WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 16 April

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<v Speaker 1>On Scotland's Ostrodia. This is the Wider Panalty Show. Good

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<v Speaker 1>evening and welcome to the Rita Paney Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up tonight, a Labor Party linked climate charity receiving

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<v Speaker 2>funding from firms embroiled in slave labor allegations in China.

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Crichton will be here to discuss that and much more.

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<v Speaker 1>Labor pledges millions more in.

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<v Speaker 2>Medicare funding for lgbt Qia plus Australians.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephanie Bastian has the details.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have advertising guru Richard Ralph Smith here to analyze

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<v Speaker 2>the good, the bad and the ugly output of the

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<v Speaker 2>major parties. And the Great Josh Hammer will have the

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<v Speaker 2>latest from the US right after left He's losing it.

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<v Speaker 2>And tonight we feature Joe Biden. Yes he's back.

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<v Speaker 3>The parking lot and I had never seen I had

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<v Speaker 3>never seen hardly any black people and Scranton.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time when I but first Australia's plummeting birth rates,

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<v Speaker 2>an issue that is being ignored by Labor and the

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<v Speaker 2>Coalition despite the enormous impact it has on our country,

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<v Speaker 2>it's demographics and its long term economic health. The Albanezi

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<v Speaker 2>government's latest budget projected that Australia's birth rate will four

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<v Speaker 2>to one point four this financial out. That's well below

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<v Speaker 2>the rate of two point one. The ABS says we

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<v Speaker 2>need to maintain a stable population and now former Treasurer

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<v Speaker 2>Repetic Costello, who famously gave out three thousand dollars baby

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<v Speaker 2>bonuses in his twenty two thousand and two budget, is

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<v Speaker 2>warning that productivity is about to crash further. He told

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<v Speaker 2>The Australian we are facing stronger headwinds in the future

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<v Speaker 2>with fertility decline and an increase in the age dependency ratio.

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<v Speaker 2>That means all other things being equal, productivity growth will

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<v Speaker 2>be less. Joining me now for more on this, senior

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<v Speaker 2>fellow and Chief Economists at the Institute of.

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<v Speaker 1>Public Affairs, Adam Crichton. Adam, we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of policies aimed at young people in this election,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of focus on first home buyers, but really

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<v Speaker 2>nothing on this very crucial issue, and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaks about so much.

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<v Speaker 2>It speaks about all sorts of societal issues as well

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<v Speaker 2>as economic issues.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, certainly, one of the reasons why I think young

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<v Speaker 4>couples are not having children is because of two high

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<v Speaker 4>house prices and yet the housing policies that have been

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<v Speaker 4>proposed in this selection will actually push up those prices

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<v Speaker 4>even more. So far from having no policies on the issue,

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<v Speaker 4>the policies are actually bad for the issue. It's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it is a glaring emission that there's nothing nothing being

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<v Speaker 4>said on either side of politics about this serious issue.

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<v Speaker 4>One point four is seriously low, and I would say

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<v Speaker 4>it's actually worse than that if you look at the

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<v Speaker 4>native born population.

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<v Speaker 1>So often talk about record low.

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<v Speaker 4>So often it's migrant communities who have a lot of children.

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<v Speaker 4>So the native born communities is having even less.

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<v Speaker 5>Than one point four.

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<v Speaker 4>And the problem in this country is we've just relied

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<v Speaker 4>on immigrant for so long, mass immigration. You know, we

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<v Speaker 4>had one point two million people come into this country

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<v Speaker 4>in net terms in just three years from twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 4>two to now, and so no one's looking at this.

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<v Speaker 4>So if we slow the immigration down, we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>notice the birth rate effect much much more. We could

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<v Speaker 4>get creative like hungry for instance, where where I think

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<v Speaker 4>recently there's a law change there that if a woman

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<v Speaker 4>has four kids, she never pays income tax again.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's a creative solution that may or may not work.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, but we should note that governments around

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<v Speaker 4>the world have tried throwing money at families to.

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<v Speaker 5>Have children, and it's very very hard. I mean the

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<v Speaker 5>Japanese government case in point. I mean the birth rate

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<v Speaker 5>there is even lower, the population.

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<v Speaker 4>Shrinking very fast, and they spend a fortune on trying

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<v Speaker 4>to get, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>To get women to have children. I mean some of

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<v Speaker 5>it is psychological.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got so much, you know, so much climate change

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<v Speaker 4>propaganda that some very misled young people are scared to

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<v Speaker 4>have children.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's another issue to absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it speaks about all sorts of issues in

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<v Speaker 2>a country when people don't want to have kids. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's even deeper than just housing cost and cost

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<v Speaker 2>of living pressures.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're right about Hungary.

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<v Speaker 2>They are instituted a raft of policies and they are working.

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<v Speaker 2>They have seen their birth rate booth, and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to have four kids.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not that.

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<v Speaker 2>You can have just one child as a woman and

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<v Speaker 2>you'll get a twenty five percent discount on your income

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<v Speaker 2>tax rate that you're charged, and you have two kids

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<v Speaker 2>fifty percent discounts, So there's a real incentive. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think Australia we just rely on immigration, and we don't

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<v Speaker 2>see this as a real issue because we'll just bring

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<v Speaker 2>in more people.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, there's a crazy belief out there too that the

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<v Speaker 4>world's population is spiring out of control. Well, actually, as

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<v Speaker 4>Elon Musk always points out, it's actually going to be

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<v Speaker 4>spiring out.

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<v Speaker 5>Of control in a downward direction pretty soon. Birth rates

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<v Speaker 5>are falling everywhere, so even China. We are sharing it

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<v Speaker 5>in China as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ont due today.

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<v Speaker 2>One Child policy is now seeing the impact of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to be devastating for them in the

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<v Speaker 2>medium term. Now, let's talk about the Smart Energy sol

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<v Speaker 2>a green lobby group with links to labor and this

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a senior advisor who's at Simon Holmes the Court.

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<v Speaker 6>You've heard of him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Smart Energy Council has been court accepting thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars in funding from renewable energy companies accused of

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<v Speaker 2>using Wiga slave labor in China. One of those firms

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<v Speaker 2>is a major Chinese solar panel manufacturer, Jinko Solar.

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<v Speaker 1>And Simon Homes.

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<v Speaker 2>The Court actually attended a tour of one of their

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese factories back in twenty nineteen as part of a

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<v Speaker 2>delegation led by the Smart Energy Council. The council has

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<v Speaker 2>a track record of donating to the ALP and has

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<v Speaker 2>run campaigns telling voters to bin the Coalition. It is

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<v Speaker 2>responsible for the disputed claim that the opposition's nuclear policy

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<v Speaker 2>will cost six.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred billion Adam.

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<v Speaker 2>I struggle to understand how this mob, this group enjoys

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<v Speaker 2>charity status.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they always give themselves fancy names, smart energy Councils,

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<v Speaker 4>to give the illusion of, you know, that it's bipartisan,

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<v Speaker 4>when it's clearly not.

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<v Speaker 5>These are just highly political outfits.

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<v Speaker 4>The six hundred billion dollar figure, Actually the coalition should

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<v Speaker 4>be pushing back more against that.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, where does it come from.

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<v Speaker 4>And let's face it, even if it's even if it's true,

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<v Speaker 4>at least we would get some nuclear powers, yes, for

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<v Speaker 4>the six hundred rather than rather than borrowing five hundred

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<v Speaker 4>billion during COVID for everyone to stay at home.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, the point here.

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<v Speaker 4>From this that I drew it was just the extraordinary

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<v Speaker 4>hypocrisy on the left with climate change, that you've got

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<v Speaker 4>this slave labor being used to you know, to build

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<v Speaker 4>the solar panels. And these are the same people who

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<v Speaker 4>would say, oh, we need the highest industrial standards, the

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<v Speaker 4>highest workplace standards, So you know, just just extraordinary hypocrisy.

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<v Speaker 5>I would say.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the US is actively considering fifteen bespoke agreements with

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen unnamed countries, and the Wall Street Journal is reporting

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<v Speaker 2>that Treasury Scott Treasury Secretary of Scott percent is prioritizing

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<v Speaker 2>quick agreements with South Korea, Kingdom and Australia, prioritizing deals

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<v Speaker 2>with the US's strongest allies. Meanwhile, Adam, a top Chinese official,

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<v Speaker 2>has launched an extraordinary attack against President Trump and America

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<v Speaker 2>over the decision to slap a one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 2>five percent levy on goods from China.

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<v Speaker 1>He called the move brutally unreasonable.

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<v Speaker 2>They're senior Chinese official who overseas Hong Kong and Macau said,

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<v Speaker 2>the US isn't after our tariffs, but our very survival.

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<v Speaker 1>Let those peasants in the un hited States whale in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Five thousand years of Chinese civilization.

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<v Speaker 1>Goodness, may China's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not used to a powerful country standing up time.

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<v Speaker 5>I certainly not. Look, I mean, I'm not surprised that

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<v Speaker 5>they're angry.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, some of the language it's quite amusing, but

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<v Speaker 4>we've got, you know, we have a bullfight here between

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<v Speaker 4>the two biggest balls in the world. So it's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it could get get quite agro. Let's hope it never

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<v Speaker 4>gets to a military point. But on the trade front,

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<v Speaker 4>there's going to be a lot of tariffs slapped on

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<v Speaker 4>either side and hopefully Australia Australia comes out of it

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<v Speaker 4>okay in the end. But it's worth pointing out too,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, kind of your earlier story there about the

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<v Speaker 4>possibility of an.

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<v Speaker 5>Agreement with the US. I mean, we've done reasonably well

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<v Speaker 5>out of this.

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<v Speaker 4>There's tariffs of the tariffs have gone on all countries

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<v Speaker 4>and we've just got ten percent, and that may even

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<v Speaker 4>be lessened based on your story earlier.

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<v Speaker 5>So you know, I think there's been a huge hysterical

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<v Speaker 5>reaction about this policiciller and it's been completely over the top.

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<v Speaker 2>That's waiting to say, completely over the top, particularly when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at other nations who've got tariffs against our products.

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<v Speaker 1>And there seems to be a little objection there.

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<v Speaker 5>And so China going to stop you. I mean, China

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<v Speaker 5>basically blockaded.

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<v Speaker 4>Our coal for ages because we are any of our

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<v Speaker 4>farming products, and there was nowhere near the reaction here

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<v Speaker 4>that there has been with the US.

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<v Speaker 5>Please, ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>And also the way you're seeing people siding with this

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<v Speaker 2>communist regime, the communist regime that enslaves Wiguas because of

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<v Speaker 2>their religious leaves, that a slave labor, that Ain has

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<v Speaker 2>a political dissidents who are facing the death penalty. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've got people who supposedly value human rights siding

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<v Speaker 2>with China because Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 5>It's very telling.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they actually do like the Chinese model of

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<v Speaker 4>government more, even though.

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<v Speaker 5>They don't say it, and that's why they don't attack them.

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<v Speaker 4>They quite like the total aiteners and they think it's efficient,

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<v Speaker 4>they think it works.

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<v Speaker 5>They don't like the US idea of freedom. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 5>the real issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's time to check in on the major party's

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<v Speaker 2>social media campaigns. This week, they've been spooking their new

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<v Speaker 2>housing policies. Let's have a look at what Labour put

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<v Speaker 2>up on their Instagram page.

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<v Speaker 7>I feel like our generation will actually be able to

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<v Speaker 7>buy our own homes now. I just saw Albo's announcement

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<v Speaker 7>that all first home buyers will only need a five

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<v Speaker 7>percent deposit, and Labour's going to build one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 7>new homes just for first home buys that property investors

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<v Speaker 7>won't be able to bit on.

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<v Speaker 1>And we had this from the Libs.

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<v Speaker 8>Three hundred and forty homes are complete and as these

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<v Speaker 8>have been acquired and conversion into social and affordable housing.

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<v Speaker 5>So do you say acquired and converted?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's my understanding.

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<v Speaker 5>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Well then yeah, no, you go.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll just go past to my team.

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<v Speaker 5>How many of the three forty were built and how

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<v Speaker 5>many were required?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll see if we can provide you with that answer.

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<v Speaker 9>We can't afford three more years of labor authorized by

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<v Speaker 9>a host liberal camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Adam, I'll be speaking to an advertising expert shortly about

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<v Speaker 2>how the major parties are faring.

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<v Speaker 1>But what do you make of what you've seen so far?

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, before I get your answer, let's check in with

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<v Speaker 2>the Greens as well.

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<v Speaker 1>They matter.

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<v Speaker 5>They matter.

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<v Speaker 9>We've just been out doing being in Merrickville and it

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<v Speaker 9>is crystal clear that Palestine is absolutely on the minds

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<v Speaker 9>of people here. They are totally disappointed for the Albanezi

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<v Speaker 9>government's complicity in the genocide, and they're planning to send

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<v Speaker 9>him a message at the ballot box.

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<v Speaker 1>Will keep him dumbing out.

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<v Speaker 10>Balestine is an election issue, but so is the cost

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<v Speaker 10>of living, so is events going through the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>The Green seem to think that Palestine is a major

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<v Speaker 2>election issue.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, that was the first takeaway there for me. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean they didn't even talk about the climate. They talked

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<v Speaker 4>about Gaza and basically keeping the Liberal Party out.

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<v Speaker 5>So they're just a highly political effort in organization.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, the climate is less and less an issue with

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<v Speaker 4>the other two ads. Well, I think the young woman

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<v Speaker 4>in the labor ad is going to get a rude

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<v Speaker 4>shock when house prices keep going up. The labor policy

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<v Speaker 4>is not going to make any difference. And of course

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<v Speaker 4>this is the the five percent deposit policy, which you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean think about it. Does it Does it make

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<v Speaker 4>sense to buy a million dollar asset with fifty thousand dollars?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, what happens if the price goes down? Who's

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<v Speaker 5>I mean? Who I mean who actually cops the loss? There? Well,

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<v Speaker 5>this is a touchdoiler or the buyer.

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<v Speaker 2>Because so many on the left do want house prices

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<v Speaker 2>to drop. In fact, even Clara O'Neil got some criticism

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<v Speaker 2>because she said, we don't want to see prices drop.

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<v Speaker 2>These people don't seem to understand that if how's prices drop,

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<v Speaker 2>that is economic disaster for Australians and a great many

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<v Speaker 2>Australian households whose biggest asset is their home and they

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<v Speaker 2>often have got significant borrowings against that home. So if

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<v Speaker 2>that value of that asset drops, that is not a

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<v Speaker 2>healthy economy.

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<v Speaker 5>It's very true.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm instantly looking back through history. The biggest depressions are

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<v Speaker 4>caused by huge crashes in the property market, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think if we had one now, it would be a

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<v Speaker 4>very big depression. Indeed, look at you know, we've Australia's

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<v Speaker 4>got itself into this issue where we're extremely dependent on

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<v Speaker 4>house prices.

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<v Speaker 5>Going up every year. As you say, everyone's borrowed fast

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<v Speaker 5>sums of money. You know, like the irishman that joke.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't want to be starting here to get back

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<v Speaker 4>to that other place where we're not so dependent.

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Crush and thank you for your time tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Joining me now is DPR and co advertising co

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<v Speaker 2>founder Richard Ralph Smith. Richard, We're going to assess the

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<v Speaker 2>effectiveness of political ads we've seen during this campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with labor.

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<v Speaker 2>Many of their ads have targeted Peter Dutton specifically, and

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<v Speaker 2>there is always a scare campaign around cuts.

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<v Speaker 11>The money for Peter dutton six hundred billion dollar nuclear

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<v Speaker 11>plan has to come from somewhere, so twenty years to

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<v Speaker 11>build to make up under four percent of the grid,

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<v Speaker 11>and the CSIOO says it will drive up power bills

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<v Speaker 11>and he'll have to drive up the cost of everything

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<v Speaker 11>else to pay for it.

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<v Speaker 5>So under Dutton, your health costs go up. Under Duttin,

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<v Speaker 5>your tax goes up.

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<v Speaker 11>Underdutton, your HEXTEP childcare medicines takee thees go up.

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<v Speaker 5>He cuts you pay authorized p eRx and ALP camera.

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<v Speaker 2>People say they don't like negative ads, but Richard negative ads,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly political negative ads, are enormously effective. They've had other

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<v Speaker 2>ads painting Peter Dutton as economically illiterate and reckless dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>How effective are they?

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<v Speaker 8>They are effective, and they're quite easy. It's easy to

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<v Speaker 8>do a negative ad. It's easy to sort of get

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<v Speaker 8>people riled up about a negative ad and a positive one.

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<v Speaker 8>This one's actually had quite a bit of an agement online.

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<v Speaker 8>It's probably a labour's most effective scare ad. And I

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<v Speaker 8>think the reason is that people don't average voters do

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<v Speaker 8>not understand the cost structures of nuclear energy, or energy

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<v Speaker 8>and any energy.

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<v Speaker 5>For that matter.

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<v Speaker 8>So raising the specter of cost and then itemizing all

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<v Speaker 8>of those cost of living issues that are Dutton's means

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<v Speaker 8>for paying for it is a really really effective scare campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>That Yeah, I want to show you this Greens ad.

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<v Speaker 2>They have been very clear with their messaging. They're basically saying,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to keep Dutton out of office and we

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<v Speaker 2>want to get Elbow to submit to our demands.

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<v Speaker 10>If you're worried about the cost of living, housing, more

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<v Speaker 10>climate crisis, you're not alone.

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<v Speaker 7>We can't keep voting for the same two parties and

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<v Speaker 7>expecting a different result.

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<v Speaker 1>The Greens want change.

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<v Speaker 5>If you need dental and mental health into medicare.

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<v Speaker 12>Are rent freeze, cheaper groceries?

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<v Speaker 13>And do you want to make big corporations pay their

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<v Speaker 13>fair share of tax?

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<v Speaker 1>We're with you.

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<v Speaker 13>The Greens are within reach of winning new seats across

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<v Speaker 13>the country.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll keep Dutton out and get labor to acts.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess to be surprised that it's overwhoingly young people

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<v Speaker 2>in that ad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's who they target.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got a lot of policies that appeal to what

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<v Speaker 2>I would call low information voters, whether you just get

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<v Speaker 2>everything for free with really no thought of who's paying

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<v Speaker 2>for this, how are we paying for it?

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<v Speaker 5>So magic pudding.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a bit of a magic pudding. But does

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<v Speaker 1>it work?

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<v Speaker 5>Look, I think we'll see.

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<v Speaker 8>I think the most likely outcome we are going to

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<v Speaker 8>have from this election if the betting markets are to

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<v Speaker 8>be believed as a Labor Greens coalition.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 8>So what's interesting in that ad as well is that

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<v Speaker 8>out of thirty seconds, they spend one second talking about

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<v Speaker 8>the environment, and as you say, they make it really,

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<v Speaker 8>really really clear, we're going to keep Dutton out and

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<v Speaker 8>we're going to drag labor to the left. So they're

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<v Speaker 8>putting all their cards on the table as much as

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<v Speaker 8>when Easy doesn't want to admit that that's what's going

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<v Speaker 8>to happen if the votes fall that way.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you strike that balance tween being able to

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<v Speaker 2>articulate a position in an ad say this is what

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<v Speaker 2>we stand for, but at the same time getting the

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<v Speaker 2>message through that the other guy is bad news. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got to be getting rid of albol, getting rid of Dutton.

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<v Speaker 1>It's how do you manage that when you've got limited

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<v Speaker 1>time limited budget.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, the first thing is you don't try to do

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<v Speaker 8>everything right. You need to create an overarching narrative that

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<v Speaker 8>is a motive that's easy to understand and that you

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<v Speaker 8>repeat with all of these different proof points. You can

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<v Speaker 8>put positive ads, negative ads under it, and people just

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<v Speaker 8>buy it. I mean, everybody knew in two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 8>Yes we can for Obama, everybody knows make America great again.

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<v Speaker 8>If you ask the average liberal or labor voter what

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<v Speaker 8>the line or the overarching theme of either of their

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<v Speaker 8>campaign is, none of them know. And the reason is

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<v Speaker 8>because they're boring and they keep changing, they keep scattering

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<v Speaker 8>their messages.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And we saw that also with Tony Abbott's landslide victory,

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<v Speaker 2>where it was about stop the boats. We knew what

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<v Speaker 2>the policy was. We knew about Cardi cutting carbon tax.

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<v Speaker 2>It was clear and it was a clear point of differentiation.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have a look at the Libs now.

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<v Speaker 1>They've put out a rap song.

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<v Speaker 6>You've got to bring them braces down.

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<v Speaker 11>This is what we know because our bull's gotta leave,

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<v Speaker 11>owbull's gotta leave.

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<v Speaker 5>Questions credit.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they trying to make elbow look cool? Because if

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<v Speaker 2>you watch that, you think maybe that wasn't a labor ad.

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<v Speaker 2>I struggle to understand what angle they're going for with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they trying to appeal to young voters appear to

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<v Speaker 2>be hip and cool?

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<v Speaker 8>I know, could the campaign get any dumber? Look, there

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<v Speaker 8>are two scores of thought. The first one and you know,

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<v Speaker 8>I did a bit of a one thing that's great

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<v Speaker 8>about advertising. A lot of gen Z's in the office,

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<v Speaker 8>like you can always do a straw pole. They all

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<v Speaker 8>thought it was stupid. They all thought it was like

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<v Speaker 8>the old man trying to be the cool kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, yes, not everyone on TikTok is a tully,

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<v Speaker 2>not a schooling exactly.

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<v Speaker 8>Not everyone on TikTok is eighteen and some eighten year

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<v Speaker 8>olds are quite smart and engaged as well. So that's

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<v Speaker 8>one side of the coin. The other side of the coin,

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<v Speaker 8>it's like rage bait. You know, are people going to

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<v Speaker 8>hate on this enough that well, while they're hating on it,

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<v Speaker 8>they're engaged, whether they're sharing it and they're talking it.

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<v Speaker 8>And this has actually had the most engagement and the

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<v Speaker 8>most news media and the most sharing of anything that

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<v Speaker 8>we've had so far.

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't think I think it's de branding for

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<v Speaker 5>the Liberals. I don't think it.

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<v Speaker 8>Looks like the Liberal Party that people trust at all.

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<v Speaker 8>For those who do trust the Liberal Party at de

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<v Speaker 8>brands among their base, look among the young people. That

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<v Speaker 8>might at least shift the narrative and have them talking

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<v Speaker 8>about the party. But I don't think it's enough to

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<v Speaker 8>move a needle.

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<v Speaker 12>No.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that notion that any publicity is good

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<v Speaker 2>publicity just because it's getting attention it's successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a very very dangerous.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That is I think something advertisers say when they come

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<v Speaker 2>up with bad ads that go viral.

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<v Speaker 1>They have also put out this effort they'll.

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<v Speaker 5>Be better off under a labor government than they will.

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<v Speaker 1>Be really done. Has he delivered more housing?

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<v Speaker 10>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Has he made things cheaper as he fixed the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of living fourteen bucks thanks?

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<v Speaker 6>Nah?

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<v Speaker 5>Has he made the country safer?

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<v Speaker 1>Nah? Didn't he spend nearly half a billion on the police?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>He did that.

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<v Speaker 15>We can't afford three more years of labor authorized by

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<v Speaker 15>a host liberal Canberra.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about that ad? Does it pass

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<v Speaker 1>the pop test?

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<v Speaker 8>I was going to say it's a literal pub test.

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<v Speaker 8>It's actually had some decent online engagement. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 8>relatable the guy on the left looks like he's had

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<v Speaker 8>ten beers. So there's one hundred and forty bucks cost

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<v Speaker 8>of living message right there. It does a fairly reasonable

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<v Speaker 8>job of itemizing the failures of the last few years,

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<v Speaker 8>but it's not really it's not going to get people

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<v Speaker 8>talking and sharing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a bit boring, that's it. Richard Ralph Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for your time. Thank you, reader

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<v Speaker 2>stilta carma, lefties losing it? Plus Donald Trump hits a

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<v Speaker 2>record high approval rating amid the tariff turmoil.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Hammer joins me.

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<v Speaker 2>Next, you're watching the Reader Panny Show, and it's time

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<v Speaker 2>for lefties.

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<v Speaker 1>Losing it and he's back the puppet President.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden has made his first public remarks since he

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<v Speaker 2>left office in January, and of course he launched into

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<v Speaker 2>an incoherent attack against President Donald Trump. It was a mess, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>a train wreck, just like his presidency. It started badly

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<v Speaker 2>and it got worse. Let's look at Biden here, ignoring

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<v Speaker 2>the blaring music and just launching into his.

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<v Speaker 6>Speech about rain old girl.

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<v Speaker 9>We deserve.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that had to abruptly cut the music because he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't stopping, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>He was going to keep talking even though no one

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<v Speaker 1>could hear him.

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<v Speaker 6>Bless uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, perhaps they should have kept the music coming.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what you're all about. That's what that's what, That's

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<v Speaker 3>what the legislation is about. It's about dignity, simple dignity. Everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity, regardless of the standard,

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<v Speaker 3>regardless of economics, regardless of who they are making sure

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<v Speaker 3>of the more than sixty million Americans were living with disabilities,

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<v Speaker 3>are treating with dignity.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that who we are as Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what it's about.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was classic Joe Biden, gibberish, belly, coherent sentences, bursts

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<v Speaker 2>of anger and shouting and whatever.

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<v Speaker 14>This is.

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<v Speaker 1>The parking lot.

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<v Speaker 3>And I had never seen I had never seen hardly

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<v Speaker 3>any black people scanting at the time when I and

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<v Speaker 3>I was only going on the fourth grade. And I

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<v Speaker 3>remember seeing the kids going by at the time called

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<v Speaker 3>colored kids on a bus going by.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Joe, you know, Biden's cognitive decline is nothing new.

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<v Speaker 2>It was evident even before he became president.

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<v Speaker 14>Remember this got hairy legs, that turn that that that

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<v Speaker 14>that that turn about, blonde in the sun and The

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<v Speaker 14>kids used to come up and reach in the pool

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<v Speaker 14>and rub my leg down.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was training that. Watch the hair come back

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<v Speaker 3>up again.

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<v Speaker 16>They look at it.

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<v Speaker 15>So I learned about roaches.

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<v Speaker 17>I learned about kids jumping on my lap, and I

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<v Speaker 17>love kids jumping on my lap.

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<v Speaker 1>He learnt about roaches. He learned about kids jumping.

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<v Speaker 2>On his lap, and he loves kids jumping on his lap.

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<v Speaker 2>That was before he was president. Never forget how the

0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 2>leftist media covered up that man's obvious mental decline. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about mental decline, let's check in with Bernie Sanders,

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<v Speaker 2>who was at Coachella.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the millionaire socialist with three houses.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought a music festival was the perfect place for this

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<v Speaker 2>anti Trump sermon.

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<v Speaker 1>We need you to stand up to fight for justice.

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<v Speaker 15>He thinks stay climate change.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a hopes.

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<v Speaker 1>He is dangerously wrong.

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<v Speaker 15>And you and I, you and I are going to

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<v Speaker 15>have to stand up to the bustle f.

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<v Speaker 13>Your industry and tell them to stop destroying this flat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm sure the drugged upper yuppies at Coachella really

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:04.320
<v Speaker 2>appreciated that rant and everything at that music festival is

0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:07.639
<v Speaker 2>actually dependent on fossil fuels, including the jets. The rich

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:11.360
<v Speaker 2>and famous take to perform more attend the festival. There

0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:15.200
<v Speaker 2>was plenty more lefties losing it at Coachella. Here is

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Kneecap Kneecap. Google tells me it's a Irish hip hop group,

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<v Speaker 2>as if that's a thing they had the drugged up Yup.

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<v Speaker 2>He is in California singing this delightful tune about Margaret Thatcher.

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<v Speaker 6>If anybody was.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Margaret Fletcher herself.

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<v Speaker 6>Damn.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, Yes, the greatest formal leta we have

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<v Speaker 2>seen and died at the age of eighty seven, twelve

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, and these sad losers are still chanting about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Ding up the Coachella lunacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Our middle aged MUSCAA wearing pop rockers Green Day, who

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<v Speaker 2>have taken a break from their pro Palestinian activism to

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<v Speaker 2>again rail against Mega.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh maybe I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Not of the Mega Chen.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed like only last week we were laughing at

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.639
<v Speaker 2>Democrat Cory Booker's stunt of talking for twenty four hours straight.

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<v Speaker 1>We wondered whether he was wearing an adult nappy. Those

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<v Speaker 1>questions were never answered.

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<v Speaker 2>And bless him, Corey Booker is back now and he's

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<v Speaker 2>not only providing lolls but hugs.

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<v Speaker 10>What are we going to do about protecting LGBTQ rates

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<v Speaker 10>and trans rates for those who don't have a voice

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<v Speaker 10>that could speak up.

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<v Speaker 5>This is not a costume. This is who I am,

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<v Speaker 5>and I am not about to let him tell me

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<v Speaker 5>who I am.

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you, thank you for coming.

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<v Speaker 5>So so, first of all, can I have a hug?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we've already spoken about the insufferable, self delighted, rich

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:11.399
<v Speaker 2>and famous ladies who went into space for a few.

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<v Speaker 1>Minutes, but they keep talking about it, so I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to cover it. Here is Katy Perry.

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<v Speaker 12>I hope they can see the unity that we modeled

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<v Speaker 12>and replicate that and understand that we weren't just taking

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<v Speaker 12>up space. We were making space for the future. And

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<v Speaker 12>for me, like Gil said, this wasn't a ride, it

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 12>wasn't a destination. It was a journey and it was

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<v Speaker 12>a supernatural one.

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<v Speaker 2>And here is Oprah's bestie, Gail King, talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>backlash to all the hyperbole we've heard from these ladies.

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<v Speaker 18>This is what bothers me because I've certainly read some

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<v Speaker 18>of the things online coming from people that I know

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 18>that I like, that I consider friends. Space is not

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<v Speaker 18>an either or, it's a both and and because you

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<v Speaker 18>do something in space doesn't mean you're tea anything away

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<v Speaker 18>from Earth. And what you're doing in space is trying

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 18>to make things better here on Earth.

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 2>And Gail King claims that these overprivileged women were victims

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 2>of sexism. How else can you explain this stunt being

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 2>called frivolous?

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<v Speaker 18>What do you think when people say, oh, it's frivolous.

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<v Speaker 18>Number one, they call it a ride, which I find

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:21.160
<v Speaker 18>very irritating because they never say men went for a ride.

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:23.359
<v Speaker 18>What do you say to people who think that this

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 18>was frivolous or just to ride it? You know, I

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 18>think the message that it sends is very, very powerful.

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Laurence Sanchez, whose fiance Jeff owns the rocket, while she

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 2>was reduced to tears by the experience.

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<v Speaker 1>And six women just did the same flight that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, she didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to keep hugging you.

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<v Speaker 15>It's really cool.

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<v Speaker 18>Yeah, And I hope that more people get to see

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 18>this because I feel I don't even.

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 6>Know how much it's going to change me.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you thought that was bad, watch this performance

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<v Speaker 2>from Katy Perry, who joining me now is Newsweek's Senior

0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:15.000
<v Speaker 2>editor at Large and Article three projects senior Council Josh Hammer.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh, just how insufferable and self delighted can these ladies be?

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<v Speaker 2>We had less carry on when real astronauts stranded in

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:30.120
<v Speaker 2>space for months were rescued recently by SpaceX. These over

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 2>privileged ladies spent a total of eleven minutes floating around

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>in their designer spacesuits.

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 1>And now they think it's going to bring about world peace.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, reader, you know, it kind of reminds me a

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 13>little bit of the old John Lennon's song Imagine, otherwise

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 13>known as the as the worst song ever written. I mean,

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 13>John Lennon had this song back in the nineteen seventies

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 13>after the breakup of the Beatles, that it's going to

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<v Speaker 13>be a world with no borders, no religion, just Kumbai

0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 13>ya world peace there, you know, and apparently Katy Perry

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<v Speaker 13>here and they and the ladies circumnavigating the globe in

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 13>the year twenty twenty five are trying to do their

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 13>best John Lennon Imagine impression there. But I mean, what

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 13>a bunch of of just over indulgent, pure exhibitionism. I mean,

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 13>that really is the world that comes to mind here.

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 13>I mean, I think this is obviously a stunt. It

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 13>is transparently a stunt. These people are not going into

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 13>space for any other reason other than to kind of

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 13>raise their fist and say raw raw feminism. World beside.

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 13>I mean the message frankly, like, I don't even really

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 13>understand exactly what the purpose of this stunt was. I mean,

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 13>it's kind of like a United Nations like hold hands

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 13>together kumbayah thing. It's also partially like a feminism thing.

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 13>But frankly, I mean when people do this in the

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 13>name of feminism, they actually set real feminism and real

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.239
<v Speaker 13>genuine equality. The sex is backwards there, because I mean,

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 13>if this is what people think of when they think

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 13>of feminisms, someone who gets dolled up and they put

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 13>on the designer suits and the makeup. I mean Katy

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 13>Perry clearly spending more time actually getting her makeup ready

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.239
<v Speaker 13>than actually going up into the atmosphere, right. I mean,

0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 13>I mean people see this and they're like, Okay, this

0:29:59.920 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 13>is feminists, I'm going to pose it. So they're undermining

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 13>the very cause they purport a champion. They're ultimately all

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 13>sorts of these stunts. This is the reason, reader, why

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 13>I think the left is just is just not in

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 13>a good place in the United States, because it is

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 13>all pure symbolism. It is all virtue singling. That's the

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 13>entire edifice, that's the entire purpose. Super nuts of all, frankly,

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 13>all of all they believe these.

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Days, you're so right, is just so self delighted, so

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 2>divorced from reality. And they probably did spend a great

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 2>deal more time on their hair and makeup than they

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>actually did in space.

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>They were up there only for eleven minutes. Now, let's

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 1>talk about Donald Trump.

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 2>He's going to be very happy with the poll released overnight.

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<v Speaker 2>After a poor showing on a CBS poll a day earlier,

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:51.479
<v Speaker 2>this latest poll shows Donald Trump has hit a record

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 2>high approval rating amid the tariff turmoil. The new Daily

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<v Speaker 2>Mail Jail Partner's polling was conducted between April ten and

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<v Speaker 2>a fourteen, and it shows the president's approval ratings sitting

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<v Speaker 2>at fifty four percent. Josh, what's really interesting here is

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 2>that Donald Trump remains most popular with young voters. Among

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 2>those aged eighteen to twenty nine, the president's approval rating

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 2>is sixty four percent, and it's in their fifties for

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 2>every other age group.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>Josh.

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<v Speaker 13>So, there's a few things that are very very interesting

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 13>about about those graphs and the data that we all

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 13>just saw there. So, going back to the to the

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 13>Trump baseline number there, he's currently at around fifty three

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 13>percent curt this poll. Even at his lowest point of

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 13>the second term thus far, he's at around forty nine percent.

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 13>Forty nine percent believe it or not, Riada in contemporary

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 13>American polling is actually very good as far as the

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 13>president's approval rating goes. I'm not sure that Donald Trump

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 13>reached forty nine percent really in his entire first term. Neither,

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 13>for that matter, de Barack Obama in his entire second term.

0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 13>Joe Biden definitely did not. We probably have not seen

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 13>presidential approval ratings this high since the very earliest days

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 13>of Barack Obama, prior to twenty ten, prior to Obamacare,

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 13>back when the country was still enraptured by these false

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 13>promises of hope and change. It's been a long time,

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 13>as the point there, So Donald Trump is clearly on

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 13>a high. People that are trying to tear him down,

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 13>that are saying that he's he's in a constitutional crisis

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 13>and that he's in a showdown of the courts. What's

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 13>going to happen with this El Salvadoran migrant there DEI

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 13>they're calling my racist as they would do there. The

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 13>American people aren't buying it. The American people have seen

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 13>this play before and when you cry wolf enough times rita,

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 13>which the Democrat media complex here in the United States

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 13>has been doing on and on and on and on

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 13>for the past decade, ever since Trump's to send down

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 13>the guilded Escalator a Trump Tower in the summer fifteen.

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 13>At some point, the American people are just gonna say enough,

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 13>I call your bluff. I don't buy it. That's what's

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 13>happening right now.

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And we've seen these poll numbers always be underreported anyhow,

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 2>which shocked me that it was still happening in twenty

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 2>twenty four, because we saw that in twenty sixteen, and

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 2>it was pretty concised throughout the twenty twenty four campaign

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 2>as well, where the reality did not match the polls.

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 2>The reality ended up being a lot better for Donald Trump,

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 2>and the bad news continues for the Democrats. Have a

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 2>listen to this shock poll result, This shook up CNN.

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<v Speaker 17>This to me is one of the most shocking pieces

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<v Speaker 17>of poll data that I truly, truthfully have seen this year,

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 17>maybe in any prior year. Really, yes, really, because I

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:25.880
<v Speaker 17>want you to take a look cares more about the

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<v Speaker 17>needs for people like you? You mentioned to Kate Paul,

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 17>and we got a tie.

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<v Speaker 16>Even after this terifar had already started split between Democrats

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 16>and Republicans on how people feel which party cares more

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 16>for needs of people like you?

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<v Speaker 17>And why is that so surprising? Because I want you

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<v Speaker 17>to take a look.

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<v Speaker 1>At prior years.

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<v Speaker 17>Democrats always lead on this question.

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 16>Back in twenty seventeen, before the twenty eighteen mid terms,

0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 16>thirteen point lead, twenty five, a twenty three point lead

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 16>for Democrats, nineteen ninety four, which was a big Republican year,

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 16>a nineteen point lead for Democrats, and now, all of

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 16>a sudden, a tie. All of a sudden, the Democrats,

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 16>who were the party of the people no more, no more,

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 16>We get a tie on this question, on a question

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 16>that has traditionally overwhelmingly been a Democratic advantage.

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 2>This is a stunning turnaround, Josh, and I think the

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 2>tariff policy, as unpopular as we are told it is,

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>might have something to do with that.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, it had a lot to do with that actually,

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:24.359
<v Speaker 13>because it is emblematic of Donald Trump's working class mentality there.

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 13>I mean, this is a man who has fundamentally reshaped

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 13>the Republican Party. And you know, people say that it's

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 13>Donald Trump's party. No, there's actually a very long historical

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 13>school of thought when it comes to this more national

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 13>as populous strand of conservatism. I think back actually as

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 13>far back as Benjamin Disraelied, the nineteenth century British prime minister.

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 13>He coined the term one nation conservatism. It's this idea

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 13>that the working class, in the middle class really is

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 13>that really of the country.

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:52.720
<v Speaker 1>For far too long, for far too long.

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 13>The Republican Party veered in a pro elite, pro wall

0:34:57.160 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 13>ste direction. They lost track of who they were. They

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 13>complete abandoned the very people that made this country grin

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 13>in the first place. Donald Trump is bringing it back there,

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 13>and his pro tariff, pro industrial policy measures I think

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 13>are very much part of the appeal. He recognizes that

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:14.839
<v Speaker 13>our economists are ruling elits. Both parts went way way

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:18.280
<v Speaker 13>way too far down the rabbit hole and maximizing vague

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 13>nostrums such as economic efficiency and consumer surplus. What about

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 13>the notion of manufacturing What about just making stuff there?

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 13>What about the fact that China has just taken all

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 13>of America's national security critical supply chain there? This stuff

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 13>actually matters a lot. Donald Trump's the guy to do it.

0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 13>They're he's the champion of the working class. And you

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 13>see right there in the CNN poll. You know Harry Enton.

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:39.239
<v Speaker 13>There is a CNN guy. I've known Harry since I

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 13>was eighteen years old.

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 1>We go way back.

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<v Speaker 13>Like I feel readA that Harry's trying to tell the

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<v Speaker 13>c and and audience a message there. I'm not sure

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 13>the CNN audience wants to listen to that message stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think when he brings them news like that,

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:55.799
<v Speaker 1>they just turn off. Now we talk about.

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Constitutional crisis, this, I think is the real constitutional crisis.

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Another Obama appointed judge, this time Indirat Taliwany, blocking the

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Trump administration from canceling a program introduced by Joe Biden

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 2>granted parole and the right to work to more than

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 2>five hundred thousand immigrants from our countries like Haiti and Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens next year.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh, What can the administration do about these activist judges

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 2>who are undermining the authority of the July elected president.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, there's a lot, frankly, that Congress and the president,

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<v Speaker 13>acting in tandem can do. Fortunately for Donald Trump, his

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 13>party Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, so if they

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:42.800
<v Speaker 13>actually wanted to, they could solve this prom essentially overnight.

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 13>So here are among the various things they could do.

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 13>You can, of course, get the ball rolling on judicial

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 13>impeachment if there is a truly rogue judge. Now then

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 13>really that would require a two thirds majority in the Senate,

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 13>so it's a bit of a long shot there. But

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 13>you could pass legislation Congress could pass, and the president

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 13>consigns law, such things as jurisdiction stripping legislation. Congress has

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 13>the ability, in our constitutional order to basically dictate what

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 13>types of cases federal judges can hear. If Congress wants

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 13>to say that, in a certain type of case, a

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 13>certain cause of action, the federal courts have no jurisdiction.

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:16.360
<v Speaker 13>It's only state courts and local courts that here it.

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 13>Congress can do that there. When it comes to some

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:22.800
<v Speaker 13>of these so called nationwide injunctions, which are lagrantly and

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:27.799
<v Speaker 13>frankly offensively unconstitutional, Congress could abolish that overnight tomorrow, Lane too,

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 13>Congress has full authority to detail what remedies a federal

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 13>court can issue and cannot issue. There And frankly, rita,

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 13>I mean, if the courts really ultimately do want to

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:40.080
<v Speaker 13>play this game, they really really want to go go

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 13>down there ultimately, ultimately, I think it's worth bearing in

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 13>minds in the Federals number seventy eight from Alexander Hamilton,

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 13>one of our great founding fathers. He famously said that

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 13>the judiciary is the least dangerous branch because it has

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:55.439
<v Speaker 13>neither force nor will, but merely judgment, and depends upon

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 13>the efficacy of the executive branch even for the enforcement

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 13>of its own judgements. I emphasized that lighter part there,

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 13>because it's something of a truism. The courts literally cannot

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 13>enforce their own orders. In fact, the mere fact that

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 13>egiicial opinion has been rendered in our system, it is

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 13>the persuasive ability of that opinion that controls whether the

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:16.920
<v Speaker 13>executive will enforce it. So at some point there, at

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 13>some point, frankly, their own hubos really could get the

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 13>better of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this is big news.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier today, New York Attorney General Letitia James, who was

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.799
<v Speaker 2>behind so much of the law fare against Donald Trump

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:34.760
<v Speaker 2>in New York, has now been referred herself for possible

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:39.280
<v Speaker 2>prosecution over allegations of mortgage of fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>What else can you tell me about this, Josh.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, this is pretty brand new stuff across the transm

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:49.920
<v Speaker 13>But it looks to me like Tiss James listed to

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 13>the Commonwealth of Virginia, the state of Virginia as her

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 13>primary residence back when she was applying for a mortgage

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 13>back in twenty twenty three. The problem is that Tiss

0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:00.399
<v Speaker 13>James has been the attorney general of New York State

0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:02.879
<v Speaker 13>for far longer than that there, So I mean square

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 13>that circle for me. How can you legally get away

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 13>with calling one state your primary residents try to get

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 13>a more favorable mortgage interest rate type loan and on

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 13>the other hand, you're the attorney general of a different

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.399
<v Speaker 13>state there. But you know, Rita, this is really nothing new.

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:22.360
<v Speaker 13>I mean Democrat, Democrat lawmakers, Democrat prosecutors, they played by

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.319
<v Speaker 13>an entirely different set of rules. I mean Tis James.

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 13>We all remember her for being front and center of

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 13>the lawfair, of the Democrat lawfair complex. They sprawling campaign

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:33.239
<v Speaker 13>to try to deprive Donald Trump of getting his second

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:33.880
<v Speaker 13>term in office.

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<v Speaker 9>There.

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 13>I think about Fannie Willis as well. Fannie Willis is

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.960
<v Speaker 13>in Atlanta, Georgia, Fuldon County, Georgia. Fannie Willis was on

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 13>the wrong side of the law as well. So many

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:45.280
<v Speaker 13>of these Democrat prosecutors Rita, they just flip their hands.

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.759
<v Speaker 13>They say, you know what, I am the lawyer here,

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 13>I'm the prosecutor.

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 6>Screw you.

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 13>I'm gonna make the rules here.

0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 5>You better come at me there.

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.040
<v Speaker 13>But you know what, the Trump doj is calling her

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 13>bluff in this case tis James because she could find

0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 13>herself on the wrong side of the law for good.

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 13>They'll depend on on which judge they draw there. But

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 13>I like what I see so far. I like the

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.360
<v Speaker 13>aggressiveness of the administration and bringing these charges.

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<v Speaker 2>A bit of irony given the cases she pursued against

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump, But there's got to be a reckoning for

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 2>some of these activist prosecutors. She launched her old campaign

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 2>on the premise of getting Trump. She wasn't even hiding

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 2>how she was going to politicize that office.

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 13>She literally ran in twenty eighteen for a trained general

0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:37.080
<v Speaker 13>of New York State on a platform of I don't

0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 13>like Donald Trump and I am going to get him

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 13>by any means necessary. There's there's actually kind of a

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 13>clever legal analogy here. So in the Constitution there is

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:48.839
<v Speaker 13>a prescription and there's a ban on what is called

0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 13>a bill of a tainder. A bill of attainder goes

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 13>back to the old English star chamber in like seventh

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 13>century England, and a bill of attainder was a king's

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:01.120
<v Speaker 13>rits or a parliamentary active legislation that would single out

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:04.760
<v Speaker 13>an individual by name, meaning it was not a general provision.

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:07.800
<v Speaker 13>It was just singlely a one person for sole exclusive

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 13>punishment there. So the analogy that I like to draw

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 13>is that when Tis James ran for office there, she

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 13>basically ran a bill of a tender political campaign. Now

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.560
<v Speaker 13>that's not necessarily illegal. I mean, we have a first moment.

0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:20.360
<v Speaker 13>You can say a lot of crazy stuff on the

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 13>campaign show. People frankly do it all the time there,

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 13>but it's morally repulsive. It's morally repulsive there, and it

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 13>says a lot about her character, frankly or lack thereof.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Hammah, thanks so much for your time tonight. Thank

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 1>you still to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Labor pledges millions more in Medicaid funding for lgbt QUI

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 2>A plus plus Australians.

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Stephanie Bastian joins me in next welcome back.

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Joining me now is Women's Forum Australia's head of Advocacy,

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Stephanie Bastian.

0:41:58.200 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Steph.

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<v Speaker 2>First, let's hear from Labor Our MP's Josh Burns, Peter Khalil,

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Cake Thwites and Jed Karney in this rather bizarre ad

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 2>where they tackle one of Australia's foremost issues, splurging ten

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 2>million dollars on training for primary care professionals to better

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 2>support lgbt QIA plus Australians.

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:21.920
<v Speaker 5>Come on, come on, what are you going to do it?

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Not now, mate, Not now?

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 5>All right, We got to let you go to your guess.

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Now we can make the announced a month for me. Sorry,

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:34.640
<v Speaker 1>you can actually pinpoint the second when it's hot. Rich

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:35.320
<v Speaker 1>in half.

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Now, a Labor government will invest ten million dollars in making.

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 10>Medicare stronger for lgb TIQA plus Australians.

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:47.880
<v Speaker 1>This is going to make such a big difference for

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 1>primary healthcare for people.

0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:49.720
<v Speaker 7>In the quick community.

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<v Speaker 4>Just builds on all work from our National Action Plan

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 4>and it's all about supporting the queer community.

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:54.879
<v Speaker 6>And we're really proud.

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 9>Only a labor government will deliver for LGBT i QA plus.

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<v Speaker 1>People ten million dollars more.

0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Stephanie, who knew enforcing pronouns was so expensive?

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:08.600
<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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<v Speaker 10>Absolutely? But also I'm in this government is as ideological

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:15.160
<v Speaker 10>as it is irresponsible. Part of this funding is going

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:20.920
<v Speaker 10>towards ensuring that medical professionals are meeting best practice. The

0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 10>voluntary accreditation program. We don't even know what best practice is.

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 10>There was a very damning judgment out last week. This

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:32.760
<v Speaker 10>video was made after, I might add where the judge

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 10>found that the key witness who helped draft the guidelines

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 10>of care for transgender diverse adolescents was ideological and an

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 10>activist rather than an independent witness. There was a little

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:50.320
<v Speaker 10>boy who was being medically transitioned, approved of hormones until

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:54.959
<v Speaker 10>his dad intervened, without a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. These

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:58.160
<v Speaker 10>practices that are going on are not best practice. And

0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 10>the fact that the governments put their head.

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<v Speaker 5>In the sand.

0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 10>Matt Butler has said that he hasn't read the judgment yet,

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 10>he hasn't provided any comment, but the fact that they're

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 10>now spending ten million dollars to invest in best practice

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:13.680
<v Speaker 10>shows that they do not care about the LGBTI community

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 10>at all and are not willing to look at the

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 10>facts to ensure they are actually receiving the best medical care.

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 2>And in that case, you mentioned that that poor child

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:26.440
<v Speaker 2>has been under the care of a gender clinic since

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the age of six. Just incredible that it was a

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:36.759
<v Speaker 2>devastating judgment and to have the relevant minister not familiarize.

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Himself with it is not good.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's turn our attention to the Riley Dennis versus a

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Kiraly Smith case. As we know, Dennis a transgender soccer player,

0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 2>so that's a biological male who identifies as female and

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:55.959
<v Speaker 2>plays with the Flying Bat's, a Sydney women's soccer team

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:59.920
<v Speaker 2>which has got five trans players. Riley Dennis is suie

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 2>being political advocate Curly Smith for alleged vilification. Let's listen

0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 2>to this report from skye us as a senior reporter.

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<v Speaker 15>Caroline Marcus, the transgender soccer player, is suing Caraly Smith,

0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:17.880
<v Speaker 15>alleging the political advocate villified her when she tweeted about

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:22.400
<v Speaker 15>the top goalscorer in the women's first grade. Miss Dennis

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 15>says the posts made her feel anxious, very upset, and

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 15>that there was now a risk to my and my

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 15>family's safety. Miss Smith refuses to back down.

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:34.479
<v Speaker 1>No one can change sex.

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:36.800
<v Speaker 5>Men are not women, and no man should be in

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:37.400
<v Speaker 5>women's sport.

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 15>Miss Smith's legal team argues YouTube videos Riley Dennis made

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:44.960
<v Speaker 15>about trans issues makes her an activist.

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 13>Hey, everyone, today, I want to talk about why I,

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:49.240
<v Speaker 13>as a queer person, support Muslims.

0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 15>It's all fair game for an activist to be taken

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 15>head on by my client. I would not describe myself

0:45:56.480 --> 0:46:00.320
<v Speaker 15>as an activist, Miss Dennis said, some of them what

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:03.520
<v Speaker 15>seemed to be a shield waiting for her to leave

0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 15>the court.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you still feel in fear.

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:08.880
<v Speaker 15>For your safety, in your family's safety, Riley.

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>This intimidation and harassment our way.

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<v Speaker 11>Move out of our way.

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<v Speaker 1>Harassment, Get out of our way, This intimidation, harassment, Get

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<v Speaker 1>out of our way. Think pushing us is not intimidation.

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<v Speaker 6>Get out of that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, dear MEA decision is expected to be handed down

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<v Speaker 2>in July, Stephanie, But it's often the case with these actions,

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<v Speaker 2>the process itself is almost a punishment.

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<v Speaker 1>What more can you tell me about this case? Well, reader.

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<v Speaker 10>I actually attended this case with my colleague, colleague Rachel Wong,

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<v Speaker 10>and to be honest, the one thought that really went

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<v Speaker 10>through my mind sitting in the courtroom was witch trials.

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<v Speaker 10>Listening to Curly smith By cross examined by Riley Dennis's

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<v Speaker 10>lawyers trying to make her advocacy fit into some sort

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<v Speaker 10>of vilification was really disheartening.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's you're absolutely correct.

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<v Speaker 10>The punishment is the process of going through court.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a lot.

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<v Speaker 10>Resting on this judgment and I think that if the

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<v Speaker 10>judge finds against Kurali, there's going to be an avalanche

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<v Speaker 10>of women speaking at about sex base rights. There are

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<v Speaker 10>safety risks that she has mentioned, there's fairness, there's a

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<v Speaker 10>range of issues that really need discussion, and women like

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<v Speaker 10>kurally A being silenced by the court process.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's infuriating, it is and it's absolutely disheartening

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<v Speaker 2>to see both sides of politics side with the activist.

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<v Speaker 1>Class when it comes to this issue. It seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be in one of.

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<v Speaker 2>Those eighty twenty issues and the eighty percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>population is not represented by the mainstream parties.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen a shift in that in the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen a shift in the US, Scandinavia, but Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>Stephanie seems to be just trapped in some backward notion

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<v Speaker 2>that anybody who challenges this activist movement has to be punished.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean there was even heartening news across the ditch

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<v Speaker 10>in New Zealand where the healthcare system is now going

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<v Speaker 10>to refer to women as biological women. That's a government mandate.

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<v Speaker 10>It's really really frustrating that the current neither party have

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<v Speaker 10>come to the table on this. I guarantee there are

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<v Speaker 10>women and families and girls in every suburb across the

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<v Speaker 10>country who would really like a resolution on this and

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<v Speaker 10>to have their sex based rights reinstated.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, it is this time we've had some courage from

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<v Speaker 2>our politicians to take a stand for women.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a woman's rights issue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's clear there's not much doubt about who's losing out

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<v Speaker 2>with this trans movement and the excesses of that movement

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<v Speaker 2>and what it's demanding. Sephanie Bastian, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for your time tonight, and that's it from me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you at eleven tomorrow night. Up next, it's

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<v Speaker 1>Newsnight