
00:25:57,921 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 5: trying to be the best possible version of himself, but

556
00:26:00,481 --> 00:26:02,561
Speaker 5: probably because I had locked boats and bars around me

557
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 5: and I couldn't go and cause no fucking trouble.

558
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,161
Speaker 6: I wanted to bring that person out.

559
00:26:07,481 --> 00:26:08,881
Speaker 1: Can I just ask you on that.

560
00:26:09,201 --> 00:26:12,441
Speaker 4: I want to touch base like when you say the

561
00:26:12,441 --> 00:26:16,321
Speaker 4: best version of yourself whilst in jail for example, And

562
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:19,001
Speaker 4: I'm going to speak very frank and opening here. You

563
00:26:19,041 --> 00:26:21,801
Speaker 4: see the worst of people in jail, O, because it

564
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,001
Speaker 4: is people in addiction. You see people become addicts in jail.

565
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 4: I don't know what it's like, man, I know that

566
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:31,761
Speaker 4: you guys understand what drops, what drugs are in there,

567
00:26:31,761 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 4: because I can tell you now you can get what

568
00:26:33,281 --> 00:26:35,041
Speaker 4: you want, you can get yeah, bruh.

569
00:26:35,521 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: So they did blockers here so you can't do.

570
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,921
Speaker 4: It any you know, like, yeah, you can't use mobiles

571
00:26:41,961 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 4: in there, now, you can't.

572
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: They've got blockers for mobiles.

573
00:26:44,041 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: We've got blockers for drones, They've got blockers for everything,

574
00:26:46,921 --> 00:26:49,401
Speaker 4: even got blockers for you walking through. And now every

575
00:26:49,481 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 4: visitor has got to be complete body skinned, like you

576
00:26:51,961 --> 00:26:55,401
Speaker 4: can't even have it put into the old safe Yeah, yeah, exactly.

577
00:26:55,921 --> 00:26:59,961
Speaker 4: But my point being, it's really something that is is

578
00:27:00,041 --> 00:27:04,321
Speaker 4: quite sad because a lot of people come in broken

579
00:27:05,281 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 4: and a lot of people come in I guess, not

580
00:27:09,561 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: knowing how the system works and how vulnerable they are,

581
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,241
Speaker 4: and how easy it is to fall into debt addiction

582
00:27:15,561 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 4: and then violence around that. It brings out the worst

583
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,681
Speaker 4: in people, and then you see obviously the prey being

584
00:27:22,721 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 4: preyed upon by those you know who control that, and

585
00:27:26,681 --> 00:27:27,881
Speaker 4: it is it's a.

586
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,681
Speaker 1: Very dangerous and a very violent and unforgiving environment.

587
00:27:31,721 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 4: And for the sake of twenty quid, you know what

588
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 4: I mean, like your life's gone or a little bit

589
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,161
Speaker 4: of a dirty old methadone or butte that somebody's regurgitated,

590
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:43,881
Speaker 4: or you know, a couple of tablet tablets, oh bro.

591
00:27:44,321 --> 00:27:48,281
Speaker 4: And you know when you talk about that, it takes

592
00:27:48,281 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 4: a very strong person to be able to disengage from

593
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:54,801
Speaker 4: that and obviously do your own.

594
00:27:54,681 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: Jail, as they say.

595
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 4: But still, like you say, have that little bit of

596
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,041
Speaker 4: camaraderie or some type of family around you to get

597
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,001
Speaker 4: you through, because it is it's such a dark and

598
00:28:04,041 --> 00:28:06,801
Speaker 4: lonely place. I mean, I did know plenty of time

599
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 4: in Segro. Now for me, I loved Segro because at

600
00:28:10,241 --> 00:28:11,961
Speaker 4: the end of the day, you didn't have to deal

601
00:28:11,961 --> 00:28:12,721
Speaker 4: with all the politics.

602
00:28:12,801 --> 00:28:13,681
Speaker 1: Is were bullshit.

603
00:28:13,681 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 4: You've got let out of an hour. If you're lucky

604
00:28:15,441 --> 00:28:17,961
Speaker 4: on a yard, you just you know, you're on the run.

605
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 4: You're yelling out to the boys. You're sending lines up

606
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,281
Speaker 4: and down, pulling each other, someone to cook, pulling in

607
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 4: the bags, you know, the bin bags with sucking your

608
00:28:25,681 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 4: lunch set someone's cooked up.

609
00:28:29,681 --> 00:28:32,441
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

610
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,241
Speaker 4: At nighttime, you're flicking under the door, under the door,

611
00:28:35,321 --> 00:28:37,521
Speaker 4: the lines, the little lines with your mint.

612
00:28:37,321 --> 00:28:42,201
Speaker 1: Cars on there, and you know, so it does, brother,

613
00:28:42,241 --> 00:28:44,761
Speaker 1: and it does. But This is the reality of what it.

614
00:28:44,841 --> 00:28:47,681
Speaker 4: Is like in there and how you survive and adapt,

615
00:28:48,401 --> 00:28:52,401
Speaker 4: you know, like you can't escape. Every day is just

616
00:28:52,801 --> 00:28:56,041
Speaker 4: another day of survival. You know, you talk about addiction,

617
00:28:56,201 --> 00:28:58,561
Speaker 4: and I know that I have heard you touch on

618
00:28:58,601 --> 00:29:02,001
Speaker 4: that you live the life of addiction. Can I just

619
00:29:02,081 --> 00:29:04,241
Speaker 4: ask you you didn't you speak that you were clean

620
00:29:04,321 --> 00:29:06,121
Speaker 4: in jail, so you didn't use in jail?

621
00:29:06,201 --> 00:29:08,921
Speaker 5: Well to me honest that they have bad times when

622
00:29:08,921 --> 00:29:11,561
Speaker 5: I carried on my diction in jail, because that is

623
00:29:11,601 --> 00:29:15,121
Speaker 5: easy to do because obviously you've got the staff bringing

624
00:29:15,161 --> 00:29:18,201
Speaker 5: bits and bobbed in, You've got people going out on visits.

625
00:29:18,241 --> 00:29:20,681
Speaker 5: But with they've just introduced all the body scanners and

626
00:29:20,721 --> 00:29:23,721
Speaker 5: that over here. Probably I'm going to say the last

627
00:29:23,881 --> 00:29:27,561
Speaker 5: six or seven years so I have been in that.

628
00:29:27,721 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 6: I have been like that.

629
00:29:28,641 --> 00:29:33,161
Speaker 5: But on my last sentence was when COVID all kicked

630
00:29:33,201 --> 00:29:37,441
Speaker 5: in in the jails and I got there at the time,

631
00:29:37,481 --> 00:29:40,081
Speaker 5: I just come out of intensive care because I had

632
00:29:40,081 --> 00:29:42,721
Speaker 5: an episode with some lads where they put me in

633
00:29:42,721 --> 00:29:44,521
Speaker 5: a cupboard before they kid killed me. There's a big

634
00:29:44,561 --> 00:29:47,081
Speaker 5: story to it, but basically they thought to kill me

635
00:29:47,121 --> 00:29:50,161
Speaker 5: out AMA sunk in my head here and here bilateral

636
00:29:50,281 --> 00:29:53,681
Speaker 5: mandible factors and my jaw broken, noose, all my eyes

637
00:29:53,721 --> 00:29:54,321
Speaker 5: and that done.

638
00:29:55,601 --> 00:29:57,761
Speaker 4: Just on that, I wanted to ask a question and

639
00:29:58,201 --> 00:29:59,801
Speaker 4: please tell me to mind my business?

640
00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:01,321
Speaker 6: Can I just put I noticed that.

641
00:30:01,321 --> 00:30:03,681
Speaker 1: You've got it, You've got You've got the glads go smile.

642
00:30:05,561 --> 00:30:07,921
Speaker 5: Well, I'm always smiling on my left side these days

643
00:30:07,961 --> 00:30:09,681
Speaker 5: are and I if you catch me on my lesson

644
00:30:09,961 --> 00:30:14,441
Speaker 5: always smiling. Yeah, So that was that was another two

645
00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:18,761
Speaker 5: second decision. Down here, we've got something that's called county lines.

646
00:30:19,161 --> 00:30:21,481
Speaker 5: So you have lads that will come from out from

647
00:30:21,521 --> 00:30:25,161
Speaker 5: another city come down to the manor and they basically

648
00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:29,321
Speaker 5: flood the area with cheap drugs, good quality cheap drugs

649
00:30:29,561 --> 00:30:32,841
Speaker 5: and basically just take over the man with the drug scene.

650
00:30:33,121 --> 00:30:35,481
Speaker 5: I got to find out about where their where their

651
00:30:35,521 --> 00:30:37,761
Speaker 5: house was before they're about to take the week's worth

652
00:30:37,761 --> 00:30:40,481
Speaker 5: of money back down to a certain city which well

653
00:30:40,561 --> 00:30:42,681
Speaker 5: mentioned the city because we're actually I've got some good

654
00:30:42,681 --> 00:30:45,121
Speaker 5: friends from there and it's all like being put under

655
00:30:45,121 --> 00:30:48,041
Speaker 5: the garden now. But I decided to relieve them with

656
00:30:48,081 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 5: their cash and their drugs. Basically, Brent, there was a

657
00:30:51,081 --> 00:30:54,041
Speaker 5: substantion amount of about drugs and cash that went.

658
00:30:55,401 --> 00:30:57,201
Speaker 6: I then went on a ten day bender.

659
00:30:58,041 --> 00:31:00,561
Speaker 5: At the end of the ten day bender, I needed

660
00:31:00,601 --> 00:31:03,641
Speaker 5: something to bring me back down to Earth. Went to

661
00:31:03,681 --> 00:31:06,081
Speaker 5: see the same person that gets gave me the information

662
00:31:06,321 --> 00:31:09,281
Speaker 5: for the job in the first place, and then basically

663
00:31:09,441 --> 00:31:14,161
Speaker 5: got surrounded by by three lads from a certain city.

664
00:31:14,761 --> 00:31:17,121
Speaker 5: So I got if you imagine, imagine us in like

665
00:31:17,201 --> 00:31:20,321
Speaker 5: a like a square bottom of some like flats where

666
00:31:20,361 --> 00:31:23,121
Speaker 5: they keep the bins. So I've got one over it.

667
00:31:23,281 --> 00:31:26,201
Speaker 5: I've got one over air. He's in the corner. He's

668
00:31:26,241 --> 00:31:29,001
Speaker 5: all got like a snood don battleclav all that type

669
00:31:29,001 --> 00:31:29,401
Speaker 5: of stuff.

670
00:31:29,641 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 6: Got his hands in his jacket like that.

671
00:31:31,921 --> 00:31:35,121
Speaker 5: I've then got another one over here, exactly the same,

672
00:31:35,161 --> 00:31:36,841
Speaker 5: but he's got his hands in a different place.

673
00:31:36,881 --> 00:31:39,201
Speaker 6: He's got his hands basically down his trousers.

674
00:31:39,321 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 5: So they've obviously got some sort of you know, machines

675
00:31:42,841 --> 00:31:43,841
Speaker 5: whatever they've got.

676
00:31:44,081 --> 00:31:46,801
Speaker 6: But then the one over in the corner over here.

677
00:31:46,681 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 5: Brent, he says, if I'm looking at you now, but

678
00:31:49,041 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 5: I'm looking at you, but I'm looking behind you. So

679
00:31:51,881 --> 00:31:53,801
Speaker 5: I'm looking at you, but I'm trying to check out

680
00:31:53,801 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 5: this plant's lot. I can see behind you there. So

681
00:31:56,281 --> 00:31:59,401
Speaker 5: then eye clocked that he was looking behind me. This

682
00:31:59,481 --> 00:32:01,401
Speaker 5: is one of the things where I know the Lord

683
00:32:01,481 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 5: definitely loaded his rope down this day and pulled me

684
00:32:04,241 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 5: out of danger. Because he's looking behind me. I was

685
00:32:07,241 --> 00:32:10,001
Speaker 5: thinking I've got some geezer behind the ear. So then

686
00:32:10,081 --> 00:32:12,361
Speaker 5: as I've gone like that to look around, they seemed

687
00:32:12,401 --> 00:32:15,121
Speaker 5: like a flash. Next thing, the geeze has jumped in

688
00:32:15,121 --> 00:32:17,801
Speaker 5: front of me. He was behind me. He chucked the

689
00:32:17,921 --> 00:32:20,681
Speaker 5: jab out. Well what I thought was the job because

690
00:32:20,681 --> 00:32:21,681
Speaker 5: I didn't really feelix.

691
00:32:21,761 --> 00:32:23,681
Speaker 6: It's that sharp. You don't feel it too, be honest.

692
00:32:24,121 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 5: Well, I could get my finger through my mouth and

693
00:32:27,161 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 5: basically told me that he'd been striped their booby.

694
00:32:30,361 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 6: We all know who you are.

695
00:32:31,361 --> 00:32:34,161
Speaker 5: Now rocking up to our gaff, so I can and

696
00:32:34,241 --> 00:32:36,081
Speaker 5: taking the money now we all know who you are.

697
00:32:36,081 --> 00:32:39,881
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah. So I thought being striped, what's going

698
00:32:39,921 --> 00:32:40,321
Speaker 5: on here?

699
00:32:40,681 --> 00:32:41,081
Speaker 6: Strikes?

700
00:32:41,081 --> 00:32:43,041
Speaker 5: And then I thought, you just banged me. So I

701
00:32:43,041 --> 00:32:45,561
Speaker 5: thought I can take a few of them, and I

702
00:32:45,561 --> 00:32:47,161
Speaker 5: will probably get the shit kicked out of me, but

703
00:32:47,481 --> 00:32:49,561
Speaker 5: I can have a little go here. And then the

704
00:32:49,601 --> 00:32:51,841
Speaker 5: surgeon said, as I've gone to move apt to go

705
00:32:52,041 --> 00:32:54,961
Speaker 5: for him, that's when it split the ladder.

706
00:32:55,241 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 6: The lad who actually done the slashing.

707
00:32:58,441 --> 00:33:02,161
Speaker 5: I just seen the color drained from his face, so

708
00:33:02,321 --> 00:33:03,801
Speaker 5: I think that was the first time.

709
00:33:03,721 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 6: That he'd done it. He had done it before, and

710
00:33:07,241 --> 00:33:08,801
Speaker 6: basically I had to get them.

711
00:33:08,841 --> 00:33:11,681
Speaker 5: I get my top off, put plug it on my

712
00:33:11,721 --> 00:33:13,881
Speaker 5: face and I wasn't sure whether it is my face

713
00:33:14,121 --> 00:33:16,801
Speaker 5: or my oh, my neck. But the way, the sad

714
00:33:16,841 --> 00:33:20,361
Speaker 5: thing about it is bran, when I look back on it,

715
00:33:20,521 --> 00:33:23,881
Speaker 5: is like I was living a life for chaos and carnage,

716
00:33:23,921 --> 00:33:26,001
Speaker 5: you know, and there was drugs in that involved.

717
00:33:26,521 --> 00:33:27,041
Speaker 6: They did.

718
00:33:27,081 --> 00:33:29,721
Speaker 5: These lads were told to come down and to cut

719
00:33:29,761 --> 00:33:32,721
Speaker 5: my throat and chuck some drugs and some money down,

720
00:33:32,961 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: and it would have been a drug related death. The

721
00:33:35,281 --> 00:33:37,921
Speaker 5: police around here, they would have looked into it because

722
00:33:38,001 --> 00:33:38,601
Speaker 5: they got to do.

723
00:33:38,561 --> 00:33:39,321
Speaker 6: It a job.

724
00:33:39,361 --> 00:33:41,321
Speaker 5: But it would have been like when that's the way

725
00:33:41,361 --> 00:33:43,601
Speaker 5: Booby was living his life, That's the way Chris was

726
00:33:43,641 --> 00:33:46,281
Speaker 5: living his life, you know. Yeah, And then I ended

727
00:33:46,361 --> 00:33:48,921
Speaker 5: up with this body smile on my face, which at

728
00:33:49,041 --> 00:33:52,281
Speaker 5: first did bother me. But I used to when I

729
00:33:52,361 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 5: was talking to my mom and dad, I used to

730
00:33:54,281 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 5: have a bit of jest of them, and I used

731
00:33:56,481 --> 00:33:59,281
Speaker 5: to say, Mom, Dad says, when you bury me, I says,

732
00:33:59,281 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 5: I want to be buried on my side like that.

733
00:34:01,641 --> 00:34:02,961
Speaker 6: He said, why is that son.

734
00:34:05,241 --> 00:34:07,161
Speaker 1: On looking smiling?

735
00:34:07,281 --> 00:34:10,041
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's caused all that curls and carnage, and the

736
00:34:10,121 --> 00:34:11,881
Speaker 5: little ship still died smiling.

737
00:34:13,401 --> 00:34:18,401
Speaker 6: God bless I like it says in Proverbs, doesn't it?

738
00:34:18,681 --> 00:34:20,721
Speaker 6: And Marie Hart is like mentioning for the soul?

739
00:34:21,081 --> 00:34:23,961
Speaker 5: And like my family were original circuit stock, you know,

740
00:34:24,081 --> 00:34:25,801
Speaker 5: from down on the south coast, because I said to

741
00:34:25,921 --> 00:34:28,801
Speaker 5: her from Portsmouth. So my Granda Labry, he was the

742
00:34:28,841 --> 00:34:30,321
Speaker 5: man used to have a bit of a scrappy in

743
00:34:30,401 --> 00:34:33,161
Speaker 5: the ring. My Grandma Shirley, she used to look after

744
00:34:33,201 --> 00:34:35,401
Speaker 5: all the animals, and my dad and my uncles that

745
00:34:35,521 --> 00:34:38,801
Speaker 5: were actually clowns. So it's quite fitting that I've ended

746
00:34:38,841 --> 00:34:42,801
Speaker 5: up with a massively the smile on my face because yeah,

747
00:34:43,201 --> 00:34:45,561
Speaker 5: it's a bit jesty, but I'm happy with it. These

748
00:34:45,681 --> 00:34:48,241
Speaker 5: days they've got to be I know, it's not going nowhere.

749
00:34:48,681 --> 00:34:50,681
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask you something about that.

750
00:34:50,881 --> 00:34:54,681
Speaker 4: Now tell me, okay, you've got to remember here here

751
00:34:54,721 --> 00:34:57,881
Speaker 4: in Australia we only see unless we know people who

752
00:34:57,961 --> 00:35:00,281
Speaker 4: live it. We only see what we see on TV

753
00:35:00,761 --> 00:35:04,241
Speaker 4: or shows. And that's quite good. When you say circus,

754
00:35:04,401 --> 00:35:06,921
Speaker 4: does that mean like a traveler, like yeah.

755
00:35:06,801 --> 00:35:09,281
Speaker 6: Well yeah, but it's a showman traveler.

756
00:35:09,681 --> 00:35:12,441
Speaker 4: So what's the difference between a proper pikey, a fucking

757
00:35:12,561 --> 00:35:16,201
Speaker 4: fighting piky family and and a traveling circus family, Because

758
00:35:16,521 --> 00:35:18,721
Speaker 4: that's just it's very similar.

759
00:35:18,801 --> 00:35:21,161
Speaker 5: It's a similar they just got the just did different

760
00:35:21,241 --> 00:35:24,041
Speaker 5: things to make a living. You know, You've got a

761
00:35:24,121 --> 00:35:27,921
Speaker 5: showman traveler that will go out there and be a

762
00:35:27,961 --> 00:35:31,321
Speaker 5: part of like maybe a fair or a circus or

763
00:35:31,401 --> 00:35:33,761
Speaker 5: something like that. And then you get the other side

764
00:35:33,761 --> 00:35:36,001
Speaker 5: of the travelers, which, like some of them make some

765
00:35:36,161 --> 00:35:39,441
Speaker 5: serious money and involved some serious stuff, so they've decided

766
00:35:39,481 --> 00:35:42,801
Speaker 5: to go down that road. I know some serious traveling boys,

767
00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:45,361
Speaker 5: and they make some serious money and they're very very

768
00:35:45,441 --> 00:35:46,121
Speaker 5: naughty people.

769
00:35:46,321 --> 00:35:50,881
Speaker 1: Like but like very naughty naughty boys.

770
00:35:52,561 --> 00:35:52,801
Speaker 3: I do.

771
00:35:52,921 --> 00:35:53,841
Speaker 1: I have pig farms.

772
00:35:56,801 --> 00:35:59,241
Speaker 5: Imagine there is a few that I've got big farms. Yeah,

773
00:35:59,281 --> 00:36:01,201
Speaker 5: And I don't think I don't think they're dropping them

774
00:36:01,201 --> 00:36:03,361
Speaker 5: off for baking even you know, I think there's a

775
00:36:03,401 --> 00:36:04,121
Speaker 5: few people.

776
00:36:04,001 --> 00:36:07,641
Speaker 1: That have gone into missing this, but they are they

777
00:36:07,721 --> 00:36:08,401
Speaker 1: are good now.

778
00:36:09,161 --> 00:36:12,721
Speaker 5: If it's if there's some hard some hard traveling men

779
00:36:12,801 --> 00:36:15,041
Speaker 5: on this on this UKs and some of the toughest

780
00:36:15,081 --> 00:36:17,681
Speaker 5: men on the manor there really is. I've met some

781
00:36:17,801 --> 00:36:19,881
Speaker 5: good ones on my travels as well. To be fair,

782
00:36:20,121 --> 00:36:22,841
Speaker 5: I've never i've never really, never really been in a

783
00:36:22,921 --> 00:36:25,481
Speaker 5: situation where I fell out of any of the traveling community.

784
00:36:25,761 --> 00:36:28,081
Speaker 5: I've always really got one of them. There's a few

785
00:36:28,161 --> 00:36:31,961
Speaker 5: families in Telford and they're all involved with you know,

786
00:36:32,121 --> 00:36:34,841
Speaker 5: life one way, or if they're not involved in life,

787
00:36:35,001 --> 00:36:38,321
Speaker 5: they're usually involved with the building trade somewhere and smashing

788
00:36:38,361 --> 00:36:40,801
Speaker 5: it in some sort of business there like, whether it

789
00:36:40,961 --> 00:36:44,401
Speaker 5: be like the building, the roofing, or just just something

790
00:36:44,561 --> 00:36:47,561
Speaker 5: they're just I think whether you're a showing traveler or

791
00:36:47,681 --> 00:36:50,721
Speaker 5: just a traveler in general, I think you're just brought

792
00:36:50,841 --> 00:36:53,921
Speaker 5: up to whatever you might do, you know, whether it

793
00:36:54,081 --> 00:36:56,561
Speaker 5: be good or bad, to do it at your best,

794
00:36:57,241 --> 00:37:01,481
Speaker 5: you know. So basically breeds hard working men, basically, whether

795
00:37:01,561 --> 00:37:03,921
Speaker 5: that be on the good side or the bad sides.

796
00:37:04,001 --> 00:37:04,161
Speaker 4: You know.

797
00:37:05,121 --> 00:37:07,401
Speaker 5: Yeah, with my family it was like circus stocks and

798
00:37:07,481 --> 00:37:12,521
Speaker 5: nowadays circuses. There's a lot of acrobats, which I do appreciate,

799
00:37:12,681 --> 00:37:15,681
Speaker 5: you know, because that's a gift in a skill in itself.

800
00:37:15,761 --> 00:37:18,161
Speaker 5: But back in the day before the animal cruelty came

801
00:37:18,241 --> 00:37:20,761
Speaker 5: in in the eighties, you actually have all the animals,

802
00:37:20,801 --> 00:37:23,801
Speaker 5: the exotic animals and that, and that's when my family

803
00:37:23,881 --> 00:37:26,481
Speaker 5: were involved with the circus side of things, like I

804
00:37:26,521 --> 00:37:30,041
Speaker 5: can remember my grandma having little bears and stuff like that.

805
00:37:30,641 --> 00:37:32,841
Speaker 5: I can remember I was seeing some pictures that I

806
00:37:32,961 --> 00:37:34,601
Speaker 5: made sure our bloody showed my dad.

807
00:37:34,721 --> 00:37:36,481
Speaker 6: My dad dressed up as a clown and all that

808
00:37:36,641 --> 00:37:40,401
Speaker 6: type of stuff. And my granddad, Harry, he was, to

809
00:37:40,561 --> 00:37:43,401
Speaker 6: be fair, my Grandada was. He was quite a violent

810
00:37:43,481 --> 00:37:44,641
Speaker 6: man toward the family.

811
00:37:44,761 --> 00:37:47,561
Speaker 5: That and I none of the family really really speak

812
00:37:47,561 --> 00:37:49,041
Speaker 5: to now, but he was the man that he used

813
00:37:49,081 --> 00:37:49,841
Speaker 5: to fight in the ring.

814
00:37:50,561 --> 00:37:52,681
Speaker 6: And then so yeah, that's what I was saying about

815
00:37:52,681 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 6: the scar.

816
00:37:53,161 --> 00:37:55,081
Speaker 5: So it's quite fitting that I've ended up with a

817
00:37:55,161 --> 00:37:57,321
Speaker 5: smile on my face because you know, I suppose it's

818
00:37:57,361 --> 00:37:59,401
Speaker 5: in the DNA to be a bit of a clown anyway,

819
00:37:59,441 --> 00:38:04,201
Speaker 5: ain't it. And if you think, if you think so

820
00:38:05,601 --> 00:38:08,361
Speaker 5: Christian failures, the Lord's got he's got to have a

821
00:38:08,481 --> 00:38:10,921
Speaker 5: sense of you because he, like he said in part

822
00:38:10,921 --> 00:38:12,681
Speaker 5: of Mary Hart, has like mentioning.

823
00:38:12,441 --> 00:38:12,881
Speaker 6: For the soul.

824
00:38:13,081 --> 00:38:15,281
Speaker 5: So imagine if he just wanted to give me that

825
00:38:15,361 --> 00:38:17,961
Speaker 5: another little nudge to say this is going to lead

826
00:38:18,001 --> 00:38:21,161
Speaker 5: because it says in James. Since starts off as a thought,

827
00:38:22,001 --> 00:38:25,721
Speaker 5: when that force conceived, it gives birth to destruction. Eventually

828
00:38:25,841 --> 00:38:28,281
Speaker 5: that destruction leads to the death of man. So that's

829
00:38:28,321 --> 00:38:31,681
Speaker 5: all about your thought process. But then since then if

830
00:38:31,721 --> 00:38:33,681
Speaker 5: the Lord, you know, he had he's got a plan

831
00:38:33,801 --> 00:38:35,921
Speaker 5: for us, all yeah, but then he could see the

832
00:38:36,081 --> 00:38:38,601
Speaker 5: role that I was taking. You know, there's been cardiac

833
00:38:38,681 --> 00:38:41,921
Speaker 5: or has been messpirutory failure, there's been overdoses.

834
00:38:41,961 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 6: There's been times when people that try to take my life.

835
00:38:44,001 --> 00:38:45,161
Speaker 6: I tried to take my whole life.

836
00:38:45,441 --> 00:38:48,001
Speaker 5: All that chaos, that's all fun sid you know, from

837
00:38:48,041 --> 00:38:49,881
Speaker 5: the thoughts I was having and thinking, it was a

838
00:38:49,921 --> 00:38:50,441
Speaker 5: good idea.

839
00:38:50,921 --> 00:38:53,281
Speaker 6: So then if he's up there and he's thinking.

840
00:38:53,041 --> 00:38:54,841
Speaker 5: Well, I'm going to give you one more chance, Chris,

841
00:38:55,001 --> 00:38:56,641
Speaker 5: I'm going to give you another little nudge.

842
00:38:56,961 --> 00:38:59,721
Speaker 6: He's probably up there and he's like, well, I'll give

843
00:38:59,761 --> 00:39:01,321
Speaker 6: you a little nudge, but you've got a smile on

844
00:39:01,401 --> 00:39:03,081
Speaker 6: your face, my child, you know what I mean.

845
00:39:03,241 --> 00:39:06,161
Speaker 5: So he's wanted to give me another little morning that

846
00:39:06,281 --> 00:39:08,681
Speaker 5: I was going down that road, but he didn't want

847
00:39:08,721 --> 00:39:11,561
Speaker 5: to just totally like, you know, whatever, he thought.

848
00:39:11,561 --> 00:39:13,161
Speaker 6: I'll make sure he got a smile on the face.

849
00:39:13,281 --> 00:39:15,881
Speaker 5: You will be able to laugh about this eventually, but

850
00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:19,841
Speaker 5: at the time obviously devastated, you know, because obviously he's

851
00:39:19,841 --> 00:39:25,241
Speaker 5: finished from there. So it's a good one. But thankfully

852
00:39:25,641 --> 00:39:27,841
Speaker 5: the surgeon did say to me, he says, you've got

853
00:39:27,881 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 5: wonderful skin to so bus is our fans.

854
00:39:32,361 --> 00:39:35,681
Speaker 6: I ended with quite quite nice scars, so they're clean.

855
00:39:35,961 --> 00:39:36,401
Speaker 6: It's not like.

856
00:39:38,481 --> 00:39:38,521
Speaker 1: That.

857
00:39:38,681 --> 00:39:40,881
Speaker 6: Fact for that he says, how many stitches? He says,

858
00:39:40,921 --> 00:39:42,881
Speaker 6: forty eight. It's as well, thank you nice.

859
00:39:42,721 --> 00:39:49,321
Speaker 4: One, oh dear, well, I must like and thank you

860
00:39:49,401 --> 00:39:52,801
Speaker 4: for sharing that with us, because look, and I don't

861
00:39:52,841 --> 00:39:55,601
Speaker 4: want to make it a conscious you are and look,

862
00:39:56,001 --> 00:39:58,321
Speaker 4: you know I overheard to us that's that's what's known

863
00:39:58,321 --> 00:40:00,201
Speaker 4: as the Glasgow s long, you know, and to us

864
00:40:00,281 --> 00:40:03,161
Speaker 4: it's like the razor you're cut from either, you know,

865
00:40:03,241 --> 00:40:04,081
Speaker 4: the corner of your mouth.

866
00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:06,601
Speaker 1: And I know that this is something that is in

867
00:40:06,761 --> 00:40:07,561
Speaker 1: jail over there.

868
00:40:07,601 --> 00:40:11,161
Speaker 4: Has also done quite a lot when the situations the

869
00:40:11,201 --> 00:40:12,561
Speaker 4: boys will just slash.

870
00:40:12,721 --> 00:40:15,401
Speaker 6: Well, so when I've been put when I've been doing

871
00:40:15,441 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 6: a few things.

872
00:40:16,041 --> 00:40:18,961
Speaker 5: On an old judgment page, obviously there's the page is

873
00:40:19,041 --> 00:40:21,721
Speaker 5: called no judgment et you on, but you can imagine

874
00:40:21,721 --> 00:40:23,641
Speaker 5: the judgment you get when you've got the sky like

875
00:40:23,721 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 5: this on your face. The word grass always gets brought

876
00:40:26,521 --> 00:40:28,761
Speaker 5: to the table, the word not always gets brought to

877
00:40:28,841 --> 00:40:29,681
Speaker 5: the table, all.

878
00:40:29,641 --> 00:40:30,401
Speaker 6: That type of stuff.

879
00:40:31,361 --> 00:40:34,201
Speaker 5: But at the same time, it's a mark that they

880
00:40:34,281 --> 00:40:37,721
Speaker 5: put on people around here when they want to know

881
00:40:37,801 --> 00:40:40,881
Speaker 5: who you are. So say, for instance, when I went

882
00:40:40,961 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 5: and relieved them with that cash, obviously the first lad

883
00:40:44,561 --> 00:40:47,161
Speaker 5: got tagged with a haze on the floor, so he's

884
00:40:47,201 --> 00:40:50,001
Speaker 5: obviously all his body fluids have gone. And then I've

885
00:40:50,001 --> 00:40:51,721
Speaker 5: had to run up the stairs to get the other

886
00:40:51,841 --> 00:40:53,601
Speaker 5: lads because I know that he's got the cash.

887
00:40:54,041 --> 00:40:55,561
Speaker 6: They were pissed off, Brent.

888
00:40:55,761 --> 00:40:58,081
Speaker 5: Yeah, And to be fair, when I think back to

889
00:40:58,201 --> 00:41:01,601
Speaker 5: it them if I'm forty five now, I was about

890
00:41:02,601 --> 00:41:06,041
Speaker 5: thirty five thirty six, If I was in my mid

891
00:41:06,281 --> 00:41:09,241
Speaker 5: to mid twenties, they said like twenty four twenty five,

892
00:41:09,761 --> 00:41:11,721
Speaker 5: some keys are rocked up to my gaff when I

893
00:41:11,841 --> 00:41:14,361
Speaker 5: was at age, and when I've come bought all the money,

894
00:41:14,401 --> 00:41:16,601
Speaker 5: and then I've got to go explain to someone that

895
00:41:16,761 --> 00:41:18,041
Speaker 5: I haven't got the week's taking.

896
00:41:18,121 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 6: So I haven't got this, I haven't got that. Would

897
00:41:20,641 --> 00:41:22,881
Speaker 6: I would have been putting it exactly exactly.

898
00:41:23,001 --> 00:41:24,961
Speaker 5: So then when I got down to the bones a

899
00:41:24,961 --> 00:41:27,361
Speaker 5: get and thought about it, because there was obviously that

900
00:41:27,601 --> 00:41:30,361
Speaker 5: there was meetings with certain people to try maybe.

901
00:41:30,281 --> 00:41:33,001
Speaker 6: You know, you know, to get them back. Yeah. But

902
00:41:33,121 --> 00:41:35,521
Speaker 6: then when I sat down and I thought, well, what

903
00:41:35,641 --> 00:41:37,041
Speaker 6: would I have done at that age?

904
00:41:37,081 --> 00:41:39,481
Speaker 5: And I probably would have done something similar or just

905
00:41:39,601 --> 00:41:41,241
Speaker 5: as bad, or maybe a little bit worse.

906
00:41:41,361 --> 00:41:44,601
Speaker 6: So it's literally you reput yourself. You know, I know

907
00:41:44,761 --> 00:41:47,241
Speaker 6: all about karma. You know I know about it.

908
00:41:47,361 --> 00:41:49,281
Speaker 5: You know, I'm not one I used to say blah

909
00:41:49,321 --> 00:41:52,201
Speaker 5: blah blahh fuckham and all that. Fair play to him

910
00:41:52,201 --> 00:41:54,281
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, because I probably would

911
00:41:54,281 --> 00:41:56,361
Speaker 5: have done the same thing. I'm just glad that I

912
00:41:56,441 --> 00:41:58,761
Speaker 5: clock the little fucking behyming and never done me neck

913
00:41:58,841 --> 00:42:00,081
Speaker 5: To be quite honest.

914
00:42:00,121 --> 00:42:00,881
Speaker 6: Do you know what I mean?

915
00:42:02,001 --> 00:42:04,681
Speaker 4: Well that in all honesty, it could have gone a

916
00:42:04,681 --> 00:42:07,401
Speaker 4: little bit got You're right in the judge, you wouldn't.

917
00:42:07,041 --> 00:42:09,841
Speaker 6: Be you know what I mean, to stop the blood. No,

918
00:42:10,121 --> 00:42:13,041
Speaker 6: that's where I was your evidences, I would have been going.

919
00:42:13,321 --> 00:42:15,601
Speaker 5: It would just been like, no matter how much wording

920
00:42:15,681 --> 00:42:17,401
Speaker 5: you put on it, it just wouldn't have happened.

921
00:42:18,481 --> 00:42:20,641
Speaker 4: You know. I've got to be honest, and I do

922
00:42:20,801 --> 00:42:24,441
Speaker 4: love your content, and I'll tell you why, because you

923
00:42:24,801 --> 00:42:27,441
Speaker 4: like as you are speaking now. You know, you speak

924
00:42:27,601 --> 00:42:31,161
Speaker 4: very open, You talk in a way that you don't

925
00:42:31,201 --> 00:42:34,401
Speaker 4: glorify any of your crimes. And I'm going to be

926
00:42:34,521 --> 00:42:37,521
Speaker 4: very frank, we don't glorify anybody's crimes, including our own.

927
00:42:37,641 --> 00:42:39,921
Speaker 4: Here on the clink, we don't. You know, that's not

928
00:42:40,001 --> 00:42:42,561
Speaker 4: what it's about. It's about redemption, and it's about how

929
00:42:42,681 --> 00:42:45,481
Speaker 4: we can make an impact on other people's lives through

930
00:42:45,561 --> 00:42:48,681
Speaker 4: our lived experience. You know the way that you conduct

931
00:42:48,761 --> 00:42:52,561
Speaker 4: yourself today, And and I have heard and listened to

932
00:42:52,641 --> 00:42:54,601
Speaker 4: a few of your stories, and they give me a

933
00:42:54,681 --> 00:42:57,961
Speaker 4: chuckle inside, because it's how you speak, even in now.

934
00:42:58,321 --> 00:43:01,121
Speaker 4: You know, I can't sit here and say that it's

935
00:43:01,201 --> 00:43:04,041
Speaker 4: not funny to hear you talk about it, because and

936
00:43:04,441 --> 00:43:06,921
Speaker 4: that's not take and away from the seriousness and the

937
00:43:07,041 --> 00:43:08,121
Speaker 4: victims and all that stuff.

938
00:43:09,521 --> 00:43:10,201
Speaker 1: We do things.

939
00:43:10,681 --> 00:43:12,801
Speaker 4: And as I say to people, and many have asked me,

940
00:43:12,881 --> 00:43:15,321
Speaker 4: you know, I don't feel guilty for what you do,

941
00:43:15,481 --> 00:43:20,641
Speaker 4: and I don't feel guilt for what I've done. If

942
00:43:20,681 --> 00:43:24,481
Speaker 4: I have harmed or heard anybody in that process, I apologize,

943
00:43:24,561 --> 00:43:27,321
Speaker 4: and I truly, sincerely mean that I really do and

944
00:43:27,401 --> 00:43:29,241
Speaker 4: I ask for God to forgive me for that and

945
00:43:29,321 --> 00:43:31,401
Speaker 4: for those that I have in any way, shape or

946
00:43:31,481 --> 00:43:34,681
Speaker 4: form left with any traumas or anything along that road.

947
00:43:35,081 --> 00:43:37,481
Speaker 4: But I must also look, and I must look and

948
00:43:37,561 --> 00:43:40,561
Speaker 4: think that it's God's will that I'm here today talking

949
00:43:40,601 --> 00:43:43,841
Speaker 4: to you as you are with me, that we have

950
00:43:44,121 --> 00:43:47,121
Speaker 4: gone through that and experienced that, and we've been able

951
00:43:47,161 --> 00:43:50,441
Speaker 4: to then now deliver our truths to be able to

952
00:43:50,561 --> 00:43:54,561
Speaker 4: help others realize that this wasted time that we can

953
00:43:54,641 --> 00:43:59,761
Speaker 4: never get back, these times that we've spent incarcerated for those,

954
00:43:59,921 --> 00:44:03,561
Speaker 4: as you said, six minutes of decisions you know, cost

955
00:44:03,641 --> 00:44:06,001
Speaker 4: you fourteen and a half years. Now, put that in

956
00:44:06,121 --> 00:44:10,521
Speaker 4: perspective of life. Brother, you're forty five. I'm forty nine

957
00:44:10,601 --> 00:44:13,681
Speaker 4: this Friday, you know. And I look and I think, Brother,

958
00:44:13,921 --> 00:44:16,521
Speaker 4: I really thank you. And I think to myself, you know,

959
00:44:16,641 --> 00:44:19,161
Speaker 4: like I never expected to live to twenty one, let

960
00:44:19,201 --> 00:44:22,601
Speaker 4: alone forty. Now I'm looking at fifty and the life

961
00:44:22,681 --> 00:44:25,161
Speaker 4: that I've lived, like yourself and many of my guests,

962
00:44:25,241 --> 00:44:27,761
Speaker 4: I should be dead ten times over now, whether that

963
00:44:27,921 --> 00:44:31,121
Speaker 4: be through my own hands, through still living with suicidality,

964
00:44:31,521 --> 00:44:33,721
Speaker 4: or whether that be through somebody else's hands. And me

965
00:44:34,361 --> 00:44:36,961
Speaker 4: wearing the scars, are like yourself to tell the story

966
00:44:37,561 --> 00:44:40,921
Speaker 4: either way. You know, we are truly blessed to be

967
00:44:41,001 --> 00:44:43,721
Speaker 4: here today to help others. And you know, I just

968
00:44:44,001 --> 00:44:47,241
Speaker 4: commend you on the way you do tell your story

969
00:44:47,361 --> 00:44:50,001
Speaker 4: because it is it's a very serious story. It's not

970
00:44:50,121 --> 00:44:53,321
Speaker 4: one to be taken lightly. You've definitely walked the walk

971
00:44:53,401 --> 00:44:56,321
Speaker 4: and talked to talk, but you don't glorify it. You

972
00:44:56,401 --> 00:44:59,241
Speaker 4: don't big note yourself, you don't walk around your chest pump.

973
00:44:59,401 --> 00:45:01,961
Speaker 4: You know, I really commend I like that. I've got

974
00:45:02,041 --> 00:45:04,161
Speaker 4: no time for these flexes that get around on their

975
00:45:04,201 --> 00:45:07,761
Speaker 4: Instagram or socials and you know, and I'm not having

976
00:45:07,801 --> 00:45:10,601
Speaker 4: to go here at everybody. But unfortunately, the generation that's

977
00:45:10,681 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 4: coming through now it's all about who's got the best

978
00:45:12,481 --> 00:45:13,001
Speaker 4: fucking water.

979
00:45:13,281 --> 00:45:14,921
Speaker 1: Well, you're not going to impress me.

980
00:45:15,321 --> 00:45:18,601
Speaker 4: There's nothing I haven't seen done or fucking done being

981
00:45:18,681 --> 00:45:20,961
Speaker 4: through in forty nine years that you're going to tell

982
00:45:21,001 --> 00:45:23,201
Speaker 4: me or say that it's the best, or you did

983
00:45:23,281 --> 00:45:24,841
Speaker 4: this and you out did that, or he's seeing that

984
00:45:24,961 --> 00:45:25,401
Speaker 4: much money.

985
00:45:25,561 --> 00:45:26,801
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck.

986
00:45:27,201 --> 00:45:30,361
Speaker 4: I'd rather be broke, not have to look over my shoulder,

987
00:45:30,681 --> 00:45:33,161
Speaker 4: be the best father and husband I can be and

988
00:45:33,281 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: be a good human in the community, and then talk

989
00:45:36,601 --> 00:45:39,961
Speaker 4: myself about how proud I am about committing myself to

990
00:45:40,041 --> 00:45:43,601
Speaker 4: helping others and making a better option through my own

991
00:45:43,761 --> 00:45:44,481
Speaker 4: lived experience.

992
00:45:44,761 --> 00:45:47,521
Speaker 1: Then flexan on fucking who I thought I was or

993
00:45:47,561 --> 00:45:50,121
Speaker 1: what I've wor stores walked and done, like shut the

994
00:45:50,281 --> 00:45:53,281
Speaker 1: fuck up, And that's where we'll leave it for now.

995
00:45:53,561 --> 00:45:55,601
Speaker 4: In Part two, we go deeper into the chaos on

996
00:45:55,641 --> 00:45:58,321
Speaker 4: the streets today, how Chris is using his past to

997
00:45:58,361 --> 00:46:01,801
Speaker 4: guide the next generation, and what true redemption looks like.

998
00:46:02,401 --> 00:46:05,721
Speaker 1: That's next week on the clink for the record.

999
00:46:05,761 --> 00:46:09,001
Speaker 2: I'm done trying to make y'all comfortable for the record.

1000
00:46:09,121 --> 00:46:11,721
Speaker 2: You ain't trying to grow down stuff for you for

1001
00:46:11,841 --> 00:46:15,001
Speaker 2: the record. Live on me going all the way for

1002
00:46:15,121 --> 00:46:17,241
Speaker 2: the record. Ain't trying to link, No, trying to waste

1003
00:46:17,881 --> 00:46:18,361
Speaker 2: all that for.

1004
00:46:18,441 --> 00:46:23,881
Speaker 3: The record, for the record. H for the for the record,

1005
00:46:24,841 --> 00:46:32,761
Speaker 3: for the record, for the record, for the record. H

1006
00:46:40,001 --> 00:46:40,321
Speaker 3: m hm

1007
00:46:42,881 --> 00:46:43,001
Speaker 4: Hm