Speaker 1: On Scotland's Ostrodia. This is the Wider Panalty Show. Good
Speaker 1: evening and welcome to the Rita Paney Show.
Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, a Labor Party linked climate charity receiving
Speaker 2: funding from firms embroiled in slave labor allegations in China.
Speaker 2: Adam Crichton will be here to discuss that and much more.
Speaker 1: Labor pledges millions more in.
Speaker 2: Medicare funding for lgbt Qia plus Australians.
Speaker 1: Stephanie Bastian has the details.
Speaker 2: We'll have advertising guru Richard Ralph Smith here to analyze
Speaker 2: the good, the bad and the ugly output of the
Speaker 2: major parties. And the Great Josh Hammer will have the
Speaker 2: latest from the US right after left He's losing it.
Speaker 2: And tonight we feature Joe Biden. Yes he's back.
Speaker 3: The parking lot and I had never seen I had
Speaker 3: never seen hardly any black people and Scranton.
Speaker 2: At the time when I but first Australia's plummeting birth rates,
Speaker 2: an issue that is being ignored by Labor and the
Speaker 2: Coalition despite the enormous impact it has on our country,
Speaker 2: it's demographics and its long term economic health. The Albanezi
Speaker 2: government's latest budget projected that Australia's birth rate will four
Speaker 2: to one point four this financial out. That's well below
Speaker 2: the rate of two point one. The ABS says we
Speaker 2: need to maintain a stable population and now former Treasurer
Speaker 2: Repetic Costello, who famously gave out three thousand dollars baby
Speaker 2: bonuses in his twenty two thousand and two budget, is
Speaker 2: warning that productivity is about to crash further. He told
Speaker 2: The Australian we are facing stronger headwinds in the future
Speaker 2: with fertility decline and an increase in the age dependency ratio.
Speaker 2: That means all other things being equal, productivity growth will
Speaker 2: be less. Joining me now for more on this, senior
Speaker 2: fellow and Chief Economists at the Institute of.
Speaker 1: Public Affairs, Adam Crichton. Adam, we have.
Speaker 2: Lots of policies aimed at young people in this election,
Speaker 2: a lot of focus on first home buyers, but really
Speaker 2: nothing on this very crucial issue, and it.
Speaker 1: Speaks about so much.
Speaker 2: It speaks about all sorts of societal issues as well
Speaker 2: as economic issues.
Speaker 4: Well, certainly, one of the reasons why I think young
Speaker 4: couples are not having children is because of two high
Speaker 4: house prices and yet the housing policies that have been
Speaker 4: proposed in this selection will actually push up those prices
Speaker 4: even more. So far from having no policies on the issue,
Speaker 4: the policies are actually bad for the issue. It's you know,
Speaker 4: it is a glaring emission that there's nothing nothing being
Speaker 4: said on either side of politics about this serious issue.
Speaker 4: One point four is seriously low, and I would say
Speaker 4: it's actually worse than that if you look at the
Speaker 4: native born population.
Speaker 1: So often talk about record low.
Speaker 4: So often it's migrant communities who have a lot of children.
Speaker 4: So the native born communities is having even less.
Speaker 5: Than one point four.
Speaker 4: And the problem in this country is we've just relied
Speaker 4: on immigrant for so long, mass immigration. You know, we
Speaker 4: had one point two million people come into this country
Speaker 4: in net terms in just three years from twenty twenty
Speaker 4: two to now, and so no one's looking at this.
Speaker 4: So if we slow the immigration down, we're going to
Speaker 4: notice the birth rate effect much much more. We could
Speaker 4: get creative like hungry for instance, where where I think
Speaker 4: recently there's a law change there that if a woman
Speaker 4: has four kids, she never pays income tax again.
Speaker 5: So that's a creative solution that may or may not work.
Speaker 4: But you know, but we should note that governments around
Speaker 4: the world have tried throwing money at families to.
Speaker 5: Have children, and it's very very hard. I mean the
Speaker 5: Japanese government case in point. I mean the birth rate
Speaker 5: there is even lower, the population.
Speaker 4: Shrinking very fast, and they spend a fortune on trying
Speaker 4: to get, you know.
Speaker 5: To get women to have children. I mean some of
Speaker 5: it is psychological.
Speaker 4: We've got so much, you know, so much climate change
Speaker 4: propaganda that some very misled young people are scared to
Speaker 4: have children.
Speaker 5: So that's another issue to absolutely.
Speaker 2: I think it speaks about all sorts of issues in
Speaker 2: a country when people don't want to have kids. I
Speaker 2: think it's even deeper than just housing cost and cost
Speaker 2: of living pressures.
Speaker 1: And you're right about Hungary.
Speaker 2: They are instituted a raft of policies and they are working.
Speaker 2: They have seen their birth rate booth, and you don't
Speaker 2: have to have four kids.
Speaker 1: They're not that.
Speaker 2: You can have just one child as a woman and
Speaker 2: you'll get a twenty five percent discount on your income
Speaker 2: tax rate that you're charged, and you have two kids
Speaker 2: fifty percent discounts, So there's a real incentive. But I
Speaker 2: think Australia we just rely on immigration, and we don't
Speaker 2: see this as a real issue because we'll just bring
Speaker 2: in more people.
Speaker 4: Look, there's a crazy belief out there too that the
Speaker 4: world's population is spiring out of control. Well, actually, as
Speaker 4: Elon Musk always points out, it's actually going to be
Speaker 4: spiring out.
Speaker 5: Of control in a downward direction pretty soon. Birth rates
Speaker 5: are falling everywhere, so even China. We are sharing it
Speaker 5: in China as well.
Speaker 1: It's ont due today.
Speaker 2: One Child policy is now seeing the impact of that,
Speaker 2: and it's going to be devastating for them in the
Speaker 2: medium term. Now, let's talk about the Smart Energy sol
Speaker 2: a green lobby group with links to labor and this
Speaker 2: We've got a senior advisor who's at Simon Holmes the Court.
Speaker 6: You've heard of him.
Speaker 2: Well, the Smart Energy Council has been court accepting thousands
Speaker 2: of dollars in funding from renewable energy companies accused of
Speaker 2: using Wiga slave labor in China. One of those firms
Speaker 2: is a major Chinese solar panel manufacturer, Jinko Solar.
Speaker 1: And Simon Homes.
Speaker 2: The Court actually attended a tour of one of their
Speaker 2: Chinese factories back in twenty nineteen as part of a
Speaker 2: delegation led by the Smart Energy Council. The council has
Speaker 2: a track record of donating to the ALP and has
Speaker 2: run campaigns telling voters to bin the Coalition. It is
Speaker 2: responsible for the disputed claim that the opposition's nuclear policy
Speaker 2: will cost six.
Speaker 1: Hundred billion Adam.
Speaker 2: I struggle to understand how this mob, this group enjoys
Speaker 2: charity status.
Speaker 4: Well, they always give themselves fancy names, smart energy Councils,
Speaker 4: to give the illusion of, you know, that it's bipartisan,
Speaker 4: when it's clearly not.
Speaker 5: These are just highly political outfits.
Speaker 4: The six hundred billion dollar figure, Actually the coalition should
Speaker 4: be pushing back more against that.
Speaker 5: I mean, where does it come from.
Speaker 4: And let's face it, even if it's even if it's true,
Speaker 4: at least we would get some nuclear powers, yes, for
Speaker 4: the six hundred rather than rather than borrowing five hundred
Speaker 4: billion during COVID for everyone to stay at home.
Speaker 5: But you know, the point here.
Speaker 4: From this that I drew it was just the extraordinary
Speaker 4: hypocrisy on the left with climate change, that you've got
Speaker 4: this slave labor being used to you know, to build
Speaker 4: the solar panels. And these are the same people who
Speaker 4: would say, oh, we need the highest industrial standards, the
Speaker 4: highest workplace standards, So you know, just just extraordinary hypocrisy.
Speaker 5: I would say.
Speaker 2: Now, the US is actively considering fifteen bespoke agreements with
Speaker 2: fifteen unnamed countries, and the Wall Street Journal is reporting
Speaker 2: that Treasury Scott Treasury Secretary of Scott percent is prioritizing
Speaker 2: quick agreements with South Korea, Kingdom and Australia, prioritizing deals
Speaker 2: with the US's strongest allies. Meanwhile, Adam, a top Chinese official,
Speaker 2: has launched an extraordinary attack against President Trump and America
Speaker 2: over the decision to slap a one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: five percent levy on goods from China.
Speaker 1: He called the move brutally unreasonable.
Speaker 2: They're senior Chinese official who overseas Hong Kong and Macau said,
Speaker 2: the US isn't after our tariffs, but our very survival.
Speaker 1: Let those peasants in the un hited States whale in
Speaker 1: front of the.
Speaker 2: Five thousand years of Chinese civilization.
Speaker 1: Goodness, may China's.
Speaker 2: Not used to a powerful country standing up time.
Speaker 5: I certainly not. Look, I mean, I'm not surprised that
Speaker 5: they're angry.
Speaker 4: I mean, some of the language it's quite amusing, but
Speaker 4: we've got, you know, we have a bullfight here between
Speaker 4: the two biggest balls in the world. So it's you know,
Speaker 4: it could get get quite agro. Let's hope it never
Speaker 4: gets to a military point. But on the trade front,
Speaker 4: there's going to be a lot of tariffs slapped on
Speaker 4: either side and hopefully Australia Australia comes out of it
Speaker 4: okay in the end. But it's worth pointing out too,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of your earlier story there about the
Speaker 4: possibility of an.
Speaker 5: Agreement with the US. I mean, we've done reasonably well
Speaker 5: out of this.
Speaker 4: There's tariffs of the tariffs have gone on all countries
Speaker 4: and we've just got ten percent, and that may even
Speaker 4: be lessened based on your story earlier.
Speaker 5: So you know, I think there's been a huge hysterical
Speaker 5: reaction about this policiciller and it's been completely over the top.
Speaker 2: That's waiting to say, completely over the top, particularly when
Speaker 2: you look at other nations who've got tariffs against our products.
Speaker 1: And there seems to be a little objection there.
Speaker 5: And so China going to stop you. I mean, China
Speaker 5: basically blockaded.
Speaker 4: Our coal for ages because we are any of our
Speaker 4: farming products, and there was nowhere near the reaction here
Speaker 4: that there has been with the US.
Speaker 5: Please, ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And also the way you're seeing people siding with this
Speaker 2: communist regime, the communist regime that enslaves Wiguas because of
Speaker 2: their religious leaves, that a slave labor, that Ain has
Speaker 2: a political dissidents who are facing the death penalty. Well,
Speaker 2: and you've got people who supposedly value human rights siding
Speaker 2: with China because Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: It's very telling.
Speaker 4: I think they actually do like the Chinese model of
Speaker 4: government more, even though.
Speaker 5: They don't say it, and that's why they don't attack them.
Speaker 4: They quite like the total aiteners and they think it's efficient,
Speaker 4: they think it works.
Speaker 5: They don't like the US idea of freedom. Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: the real issue.
Speaker 2: Now it's time to check in on the major party's
Speaker 2: social media campaigns. This week, they've been spooking their new
Speaker 2: housing policies. Let's have a look at what Labour put
Speaker 2: up on their Instagram page.
Speaker 7: I feel like our generation will actually be able to
Speaker 7: buy our own homes now. I just saw Albo's announcement
Speaker 7: that all first home buyers will only need a five
Speaker 7: percent deposit, and Labour's going to build one hundred thousand
Speaker 7: new homes just for first home buys that property investors
Speaker 7: won't be able to bit on.
Speaker 1: And we had this from the Libs.
Speaker 8: Three hundred and forty homes are complete and as these
Speaker 8: have been acquired and conversion into social and affordable housing.
Speaker 5: So do you say acquired and converted?
Speaker 1: Yes, that's my understanding.
Speaker 5: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Well then yeah, no, you go.
Speaker 6: I'll just go past to my team.
Speaker 5: How many of the three forty were built and how
Speaker 5: many were required?
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see if we can provide you with that answer.
Speaker 9: We can't afford three more years of labor authorized by
Speaker 9: a host liberal camera.
Speaker 2: Adam, I'll be speaking to an advertising expert shortly about
Speaker 2: how the major parties are faring.
Speaker 1: But what do you make of what you've seen so far?
Speaker 2: Actually, before I get your answer, let's check in with
Speaker 2: the Greens as well.
Speaker 1: They matter.
Speaker 5: They matter.
Speaker 9: We've just been out doing being in Merrickville and it
Speaker 9: is crystal clear that Palestine is absolutely on the minds
Speaker 9: of people here. They are totally disappointed for the Albanezi
Speaker 9: government's complicity in the genocide, and they're planning to send
Speaker 9: him a message at the ballot box.
Speaker 1: Will keep him dumbing out.
Speaker 10: Balestine is an election issue, but so is the cost
Speaker 10: of living, so is events going through the roof.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: The Green seem to think that Palestine is a major
Speaker 2: election issue.
Speaker 4: Look, that was the first takeaway there for me. I
Speaker 4: mean they didn't even talk about the climate. They talked
Speaker 4: about Gaza and basically keeping the Liberal Party out.
Speaker 5: So they're just a highly political effort in organization.
Speaker 4: Really, the climate is less and less an issue with
Speaker 4: the other two ads. Well, I think the young woman
Speaker 4: in the labor ad is going to get a rude
Speaker 4: shock when house prices keep going up. The labor policy
Speaker 4: is not going to make any difference. And of course
Speaker 4: this is the the five percent deposit policy, which you know,
Speaker 4: I mean think about it. Does it Does it make
Speaker 4: sense to buy a million dollar asset with fifty thousand dollars?
Speaker 5: I mean, what happens if the price goes down? Who's
Speaker 5: I mean? Who I mean who actually cops the loss? There? Well,
Speaker 5: this is a touchdoiler or the buyer.
Speaker 2: Because so many on the left do want house prices
Speaker 2: to drop. In fact, even Clara O'Neil got some criticism
Speaker 2: because she said, we don't want to see prices drop.
Speaker 2: These people don't seem to understand that if how's prices drop,
Speaker 2: that is economic disaster for Australians and a great many
Speaker 2: Australian households whose biggest asset is their home and they
Speaker 2: often have got significant borrowings against that home. So if
Speaker 2: that value of that asset drops, that is not a
Speaker 2: healthy economy.
Speaker 5: It's very true.
Speaker 4: I'm instantly looking back through history. The biggest depressions are
Speaker 4: caused by huge crashes in the property market, and I
Speaker 4: think if we had one now, it would be a
Speaker 4: very big depression. Indeed, look at you know, we've Australia's
Speaker 4: got itself into this issue where we're extremely dependent on
Speaker 4: house prices.
Speaker 5: Going up every year. As you say, everyone's borrowed fast
Speaker 5: sums of money. You know, like the irishman that joke.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to be starting here to get back
Speaker 4: to that other place where we're not so dependent.
Speaker 1: Adam Crush and thank you for your time tonight.
Speaker 2: Thanks Joining me now is DPR and co advertising co
Speaker 2: founder Richard Ralph Smith. Richard, We're going to assess the
Speaker 2: effectiveness of political ads we've seen during this campaign.
Speaker 1: Let's start with labor.
Speaker 2: Many of their ads have targeted Peter Dutton specifically, and
Speaker 2: there is always a scare campaign around cuts.
Speaker 11: The money for Peter dutton six hundred billion dollar nuclear
Speaker 11: plan has to come from somewhere, so twenty years to
Speaker 11: build to make up under four percent of the grid,
Speaker 11: and the CSIOO says it will drive up power bills
Speaker 11: and he'll have to drive up the cost of everything
Speaker 11: else to pay for it.
Speaker 5: So under Dutton, your health costs go up. Under Duttin,
Speaker 5: your tax goes up.
Speaker 11: Underdutton, your HEXTEP childcare medicines takee thees go up.
Speaker 5: He cuts you pay authorized p eRx and ALP camera.
Speaker 2: People say they don't like negative ads, but Richard negative ads,
Speaker 2: particularly political negative ads, are enormously effective. They've had other
Speaker 2: ads painting Peter Dutton as economically illiterate and reckless dangerous.
Speaker 1: How effective are they?
Speaker 8: They are effective, and they're quite easy. It's easy to
Speaker 8: do a negative ad. It's easy to sort of get
Speaker 8: people riled up about a negative ad and a positive one.
Speaker 8: This one's actually had quite a bit of an agement online.
Speaker 8: It's probably a labour's most effective scare ad. And I
Speaker 8: think the reason is that people don't average voters do
Speaker 8: not understand the cost structures of nuclear energy, or energy
Speaker 8: and any energy.
Speaker 5: For that matter.
Speaker 8: So raising the specter of cost and then itemizing all
Speaker 8: of those cost of living issues that are Dutton's means
Speaker 8: for paying for it is a really really effective scare campaign.
Speaker 2: That Yeah, I want to show you this Greens ad.
Speaker 2: They have been very clear with their messaging. They're basically saying,
Speaker 2: we want to keep Dutton out of office and we
Speaker 2: want to get Elbow to submit to our demands.
Speaker 10: If you're worried about the cost of living, housing, more
Speaker 10: climate crisis, you're not alone.
Speaker 7: We can't keep voting for the same two parties and
Speaker 7: expecting a different result.
Speaker 1: The Greens want change.
Speaker 5: If you need dental and mental health into medicare.
Speaker 12: Are rent freeze, cheaper groceries?
Speaker 13: And do you want to make big corporations pay their
Speaker 13: fair share of tax?
Speaker 1: We're with you.
Speaker 13: The Greens are within reach of winning new seats across
Speaker 13: the country.
Speaker 5: We'll keep Dutton out and get labor to acts.
Speaker 2: I guess to be surprised that it's overwhoingly young people
Speaker 2: in that ad.
Speaker 1: That's who they target.
Speaker 2: They've got a lot of policies that appeal to what
Speaker 2: I would call low information voters, whether you just get
Speaker 2: everything for free with really no thought of who's paying
Speaker 2: for this, how are we paying for it?
Speaker 5: So magic pudding.
Speaker 1: It is a bit of a magic pudding. But does
Speaker 1: it work?
Speaker 5: Look, I think we'll see.
Speaker 8: I think the most likely outcome we are going to
Speaker 8: have from this election if the betting markets are to
Speaker 8: be believed as a Labor Greens coalition.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 8: So what's interesting in that ad as well is that
Speaker 8: out of thirty seconds, they spend one second talking about
Speaker 8: the environment, and as you say, they make it really,
Speaker 8: really really clear, we're going to keep Dutton out and
Speaker 8: we're going to drag labor to the left. So they're
Speaker 8: putting all their cards on the table as much as
Speaker 8: when Easy doesn't want to admit that that's what's going
Speaker 8: to happen if the votes fall that way.
Speaker 2: How do you strike that balance tween being able to
Speaker 2: articulate a position in an ad say this is what
Speaker 2: we stand for, but at the same time getting the
Speaker 2: message through that the other guy is bad news. We've
Speaker 2: got to be getting rid of albol, getting rid of Dutton.
Speaker 1: It's how do you manage that when you've got limited
Speaker 1: time limited budget.
Speaker 8: Well, the first thing is you don't try to do
Speaker 8: everything right. You need to create an overarching narrative that
Speaker 8: is a motive that's easy to understand and that you
Speaker 8: repeat with all of these different proof points. You can
Speaker 8: put positive ads, negative ads under it, and people just
Speaker 8: buy it. I mean, everybody knew in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 8: Yes we can for Obama, everybody knows make America great again.
Speaker 8: If you ask the average liberal or labor voter what
Speaker 8: the line or the overarching theme of either of their
Speaker 8: campaign is, none of them know. And the reason is
Speaker 8: because they're boring and they keep changing, they keep scattering
Speaker 8: their messages.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, And we saw that also with Tony Abbott's landslide victory,
Speaker 2: where it was about stop the boats. We knew what
Speaker 2: the policy was. We knew about Cardi cutting carbon tax.
Speaker 2: It was clear and it was a clear point of differentiation.
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the Libs now.
Speaker 1: They've put out a rap song.
Speaker 6: You've got to bring them braces down.
Speaker 11: This is what we know because our bull's gotta leave,
Speaker 11: owbull's gotta leave.
Speaker 5: Questions credit.
Speaker 2: Are they trying to make elbow look cool? Because if
Speaker 2: you watch that, you think maybe that wasn't a labor ad.
Speaker 2: I struggle to understand what angle they're going for with that.
Speaker 2: Are they trying to appeal to young voters appear to
Speaker 2: be hip and cool?
Speaker 8: I know, could the campaign get any dumber? Look, there
Speaker 8: are two scores of thought. The first one and you know,
Speaker 8: I did a bit of a one thing that's great
Speaker 8: about advertising. A lot of gen Z's in the office,
Speaker 8: like you can always do a straw pole. They all
Speaker 8: thought it was stupid. They all thought it was like
Speaker 8: the old man trying to be the cool kid.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, not everyone on TikTok is a tully,
Speaker 2: not a schooling exactly.
Speaker 8: Not everyone on TikTok is eighteen and some eighten year
Speaker 8: olds are quite smart and engaged as well. So that's
Speaker 8: one side of the coin. The other side of the coin,
Speaker 8: it's like rage bait. You know, are people going to
Speaker 8: hate on this enough that well, while they're hating on it,
Speaker 8: they're engaged, whether they're sharing it and they're talking it.
Speaker 8: And this has actually had the most engagement and the
Speaker 8: most news media and the most sharing of anything that
Speaker 8: we've had so far.
Speaker 5: So I don't think I think it's de branding for
Speaker 5: the Liberals. I don't think it.
Speaker 8: Looks like the Liberal Party that people trust at all.
Speaker 8: For those who do trust the Liberal Party at de
Speaker 8: brands among their base, look among the young people. That
Speaker 8: might at least shift the narrative and have them talking
Speaker 8: about the party. But I don't think it's enough to
Speaker 8: move a needle.
Speaker 12: No.
Speaker 2: And I think that notion that any publicity is good
Speaker 2: publicity just because it's getting attention it's successful.
Speaker 1: Is a very very dangerous.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That is I think something advertisers say when they come
Speaker 2: up with bad ads that go viral.
Speaker 1: They have also put out this effort they'll.
Speaker 5: Be better off under a labor government than they will.
Speaker 1: Be really done. Has he delivered more housing?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: Has he made things cheaper as he fixed the cost
Speaker 1: of living fourteen bucks thanks?
Speaker 6: Nah?
Speaker 5: Has he made the country safer?
Speaker 1: Nah? Didn't he spend nearly half a billion on the police?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: He did that.
Speaker 15: We can't afford three more years of labor authorized by
Speaker 15: a host liberal Canberra.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that ad? Does it pass
Speaker 1: the pop test?
Speaker 8: I was going to say it's a literal pub test.
Speaker 8: It's actually had some decent online engagement. It's kind of
Speaker 8: relatable the guy on the left looks like he's had
Speaker 8: ten beers. So there's one hundred and forty bucks cost
Speaker 8: of living message right there. It does a fairly reasonable
Speaker 8: job of itemizing the failures of the last few years,
Speaker 8: but it's not really it's not going to get people
Speaker 8: talking and sharing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit boring, that's it. Richard Ralph Smith,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Thank you, reader
Speaker 2: stilta carma, lefties losing it? Plus Donald Trump hits a
Speaker 2: record high approval rating amid the tariff turmoil.
Speaker 1: Josh Hammer joins me.
Speaker 2: Next, you're watching the Reader Panny Show, and it's time
Speaker 2: for lefties.
Speaker 1: Losing it and he's back the puppet President.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden has made his first public remarks since he
Speaker 2: left office in January, and of course he launched into
Speaker 2: an incoherent attack against President Donald Trump. It was a mess, folks,
Speaker 2: a train wreck, just like his presidency. It started badly
Speaker 2: and it got worse. Let's look at Biden here, ignoring
Speaker 2: the blaring music and just launching into his.
Speaker 6: Speech about rain old girl.
Speaker 9: We deserve.
Speaker 2: Oh that had to abruptly cut the music because he
Speaker 2: wasn't stopping, folks.
Speaker 1: He was going to keep talking even though no one
Speaker 1: could hear him.
Speaker 6: Bless uh.
Speaker 1: You know, perhaps they should have kept the music coming.
Speaker 3: That's what you're all about. That's what that's what, That's
Speaker 3: what the legislation is about. It's about dignity, simple dignity. Everyone.
Speaker 3: Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity, regardless of the standard,
Speaker 3: regardless of economics, regardless of who they are making sure
Speaker 3: of the more than sixty million Americans were living with disabilities,
Speaker 3: are treating with dignity.
Speaker 5: Is that who we are as Americans.
Speaker 3: That's what it's about.
Speaker 1: I mean it.
Speaker 2: It was classic Joe Biden, gibberish, belly, coherent sentences, bursts
Speaker 2: of anger and shouting and whatever.
Speaker 14: This is.
Speaker 1: The parking lot.
Speaker 3: And I had never seen I had never seen hardly
Speaker 3: any black people scanting at the time when I and
Speaker 3: I was only going on the fourth grade. And I
Speaker 3: remember seeing the kids going by at the time called
Speaker 3: colored kids on a bus going by.
Speaker 2: Okay, Joe, you know, Biden's cognitive decline is nothing new.
Speaker 2: It was evident even before he became president.
Speaker 14: Remember this got hairy legs, that turn that that that
Speaker 14: that that turn about, blonde in the sun and The
Speaker 14: kids used to come up and reach in the pool
Speaker 14: and rub my leg down.
Speaker 3: So it was training that. Watch the hair come back
Speaker 3: up again.
Speaker 16: They look at it.
Speaker 15: So I learned about roaches.
Speaker 17: I learned about kids jumping on my lap, and I
Speaker 17: love kids jumping on my lap.
Speaker 1: He learnt about roaches. He learned about kids jumping.
Speaker 2: On his lap, and he loves kids jumping on his lap.
Speaker 2: That was before he was president. Never forget how the
Speaker 2: leftist media covered up that man's obvious mental decline. Now,
Speaker 2: talking about mental decline, let's check in with Bernie Sanders,
Speaker 2: who was at Coachella.
Speaker 1: Yes, the millionaire socialist with three houses.
Speaker 2: Thought a music festival was the perfect place for this
Speaker 2: anti Trump sermon.
Speaker 1: We need you to stand up to fight for justice.
Speaker 15: He thinks stay climate change.
Speaker 5: It's a hopes.
Speaker 1: He is dangerously wrong.
Speaker 15: And you and I, you and I are going to
Speaker 15: have to stand up to the bustle f.
Speaker 13: Your industry and tell them to stop destroying this flat.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure the drugged upper yuppies at Coachella really
Speaker 2: appreciated that rant and everything at that music festival is
Speaker 2: actually dependent on fossil fuels, including the jets. The rich
Speaker 2: and famous take to perform more attend the festival. There
Speaker 2: was plenty more lefties losing it at Coachella. Here is
Speaker 2: Kneecap Kneecap. Google tells me it's a Irish hip hop group,
Speaker 2: as if that's a thing they had the drugged up Yup.
Speaker 2: He is in California singing this delightful tune about Margaret Thatcher.
Speaker 6: If anybody was.
Speaker 1: Well, Margaret Fletcher herself.
Speaker 6: Damn.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Yes, the greatest formal leta we have
Speaker 2: seen and died at the age of eighty seven, twelve
Speaker 2: years ago, and these sad losers are still chanting about it.
Speaker 1: Ding up the Coachella lunacy.
Speaker 2: Our middle aged MUSCAA wearing pop rockers Green Day, who
Speaker 2: have taken a break from their pro Palestinian activism to
Speaker 2: again rail against Mega.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe I'm.
Speaker 5: Not of the Mega Chen.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: It seemed like only last week we were laughing at
Speaker 2: Democrat Cory Booker's stunt of talking for twenty four hours straight.
Speaker 1: We wondered whether he was wearing an adult nappy. Those
Speaker 1: questions were never answered.
Speaker 2: And bless him, Corey Booker is back now and he's
Speaker 2: not only providing lolls but hugs.
Speaker 10: What are we going to do about protecting LGBTQ rates
Speaker 10: and trans rates for those who don't have a voice
Speaker 10: that could speak up.
Speaker 5: This is not a costume. This is who I am,
Speaker 5: and I am not about to let him tell me
Speaker 5: who I am.
Speaker 9: Thank you, thank you for coming.
Speaker 5: So so, first of all, can I have a hug?
Speaker 2: Yes, we've already spoken about the insufferable, self delighted, rich
Speaker 2: and famous ladies who went into space for a few.
Speaker 1: Minutes, but they keep talking about it, so I've got
Speaker 1: to cover it. Here is Katy Perry.
Speaker 12: I hope they can see the unity that we modeled
Speaker 12: and replicate that and understand that we weren't just taking
Speaker 12: up space. We were making space for the future. And
Speaker 12: for me, like Gil said, this wasn't a ride, it
Speaker 12: wasn't a destination. It was a journey and it was
Speaker 12: a supernatural one.
Speaker 2: And here is Oprah's bestie, Gail King, talking about the
Speaker 2: backlash to all the hyperbole we've heard from these ladies.
Speaker 18: This is what bothers me because I've certainly read some
Speaker 18: of the things online coming from people that I know
Speaker 18: that I like, that I consider friends. Space is not
Speaker 18: an either or, it's a both and and because you
Speaker 18: do something in space doesn't mean you're tea anything away
Speaker 18: from Earth. And what you're doing in space is trying
Speaker 18: to make things better here on Earth.
Speaker 2: And Gail King claims that these overprivileged women were victims
Speaker 2: of sexism. How else can you explain this stunt being
Speaker 2: called frivolous?
Speaker 18: What do you think when people say, oh, it's frivolous.
Speaker 18: Number one, they call it a ride, which I find
Speaker 18: very irritating because they never say men went for a ride.
Speaker 18: What do you say to people who think that this
Speaker 18: was frivolous or just to ride it? You know, I
Speaker 18: think the message that it sends is very, very powerful.
Speaker 2: Laurence Sanchez, whose fiance Jeff owns the rocket, while she
Speaker 2: was reduced to tears by the experience.
Speaker 1: And six women just did the same flight that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she didn't.
Speaker 1: I just want to keep hugging you.
Speaker 15: It's really cool.
Speaker 18: Yeah, And I hope that more people get to see
Speaker 18: this because I feel I don't even.
Speaker 6: Know how much it's going to change me.
Speaker 2: And if you thought that was bad, watch this performance
Speaker 2: from Katy Perry, who joining me now is Newsweek's Senior
Speaker 2: editor at Large and Article three projects senior Council Josh Hammer.
Speaker 1: Josh, just how insufferable and self delighted can these ladies be?
Speaker 2: We had less carry on when real astronauts stranded in
Speaker 2: space for months were rescued recently by SpaceX. These over
Speaker 2: privileged ladies spent a total of eleven minutes floating around
Speaker 2: in their designer spacesuits.
Speaker 1: And now they think it's going to bring about world peace.
Speaker 13: Yeah, reader, you know, it kind of reminds me a
Speaker 13: little bit of the old John Lennon's song Imagine, otherwise
Speaker 13: known as the as the worst song ever written. I mean,
Speaker 13: John Lennon had this song back in the nineteen seventies
Speaker 13: after the breakup of the Beatles, that it's going to
Speaker 13: be a world with no borders, no religion, just Kumbai
Speaker 13: ya world peace there, you know, and apparently Katy Perry
Speaker 13: here and they and the ladies circumnavigating the globe in
Speaker 13: the year twenty twenty five are trying to do their
Speaker 13: best John Lennon Imagine impression there. But I mean, what
Speaker 13: a bunch of of just over indulgent, pure exhibitionism. I mean,
Speaker 13: that really is the world that comes to mind here.
Speaker 13: I mean, I think this is obviously a stunt. It
Speaker 13: is transparently a stunt. These people are not going into
Speaker 13: space for any other reason other than to kind of
Speaker 13: raise their fist and say raw raw feminism. World beside.
Speaker 13: I mean the message frankly, like, I don't even really
Speaker 13: understand exactly what the purpose of this stunt was. I mean,
Speaker 13: it's kind of like a United Nations like hold hands
Speaker 13: together kumbayah thing. It's also partially like a feminism thing.
Speaker 13: But frankly, I mean when people do this in the
Speaker 13: name of feminism, they actually set real feminism and real
Speaker 13: genuine equality. The sex is backwards there, because I mean,
Speaker 13: if this is what people think of when they think
Speaker 13: of feminisms, someone who gets dolled up and they put
Speaker 13: on the designer suits and the makeup. I mean Katy
Speaker 13: Perry clearly spending more time actually getting her makeup ready
Speaker 13: than actually going up into the atmosphere, right. I mean,
Speaker 13: I mean people see this and they're like, Okay, this
Speaker 13: is feminists, I'm going to pose it. So they're undermining
Speaker 13: the very cause they purport a champion. They're ultimately all
Speaker 13: sorts of these stunts. This is the reason, reader, why
Speaker 13: I think the left is just is just not in
Speaker 13: a good place in the United States, because it is
Speaker 13: all pure symbolism. It is all virtue singling. That's the
Speaker 13: entire edifice, that's the entire purpose. Super nuts of all, frankly,
Speaker 13: all of all they believe these.
Speaker 2: Days, you're so right, is just so self delighted, so
Speaker 2: divorced from reality. And they probably did spend a great
Speaker 2: deal more time on their hair and makeup than they
Speaker 2: actually did in space.
Speaker 1: They were up there only for eleven minutes. Now, let's
Speaker 1: talk about Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: He's going to be very happy with the poll released overnight.
Speaker 2: After a poor showing on a CBS poll a day earlier,
Speaker 2: this latest poll shows Donald Trump has hit a record
Speaker 2: high approval rating amid the tariff turmoil. The new Daily
Speaker 2: Mail Jail Partner's polling was conducted between April ten and
Speaker 2: a fourteen, and it shows the president's approval ratings sitting
Speaker 2: at fifty four percent. Josh, what's really interesting here is
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump remains most popular with young voters. Among
Speaker 2: those aged eighteen to twenty nine, the president's approval rating
Speaker 2: is sixty four percent, and it's in their fifties for
Speaker 2: every other age group.
Speaker 1: That's pretty incredible.
Speaker 5: Josh.
Speaker 13: So, there's a few things that are very very interesting
Speaker 13: about about those graphs and the data that we all
Speaker 13: just saw there. So, going back to the to the
Speaker 13: Trump baseline number there, he's currently at around fifty three
Speaker 13: percent curt this poll. Even at his lowest point of
Speaker 13: the second term thus far, he's at around forty nine percent.
Speaker 13: Forty nine percent believe it or not, Riada in contemporary
Speaker 13: American polling is actually very good as far as the
Speaker 13: president's approval rating goes. I'm not sure that Donald Trump
Speaker 13: reached forty nine percent really in his entire first term. Neither,
Speaker 13: for that matter, de Barack Obama in his entire second term.
Speaker 13: Joe Biden definitely did not. We probably have not seen
Speaker 13: presidential approval ratings this high since the very earliest days
Speaker 13: of Barack Obama, prior to twenty ten, prior to Obamacare,
Speaker 13: back when the country was still enraptured by these false
Speaker 13: promises of hope and change. It's been a long time,
Speaker 13: as the point there, So Donald Trump is clearly on
Speaker 13: a high. People that are trying to tear him down,
Speaker 13: that are saying that he's he's in a constitutional crisis
Speaker 13: and that he's in a showdown of the courts. What's
Speaker 13: going to happen with this El Salvadoran migrant there DEI
Speaker 13: they're calling my racist as they would do there. The
Speaker 13: American people aren't buying it. The American people have seen
Speaker 13: this play before and when you cry wolf enough times rita,
Speaker 13: which the Democrat media complex here in the United States
Speaker 13: has been doing on and on and on and on
Speaker 13: for the past decade, ever since Trump's to send down
Speaker 13: the guilded Escalator a Trump Tower in the summer fifteen.
Speaker 13: At some point, the American people are just gonna say enough,
Speaker 13: I call your bluff. I don't buy it. That's what's
Speaker 13: happening right now.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And we've seen these poll numbers always be underreported anyhow,
Speaker 2: which shocked me that it was still happening in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, because we saw that in twenty sixteen, and
Speaker 2: it was pretty concised throughout the twenty twenty four campaign
Speaker 2: as well, where the reality did not match the polls.
Speaker 2: The reality ended up being a lot better for Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: and the bad news continues for the Democrats. Have a
Speaker 2: listen to this shock poll result, This shook up CNN.
Speaker 17: This to me is one of the most shocking pieces
Speaker 17: of poll data that I truly, truthfully have seen this year,
Speaker 17: maybe in any prior year. Really, yes, really, because I
Speaker 17: want you to take a look cares more about the
Speaker 17: needs for people like you? You mentioned to Kate Paul,
Speaker 17: and we got a tie.
Speaker 16: Even after this terifar had already started split between Democrats
Speaker 16: and Republicans on how people feel which party cares more
Speaker 16: for needs of people like you?
Speaker 17: And why is that so surprising? Because I want you
Speaker 17: to take a look.
Speaker 1: At prior years.
Speaker 17: Democrats always lead on this question.
Speaker 16: Back in twenty seventeen, before the twenty eighteen mid terms,
Speaker 16: thirteen point lead, twenty five, a twenty three point lead
Speaker 16: for Democrats, nineteen ninety four, which was a big Republican year,
Speaker 16: a nineteen point lead for Democrats, and now, all of
Speaker 16: a sudden, a tie. All of a sudden, the Democrats,
Speaker 16: who were the party of the people no more, no more,
Speaker 16: We get a tie on this question, on a question
Speaker 16: that has traditionally overwhelmingly been a Democratic advantage.
Speaker 2: This is a stunning turnaround, Josh, and I think the
Speaker 2: tariff policy, as unpopular as we are told it is,
Speaker 2: might have something to do with that.
Speaker 13: Well, it had a lot to do with that actually,
Speaker 13: because it is emblematic of Donald Trump's working class mentality there.
Speaker 13: I mean, this is a man who has fundamentally reshaped
Speaker 13: the Republican Party. And you know, people say that it's
Speaker 13: Donald Trump's party. No, there's actually a very long historical
Speaker 13: school of thought when it comes to this more national
Speaker 13: as populous strand of conservatism. I think back actually as
Speaker 13: far back as Benjamin Disraelied, the nineteenth century British prime minister.
Speaker 13: He coined the term one nation conservatism. It's this idea
Speaker 13: that the working class, in the middle class really is
Speaker 13: that really of the country.
Speaker 1: For far too long, for far too long.
Speaker 13: The Republican Party veered in a pro elite, pro wall
Speaker 13: ste direction. They lost track of who they were. They
Speaker 13: complete abandoned the very people that made this country grin
Speaker 13: in the first place. Donald Trump is bringing it back there,
Speaker 13: and his pro tariff, pro industrial policy measures I think
Speaker 13: are very much part of the appeal. He recognizes that
Speaker 13: our economists are ruling elits. Both parts went way way
Speaker 13: way too far down the rabbit hole and maximizing vague
Speaker 13: nostrums such as economic efficiency and consumer surplus. What about
Speaker 13: the notion of manufacturing What about just making stuff there?
Speaker 13: What about the fact that China has just taken all
Speaker 13: of America's national security critical supply chain there? This stuff
Speaker 13: actually matters a lot. Donald Trump's the guy to do it.
Speaker 13: They're he's the champion of the working class. And you
Speaker 13: see right there in the CNN poll. You know Harry Enton.
Speaker 13: There is a CNN guy. I've known Harry since I
Speaker 13: was eighteen years old.
Speaker 1: We go way back.
Speaker 13: Like I feel readA that Harry's trying to tell the
Speaker 13: c and and audience a message there. I'm not sure
Speaker 13: the CNN audience wants to listen to that message stuff.
Speaker 1: No, I think when he brings them news like that,
Speaker 1: they just turn off. Now we talk about.
Speaker 2: Constitutional crisis, this, I think is the real constitutional crisis.
Speaker 2: Another Obama appointed judge, this time Indirat Taliwany, blocking the
Speaker 2: Trump administration from canceling a program introduced by Joe Biden
Speaker 2: granted parole and the right to work to more than
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand immigrants from our countries like Haiti and Venezuela.
Speaker 1: What happens next year.
Speaker 2: Josh, What can the administration do about these activist judges
Speaker 2: who are undermining the authority of the July elected president.
Speaker 13: Well, there's a lot, frankly, that Congress and the president,
Speaker 13: acting in tandem can do. Fortunately for Donald Trump, his
Speaker 13: party Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, so if they
Speaker 13: actually wanted to, they could solve this prom essentially overnight.
Speaker 13: So here are among the various things they could do.
Speaker 13: You can, of course, get the ball rolling on judicial
Speaker 13: impeachment if there is a truly rogue judge. Now then
Speaker 13: really that would require a two thirds majority in the Senate,
Speaker 13: so it's a bit of a long shot there. But
Speaker 13: you could pass legislation Congress could pass, and the president
Speaker 13: consigns law, such things as jurisdiction stripping legislation. Congress has
Speaker 13: the ability, in our constitutional order to basically dictate what
Speaker 13: types of cases federal judges can hear. If Congress wants
Speaker 13: to say that, in a certain type of case, a
Speaker 13: certain cause of action, the federal courts have no jurisdiction.
Speaker 13: It's only state courts and local courts that here it.
Speaker 13: Congress can do that there. When it comes to some
Speaker 13: of these so called nationwide injunctions, which are lagrantly and
Speaker 13: frankly offensively unconstitutional, Congress could abolish that overnight tomorrow, Lane too,
Speaker 13: Congress has full authority to detail what remedies a federal
Speaker 13: court can issue and cannot issue. There And frankly, rita,
Speaker 13: I mean, if the courts really ultimately do want to
Speaker 13: play this game, they really really want to go go
Speaker 13: down there ultimately, ultimately, I think it's worth bearing in
Speaker 13: minds in the Federals number seventy eight from Alexander Hamilton,
Speaker 13: one of our great founding fathers. He famously said that
Speaker 13: the judiciary is the least dangerous branch because it has
Speaker 13: neither force nor will, but merely judgment, and depends upon
Speaker 13: the efficacy of the executive branch even for the enforcement
Speaker 13: of its own judgements. I emphasized that lighter part there,
Speaker 13: because it's something of a truism. The courts literally cannot
Speaker 13: enforce their own orders. In fact, the mere fact that
Speaker 13: egiicial opinion has been rendered in our system, it is
Speaker 13: the persuasive ability of that opinion that controls whether the
Speaker 13: executive will enforce it. So at some point there, at
Speaker 13: some point, frankly, their own hubos really could get the
Speaker 13: better of them.
Speaker 1: Now, this is big news.
Speaker 2: Earlier today, New York Attorney General Letitia James, who was
Speaker 2: behind so much of the law fare against Donald Trump
Speaker 2: in New York, has now been referred herself for possible
Speaker 2: prosecution over allegations of mortgage of fraud.
Speaker 1: What else can you tell me about this, Josh.
Speaker 13: Well, this is pretty brand new stuff across the transm
Speaker 13: But it looks to me like Tiss James listed to
Speaker 13: the Commonwealth of Virginia, the state of Virginia as her
Speaker 13: primary residence back when she was applying for a mortgage
Speaker 13: back in twenty twenty three. The problem is that Tiss
Speaker 13: James has been the attorney general of New York State
Speaker 13: for far longer than that there, So I mean square
Speaker 13: that circle for me. How can you legally get away
Speaker 13: with calling one state your primary residents try to get
Speaker 13: a more favorable mortgage interest rate type loan and on
Speaker 13: the other hand, you're the attorney general of a different
Speaker 13: state there. But you know, Rita, this is really nothing new.
Speaker 13: I mean Democrat, Democrat lawmakers, Democrat prosecutors, they played by
Speaker 13: an entirely different set of rules. I mean Tis James.
Speaker 13: We all remember her for being front and center of
Speaker 13: the lawfair, of the Democrat lawfair complex. They sprawling campaign
Speaker 13: to try to deprive Donald Trump of getting his second
Speaker 13: term in office.
Speaker 9: There.
Speaker 13: I think about Fannie Willis as well. Fannie Willis is
Speaker 13: in Atlanta, Georgia, Fuldon County, Georgia. Fannie Willis was on
Speaker 13: the wrong side of the law as well. So many
Speaker 13: of these Democrat prosecutors Rita, they just flip their hands.
Speaker 13: They say, you know what, I am the lawyer here,
Speaker 13: I'm the prosecutor.
Speaker 6: Screw you.
Speaker 13: I'm gonna make the rules here.
Speaker 5: You better come at me there.
Speaker 13: But you know what, the Trump doj is calling her
Speaker 13: bluff in this case tis James because she could find
Speaker 13: herself on the wrong side of the law for good.
Speaker 13: They'll depend on on which judge they draw there. But
Speaker 13: I like what I see so far. I like the
Speaker 13: aggressiveness of the administration and bringing these charges.
Speaker 2: A bit of irony given the cases she pursued against
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, But there's got to be a reckoning for
Speaker 2: some of these activist prosecutors. She launched her old campaign
Speaker 2: on the premise of getting Trump. She wasn't even hiding
Speaker 2: how she was going to politicize that office.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 13: She literally ran in twenty eighteen for a trained general
Speaker 13: of New York State on a platform of I don't
Speaker 13: like Donald Trump and I am going to get him
Speaker 13: by any means necessary. There's there's actually kind of a
Speaker 13: clever legal analogy here. So in the Constitution there is
Speaker 13: a prescription and there's a ban on what is called
Speaker 13: a bill of a tainder. A bill of attainder goes
Speaker 13: back to the old English star chamber in like seventh
Speaker 13: century England, and a bill of attainder was a king's
Speaker 13: rits or a parliamentary active legislation that would single out
Speaker 13: an individual by name, meaning it was not a general provision.
Speaker 13: It was just singlely a one person for sole exclusive
Speaker 13: punishment there. So the analogy that I like to draw
Speaker 13: is that when Tis James ran for office there, she
Speaker 13: basically ran a bill of a tender political campaign. Now
Speaker 13: that's not necessarily illegal. I mean, we have a first moment.
Speaker 13: You can say a lot of crazy stuff on the
Speaker 13: campaign show. People frankly do it all the time there,
Speaker 13: but it's morally repulsive. It's morally repulsive there, and it
Speaker 13: says a lot about her character, frankly or lack thereof.
Speaker 1: Josh Hammah, thanks so much for your time tonight. Thank
Speaker 1: you still to come.
Speaker 2: Labor pledges millions more in Medicaid funding for lgbt QUI
Speaker 2: A plus plus Australians.
Speaker 1: Stephanie Bastian joins me in next welcome back.
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Women's Forum Australia's head of Advocacy,
Speaker 2: Stephanie Bastian.
Speaker 1: Steph.
Speaker 2: First, let's hear from Labor Our MP's Josh Burns, Peter Khalil,
Speaker 2: Cake Thwites and Jed Karney in this rather bizarre ad
Speaker 2: where they tackle one of Australia's foremost issues, splurging ten
Speaker 2: million dollars on training for primary care professionals to better
Speaker 2: support lgbt QIA plus Australians.
Speaker 5: Come on, come on, what are you going to do it?
Speaker 3: Not now, mate, Not now?
Speaker 5: All right, We got to let you go to your guess.
Speaker 1: Now we can make the announced a month for me. Sorry,
Speaker 1: you can actually pinpoint the second when it's hot. Rich
Speaker 1: in half.
Speaker 2: Now, a Labor government will invest ten million dollars in making.
Speaker 10: Medicare stronger for lgb TIQA plus Australians.
Speaker 1: This is going to make such a big difference for
Speaker 1: primary healthcare for people.
Speaker 7: In the quick community.
Speaker 4: Just builds on all work from our National Action Plan
Speaker 4: and it's all about supporting the queer community.
Speaker 6: And we're really proud.
Speaker 9: Only a labor government will deliver for LGBT i QA plus.
Speaker 1: People ten million dollars more.
Speaker 2: Stephanie, who knew enforcing pronouns was so expensive?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 10: Absolutely? But also I'm in this government is as ideological
Speaker 10: as it is irresponsible. Part of this funding is going
Speaker 10: towards ensuring that medical professionals are meeting best practice. The
Speaker 10: voluntary accreditation program. We don't even know what best practice is.
Speaker 10: There was a very damning judgment out last week. This
Speaker 10: video was made after, I might add where the judge
Speaker 10: found that the key witness who helped draft the guidelines
Speaker 10: of care for transgender diverse adolescents was ideological and an
Speaker 10: activist rather than an independent witness. There was a little
Speaker 10: boy who was being medically transitioned, approved of hormones until
Speaker 10: his dad intervened, without a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. These
Speaker 10: practices that are going on are not best practice. And
Speaker 10: the fact that the governments put their head.
Speaker 5: In the sand.
Speaker 10: Matt Butler has said that he hasn't read the judgment yet,
Speaker 10: he hasn't provided any comment, but the fact that they're
Speaker 10: now spending ten million dollars to invest in best practice
Speaker 10: shows that they do not care about the LGBTI community
Speaker 10: at all and are not willing to look at the
Speaker 10: facts to ensure they are actually receiving the best medical care.
Speaker 2: And in that case, you mentioned that that poor child
Speaker 2: has been under the care of a gender clinic since
Speaker 2: the age of six. Just incredible that it was a
Speaker 2: devastating judgment and to have the relevant minister not familiarize.
Speaker 1: Himself with it is not good.
Speaker 2: Let's turn our attention to the Riley Dennis versus a
Speaker 2: Kiraly Smith case. As we know, Dennis a transgender soccer player,
Speaker 2: so that's a biological male who identifies as female and
Speaker 2: plays with the Flying Bat's, a Sydney women's soccer team
Speaker 2: which has got five trans players. Riley Dennis is suie
Speaker 2: being political advocate Curly Smith for alleged vilification. Let's listen
Speaker 2: to this report from skye us as a senior reporter.
Speaker 15: Caroline Marcus, the transgender soccer player, is suing Caraly Smith,
Speaker 15: alleging the political advocate villified her when she tweeted about
Speaker 15: the top goalscorer in the women's first grade. Miss Dennis
Speaker 15: says the posts made her feel anxious, very upset, and
Speaker 15: that there was now a risk to my and my
Speaker 15: family's safety. Miss Smith refuses to back down.
Speaker 1: No one can change sex.
Speaker 5: Men are not women, and no man should be in
Speaker 5: women's sport.
Speaker 15: Miss Smith's legal team argues YouTube videos Riley Dennis made
Speaker 15: about trans issues makes her an activist.
Speaker 13: Hey, everyone, today, I want to talk about why I,
Speaker 13: as a queer person, support Muslims.
Speaker 15: It's all fair game for an activist to be taken
Speaker 15: head on by my client. I would not describe myself
Speaker 15: as an activist, Miss Dennis said, some of them what
Speaker 15: seemed to be a shield waiting for her to leave
Speaker 15: the court.
Speaker 1: Do you still feel in fear.
Speaker 15: For your safety, in your family's safety, Riley.
Speaker 1: This intimidation and harassment our way.
Speaker 11: Move out of our way.
Speaker 1: Harassment, Get out of our way, This intimidation, harassment, Get
Speaker 1: out of our way. Think pushing us is not intimidation.
Speaker 6: Get out of that way.
Speaker 2: Oh, dear MEA decision is expected to be handed down
Speaker 2: in July, Stephanie, But it's often the case with these actions,
Speaker 2: the process itself is almost a punishment.
Speaker 1: What more can you tell me about this case? Well, reader.
Speaker 10: I actually attended this case with my colleague, colleague Rachel Wong,
Speaker 10: and to be honest, the one thought that really went
Speaker 10: through my mind sitting in the courtroom was witch trials.
Speaker 10: Listening to Curly smith By cross examined by Riley Dennis's
Speaker 10: lawyers trying to make her advocacy fit into some sort
Speaker 10: of vilification was really disheartening.
Speaker 1: And it's you're absolutely correct.
Speaker 10: The punishment is the process of going through court.
Speaker 5: There's a lot.
Speaker 10: Resting on this judgment and I think that if the
Speaker 10: judge finds against Kurali, there's going to be an avalanche
Speaker 10: of women speaking at about sex base rights. There are
Speaker 10: safety risks that she has mentioned, there's fairness, there's a
Speaker 10: range of issues that really need discussion, and women like
Speaker 10: kurally A being silenced by the court process.
Speaker 2: It's just it's infuriating, it is and it's absolutely disheartening
Speaker 2: to see both sides of politics side with the activist.
Speaker 1: Class when it comes to this issue. It seems to
Speaker 1: be in one of.
Speaker 2: Those eighty twenty issues and the eighty percent of the
Speaker 2: population is not represented by the mainstream parties.
Speaker 1: We've seen a shift in that in the UK.
Speaker 2: We've seen a shift in the US, Scandinavia, but Australia,
Speaker 2: Stephanie seems to be just trapped in some backward notion
Speaker 2: that anybody who challenges this activist movement has to be punished.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 10: I mean there was even heartening news across the ditch
Speaker 10: in New Zealand where the healthcare system is now going
Speaker 10: to refer to women as biological women. That's a government mandate.
Speaker 10: It's really really frustrating that the current neither party have
Speaker 10: come to the table on this. I guarantee there are
Speaker 10: women and families and girls in every suburb across the
Speaker 10: country who would really like a resolution on this and
Speaker 10: to have their sex based rights reinstated.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it is this time we've had some courage from
Speaker 2: our politicians to take a stand for women.
Speaker 1: This is a woman's rights issue.
Speaker 2: It's clear there's not much doubt about who's losing out
Speaker 2: with this trans movement and the excesses of that movement
Speaker 2: and what it's demanding. Sephanie Bastian, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for your time tonight, and that's it from me.
Speaker 1: I'll see you at eleven tomorrow night. Up next, it's
Speaker 1: Newsnight