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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Cadillac confirms Valtrie Botas and Sergio Perez

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Speaker 1: will form it's inaugural driver lineup in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: and we look ahead to this weekend's Dutch Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: and the final ten rounds of the championship battle between

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Speaker 1: Osco Piastri and Lando Norris. My name is Michael Lomonato.

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Speaker 1: It's great to have your company and the company of

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Speaker 1: my co host KitKat. Cadillac give Pez a home. It's

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Speaker 1: Matt Playton.

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Speaker 2: That is one of your better intros, I must say,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, always talk about Kitkats. I didn't go out

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Speaker 2: and buy one today, actually not in tribute of Sergio

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Speaker 2: Perro's being back, but they were just cheap, so I

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Speaker 2: decided on cheap out and buy some good chocolate.

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Speaker 3: But there you go. He's back.

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Speaker 2: And I guess if you'd said at the start of

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Speaker 2: this season the likelihood of Sergio Perez being in Formula

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Speaker 2: one in twenty twenty six and Christian Horder not being

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Speaker 2: in Formula one in twenty twenty six, you would have

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Speaker 2: got some pretty good odds. You probably would have got

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Speaker 2: no odds because no one would have seen that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, remarkable twist of face, isn't it. Yeah, scholar should

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Speaker 1: be out, but Sergia Peis is back in. You can

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Speaker 1: chart it to in fact, that those lines to intersect.

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Speaker 1: Though the more struggles that second red bull seed has had,

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Speaker 1: the harder it was for horned toling On, But the

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Speaker 1: better of the odds were of Sergio Peis convincing he

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Speaker 1: was worth a crack to come back.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, it was like two fingers of a kinkat just

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Speaker 2: break it up. Sergia can stay the other way, he

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Speaker 2: can give to somebody else. That's how this works.

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Speaker 1: It's the perfect chocolate, really, isn't it. If you want

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Speaker 1: to sponsor us, kidcat, we are very available to chocolate sponsorship,

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Speaker 1: even if it's in kind. I'm perfectly happy with that.

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Speaker 1: That was the news of the mid season break. Thankfully,

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Speaker 1: formed On enjoyed an actual mid season break before this

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Speaker 1: frenetic final ten races of the season came in the

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Speaker 1: week leading up to the Dutch Grand Prix just a

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Speaker 1: day or so ago, depending on when you're listening to this,

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Speaker 1: It is that Vultry Potas and Sergio peir Is the

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Speaker 1: true most heavily rumored drivers to be connected to Cadillac

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Speaker 1: are connected to Cadillac on contracts that'll see them race

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Speaker 1: for the new team next season. I think it makes

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Speaker 1: this team, immediately, despite being brand new, the most experienced

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Speaker 1: lineup on the grid and the oldest, which is also

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Speaker 1: pretty remarkable, but probably tell us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: how long Potacid pairs have been around. It's five hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty seven Grand Prix starts between them, sixteen Grand

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Speaker 1: Prix victories, twenty three poles, one hundred and six podium trophies.

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Speaker 1: I mean that sounds pretty good for a team that

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Speaker 1: barely exists, has no car, and is understaffed.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to congratulate and Creunrichlake Cadillac for organizing a

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Speaker 2: fantastic driver line up for twenty nineteen. I think it's

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Speaker 2: a really, really solid pairing for the twenty nineteen season.

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Speaker 2: All we've moved on from there, but I must admit,

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Speaker 2: look A, this shows you the power of you in

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Speaker 2: this podcast, because you were able to almost get through

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Speaker 2: the entire mid season break before you had to come

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Speaker 2: back and do an emergency pod. So I'm glad you

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Speaker 2: had the line into Cadillac for this week. But I

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Speaker 2: don't know about you, but when I saw the lineup,

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Speaker 2: it was of no great surprise, and I was a

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Speaker 2: little bit uninspired. And then I thought about it and thought,

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Speaker 2: but what else were they going to do? Because you

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Speaker 2: look at where Cadillac's starting from next year. It's hard

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Speaker 2: enough to bring a new team into Formula One as

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Speaker 2: it is, and then it's equal it's doubly hard, but

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Speaker 2: you've got a new rule set where you're not even

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Speaker 2: playing with an existing set of regulations that you can

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Speaker 2: try and bring this new team in with. So this

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Speaker 2: is going to be a season for them of variables

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Speaker 2: under every stone. And one way you remove one of

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Speaker 2: those variables is you take the driver variable out of

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Speaker 2: the equation. You've got two wise experience heads. You read

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Speaker 2: the CV, it's all very impressive. If things aren't going

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Speaker 2: great for Cadillac next year, and newsflash, they probably won't

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Speaker 2: for a long part of the season. It's not going

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Speaker 2: what if we had some more experienced drivers in there? So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: a little bit uninspiring, but part of me was like, well,

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Speaker 2: little bit surprised, not so much to see Botasspack on

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Speaker 2: It felt like Sergio Perez was absolutely capital d done

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Speaker 2: that spiraled so badly, So you do wonder how much

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Speaker 2: of it is experience, how much of it is for

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Speaker 2: marketing reasons. It gives this team instant credibility before they've

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Speaker 2: turned a wheel, the fact that they've got the signatures

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Speaker 2: of these two guys with the CVS that you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know how you felt about the driver lineup.

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Speaker 2: Part of me was like, well, if it wasn't these two,

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Speaker 2: then who was going to be?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, in fact, if you were to

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Speaker 1: scroll back to our interview with Mario Andretti, who's a

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Speaker 1: non executive director on the board or one of those

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Speaker 1: American style titles, yes, who sort of said it as

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Speaker 1: much as like, well, there aren't very many drivers available.

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Speaker 1: When we tried to question about who his team was

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Speaker 1: of relatively inexperienced drivers, you know, drivers like Joe BrandNew

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Speaker 1: you're then looking at straight up rookie drivers who would

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Speaker 1: need time to be broken into Formula One by a

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Speaker 1: including obviously an older car. They're going to buy or

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Speaker 1: team activities, but that's still not really the same thing,

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Speaker 1: so that would just be giving yourself automatically a start

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Speaker 1: on the back foot and a massive backfoot. It was

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Speaker 1: turned up in a year when two massively experienced drivers

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Speaker 1: Valtribotas's cases kept himself in the paddock because he's been

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Speaker 1: think for them is actually quite complementary. To talk more

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Speaker 1: Hamilton's the most poles of any driver in Formula one history,

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Speaker 1: then Sergio peir Is. Okay, there is this question mark

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Speaker 1: about Red Bull racing. May we talk about this in

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Speaker 1: it hopes to be there at some point during the

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Speaker 1: course of his contract. A guy who tends who has

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Speaker 1: There is that question mark over his last couple of

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Speaker 1: satisfied it has answered itself. But on paper, these two

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Speaker 1: thoroughly put the car through its paces, as well as,

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Speaker 1: as you said, being a sufficient known quantity that you

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Speaker 1: he's not cutting it? Is he losing his confidence?

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Speaker 3: Whatever?

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Speaker 1: You know what you're getting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, two veterans with complimentary skill sets, I think is

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Speaker 2: the key point there. You mentioned that Botas has had

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Speaker 2: the one lap pace. To my mind, you know, you

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Speaker 2: And yes, the Red Bull stuff was a disaster by

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Speaker 2: But what's interesting to me is, yeah, it's a perfectly

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Speaker 2: move along in the next three to four years, who's

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Speaker 2: to take into account there it's not just about driving,

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Speaker 2: it's about presence and marketability and everything else. That's who

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Speaker 2: has the longest staying power of these two?

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Speaker 3: Do you think? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really interesting question because they've also

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Speaker 1: both already been through the ringer during their careers, right

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Speaker 1: veltrii Botas talked really openly about the confidence hit of

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Speaker 1: They've both had that mental toughness developed in them to

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Speaker 1: question of, Okay, which of these guys are you going

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Speaker 1: to keep? That's a really good question. I think for

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Speaker 1: me at the moment, Valtrie Bodas is the guy who stays,

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Speaker 1: his consistency. I think at Mercedes, okay, you always dip

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Speaker 1: that was relative to Lewis Hamilton, right, and he was

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Speaker 1: He was never embarrassingly off the pace. He never had

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Speaker 1: those Perez spells where you're like, oh god, he's out

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Speaker 2: But look, miya, I'm going to go moves plural of

433
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Speaker 2: the week because this was a very odd track where

434
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Speaker 2: apparently you couldn't overtake and a check by the name

435
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,200
Speaker 2: of Juge Martin started sixteenth on the grid on Sunday

436
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Speaker 2: and finished fourth and made an absolute mockery of the

437
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Speaker 2: fact that you can't overtake. He made up seven places

438
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Speaker 2: on the first lap, so that was pretty handy. He

439
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,520
Speaker 2: is looking quite ominous for a guy who's done four

440
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,320
Speaker 2: Grand Prix this year on a bike that he doesn't

441
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Speaker 2: even know. He actually said after the race that he

442
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 2: was still playing around with the positioning of the handlebars

443
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,600
Speaker 2: and settings and things as the race was about to begin,

444
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Speaker 2: and then propably just blasted everybody on the first lap there.

445
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,240
Speaker 2: So we know that the aprilia is coming on really strong.

446
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 2: We know how good he is. We also know that

447
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 2: he's getting back to full fitness and now he's in

448
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 2: love with the team and it's all fantastic.

449
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Speaker 3: Everything's unky dory. It wasn't a.

450
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Speaker 2: Few weeks ago watch this space, but moves of the

451
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Speaker 2: week to finish twelve places higher than you started on

452
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Speaker 2: a track where you apparently can't pass the stat for

453
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Speaker 2: me his teammate Marco Betzek. He started second on the

454
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Speaker 2: grid and Jey Martin finished three seconds behind him after

455
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Speaker 2: twenty six laps and started fourteen places below. Yeah, he

456
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 2: might be on the way back, But I'm going Moves

457
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Speaker 2: of the week because quite frankly, there were so many

458
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Speaker 2: of them. I'm wondering, given the relative dearth of motorspoort

459
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Speaker 2: options for this week, where you are going with this,

460
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,680
Speaker 2: Because I know you were watching Moto GP, but there

461
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 2: was no four wheel action for you, So what have

462
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Speaker 2: you got?

463
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very tempted to find something a little

464
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Speaker 1: bit left of center, but I enjoyed obviously. I enjoyed

465
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Speaker 1: watching Mojo of V this weekend because there was certainly

466
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Speaker 1: nothing else on the motorsport field to watch. And I'm

467
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Speaker 1: going to go with Marco Beitzeki though, Yeah, for his

468
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Speaker 1: I guess this count as a move of the week,

469
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Speaker 1: doesn't it?

470
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Speaker 3: Where he retook the lead.

471
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Speaker 1: The first and second turns early in the race, when

472
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Speaker 1: Mark Marquez was inevitably attempting to pass for Leed he

473
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Speaker 1: did eventually take. But it's become so inevitable, hasn't it.

474
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 1: We've often seen Mark Markez lose the lead, start of

475
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: the race whatever, and you just know it's a matter

476
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Speaker 1: of time until he gets there. And then he gets there,

477
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 1: and then you think, all right, well the race is

478
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Speaker 1: done now before there's twenty laps to go. But then

479
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Speaker 1: when Buttzeki fought this one back, it was so unusual

480
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 1: that it made me physically sit up straight and go,

481
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Speaker 1: oh is this going? Are we going to have a

482
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Speaker 1: race here? And I think we did for one will

483
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: lap and then Marquez was inevitable. But just for that

484
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: little bit of injection of hope, that all this race

485
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Speaker 1: might actually not go the way I expected. And because

486
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Speaker 1: it was a great move, well, judge, you know not

487
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Speaker 1: everyone can pull that off. Obviously, it's Mark Maker's way

488
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: win so much I'm giving it to bit.

489
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Speaker 3: I like it.

490
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Speaker 2: It's two races in a row that Berzeki's lost the

491
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Speaker 2: lead immediately fought back and put a pass on Marquees

492
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Speaker 2: and made Marquez go deeper into the book of well

493
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Speaker 2: where can I pass you? Because he's never he never

494
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Speaker 2: tries to make the same overtake twice in the same

495
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Speaker 2: part of the race track. He made him have a

496
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Speaker 2: reset and think again. He did it at the Red

497
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Speaker 2: Bull Ring, did it on the weekend. But yeah, was

498
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Speaker 2: saying before that probally is really coming along and forcing

499
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Speaker 2: Mark Marquees to actually have to sweat to win races.

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Speaker 3: At the moment.

501
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Speaker 2: If you've done that, then you're doing a pretty damn

502
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Speaker 2: good job because no one seems to be able to

503
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Speaker 2: beat him. So yeah, I do like that suggestion for you.

504
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Speaker 1: He nicely done sweat, but not too much the good

505
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Speaker 1: scheme of things. Let's move on now to this weekend's

506
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Speaker 1: Formula one Dutch Grand Prix. The resumption of the season.

507
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Speaker 1: Ten rounds to go, I said earlier. It annoys me

508
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: the mid season break is not exactly the middle of

509
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Speaker 1: the year, but I do like coming back and saying

510
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 1: ten rounds to go. It's a very nice round. Number

511
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Speaker 1: Four of those rounds will be complete in the next

512
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Speaker 1: five weekends, which is alarming, but it does mean we

513
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Speaker 1: will be that much closer to finding out who will

514
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Speaker 1: win the championship. It's Oscar Piastri, only just ahead of

515
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Speaker 1: Lando Norris, nine points after the Hungarian Grand Prix, which

516
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Speaker 1: Landon Norris won ahead of Oscar Piastre. Many one two's

517
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Speaker 1: now going McLaren's way, which does make you think, actually,

518
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Speaker 1: for most of the remaining races, and we might get

519
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Speaker 1: into this in a little moment, we're probably looking at

520
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Speaker 1: a lot of straight fights between these two drivers, though

521
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Speaker 1: I think in my mental calendar anyway, there are a

522
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Speaker 1: couple of asterisks there about some other players. But let's

523
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Speaker 1: look ahead to this Dutch Grand Prix first, because last

524
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Speaker 1: year this was all about Lando Norris. Scott Pole not

525
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Speaker 1: for the first time, couldn't hold Pole off the line,

526
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Speaker 1: but made very easy work of Maxis stab And, who

527
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Speaker 1: had never been defeated at his Home Grand Prix Stampy's

528
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Speaker 1: authority on this race back when he thought maybe he

529
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Speaker 1: could win the Driver's champions if he did not. But

530
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Speaker 1: Oscar Piastric can barably have had a more difficult weekend,

531
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Speaker 1: and I wonder whether or not we can read anything

532
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Speaker 1: into that as a form guide twelve months on.

533
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know about that.

534
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Speaker 2: I know, when you said we were going to talk

535
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Speaker 2: about the Dutch Grand Prix, I'd actually done a real

536
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: deep dive and in depth analysis on the lyrics to

537
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: the super Mac song.

538
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 3: For you, but clearly we're not going to go down

539
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 3: that part. So I've done all that research.

540
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 2: Or nothing, but you like, well, it'll be shut. But

541
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Speaker 2: it's interesting in that you know, you mentioned this is

542
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 2: going to be an ongoing storyline for the remainder of

543
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: the season, talking about, well, how has Oscar Piastre done

544
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: at these particular races previously, And I'm almost saying that

545
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Speaker 2: what he's done at these particular races previously is irrelevant

546
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Speaker 2: because he's not the same Oscar Piastre in twenty twenty five.

547
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Speaker 2: He's come along a very very long way in a

548
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Speaker 2: very very short time. Again referencing something that Alex Jakes

549
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: was saying on our last podcast, we know that the

550
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Speaker 2: name is the same and the still unruffled and all

551
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: of the character traits, but we've not seen a hell

552
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 2: of a lot of legacy play the year With Piastre,

553
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: he continues to raise the bar on what we think

554
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: he can achieve, So I'm not sure historical precedent's going

555
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Speaker 2: to make a massive play for the rest of the season.

556
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Speaker 2: As far as he goes, we'll read far more into it.

557
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: With Norris, you mentioned obviously he won here last year.

558
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: I think we're much more likely to say, well, this

559
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: is a Norris track. This one's not a Norris track

560
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: right now. They all could be Pastre tracks, because I

561
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: don't know if there's necessarily what we've seen on the

562
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Speaker 2: previous fourteen rounds. There's no places where we go, well,

563
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Speaker 2: he's not a great year, or he's a bit susceptible.

564
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Speaker 3: There.

565
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: He's changed the perception of what we think he can

566
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Speaker 2: achieve this year. I think in the short short term,

567
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: if we're talking about the Dutch Grand Prix, the thing

568
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Speaker 2: we have to remember here is that this will be

569
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Speaker 2: the fifth one since it's been back on the calendar

570
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. This is a Saturday qualifying race.

571
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Speaker 2: All of these have been won on one from pole

572
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Speaker 2: position and the only two years that they weren't absolute

573
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Speaker 2: routes for the winner where when we had late safety

574
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Speaker 2: cars in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. All

575
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Speaker 2: four of these races have been won by the polesitter

576
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Speaker 2: and twenty one and twenty four by massive margins. It's

577
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Speaker 2: a fun driver's track which when you hear the drivers

578
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Speaker 2: say that is code for it.

579
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Speaker 3: You can't pass. It's very very narrow, it's very very

580
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Speaker 3: high speed.

581
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Speaker 2: It looks wonderful on TV, but you've got the combination

582
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Speaker 2: of corners, how wide these cars are, and it's a

583
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Speaker 2: very very attractive high speed procession, but a procession nonetheless.

584
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Speaker 2: So to my mind, I bringing this really ramps the

585
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Speaker 2: pressure up for qualifying. I think there's going to be

586
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 2: huge stakes in qualifying, by the way. I do like

587
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Speaker 2: the fact that qualifying is an hour earlier, by the

588
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Speaker 2: way for this race. I'm not sure why wonderful news

589
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Speaker 2: so Saturday night. I don't care why, just say thanks,

590
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Speaker 2: But I think you know you have these races like

591
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Speaker 2: Suzuka is a bit like that to watch now in

592
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Speaker 2: that you know that qualifying carries outside importance, and in

593
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Speaker 2: a championship fight where the margins are so fine between teammates,

594
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: Q two Q three becomes massive on Saturdays. I'm super

595
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Speaker 2: looking forward to that the race, unless you get a

596
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: bit of weather or a bit of chaos, that's a

597
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: little bit artificially injected. Maybe not so much, but I

598
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Speaker 2: do think that this strikes me as a race where

599
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 2: Norris has proved it. Here he's been particularly good, so

600
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 2: it's not so much a free swing for Piastre. But

601
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Speaker 2: I think if he's able to be ahead of or

602
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Speaker 2: on part with Norris for the majority of the weekend,

603
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Speaker 2: I think that's a super positive because I don't know

604
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Speaker 2: about you, but going into this this feels more like

605
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Speaker 2: a Norris weekend than a Piastre weekend, and obviously if

606
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Speaker 2: the reverse is true, that's psychologically a pretty big feather

607
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Speaker 2: for Piastre this time of year.

608
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I like the way you put it.

609
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Speaker 1: It's more about which tracks and Norris tracks, and not

610
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Speaker 1: Norris tracks. You kin't of expect Piastri to be there

611
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Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, he's worst qualifying result this

612
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Speaker 1: year is fourth, and likewise his worst finishing result I

613
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Speaker 1: includ Australia obviously, which is an outlier in terms of

614
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Speaker 1: how he got there, but in terms of pure pace

615
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Speaker 1: he was Canada a fourth place, just off the podium,

616
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Speaker 1: so you know he's always going to be a threat,

617
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Speaker 1: whereas Norris has been much more up and down. And

618
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Speaker 1: this to me looks a lot like the Austrian Grand Prix.

619
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Speaker 1: Obviously the history is a little bit less solid in

620
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: Norris's favor, but he was just very good last year

621
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Speaker 1: to qualify Max fistappen the margin Oscar Piastre was half

622
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: a second in qualifying Piastre. Yes, he had to fight back,

623
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Speaker 1: and this is such a difficult overtaking track that it

624
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: meant he was never going to get back in touch

625
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Speaker 1: with the leader. Similar to Hungary, should have gone for

626
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Speaker 1: Norris except for the strategy twist that ended up happening.

627
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: Maybe the same will happen in reverse year. But if

628
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: Piastre can really solidly challenge Norris this weekend, then suddenly

629
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Speaker 1: I do feel like we might start to talk about

630
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: not necessarily momentum, but that being a bit of a

631
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Speaker 1: sign that this next part of the year, which was

632
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: mostly difficult for Piastre last season. Once we left Europe anyway,

633
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: might actually be a little bit more in his favor

634
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 1: and you might start to feel more confident with that

635
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: kind of margin. To my mind, there maybe only two

636
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: or three other, not let's say Norris circuits that I'd

637
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Speaker 1: be looking at in terms of his performance. I think

638
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: the following one from the Dutch Grand Prix. It is

639
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: in Italy despite him having got poll there last year.

640
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: He was very solid in Singapore. Yes, Singapore is a

641
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: little bit of an unusual circuit last year, but he

642
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: was really solid from start to finish in a weekend

643
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: that maybe could have got him back into title contention

644
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: again that obviously never quite happened. It was a similar

645
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: result for Piastre, who qualified poorly and that set up

646
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: his rais. But the one after that, for me, I

647
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Speaker 1: think it's going to be and I think its position

648
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: in the run could be really important. Is the United

649
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: States Grand Prix is the track Piastre he has never

650
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: really clicked with, Yes in the sport for two years

651
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: prior this, but in those two years never really clicked

652
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: with it. Norris comparatively has, so the measure of Piastre

653
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: in the last two years there. I think if that

654
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: could be one if the points remained as close as

655
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: they are up to the United States Grand Prix, which

656
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: is fifth in this block of ten races to close

657
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: the championship, that could tell us which direction the wind

658
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: is blowing well.

659
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: And the other factor to take into account here is

660
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: that we've talked about this all year and it's going

661
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: to be something we talk about more as we get

662
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: to the end of the season. The other teams are

663
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: not massively incentivized now to be pushing for major performance

664
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: because you've got this twenty twenty six rule set coming

665
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: in and effectively you're just spending money on things that

666
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: are going in the bin at the end of these

667
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: ten races. So I do wonder that even on whichever

668
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: one of the McLaren drivers is having an inverted Commas

669
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: bad day, I still wonder if a bad day is

670
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: still second place, and this might become one of those

671
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: championships where I'm not ruling out one or two maxivstap

672
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: and wins before the end of this season, because I

673
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: think of places like Mexico and I think of Brazil,

674
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: particularly when it rains. Let's be honest, not if it

675
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: rains it will at some point over the course of

676
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: the season he will be one of those guys who

677
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: will stick his nose in and have one of those

678
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: weird interloping results where he might finish, he might split

679
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: the McLaren somewhere. You could see that happening. But I

680
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: think as this boils down to an intra team championship fight,

681
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: there's two things to watch. For me, what are the

682
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: other nine teams doing? And if they're going for race

683
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: wins and putting a lot of resource in twenty twenty five,

684
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: then I'd ask what on earth are they do in

685
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: because this season's gone as far as they're concerned. And

686
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: then how McLaren plays this strategically. Because we know that

687
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: the constructors Championship is done, they're going to win the

688
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: Driver's Championship. We just don't know which drivers going to

689
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: win it. So you do wonder they've been so you know,

690
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: they haven't split strategies necessarily. Norris has thrown a couple

691
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: of hail Mary's with tire strategies, one of which has

692
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: worked and one of which hasn't. In recent races, you

693
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: do wonder if they allow strategic intra team fighting to

694
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: happen when the result at the end of the races

695
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: that McLaren's going to win, and that will be really

696
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: interesting to see if that because they held the line

697
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: on that they haven't done that, but allowing the drivers

698
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: to perhaps try to use different means to achieve the

699
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: same end given that you're going to win both championships anyway.

700
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: I think that's a storyline to watch as we head

701
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: deeper into this last ten races.

702
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: It's difficult to hypothesize a great example of it, but

703
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: I think it would be very difficult for McLaren to

704
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: walk away from a where they haven't allowed one of

705
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: its drivers to attack the other driver because they wanted

706
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: to secure let's say a one two for the team

707
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: or whatever maximize the team result when there's really nothing

708
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: on the line in the Constructors Championship anymore. I think

709
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: that'd be a very difficult position for McLaren to take

710
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: in a year they've worked really hard to be fair

711
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: between its drivers. I think the definition of fair has

712
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: changed now that they're so far ahead. Earlier in the year.

713
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: We can compare it to the very first round in

714
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: Australia where they called off the fighting somewhat controversially before

715
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: managed to make a move, but it was for the

716
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: team greater good. They wanted to make sure they didn't

717
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: lose a victory in the very first race of the

718
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: year to maxim stuff and like they had so many

719
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: times the previous year, rain on the radar, backpackers, all

720
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I kind of get that. Then,

721
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: when there are no points and everyone doesn't know where

722
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: the field lies, there's no reason to make a call

723
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: like that again now because there is nothing on the

724
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: line for the team but everything on the line for

725
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: the drivers.

726
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's fast forward here.

727
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: Let's just say we're in Abu Dhabi and one of

728
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: them's on pole and one of them second. So the

729
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: one that's on pole is going to Shoo's strategy the

730
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: preferable strategy. Are they going to allow the second driver

731
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: to perhaps take a different strategic approach to the race

732
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: in an attempt to win the World championship. If we

733
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: have a live championship fight where the only outcome is

734
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: that McLaren's going to win the World Championship, are they

735
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: going to allow that to happen, because that would be

736
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: different to what they have done throughout the season. Now,

737
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: obviously for the spectacle. We would love to see that

738
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: because you don't just want the championship to be decided.

739
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: If we have a live championship in the final round,

740
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: you don't want it to come down to who qualifies

741
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: fastest out of the two of them, and then they

742
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: both just mimic each other's strategy and on a track

743
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: where you can't overtake, it'll come down to the first

744
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: quarter and that'll be that. We actually hope that you'll

745
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: get some sort of strategic fight between the two of

746
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: them where they're coming at it from different approaches. I

747
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: hope that is permitted. It won't that be a storyline?

748
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: A Is it going to be permitted? And B will

749
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: that depend on who's leading the championship coming into these

750
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: last the final rounds of the season, which whether it's

751
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: the British driver or Thestructing driver that's leading the world

752
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: champion and how that's going to play out because we

753
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: know how it's going to be done in the commentary

754
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: that we hear here in Australia. We also know a

755
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: lot of the English language content that all Formula One

756
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: fans consume in Australia. We know where that comes from,

757
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: so they'll be super interesting to see how that plays out.

758
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: Given the backdrop of how we're going to consume that

759
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: championship fight.

760
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: I'm for what. I'm all for it.

761
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: I'm hoping it does come down to this last couple

762
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: of races where we do have to see McLaren perhaps

763
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: take the hands off the will a little bit and

764
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: just let them sort it out. Because at the end

765
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: of the day we'll look back at twenty twenty five

766
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: and say a McLaren driver won the World Championship and

767
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: the McLaren won the Constructors Championship. Horay, what a fantastic year.

768
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: How we get there's the important bit.

769
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, particularly for us in the last ten rounds. Just briefly,

770
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: I want to talk about some of those possibilities for

771
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: other drivers to and you mentioned Maxwistap and sow Paolo.

772
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: That just sounds about right. Mexico City as well, was

773
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: pretty quick there last year, except had a bit of

774
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: a brain explosion racing Lando Norris. Don't know who he

775
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: might have finished in a regular situation. I'm keeping an

776
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: eye though on the Italian Grand Prix for two reasons.

777
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: One is Ferrari just almost always seems to do well there.

778
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: Chickuly in a year where they don't have much going on,

779
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: they tend to them think, oh, how can we do

780
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: well at the home race. But not only that, but

781
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: the layout on paper should also suit Mercedes at least

782
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: if it's not too hot, long, straight, slow Chicanes very

783
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: similar on paper at least to Canada. And by that

784
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: same token, of course, Las Vegas almost the biggest outlier

785
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: on this part of the calendar. It is Las Vegas

786
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: taking place a little bit earlier in the evening this year,

787
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: so it won't be quite as chilly as it has

788
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: been in previously. I think it's five pm local maybe

789
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: or seven pm local, whatever it is. It's good here,

790
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: that's all you need to know. But it is still

791
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: cold there. It is still a night race that the

792
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: layout is very fast, straight, slow corners. Mercedes dominated this

793
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: race last year with a one too and lowse Hamilton's

794
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: hated a tenth from memory and still finished a competitive second.

795
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: I think there are opportunities for and Las Vegas is

796
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: an interesting one considering it's so lo late in the year.

797
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: What is that third last round I think of the

798
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: season where suddenly you have a really close title fight,

799
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: the seven points between them, whatever, and one McLaren driver

800
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: finishes second the other one fifth because McLaren's been pushed

801
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: around a bit as they were last year, that could

802
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: really space things up.

803
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 2: Well, wouldn't it be funny if you know, we've talked

804
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: about wins and podiums and all these one twos and

805
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: everything else, and it might be decided by Norris finishing

806
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: sixth and Pastri finishing eighth because the car doesn't work

807
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: and it's freezing cold, and there's all these other guys

808
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: that would have no business being in front of them

809
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: being in front of them. If that becomes the decisive

810
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: factor in a season where they're going to win eighty

811
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: percent of the races between them, wouldn't that be just

812
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: very Las Vegas Forbula one.

813
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: I think if it's not going to go to Abu Dhabi,

814
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: and I suspect it will, then it'll surely just be

815
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: decided in the sprint and Katar the pronouncement round.

816
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 3: We've done that before, let's not do that again.

817
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: Deeply underwhelming, but it we'll be fascinating to see how

818
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: this one unfolds because there is so little in it.

819
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: The only thing I think we've really learned in that

820
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: last month before the mid season break. Is that if

821
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: Lando Norris really has got over his qualifying problems and

822
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: he hasn't had a qualifying mistake since Canada so quite

823
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: a while ago, then there really is almost nothing to

824
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: pick between these two drivers as a fight we thought

825
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: we were going to get at the start of the year.

826
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: It seems like it's back on and now it's ten

827
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: races to settle who will win McLaren's first drivers' championship

828
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: since Lewis Hamilton.

829
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: Wow loud, Yeah, incredible. Interesting.

830
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: Let's wrap this one up with a visit to the

831
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: crystal Ball by complete home filtration, deliberately just forgetting the

832
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: things I've predicted in previous races in previous weekends, because

833
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: they're almost always wrong. Please don't let that turn you off.

834
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: But I'll start with you, Matt, what are you predicting?

835
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: Look, I feel bad saying this. I'm going to preface

836
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: this by saying, don't take my passport away.

837
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: I need it. It's very, very important.

838
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: My crystal ball is telling me that Oscar Piastri is

839
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: going to relinquish the leader of the World Championship for

840
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: the first time since Saudi Arabia in round five this

841
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: weekend when he finishes third behind Pulses, Orlando Norris and

842
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: Max for Stafford. Now I say that my passport I

843
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: think will be fine because when I make predictions on

844
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: the Crystal Ball, ninety nine percent of them are complete rubbish.

845
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: So what I just said in the last fifteen seconds

846
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: will not happen. But that's kind of where I'm going

847
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: because I feel this is a strong Norris track, perhaps

848
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: not a great Piastre track, and I can see Max

849
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: just doing one of the super Max things and perhaps

850
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: doing this Suzuka special of just parking himself in front

851
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: of a faster car and not making a mistake for

852
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: seventy two laps. But I'd like to be wrong. But yeah,

853
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to hold onto my passport just in case.

854
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: What have you got for me?

855
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: I like that? Well I don't like that, but I

856
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: like where you're going with it. Anyway, It's still be

857
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: nine or I we'd be back next week saying still

858
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: nine rounds to go.

859
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: Don't worry, that's right.

860
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 1: I'm going with in this. You know, in this era

861
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: of blockbuster concert tours sellouts, everyone's talking about the tours.

862
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm predicting the biggest tour yet the Sergio pair. As

863
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: I told you, so, tour commences now he's going to

864
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: be at first this. I don't know if he's going

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Speaker 1: to be the Dutch ground free this weekend. I know

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Speaker 1: he's pretty much commenced work with Cadillac immediately, but he's

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Speaker 1: already started at the press conference announcing his signature for

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Speaker 1: Cadillac next year. And I quote, I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: nothing to prove, not just because of the current Red

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Speaker 1: Bull Racing drivers or the next drivers that are in

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Speaker 1: my seat, but even the drivers before that. Everyone forgets it.

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Speaker 1: But it's a very tricky place to be. They've scored

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Speaker 1: like five points for the entire season. Don't forget how

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Speaker 1: many points he scored one hundred order fantastic. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think this is going to be NonStop. He says he's

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Speaker 1: got nothing to prove, he's certainly acting like a man

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Speaker 1: who's got something to prove. Yes, we've only got six

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Speaker 1: more months of this.

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Speaker 2: In media speak, I think we call that Sergio will

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Speaker 2: be available for interview, I believe is the term that

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Speaker 2: we might hear over the course of the weekend. But no,

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Speaker 2: I do like that very much because I love a

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Speaker 2: good rewriting of history from a position of advantage. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be wonderful. The fact that Christian Horde is

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Speaker 2: not in the paddict to run up to sky and

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Speaker 2: refute every single thing that he says is going to

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Speaker 2: be fantastic. Can I extingd you with a bonus miniature

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Speaker 2: crystal ball question, like a very small golf ball size,

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Speaker 2: not the Las Vegas to be a size crystal ball?

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Speaker 2: How many times is the Championship League going to change

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Speaker 2: between now and the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a great question. It's annoying because it's just

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Speaker 1: over seven. But if we assume there's going to be

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Speaker 1: a first and a third in there could change regularly.

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Speaker 1: I reckon, I reckon, we're going to get I better

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Speaker 1: say it's a number. Obviously, go get three three lead.

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Speaker 1: I do know it needs to be even number, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: We have four lead changes. I beg your pardon. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well that's a lot. That's almost every second round.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is why this is why I've just set

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Speaker 2: you up, because as you were going through that, I reckon,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'll be two. I think could be

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Speaker 1: this weekend. Why not let's go with your crystal ball.

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Speaker 1: It's it gonna be right, And then why don't we

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Speaker 1: say it interesting sprints just for a bit of excitement.

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Speaker 2: Oscar Pastric sweet Spot, the Caitask Briunt. But isn't it interesting?

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Speaker 2: With ten rounds to go and you're looking at it? Oh,

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Speaker 2: it's so finally pause you think how many times is

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Speaker 2: this championship lead actually going to change hands? And when

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Speaker 2: you start thinking about force, like, oh, that is quite

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Speaker 2: a lot, isn't it, considering it hasn't changed hands since

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Speaker 2: round five? Yeah, super super interesting, but just a miniature

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Speaker 2: crystal ball just to completely hijack your running order for

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Speaker 2: the end of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: No, that's good. I like that's a great question. Can

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Speaker 1: be pondering that one and the lead up to the

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Speaker 1: Dutch Grand Prix, particularly if it happens this weekend. But

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Speaker 1: that's all the time we have for pit Talk today.

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Speaker 1: This weekend it is the Formula one Dutch Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: and me Michael Lomonado. Thanks very much for your company

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