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Speaker 1: Do Do Do Do Do do bood do boo do

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Speaker 2: Beooty bit do do do do dude. Hello and welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show. It's better than yesterday. My name's Asha Ginsburg.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here today. It's Christmas Day, the day

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Speaker 2: that you're listening to this, and we've got the best

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Speaker 2: of episode to listen to on your new phone or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for listening today.

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Speaker 4: My name was Osha Ginsburg and this is better than yesterday,

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Speaker 4: making it better every episode since twenty and thirteen.

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Speaker 3: I'm very glad you're here. I hope you having a

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Speaker 3: good day if.

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Speaker 4: Christmas is your thing, but if it's not, I'll stop

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Speaker 4: playing you clearly.

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Speaker 3: Now do you ever really stop playing you clearly?

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Speaker 4: No, No, you don't. Thanks so much for being here.

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Speaker 4: It is Christmas Day. I hope the day is great

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Speaker 4: however it is for you, I hope it's awesome. I've

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Speaker 4: popped a Christmas story up on the substack that I'd

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Speaker 4: love you to love you to check out. The link

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Speaker 4: is in the show notes for the substack, and that's

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Speaker 4: also where you can get live tickets for the next

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Speaker 4: episode of a story Club, which is a live show.

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Speaker 3: We do a storytelling show we do here in Sydney.

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Speaker 4: Now we're going to keep the feet nice and busy

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Speaker 4: over the holidays. I do like to do some best

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Speaker 4: ofs at this time of year, and so breaking with

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Speaker 4: tradition a little bit on a day of tradition, rather

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Speaker 4: than have one guest to be our best off today,

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Speaker 4: we're going to do three guests of the best of

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Speaker 4: the guests of today. So we're going to listen to

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Speaker 4: a bit of Amy Shark talking about the stat of

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Speaker 4: the music industry, how hard it is really for an

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Speaker 4: artist to make a buck, Linda Marigliano talking about making

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Speaker 4: a baby. Don't worry, it's it's the other part, not

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Speaker 4: the part you probably brain went to, but the other part.

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Speaker 4: And right now we're going to dive into when Nazim

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Speaker 4: Hussein came to visit at the apartment I was living

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Speaker 4: in with Heggy during the Melmon Comedy Festival last year.

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Speaker 4: He is brilliant. He is so smart, he's very funny

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Speaker 4: and very very sweary. Enjoy this little moment business.

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Speaker 3: When people meet you and they go I thought you'd

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Speaker 3: be different.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what, like maybe with comedians, it's like

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Speaker 5: there is the expectation that you're always stage one, you know,

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Speaker 5: and when you meet people on the street and they're

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Speaker 5: in Willies and this couple came up to me and

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Speaker 4: And then they just go hi.

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Speaker 5: And nazim and then like I said Hi, Hey, how's

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Speaker 4: Work the crowd. You know, what do you guys? What's

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Speaker 5: What do you do?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Wow stores?

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Speaker 3: Huh exactly.

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Speaker 4: I mean I want to deal with this to Woppoli,

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Speaker 4: so the whole.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's like healthy, look at the calories on

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Speaker 5: this protein. But the whole thing was just like it's

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Speaker 5: just you gotta be on because if you're just normal,

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Speaker 5: they're like, that's just.

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Speaker 5: This is why I think I feel like they're gonna

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Speaker 5: excited to me that guy. Maybe I shouldn't have met him.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't as funny as he's on his videos, you know,

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Speaker 5: but the future ticket holder is usher, you know, so

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Speaker 4: Hey, you don't meet Sean White in the supermarket and

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Speaker 3: I'm standing here getting some tomatoes.

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Speaker 5: You're right, you don't meet Ned Brockman out and about

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Speaker 4: Get a haircut net.

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Speaker 3: I'm not even in a barbershop totally, Like I'm just

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Speaker 5: I think it's like kind of our jobs because where

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Speaker 5: getting paid and you can't get You got to pay,

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Speaker 4: Tell you what, I'm staying with Luke Hagey right now.

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Speaker 4: And for his merch desk. He's got a little tap

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Speaker 4: not like at the markets, ten Bucks guys, ten Bucks.

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Speaker 5: Two minute chat.

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Speaker 4: He just has one of that.

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Speaker 5: Can you just like sidle up to somebody and just

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Speaker 3: There's some I don't know, there must be something.

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Speaker 4: No, there's an app involved, there's a text and things

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Speaker 4: He part of the clear he's very very clever dude.

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Speaker 4: But part of the things that he's interested in is

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Speaker 4: there's things that brains do but they only do in

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Speaker 3: But I'm also not a person that believes in anything.

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Speaker 4: He's got all these things that like, if you do

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Speaker 5: Honestly, like you know because born and raised in Australia,

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Speaker 5: Like you know, I've got Schrilankan, very shri Lankan household.

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Speaker 5: It's almost like the you know, coming together and almost

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Speaker 4: I always feel like giving always helps.

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Speaker 5: Me feel like like that kind of takes me to

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Speaker 4: So what do you call it?

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Speaker 5: Whatever, Sam Harrison, I think I always feel like when

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Speaker 5: You turn on the news and everything is so out

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Speaker 3: In my mouth, more enjoyment, more like praise.

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Speaker 5: And so yeah, I feel like just doing things for

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Speaker 4: Here's five bucks to put in your wallet, just so

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Speaker 5: She always makes it a point to like have some

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, we don't do it enough.

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Speaker 4: It's called Humankind, and he really kind of highlights in

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Speaker 4: a fantastic way, like the true, only true source of

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Speaker 4: But actually to give that TV to something, yeah, well

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Speaker 4: a thing that ignites that thing within us.

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Speaker 3: We're wired for it.

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Speaker 4: That's how we survive like this because it's it is

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Speaker 4: that we are not what does he say, it's not

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Speaker 4: survivable the fittest, it's survivable of the friendliness friendliest. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's how forty people can get together to kill a mammoth,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is actually because it is you know, sometimes

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Speaker 4: But actually I think you just like a manifest I

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Speaker 4: want a Smith Corona typewriter.

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Speaker 5: Exactly, you lose your mind.

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Speaker 3: And also like you just need that connection.

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Speaker 5: It's like that there's some sort of like experiment where

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Speaker 5: And and the first time everyone just went and looked

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Speaker 7: safety nets, that sort of security.

439
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 4: So I'll go to America where it's like one hundred

440
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 4: and sixteen thousand dollars.

441
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 7: Oh my god, the health insurance everything.

442
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 8: I'm very you.

443
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 7: Know, thankful to have a partner that very much helps

444
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 7: me out in that zone.

445
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 6: But the confronting feeling of being so grateful to.

446
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 7: Be in this position. Oh my god, we got pregnant.

447
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 7: I'm so happy to be doing this with you. I'm

448
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 7: so excited about this next step in my life. I

449
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 7: can't wait to progress into whatever this next era of

450
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 7: me is going to be, and also going, what the

451
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 7: fuck am I about to lose? You know, potentially what

452
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 7: am I? I can't ignore the fact that I reckon

453
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 7: I'll grieve or feel confronted by I Now. I have

454
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 7: to step back from this, and I can't multitask this,

455
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 7: and I can't say yes to all these things, which

456
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 7: I think I'll be very grateful and happy to say

457
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 7: no to, because there'll be this thing that I care

458
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 7: about more than fucking anything in the world, undoubtedly, but

459
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 7: it is daunting to think about can I get back

460
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 7: on the tool? When can I get back on those

461
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 7: tools again?

462
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 4: Well, I have no doubt that the things that got

463
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 4: you because a similarly, there's only so many jobs to

464
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 4: host the night show on Triple J. In fact, there's one.

465
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 4: And to say this competition for that gig is an understatement.

466
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 4: And the kind of person that you are, the kind

467
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 4: of person you have to be to do that, that's

468
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 4: still who you are, Like all the things that all

469
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 4: the things that got you your career, all the things

470
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 4: that got you to a point of like, yes, I'm

471
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 4: going to go on to Europe as a DJ. This

472
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 4: is what's going to happen now and doing it, all

473
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 4: that stuff will stay. You don't lose it, you know. Yeah,

474
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 4: very true, And yes there is never ending laundry, and

475
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 4: yes it is. Yes, But I'll tell you, I'll tell you.

476
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 4: Maybe this will talk to you about what I'm trying

477
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 4: to say. I had lived in America for ten years

478
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 4: and I met Audrey in June of twenty fourteen. I

479
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 4: had by that point hosted I'm still the only Australian

480
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 4: I have ever hosted live network prime time across America

481
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 4: on CBS seven eight Central, Like it was fucking unbelievable.

482
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 4: Like this front of the front of the front of

483
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 4: the plane, you know, Taylor's with private jet kind of stuff, right.

484
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 4: And I was developing, and I was taking pitch meetings,

485
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 4: and I was this and that and the other, and

486
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 4: I was hunting, hunting, hunting, hunting, and then I I

487
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 4: met Audrey and I met Georgia, and I was like, ah,

488
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 4: all right, this is it, this is what I want.

489
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 4: Whatever I was driving me to stay in America or

490
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 4: in this thing that was no longer what it is

491
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 4: that I wanted to jump out of bed and push towards.

492
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 4: I wanted to like, whatever this life is with these

493
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 4: two people is what I want to figure it out.

494
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 4: And within Kraky, within a year, I had moved back,

495
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 4: I gave my green card back. I was done. I

496
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 4: was out because what I wanted in life changed. Yeah,

497
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 4: the priority, Well absolutely, because you said, what am I

498
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 4: going to? What am I giving up?

499
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 3: It's the end of pulp fiction. You're not giving something up.

500
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 4: You're getting something anything. You're getting the most unbelievable reason

501
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 4: to get to work, to get out of bed and

502
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 4: get it done, to create, because you're a freelancer and

503
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 4: you've got to keep a roof over the head.

504
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 3: So I got to make this happ Yeah.

505
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 7: I've even noticed it, like the same with Magnus where

506
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 7: he's we've both been very similar, as you said, where

507
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 7: you're just driving and driving and I want to create

508
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 7: what's the next thing, what's the next goalpost. If I

509
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 7: get this, then I'm going to be happy. And if

510
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 7: I get this.

511
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 6: Next thing that I know, it's fucked. It's fucked.

512
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 7: And now we're trying to unlearn all of that stuff

513
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 7: because it's.

514
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: Not it's not real.

515
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 4: And if you read that story that I wrote on

516
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 4: the substack this week, you'll notice that there's a significant

517
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 4: difference with how I feel about Christmas once kids came

518
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 4: into my life. I don't know if you're feeling that

519
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 4: today with kids in your life or without them. I

520
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 4: hope you can enjoy some time off. I hope you

521
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 4: can still kind of work things out. Speaking of work,

522
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 4: and this is actually my job, and part of my

523
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 4: job is to get paid and get paid and got

524
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Speaker 4: to play some mats. So we're back after the break.

525
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to the show. We're playing out some

526
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 4: of the greatest hits, some of the biggest, biggest moments

527
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 4: of the year that we've had here at the podcast.

528
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: Amy Shark came to visit it one day, and I've

529
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 4: been in the music industry since I was seventeen or so,

530
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: so I'm aware of how the economics have shifted, but

531
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 4: I don't know if many people listening have an idea

532
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 4: of what it actually looks like. And she was super honest.

533
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: It's a great conversation and you might just be about

534
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 4: to learn something on this Christmas day. Thanks for coming around, Amy,

535
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 4: how's it going?

536
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 8: Thanks so having me here.

537
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: We met once in Brizo. I was at a radio

538
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: station called B one I five or I used to

539
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: work and you came in and I think I was

540
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 4: at the first record And now who we are I

541
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 4: don't know. Eight arias later, in a gajillion streams later,

542
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 4: it's a great success story for an Australian musician to

543
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 4: pull off. Thank you. I'm very happy that it's happened

544
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 4: to you. Part of me is like, as a kid

545
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: growing up, there was twenty people who had you what

546
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 4: you had, and now there's you, and it's kind of

547
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 4: hard to describe that to people.

548
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 9: It is like, I feel I feel more lucky now

549
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 9: than I did anywhere near the start of it.

550
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: Not to say you don't deserve to be where you are, no, no, no, yes,

551
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 4: A music industry has so much Oh my.

552
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 9: God, I feel I always talk about the last ship

553
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 9: that was set to sail, and I just could see

554
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 9: me running and then I always say like I kind

555
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 9: of grabbed onto the boat and then I kind of

556
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 9: reached out and grabbed tones, and we I feel like

557
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 9: that was I mean, there's there are so many amazing

558
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 9: up and coming artists, but to get on commercial radio

559
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 9: is such a such a challenge, and I've only just

560
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 9: really appreciated how lucky I've been and how how supportive

561
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 9: I've been supported I've been from the industry.

562
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 4: When the Powdering of guys bought houses, like it was

563
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 4: like it was a big fucking deal. You know, that

564
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 4: was their first off, not even second record, they were

565
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: buying buying houses.

566
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jesus man, well.

567
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 9: That I mean, they're the best years that I remember

568
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 9: growing up and watching like award shows or listening to

569
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 9: the radio. Was these massive bands like powder Finger and

570
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 9: Silver Chair and Goon Spoon and you know, just yeah,

571
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 9: and now there are bands, right, there are bands, and

572
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 9: I'm in I've got sort of one hand in the

573
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 9: old world where I love that music as well. So

574
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,239
Speaker 9: there are plenty of amazing bands, but none of them

575
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 9: are getting flogged on radio. I don't even know if

576
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 9: like it's radio is so weird now where you don't

577
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 9: even know if if they could play that or if

578
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 9: they it's got to be like a big movement like

579
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 9: country Like, Okay, we all agree countries havn't a time cool.

580
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 9: So let's all of a sudden commercial radio playing country

581
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 9: and or EDM or it's it's weird.

582
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 8: It's like the world.

583
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 9: It's like the country needs to decide as a as

584
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 9: a whole.

585
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 8: Yep, this is what we want now.

586
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 4: The business model of the broadcasters decides ultimately a lot

587
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 4: of what ye there and it's it's because part of

588
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 4: the you know, getting ready for coming you coming in

589
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 4: today was having a look at what you've done in

590
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: the arias and things like that. And there's a there's

591
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: a number of how many millions or billion streams there

592
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: are there? Yet what do you think the average punter

593
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 4: needs to know about what that means for you? As

594
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 4: far as being able to pay the rent.

595
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 8: People would be really surprised as to what actually pays

596
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 8: the rent.

597
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 9: I think because even touring right like people see touring

598
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 9: and touring for me was an investment for so many years,

599
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 9: especially internationally, Like people see you playing late night shows

600
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 9: and they're like, ah, you must be a multi millionaire

601
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 9: and you're like, it took me like quite a few

602
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 9: years to not be in the red zone while touring

603
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 9: and like even make money, Like now it's a big deal.

604
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 8: It's like, what we're going to make money this tour?

605
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 4: Holy hell, I saw this thing the other day and

606
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: I know you would have seen it too, But I

607
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 4: don't know if people really quite get the gravity of

608
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 4: what it means for us as a country. The idea

609
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 4: that half of all Australian musicians registered with APRI, which

610
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 4: is a songwriting not even the people were just out,

611
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 4: I'm just a road guy playing a van like I

612
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 4: wrote the song. Half of all those musicians earn less

613
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 4: than a quarter of minimum age. And to me, that's like, well,

614
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 4: what's the incentive. What's the incentive to have someone culturally

615
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 4: paint a picture of what it is to be in

616
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 4: our country right now? If that's what it is.

617
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's just it's never been harder right now, you know,

618
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 9: like it was. I think you know for me early on,

619
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 9: when you have hype, when it's early stages and you

620
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 9: sign your first publishing, which is you know people have

621
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 9: belief in you, so and you sign a decent record deal,

622
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 9: which you don't really sign decent record deals anymore.

623
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: Like that's a T shirt with your name on it.

624
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 4: We'll be taking something. Yeah, thanks very much. Oh song

625
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: got used in a bank?

626
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, Like I think it was like the three

627
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 9: sixty deal or something like that.

628
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, which I thankfully wasn't on.

629
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 9: I had a really good team at the start, and

630
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 9: I signed some really good, good deals and that got

631
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 9: me off to you know, sort of I could I

632
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 9: could do this. I could do it and not have

633
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 9: to stress too much. But it's pretty crazy when you

634
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 9: see it. It goes so quick, you know, and like,

635
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 9: especially if you want to do things well. Even with

636
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 9: my shows, I always wanted to put on a show

637
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 9: worth coming to see, you know. I wanted kids' faces

638
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 9: to be like, holy shit, there's Pyro and there's a

639
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 9: big sign, and you know, I wanted to blow people's minds.

640
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 8: But that that stuff costs.

641
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 9: You know, and you can't go back once you've set

642
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 9: it up. It's like, sometimes I think I would actually

643
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 9: make more money if I like just played smaller venues

644
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 9: and you know, but anyway, that's that's what that's what

645
00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 9: I want.

646
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 8: That's what I want for the Amy Shark brand, and I.

647
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 4: Worried for the culture of our country if we're not

648
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: putting the financial incentive there and supporting what it is

649
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 4: to have an Australian voice literally sing the songs of

650
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 4: our people or tell our stories because our competition, your

651
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: competition is multimillion dollar funded, like the top tenth tenth

652
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 4: tenth percent of every talent school on the country in

653
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: the country with a massive record company behind them. Overseas,

654
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 4: you might be the same record label.

655
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's where they're.

656
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 4: Small, with a small South Pacific kind of clay.

657
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 9: That's why when Taylor was here and you know, a

658
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 9: lot of artists were like, oh god, I felt like

659
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 9: shit after that show. It just made me feel so

660
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 9: pulm and so this and so that. I went there

661
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 9: and I don't put myself anywhere near it.

662
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 4: She got more like three hundred.

663
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 8: I don't know, she got that many.

664
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: Australians out to see a gig. Yeah, and that would

665
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 4: have been how many of those people.

666
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 9: Actually, I got emotional just because I don't know what

667
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 9: this if backlash order, but I see her as as

668
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 9: like our version of the Beatles easily.

669
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no backlash there.

670
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 9: The things that she's doing and the moves she's making

671
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 9: and everyone coming together. I looked around that stadium and

672
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 9: I was like, I honestly got emotional because I was like,

673
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 9: I was so happy that someone could do this for

674
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 9: the country and we're all on the same page for

675
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 9: this one girl, Like, God, bless you. You know everybody, Yeah,

676
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 9: everyone's having a good time.

677
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: But then the other thing I love about it is

678
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: that she hasn't been secretive about what it takes to

679
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 4: do that, and that you hear, hang on what she

680
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 4: did the entire show at double speed on a treadmill

681
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 4: every day or months before.

682
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 9: You deserve the work that she puts in and the professionalism.

683
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 8: Oh my god.

684
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 9: I was just like, just one, It's a one person

685
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 9: in a lifetime that can do what she's doing doing it.

686
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 4: And anyone anyone that goes, oh yeah, but her parents like, honestly,

687
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 4: fuck you. You don't accidentally do what she's done.

688
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 8: No really, yeah, yeah.

689
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 4: Once heard that a number one signal is one hundred

690
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 4: thousand correct decisions. What was this a number one single? Yeah,

691
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand correct.

692
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 8: Oh yeah right yeah. No one dropping the ball either, like.

693
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 9: Every way, all cylinders firing doesn't happening much.

694
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: That's out of your hands, you know, Like all those

695
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 4: bands that released an album on September eleven, I.

696
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 8: Know you'll never never know. COVID, Yeah, like we all still.

697
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 9: I just I just so understand when I hear them like, oh,

698
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 9: we had this going and that going, and then COVID

699
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 9: just like, yeah, I feel like we all did this momentum,

700
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 9: momentum and it just like got absolutely destroyed.

701
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 4: So you know, you can build a you don't have

702
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: to say it, but I will. You know, the government

703
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: can build a fucking train line to make sure a

704
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 4: coal mine gets to a port, but you won't support

705
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: the people who they're actual. Without them, no one can

706
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: show on because that's not the only ticket sales aren't

707
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 4: the only reis and festivals aren't getting on because enough

708
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: fucking people to run the show because everyone's like, we

709
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: couldn't do it. We had to go and get geege.

710
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, we actually don't do that anymore.

711
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: We can't do it anymore. And all that intelligence, all

712
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 4: that knowledge lost lost, and it's it's kind of shit.

713
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 8: It really is, Hey, it really is.

714
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 4: We don't value our culture enough space. But you know,

715
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 4: I think as we move forward, people will start to

716
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 4: see the value in supporting artists and musicians that they

717
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 4: resonate with. Then I hope.

718
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 9: So I always think nothing good lasts forever, right, But

719
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 9: but there can be other things that happened that make

720
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 9: it go back to or better hopefully. Like you know,

721
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 9: when record sales stopped, like the whole Napster thing and

722
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 9: like that that all happened, It's like, well, it can't

723
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 9: last forever. When Big Day Out stopped, I was like,

724
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 9: had a good run. Nothing good last forever. It just

725
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 9: everything evolves. So I see us in a really shit

726
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 9: time right now, but it's got to get better.

727
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: Right.

728
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 9: We had it, We had it really cracking for a

729
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 9: while there with these amazing, amazing festivals and amazing bands

730
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 9: and artists and people been able to cut through, and

731
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 9: commercial radio like backing.

732
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 8: It no matter what genre it is.

733
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, And now I just feel like we're just at

734
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 9: the We're just in a bad we're just in.

735
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 4: A shitty part, a bit of a bit of a funk.

736
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 9: That's why I kind of have taken this, not solely

737
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 9: why I ended up in television, but it's really nice

738
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 9: to have a buffer there that's not so reliant on

739
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 9: how shitty all the percentages can end up being through

740
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 9: streaming and through everything. And I know they're obviously trying

741
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 9: to still work that out and monetize it better, but yeah,

742
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 9: it's it's hard out there, and I feel I always

743
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 9: feel bad complaining because I because I feel like I

744
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 9: feel lucky that I'm not, you know, having to pack

745
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 9: it in. I know a few artists that are no

746
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 9: longer and I still can't get.

747
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 8: My head around it. I'm like, yeah, oh my god, Like,

748
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 8: what are you going to do?

749
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 4: See Taylor Swift complaining? Like, so don't like when when

750
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: Taylor's pulling off that stuff and saying, I don't care

751
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 4: pull at all. I'm going to re record it because

752
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 4: I'm worth more than that a ball off, like she's

753
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: I kind of think that she might be the last

754
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 4: person who might be able to influence because she has

755
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 4: such economic pull. She might be the last person who's

756
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 4: actually going to be able to influence those deals or

757
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 4: help another platform get up. Yeah, that will change the

758
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 4: outcome for musicians, because I am just mad for kind

759
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 4: of like mid to the mid seventies to mid eighties

760
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 4: funk soul. Oh yeah, and particularly there's this beautiful sweet

761
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 4: spot right after FM around nineteen eighty one, when like

762
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 4: Earth Wind and Fire ontour in Japan and there's fourteen

763
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: people on stage, all right, and they're all the unbelievable

764
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 4: outfits that have been sewn onto them that day, like

765
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 4: the Joys three drummers as a gong, and you look

766
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 4: at it and think, yeah, oh, that's because every unit

767
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: you sold, every album you sold, Yeah, you were getting

768
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 4: save the album in America was ten bucks. You're getting

769
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 4: a buck, all right, and you sold ten million records

770
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 4: very much. Yeah, you know, and every time you get

771
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 4: played on the radio, the mechanical royalties for that, you're

772
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 4: getting paid, so you can go on to sixty four

773
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 4: people and also make.

774
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 9: It great an eerror where records were being bought for

775
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 9: for decent money as well, like albums were being It

776
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 9: was funny. I was in La and Dell's a good

777
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 9: room was there and she was living there. She had

778
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 9: a place there, and she goes, let's go and have dinner.

779
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 9: And I said, yes, that's great. She goes, I'll pick

780
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 9: you up, and she like, I know, she had a

781
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 9: p she has a Porsche here, and she rocked up

782
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 9: in a Porsche in La and it just hit me.

783
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 9: Then I was like, oh, this is a girl that's

784
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 9: seen record sales, like like actual album physical units sold,

785
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 9: like because them must have been the days.

786
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, she also has like she can sell out an arena.

787
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 9: Oh no, I just mean on top of what we

788
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 9: were saying, but like, yeah, like.

789
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 4: The Gods from Australian Crawl bought houses. Yeah, you know,

790
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 4: and they were a band that never made it out

791
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 4: of Australia, never had a hit overseas.

792
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 9: You know, well, you know I I have like a

793
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 9: decent underground following. I feel overseas that I still I

794
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 9: love to go and entertain, and I guess I could

795
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 9: probably build on it if I really wanted to. But

796
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 9: I didn't. I didn't have a massive global hit. Even

797
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 9: though I've been successful in this country, I still have

798
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 9: to hustle, Like I still I'm not, you know, like

799
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 9: I still have to work and really be quite creative

800
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 9: and in what I'm doing, Like it's just a never

801
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 9: ending thing in the music industry.

802
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 8: He's never done.

803
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 4: I mean, I understand why GE's grown up. Never Ever,

804
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 4: she never had to save up by a record, She's

805
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 4: never had to find someone right away for a mail

806
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 4: order CD is Georgia. She's never she just goes that's interesting.

807
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 4: And then like now she's able to enjoy every album

808
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 4: from this particular Argentinian artist. There's no way you could

809
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 4: it out and without paying anything for it, all right,

810
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 4: So she's it's never been in her brain that I

811
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 4: need to pay for this. It's just always been free.

812
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 4: And the for the motor mechanic down the road is

813
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 4: a price you pay for that. So for people who

814
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 4: have that relationship with their favorite artists, it's always just there.

815
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 4: I love it. What would you say to them about

816
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 4: supporting them? How can they meaningfully support an artist in

817
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 4: a way that you see some bottom line?

818
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 9: Always merger, which always shows I think showing up online

819
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 9: now is a thing, and yeah, it's it's hard because

820
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 9: there's so many great artists. So I get it as well.

821
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 9: I get that there are it's like, oh man, I

822
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 9: want to support these people. God, that's going to cost

823
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 9: me a lot of money.

824
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 8: But yeah, you just you.

825
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 9: You put on these tours and you hope people buy tickets.

826
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 9: You hope they come and are drenched in their merch,

827
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 9: and you hope.

828
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 8: They're proud to wear it to show it off.

829
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 9: For free promotion and you need to but you also

830
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 9: need to be realistic and.

831
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 8: You have to be a lakable person still.

832
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 9: You know, I think it's the hardest time for musicians

833
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 9: because you can't just be.

834
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 8: A Kirk Cobain who's like, I'm not gonna sorry, I'm

835
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 8: not that's not for me. It's man.

836
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 9: I wish I was in his era, because like, no

837
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 9: one really enjoyed. I mean, there's some people that are

838
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 9: born for it and they love having their phone out

839
00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 9: and they love it.

840
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 8: But you can't be that anymore.

841
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 4: Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin never gave any ever. Yeah, ever,

842
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 4: the whole time he was in Zeppelin, he never spoke

843
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 4: to it. Never.

844
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 9: Yeah, it just wasn't and you can do it, yeah,

845
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 9: and it almost like helped because it made you so cool.

846
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 9: You can't be cool. You can't really be cool anymore.

847
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 9: If you try and be cool, you'll disappear almost.

848
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 4: I want to be getting a smoothie with Ariana Grande

849
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 4: at four in the afternoon on a Wednesday. Yeah, I

850
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 4: want to see that.

851
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 8: I want to see what she's doing.

852
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, every and if I'm not, then she's boring and

853
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 9: I might don't follow her boom.

854
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 8: How bad is that?

855
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: It's certainly not about great songs.

856
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 8: It's really unfair.

857
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 9: That's why when when they're like, oh, we just kind

858
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 9: of need a few more tiktoks and reels, I'm like,

859
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 9: and then and then you know, my manager will be like,

860
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 9: oh god, you haven't sent me a demo in a while.

861
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 9: And because I'm really good, like I write all the

862
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 9: time and I'm always sending demos, and then lately, yeah,

863
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 9: he's not getting any. I'm like, do you know why

864
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 9: I'm spending so much fucking time on social media? The

865
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 9: other day, I actually left my phone in the kitchen

866
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 9: and I just like, I just wrote, I just like

867
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 9: didn't look at it for ages. And really, I know

868
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 9: everyone says this and I had time away from your phone,

869
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 9: but when you really do it, and you even for

870
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 9: an hour, there's something that happens to your brain where

871
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 9: you're just like I felt, but I was happier, I

872
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 9: was in a better mood. Everything changed, Like there's.

873
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Speaker 4: Only so much fuel. You've got to have your brain

874
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 4: do that creative thing in the day. Yeah, And I

875
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Speaker 4: don't know about you or your manager, but I'll be like,

876
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 4: that's marketing, that's your budget you pay for someone to

877
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 4: go over the house out. I know, asking her to

878
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 4: do it herself is something the thing that we actually

879
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 4: make money from away, that's not the product.

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Speaker 9: You're the no one want to do it like the

881
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 9: way I want to do it. So it's it's a

882
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 9: cash to do some.

883
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

884
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 9: So I feel for artists who that is not their stick,

885
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 9: not interested. But I've also said to I'm like, there

886
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 9: is a way you can do it. You don't have

887
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 9: to be funny, and you don't have to do little

888
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 9: like skits that are cringe or you know, you don't

889
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 9: even have to do the trend that's on these reels

890
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 9: or TikTok or whatever. You can do it in a

891
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 9: way that's authentic to you.

892
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 8: But it's just extra work.

893
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd like to make a hook that you want

894
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 4: to sing the day you get married, and that's going

895
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 4: to take me time to write the song, and that

896
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 4: gets played when your first child born child is born.

897
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna have to write eighty songs that aren't

898
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 4: that great to get to that one. I don't get

899
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 4: to do that if I'm busy constantly updating this algorithm

900
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 4: that is never satisfied. Yeah, that's a shitty part of Yeah,

901
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 4: we're asking a musicians to do now is to sap

902
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 4: there use their creativity on this thing. I was just

903
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 4: wondered when I was a Channel V how's the guy? Well,

904
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: he's not very good chat of course not. He sat

905
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 4: in his bedroom and played guitar riffs his entire life

906
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 4: and now he's in Australia. Yeah, he doesn't know how

907
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 4: to talk to people because he's never had to. I know.

908
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 9: It's like when I go to photo shoots and I

909
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 9: hate them really bad at them, Like I'm not like

910
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 9: people tell, oh, you did great.

911
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 8: No I didn't.

912
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Speaker 9: But like it's it's like I didn't become a musician

913
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 9: to have my photo taken in to be dressed like

914
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 9: this and to no where to stand and how to

915
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 9: look into you know, it takes me so long to

916
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 9: get one good, good photo. But I yeah, I give

917
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Speaker 9: myself a break because I'm like, that's not my thing.

918
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Speaker 9: I never wanted to be a model or do any

919
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 9: of this shit.

920
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 4: Like, but that's you can't be in the kind of

921
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 4: music that you make, which is slash indie pop depending

922
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 4: on you know where you are. You can't be there

923
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 4: without having that there's a visual aspect to it.

924
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 9: You also need to, like in the right way, be

925
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 9: the nice guy. Like if I said no to Vogue,

926
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 9: well I'm an asshole. It's like, how do you have

927
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 9: dare you say no to that? And then those people

928
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 9: kind of like, ah shit, that's like you know, word spreads,

929
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 9: words spreads so much.

930
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 4: That's what you pay percentage for, Amy. Yeah. You don't

931
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 4: pay people to say yes to you. You pay people

932
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: say no for you.

933
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, it's just there is a balance of that.

934
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 8: There's a balance, and I'm getting.

935
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Speaker 9: I've got to this really nice place now where I

936
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 9: feel really comfortable and confident to be like that's not

937
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 9: going to happen. I don't feel like I have to

938
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 9: do that. But that comes at a cost of well,

939
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 9: they might not add your song, or they might not

940
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 9: do this, And it's to say, it's just it's just

941
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Speaker 9: always picking your battles.

942
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Speaker 4: Never a true word there, Amy Shark. And that pretty

943
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Speaker 4: much brings us to the end of this very musical

944
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: edition of Better Than Yesterday. I wrong, courd that's a

945
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Speaker 4: seven there. So we start with C major and then

946
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: we get it. Yeah, if you have a favorite person

947
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 4: in your life that you think would benefit from listening

948
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 4: to this, please share it with them and do follow

949
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 4: or subscribe, or like or tattoo this episode wherever you do,

950
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 4: because if you do that, you know what you're going

951
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 4: to extra present for free. You get another episode next

952
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 4: time we publish one. If you need to get in

953
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 4: touch with me. The link to the substackers in the

954
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Speaker 4: show notes. That's where you can read a very special

955
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 4: Christmas message from me this time you and also get

956
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Speaker 4: tickets for the live shows, the story Club shows.

957
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Speaker 3: I hope you have a great day, night, afternoon, whatever.

958
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Speaker 4: Cebie.

959
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Speaker 10: Last podcast, I gave you some ads and then I

960
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Speaker 10: played them out. Depending on where you are, you would

961
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Speaker 10: have heard some geolocated commercials. If you're in Perth you

962
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Speaker 10: hear different ads from people in Brisbane.

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Speaker 4: Do do.

964
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Speaker 3: What about Adelaide Singapore?

965
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Speaker 4: The one guy that listens in Zimbabwe, I wonder what

966
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Speaker 4: adds they listen to? Merry Christmas