1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:00,480 Speaker 1: Cooper. 2 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 2: You have literally walked through the door back from Melbourne again. 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Melbournie and yes I have. So you interviewed Katie Perry. 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: Are you down there? Did shot a little video with her? 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Katie one eighty lovely? I tell you what though, it's 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: a smooth operation they've got going for her down there, 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Like it was like rock up writer you have, like 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: she did the interview with Jackie O. Before Jackie O, 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: she was in there with fev Brenda Favola. You only 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: get like everybody's only got a certain amount of allocated times, 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: so it was like in out I had five minutes. 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: It was like right, oh, straight in. As soon as 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: it hits like four minutes thirty, you just see them 14 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: going rap up, wrap up. Yeah. 15 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 2: But she was lovely, she was awesome. She How did 16 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 2: she resist your charms with charismaism? 17 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I actually don't know how she did. 18 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how she was feeling. Internally. I was 19 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: pretty relaxed because. 20 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: Brenda Vohla went on radio right. I was told by 21 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: someone in Melbourne and I asked him about the interview 22 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: and he said the best entertainment was watching Cooper John's 23 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: He was the world's most hungover man sculling red. 24 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a little bit out. I was out 25 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: in the because I got their bad eariler early and 26 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: I was so tired and I was just going, oh no, 27 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: and Fev instantly b lined it for me and was 28 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: like into me, just like jabbing me in the stomach, 29 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: Come on, man, looks go. I was like no, And 30 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,639 Speaker 1: then as he came out, he was like, oh, mate, 31 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: she's she's in a bad mood. He made me so 32 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: he was like, mate, you're gonna have to lift your 33 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: energy up. She's in a pretty bad mood today. But 34 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: I walked in there she was. She was awesome. She 35 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: was very very fine, yeah, very upbeat kind of personality. 36 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: Doesn't take her till she actually told me to piss 37 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: off at one stage because I was like, this is 38 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: off camera. At the end I was she was like, 39 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: oh yeah, said you like the AFL and one of 40 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: the girls at the back of nah, he's not. He's 41 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: an RL, not AFL, and oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm 42 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: an RL. I don't really watch this game, and she 43 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, piss off then. So she was 44 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: very good sport. How was the performance. I didn't get 45 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: to see very good. Very Tina Arena came out with her. 46 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: I love She's a lot Tina Arena. You have always 47 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: loved Tina Arena. You love her. She's a talent. She's 48 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: a talent. She'll go somewhere mate one day. 49 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: Hey, before we move on to talk about the games, 50 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: Kevy Walters was sacked Thursday night. Comes real shocked to everybody. 51 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: We knew he was under pressure, but they've certainly swung 52 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: the axe fairly swift. Was now Billy Walters, of course, 53 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: is not a part of our family. Yeah, he's Have 54 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: you SPoD to Billy? How's Billy going? 55 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: I spoke, I just had a couple of messages with him. 56 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: He's he's obviously he's disappointed. He's always been had Kevy's 57 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: back during the sort of tough times up and down 58 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: when the media started to slam him. So he's a 59 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: bit disappointed with how I think it's been handled and whatnot. 60 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, I think Billy's Billy's a 61 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: he's a team first due he's not going to let him. 62 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: One thing is good things about Bill is he's not 63 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: going to let it affect his relationship with the Broncos. 64 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: He's not going to let it. You know, he's not 65 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: going to be out there trying to get out of 66 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: the club or anything. He's He's Bronco through and through. 67 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: He always wanted to play for the Bronx growing up. 68 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: So he's obviously disappointed for his old man, and you 69 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: know he's got that love for him. But I know 70 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: whoever's going to be the next the next coach, Billy, 71 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: I'll have a good relationship with him. 72 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: It's very funny. I've got a theory on the timing 73 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 2: of the announcement. It was announced on the Thursday night, 74 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: almost as braithan Astro on three sixty he went so Anara, 75 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 2: good night bang. It was almost released after that, couldn't 76 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: and it was released right like basically just before the 77 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: big weekend of Grandfall and qualifies so two things. They 78 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: knew that if it had gone on three sixty at 79 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: quarter past seven and Gord he's there, he just would 80 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: have won it nuclear. So they've released it, in my opinion, 81 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: literally a minute after the three sixty had ended, so 82 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: by the time it comes around Monday again, some heat 83 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: would have come out of it. And the other thing, 84 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: whilst it didn't get lost, it was still a big story. 85 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: It would have been a much bigger story if ha 86 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: had been on a Monday where they still had five 87 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: days to the semifinals. With the finals there, it sort 88 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: of absorbed some of the heat as well. 89 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: Oh definitely, I think that's like from a tactical point 90 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: of view, they've done a good job with that. Like 91 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: all the fans, when a story comes out, the longer 92 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: the longer between that story and the next story, the 93 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: longer gap between that, the more it stays in the limelight, 94 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: the more it stays in social media, the more people 95 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: send it around to each other. I mean, going straight 96 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: away from that, straight into the storm, big win over Roosters, 97 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: Nelson's suspension, like other big storylines that have just now mastered, 98 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: Nathan clear he heard his shoulder, Like people are now 99 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: talking about other things, not about the Kevin Malta sacking. 100 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: So they've done a good job. 101 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: Tough call, some would say a rough call on Kevy, 102 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: But I will say this, Cooper, is that one thing 103 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: the Broncos bould have done. They have been decisive, right. 104 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: They haven't tortured Kevy along like most other clubs would 105 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: do that bullshit thing, which is where they go. Oh, listen, 106 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: you know we're backing him and we're going to give 107 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: him the first seven rounds of next year. 108 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it never works, No, it never works. 109 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: And what happens is after seven rounds the coach goes 110 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: and another coach takes over. But it hasn't been his 111 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: pre season. It hasn't been his idea of what the 112 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: football side, how it plays, what it looks like, et cetera. 113 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: So regardless if you like, if you like the season 114 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: or not. Is the one thing I will heard the 115 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: Broncos board. They have been decisive and they haven't dragged 116 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: this on, They've just pulled the band aid off. 117 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: Can I asked you that the thing that always comes 118 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: out of the Broncos is, particularly when we had Madge 119 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: on the podcast a couple of weeks ago and we 120 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: spoke about, you know, a team that he you know, 121 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: he sort of spoke about wanted to get back into coaching, 122 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: and he's been tossed up and there's been articles tossing 123 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: up Madge now saying that they've been talking to him. 124 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: And the big response is that no one from New 125 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: South Wales can coach the Broncos. Where where does that 126 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: ship come from? Because I don't understand because there was 127 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 1: There was a time then when I was at Storm 128 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: they were they were talking about throwing a lot of 129 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: big money at Craig Bellamy to coach them, who's has 130 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: been an assistant there, but he's not. 131 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: Out the story with Craig that they've caught it. Craig 132 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: for a long time. They've always seen him, look viewed 133 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: him as name Wayne's natural successor. Two thousand and eight, 134 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: ballly Aich had basically almost agreed, sat in front of 135 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 2: the Broncos board and one of the last things that 136 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: was said is the reason why he stayed at Melbourne. 137 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: One of the Broncos officials said to Craig, just letting 138 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: you know that you won't have the same power that 139 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 2: the old bloke who's leavings had. Oh well, and ballly 140 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: Ache went and he told me time he goes. At 141 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: that point he said, I knew it was never going 142 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: to be my club, whereas Melbourne it's his club. 143 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: It is his club. Yeah, he doesn't get interrupted by 144 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: other people trying to stop his decisions. 145 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: Give me three names for you think for the Bronx. 146 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: Oh just on back that yeah, we said about that 147 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: on like see Broncos were the first team outside of 148 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: New South Wales, first queens Land side into the competition 149 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,559 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty eight, and there's always been that argie 150 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,119 Speaker 2: bargie between Broncos and the power brokers and people down south. 151 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: They were an extension of the New South at the 152 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: Queensland state of origin side. So I think at the 153 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: moment that's what it's about, a little bit like we're 154 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: going to get a New South Walter. But it twenty 155 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: twenty four. You will point the best person if you 156 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: aren't going to appoint Mage, who do your point? 157 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: I think the other boat that is Josh Hannay, who's 158 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: been circulating a head coaching job for a while just coops. 159 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: The Broncos are just about arguably they're the biggest brand 160 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: in the NRL. It's a it's a huge it's a 161 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: mega club. If you take that job, there's going to 162 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: be a lot of pressure. I just don't think it's 163 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 2: the job for someone who hasn't coached that level before. 164 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: Yeah no, I agree with that as well, But I 165 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: think that in terms of who they'd be interviewing for 166 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: up there, I would assume he'd be probably the only 167 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: other blokes that they're they're saying too, they're saying Jason 168 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: Demitri as well. But yeah, right, that's a lot of 169 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: that's I's got a pressure for a bloke that's just 170 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: come out of me and be club like South. He's 171 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: been sacked at South's. 172 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: You know, Lebroncos don't appear to me to be. 173 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: A club that wou would go that way. 174 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: You know, I understand there was a mad situation with 175 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: West Tigers, but there was some Madge has Whilst I 176 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: don't think of Demishy's reputation that much, he certainly rebuilt 177 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: it above and beyond. For me, if I was to 178 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: throw names up, this is my first, second, and third. 179 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: Michael McGuire ye first, Michael mcguy, second, Michael Guy third, 180 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: He's the man. 181 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: He's the man. 182 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: Madge is a better coach now than when he took 183 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: Souse to the title in twenty fourteen. 184 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: He is a better coach. 185 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: He had the West Tires experience, which he spoke about 186 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: here with us. He said he'd learnt so much from 187 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: that experience. He then went after he left there, he 188 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: went to New Zealand. New Zealand thirty Australian iil was 189 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: a revelation there then took ove a state of Origin, 190 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: you know, a tough period. They just let freddie go. 191 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: There's plenty of stuff going on. One kneel down, the 192 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: series held the sh together, held his nerve win the 193 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: series two to one. I just think he's the obvious man. 194 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will I will say that. I think 195 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: the experience in the key doing things like Kiwis in 196 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: State of Origin will be big for him because Madge 197 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: has always been well from a player's point of view, 198 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: he has always been the kind of coach who has 199 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: been quite analytical and very meticulous with how he's prepared. 200 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: But I think those camps it's probably unnatural for how 201 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: he coaches, and he's had to learn to adapt to 202 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: be you know, another side of coach, like someone like 203 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: Awayne Bennett who's just tries to bring a squad together 204 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: and make sure come game day they're already at one 205 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: hundred percent. I think that's going to help. He's actually 206 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: day to day coaching. 207 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: That is spot on coops because a lot of great 208 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 2: club coaches who have been very analytical, the Ex's ands 209 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: have struggled it at rep level because and particularly in 210 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 2: national level because oftentimes there were very good coaches who 211 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: would take teams away overseas Australian sides, but would still 212 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: coach them like a club team. And which in the 213 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: best players in the world. You know that their leaders 214 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: to mostly in their clubs. You've got to give them 215 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: rope and Madge has been able to do that find 216 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: that balance. 217 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: I heard Madge. 218 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: I went to a lunch in a couple of weeks 219 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: ago with me and Madge spoke. He got up and 220 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: did the whole presentation, told people that how he pulled 221 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: the new South Wales side together and everything. 222 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: He was outstanding. Really, it was brilliant. Right the games 223 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: first game, let's go through it. Let's go Melbourne Roosters. 224 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: You've been in Melbourne, You've stayed, you have become the 225 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: lucky charm staying at Harry Grant Wish's place. 226 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: What he called himself the rabbit's foot. The rabbit's foot, 227 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah right now, I have. I actually have been calling 228 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: myself throughout. I was doing that after the game because 229 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: there was a little bit Those people who play footy 230 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: will understand, or if you've got siblings or someone who's 231 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: played in big games, even if it's local A gra 232 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: Grand finals. On game day, everyone's quite nervous and testing 233 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: leading into big games. So they've got me there sort 234 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: of hanging around the house as they're trying to prepare 235 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: for a big game, and I remember thinking, if they 236 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: get beat tonight, I know what Harry's like, he'll blame 237 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: me for He'll will not blame me, but he'll think 238 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: we're not letting coopstay with this again. 239 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: Having that bloke walking around the house stinking and booze 240 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: in the morning, yeah, they could have been a yeah. 241 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: So I left. I left the game day. I left early. 242 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: I went down to the pub, caught up with a 243 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: mate for a feed, and I was that tired because 244 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: I had radio in the morning. So all I wanted 245 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: to do was I was like, I want to go 246 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: back for a nap, but I just know I shouldn't 247 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: I go back. So I was just out. I just 248 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: baseically went from pub to pub and to. 249 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: Let people know that that that like the day of 250 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 2: a game, particularly big game, you feel irritated, you feel 251 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: on edge, like you're really on the bit, and so 252 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: for someone to sort of casually walk in, hey boys, 253 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: what's going I used to hate it when blokes would 254 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: walk in to our dressing room sometimes like just eating 255 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: a pie. 256 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: Boys, what's going on? We get that bloke out of it? Yeah, 257 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: like it was you just get I was very conscious 258 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: of that, so I was trying to not step on 259 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: anyone's toes. But yeah, after the game, pressure relieved on me. 260 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: I was pretty I'd been out about eleven am thinking schooners, 261 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: so you can imagine what it was like at nine pm. 262 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: So I was walking through the chessing room just yelling 263 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: out on the rabbit's foot. On the rabbit's foot. Everyone's 264 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: family's like, what is he talking about? This guy? They 265 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: knew who I was. 266 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Nelson, he got four weeks. He's going to fight it. 267 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: I imagine he's going to fight it, but possibly missing 268 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: the Grand find, likely to miss the Grand Final. 269 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: What was the reaction amongst the boys? Yeah, I was 270 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: actually I was actually up next to a couple of 271 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: the owners watching the game when it happened. It was 272 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: it was quite surreal because nobody actually knew what had happened, Like, 273 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, they saw him shit sent off. But when 274 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: you look at the footage, it's not that incriminating in 275 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: terms of on Nelson, Like. 276 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: It was Lindsay's was when he was in a bad way. 277 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: Seeing Lindsay in his bad headnock and his way, you go, oh, geez, 278 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: you must have hit him in the head. But I 279 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: look at that incident and I know that, like we're 280 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: trying to protect people's head CTA and things like that, 281 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: But there's no intent from nas like and there's been 282 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: some times where there has been intent from Nass and 283 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: there's like where he should have deserved four weeks BALI 284 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: that was one of them. Ah, But this time, I 285 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: just I could not justify. And there's no way. It 286 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: doesn't matter who what player it is, the prior history 287 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: of him in the NL, even if it was Jared 288 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: Rea Hargraves, who is someone who gets hammeld a lot 289 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: in the judiciary room, I would not want to see 290 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: someone miss a Grand Final over that. That's the comment. 291 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: That's pretty much the comic consensus, and that's Jared, I 292 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: think after the game said that I thought he did 293 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: one or two weeks. I thought he was going to 294 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: have to fight a one or two week suspension. Yeah, 295 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: but four weeks they hit him with the big stick. 296 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: If that's a grade three what like? You know what? 297 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: I mean, what does some of the bad ones we've 298 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: seen where people just launch their shoulders of people's heads, Like, 299 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: what's that? Yeah, you know what I mean? Like grades 300 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: three is the highest, Grade four? I think grade three 301 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: is the highest though. 302 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: Right, should we bring in a grade four and grade five? 303 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: N sl it down? Great idea. 304 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: Overall, let's talk about the Storm performance. I thought that 305 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 2: I thought they were awesome coop. The thing that stuck 306 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: out for me is their mental toughness and twenty four 307 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: to six at half time Coops and then Roosters come 308 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: out after halftime and apart from the first eighteen minutes 309 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: of the game, enjoyed their best period. They actually got 310 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: back to I think it was twenty four eighteen. Now, 311 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: nearly every other side coop probably outside of Penrith, at 312 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: that point that tighten up. They start to play nervous, 313 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: they start to protect the lead. You see them start 314 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: to slide a little bit. Melbourne met that challenge with 315 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: aggression and physicality and just rolled through it and just 316 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: rolled through the Roosters forty eight to eighteen. 317 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about their manner resilience, like we just 318 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: spoke about the Nelson incident. When you play the first 319 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: ten minutes, which is probably the hardest. It's the hardest 320 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: part of a finals game, that first fifteen minutes, because 321 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: everybody's fresh, everybody's energy is going into that. They're trying 322 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: to wear each other down to only come out of 323 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: that six nil. And they didn't seem like when Nelson 324 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: came back on after they did a lot of defending. 325 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: They were under the back foot a lot actually in 326 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: that and they only gave up the one try and 327 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: the penalty conversion. But to come out of that six 328 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: miel down and then as soon as Nelson come back on, 329 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: they went boom, scored a try straight away. It was 330 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: a good sign of their resilience. Actually, I remember Craig 331 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: Bellamy he used to say his favorite, his favorite thing 332 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: to watch as a coach in the box when he 333 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: knows his team's on is when they make an error 334 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: or something happens to him badly early in the first 335 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: ten minutes and they come out of it the other 336 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: side not too damage, like whether it be drop it off, 337 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: the kickoff and you defend your line a couple times, 338 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: even though it takes a lot of gas out from 339 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: a mental point of view, he says, he just really 340 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: enjoys seeing his team doing that. 341 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: The loaders in that side and the key men, they've 342 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: played so many big games is they've been through it 343 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: all before experience. It's just a huge thing coup. That's 344 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: the thing about Melbourne coops and this one Nelson is 345 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: going to be a massive loss in the Grand Final 346 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: against Leader and Fisher Harris. Is that he came back 347 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: on the field, you said, like the media Ridge, he 348 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: makes the moment, the moment that the Melbourne Storm coups 349 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: start to assert dominance in yardes and dominance in the 350 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: play the ball mate. They just pile points on with 351 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: their creative team perhaps Harry Jerome and Munster. I don't 352 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: think I've ever seen a better run threat in the 353 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: spine in the creative players. I've seen some good ones, 354 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: say like the Broncos nineties Raiders in the nineties five Tigers, 355 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: maybe this Penrith team, but these blokes are a whole 356 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: other level. I've never seen a team just tear holes 357 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: through the middle of the field like this spine. 358 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: They can beat you. They can beat you in a 359 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: game in twenty minutes, like there has been games where 360 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: twenty minutes goes by, and those four have just completely 361 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: dominated teams. Like a couple of the tries they set up, 362 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: there was one both in the second half late they 363 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: were all. The best thing about him is they just 364 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: know each other's games so well and they react. They 365 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: try it during the week, but they react so well 366 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: in certain situations. A couple of times Harry Grant, there's 367 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: one marker, Harry gets out Munster, they had a play set. 368 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: Munster just goes bugger the play I'm just going to 369 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: punch a hole because I know Harry's going to attract defenders. 370 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: Monster just punches outside. See Harry hits him. He goes 371 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: straight over and scores. And then I don't know whether 372 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: it was before or after, same thing. Tedesco is it 373 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: one mark is it? First marker? Harry gets out, looks 374 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: to the left, peraps, sees Tedesco chases him, reacts, knows 375 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: that he's going to chase their running dummy, half drops 376 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: underneath him, perhaps goes under and scores. Like it's such 377 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: a skill. It's one thing to be freakishly fast or 378 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: have a really good side step, but to have the 379 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: education of knowing you know, Harry Grant's biggest threat is 380 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: his running game and what that does to the defense. 381 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: So what I can do to react to benefit from that, 382 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: Like it's so big. 383 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: You spot on coop those players. It's the perfect mix 384 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: of athleticism and knowledge science. Yeah, science of the game, 385 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: understanding of the science of the game with their with 386 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 2: their with their athleticism, their speed, their toughness, all those things. 387 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: We'll talk about the players individually, right Jerome hughs of 388 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: two weeks two week preparation and being fresh, unstoppable, three tries, 389 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: set set one up, he I've said, And yeah, the 390 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: other thing that gets underestimated we don't talk about Jerome. 391 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: He's toughness, like made. He cannot be discouraged. He is tough, 392 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: he'll he'll wear a shot to have a go. I 393 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 2: said two weeks ago, and some people thought I said 394 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: he is the greatest running halfback of all time. Blowdown 395 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: the street goes, oh, please, that's a bit rich. I said, right, smartest, 396 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: you'd give me one who's better. He went, probably right, Yeah, 397 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 2: Like it confirmed the other night. I've seen some great 398 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: running halfbacks, but this bloke is the best off. 399 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: Soon He's a freak. He's so good and how he's 400 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: built his game with his ball playing as well, just 401 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 1: to compliment his right foot and how good he is, 402 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: Like even that beautiful little try they set up where 403 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: he just went played out the back earlier. Perhaps perhaps 404 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: uses his speed makes overchase me and he drops under 405 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 1: and then hugheses there to support on the inside. Like 406 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: there's just so many facets to their game. Munster. 407 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: He's a tough year with injury, but it's preserved him. 408 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, he's back that lack of football. 409 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 2: It's as fresh as I've seen in this time of 410 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 2: the year. 411 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 1: He was. 412 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 2: His last two performances have been outstanding. 413 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, mon dog, Like you just know he's he's 414 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: coming to this finals and he's just so fresh like 415 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: he's he's been I think, you know, like you said, 416 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: with injuries, but that are saving himself from that origin campaign. 417 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: You can see like you can just see the energy 418 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: and you can feel it in the group, like there's 419 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: just no there's just not as much fatigue this time 420 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: of the year. Like you look at that Pandicide and 421 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: they're play an outstanding footy, but you sense a lot 422 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: of fatigue in that side like they've been. They look 423 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: very kind of, you know, not depleted, but they just look, 424 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: it's been a big year for him, whereas like I 425 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: can't remember the last time I've watched you know, man's 426 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: using and perhaps kind of rising going into finals as 427 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: opposed to just trying to maintain consistent. 428 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 2: Might give Munths a little bit of food for thought 429 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: going forward in his career, you know, extend that the career, 430 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 2: you know, knock ref football on the head. I mean 431 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: he's done everything. I reckon coops. There's not many other 432 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: I'm thinking during my time in rugby league, I haven't 433 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 2: seen too many better big game players than Munster, Like 434 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: Origin Test level, Grand finals finals, He's just always on. Yeah, 435 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 2: he's like he's first ever Origin game. He got out 436 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: there and got men of the match. They reckon it 437 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: was the worst training session anyone's ever saw. Everyone's given 438 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 2: a sideways glances like it's his blake and be okay, 439 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: gets out there, puts him amount of it I mean 440 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: got me in the match. 441 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: Were hungover, Yes he was. He was blind like three 442 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: days earlier. Yeah, I mean months. I've still got like 443 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: screen recordings on my phone, like from training sessions that 444 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: we've done well from you have, like all your training 445 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: sessions are recorded when you're at a when you're in 446 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: an NFL club and you have them on your phone 447 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: app and you can rewatch all the training sessions, every moment, 448 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: every play. And I've still got just recordings on my 449 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: phone where I've screen recorded it because Munster's done something 450 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: and I've just wanted to record it to ask him, 451 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: like what were you thinking that? Like? What have you done? 452 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: Like? 453 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: Because good players in big games can kind of manipulate 454 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: a defense, set them up, and then they get them 455 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: with a beautiful play at the end. But Munster and 456 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: big games managers to just do something, pull it out 457 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: of nowhere, like and you go, did what did you 458 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: see there? What did you why'd you do that? And 459 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: he goes, I have no idea, Like I just did it. 460 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: That's Isn't that amazing? 461 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing that even though he's learned more and 462 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 2: more about the science of the game, he's never let 463 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: that Maverick stole go that's his game? Ye, papenhow's best 464 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: game of suiting him? Playing two seasons coops? 465 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? 466 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: And you see what speed does coop? How it troubles 467 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: and disorganizes a defense. Because one of the golden rules 468 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 2: of defenses. You don't slide till the ball goes past you, 469 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: but because of perhaps extreme speed, they'll panic and protecting 470 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: the three on two and leaving the inside men exposed. 471 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 2: Jeezuz he was terrific. 472 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: Oh, he's just such a good weapon to have at 473 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: the back of shape. Like it just you know, you're 474 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: look at a play like Dylan Edwards, who is a 475 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: workhorse who does all this and that. But like, one 476 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: thing you cannot coach against is having a bloke who 477 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: is just so electric with his speed. And if you're 478 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: a center who's just made ten tackles, you're thirty minutes 479 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: into a game and you've got Ryan Pappenhausen sprinting at you, 480 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: and your half's telling you to like, go, go go, 481 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: I've got him, and you just don't. It puts so 482 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: much doubt in between defenders of not wanting to turn 483 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: out because he'll put you on show. 484 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: There's not much we have to say about Harry Grant 485 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: be spoken about any lot. It's just been one of 486 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: Craig Bellamy's best ever decisions, making his making him captain. 487 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 2: You can see him much is enjoying it. It's put 488 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: out the best in him. Just a quick one too, 489 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 2: Jack howarthngratulations to him. My god, hasn't he come on 490 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: in the last month? 491 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, how he bounced around positions. When I was 492 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: down there, they didn't know whether he was a back rower. 493 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: They played him at Locke a bit. 494 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 2: What happened too, because I remember him getting signed there, 495 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: this big, strapping kid, and then disappeared. Yeah. 496 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: They he's the kind of player where it's taken, it's 497 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: taken away of them to trust him. In fact, like 498 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: you almost had to just throw him in there and 499 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: just let him, let him go, let him get confidence 500 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: in it, because you know, he's the kind of player 501 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: that are training, might do some silly things and then 502 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: you go, oh, he's not ready. He's not ready because 503 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: he's young. But you see this year they put him 504 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: out there in the centers and he is just, oh 505 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: my god, he's an absolute animal. He's that strong Johnny Utah, 506 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: he is, mate, he is. He's like, yeah, he is, 507 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: he's John Wick in encounters but like fifteen kilos heavier. 508 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: He's got one of the greatest bodies I've ever seen. 509 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: Finally, this talk about the roosters quickly, Congratulations to Jared J. 510 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 2: W h and Luke Keery. Luke's got a special sort 511 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: of place with us here. You know, we had a 512 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: lot to do with him. You know what a career 513 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: he's had for not a big bloke and Jared to 514 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: be the most cap rooster and play the way he 515 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: does in the front row. Amazing achievement. Rooster's bottom line 516 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: their season, we spoke. I spoke a bit about this 517 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: on the Sunday and Night show. Top four finish on 518 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 2: the surface looks good, but when you look at that 519 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 2: roster and the very fact they can't beat the best 520 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: two teams says to me that it's disappointing season. And 521 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: for the most part, I've never been convinced about their football, 522 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 2: and they oftentimes I said this on the show as well. 523 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 2: They oftentimes here Trent talk about Roosters football or Rooster's way. 524 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 2: Everyone these days seems to have away and he goes away. 525 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: It ain't working. 526 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: Beats middle of the road teams can beat some fellow 527 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: final sides, but you want a style of football that 528 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 2: you can win a comp with, and at the moment 529 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 2: that style of football, he's not going to win a 530 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 2: competition because you can't beat the best too. 531 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: I've yeah, look like. The knock on the Roosters is 532 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: always apart from when Cooper Kronk was there because he 533 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: brought a little bit of that Melbourne style to facilitate 534 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: a lot of their individuals. But the knock has always 535 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: been like when we've played against them, whether it was 536 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: at Manly or at Storm and you're doing video on 537 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: the Roosters, it's all about containing just individuals. And if 538 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: you do a really good job on containing individuals, it's 539 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: interesting the sides like there's not enough to beat the 540 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: good sides. So you're saying, you're saying basically the structure 541 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: of the unit of the team and how they go 542 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: about you don't consider a threat. I don't know, it 543 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: never has been when we've done video like and when 544 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: you really break it down and watch you go, you know, 545 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: Gez look at look at the desk up and the 546 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: advantage line does this, does this, beats him, puts him 547 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: through a hole and then marnin Wu follows up. It's 548 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: very much their game plan is get Roux speed, get 549 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: ruck speed, and then our individuals will take over. 550 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: Here right Well, that makes sense because watching them when 551 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 2: they play super and space football. I think they played 552 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 2: two sideways and it just doesn't work. Yeah, and the best 553 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 2: stuff is just an individual going bush give us the moth. 554 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's where they need to fix, Like 555 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: they need to go a little bit against that, rewire 556 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: some of their attacking structure. But then you know, still 557 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: will still allow their individuals to do their thing within 558 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: that structure. But you look at Melbourne, you don't see 559 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: Melbourne's best stuff coming just from you know, perhaps getting 560 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: up at the advantage line doing this and that and 561 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: months to get sometimes Monster does it, but it's all 562 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: within a structure, like, it's all within a system of principle. Yeah, yeah, 563 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: So I think that's where they need to improve a little. 564 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: Talking about attack sequences, Penrith versus the Sharks off the top, 565 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: first thing you want to talk about this game, Penris 566 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 2: first try. It is one of the best pre worked 567 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 2: sequences that I have ever seen. So we talk about it. 568 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: It's too all And at that point, mate, Carnulla are 569 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: enjoying a really strong period in the game. Penrith film 570 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: position White have been able to a fair bit of 571 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: pressure third tackle Nathan forty twenty. Now when they take 572 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 2: the ball after that coup, you go back and watch 573 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: it right. It is a phenomenal pre worked sequence. 574 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: Push the ball. 575 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: They do nice little tight plays where. 576 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: It goes to isahe pass the post and then Nathan. 577 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: You watch as Isaiah and I think as Isaiah takes 578 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: the ball past the far post off a pass off Nathan. 579 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: Watch Nathan. 580 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 2: Nathan spins off his hurl and runs back into the 581 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 2: center field in line with the black dot right in 582 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: the middle of the field between the posts, and he 583 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 2: presents himself there early. 584 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: Straight away. You go, okay, it's on. 585 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 2: They're going to going to call the ball, and you 586 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: can see the Sharks players recognize that because he's presenting 587 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 2: himself early, and they go whish and they get on 588 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: the front foot. The only problem for them is that 589 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: Mitch Kenney, it was a pre workman, goes the other 590 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: way and tips Moses Leoda under an inside ball. Suddenly 591 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 2: Sharks find himself ten meters up. Quickly, They've got to 592 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 2: get back. Nathan then calls the ball. They're on their hurls, 593 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: throws that pass for Paul the body and it was 594 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 2: just it. 595 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: Was beautiful to watch. It was perfect. 596 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: Signs and that two minutes for me encapsulates Nathan clear 597 00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 2: his football. 598 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like the shape that they ran like 599 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: they had the center and the back roy are running 600 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: inside and outside of Nico Hines. And it's a good 601 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: play because it makes I've been in that position before 602 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: where the system is you want to defend your inside shoulder, 603 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: so you're scared of the inside man, but you feel 604 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: isolated on the outside as well as the center feels isolated. 605 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: Because the half feels isolated, it isolates more than just 606 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: a lot of players. In the NRL, they only isolate 607 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: one person, whereas the play and they do it a 608 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: lot of Jerome set up a try in the second 609 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: half where they run the same play except he kicked 610 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: it and Leam Martin scored the last try. But it's 611 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: a beautiful play because it isolates more than just one 612 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: bloke and it makes them make decisions. 613 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: And I think they went for Talakoi there Tellikoi. Tellakoy 614 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: is a powerhouse sometimes so he can be caught short 615 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: with his energy. Yeah, and if you look, they really 616 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: tested Telechoi's ability to shut the space with his energy 617 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 2: and he couldn't do it, couldn't get there. 618 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: So everything about that. 619 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: Try was was just since perfect. Shark's performance excuse me 620 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: if I'm a Shark's paid. I'm really proud of the 621 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: way they played. Yeah, they took on the premiers coming 622 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: off a two week prep, you know, and the final 623 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: score twenty six points to six is no way indicative 624 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: of what a tough, hard battle. That was ten to 625 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 2: six with twenty minutes to go, Coops, it was ten 626 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 2: to six. They were right in the fight. Eventually, the 627 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: pressure Penrith built and the brilliance of Nathan end up 628 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 2: scoring points late. But I tipped my hat to the Sharks. 629 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: I thought it was a really strong performance. 630 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: I love the first twenty minutes was just so physical, 631 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: and the best thing about it was they stayed around 632 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: the ruck like. They really punished the Penrith ruck. They 633 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: didn't try to push it sideways. They weren't trying to 634 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: find Leuai or Cleary early. They were just pushing around 635 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: the ruck, getting up playing the ball as quick as 636 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: they could. And because Penrith gets so many players in tackles, 637 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: sometimes they can find you know, you can find the 638 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: A and B either side getting back a little bit late, 639 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 1: so you can find them again and you can make 640 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: their ruck make a couple of big tackles. So I 641 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: think they did a really good job at just sort 642 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: of punishing that middle and then I mean, yeah, I 643 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: think the only knock on the Sharks was they didn't 644 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: do it for long enough. I think after twenty thirty minutes, 645 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: once fatigue said in, they thought right and now it's 646 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: time for us to shift. And I think off the 647 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: back of those shifts slippery conditions, they made a couple 648 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: of bad errors. I think they should have just they 649 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: should have stuck to them. They should have stayed around 650 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: the middle a bit, a little bit longer. I agree 651 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: with that coup. 652 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: Penrith can do that though. They can force you to 653 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: play sideways football because he's just so hard to score against. 654 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: You know, teams get frustrated and start to extend on 655 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: their football and push it towards the sideline a little bit. 656 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: Penrith just the way and you finish. 657 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: You get an understanding why they finish so fast, and 658 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: why they finish over the top of the teams, how they. 659 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: Grind them down. 660 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 2: Talk about the inside balls just in a second. But 661 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 2: I looked at a number of sets right and it 662 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: was almost carbon copy. Kick down field the Sharks kick 663 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: return Dylan Edwards. Play one, play two, play three to 664 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: ruvera play four. The first time we see you forward, Isaiahoh, 665 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 2: play five, Dylan Edwards again, get out of there. So 666 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: the big blokes have been preserved that energy. They can 667 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 2: take their time getting back knowing that the outside men 668 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 2: they back back four or five are going to make 669 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: the moders and bring the ball back to them. That's 670 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: a that's a massive thing. 671 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: Oh mate, for your energy. As a front row you 672 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: can tell why they're so effective in defense and why 673 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: they're so fresh in defense because you see sometimes you 674 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: see them on a kickchase and you go, jeez, they're 675 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: just not getting tired. But the front rowers and the 676 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: back rowers haven't had to do a heap of work 677 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: because they're back five helps them out so much, especially 678 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: early in the game, that then they can just put 679 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: all their energy into those first few players in defense, 680 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: like you see them just get numbers in and they 681 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: just drive the wingers and the fullbacks back on those 682 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: early players like such a big it's such a big 683 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: impact for your field position. 684 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: I want to talk about little suddenly hre Cooper and 685 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 2: if there's young young playmakers who listen to this or 686 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: up and coming young coaches. Just think about this for 687 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: a little bit, right, what you see a lot with 688 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: Penrith with the inside balls? 689 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: Right? 690 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: And A Blake said to me when we're chatting one 691 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: day in a Fox one of the one of the 692 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: commentators said, why do they just why don't they just 693 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: let them go forward nice and straight white? You know, 694 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: Nathan's handled the ball back to back to back plays 695 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 2: inside balls. And I said why, I'll tell you why. 696 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: When Nathan catches the ball, particularly with a two steps 697 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: further on with be defender the moment he calls the 698 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: football and the ball hits his hands, what's the defense 699 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: to They sit and they talk, and the defense line 700 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: flexes out slightly to protect the outside threat, so the 701 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 2: forwards don't move up at pace. They play a more 702 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: steady defense line. He goes up, drifts across, picks the 703 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: inside man up. Not only does he make more meterage 704 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: that it's just such a they don't get hit in a. 705 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: Hard aggressive tackle. 706 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: It's a real soft landing for a front row for 707 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 2: a mill forward to come around on an inside ball. 708 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: And it's just it's it's it's again again. It's it's 709 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: only a little thing. But it's clever football. 710 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: It's the name of the game. The name of the 711 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: game for particularly in the middle and for back rollers 712 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: is to try to get a one on one. Yeah, 713 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: And it's so hard to get a one on one 714 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: if you just catch it and just try to run 715 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: forward because marker comes in, gets your legs, A and 716 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: B will close and then you get three into a tackle. 717 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: But if you get a Nathan Cleary to get it 718 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: out the back, make a back rower chase him and 719 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: he drops off a back roller or a front rower, 720 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: it's easier to find just a one on one somebody 721 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: sliding like you can skip across and try to just 722 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: isolate one blow. 723 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: It's interesting when we had Nathan who at the start 724 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: of the year Yeah happing to chat to him and 725 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: we said, what's one of the most important things when 726 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: you start the game? Nathan, I said, I know when 727 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 2: you're on because you run the ball. And he said, yep, 728 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: I always want to run the ball earlier. I want 729 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 2: to get an aggressive frame of mind. The only and 730 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 2: the other thing that does coop. If you present your 731 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: surf early in the contest as a serious run threat 732 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 2: and you got to take him on, then when you 733 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 2: start to play that inside ball football and you start 734 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: to go to the line and hitting your forward short 735 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 2: to get on one on one tackles. It works so 736 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: much better because you have presented yourself as a run 737 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,439 Speaker 2: threat that day. 738 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well people actually, people won't slide off you 739 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: like the back If you're playing straight on a back row, 740 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: they will hold and they might even actually hit you 741 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: as you pass it and leave their half isolated, as 742 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: opposed to halves that are just sort of dish it 743 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: early like myself. They used to just slide toight off 744 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: me and they get two or three into that tackle. 745 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: There's a moment in the game coup one thing you've hurt. 746 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: Penrith they design their game plan around the team, not 747 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 2: just the team strength, the individual strengths. You very rarely 748 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 2: see Penrith Penrith players playing outside their lane. But there 749 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 2: was an interesting minute. There was an interesting play. Mitch 750 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 2: Kenny trying to think at the time it was Jody anyway, 751 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 2: I think it was right at the back end of 752 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 2: the first half, Coup and they're on the attack and 753 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Mitch have been Nathan caulliball one. 754 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 2: Mitch scoops the ball up and decides to go to 755 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 2: the right and ball playing and to finesse the ball, 756 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 2: all hits the round, all things go wrong, and you 757 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 2: can see him chastise himself because as if to say, 758 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 2: that's not my job, that's not my game. And you 759 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: don't see the pendwiff players do that much. I reckon 760 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 2: it's one he'll look back at and just mate, Mitch, 761 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 2: get back. 762 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: To what you do. Well, yeah, yeah, they do. You 763 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: can tell in that system, they all know that there's 764 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: not a lot of going outside of the system with 765 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: those bugs, particularly a boat like Mitch, who you know, 766 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: he knows his strengths inside it out. I think I 767 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: know the one is that when he got out and 768 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,479 Speaker 1: tried to throw out Liam Martin and Lee Martin dropped it. Yes, yeah, 769 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: and Leam Martin had a big crack at him. Right. 770 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: I just finally say this is I just can't wait. 771 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 2: We're going to preview the Grand Final soon. But but 772 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 2: coops like Nathan haven't again have a Nathan at the 773 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,959 Speaker 2: start of the year him going in depth about how 774 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 2: that that young Penrith side and that young Penrith squad 775 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: learned how to win ground finals, learned how to be 776 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: tough by getting beat by Melbourne. They said we played 777 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 2: like boys, they played like man. They bullied us. We said, 778 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 2: we'll never be bullied by any side again. Well here 779 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 2: we go, come full circle. 780 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a cool it's a cool moment 781 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: that we're going to see on this weekend because to 782 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: be live it is, what a great day to be 783 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: life for Rabbi leaue' sporters because you know, Cameron Smith 784 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: was the skipper of that side, a lot of leaders 785 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,280 Speaker 1: out of that Melbourne side, a lot of the young guys, 786 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: perhaps Ryan papenhowsn't actually got Clive Churchill in that game. 787 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: Now they're the leaders. You know, Harry came back from 788 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: the Tigers, the blokes that were the young sort of 789 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: scalleywags and now the leaders of that Storm side and 790 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: the you know that moment five years ago, four years 791 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: ago that really lit the fire in this Penrith side, 792 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: particularly Nathan Cleary, Jerome Lewi. Now it's you know, now 793 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: it's Melbourne's time to, I guess get their revenge because 794 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: they've been they've been held out of three or three 795 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: of the last few Grand Finals. By facing Penrith in 796 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: a prelim or a semi final. 797 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 2: The rabbit foot left and what happened mate? 798 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: It just fine. Might have to stay at the team's 799 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: hotel this week. I just want to do a final. 800 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: One final word. 801 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 2: We spoke about the left center of Jack Howarth at 802 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: Melbourne playing so good, well donder. Paul Alamodi, who's gone 803 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 2: to Penrith, couldn't was allowed to go by the Bulldogs 804 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 2: founder home playing great football. 805 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: Some of his kick chase efforts Jesus horrific, right, terrific, 806 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: scary right, Oh coops, good on you mate. 807 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 2: We're now just letting people know this week we're going 808 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: to have the we'll have the preview for the Grand Final, 809 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 2: but also Maddie's. 810 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 1: Rugby or Grand Final Quiz. 811 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 2: Fifty questions I'm going to give people and I'm going 812 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 2: to lay down the challenge. If you can get between 813 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 2: forty and fifty, you are a rugby league Savant's look 814 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 2: all for that.