WEBVTT - Danica De Giorgio | 22 August 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:07.320 Live on Sky News Australia. This is Ta Nika di Giorgio. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.600 Hello and welcome to the show. Coming up tonight. 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.720 I'll explain why Labour's Economic Roundtable has been a dud 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:19.119 as Jim Chalmers sets his sights on your superannuation. The 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.120 government minister who thinks men should be eligible to win 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:24.119 a Woman of the Year awards. 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:25.360 What has the world come to? 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:30.400 Plus another green energy project collapses, this time a massive 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.880 offshore wind farm in New South Wales had Bizarrely, Chris 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.960 Bowen is blaming Donald Trump for its demise. But first tonight, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.800 Labour's three day Productivity round Table or Economic Roundtable, whatever 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.320 the heck they're calling it now, has been. 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:49.599 A dud, a complete failure. Yet it was all hyped up, 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:50.199 wasn't it? 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.720 As this big event, lots of fanfare, a contest of 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.960 ideas to change your life. But there are no outcomes, 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:02.440 no plans, no decisions. And it got me thinking, what 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:07.119 does productivity look like under labor? And I think this 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:30.600 sums it up. Yep, that is productivity under labor, A 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.279 big joke, a big laugh, falling over, having no clue 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:40.160 which direction to go in. Essentially a bumbling fumbling, dancing mess. 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.160 And that's what we've seen this week. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.200 Jim Chalmers sprigged his big plans to lift living standards, 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:50.520 make people better off, make our nation more resilient, when 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.960 really it was just a ploy to tax us more 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.840 and go after baby boomers. In fact, the Productivity Commission 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.960 Chair Danielle Wood has delivered her verdict on the summer. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.320 She says the outcomes from the round table are not 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:04.280 enough to. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:09.360 Fully repair Australia's sluggish productivity. So, in other words, politicians 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.040 and bureaucrats sat in a circle for three days, singing Kumbaya, 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:17.480 eating taxpayer funded catering, smiling for the cameras and each 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:21.280 patting themselves on the back. As I said, it was 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:26.280 a dud charmers can't even outline any immediate policies, but 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.840 insists it's all about future policy development. 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.440 There was twenty nine hours of discussions. In the end 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.480 there was by our count, something like three hundred and 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:43.160 twenty seven different contributions made over the course of those 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:43.920 three days. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:45.480 Wow. 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.840 Yeah, all talk, but one thing is certain, and we've 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.919 been warning for weeks now that this talk fest was 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.560 all just a ploy to raise taxes and look out 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.639 right on cue, Jim Chalmers is coming after your super 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.360 reforms been considered by the Treasurer include cracking down on 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:08.919 superannuation tax breaks for wealthy retirees, tightening family trust regulations 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.880 and reducing capital gains tax concessions. So essentially, Charmers has 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.000 declared war on baby boomers. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.560 I wouldn't put it like that, Sarah. If you look 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.640 at the tax changes I've made already as Treasurer that 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.519 the Prime Minister's government has made. They've been all about 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:26.919 making sure that when it comes to income tax cuts, 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.480 for example, that those income tax cuts are made available 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.880 to younger workers and women, people right up and down 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.000 the income scale. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.480 Yeah, it's all about punishing those who have spent their 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.720 whole lives paying taxes and worked very hard to contribute 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:45.520 to the economy under the guise of intergenerational inequality. Now, 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.960 make no mistake, Labour would have known all of this 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.720 prior to the election. It was written in the books. 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.720 Don't forget leak Treasury documents for shadow this week's ago. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.400 The only way to get the budget in order is 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:01.120 to raise taxes. Yet Labor took a mandate to the 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.240 election and promised it. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:07.000 Would not happen Antheoberanzi only said last week that the 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.840 government would not make any tax changes that they didn't 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.360 take to the election, and yet Jim Chalmers wasn't able 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.880 to make that same commitment at his press conference yesterday 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.760 and is ominously talking about what sound like quite significant 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.760 tax changes to fix his spending problem. 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.719 And that is just the issue. 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:29.160 The talk fest has failed to address Labour's spending problem, 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.839 and so Jim is coming after your super to pay 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.719 for his failures. Government spending is at its highest since 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.800 World War II. Debt is sitting at one hundred billion. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:43.400 Labor is fiscally irresponsible and you will pay for it now. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:48.160 I think there were missed opportunities for discussion this week. Firstly, 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.400 the elephant in the room Labor does not want to 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:51.920 address immigration. 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.160 Big Australia is getting bigger again. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.080 More than fifteen hundred people are arriving in Australia every 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.279 day every day, and that is on top of the 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.280 already more than one point one million people who've come 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.360 into this country since Labor was first elected in twenty 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.159 twenty two. Migration has exacerbated the cost of living in 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.160 housing crisis. I mean, anyone looking for a rental right 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.120 now knows just how tight the market is. Have a 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.960 look at the rental vacancy rates for July one point 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.960 five percent in Sydney, one point eight in Melbourne, zero 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.720 point nine percent in Brisbane, just zero point seven percent 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:32.279 in Perth and zero point eight percent in Adelaide. And 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:36.080 if current trends continue net permanent, our long term arrivals 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.679 could reach almost six hundred thousand by December. So fifteen 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.960 hundred people are arriving here every day. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.880 Where are we going to put them? Where are we 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.120 going to put these people? 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.640 But it was not addressed at the talk fest, presumably 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:55.440 because high immigration suits labor politically, and of course the 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.200 left think it's racist to talk about it now. 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.040 The other key missed opportunity was energy. 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.840 How can charmers sprook lifting living standards and making our 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.560 nation more resilient when we can't even keep the lights on? 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:10.679 Now? 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.720 I have lost count at the amount of renewables projects 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.400 which have gone bust or have been delayed in recent months. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.279 Especially just today we found out that Norwegian energy giant 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:26.839 Equinor has abandoned a ten billion dollar offshore wind project 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.799 which was a cornerstone of the Hunter's clean energy transition. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.280 They are not surviving, they're collapsing. 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.320 Yet there seems to be a serious lack of interest 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.279 by labor to have a proper debate and a serious 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.600 debate about cheap and reliable energy in this country. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.240 The problems are so obvious. 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.600 Government spending is out of control, the economy is not 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.440 growing fast enough. Too many people are coming into the country. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.680 Energy policy is a disaster. You didn't need a round 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:01.000 table to tell you that. But right Alban Easy and 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.680 Mao Chalmers have our lives in their hands under. 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.640 The central control system. God help us. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:16.200 The New South Wales Minister for Women thinks men can 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:20.360 be women. Now the proposition sounds about as absurd as 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:24.120 it is. Joni Harrison is so convinced of her position 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:28.080 she even thinks men should be eligible to win a 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:29.440 Woman of the Year awards. 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.960 Is it the position that a man who identifies as 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.280 a woman a trans woman is eligible to enter and 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.679 participate in the twenty twenty six New South Wales Women 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:40.960 of the Year Awards? 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:47.480 All women can be eligible to be nominated, So. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.000 You're saying trans women can be eligible to be nominated 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.280 and awarded. The New South Wales Women of the Year, 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.560 the Premiers, Woman of the Year, of Excellence, Community Hero 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:00.320 and are. 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:04.800 Eligible to be nominated and be awarded those categories. 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.320 Yeah, you could really see the mental gymnastics going on 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.440 in there, the knots of confusion really churning away as 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:17.440 Jodie Harrison desperately tries to explain without explaining the difference 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:18.679 between men and women. 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:20.760 Now, look, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.200 Perhaps she missed her biology classes in school, but she 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.280 can't quite compute the absurdity of the situation. 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.040 Well, is it not absurd situation that a biological man 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.240 who identifies as a woman could potentially be announced on 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:39.400 the fifth of March twenty twenty six awards event as 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.960 the twenty twenty six New South Wales Woman of the Year. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:44.040 As I said to. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.840 It's the view of this government that all women should 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:53.719 be able to be nominated and to be awarded if 0:08:53.760 --> 0:09:02.719 they meet the standards that are needed to achieve these awards, 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:04.640 that they be rewarded for that. 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.760 Yeah, she says, if they meet the standards needed to 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:08.959 achieve these awards. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.320 Well, geez, surely the number one standard of Women of 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.319 the Year awards is actually being. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:19.480 A biological woman. But nope, the Minister doesn't seem to 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.200 think so is it. 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:25.680 Actually fair to a biological woman that is being assessed 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:30.400 under those various criteria? Really should be a very good 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.079 It looks like an excellent program. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:32.760 Yep. 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:37.319 Well, there is a very robust process for assessing the 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:42.880 winners of each of those categories. 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.680 Now the question is, how can she be the Minister 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.679 for Women if she doesn't even know what a woman is? 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:51.679 Well, it's too late, isn't it. 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.040 A man winning New South Wales Woman of the Year 0:09:54.600 --> 0:10:01.600 is coming to a local community category near you. Now, look, 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.120 we are at a real crossroads in this country. What 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.560 sort of a country do we want to live in? 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:06.920 Now? 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.600 I've asked myself many times this exact question since October seven, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:15.240 twenty twenty three, because since then, Labour's abandonment of Israel 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.280 has seen our values collapse and our social standards decline, 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:24.120 and the only people benefiting are the Jihades terrorists Hamas. 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.800 The Israel Australia relationship is at rock bottom, and that 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.600 was all but confirmed by Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu in 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.480 an exclusive interview with my colleague Sharry Markson. 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.920 We've had a great relationship over the years. I think 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:43.040 it's been gone astray because I think leaders did not 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.440 show the strength and conviction that they should have when 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.800 we're fighting, Actually we're fighting the war of Western civilization 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:55.400 against these barbarians. And I think ultimately, I think most 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.600 Australians will get it. If they don't get it now 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.080 they said about it, I think many of them will 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:06.040 get it today, and many we'll get it once we 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.560 finish this war and give a future of peace and prosperity. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.280 And if you missed that interview, you can catch it 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.680 in full on Sky News tonight at eight forty Australian 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.040 Eastern Time. But look, the Israeli PM raises such an 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.600 important point that I think is actually being lost in 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:26.440 this debate. Israel is not just fighting for itself, It's 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.920 not just fighting for its own survival. It's actually fighting 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.840 for the West. It's the only country willing to take 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.240 a stand on terror to make the West a better place, 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.439 to make our lives more secure. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:39.720 In the future. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.480 Yet somehow it's been labeled as the enemy, and Albo 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.880 and Wong have been an absolute, complete and utter disgrace 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:52.319 and have put our country out of very dangerous crossroads. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.440 Johnavy now for more on this is shadow Foreign Affairs Minister, 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:57.839 Michaylia Cash, Senator, It's good to. 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.200 Cash up with you as always. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.920 Look Benjamin Ya, who has stepped up his criticism of 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.680 Anthony Abernesi, telling Shari Markson that his record is forever 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.240 tarnished by the weakness he has shown in the face 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.400 of these hummas terrorist monsters. What does this mean for 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.000 the relationship between the two countries now? 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.439 Well, in the first instance, Tanika, when you reward terrorists 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.800 as our Prime Minister Alberanezi has done, I don't know 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:28.040 how your record is anything but tarnished forever. That was 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.080 an utterly extraordinary interview. But Danika, I think it was 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.559 also a really salient reminder for all of us of 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.360 what actually occurred on October the seventh, twenty twenty three. 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:46.040 The worst terrorists in the world savages, murdered women, raped women, 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:51.319 beheaded men, burnt babies alive in front of their parents, 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:56.040 took hundreds of hostages, many of whom they later murdered, 0:12:56.440 --> 0:13:00.640 and many of whom are still in the tunnel. And 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.359 let's be very very clear, her Musk was not exercising 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.000 its right to self defense. It was seeking to achieve 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:13.120 its long held ambition to see the destruction of Israel. 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.280 I have a simple principle, Hamas are terrorists. They do 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.520 not share, as you have said, the shame values that 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:21.200 we share. 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.360 You do not reward terrorists. 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.880 And yet that is exactly what mister Alberanizi has done. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.880 Israel aren't just fighting for their life, if you said, 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:35.320 they are fighting for the shared values that we live 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:41.520 here in Australia on a daily basis, freedom, democracy, the 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:42.600 rule of law. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.120 He must don't care about any of them. 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.520 And yet what is mister Albanesi and Penny Wong done. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.920 They have said to Israel in their time of need, 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:58.120 we're walking away from you and rewarding the terrorists. That 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.160 is a shameful record for this government to have. 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:03.160 It's an absolute disgrace. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.319 And yet here we are with the situation where Hamas 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.800 is actually openly praising labor and has done multiple times, 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:12.040 and that is an absolute blight on this country. Benjamin Etna, 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.400 who also said also said this have a listen. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.320 He called a peace feeding the crocodile. You know, you 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.600 feed the crocodile that's chasing you in the hope that 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.160 he will somehow spare you. But he said he's not 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:25.840 going to spare you. He's going to eat everything you 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:29.400 give and then eat you. And that's what the you know, 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.280 the Western leaders, including unfortunately in Australia, are doing. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.400 Look, and I agree with him is he's trying to 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.640 quote Churchill there. But this could have all been resolved, 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.920 Senator from the start if the world just called for 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.680 the hostages to be released on October eight. Yet of 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.720 course Penny one called for restraint. Labour's gone down this 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.360 appeasement route from day one, as as the UK, Canada, France. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:52.280 What does this mean for the future of. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:56.000 The West when these leaders are essentially bowing down to terror. 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:58.680 You're absolutely right. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:03.000 Appeasement never works and all it has done in this 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.160 case is actually in Bold and. 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:06.560 The terrorists Daneka. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.800 There was only one response for Penny Wong and Anthony 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:15.600 Albernizi on October the eighth, twenty twenty three, after. 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:16.680 The atrocities occurred. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.240 It was the right response, the correct response, and the 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:24.080 moral response, and that was of course to call immediately 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:29.160 on the terrorists to release unconditionally the hostages. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:30.960 And yet they didn't. 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:36.480 They called for restraint and look where we are now. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.680 Appeasement does not work. It emboldens. 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:45.040 But I think what was so important about last night's interview, 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:49.280 and in particular from Australia's perspective, We wake up every 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.200 day in the luckiest country in the world, and I 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.680 think we're almost starting to take for granted the fact 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:56.600 that we are a. 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.440 Country that abides by the rule of law. 0:15:58.760 --> 0:15:59.400 We are a. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:03.680 Country that has democratic elections. We are a country that 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.560 has freedom of speech, that has freedom of the press. 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:12.240 They are the values that Israel is currently fighting for. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.480 For God's sakes, Hamas are a terrorist group. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:20.520 They do not share those same values. Mister Albernizi and 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:21.240 Penny Wong. 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.720 They will go down in history as people who did 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:30.320 not fight for the fundamental freedoms that we live and 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.760 breathe in Australia on a daily basis. 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:38.520 Danika, this cannot end well for Australia. 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:43.920 Ultimately, you reward terrorists who don't just not share your values, 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:50.480 they fundamentally oppose them and fight against them. Again, that's 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:55.280 the country we now live in under Anthony Albnizi and Pennywong. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.040 Yeah, I agree, and I actually think this reelected albo 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.840 is more dangerous than the first. This Radi agenda is 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.720 just getting fundamentally worse, and our values are being eroded 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.840 day by day by these dreadful, morally bankrupt decisions that 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.960 we're seeing play out. Now, before we let you go, 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.000 I just want to ask you about Chinese spies, because 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.920 concerns have been raised about the influence of the Chinese 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:20.160 Communist Party after the director of Chinese property developer Country 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.400 Garden Australia said he could pay party officials to access 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.679 the we chat messages of his staff in Sydney and 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:27.560 in Melbourne. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.240 How concerned should we be about this? 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.119 Well, I saw those reports and they are concerning. I 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:38.720 mean any company that operates in Australia. It doesn't matter 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:42.440 where the company is headquartered. If you are operating in Australia, 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.080 you are bide by our laws and that ends upholding 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:50.840 the principles of privacy, of transparency, but more than that, 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.800 respect for employees. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.120 And so I think that we need to make it. 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.119 Very very clear that we are concerned by those reports. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.679 And if you work in Australia and you employ people 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.360 in Australia, then you abide by our laws. 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:08.240 That's it. 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:10.280 Nope, I completely agree with you. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.320 Good good point Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister Michayley Cash. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:14.760 Always great to catch up with you. 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.520 Thank you so much for joining me on the show 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.640 this evening. Well, as I mentioned earlier, energy giant Equinor 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:25.160 has abandoned the ten billion dollar Novocastrian offshore wind project 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.719 in New South Wales. Now this was touted as a 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:32.120 cornerstone project of the Hunter's clean energy transition, and yet 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.480 it's another blow to the renewables only magic carpet ride 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.760 fantasy and of course to the minister overseeing the mess, 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:39.639 Chris Bowen. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.360 So that's disappointing. And also offshore wind is facing some 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:48.879 global international investment bed wins right at the moment, partly 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.560 partly driven by some uncertainty in the United States. 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.960 I yes, blame the United States. It's Aul Donald Trump's fault, 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.439 isn't it. Joining me now is Adam Morrison, the Energy 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.199 program director at the Centate for Independent Studies. 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:01.480 Aida. 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:02.080 Nice to meet you. 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.840 Thank you so much for joining me. Here we go again, 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.879 another failed project. How big was this project meant to be? 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:09.560 And what does it. 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.119 Say again about this fairy tale fantasy we're living on? 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:14.840 Well, this project was meant to be about two gigawatts, 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.000 So to put that into perspective, that's about fifty percent 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.679 larger than the biggest onshore wind farms that we've got 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.480 in Australia in the proposal development at the stage. But 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.840 it's actually it's about ten times larger than all the 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.320 floating offshore wind that exists in the world today. And 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.120 that's something we don't realize is this technology of floating 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.679 offshore wind as opposed to standing on piles driven to 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.760 the sand, is totally prototypical. It's just in development stage. 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.560 And that's because it costs something like three or four 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.600 times as much as the standing version, which is already 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.920 double the cost of the onshore wind version. So that's 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:47.959 why developers are walking away from it, because it's just 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.000 absolutely impossible that the economics of this type of wind 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.320 development stacks up. It's going nowhere, and it's going nowhere globally, 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.240 and it'll go nowhere in New South Wales as well. 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.760 Well. Chris Brolin's blaming the US, is that fair? 0:19:59.320 --> 0:19:59.800 Not at all? 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.520 You know, it's the fundamental economics that are working their 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:04.440 way through the process in the US and the UK. 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.080 There is simply no offshore wind being developed anywhere without 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.280 governments basically having to force taxpayers to pay for it 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.879 or force electricity consumers to pay for it. And again 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:16.560 the floating offshowind variety. Again, Chris Barne was assuming this 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.159 project alone would be ten times what currently exists, and 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.240 that zone would be something more like, you know, forty 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.320 times what currently exists globally. So he was completely away 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.000 with the fairies. There's no chance that any of that's 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:26.520 going ahead. 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:27.760 No, he's always away with the fairy. 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:29.720 It's always somebody else's fault when it comes to this 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:30.640 pipe drave. 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:32.359 Now, look, the Herald's sun. 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.879 Mood of the Bush survey reveals that the proportion of 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.760 regional Victorians who are supportive of the transition to renewables 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.399 has plummeted from sixty six percent three years ago to 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:42.640 forty four percent now. 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:43.359 While one in. 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.000 Two people living in the regions still support pursuing net 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.000 zero emissions, they're far more pessimistic about the impact on 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.879 their households and communities than those in other states, and 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:55.480 are more likely to oppose new wind and solar. 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:57.760 And I mean, we can't be surprised. 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.399 By this because I just feel like, really it's the 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.960 regions that suffering the most from this push to get 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:04.320 to net zero by twenty fifty. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.399 That's exactly right, because it's such a diffuse and dispersed 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.479 form of energy collection. It's not really generation they're collecting it. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.679 It has to have just such a large impact on 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.280 the land. So there are towers everywhere, these huge amounts 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.359 of transmission lines, and every time I go to the 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.600 bush and talk to a farmer, I learn a new 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:21.640 way that I hadn't considered, be it not being able 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.520 to move your machinery around on the lines, firefighting access, 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.639 your ability to do aerial fire fighting, for example, flashing 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.560 lights for aerial hazards, for wind turbines. It is just 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.280 a real challenge for the people that actually have to 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.199 put up with it. So no surprise at all to 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.159 see the bush is starting to sour and the more 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:37.760 and more they experience it, yeah. 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.639 It's absolutely terrible. And if we look as well as 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.120 what's happening in New South Wales, there was a really 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:45.960 great story today the Daily Telegraph by James Willis, and 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.560 he writes our quote, farmers are tearing up their contracts 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.520 with green energy companies, alleging they've not been paid to 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.679 allow wind farms near their property. This is a standoff 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.080 near Crookwell and Regional New South Wales, and also includes 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.800 claims from land owners that the new turbine have breached 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:01.720