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Speaker 1: On Scotland's Ostrodia. This is the Wider Panalty Show. Good

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Speaker 1: evening and welcome to the Rita Paney Show.

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Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, a Labor Party linked climate charity receiving

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Speaker 2: funding from firms embroiled in slave labor allegations in China.

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Speaker 2: Adam Crichton will be here to discuss that and much more.

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Speaker 1: Labor pledges millions more in.

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Speaker 2: Medicare funding for lgbt Qia plus Australians.

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Speaker 1: Stephanie Bastian has the details.

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Speaker 2: We'll have advertising guru Richard Ralph Smith here to analyze

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Speaker 2: the good, the bad and the ugly output of the

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Speaker 2: major parties. And the Great Josh Hammer will have the

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Speaker 2: latest from the US right after left He's losing it.

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Speaker 2: And tonight we feature Joe Biden. Yes he's back.

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Speaker 3: The parking lot and I had never seen I had

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Speaker 3: never seen hardly any black people and Scranton.

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Speaker 2: At the time when I but first Australia's plummeting birth rates,

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Speaker 2: an issue that is being ignored by Labor and the

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Speaker 2: Coalition despite the enormous impact it has on our country,

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Speaker 2: it's demographics and its long term economic health. The Albanezi

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Speaker 2: government's latest budget projected that Australia's birth rate will four

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Speaker 2: to one point four this financial out. That's well below

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Speaker 2: the rate of two point one. The ABS says we

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Speaker 2: need to maintain a stable population and now former Treasurer

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Speaker 2: Repetic Costello, who famously gave out three thousand dollars baby

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Speaker 2: bonuses in his twenty two thousand and two budget, is

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Speaker 2: warning that productivity is about to crash further. He told

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Speaker 2: The Australian we are facing stronger headwinds in the future

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Speaker 2: with fertility decline and an increase in the age dependency ratio.

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Speaker 2: That means all other things being equal, productivity growth will

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Speaker 2: be less. Joining me now for more on this, senior

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Speaker 2: fellow and Chief Economists at the Institute of.

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Speaker 1: Public Affairs, Adam Crichton. Adam, we have.

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Speaker 2: Lots of policies aimed at young people in this election,

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Speaker 2: a lot of focus on first home buyers, but really

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Speaker 2: nothing on this very crucial issue, and it.

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Speaker 1: Speaks about so much.

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Speaker 2: It speaks about all sorts of societal issues as well

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Speaker 2: as economic issues.

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Speaker 4: Well, certainly, one of the reasons why I think young

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Speaker 4: couples are not having children is because of two high

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Speaker 4: house prices and yet the housing policies that have been

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Speaker 4: even more. So far from having no policies on the issue,

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Speaker 4: the policies are actually bad for the issue. It's you know,

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Speaker 4: it is a glaring emission that there's nothing nothing being

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Speaker 4: said on either side of politics about this serious issue.

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Speaker 4: One point four is seriously low, and I would say

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Speaker 4: it's actually worse than that if you look at the

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Speaker 1: So often talk about record low.

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Speaker 4: So often it's migrant communities who have a lot of children.

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Speaker 4: So the native born communities is having even less.

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Speaker 5: Than one point four.

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Speaker 4: And the problem in this country is we've just relied

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Speaker 4: on immigrant for so long, mass immigration. You know, we

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Speaker 4: had one point two million people come into this country

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Speaker 4: in net terms in just three years from twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: two to now, and so no one's looking at this.

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Speaker 4: So if we slow the immigration down, we're going to

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Speaker 4: notice the birth rate effect much much more. We could

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Speaker 4: get creative like hungry for instance, where where I think

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Speaker 4: recently there's a law change there that if a woman

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Speaker 4: has four kids, she never pays income tax again.

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Speaker 5: So that's a creative solution that may or may not work.

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Speaker 4: But you know, but we should note that governments around

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Speaker 4: the world have tried throwing money at families to.

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Speaker 5: Have children, and it's very very hard. I mean the

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Speaker 5: Japanese government case in point. I mean the birth rate

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Speaker 4: Shrinking very fast, and they spend a fortune on trying

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Speaker 5: To get women to have children. I mean some of

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Speaker 5: it is psychological.

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Speaker 4: We've got so much, you know, so much climate change

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Speaker 4: propaganda that some very misled young people are scared to

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Speaker 5: So that's another issue to absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I think it speaks about all sorts of issues in

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Speaker 2: a country when people don't want to have kids. I

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Speaker 2: think it's even deeper than just housing cost and cost

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Speaker 1: And you're right about Hungary.

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Speaker 2: They are instituted a raft of policies and they are working.

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Speaker 2: They have seen their birth rate booth, and you don't

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Speaker 1: They're not that.

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Speaker 2: You can have just one child as a woman and

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Speaker 2: tax rate that you're charged, and you have two kids

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Speaker 2: fifty percent discounts, So there's a real incentive. But I

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Speaker 2: think Australia we just rely on immigration, and we don't

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Speaker 4: Look, there's a crazy belief out there too that the

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Speaker 4: world's population is spiring out of control. Well, actually, as

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk always points out, it's actually going to be

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Speaker 5: Of control in a downward direction pretty soon. Birth rates

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Speaker 5: are falling everywhere, so even China. We are sharing it

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Speaker 5: in China as well.

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Speaker 1: It's ont due today.

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Speaker 2: One Child policy is now seeing the impact of that,

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be devastating for them in the

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Speaker 2: medium term. Now, let's talk about the Smart Energy sol

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Speaker 2: a green lobby group with links to labor and this

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Speaker 2: We've got a senior advisor who's at Simon Holmes the Court.

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Speaker 6: You've heard of him.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Smart Energy Council has been court accepting thousands

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Speaker 2: of dollars in funding from renewable energy companies accused of

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Speaker 2: using Wiga slave labor in China. One of those firms

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Speaker 2: is a major Chinese solar panel manufacturer, Jinko Solar.

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Speaker 1: And Simon Homes.

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Speaker 2: The Court actually attended a tour of one of their

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Speaker 2: Chinese factories back in twenty nineteen as part of a

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Speaker 2: delegation led by the Smart Energy Council. The council has

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Speaker 2: a track record of donating to the ALP and has

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Speaker 2: run campaigns telling voters to bin the Coalition. It is

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Speaker 2: responsible for the disputed claim that the opposition's nuclear policy

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Speaker 2: will cost six.

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Speaker 1: Hundred billion Adam.

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Speaker 2: I struggle to understand how this mob, this group enjoys

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Speaker 2: charity status.

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Speaker 4: Well, they always give themselves fancy names, smart energy Councils,

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Speaker 4: to give the illusion of, you know, that it's bipartisan,

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Speaker 4: when it's clearly not.

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Speaker 5: These are just highly political outfits.

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Speaker 4: The six hundred billion dollar figure, Actually the coalition should

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Speaker 5: I mean, where does it come from.

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Speaker 4: And let's face it, even if it's even if it's true,

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Speaker 4: at least we would get some nuclear powers, yes, for

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Speaker 4: the six hundred rather than rather than borrowing five hundred

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Speaker 5: But you know, the point here.

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Speaker 4: From this that I drew it was just the extraordinary

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Speaker 4: hypocrisy on the left with climate change, that you've got

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Speaker 4: this slave labor being used to you know, to build

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Speaker 4: the solar panels. And these are the same people who

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Speaker 4: highest workplace standards, So you know, just just extraordinary hypocrisy.

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Speaker 5: I would say.

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Speaker 2: Now, the US is actively considering fifteen bespoke agreements with

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Speaker 2: fifteen unnamed countries, and the Wall Street Journal is reporting

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Speaker 2: that Treasury Scott Treasury Secretary of Scott percent is prioritizing

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Speaker 2: quick agreements with South Korea, Kingdom and Australia, prioritizing deals

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Speaker 2: with the US's strongest allies. Meanwhile, Adam, a top Chinese official,

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Speaker 2: has launched an extraordinary attack against President Trump and America

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Speaker 2: over the decision to slap a one hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: He called the move brutally unreasonable.

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Speaker 2: They're senior Chinese official who overseas Hong Kong and Macau said,

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Speaker 2: the US isn't after our tariffs, but our very survival.

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Speaker 1: Let those peasants in the un hited States whale in

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Speaker 1: front of the.

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Speaker 2: Five thousand years of Chinese civilization.

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Speaker 1: Goodness, may China's.

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Speaker 2: Not used to a powerful country standing up time.

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Speaker 5: I certainly not. Look, I mean, I'm not surprised that

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Speaker 4: I mean, some of the language it's quite amusing, but

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Speaker 4: we've got, you know, we have a bullfight here between

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Speaker 4: the two biggest balls in the world. So it's you know,

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Speaker 4: it could get get quite agro. Let's hope it never

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Speaker 4: gets to a military point. But on the trade front,

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Speaker 4: there's going to be a lot of tariffs slapped on

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Speaker 4: either side and hopefully Australia Australia comes out of it

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Speaker 4: okay in the end. But it's worth pointing out too,

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Speaker 4: you know, kind of your earlier story there about the

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Speaker 5: Agreement with the US. I mean, we've done reasonably well

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Speaker 5: out of this.

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Speaker 4: There's tariffs of the tariffs have gone on all countries

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Speaker 4: and we've just got ten percent, and that may even

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Speaker 4: be lessened based on your story earlier.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I think there's been a huge hysterical

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Speaker 5: reaction about this policiciller and it's been completely over the top.

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Speaker 2: That's waiting to say, completely over the top, particularly when

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Speaker 2: you look at other nations who've got tariffs against our products.

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Speaker 1: And there seems to be a little objection there.

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Speaker 5: And so China going to stop you. I mean, China

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Speaker 5: basically blockaded.

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Speaker 4: Our coal for ages because we are any of our

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Speaker 5: Please, ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: And also the way you're seeing people siding with this

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Speaker 2: their religious leaves, that a slave labor, that Ain has

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Speaker 2: a political dissidents who are facing the death penalty. Well,

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Speaker 2: and you've got people who supposedly value human rights siding

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Speaker 5: It's very telling.

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Speaker 4: I think they actually do like the Chinese model of

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Speaker 5: They don't say it, and that's why they don't attack them.

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Speaker 4: They quite like the total aiteners and they think it's efficient,

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Speaker 4: they think it works.

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Speaker 5: They don't like the US idea of freedom. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 5: the real issue.

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Speaker 2: Now it's time to check in on the major party's

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Speaker 2: social media campaigns. This week, they've been spooking their new

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Speaker 2: housing policies. Let's have a look at what Labour put

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Speaker 2: up on their Instagram page.

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Speaker 7: I feel like our generation will actually be able to

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Speaker 7: buy our own homes now. I just saw Albo's announcement

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Speaker 7: that all first home buyers will only need a five

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Speaker 7: percent deposit, and Labour's going to build one hundred thousand

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Speaker 7: new homes just for first home buys that property investors

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Speaker 7: won't be able to bit on.

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Speaker 1: And we had this from the Libs.

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Speaker 8: Three hundred and forty homes are complete and as these

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Speaker 8: have been acquired and conversion into social and affordable housing.

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Speaker 5: So do you say acquired and converted?

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's my understanding.

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Speaker 5: What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Well then yeah, no, you go.

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Speaker 6: I'll just go past to my team.

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Speaker 5: How many of the three forty were built and how

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Speaker 5: many were required?

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see if we can provide you with that answer.

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Speaker 9: We can't afford three more years of labor authorized by

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Speaker 2: Adam, I'll be speaking to an advertising expert shortly about

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Speaker 2: how the major parties are faring.

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Speaker 1: They matter.

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Speaker 9: We've just been out doing being in Merrickville and it

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Speaker 10: Balestine is an election issue, but so is the cost

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Speaker 4: Look, that was the first takeaway there for me. I

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Speaker 5: So they're just a highly political effort in organization.

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Speaker 4: Really, the climate is less and less an issue with

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Speaker 4: the other two ads. Well, I think the young woman

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Speaker 2: Because so many on the left do want house prices

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Speaker 5: It's very true.

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Speaker 4: I'm instantly looking back through history. The biggest depressions are

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Speaker 5: Going up every year. As you say, everyone's borrowed fast

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Speaker 1: Adam Crush and thank you for your time tonight.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Joining me now is DPR and co advertising co

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Speaker 2: founder Richard Ralph Smith. Richard, We're going to assess the

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Speaker 1: Let's start with labor.

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Speaker 2: Many of their ads have targeted Peter Dutton specifically, and

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Speaker 2: there is always a scare campaign around cuts.

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Speaker 11: The money for Peter dutton six hundred billion dollar nuclear

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Speaker 5: So under Dutton, your health costs go up. Under Duttin,

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Speaker 11: Underdutton, your HEXTEP childcare medicines takee thees go up.

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Speaker 5: He cuts you pay authorized p eRx and ALP camera.

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Speaker 2: People say they don't like negative ads, but Richard negative ads,

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Speaker 2: particularly political negative ads, are enormously effective. They've had other

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Speaker 1: How effective are they?

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Speaker 8: They are effective, and they're quite easy. It's easy to

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Speaker 8: do a negative ad. It's easy to sort of get

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Speaker 8: This one's actually had quite a bit of an agement online.

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Speaker 8: It's probably a labour's most effective scare ad. And I

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Speaker 8: think the reason is that people don't average voters do

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Speaker 8: not understand the cost structures of nuclear energy, or energy

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Speaker 5: For that matter.

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Speaker 8: So raising the specter of cost and then itemizing all

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Speaker 8: for paying for it is a really really effective scare campaign.

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Speaker 2: That Yeah, I want to show you this Greens ad.

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Speaker 2: They have been very clear with their messaging. They're basically saying,

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Speaker 2: we want to keep Dutton out of office and we

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Speaker 10: If you're worried about the cost of living, housing, more

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Speaker 7: We can't keep voting for the same two parties and

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Speaker 1: The Greens want change.

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Speaker 5: If you need dental and mental health into medicare.

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Speaker 12: Are rent freeze, cheaper groceries?

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Speaker 13: And do you want to make big corporations pay their

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Speaker 1: We're with you.

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Speaker 13: The Greens are within reach of winning new seats across

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Speaker 5: We'll keep Dutton out and get labor to acts.

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Speaker 2: I guess to be surprised that it's overwhoingly young people

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Speaker 1: That's who they target.

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Speaker 2: They've got a lot of policies that appeal to what

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Speaker 2: I would call low information voters, whether you just get

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Speaker 2: everything for free with really no thought of who's paying

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Speaker 5: So magic pudding.

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Speaker 1: It is a bit of a magic pudding. But does

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Speaker 5: Look, I think we'll see.

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Speaker 8: I think the most likely outcome we are going to

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 8: So what's interesting in that ad as well is that

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Speaker 8: really really clear, we're going to keep Dutton out and

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Speaker 8: we're going to drag labor to the left. So they're

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Speaker 2: How do you strike that balance tween being able to

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Speaker 2: got to be getting rid of albol, getting rid of Dutton.

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Speaker 1: It's how do you manage that when you've got limited

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Speaker 8: Well, the first thing is you don't try to do

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Speaker 8: everything right. You need to create an overarching narrative that

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Speaker 8: repeat with all of these different proof points. You can

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Speaker 8: put positive ads, negative ads under it, and people just

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Speaker 8: buy it. I mean, everybody knew in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 8: Yes we can for Obama, everybody knows make America great again.

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Speaker 8: If you ask the average liberal or labor voter what

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, And we saw that also with Tony Abbott's landslide victory,

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Speaker 2: It was clear and it was a clear point of differentiation.

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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the Libs now.

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Speaker 1: They've put out a rap song.

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Speaker 6: You've got to bring them braces down.

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Speaker 11: This is what we know because our bull's gotta leave,

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Speaker 11: owbull's gotta leave.

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Speaker 2: Are they trying to make elbow look cool? Because if

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Speaker 2: I struggle to understand what angle they're going for with that.

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Speaker 8: I know, could the campaign get any dumber? Look, there

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, not everyone on TikTok is a tully,

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Speaker 8: Not everyone on TikTok is eighteen and some eighten year

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Speaker 8: one side of the coin. The other side of the coin,

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Speaker 8: it's like rage bait. You know, are people going to

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Speaker 5: So I don't think I think it's de branding for

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Speaker 8: Looks like the Liberal Party that people trust at all.

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Speaker 8: For those who do trust the Liberal Party at de

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Speaker 12: No.

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Speaker 2: And I think that notion that any publicity is good

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Speaker 1: Is a very very dangerous.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That is I think something advertisers say when they come

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Speaker 1: They have also put out this effort they'll.

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Speaker 5: Be better off under a labor government than they will.

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Speaker 1: Be really done. Has he delivered more housing?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 1: Has he made things cheaper as he fixed the cost

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Speaker 6: Nah?

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Speaker 5: Has he made the country safer?

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Speaker 1: Nah? Didn't he spend nearly half a billion on the police?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: He did that.

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Speaker 15: We can't afford three more years of labor authorized by

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Speaker 1: What do you think about that ad? Does it pass

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Speaker 8: I was going to say it's a literal pub test.

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Speaker 8: It's actually had some decent online engagement. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit boring, that's it. Richard Ralph Smith,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Thank you, reader

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Speaker 1: Losing it and he's back the puppet President.

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Speaker 2: an incoherent attack against President Donald Trump. It was a mess, folks,

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Speaker 2: a train wreck, just like his presidency. It started badly

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Speaker 2: and it got worse. Let's look at Biden here, ignoring

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Speaker 2: the blaring music and just launching into his.

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Speaker 6: Speech about rain old girl.

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Speaker 9: We deserve.

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Speaker 2: Oh that had to abruptly cut the music because he

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Speaker 2: wasn't stopping, folks.

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Speaker 1: He was going to keep talking even though no one

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Speaker 1: could hear him.

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Speaker 6: Bless uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, perhaps they should have kept the music coming.

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Speaker 3: That's what you're all about. That's what that's what, That's

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Speaker 3: what the legislation is about. It's about dignity, simple dignity. Everyone.

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Speaker 3: Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity, regardless of the standard,

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Speaker 3: regardless of economics, regardless of who they are making sure

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Speaker 3: of the more than sixty million Americans were living with disabilities,

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Speaker 3: are treating with dignity.

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Speaker 5: Is that who we are as Americans.

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Speaker 3: That's what it's about.

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Speaker 1: I mean it.

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Speaker 2: It was classic Joe Biden, gibberish, belly, coherent sentences, bursts

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Speaker 2: of anger and shouting and whatever.

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Speaker 14: This is.

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Speaker 1: The parking lot.

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Speaker 3: And I had never seen I had never seen hardly

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Speaker 3: any black people scanting at the time when I and

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Speaker 3: I was only going on the fourth grade. And I

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Speaker 3: remember seeing the kids going by at the time called

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Speaker 3: colored kids on a bus going by.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Joe, you know, Biden's cognitive decline is nothing new.

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Speaker 2: It was evident even before he became president.

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Speaker 14: Remember this got hairy legs, that turn that that that

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Speaker 14: that that turn about, blonde in the sun and The

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Speaker 14: kids used to come up and reach in the pool

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Speaker 14: and rub my leg down.

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Speaker 3: So it was training that. Watch the hair come back

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Speaker 3: up again.

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Speaker 16: They look at it.

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Speaker 15: So I learned about roaches.

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Speaker 17: I learned about kids jumping on my lap, and I

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Speaker 17: love kids jumping on my lap.

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Speaker 1: He learnt about roaches. He learned about kids jumping.

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Speaker 2: On his lap, and he loves kids jumping on his lap.

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Speaker 2: That was before he was president. Never forget how the

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Speaker 2: leftist media covered up that man's obvious mental decline. Now,

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Speaker 2: talking about mental decline, let's check in with Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 2: who was at Coachella.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the millionaire socialist with three houses.

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Speaker 2: Thought a music festival was the perfect place for this

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Speaker 2: anti Trump sermon.

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Speaker 1: We need you to stand up to fight for justice.

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Speaker 15: He thinks stay climate change.

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Speaker 5: It's a hopes.

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Speaker 1: He is dangerously wrong.

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Speaker 15: And you and I, you and I are going to

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Speaker 15: have to stand up to the bustle f.

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Speaker 13: Your industry and tell them to stop destroying this flat.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure the drugged upper yuppies at Coachella really

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Speaker 2: appreciated that rant and everything at that music festival is

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Speaker 2: actually dependent on fossil fuels, including the jets. The rich

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Speaker 2: and famous take to perform more attend the festival. There

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Speaker 2: was plenty more lefties losing it at Coachella. Here is

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Speaker 2: Kneecap Kneecap. Google tells me it's a Irish hip hop group,

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Speaker 2: as if that's a thing they had the drugged up Yup.

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Speaker 2: He is in California singing this delightful tune about Margaret Thatcher.

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Speaker 6: If anybody was.

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Speaker 1: Well, Margaret Fletcher herself.

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Speaker 6: Damn.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, Yes, the greatest formal leta we have

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Speaker 2: seen and died at the age of eighty seven, twelve

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Speaker 2: years ago, and these sad losers are still chanting about it.

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Speaker 1: Ding up the Coachella lunacy.

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Speaker 2: Our middle aged MUSCAA wearing pop rockers Green Day, who

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Speaker 2: have taken a break from their pro Palestinian activism to

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Speaker 2: again rail against Mega.

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Speaker 1: Oh maybe I'm.

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Speaker 5: Not of the Mega Chen.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: It seemed like only last week we were laughing at

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Speaker 2: Democrat Cory Booker's stunt of talking for twenty four hours straight.

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Speaker 1: We wondered whether he was wearing an adult nappy. Those

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Speaker 1: questions were never answered.

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Speaker 2: And bless him, Corey Booker is back now and he's

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Speaker 2: not only providing lolls but hugs.

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Speaker 10: What are we going to do about protecting LGBTQ rates

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Speaker 10: and trans rates for those who don't have a voice

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Speaker 10: that could speak up.

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Speaker 5: This is not a costume. This is who I am,

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Speaker 5: and I am not about to let him tell me

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Speaker 5: who I am.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, thank you for coming.

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Speaker 5: So so, first of all, can I have a hug?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we've already spoken about the insufferable, self delighted, rich

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Speaker 2: and famous ladies who went into space for a few.

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Speaker 1: Minutes, but they keep talking about it, so I've got

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Speaker 1: to cover it. Here is Katy Perry.

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Speaker 12: I hope they can see the unity that we modeled

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Speaker 12: and replicate that and understand that we weren't just taking

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Speaker 12: up space. We were making space for the future. And

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Speaker 12: for me, like Gil said, this wasn't a ride, it

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Speaker 12: wasn't a destination. It was a journey and it was

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Speaker 12: a supernatural one.

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Speaker 2: And here is Oprah's bestie, Gail King, talking about the

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Speaker 2: backlash to all the hyperbole we've heard from these ladies.

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Speaker 18: This is what bothers me because I've certainly read some

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Speaker 18: of the things online coming from people that I know

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Speaker 18: that I like, that I consider friends. Space is not

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Speaker 18: an either or, it's a both and and because you

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Speaker 18: do something in space doesn't mean you're tea anything away

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Speaker 18: from Earth. And what you're doing in space is trying

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Speaker 18: to make things better here on Earth.

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Speaker 2: And Gail King claims that these overprivileged women were victims

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Speaker 2: of sexism. How else can you explain this stunt being

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Speaker 2: called frivolous?

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Speaker 18: What do you think when people say, oh, it's frivolous.

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Speaker 18: Number one, they call it a ride, which I find

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Speaker 18: very irritating because they never say men went for a ride.

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Speaker 18: What do you say to people who think that this

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Speaker 18: was frivolous or just to ride it? You know, I

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Speaker 18: think the message that it sends is very, very powerful.

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Speaker 2: Laurence Sanchez, whose fiance Jeff owns the rocket, while she

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Speaker 2: was reduced to tears by the experience.

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Speaker 1: And six women just did the same flight that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she didn't.

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Speaker 1: I just want to keep hugging you.

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Speaker 15: It's really cool.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, And I hope that more people get to see

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Speaker 18: this because I feel I don't even.

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Speaker 6: Know how much it's going to change me.

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Speaker 2: And if you thought that was bad, watch this performance

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Speaker 2: from Katy Perry, who joining me now is Newsweek's Senior

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Speaker 2: editor at Large and Article three projects senior Council Josh Hammer.

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Speaker 1: Josh, just how insufferable and self delighted can these ladies be?

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Speaker 2: We had less carry on when real astronauts stranded in

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Speaker 2: space for months were rescued recently by SpaceX. These over

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Speaker 2: privileged ladies spent a total of eleven minutes floating around

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Speaker 2: in their designer spacesuits.

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Speaker 1: And now they think it's going to bring about world peace.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, reader, you know, it kind of reminds me a

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Speaker 13: little bit of the old John Lennon's song Imagine, otherwise

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Speaker 13: known as the as the worst song ever written. I mean,

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Speaker 13: John Lennon had this song back in the nineteen seventies

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Speaker 13: after the breakup of the Beatles, that it's going to

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Speaker 13: be a world with no borders, no religion, just Kumbai

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Speaker 13: ya world peace there, you know, and apparently Katy Perry

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Speaker 13: here and they and the ladies circumnavigating the globe in

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Speaker 13: the year twenty twenty five are trying to do their

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Speaker 13: best John Lennon Imagine impression there. But I mean, what

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Speaker 13: a bunch of of just over indulgent, pure exhibitionism. I mean,

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Speaker 13: that really is the world that comes to mind here.

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Speaker 13: I mean, I think this is obviously a stunt. It

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Speaker 13: is transparently a stunt. These people are not going into

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Speaker 13: space for any other reason other than to kind of

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Speaker 13: raise their fist and say raw raw feminism. World beside.

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Speaker 13: I mean the message frankly, like, I don't even really

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Speaker 13: understand exactly what the purpose of this stunt was. I mean,

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Speaker 13: it's kind of like a United Nations like hold hands

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Speaker 13: together kumbayah thing. It's also partially like a feminism thing.

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Speaker 13: But frankly, I mean when people do this in the

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Speaker 13: name of feminism, they actually set real feminism and real

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Speaker 13: genuine equality. The sex is backwards there, because I mean,

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Speaker 13: if this is what people think of when they think

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Speaker 13: of feminisms, someone who gets dolled up and they put

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Speaker 13: on the designer suits and the makeup. I mean Katy

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Speaker 13: Perry clearly spending more time actually getting her makeup ready

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Speaker 13: than actually going up into the atmosphere, right. I mean,

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Speaker 13: I mean people see this and they're like, Okay, this

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Speaker 13: is feminists, I'm going to pose it. So they're undermining

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Speaker 13: the very cause they purport a champion. They're ultimately all

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Speaker 13: sorts of these stunts. This is the reason, reader, why

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Speaker 13: I think the left is just is just not in

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Speaker 13: a good place in the United States, because it is

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Speaker 13: all pure symbolism. It is all virtue singling. That's the

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Speaker 13: entire edifice, that's the entire purpose. Super nuts of all, frankly,

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Speaker 13: all of all they believe these.

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Speaker 2: Days, you're so right, is just so self delighted, so

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Speaker 2: divorced from reality. And they probably did spend a great

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Speaker 2: deal more time on their hair and makeup than they

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Speaker 2: actually did in space.

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Speaker 1: They were up there only for eleven minutes. Now, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be very happy with the poll released overnight.

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Speaker 2: After a poor showing on a CBS poll a day earlier,

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Speaker 2: this latest poll shows Donald Trump has hit a record

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Speaker 2: high approval rating amid the tariff turmoil. The new Daily

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Speaker 2: Mail Jail Partner's polling was conducted between April ten and

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Speaker 2: a fourteen, and it shows the president's approval ratings sitting

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Speaker 2: at fifty four percent. Josh, what's really interesting here is

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Speaker 2: that Donald Trump remains most popular with young voters. Among

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Speaker 2: those aged eighteen to twenty nine, the president's approval rating

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Speaker 2: is sixty four percent, and it's in their fifties for

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Speaker 2: every other age group.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty incredible.

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Speaker 5: Josh.

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Speaker 13: So, there's a few things that are very very interesting

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Speaker 13: about about those graphs and the data that we all

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Speaker 13: just saw there. So, going back to the to the

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Speaker 13: Trump baseline number there, he's currently at around fifty three

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Speaker 13: percent curt this poll. Even at his lowest point of

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Speaker 13: the second term thus far, he's at around forty nine percent.

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Speaker 13: Forty nine percent believe it or not, Riada in contemporary

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Speaker 13: American polling is actually very good as far as the

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Speaker 13: president's approval rating goes. I'm not sure that Donald Trump

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Speaker 13: reached forty nine percent really in his entire first term. Neither,

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Speaker 13: for that matter, de Barack Obama in his entire second term.

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Speaker 13: Joe Biden definitely did not. We probably have not seen

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Speaker 13: presidential approval ratings this high since the very earliest days

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Speaker 13: of Barack Obama, prior to twenty ten, prior to Obamacare,

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Speaker 13: back when the country was still enraptured by these false

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Speaker 13: promises of hope and change. It's been a long time,

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Speaker 13: as the point there, So Donald Trump is clearly on

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Speaker 13: a high. People that are trying to tear him down,

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Speaker 13: that are saying that he's he's in a constitutional crisis

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Speaker 13: and that he's in a showdown of the courts. What's

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Speaker 13: going to happen with this El Salvadoran migrant there DEI

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Speaker 13: they're calling my racist as they would do there. The

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Speaker 13: American people aren't buying it. The American people have seen

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Speaker 13: this play before and when you cry wolf enough times rita,

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Speaker 13: which the Democrat media complex here in the United States

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Speaker 13: has been doing on and on and on and on

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Speaker 13: for the past decade, ever since Trump's to send down

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Speaker 13: the guilded Escalator a Trump Tower in the summer fifteen.

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Speaker 13: At some point, the American people are just gonna say enough,

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Speaker 13: I call your bluff. I don't buy it. That's what's

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Speaker 13: happening right now.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And we've seen these poll numbers always be underreported anyhow,

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Speaker 2: which shocked me that it was still happening in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, because we saw that in twenty sixteen, and

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Speaker 2: it was pretty concised throughout the twenty twenty four campaign

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Speaker 2: as well, where the reality did not match the polls.

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Speaker 2: The reality ended up being a lot better for Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: and the bad news continues for the Democrats. Have a

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Speaker 2: listen to this shock poll result, This shook up CNN.

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Speaker 17: This to me is one of the most shocking pieces

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Speaker 17: of poll data that I truly, truthfully have seen this year,

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Speaker 17: maybe in any prior year. Really, yes, really, because I

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Speaker 17: want you to take a look cares more about the

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Speaker 17: needs for people like you? You mentioned to Kate Paul,

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Speaker 17: and we got a tie.

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Speaker 16: Even after this terifar had already started split between Democrats

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Speaker 16: and Republicans on how people feel which party cares more

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Speaker 16: for needs of people like you?

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Speaker 17: And why is that so surprising? Because I want you

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Speaker 17: to take a look.

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Speaker 1: At prior years.

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Speaker 17: Democrats always lead on this question.

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Speaker 16: Back in twenty seventeen, before the twenty eighteen mid terms,

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Speaker 16: thirteen point lead, twenty five, a twenty three point lead

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Speaker 16: for Democrats, nineteen ninety four, which was a big Republican year,

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Speaker 16: a nineteen point lead for Democrats, and now, all of

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Speaker 16: a sudden, a tie. All of a sudden, the Democrats,

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Speaker 16: who were the party of the people no more, no more,

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Speaker 16: We get a tie on this question, on a question

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Speaker 16: that has traditionally overwhelmingly been a Democratic advantage.

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Speaker 2: This is a stunning turnaround, Josh, and I think the

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Speaker 2: tariff policy, as unpopular as we are told it is,

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Speaker 2: might have something to do with that.

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Speaker 13: Well, it had a lot to do with that actually,

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Speaker 13: because it is emblematic of Donald Trump's working class mentality there.

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Speaker 13: I mean, this is a man who has fundamentally reshaped

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Speaker 13: the Republican Party. And you know, people say that it's

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Speaker 13: Donald Trump's party. No, there's actually a very long historical

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Speaker 13: school of thought when it comes to this more national

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Speaker 13: as populous strand of conservatism. I think back actually as

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Speaker 13: far back as Benjamin Disraelied, the nineteenth century British prime minister.

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Speaker 13: He coined the term one nation conservatism. It's this idea

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Speaker 13: that the working class, in the middle class really is

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Speaker 13: that really of the country.

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Speaker 1: For far too long, for far too long.

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Speaker 13: The Republican Party veered in a pro elite, pro wall

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Speaker 13: ste direction. They lost track of who they were. They

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Speaker 13: complete abandoned the very people that made this country grin

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Speaker 13: in the first place. Donald Trump is bringing it back there,

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Speaker 13: and his pro tariff, pro industrial policy measures I think

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Speaker 13: are very much part of the appeal. He recognizes that

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Speaker 13: our economists are ruling elits. Both parts went way way

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Speaker 13: way too far down the rabbit hole and maximizing vague

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Speaker 13: nostrums such as economic efficiency and consumer surplus. What about

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Speaker 13: the notion of manufacturing What about just making stuff there?

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Speaker 13: What about the fact that China has just taken all

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Speaker 13: of America's national security critical supply chain there? This stuff

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Speaker 13: actually matters a lot. Donald Trump's the guy to do it.

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Speaker 13: They're he's the champion of the working class. And you

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Speaker 13: see right there in the CNN poll. You know Harry Enton.

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Speaker 13: There is a CNN guy. I've known Harry since I

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Speaker 13: was eighteen years old.

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Speaker 1: We go way back.

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Speaker 13: Like I feel readA that Harry's trying to tell the

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Speaker 13: c and and audience a message there. I'm not sure

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Speaker 13: the CNN audience wants to listen to that message stuff.

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Speaker 1: No, I think when he brings them news like that,

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Speaker 1: they just turn off. Now we talk about.

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Speaker 2: Constitutional crisis, this, I think is the real constitutional crisis.

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Speaker 2: Another Obama appointed judge, this time Indirat Taliwany, blocking the

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Speaker 2: Trump administration from canceling a program introduced by Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: granted parole and the right to work to more than

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Speaker 2: five hundred thousand immigrants from our countries like Haiti and Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: What happens next year.

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Speaker 2: Josh, What can the administration do about these activist judges

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Speaker 2: who are undermining the authority of the July elected president.

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Speaker 13: Well, there's a lot, frankly, that Congress and the president,

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Speaker 13: acting in tandem can do. Fortunately for Donald Trump, his

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Speaker 13: party Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, so if they

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Speaker 13: actually wanted to, they could solve this prom essentially overnight.

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Speaker 13: So here are among the various things they could do.

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Speaker 13: You can, of course, get the ball rolling on judicial

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Speaker 13: impeachment if there is a truly rogue judge. Now then

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Speaker 13: really that would require a two thirds majority in the Senate,

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Speaker 13: so it's a bit of a long shot there. But

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Speaker 13: you could pass legislation Congress could pass, and the president

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Speaker 13: consigns law, such things as jurisdiction stripping legislation. Congress has

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Speaker 13: the ability, in our constitutional order to basically dictate what

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Speaker 13: types of cases federal judges can hear. If Congress wants

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Speaker 13: to say that, in a certain type of case, a

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Speaker 13: certain cause of action, the federal courts have no jurisdiction.

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Speaker 13: It's only state courts and local courts that here it.

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Speaker 13: Congress can do that there. When it comes to some

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Speaker 13: of these so called nationwide injunctions, which are lagrantly and

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Speaker 13: frankly offensively unconstitutional, Congress could abolish that overnight tomorrow, Lane too,

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Speaker 13: Congress has full authority to detail what remedies a federal

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Speaker 13: court can issue and cannot issue. There And frankly, rita,

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Speaker 13: I mean, if the courts really ultimately do want to

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Speaker 13: play this game, they really really want to go go

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Speaker 13: down there ultimately, ultimately, I think it's worth bearing in

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Speaker 13: minds in the Federals number seventy eight from Alexander Hamilton,

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Speaker 13: one of our great founding fathers. He famously said that

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Speaker 13: the judiciary is the least dangerous branch because it has

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Speaker 13: neither force nor will, but merely judgment, and depends upon

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Speaker 13: the efficacy of the executive branch even for the enforcement

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Speaker 13: of its own judgements. I emphasized that lighter part there,

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Speaker 13: because it's something of a truism. The courts literally cannot

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Speaker 13: enforce their own orders. In fact, the mere fact that

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Speaker 13: egiicial opinion has been rendered in our system, it is

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Speaker 13: the persuasive ability of that opinion that controls whether the

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Speaker 13: executive will enforce it. So at some point there, at

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Speaker 13: some point, frankly, their own hubos really could get the

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Speaker 13: better of them.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is big news.

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Speaker 2: Earlier today, New York Attorney General Letitia James, who was

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Speaker 2: behind so much of the law fare against Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: in New York, has now been referred herself for possible

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Speaker 2: prosecution over allegations of mortgage of fraud.

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Speaker 1: What else can you tell me about this, Josh.

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Speaker 13: Well, this is pretty brand new stuff across the transm

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Speaker 13: But it looks to me like Tiss James listed to

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Speaker 13: the Commonwealth of Virginia, the state of Virginia as her

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Speaker 13: primary residence back when she was applying for a mortgage

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Speaker 13: back in twenty twenty three. The problem is that Tiss

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Speaker 13: James has been the attorney general of New York State

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Speaker 13: for far longer than that there, So I mean square

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Speaker 13: that circle for me. How can you legally get away

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Speaker 13: with calling one state your primary residents try to get

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Speaker 13: a more favorable mortgage interest rate type loan and on

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Speaker 13: the other hand, you're the attorney general of a different

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Speaker 13: state there. But you know, Rita, this is really nothing new.

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Speaker 13: I mean Democrat, Democrat lawmakers, Democrat prosecutors, they played by

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Speaker 13: an entirely different set of rules. I mean Tis James.

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Speaker 13: We all remember her for being front and center of

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Speaker 13: the lawfair, of the Democrat lawfair complex. They sprawling campaign

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Speaker 13: to try to deprive Donald Trump of getting his second

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Speaker 13: term in office.

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Speaker 9: There.

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Speaker 13: I think about Fannie Willis as well. Fannie Willis is

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Speaker 13: in Atlanta, Georgia, Fuldon County, Georgia. Fannie Willis was on

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Speaker 13: the wrong side of the law as well. So many

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Speaker 13: of these Democrat prosecutors Rita, they just flip their hands.

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Speaker 13: They say, you know what, I am the lawyer here,

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Speaker 13: I'm the prosecutor.

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Speaker 6: Screw you.

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Speaker 13: I'm gonna make the rules here.

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Speaker 5: You better come at me there.

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Speaker 13: But you know what, the Trump doj is calling her

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Speaker 13: bluff in this case tis James because she could find

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Speaker 13: herself on the wrong side of the law for good.

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Speaker 13: They'll depend on on which judge they draw there. But

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Speaker 13: I like what I see so far. I like the

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Speaker 13: aggressiveness of the administration and bringing these charges.

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Speaker 2: A bit of irony given the cases she pursued against

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, But there's got to be a reckoning for

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Speaker 2: some of these activist prosecutors. She launched her old campaign

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Speaker 2: on the premise of getting Trump. She wasn't even hiding

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Speaker 2: how she was going to politicize that office.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: She literally ran in twenty eighteen for a trained general

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Speaker 13: of New York State on a platform of I don't

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Speaker 13: like Donald Trump and I am going to get him

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Speaker 13: by any means necessary. There's there's actually kind of a

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Speaker 13: clever legal analogy here. So in the Constitution there is

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Speaker 13: a prescription and there's a ban on what is called

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Speaker 13: a bill of a tainder. A bill of attainder goes

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Speaker 13: back to the old English star chamber in like seventh

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Speaker 13: century England, and a bill of attainder was a king's

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Speaker 13: rits or a parliamentary active legislation that would single out

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Speaker 13: an individual by name, meaning it was not a general provision.

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Speaker 13: It was just singlely a one person for sole exclusive

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Speaker 13: punishment there. So the analogy that I like to draw

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Speaker 13: is that when Tis James ran for office there, she

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Speaker 13: basically ran a bill of a tender political campaign. Now

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Speaker 13: that's not necessarily illegal. I mean, we have a first moment.

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Speaker 13: You can say a lot of crazy stuff on the

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Speaker 13: campaign show. People frankly do it all the time there,

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Speaker 13: but it's morally repulsive. It's morally repulsive there, and it

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Speaker 13: says a lot about her character, frankly or lack thereof.

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Speaker 1: Josh Hammah, thanks so much for your time tonight. Thank

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Speaker 1: you still to come.

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Speaker 2: Labor pledges millions more in Medicaid funding for lgbt QUI

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Speaker 2: A plus plus Australians.

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Speaker 1: Stephanie Bastian joins me in next welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Women's Forum Australia's head of Advocacy,

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Bastian.

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Speaker 1: Steph.

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Speaker 2: First, let's hear from Labor Our MP's Josh Burns, Peter Khalil,

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Speaker 2: Cake Thwites and Jed Karney in this rather bizarre ad

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Speaker 2: where they tackle one of Australia's foremost issues, splurging ten

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Speaker 2: million dollars on training for primary care professionals to better

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Speaker 2: support lgbt QIA plus Australians.

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Speaker 5: Come on, come on, what are you going to do it?

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Speaker 3: Not now, mate, Not now?

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Speaker 5: All right, We got to let you go to your guess.

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Speaker 1: Now we can make the announced a month for me. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: you can actually pinpoint the second when it's hot. Rich

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Speaker 1: in half.

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Speaker 2: Now, a Labor government will invest ten million dollars in making.

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Speaker 10: Medicare stronger for lgb TIQA plus Australians.

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Speaker 1: This is going to make such a big difference for

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Speaker 1: primary healthcare for people.

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Speaker 7: In the quick community.

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Speaker 4: Just builds on all work from our National Action Plan

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Speaker 4: and it's all about supporting the queer community.

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Speaker 6: And we're really proud.

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Speaker 9: Only a labor government will deliver for LGBT i QA plus.

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Speaker 1: People ten million dollars more.

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Speaker 2: Stephanie, who knew enforcing pronouns was so expensive?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely? But also I'm in this government is as ideological

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Speaker 10: as it is irresponsible. Part of this funding is going

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Speaker 10: towards ensuring that medical professionals are meeting best practice. The

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Speaker 10: voluntary accreditation program. We don't even know what best practice is.

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Speaker 10: There was a very damning judgment out last week. This

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Speaker 10: video was made after, I might add where the judge

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Speaker 10: found that the key witness who helped draft the guidelines

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Speaker 10: of care for transgender diverse adolescents was ideological and an

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Speaker 10: activist rather than an independent witness. There was a little

895
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Speaker 10: boy who was being medically transitioned, approved of hormones until

896
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Speaker 10: his dad intervened, without a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. These

897
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Speaker 10: practices that are going on are not best practice. And

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Speaker 10: the fact that the governments put their head.

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Speaker 5: In the sand.

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Speaker 10: Matt Butler has said that he hasn't read the judgment yet,

901
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Speaker 10: he hasn't provided any comment, but the fact that they're

902
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Speaker 10: now spending ten million dollars to invest in best practice

903
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Speaker 10: shows that they do not care about the LGBTI community

904
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Speaker 10: at all and are not willing to look at the

905
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Speaker 10: facts to ensure they are actually receiving the best medical care.

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Speaker 2: And in that case, you mentioned that that poor child

907
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Speaker 2: has been under the care of a gender clinic since

908
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Speaker 2: the age of six. Just incredible that it was a

909
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Speaker 2: devastating judgment and to have the relevant minister not familiarize.

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Speaker 1: Himself with it is not good.

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Speaker 2: Let's turn our attention to the Riley Dennis versus a

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Speaker 2: Kiraly Smith case. As we know, Dennis a transgender soccer player,

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Speaker 2: so that's a biological male who identifies as female and

914
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Speaker 2: plays with the Flying Bat's, a Sydney women's soccer team

915
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Speaker 2: which has got five trans players. Riley Dennis is suie

916
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Speaker 2: being political advocate Curly Smith for alleged vilification. Let's listen

917
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Speaker 2: to this report from skye us as a senior reporter.

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Speaker 15: Caroline Marcus, the transgender soccer player, is suing Caraly Smith,

919
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 15: alleging the political advocate villified her when she tweeted about

920
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Speaker 15: the top goalscorer in the women's first grade. Miss Dennis

921
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Speaker 15: says the posts made her feel anxious, very upset, and

922
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Speaker 15: that there was now a risk to my and my

923
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Speaker 15: family's safety. Miss Smith refuses to back down.

924
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Speaker 1: No one can change sex.

925
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 5: Men are not women, and no man should be in

926
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Speaker 5: women's sport.

927
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Speaker 15: Miss Smith's legal team argues YouTube videos Riley Dennis made

928
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Speaker 15: about trans issues makes her an activist.

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Speaker 13: Hey, everyone, today, I want to talk about why I,

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Speaker 13: as a queer person, support Muslims.

931
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Speaker 15: It's all fair game for an activist to be taken

932
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Speaker 15: head on by my client. I would not describe myself

933
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Speaker 15: as an activist, Miss Dennis said, some of them what

934
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Speaker 15: seemed to be a shield waiting for her to leave

935
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Speaker 15: the court.

936
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Speaker 1: Do you still feel in fear.

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00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 15: For your safety, in your family's safety, Riley.

938
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Speaker 1: This intimidation and harassment our way.

939
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Speaker 11: Move out of our way.

940
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Speaker 1: Harassment, Get out of our way, This intimidation, harassment, Get

941
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Speaker 1: out of our way. Think pushing us is not intimidation.

942
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Speaker 6: Get out of that way.

943
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Speaker 2: Oh, dear MEA decision is expected to be handed down

944
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Speaker 2: in July, Stephanie, But it's often the case with these actions,

945
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Speaker 2: the process itself is almost a punishment.

946
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Speaker 1: What more can you tell me about this case? Well, reader.

947
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Speaker 10: I actually attended this case with my colleague, colleague Rachel Wong,

948
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Speaker 10: and to be honest, the one thought that really went

949
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Speaker 10: through my mind sitting in the courtroom was witch trials.

950
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Speaker 10: Listening to Curly smith By cross examined by Riley Dennis's

951
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Speaker 10: lawyers trying to make her advocacy fit into some sort

952
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Speaker 10: of vilification was really disheartening.

953
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Speaker 1: And it's you're absolutely correct.

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Speaker 10: The punishment is the process of going through court.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot.

956
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Speaker 10: Resting on this judgment and I think that if the

957
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Speaker 10: judge finds against Kurali, there's going to be an avalanche

958
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Speaker 10: of women speaking at about sex base rights. There are

959
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Speaker 10: safety risks that she has mentioned, there's fairness, there's a

960
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Speaker 10: range of issues that really need discussion, and women like

961
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Speaker 10: kurally A being silenced by the court process.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's infuriating, it is and it's absolutely disheartening

963
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Speaker 2: to see both sides of politics side with the activist.

964
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Speaker 1: Class when it comes to this issue. It seems to

965
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Speaker 1: be in one of.

966
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Speaker 2: Those eighty twenty issues and the eighty percent of the

967
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Speaker 2: population is not represented by the mainstream parties.

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Speaker 1: We've seen a shift in that in the UK.

969
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Speaker 2: We've seen a shift in the US, Scandinavia, but Australia,

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Speaker 2: Stephanie seems to be just trapped in some backward notion

971
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Speaker 2: that anybody who challenges this activist movement has to be punished.

972
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

973
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Speaker 10: I mean there was even heartening news across the ditch

974
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Speaker 10: in New Zealand where the healthcare system is now going

975
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Speaker 10: to refer to women as biological women. That's a government mandate.

976
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Speaker 10: It's really really frustrating that the current neither party have

977
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Speaker 10: come to the table on this. I guarantee there are

978
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Speaker 10: women and families and girls in every suburb across the

979
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Speaker 10: country who would really like a resolution on this and

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Speaker 10: to have their sex based rights reinstated.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it is this time we've had some courage from

982
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Speaker 2: our politicians to take a stand for women.

983
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Speaker 1: This is a woman's rights issue.

984
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Speaker 2: It's clear there's not much doubt about who's losing out

985
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Speaker 2: with this trans movement and the excesses of that movement

986
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Speaker 2: and what it's demanding. Sephanie Bastian, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your time tonight, and that's it from me.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you at eleven tomorrow night. Up next, it's

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Speaker 1: Newsnight