WEBVTT - #2112 Three Wise Monkeys (With Issues) - Bobby Cappuccio 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.080 I'll get a term. It's Bobby and tip from Craig. 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:07.240 It's the project that you hope you're terrific. Let's start 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.360 with the bloke. And I'm not going to be funny today. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:11.880 I'm going to start with the actual bloke. You're a 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:13.800 pretend bloke, tiff Hi, Bobby? 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.280 How are you all right? Craig? Aw's I going hops? 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:21.520 It's gone all right? So what are we were? Tuesday? 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:23.040 What are you? Monday night? Now? 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:24.239 Monday night? 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.960 Get you up, butter Cup, Good morning, good early afternoon 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:30.240 to you, Tiffany and Cook? 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.479 How are you fabulous? Fabulous? 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.159 And I get excited when I get to chat with 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.080 Bobby on the show because we used to catch up 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.279 a lot, and I often don't get to be in 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.080 the sessions with him, so I'm excited. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.040 I'm glad you got yourself a boyfriend. Now we're just 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:45.080 not talking anymore, do we. 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.000 Oh, you're not allowed to bring that up, Bobby. You're 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:51.560 no law to bring that out. I get in trouble 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:55.760 for that. I get letters. I get the letters from lawyers. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:01:01.000 Do not mention the relationship on a fourth than. Henceforth, 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:05.200 you shall cease to discuss all matters getting into all 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:12.840 private to activity and cook and Scott Berry fucking dissed. 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:19.120 Sometimes Harps does try to have more inappropriate things to 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.280 say on air, So. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.199 I'm just going to feedback. I get on Scott's fucking 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.960 messages that he sends me in those short videos that 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:33.360 I wish would be less grainy, But anyway, I just 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:37.039 try and summarize it for the listeners. I haven't asked 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.440 you about that for quite a few episodes. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:42.760 I went to say, you went to say weeks and 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:44.040 it was like that at man weeks. 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.400 That's true. I was going to stay weeks and I went, now, 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.920 don't bush yourself. It's been fucking days anyway. That's all right, 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.800 But all things good at camp You and Scott. 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:56.160 Yep, fabulous, thank you. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.400 I see major. All I see in terms of you 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.600 posting shit with him or related to him is the 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.240 food that he makes you. It's like a match made 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:06.760 in heaven. 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:08.040 Oh my god, you're. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.480 A complete guts and he loves cooking food. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:19.240 I just got the famous brownies me goodness, well seals 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.360 the deal, doesn't it. The thing I've eaten, O, we got, 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.280 they've gone, it's gone already, whole batch. He's just had 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.440 his first lesson in Tiff cook brownie portion and control 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.160 all like thereof. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.200 Yes, so if you were ever on the fence, that 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:39.680 was the game changer. Oh yeah, Bobby, do you have 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.640 such like? Tiff loves food right, And sometimes when she's 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.720 at the gym she goes and I don't mean like 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:52.720 once a month, I mean every second time. I'm hungry. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.760 And so when she lifts weights, she gets hungrier through 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.000 the workout and proceeds to tell me twenty five times 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.280 in the hour how angry and hungry she is. Like, 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:08.919 as somehow my fault. I don't eat for you. Don't 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:10.960 come to the gym. If you're going to get grumpy 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.239 and ungrateful, fuck off and need a pie. Just look 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.399 like a bag of shit. I don't care. Just sit 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.200 on the couch and eat yourself into oblivion. But don't 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.880 come here and bitch. There's lots of listeners that might 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:25.000 want your spot. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:34.679 To the gym, Bobby, don't you Sometimes don't you ever 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.920 do a particular movement like single arm rose and something 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:43.840 about engaging my core that way just makes this fiery 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.720 feeling of intense hunger just wave over me. So I 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.000 do that and then I'll stand up with God. That 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:51.000 makes me hungry. 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.200 Yeah, I notice I get very hungry when I do 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:54.600 a single. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.000 Yeah, I think that's I think that's well documented in science. 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.840 Is probably at least twenty papers on that the correlation 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:06.640 between hunger increase and one arm rows, especially if your 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:11.240 name's Tip and you're fucking crazy. But other than that, Hey. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:12.960 That's what I do at the end of the workout 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.000 because if I don't have a snack as wall straight after, 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:15.960 I've just gone mental. 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.599 I'm sure there's something in the blood sugar kind of 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.760 thing that's gone on there. All right, So speaking of that, 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.440 we though we do, we don't know is going to 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.720 be any good everyone, So you know, just be ready 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.280 to push the off button at any stage. But we 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.160 I don't think we three have ever had a collective 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.160 discussion about because all of us come from background and 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:43.080 working in gyms, training lots of people prescribing exercise, and 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.440 lots of other stuff in the health wellness space, and 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.840 we all still train and we all still try to 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.800 keep in shape. And what we just discovered is that 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.000 there's ten years between all three of us in that 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.239 Tip being forty two, Bobby fifty two, in a minute 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:02.080 and me sixty two, which probably is not a bad representation. 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.719 I think our listeners kind of go up at about 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:07.760 I think we go from not many in their twenties 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.520 to quite a lot in their thirties, but thirties, forties, fifties, 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.440 and even sixties we get listeners, which is good. Shout 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.680 out to you old fucks just like me, welcome to 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:20.320 the category. Couldn't enjoy it more? So I thought we might. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.480 And again, none of this is as Bobby and I 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.760 spoke about recently. It's not advice, it's not a recommendation. 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.400 But I, for one, like listening to people that I 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.800 listen to or that I like or respect just when 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.680 they talk about I like it when they talk to 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.839 a guest or they're talking about a certain topic. But 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:45.080 I like hearing about how they actually live, what they do, 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.440 how they keep in shape, how they manage their mind 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:51.960 or their food or their fucking energy, and all of that. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.839 So I thought we might just have a lazy talk 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.000 about all of that stuff. So why don't we kick 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.880 off with I want you to give me a score 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.560 on ex thing I go for, like ten being you 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.080 couldn't be any better at it? And one is complete 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.800 dog shit. If let's go sleep off the top for 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:14.279 you one as shit. Ten is good and of course 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:18.240 it varies. But like over time, what's your kind of 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:19.679 average score for sleep? 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:25.920 I reckon it did sit between six and seven for me. Yeah, 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:30.280 not ideal, not awesome, terrible, not like what are. 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.560 The variables or the limiting or positive factors around that few? 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.240 What helps and what gets in the way. 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.040 A very stringent wind down routine and getting a bit 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:46.480 early annoyingly is great. So if I if I do 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:50.400 that process, well I can get to sleep. If I don't, 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.680 I'm awake until you know, after twelve, one, two three, 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.720 But regardless, I'll wake up anywhere between four thirty and 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.680 five point thirty. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.359 I've never asked you this, but I just feel like 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.279 it's going to be a low school I could be 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.359 totally wrong. What's your school give? What type? 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.800 Oh, it's about A three or four lately, not like 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:17.240 I've ever. I had a doctor, Andrew Hiller, neurologists tell 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.760 me that because of the extent of my brain damage. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.360 He said, you're never fully asleep and you're never completely awake, 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.120 which explains a lot about my day to day life. 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.640 So that made total sense. Thank you. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.040 That was that was that was worthwhile. Do you know 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.760 what that actually means? Though? Like, what does that actually mean? 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:35.840 You never fully awake? 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.720 He just said that my my, my sleep wake cycles 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:46.520 are so disrupted and my brain's not ever optimally switched 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:50.160 on and it's not ever optimally switched off. He didn't 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.520 really explain it because we had so much else to cover. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:57.200 There was like there was there was extensive damage and 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:01.240 extensive things that he wanted to go over. What was 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.720 interesting about this guy is he told me so many 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.600 things about my life without ever asking me, without me 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.840 ever filling out a survey. He was just like, right, 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:16.480 this is kind of how your life went related to trauma, 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.520 and especially blunt force trauma. This is when it happened, 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.600 this and when it ended. I was like, Wow, this 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.040 guy's like this guy spot on. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.480 Wow, that's incredible. What do you think in the overall 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:32.400 both of you tif overall kind of of all the 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.160 variables we talk about health, you know, sleep and exercise, 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:39.400 movement and stress, and you know interpersonal relationships and anxiety 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.600 and the impact of work and environment and all of that. 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.199 Where do you put what's sleep? 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.920 I put sleep sleep sits at number one, I reckon. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.840 But also some of those things that you mentioned have 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.200 an impact on sleep. Sleep will knock all of them 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.079 over real quick. But I think also some of them 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.480 will peak anxiety and then affect your sleep. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.440 I think that's a really good point to make, Like 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.280 none of these things really operate in isolation. Like you 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:16.720 think about emotions affect your health, food affects your health. Well, 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.880 think about the relationship for you between emotions and the 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.920 state of mind and food. Like if you're hungry, your 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:27.000 brain goes offline and your emotions go nuts or not, 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:28.959 not totally, but you know what I'm. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:29.480 Saying a little bit. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:36.600 You do get kind of unlikable when you're hungry. Ah, 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:38.880 what about you, Bobby, Where do you think that sits 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.720 in the hierarchy of importance of kind of health factors 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:44.480 that we can somewhat manipulate? 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:46.920 Well, are you talking about eating food? 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:48.880 No, We're talking about sleep. 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.559 Oh? Sleep? Well, I think sleep is one of those 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:57.239 things that we can highly influence. I mean sleep haging practices. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.600 What your morning afternoon evening tools look like, it's great. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.800 Are you going to impact your sleep? Are you getting 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.920 sunlight in the morning like lately, I'm just struggling with 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.560 a lot of things I'm not going to talk about 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:14.920 the podcast, and my anxiety is skyrocketing. So I wake 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.240 up a few times during the night, just like literally 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.760 thinking about all this, these ruminating thoughts in my head. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.960 But are are you sticking to your rituals? Are you 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.960 getting sunlight when when you're up early in the morning, 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.760 you know, are you engaging a proper sleep hygiene? Are 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.480 you sitting in doom scrolling like twenty seconds before you're 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.040 going to sleep, an hour before you're going to sleep. 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:41.840 Are you decompressing, doing something like light mobility work, just 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.360 a little bit of movement, maybe a hot shower, some 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.079 thermal regulation, you know, reading a book. Are you sleeping 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.200 in a dark room? Cold room? Like, all of these 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:55.120 variables we can manipulate. So I don't think we're absolutely 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.480 in control of a lot of things, but I think 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:04.240 sleep falls into the category of highly influenceable. If that's 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.439 even more could you really pull that out and scrabble? 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.120 Yeah, I reckon you could. I reckon you could on 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.199 eight out of ten cats does countdown as maybe also, 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.760 but just in the overall hierarchy everything you said, I'm 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.040 on board with. But if you just had to pop 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.240 it somewhere, if we're talking about all of the things, 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.040 would it be in the top three sleep as a 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.600 factor affecting health? 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:29.000 Oh? 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.160 Probably? Yeah, I say it's definitely up there. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:38.480 What do you think TIF is the most almost misunderstood 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:43.080 or underrated thing, component, variable, factor, whatever you want to 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:48.600 call it, that affects people's Well, we're kind of going 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.640 for physical health, but let's go all over health. But yeah, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.240 now let's go physical health. Let's just talk about cells 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:59.640 and physiology, anatomy and physical function. What do you think 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.240 is the one of the things, if not the thing, 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.080 because I've got one thing that sticks out for me. Also, 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.400 I'll talk about my sleep if anyone's interested. But what's 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.800 something that for you? You reckon? People don't think about 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:12.720 enough when they think physical health. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.560 I think stress, which probably sounds like a dumb answer 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.640 because they do think about it. But I don't think 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:24.800 that we recognize what is stress for the breadth of 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.320 what it is mental stress and how the nervous system 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:32.280 is running, and all of the things that Like I'm 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.439 because I do a range of different things, I can 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.240 come home and say I haven't done any work today 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.520 and I've done eight hours of work, I've paid. But 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.120 because it's different stuff, or it might be a podcast 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:45.840 and some clients and some this and some that, and 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.960 I haven't done anything, and my brain doesn't ever switch off. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.959 And when your brain is on, you are in performance 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:56.800 mode and you're listening stress hormones over time. 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.280 Yeah, I actually think you're right in that, Like you said, oh, 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.880 it's mainly Yeah, of course there's an emotional and a 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.680 mental health impact, but also there is a very real 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:15.559 physical impact, Like stress makes you physically sick, Anxiety produces hormones. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:19.960 You do not want continuous kind of pressure of the 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.360 bad kind. We're not talking about U stress. We're talking 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:27.360 about distress. You know, that negative stress that doesn't do 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:32.079 us any good, that literally kind of creates disease. You know, 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.840 you think it creates an inflammatory response in the body. 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.959 Virtually every disease, if not every disease, is correlated with 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:43.000 some kind of inflammation. Like there's a pretty clear path 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.160 from what's happening in your head to what's happening in 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:50.440 your body. So I think you know definitely that And 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.400 you think just when like you walk on stage, or 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.680 some people walk on stage, or some people forget stage. 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.679 Some people go to a PTA meeting and they've got 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.319 a talk for thirty second to the rest of the group, 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.920 and you know, that's just a cognitive task, but it's 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:11.839 an overwhelmingly disempowering physical proposition for them because they can't 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.040 fucking breathe because their heart rates through the roof and 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.719 their blood pressures a million over a million, and they 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.760 feel a bit sick, and all of this is a 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.360 physical consequence of something that's happening in their head. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:29.000 Yeah, and every spike needs recovery. Like I remember a 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.920 couple of years ago sitting and thinking to myself, Oh, 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.760 I've had a lot of stress this year, but I've 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:41.479 equally had the same amount of overwhelming excitement. And excitement 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:45.320 is similar neurochemistry. Excitement is the body amped up on 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:50.240 a very similar chemistry. So that's excitements, not downtime just 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:55.680 because it feels good. It's the mody hyper aroused m And. 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.400 I think also conversely, while we're talking about hormones and 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.400 impact on our health or psychology or emotion, you switch 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:06.520 that around to being with someone that you fucking love like. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.640 And I'm not even being funny, but you think about 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.280 you being with Scott, spending time with someone that you 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:16.880 someone that you someone that you care about. I didn't 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:18.840 want to commit you, right, so I just fucking gave 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:23.120 you an escape route. You're welcome someone that you care 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.960 about Scott. I know you love her though it'll come, mate, 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:31.680 she'll say it one day. Just fucking be patient. But 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.320 you're spending time with him, assuming you're not having a 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:39.600 blue is literally good for your health. Literally, you know, 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.840 people don't think about that like that's so important, and 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.880 think about conversely when you know people are like my 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.880 mum and dad who've been married four sixty five sixty 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:56.840 five years, like, oh my god, I'm you know, like, 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:58.840 how do you think that's going to go when one 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.920 of them is not around? I'm terrified about that. But 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.800 it's just tis what it is, you know, there's just 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.040 they're literally, you know, not always, but for the most part, 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.840 that proximity and that familiarity and that love and that 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:17.520 certainty and that predictability and all of those intertwining variables 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.360 make their life better because they're with each other and 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.640 near each other fucking all the time, all the time. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:28.480 It's been a far more visceral response and experience for 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:32.440 me because I haven't had it for so long that 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:37.680 to feel that now and notice sometimes like the dial 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.920 is down on the thinking and the producing and the 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.680 doing because it's like, oh, it's just nice to spend time. 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.520 So now I'm not looking for things to achieve all 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.040 the time, and what can we do and what can 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.280 we squeeze in? Is just yeah, So that's it's interesting. 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:55.520 M Bobby. Can we open a new door and ask 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.160 you about I want to ask you a specific question first, 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.360 which I don't know if you'll have a specific answer to, 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:05.520 But if you had to describe your relationship with food, 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.240 like what what would that look like if you had 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.399 to explain you and food? Is it standard? Is it weird? 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.719 Is it kind of boring and predictable? 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:23.920 It's probably anxious avoidant? Go on, I fucking here's the thing. 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.000 Tip. You never know what's going to come out, do 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:29.639 you know? Sometimes I think funk I should be taken notes. 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.760 This is mind blowing. Other Times I'm like, oh what. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.880 Now? And how do I explain this? Let me hang 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.119 on to a rock as I try to walk this. 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:45.399 I got into rock today at work, so like it anyway? 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.440 Can you get back on topic rain men. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:53.159 It like I really I obsessed with the foods, like 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.960 I really really want it, and I felt like I 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:01.200 need it, and I'm constantly trying to sneak it into 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.800 my daily routine in my life. And then that's it. 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:09.520 I'm done with it. I completely avoid it. Not food altogether, 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:13.800 but some of my trigger foods like crunchy shit. I 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:23.040 have a very dysfunctional relationship with crunchy things like popcorn, pretzels. Yeah, 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:23.920 what about. 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.720 We call an Australia chips or in the state's crisps 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.000 or you know, like salt vinegar or barbecue chips. What 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:32.359 do you how do you go with those? 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.240 Not interested at all? 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:35.720 Wow? 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:39.879 No, I mean hot chips. Yeah, but every once in 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.040 a while, like a proper chip will be really nice. 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:51.840 But so crisps, Nah, what's your what's your nutritional kryptonite? 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:57.560 It's probably it's probably not sweets as much as it's 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.320 just like a lot of pasta and bread and things 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:06.240 like that. Pizza, Oh, that's so nice. So do you 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:11.080 feel like Chinese takeaway is really nice? Curry? So there's 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.719 all these foods that they just absolutely love, and then 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.200 I'm like, nah, that's it. I'm on, I'm on plant 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.399 based for the next fours. 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:22.840 I don't care I chicken CASHW stir fry. I think 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.880 I've taken you to the chicken cashw stir fry joint. 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.240 And then I'll wake up at three o'clock and I 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.880 want to drink a fucking ocean because there's so much 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:31.600 salt in it. 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.080 Yea, actually, so that's kind of the things that I 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:36.320 run into problems with. 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:41.720 Yeah, yeah, so I'll just quickly reverse for me everyone. 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:46.480 I think for me personally, sleepers right up there. Everything 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:51.800 goes better. Everything isn't perfect, and everything isn't fixed, But yeah, 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.359 if I'm under slept, I think it's almost for me. 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.560 I mean, of course, in terms of real life obviously 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:01.760 food and oxygen are pretty fucking important, but day to 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.480 day kind of survival and thriving and performance for me, 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:10.960 slippers paramount food has always been my biggest challenge, but 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.240 I would say it's far less of a challenge now. 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.440 It's just kind of I'm in a kind of a 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:18.800 system or a model or a protocol that works for me, 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.840 and it's not robotic, and it still gives me joy 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.720 and it still tastes good. But you know they're just 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:30.359 shit that I will never eat. So if we and 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.399 then how do you go, Bobby, Because I mean you 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.159 and I have trained quite a few times, but not 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.159 we've probably trained in our lives ten times together or 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.800 something like that. Hard when you live on the other 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.400 side of the world. But what is your training kind 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:51.080 of philosophy or protocol. Now at almost fifty two with 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.920 a few injuries. 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:57.120 Yeah, I'm just happy I can move. I do basically 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.640 two on one day off training, so you know, kind 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.879 of like a push pull routine that feels nice for me. 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.679 It feels okay for my joints. So training, I'm always 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.160 in a lot of pain. I have a lot of injuries. 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.000 You know, I have a new one from last year 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.240 that's just not going away. But I try to move 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.639 as often as possible. I am just a different human 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:20.480 being when I'm in the gym every day. 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.680 So explain to people people who don't know what push 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:28.639 pool means. And also training, So you're talking about strength training, 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.199 and you're talking about strength training two days in a 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:35.240 row and then a day of nothing or oh no, 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:36.960 I mean I move around a lot. 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:40.040 It's active rest. I'm never going to do a cardio. 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.760 You will never see me on a treadmill walking to nowhere, 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.760 or on a stair climber like climbing stairs that go 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:51.119 absolutely freaking nowhere, because I live in San Diego and 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:54.920 I have this amazing cardio machine. We call it outside, 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.199 and I just go out there and I move. So 0:21:58.920 --> 0:21:59.800 that's kind of cool. 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:04.359 You just insulted all our friends who do tread millan 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:05.680 steak climber. 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.280 I support people doing whatever they want. I just cannot 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:12.360 sit there on a bike that's just not going anywhere, 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.600 like what am I doing? Like to me, that is 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:18.040 the most mind numbing, repetitive thing ever. But I could 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:22.960 get outside and move. I restructure my environment in a 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:28.200 way where movement is a natural consequence of day to 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:33.480 day necessity. So for example, I'm about nearly a kilometer 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.919 from a shop I frequent. So if I'm gonna go 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:41.000 there and pick up things like avocados, eggs, whatever, you know, 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:44.320 whatever I need, it's just like it's found movement. I'm 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:46.560 gonna walk there. I'm not gonna jump into the car 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.240 and drive down there and then I'm just gonna walk home. 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:52.720 So that's just movement built into your day. So I 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:57.000 try to do things like that. Although living in this place, 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.800 I'm probably the building's very self can so I'm not 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:03.800 moving as much as I should be, But I try 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:06.720 to build movement into my day to day environment. 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.480 And for people who live wights and understand a little 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:12.800