WEBVTT - Washington's warning to Australia over Palestine

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ruby Jones and you're listening to seven am. Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister Anthony Albanezi is in New York for the UN

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<v Speaker 1>General Assembly, where Australia has formally recognized the State of Palestine,

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<v Speaker 1>a step that more than one hundred and fifty UN

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<v Speaker 1>member states have now taken. The move is part of

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<v Speaker 1>what Australia calls a coordinated international effort to build new

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<v Speaker 1>momentum for the two state solution, but with no active

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<v Speaker 1>peace process, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Ettnia, who vowing to

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<v Speaker 1>fight calls for Palestinian statehood, and the US attempting to

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<v Speaker 1>scuttle the process. How much difference will recognition make? Today

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<v Speaker 1>Press Gallery veteran pauporn Jorno on whether Australia and others

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<v Speaker 1>can shift the positions of Washington and Israel. It's Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>September twenty three, So Paul. Prime Minister Anthony Albernezi. He's

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<v Speaker 1>in New York right now for the UN General Assembly,

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<v Speaker 1>and during his visit he officially announced Australia's recognition of

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Palestine.

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<v Speaker 2>Today. I'm pleased to be here with Minister Wong to

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<v Speaker 2>announce her effective today Sunday the twenty first of September

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<v Speaker 2>two thy and twenty five, the Comwealth of Australia recognizes

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<v Speaker 2>the State of Palestine.

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<v Speaker 1>We of course knew that this was coming, but still,

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<v Speaker 1>how significant is a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Like this, Well, I've got to say it's highly significant

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<v Speaker 3>on a number of fronts. The first point to be made,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe, is that have to recognize who is doing

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<v Speaker 3>this recognizing, and it's three of the Five Eyes Nations.

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<v Speaker 3>Now these are the nations who have not only security

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<v Speaker 3>but intelligence sharing arrangements with the United States of America. So,

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<v Speaker 3>in other words, the three of the foremost trusted US

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<v Speaker 3>allies have put their signature to a call for the

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<v Speaker 3>recognition of the Palestinian state, saying enough is enough.

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<v Speaker 2>And this recognition being announced today in sinc with our

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<v Speaker 2>international partners, the United Kingdom and Canada, means that three

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<v Speaker 2>of the Five Eyes Nations are all making this decision today.

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<v Speaker 3>And furthermore, the only way that we can end this

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<v Speaker 3>seventy seven year old cycle of violence is to finally

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<v Speaker 3>do what the United Nations wanted in nineteen forty eight,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is recognize a Palestinian state.

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<v Speaker 2>We recognize the legitimate, unlong held aspirations of the people

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<v Speaker 2>of Palestine of a state of their own, and in

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<v Speaker 2>doing so we reaffirm Australia's long standing position of two states.

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<v Speaker 3>Now the three five partners will be joined by other

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<v Speaker 3>friends of the United States and by the way of

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<v Speaker 3>Israel in the next two days. Of course, is a

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<v Speaker 3>key nation. It's already put its hand up. It will

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<v Speaker 3>be joining the formal recognition at the UN in the

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<v Speaker 3>next twenty four hours. Two years ago, these nations, including Australia,

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<v Speaker 3>were very wary of criticizing Israel, very aware that the

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<v Speaker 3>atrocities of Hamas gave Israel initially, if you like, a

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<v Speaker 3>certain moral ascendancy. But the way in which Israel has

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<v Speaker 3>waged the war against the Palestinians in Gaza is beyond

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<v Speaker 3>the pale. And I think that what this recognition shows

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<v Speaker 3>is that Australia and other countries will be less restrained

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<v Speaker 3>in their criticism of Israel, and it does open the

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<v Speaker 3>way for further sanctions against Israel if it doesn't comply.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of these countries moving to recognize a Palestinian state,

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<v Speaker 1>they say that this moment, this recognition, it has to

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<v Speaker 1>be part of a peace process. But as it stands

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't exist, there is no peace process. So knowing that,

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<v Speaker 1>can this really be any more than a symbolic.

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<v Speaker 3>Gesture, Well, it is certainly a symbolic gesture, but it

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<v Speaker 3>has a weight to it and in a sense it

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<v Speaker 3>also puts pressure on the people making this symbolic gesture

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<v Speaker 3>to do more. And this is a point, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>that the Australian Greens picked up on Monday, saying okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you've done this. Now you've got to apply sanctions. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>you've even got to stop supplying parts for the Israeli

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<v Speaker 3>war jets you know that are bombing Gaza. So there's

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<v Speaker 3>pressure coming now back on Australia and the other New

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<v Speaker 3>states calling for the recognition of Palestine to do more

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<v Speaker 3>if this gesture, if this symbol doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>And Israel is racing to make sure that there is

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<v Speaker 1>as little as possible physically left on the map to

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<v Speaker 1>actually form the basis of a state of power at Steyne,

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<v Speaker 1>and Benjamin Nettniaho has said that there will be no

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinian state to the west of the Jordan River at Mahnikido, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I have another message for you. It will not happen

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<v Speaker 4>a Palestinian state will not be established west of the

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<v Speaker 4>Jordan River. For years, I have prevented the establishment of

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<v Speaker 4>this terrorist state, despite tremendous pressure both domestically and internationally.

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<v Speaker 1>So does the idea of a two state solution reflects

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<v Speaker 1>the reality of what's happening on the ground now.

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<v Speaker 3>It certainly doesn't reflect a reality of what's happening on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground now with Nettin Yahoo, who, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't have it all his own way, even in Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>As Anthony Albernizi has said on Monday in a number

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<v Speaker 3>of interviews, hundreds of thousands of Israelis are against what

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<v Speaker 3>their own government has done in the past two years,

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<v Speaker 3>but more particularly.

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<v Speaker 5>What it is doing now.

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<v Speaker 3>So Nettin Yahoo, certainly, while he and his extremeist minister

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<v Speaker 3>are still in power, will do everything they can to

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<v Speaker 3>thwart the two state solution, and in fact have been

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<v Speaker 3>doing so for over a decade. But I just remind

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<v Speaker 3>you that what a state of Palestine should look like

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<v Speaker 3>is not exactly a mystery. The idea could well be

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<v Speaker 3>that we go back to the nineteen sixty seven borders.

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<v Speaker 5>Certainly we wouldn't go back.

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<v Speaker 3>To the borders and visited back in nineteen forty eight,

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<v Speaker 3>and there is a precedent for this. Yeshtuk Rabin, who

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<v Speaker 3>you might remember, in nineteen ninety three, signed the Oslo

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<v Speaker 3>Accords on the south lawn of the White House. I

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<v Speaker 3>was lucky enough to be there to witness it along

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<v Speaker 3>with other Australian journalists. With the Palestinian leader Arafat. He

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<v Speaker 3>agreed to trade what was called land for peace, in

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<v Speaker 3>other words, to give back to the Palestinians the land

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<v Speaker 3>that settlers at that stage had taken.

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<v Speaker 6>Today we bear wedness to an extraordinary act in one

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<v Speaker 6>of history's defining dramas, a drama that began in the

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<v Speaker 6>time of our ancestors, when the word went forth from

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<v Speaker 6>a slaver of land between the River Jordan and the

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<v Speaker 6>Mediterranean Sea.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we have to make a note here that Rabin

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<v Speaker 3>paid his life for doing that. An extreme Israeli shot

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<v Speaker 3>him for making these sorts of concessions to the Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not just Israel against this. Of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>US seem to attempt to scuttle the whole process before

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<v Speaker 1>it began. It was denying the visas of eighty Palestinian officials,

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<v Speaker 1>including the Palestinian President Mahmuda Bus. So tell me what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's quite simply, as you outlined, the US State

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<v Speaker 3>Department refused to let Macmuda Bus and his party into

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<v Speaker 3>the United States.

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<v Speaker 5>As we know, the United.

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<v Speaker 3>Nations is on the East River in New York, and

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<v Speaker 3>this move is very rarely done because part of the

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<v Speaker 3>agreement of America hosting the United Nations is that it

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<v Speaker 3>will allow people to carry out their duties at the

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<v Speaker 3>United Nations, including by the way in the past Soviet

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<v Speaker 3>leaders and in the present people like Putin.

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<v Speaker 5>It'll be interested to see if they do the same

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<v Speaker 5>to him.

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<v Speaker 3>But there is no doubt this is to express the

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<v Speaker 3>United States opposition to the Palestinian authority having any say

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<v Speaker 3>in any settlement and to deny, as far as it can,

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<v Speaker 3>any sort of peace process and recognition going forward.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the United Nations.

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<v Speaker 3>And indeed the Palestinian authority got around this by the

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<v Speaker 3>UN agreeing to allow a Bus to address the Assembly

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<v Speaker 3>virtually on a big video screen, so that in itself

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<v Speaker 3>sends a message that in this issue, at this point

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<v Speaker 3>of time, Israel and the United States are paro nations internationally.

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<v Speaker 1>After the break, the Republicans trying to intimidate Australia to

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<v Speaker 1>back down on Palestine. Paul, there had been signs that

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Aberzi would meet with Trump on this visit to

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<v Speaker 1>the US, but it hasn't happened yet. Is it likely today?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Anthony Auberanzi's pretty relaxed about it. He says there

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<v Speaker 3>will be a meeting and Ruby. The word around Canberra

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<v Speaker 3>was that Albanzi and Trump had agreed to a face

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<v Speaker 3>to face meeting on Sunday, a US time, but the

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<v Speaker 3>President of course had to cancel that to attend the

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<v Speaker 3>funeral of the right wing commentator Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 6>And so on that terrible day September tenth, twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 6>our greatest evangelist.

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<v Speaker 5>For American liberty became immortal. He's a minyr now for

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<v Speaker 5>American freedom.

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<v Speaker 3>The President is holding a reception in New York on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 3>American time. I believe there's almost two hundred world leaders there.

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<v Speaker 3>So if Albertiz gets to meet him, he did say

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<v Speaker 3>in one interview I heard on Monday that he'd be saying,

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<v Speaker 3>get a nice to meet you personally. But he has

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<v Speaker 3>made the point that even in the last ten days

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<v Speaker 3>he's had a warm foam discussion with the President. He's

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<v Speaker 3>not too worried about it. The Prime Minister says, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a media obsession. It's one being pushed particularly by the

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<v Speaker 3>Murdoch media and of course by the opposition. But the

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<v Speaker 3>real touchstone is that the Australian American relationship in the

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<v Speaker 3>broadest sense is on a pretty firm footing. Trump has

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<v Speaker 3>said this to Albanezi, and we do know from the

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<v Speaker 3>trip that Richard Miles, the Deputy Prime Minister, made to

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<v Speaker 3>America three weeks ago that the Secretary of State Rubio

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<v Speaker 3>assured Richard Miles that everything, if I can use the vernacular,

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<v Speaker 3>is hunky dory between the US and Australia.

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<v Speaker 5>So this meeting would be nice.

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<v Speaker 3>But as Albanizi also points out that as of now,

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<v Speaker 3>we've got the lowest tariff impositions of any country on Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, meeting Trump doesn't seem to be a

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<v Speaker 3>condition for getting on well enough with the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's talk a little about the Republican's Paul because

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<v Speaker 1>in the lead up to this General Assembly, there was

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<v Speaker 1>this letter that was released by twenty five Republican members

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<v Speaker 1>for Congress, and it was warning Australia and the French

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<v Speaker 1>and the Canadians and the British of possible reprisals if

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<v Speaker 1>they went ahead to recognize the Palestinian state. So how

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<v Speaker 1>should we interpret that kind of threat?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first of all is bluster and menace. And then

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<v Speaker 3>we have to have a look at who's making this threat,

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<v Speaker 3>And they're twenty five MAGA Republicans members of Congress, who

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, aren't all that happy with Trump over

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<v Speaker 3>his failure to release all the Epstein files. So they're

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<v Speaker 3>the sort of people making these threats. Then you have

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<v Speaker 3>to say, well, what are you going to do. You've

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<v Speaker 3>already got tariffs on all your major trading partners, making

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<v Speaker 3>goods and services dearer in America.

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<v Speaker 5>What are you going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do to Australia. You need Australia more than we need

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<v Speaker 3>you in terms of security alliances, Pine Gap and other

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<v Speaker 3>arrangements like that. And furthermore, even though America already has

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<v Speaker 3>got tariffs on our beef because the American cattle herd

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<v Speaker 3>is down, they've been importing far more beef than they

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<v Speaker 3>had for years and paying a higher price for it.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just rubbish. It also shows that Australia is

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<v Speaker 3>prepared to be more independent in its foreign policy, and

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<v Speaker 3>to do so based on its own understanding of what's

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<v Speaker 3>in our our national interest, and I would say what's

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<v Speaker 3>in our moral worldview.

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<v Speaker 1>And returning to recognition of Palestinian statehood. If this move

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<v Speaker 1>is about putting pressure on both the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>Israel to stop the war in Gaza, to date, both

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<v Speaker 1>countries have only dug in further, So, do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that Israel and the US can continue to ignore this pressure?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look, you'd have to say all the signs are

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<v Speaker 3>that they will continue to ignore it. That then brings

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<v Speaker 3>us back to what we were discussing earlier. What will

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<v Speaker 3>Australia and the other major nations in Europe do to

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<v Speaker 3>bring even more pressure on Israel to stop the catastrophic

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<v Speaker 3>slaughter that's going on in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Paul, thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Ruby bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi will

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time address the UN General Assembly this

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<v Speaker 1>week in place of Foreign Minister Penny Wong, who's delivered

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<v Speaker 1>Australia's remarks to the UN in previous years. The Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister will present Australia's emissions target of a sixty two

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<v Speaker 1>to seventy percent reduction on two thousand and five levels

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<v Speaker 1>by twenty thirty five, as well as host of forum

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<v Speaker 1>to promote Australia's social media ban for under sixteens and

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<v Speaker 1>The Australian Media and Communications Authority has begun its investigation

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<v Speaker 1>into last week's Optus Triplo outage that's been linked to

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<v Speaker 1>multiple deaths in South Australia and Western Australia. The outage

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in the failure of more than six hundred emergency

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<v Speaker 1>calls over thirteen hours, during which time three people are confirmed.

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<v Speaker 4>To have died.

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<v Speaker 1>Communications Minister Anika Wells says Optus will face significant consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ruby Jones, an I am see you tomorrow.