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Speaker 1: There's a case you may have heard Pembo talking about

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Speaker 1: this morning on five Double a Breakfast, The tragic case

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Speaker 1: the murder of Cinnamon Bell, a millicent woman killed by

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Speaker 1: her partner, Cody Edwards, who pleaded guilty to manslaughter after

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Speaker 1: inflicting over fifty injuries on her body, including stabbing her

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Speaker 1: after she was dead. She's a mother of three young children.

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Speaker 1: Just absolutely tragic, he claimed, and he had consumed hallison

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Speaker 1: nogenic drugs and sentenced to eleven years in jail and

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Speaker 1: will serve a non parole period of eight years and

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Speaker 1: some months. The defense rested along the use of drugs

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Speaker 1: at the time the offense was committed. Well, no one

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Speaker 1: made him take the drugs, and eight years to me

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Speaker 1: seems manifestly inadequate to be honest for this young woman's

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Speaker 1: life and the children who grow up without their mum.

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Speaker 1: Kai Mara is State Attorney General, and he's moving to

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Speaker 1: ensure this sort of loophole doesn't exist in the future. Attorney,

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Speaker 1: good morning, Good morning, Matthew. Just a tragic case.

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Speaker 2: It really is a tragic case. And you read about it,

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Speaker 2: and you look at what happened in this case, and

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Speaker 2: just that the trauma that sin and Bell's family must

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Speaker 2: be going through not only losing a loved one in

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Speaker 2: such terrible circumstances, but then because of this interaction of

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Speaker 2: the laws of self induced intoxication and excessive force in

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Speaker 2: self defense, which I'm not sure we've seen the combination

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Speaker 2: of these two areas of law like this in South

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Speaker 2: Australia before, meaning that the offender was able to plead

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Speaker 2: to a charge of mansfield, not murder, just reinforces that trauma. So,

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Speaker 2: as you've mentioned, it doesn't sit right with me. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it meets community expectations. But it is the

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Speaker 2: law as it's written today in South Australia, and we're

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Speaker 2: going to look to change it that.

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Speaker 1: I suppose when it was drafted it may not have

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Speaker 1: been considered that it could become a loophole. I imagine

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Speaker 1: that's generally the case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon that's probably the case. ACTU and you

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Speaker 2: had different parts of the laws you're developed differently in

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Speaker 2: responding to different situations, and this was the combination of

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Speaker 2: a couple of different areas of law together in a

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Speaker 2: way that it may not have been I think when

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Speaker 2: laws were drafted considered. So yeah, I think it is

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Speaker 2: something that most people I don't think it really meets

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Speaker 2: community expectations. The court applied the law as it stands today,

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Speaker 2: but we've released a draft already of draft legislation to

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Speaker 2: change this law and that's open for consultation right now.

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Speaker 1: All right, how long before you you put it in

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Speaker 1: legislation and get it through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a complicated area of law and as

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Speaker 2: different states have different ways that they that they do

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Speaker 2: this and the way it interacts. The consultation is going

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Speaker 2: to be open for four weeks. We'll have a look

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Speaker 2: at the result of that and then aimed to have

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Speaker 2: laws in parliament this year. We're aiming for who.

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Speaker 1: Do you get consultation back from, because you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's a legal matter. Ultimately, I wouldn't know what to

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Speaker 1: say to you in consultation over legislation regarding murder and

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Speaker 1: the fine points.

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Speaker 2: A really good question on these really complicated areas. Often

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Speaker 2: it's it's bodies like the law Society, the Bar Association,

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Speaker 2: the police commissioner, the DPP or often on these on

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Speaker 2: these compact techno matters, some of the people who put

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Speaker 2: into our conflict submissions to our consultation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you read it what I suppose the experts

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Speaker 1: are telling you in the field, yeah, and eat and

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Speaker 1: it goes there. Then legislation, So what you reckon early

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Speaker 1: next year?

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Speaker 2: If it all goes well, we'd hope to have legislation

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Speaker 2: in by the end of this year. May be then

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Speaker 2: to go through the parliamentary processes all right.

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Speaker 1: So it won't be long. Well, that's that's positive excessive

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Speaker 1: self defense reform. So what will that look like in

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Speaker 1: the future if what you've prepared goes through? Does that

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Speaker 1: mean somebody who kills somebody else with drugs without drugs

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Speaker 1: just playing out.

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Speaker 2: What this is specifically looking at is that area of

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Speaker 2: self induced intoxication, that is where you have knowingly and

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Speaker 2: deliberately taken something the changes the way your brain works

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Speaker 2: and how your actor with the world. That you don't

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Speaker 2: get to rely on this partial defense of excessive force

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Speaker 2: and defending yourself and a complicated area of metha because

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Speaker 2: a survivor of domestic violence who suffered at the hands

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Speaker 2: generally of a man for decades can under our law

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Speaker 2: use what if it was only in isolated to the

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Speaker 2: excessive force. So we want to make sure in changing

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Speaker 2: this we're not having unintended quantity intended consequences in other areas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that's all got to be taken into consideration.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time, Thank you, Thanks matter. Attorney General Kaim

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Speaker 1: Mar