WEBVTT - Getting Vulnerable With The Imperfects 

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<v Speaker 1>I record this podcast on Gaetgol Country. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>pay my respect to the traditional.

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<v Speaker 2>Custodians and I'm recording o Urando Country, part of the

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<v Speaker 2>Cooler Nation. Let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're going to dig this. It's like I've

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<v Speaker 1>been given like an extra sprinkle of something.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got layers, Yeah, I got layers. I was just thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, we're just such beautiful storytellers.

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<v Speaker 1>You make a lot of sense to that girl. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done, honest to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, Manny and I have the pleasure of inviting the

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<v Speaker 2>imperfects onto our podcast. The trio are usually the interviewers,

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<v Speaker 2>but today we're going to be interviewing you. I honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>the first five minutes of us being in the room together,

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<v Speaker 2>I like opened up already, so I can tell that

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast is this going to be No, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to actually even it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Bat. I think that's because we came in just probing

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<v Speaker 3>your dating life, and you're just an honest per the exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also the relationship that we have.

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<v Speaker 5>Whereas because when you came on our podcast, you were

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<v Speaker 5>very open and vulnerable, so maybe that you're just used

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<v Speaker 5>to it when you see.

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<v Speaker 3>Us, maybe your episode in our podcast comes up a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>We get asked a lot of the time, what are

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<v Speaker 3>the memorial interviews? Your interview is one that will start

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<v Speaker 3>with us forever. We do a lot of like events

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<v Speaker 3>where people say what's the what's the interview? And your

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<v Speaker 3>name comes up every single time, and we will still

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<v Speaker 3>get feedback on We still get people messaging us about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, it was unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, that was going to be a question for later on,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel like we jumped it on, like how.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be, Like you've actually had that impact

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<v Speaker 1>because you see people come up to you on the

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<v Speaker 1>street and say, you know, they recognize that you're on

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<v Speaker 1>their podcast and talk to you about that conversation. So

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<v Speaker 1>obviously that was a powerful moment and that connection between

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<v Speaker 1>you and the Imperfect must have touched a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it about that conversation that allowed do you

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<v Speaker 1>brook to get so like deep with these fellows? One?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a general vibe and energy that you

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<v Speaker 2>guys give off. But the impact that that episode had

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<v Speaker 2>on me, honestly, it was a really tough time in

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<v Speaker 2>my life actually, and during that time I was going

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<v Speaker 2>through some turbulent times, but I think it felt like

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<v Speaker 2>when as soon as I walked into the room and

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<v Speaker 2>saw and met each of you, I felt safe. And

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<v Speaker 2>safe is not a big word. We talk about this

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. Don't even made it Maddie about cultural safety

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<v Speaker 2>and how important that is to feel safe to then

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<v Speaker 2>feel honest and transparent. And I'm a pretty honest person.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wouldn't say walking into a room full of

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<v Speaker 2>like three and there's no ofvents to you guys but

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<v Speaker 2>straight white males, that I would immediately feel that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, should you?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of feels like for an audition in this industry.

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<v Speaker 2>It really be like yes, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you? After that records it was such a

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<v Speaker 3>really deep and heavy at times chat that was like

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<v Speaker 3>it was like ninety minutes. I think we chat it

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<v Speaker 3>for a yeah how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Afterwards, I actually had the opportunity to relax, I think

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<v Speaker 2>after that episode, which was really nice. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's been the most vulnerable I've been other than writing

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<v Speaker 2>my book. I talked a lot of about my childhood,

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<v Speaker 2>but I hadn't really vocalized it on an episode, and

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<v Speaker 2>then maybe a few times maybe on the podcast of

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<v Speaker 2>our own, but it was I would't say liberating because

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<v Speaker 2>it's very like heavy, but it was nice that it

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<v Speaker 2>felt like it didn't define me or own me anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was happy to voice it, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>okay with voicing it. And Maddie and I talk about

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<v Speaker 2>how important it is to own your story and to

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<v Speaker 2>redefine and not feel like you're defined by you know,

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<v Speaker 2>these things that happen that are traumatic, but we love

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<v Speaker 2>actually like having authentic conversations, and you guys are just

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<v Speaker 2>we like learned so much from you, I think, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're just so curious to like how you guys made

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<v Speaker 2>this happen, Like how did you all get together? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>because you guys are family, yes, and then Ryan you,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean this is probably familiar ground in a way

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<v Speaker 2>because we've worked for Nova once before as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so how did this relationship happen?

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<v Speaker 5>Initially it wasn't three. Initially, it was just going to

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<v Speaker 5>be Hugh and I and Josh. Well, to go back

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<v Speaker 5>a step, Hugh and I met randomly at a cafe

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<v Speaker 5>in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 3>I was walking past the cafe and I saw Ryan

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<v Speaker 3>Shelton sitting in there, and I got very nervous. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>such a huge fan.

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<v Speaker 6>I have to.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to because I'd seen him a lot because

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<v Speaker 3>we live in the same suburb, and I just thought,

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<v Speaker 3>today's the day I'm going to go and tell him

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<v Speaker 3>effectively that I love him and I'm a huge chair.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that the proposals a but yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a very nice compliment.

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<v Speaker 5>So he came in and he sat next to me

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<v Speaker 5>and he said, yeah, he liked the work that I'd done,

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<v Speaker 5>but what was actually so lovely? Hugh said, explained what

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<v Speaker 5>he did. He started the resilience projects, and he did

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<v Speaker 5>these talks at schools and sporting clubs and all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was like so impressed. I was like, oh

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<v Speaker 5>my god, this guy. I thought I had an important job.

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<v Speaker 5>This guy has an actually important job, and so I

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<v Speaker 5>was so interested in And then he said, well, actually,

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<v Speaker 5>I do this talks every day, and to do this talk,

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<v Speaker 5>so I have to be really up, you know. I

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<v Speaker 5>have to be in a good mood or I have

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<v Speaker 5>to have high energy. And I don't always feel like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Like some days I feel a bit down or I

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<v Speaker 5>feel rocked by something and I don't feel like doing

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<v Speaker 5>a talk. And so before I go on stage, I

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<v Speaker 5>will watch your videos and that makes me happy, so

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<v Speaker 5>I can then go.

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<v Speaker 4>And do the pump Nation.

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<v Speaker 5>It was really really nice and so anyway, So then

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<v Speaker 5>like a couple of years later, I had a midlife

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<v Speaker 5>crisis and called, huh, we hadn't spoke.

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<v Speaker 3>We spoke after that, for it was like three years

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<v Speaker 3>we hadn't been in't we're just like I think I

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<v Speaker 3>asked Ryan for a photo and then post on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 3>so that night without my consent. Yeah, and you couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>collab back then, I would have asked for a club.

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<v Speaker 3>And because he's a very nice person, he just like

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<v Speaker 3>liked the photo and so we knew who each other were.

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<v Speaker 3>And then three years later he reached out of Instagram,

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<v Speaker 3>and so could we catch up? I still remember I

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<v Speaker 3>was in my now wife's parents' house, just like I've

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<v Speaker 3>never been so excited.

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I was sad that he had something had

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<v Speaker 3>gone wrong and he'd catch up, but I was very

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<v Speaker 3>excited to hang out. And I'm coming home that nine

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<v Speaker 3>cent to Penny in my wife then girlfriend. I think,

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<v Speaker 3>I am so confident we're going to be friends. I

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<v Speaker 3>am so confident with friends. I was very excited and

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<v Speaker 3>that never happened, but we did work together.

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<v Speaker 5>Still friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>No, That's probably one thing that I love about when

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<v Speaker 2>I came on was the follow up from each of you,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it just this just the messages and the check

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<v Speaker 2>in to see if I was okay and everything. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's probably what I've taken from you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>is like when we have guests on is just saying like,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much, because gratitude is one of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>your values. I'm assuming and yeah, I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always like really grateful for people, just like opening up

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<v Speaker 2>and then I always love to thank them and make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that they are you know, that they know that

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<v Speaker 2>it was appreciated. I think, yeah, that's you guys lead

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<v Speaker 2>an example of that.

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<v Speaker 3>With Josh joining so oh yes, Josh, we kind of

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<v Speaker 3>realized after.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys are family.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, about three years after we first met them,

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<v Speaker 3>we became friends and then decided to do podcast. And

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<v Speaker 3>then we realized we had no technical like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, don't we just record it and then

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<v Speaker 3>just send it it's a podcast, And then we decided

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<v Speaker 3>we need something to help with the technical side of things,

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<v Speaker 3>and Josh he's great with that kind of stuff, and

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<v Speaker 3>so we asked him and he started doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then.

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<v Speaker 3>Whenever we did an interview, Josh would always have a

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<v Speaker 3>question for the guest. It was off Mike, and his

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<v Speaker 3>questions always so much better than it, and so it

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<v Speaker 3>was what they were to just bring out a different

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<v Speaker 3>side of the guest and would often change that and

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<v Speaker 3>then he is getting ridiculous. Josh's questions are the best.

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<v Speaker 3>Winted to give him a microphone, so it became in

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<v Speaker 3>the background of the microphone or questions afterwards, if you

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<v Speaker 3>could think of any and then in the end it

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<v Speaker 3>just became, this is so silly not to have this

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<v Speaker 3>in an interview, and that's so it was very organic.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think I was at a

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<v Speaker 6>point in my life where I wasn't really enjoying what

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<v Speaker 6>I was doing for work outside of that, and so

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<v Speaker 6>I was really excited to have this to work on.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was so.

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<v Speaker 6>Enriching and fulfilling and sort of inspiring to work with

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<v Speaker 6>these two guys. And then yeah, I just was so

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<v Speaker 6>drawn into the incredible people that were talking to it

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<v Speaker 6>was hard not to be curious and one of us

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<v Speaker 6>questions of people when something is started and there's only

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<v Speaker 6>two people doing it on the mic, I think it

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<v Speaker 6>requires incredible generosity of spirit to say, yeah, I know

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<v Speaker 6>you should be on the mic talking as well, which

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think I've acknowledged that you guys enough, How

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<v Speaker 6>great PLA am for that, and what a big thing

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<v Speaker 6>that is. It felt natural, But I think in a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of cases people could be quite protective of that

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<v Speaker 6>space that they've created and not want to change it

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<v Speaker 6>because it was working so well. So thank you, yeah, pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask a question around, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic when it comes to putting this podcast together. What

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<v Speaker 1>is it like behind the scenes, like these conversations organically

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<v Speaker 1>you know, created in the moment, or do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>work on certain themes and topics that you really want

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<v Speaker 1>to touch on with each guest? What is it like

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes for you guys.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think that would be amiss of us not

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<v Speaker 6>to mention the people who really do bring it together,

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<v Speaker 6>Bridget Northeast as the producer and sort of I don't know, well,

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<v Speaker 6>how you just grab a bridge mum who's younger than

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<v Speaker 6>more oppressive than anyone ever. She and there's Bella who's

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<v Speaker 6>our research and assistant producer, and then George who edits

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<v Speaker 6>who are there full time, and there's other people like

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<v Speaker 6>Jam and there's lots of other people that work on

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<v Speaker 6>the show. So at the start, yeah, it was just

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<v Speaker 6>the three of us talking about what we might want

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<v Speaker 6>to talk about with a guest.

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<v Speaker 3>To be honest, it was just who do you know

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<v Speaker 3>that might go on the podcast?

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<v Speaker 4>It was pretty much that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a little bit like us as well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just kind of flicking it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's kind of the beauty of and it.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe podcasting has changed a bit now, but I mean, no,

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<v Speaker 5>this still exists, but there's now sort of I guess

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<v Speaker 5>what you'd call like a professional level of podcasting, Whereas

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<v Speaker 5>when we started it was in Australia at least, it

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<v Speaker 5>was still pretty like not slap dash, but it was

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<v Speaker 5>pretty kind of cowboyish, I guess, in how people would

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<v Speaker 5>pull a podcast together. So I think that the stakes

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<v Speaker 5>felt pretty low at the start. And when we first

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<v Speaker 5>that first year we did I think six episodes spaced

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<v Speaker 5>out across the whole year. There was no there was

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<v Speaker 5>no like regular larity to it or plan or schedule

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<v Speaker 5>or anything. It was just like, once Josh had had

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<v Speaker 5>enough time to finish editing the podcast around his other

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<v Speaker 5>actual job, that we released one and then we do

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<v Speaker 5>another one. So and then we did that for sort

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<v Speaker 5>of two years, and then iHeart jumped on board to

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<v Speaker 5>sell the ads, and then they made the very smart

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<v Speaker 5>suggestion of going like, hey, maybe you guys should think

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<v Speaker 5>about doing like regular episodes.

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<v Speaker 4>It might make it a bit easier.

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<v Speaker 5>For us to sell ads, because we wanted to get

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<v Speaker 5>a producer and to help us with more episodes, and

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<v Speaker 5>that's why we needed some ads and anyway, and so

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<v Speaker 5>then it became more of a kind of like traditional show,

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<v Speaker 5>whereas before that it was just experimenting.

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<v Speaker 7>Really yeah yeah, and now it's like the credit really

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<v Speaker 7>to the power brilliant the people are that we get

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<v Speaker 7>to work with, of how amazing that that they do this,

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<v Speaker 7>But I think it's really important as far as how

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<v Speaker 7>do you create their space for these vulnerable conversation, which

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<v Speaker 7>I think was sort of implied in the question in

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<v Speaker 7>that it's to me, it's one of my favorite things

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<v Speaker 7>that's happened this year is that when Bridget's so Bridget

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<v Speaker 7>always do a pre interview with the guests beforehand, have

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<v Speaker 7>a chat to them, find out their story, and she

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<v Speaker 7>spoke to someone who was brilliant, a wonderful person. But

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<v Speaker 7>after the conversation, she just said, I don't think they're

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<v Speaker 7>ready to talk about this in a public space. It'll

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<v Speaker 7>be too damaging for them to do it. They wanted

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<v Speaker 7>to tell their story, and she said, I think it

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<v Speaker 7>would be unsafe for them to do it, and it

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<v Speaker 7>would be bad for them and their mental health. And

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<v Speaker 7>it was a no brainer to say, I'm really sorry,

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<v Speaker 7>but we don't think you're ready it and we won't

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<v Speaker 7>have this conversation. But the fact that we genuinely do

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<v Speaker 7>put the care and safety of the guest as the

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<v Speaker 7>number one priority. I think guests feel that.

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<v Speaker 6>I hope you felt that when you came on, and

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<v Speaker 6>I think it leads to real conversations that aren't just

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<v Speaker 6>trying to get a salacious, vulnerable story because that will sell.

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<v Speaker 6>It's because there's value in telling that story and telling

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<v Speaker 6>it properly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that comes yeah with the space.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah and that yeah, and that space is created months

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<v Speaker 6>before you come into the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Credit to your team, because I feel like Maddie and

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<v Speaker 2>I really value our team equally as well, Like when

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<v Speaker 2>I feel I have opened up or I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh okay, that's something I probably should have workshopped. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when we finish the episode, Rachel's the here to hold

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<v Speaker 2>space for me. So like, I credit Race Rachel so

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<v Speaker 2>much because she's created that space, like for us to

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<v Speaker 2>speak vulnerably about whatever it is, even if we haven't

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<v Speaker 2>workshopped itself, and I'm like, can we cut that out?

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<v Speaker 6>But that trust is so important?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean yeah, and that's oh my god. I've

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<v Speaker 2>just honestly we're up to you guys, because I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like that episode was just so special to me, especially

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<v Speaker 2>my my journey, because I feel like from then, I've

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<v Speaker 2>felt really good about even if I've had the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>just with a random stranger about you know what, what

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<v Speaker 2>I've what I've learned about myself. Yeah, it's like this

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<v Speaker 2>it's taken a little bit of a bit, a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a weight off my shoulders in a sense because

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't defined by any of those experiences. I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, the episodes itself was really quite heavy,

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't feel that afterwards, So that's always great.

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<v Speaker 1>I have learned from you guys that men should be vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's actually a powerful thing. Especially it's funny when

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<v Speaker 1>you hear someone else be vulnerable, or you hear you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you blokes talk talking to another guy about some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of deep emotion or an experience that they've gone through

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<v Speaker 1>and you unpack it inside a gentle and beautiful way.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is almost like the opposite of what

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<v Speaker 1>we've been taught, you know, and the opposite of what

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<v Speaker 1>is ingrained in how we should be as men. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's even me as a as a gay man. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say, like, I see that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that about you, fellows. I want to ask, though,

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<v Speaker 1>like what did it take for you and your experiences?

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe it was something that you had growth together around,

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<v Speaker 1>but what did it take to get to that level

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<v Speaker 1>where you are able to be open, vulnerable and not

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<v Speaker 1>shy away from letting people see that emotional side.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean for me, I think I definitely I've

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<v Speaker 5>never been a traditionally like like in the way you're

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<v Speaker 5>talking about, Maddie, Like, I've never been traditionally like vulnerable person. Really,

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<v Speaker 5>Like it's not really something that was big in like

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<v Speaker 5>my house growing up like it wasn't. We didn't talk

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<v Speaker 5>about big emotions or anything like that. It was very

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<v Speaker 5>much surface level and making sure everyone felt safe and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, good, consistent. There was lots of love, but

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<v Speaker 5>not necessarily emotional conversations. And so for me, like kind

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<v Speaker 5>of ironically, the thing that got me to be vulnerable

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<v Speaker 5>was well, actually I was able to be vulnerable with you.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean that's the before we even decided to do

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<v Speaker 5>the podcast, when I like we talked about before, when

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<v Speaker 5>I first messaged to you out of the blue on

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<v Speaker 5>Instagram and say can we catch up for a coffee?

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<v Speaker 5>I'd had this sort of epiphany in my life and

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<v Speaker 5>I was it was kind of like a pre mid

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<v Speaker 5>life crisis, Like I could see the midlife crisis coming,

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<v Speaker 5>but it wasn't. I wasn't in it yet, but it

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<v Speaker 5>was like, oh shit, that's that's going to come my

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<v Speaker 5>way if I don't do something. And so I had

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<v Speaker 5>all these thoughts and this, yeah, this is kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like and I didn't know I didn't really know who

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<v Speaker 5>to talk about it. I mean, I have lots of

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<v Speaker 5>people I could talk about it, but for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 5>Hugh jumped into my head I literally hadn't seen him

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<v Speaker 5>in two years. I met him once and I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>that guy has the resilience project. He'll know what to say.

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<v Speaker 5>Like for some reason I trusted that he would know

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<v Speaker 5>and he would like treat it carefully and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>be sensitive to it. And so when I met up

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<v Speaker 5>with Hugh, I just kind of like said everything, didn't

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<v Speaker 5>I everything? I was like, yeah, just vomited vulnerability in

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<v Speaker 5>his face. And the great thing was is that he

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<v Speaker 5>didn't give me any advice or didn't even really say

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<v Speaker 5>that much. He just sort of listened and and and

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<v Speaker 5>just I don't know, like put me in touch with

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<v Speaker 5>a few different people, and but that sort of kicked off.

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<v Speaker 5>It's probably like speed ramped our relationship in a way

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<v Speaker 5>that if we had have like just bloody met at

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<v Speaker 5>the footy ground or usually how I met blokes, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>just in the nets, hitting sixes, hidden sixers in the

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<v Speaker 5>nets or spin and flippers. You know, if I hadn't

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<v Speaker 5>met him that way, then maybe the relationship might have

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<v Speaker 5>taken longer to get to that point. But because it

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<v Speaker 5>was like bull out of the gate, like straight into

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<v Speaker 5>the vulnerable stuff, we were having deep conversations like every week,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's how the podcast came about. So my vulnerability

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<v Speaker 5>only was able to happen because I felt safe in

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<v Speaker 5>talking to Hugh about it.

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<v Speaker 6>There's also I've never asked you this, but would it

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<v Speaker 6>have been hard for you to be that open with

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<v Speaker 6>your mates that you'd known for like fifteen years?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well I could have spoken to them about it,

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<v Speaker 5>but it would have. And this is nothing against them,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think you was just naturally so in tune

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<v Speaker 5>with everything I was talking about in terms of like

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<v Speaker 5>the work that he was doing. And I think at

0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.159
<v Speaker 5>that point you were starting to be a counselor, like

0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:48.239
<v Speaker 5>you were literally doing a counseling course. And I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>I think a lot of and me included if someone

0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.600
<v Speaker 5>came to me that my natural instinct is to try

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<v Speaker 5>and solve their problem, and from what I've learned since

0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.119
<v Speaker 5>then since doing this show, it's like that does and

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<v Speaker 5>actually it's actually not the right thing to do to

0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.760
<v Speaker 5>try and solve the problem. It's just to listen and

0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:12.119
<v Speaker 5>you know. But yeah, so that really helped the fact

0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:13.840
<v Speaker 5>that I think I knew she would be the right

0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:15.879
<v Speaker 5>person to talk to, and he was. But if I

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<v Speaker 5>had spoken to a friend of mine. Maybe that would

0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:18.959
<v Speaker 5>have been fine to it, Maybe it would have been

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<v Speaker 5>just as good. Maybe I'd be doing a podcast with

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<v Speaker 5>a different person. But the way it worked out was

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<v Speaker 5>incredible perfect.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I just think it can be quite hard to

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<v Speaker 6>switch like quick switch modes, Like with someone that you've

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<v Speaker 6>been friends with for a long time, You've only got

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<v Speaker 6>like one style of communicating someone I've never been vulnerable with,

0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.520
<v Speaker 6>and there's this kind of built friendship of fifteen years

0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.080
<v Speaker 6>and going, like I think about some of my mates

0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.399
<v Speaker 6>and some of the conversations I've had with people on

0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.560
<v Speaker 6>the podcast I've never met before in a really safe

0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.679
<v Speaker 6>space all with you guys. But then I found myself

0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.639
<v Speaker 6>because of the podcast. A few of my mates I

0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.840
<v Speaker 6>think have felt like they can sort of talk to

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<v Speaker 6>me a bit the way you felt like that with Hugh.

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<v Speaker 6>And I find this and it's like a really nervous

0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.320
<v Speaker 6>energy of like, oh shit, can I Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I.

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<v Speaker 4>Like books worse I was gonna say last time I've

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<v Speaker 4>had books disgusting actually a horrible word.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the title of this, just a load of pool.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I feel there's this nervousness of like, shit, we're

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<v Speaker 6>going here and we've never done this before. We've known

0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.359
<v Speaker 6>each other for lack. I'm thinking of one friend in

0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:44.080
<v Speaker 6>particular I've known since for twenty two years, and we

0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.840
<v Speaker 6>never talked vulnerably before, and there's this real nervousness and

0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:49.719
<v Speaker 6>scariness of like, oh, we're going to be able to

0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:51.960
<v Speaker 6>negotiate this and handle it. And it was an amazing

0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.960
<v Speaker 6>conversation and beautiful and it was I'm so glad we've

0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.160
<v Speaker 6>done it. But it felt a lot harder with someone

0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:58.880
<v Speaker 6>that I've known for twenty years than it is because

0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:02.400
<v Speaker 6>there's so much baggage, so much life experience between us. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I also think the other thing to acknowledge, probably for you, madam,

0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.400
<v Speaker 3>is like I think you can only be vulnerable when

0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.560
<v Speaker 3>you feel like completely safe. And I'm probably assuming here,

0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:16.480
<v Speaker 3>but like as a gay man, maybe you don't feel

0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:21.000
<v Speaker 3>as safe emotionally as much. Maybe I don't know. Obviously,

0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:25.240
<v Speaker 3>it's like I'm making big assumptions here, but it might

0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:26.720
<v Speaker 3>be hard to jump and go. I'll be vulnerable. I

0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:28.640
<v Speaker 3>trust everyone around here. I trust everyone's got my interest

0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:30.639
<v Speaker 3>at hard and everyone is going to be supportive and

0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.320
<v Speaker 3>loving of me. I don't have that sort of resonates

0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:34.040
<v Speaker 3>with you at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it does. I also think that intersection

0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 1>of being a First Nations person as well, you know,

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.280
<v Speaker 1>the whole resilience cap we have to wear, and sometimes

0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel that way, but I pretend, you know,

0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.280
<v Speaker 1>so it's like I'll feel strong or feel like you

0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:52.159
<v Speaker 1>have to sort of have everything together. But yeah, I definitely,

0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I definitely understand where you're coming from, and I think

0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:58.680
<v Speaker 1>that's there's probably layers of everything including that as to why.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think that safe spaces aren't I don't

0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:07.080
<v Speaker 1>think they're created as like. I don't. I don't come

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.800
<v Speaker 1>up against them as easily as I think I would

0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:10.040
<v Speaker 1>like to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course, Yeah, so it makes sense. I think

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.040
<v Speaker 3>it makes sense totally that you find vulnerability can be

0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:18.359
<v Speaker 3>a bit harder because I think it's it's to you

0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:19.880
<v Speaker 3>need to trust as well. There's to be a huge

0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 3>amount of trust, and I can pletely get if you

0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 3>don't feel that all the time from people. It makes sense,

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<v Speaker 3>especially the way society is at the moment. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I totally understand.

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<v Speaker 2>That I worry about our next generation about vulnerability and

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<v Speaker 2>sharing our emotions. But I also seeing an increase in

0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.840
<v Speaker 2>platforms like TikTok where they're expressing a lot of their

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<v Speaker 2>stuff but complete strangers and feeling comfortable doing that. And

0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, I don't know how I feel about this,

0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:50.960
<v Speaker 2>do you like, Yeah, what's your perspective? I guess on

0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:53.040
<v Speaker 2>that with having your own children.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I guess there's two parts of it.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I think it's really important to be like

0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:01.520
<v Speaker 6>to we I think we have on our not jokingly,

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<v Speaker 6>it's kind of serious on our tea card things that

0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:08.320
<v Speaker 6>we said say, always vulnerable responsibly, because I think it's

0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 6>really important to do it in a way that you

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:15.160
<v Speaker 6>feel safe to people that it's a really like I've

0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:19.679
<v Speaker 6>always probably been leaning into vulnerability more and probably in

0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:21.840
<v Speaker 6>times and moments when I shouldn't have in the past.

0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:23.359
<v Speaker 6>And I've sort of been burnt a few times in

0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.919
<v Speaker 6>my life by probably giving a bit too much of

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:31.720
<v Speaker 6>myself to people that weren't capable of handling that, and

0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:35.840
<v Speaker 6>it's hurt and only ended up hurting me more. And

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:40.000
<v Speaker 6>so I think it's it's incumbent to emphasize that it's

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<v Speaker 6>really important to only do it with people that you

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:45.400
<v Speaker 6>trust and who've got your interests at heart. When you're

0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.359
<v Speaker 6>doing it and nothing else. That's why I worry about

0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:52.400
<v Speaker 6>being really vulnerable just out into a platform like TikTok

0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:56.240
<v Speaker 6>and just because it's the wild West out there and

0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:59.399
<v Speaker 6>like it's and I don't think everyone who watches your

0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 6>video has your interested heart, So that is worrying. I

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 6>think as a parent, it's I guess, emotions and vulnerability

0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.240
<v Speaker 6>if the kids is something you negotiate every twenty minutes,

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:13.919
<v Speaker 6>I think you've got a new challenge ahead of you,

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 6>and it's difficult. But I see a like certainly, I

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:23.119
<v Speaker 6>can only really speak for me, and the friends are

0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:26.200
<v Speaker 6>my friends, but I see a lot of fathers leaning

0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.359
<v Speaker 6>into vulnerability with their kids a lot more than I

0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 6>think they were in general the generation before they were shown.

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:36.560
<v Speaker 4>I think, yeah, I'm sure.

0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:38.760
<v Speaker 6>It's not everywhere, but I feel lucky that that's certainly

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.479
<v Speaker 6>I would say more of the norm in my my

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 6>friendship grow Yeah.

0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:47.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we should probably say that. Josh and I really

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 3>feel as we hit the jackpot with our parents as

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 3>far as they were always like wanting to know what

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:55.160
<v Speaker 3>was going on, how we were actually feel Mum would

0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 3>always ask us the emotion we're feeling always yeah, and

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:01.440
<v Speaker 3>would always unpacked for ages us, so it's never felt

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:02.560
<v Speaker 3>it's always felt very.

0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:05.359
<v Speaker 6>And there was never any judgment from Dad about any No,

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 6>not at all. Yeah, So we're incredibly lucky, and.

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:13.000
<v Speaker 3>I think we kind of hopefully then, having had that

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 3>model to us, will do the same with our kids.

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:18.119
<v Speaker 6>I think it's good to acknowledge though, that when you

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 6>hit the jackpot like we did with our parents's, it

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.800
<v Speaker 6>makes it like it's easy to see, it's easy to

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:26.919
<v Speaker 6>do what you've seen and what you've experienced, and we

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 6>saw it and lived at firsthand. So just being I

0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 6>don't know, just acknowledging that now it's a lot harder

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:36.960
<v Speaker 6>for other people to lean into this kind of thing

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:39.679
<v Speaker 6>because I think we were luckily shown it from a

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:43.200
<v Speaker 6>really early age. So it feels something about it feels

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:46.480
<v Speaker 6>natural and right as opposed to feeling really scary. Yeah.

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and everyone, everyone. If there's one thing I think

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 5>all three of us have, even if we knew it,

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 5>that we've learned properly since doing the podcast, is that

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 5>everyone is going through something and it's not a competition.

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:02.200
<v Speaker 5>Some people are going through through all everyone's going through

0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 5>some level of pain or you know, at different points,

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:08.880
<v Speaker 5>and even if they're not it's just sort of best

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:11.399
<v Speaker 5>to assume that they are because we just don't know.

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 5>And so I think the listening listening without judgment is

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 5>sort of like becomes obvious when you kind of just

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.120
<v Speaker 5>if you assume everyone you've talked, even if they come

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 5>across like they've got nothing wrong in their life and

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 5>they're doing great and they got an awesome job and

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 5>super sweet mas MX five and you know, and they're

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:36.359
<v Speaker 5>just seem like they're kicking goals. Is like, if you

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:38.680
<v Speaker 5>just assume that they're struggling with something in their life,

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 5>then it's it's going to make the conversation a lot different.

0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 4>I think.

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that happens a lot in our industry as well.

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Like you will see somebody who might be perceived as

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 1>like their best moment of their career or they're having

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>like such a highlight in their life on social media,

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 1>but behind the scenes it seems to always be at

0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the same time that they're maybe going through the roughest

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 1>patch personally. It's some weird sort of moment, you know,

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>that happens often people tell me about.

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:10.400
<v Speaker 5>I mean literally, the very first episode was with Missy Higgins,

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 5>and that is exactly her story when she was like

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:16.439
<v Speaker 5>when she was special toing the hell out of it

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 5>around Australia and at her absolute peak, she was at

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:24.919
<v Speaker 5>her lowest mentally, and and that that was that really

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 5>set the tone for like, Oh, this is this is

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 5>people we just don't know.

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 4>You just don't know.

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Maddie, you have like a really nice analogy that

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:35.480
<v Speaker 2>you use a lot.

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Do I on the hill?

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have an I have an idea for a

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 1>kid's program in a school. But that's it's more speaks

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:46.679
<v Speaker 1>to privilege, and it more speaks to the idea that

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>we all start on somewhere on a hill. It's a

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 1>visual way of learning and and teaching kids that you know,

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 1>in life, there are people who may start more towards

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 1>the top of this hill, and their goals may be

0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 1>closer to them and their terrain and and the part

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 1>that they choose to walk in life, I'll get to

0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>choose by their privilege is much easier than yours. But

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make it doesn't mean you can't make it

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 1>to the top, you know. So I have this idea

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 1>of you know, really wanting to go into schools one

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>day and teach kids about you know, the journey of

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 1>trying to achieve what we want in life and finding

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 1>our passion and in a joy because I think one

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 1>thing that I've realized is I've been able to create

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>this path on this hill that really works for me

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and provides me a lot of joy. And that's being

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>able to have this you know, this life that I

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 1>always wanted and be in the career that I love

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>because it's what I'm meant to be doing. It's my

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>owner joy. And I just think there's so many people

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 1>that don't get that opportunity in life, you know, that

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>don't get to do with their their purpose is. But yeah,

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 1>that's definitely down the track. It's an idea that I

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>shared with Brook only on the weekend. Actually so.

0:28:57.360 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 3>Very new.

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>It's very new, So it's you know, I just also

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>know how much sacrifice it takes to to do what

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>you love as well. It's not like you can, you know,

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 1>have everyone holding on to your way you try and

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>make it to the top, but once you get to

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 1>the top, you can show them the way, you know.

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, yeah, there's just a lot of visual

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>aspects to this analogy that I think is really easy

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 1>for young people to understand and and be able to

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 1>use as a bit of inspiration in their life. But

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 1>it also correlates with a podcast where they're able to

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>talk about their dreams, goals, and what their journey may

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>look like for them. So yeah, it's a sound the track.

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 4>It sounds right.

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what is something that each of you have learned

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>on this journey about yourselves that maybe you didn't know beforehand?

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Like you get to do something that is quite profound,

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 1>and that is, you know, share people's stories, elevate people's voices,

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>but also in a weird way you like three therapy firsts,

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 1>you know. Definitely it sounds like that in my ears,

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, And that's it. That's a compliment by the way.

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, yeah, yeah, I.

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Think what is it that you've learned about yourself that

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 1>that you can share with us on this journey?

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 3>There's so much. I feel like every episode we have

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 3>there's a moment where I know, books episode for example,

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 3>I just it really reiterated to me how important is

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 3>to to think about the journey of First Nations people

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 3>and remind ourselves of what they went through, what they

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 3>still go through. And it was a really it was

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 3>very powerful for me in that in that regard, like

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 3>it's always sort of you do think about a lot,

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 3>but I think it needs to be more front of

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 3>mind for everyone. And that's sort of what happened there

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 3>for me. Very specifically, we did episode on ADHD with

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 3>a psychologist who's an expert on ADHD in the last year,

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 3>and then I realized that that was me. She was

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 3>talking about me. It took a while to get there,

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, so I literally discovered I was ADHD through

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 3>our own podcast, which is funnily enough, I didn't think

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 3>about it at all when we're doing I was thinking

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 3>about all my friends who might be ADHD, and then

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 3>I mentioned my wife and then and then we went

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 3>on a bit of a journey, and then I listened

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 3>to the episode again and I went, oh, it's definitely me.

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 3>So I listened to I listened to our podcast to

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 3>work out, which has been very luckjagic. So that was

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 3>a big one for me.

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's it's constant.

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 5>I wish I could think of like a really really

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 5>big one, but it's like it's it's it's often like

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 5>little little things that can maybe have big impact or

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 5>big make big change potentially, like even just today, we

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 5>spoke to this a psychologist and it was all about

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:55.479
<v Speaker 5>sleep and she was talking about the importance of sleep

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 5>and the impact on our brains and our life and

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 5>and how And I, of course I knew just anecdotally

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 5>that sleeps important, and I've like heard people, I've read

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 5>about it. But the way she put it today, I

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 5>was like, Okay, no, I know I need to get

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 5>eight hours sleep, but I really need to get eight

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 5>hours sleep, and I need to prioritize it more than

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 5>I do currently. So even that if I actually go

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 5>on and put that into practice, then it could potentially

0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 5>have a huge impact on me.

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So it's it's it's lots of things that you know.

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 5>Some things I hear and I'm like, oh my god,

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 5>that's incredible, and then I'll forget about it, and then

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 5>I'll hear it again later on, like if we put

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 5>it into a clip and I'm like, oh, that's right.

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 4>That was a cool bit from the podcast.

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Some hit, some don't.

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, some stick, some don't.

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm the type that would use that sleep that learning

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>from that sleep psychologist probably as like an excuse to

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 1>have naps in the day.

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 4>Naturally.

0:32:52.560 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 6>Good good, No, longer very good for me. I don't

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 6>know why this feels really vulnerable to say, but for me,

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 6>it's just that I feel like I am enough as

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 6>I am. I didn't really feel that for most of

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 6>my life, and this podcast has changed that for me.

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I love that. And I don't know if it's

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 6>I had kids at the same time as this podcast started,

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:25.880
<v Speaker 6>so I don't know if it's it's it's definitely them

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 6>as well. I can't sort of separate the two because

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 6>they'll almost work a month's within each other. But yeah,

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 6>that I'm okay because I certainly don't didn't feel like

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 6>that for most of my life before that. Yeah.

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 1>Wow, it's so great that I just heard that from you, Josh,

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>because today when I was journaling, I was writing about

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the feeling of not being enough, you know, and so

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I really resonate with what you just said. And it's

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes you do have to sort of like find

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 1>something that allows you to to find that feeling, you know,

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 1>and you feel your podcast. I think I'm on a journey.

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's out there some way, but you know, feeling enough.

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask you, like, what does that feel like

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>for you?

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 6>Well, sadly, it's not like it's not like fixed sort

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 6>of thing. Like it's not like I feel it's like,

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 6>oh yeah, I got there and I feel like enough,

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 6>and now I don't look back. I feel like I

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 6>fluctuate and in bad It's almost like I feel like

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 6>I'm enough more than I feel like I'm not enough now.

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 6>But it doesn't mean that I don't still feel the

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 6>way used to when for a variety of reasons, whether

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:37.759
<v Speaker 6>it's lack of sleep or just a bad wake where

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:44.239
<v Speaker 6>shitty things have happened. But to you know what, it's

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.359
<v Speaker 6>a strange. We had a revelation on the show once

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 6>when we were talking. You said, Hugh said something about

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 6>when he meets someone really good or really funny, he

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 6>has this feeling. I hope I'm getting this right of like, oh,

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 6>I can't wait for us to be friends, Whereas I

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 6>I had never heard it vocal as at that. I

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 6>always thought more like they wouldn't want to be friends

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.319
<v Speaker 6>with me, and even if they do, they'll work it

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 6>out pretty quick that I'm not someone you want to

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:14.920
<v Speaker 6>be friends with. And I think that's fading for me,

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 6>and I feel like, well, why wouldn't they like I'm

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 6>not that bad, and that's a nice and that's a

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:24.840
<v Speaker 6>really nice thing to carry and to say what it

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 6>feels that matter. I think it's like I was unaware

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 6>of the weight that I was carrying before that revelation,

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:33.839
<v Speaker 6>and yeah, the weight might feel like it's there some days,

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 6>but other days it's it's not. And that's a pretty

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:39.839
<v Speaker 6>great feeling. And it's great to be a dad and

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.880
<v Speaker 6>be able to look at your kids with that, with

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 6>that feeling, because you certainly don't want them to feel

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 6>that and so to I think you have to be

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:49.560
<v Speaker 6>able to say it about yourself first before you can

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.319
<v Speaker 6>teach them not to believe that. So that's that gives

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.280
<v Speaker 6>me hope. Yeah, thank you.

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we're a little bit of a golden josh n

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 5>I get for you.

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Me good.

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 4>I was like, Dawn, save it for.

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 2>I love you guys. Oh god. I feel like that

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 2>plays into like comparison cultures sometimes, Like I feel like

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 2>that's an out for me for twenty twenty five, is

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 2>comparing because I always had this mentality like there's more

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:28.800
<v Speaker 2>than enough to go around, whether that's like money, love,

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:32.319
<v Speaker 2>like kindness, like there's so many things that there's just

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:35.399
<v Speaker 2>there's more than enough, Like why do we you know?

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 2>And I find myself comparing myself a lot, like why

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:42.799
<v Speaker 2>do I why do we not get like enough downloads?

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Or why do why do people not come to our things?

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Like I was really down. We would did like a

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 2>live show, and it immediately jolted me because I thought

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 2>I had an expectation I guess of like who was

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:56.280
<v Speaker 2>going to come, and then that didn't It didn't exceed

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>my expectations. But instead of being like, oh this shit happens,

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 2>poop happens, I was like, oh, no one likes me,

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm irrelevant, and I go down. It's like, you know,

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:13.280
<v Speaker 2>and I have the same thing of like not feeling

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:16.760
<v Speaker 2>like enough but also feeling like too much sometimes because

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I've been told that like and I have my own

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 2>battles with that. But like it's nice hearing you know

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 2>that these these conversations, because like I feel the same way,

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 2>like I am enough as I am, and the right

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.399
<v Speaker 2>people will find me and the right people will appreciate

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 2>my energy even if that is too much sometimes yeah, yeah.

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 6>And it doesn't for me, it doesn't. It a realization

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 6>that doesn't have to be everyone as well. That's a

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 6>nice realization to know that if you've got enough people

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:53.439
<v Speaker 6>that you know appreciate you for truly who you are,

0:37:55.920 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 6>that it can help to intellect from some of those comparisons.

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:04.280
<v Speaker 6>I think potentially, but they're still there. It's hard to avoid.

0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I think, hard to avoid. But it's an out comparison

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 2>culture you're not. It's an out for me.

0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 1>It's good.

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:14.359
<v Speaker 6>That's a good thing to get out. Yeah, absolutely, what is.

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 3>What is what role of social media playing that for you?

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Because you've got such a big presence on social media

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 3>and to do that, I'm guessing you must have to

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 3>be on social media a lot and you see what

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 3>other people are doing and people who are in your

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 3>industry what they're achieving, because everyone's putting up their best stuff.

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 3>Does that kind of highlight to you if you're if

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:33.800
<v Speaker 3>you're putting on a show for your live show, and

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 3>then you'll see another podcast that does similar stuff to

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 3>you doing a live show, and you're like, why have

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 3>they got people there? Do social media? What I'm trying

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 3>to say is the social media make things harder or

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 3>easier for you?

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, there's so many good things about it that I

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 2>love and I kind of try to, you know, revel

0:38:54.120 --> 0:39:00.359
<v Speaker 2>in those relation those, but I think it's it's conversations

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.320
<v Speaker 2>that are like face to face and of face value

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:08.359
<v Speaker 2>and you know, genuine messages. I think that really make

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 2>this whole social media aspect of my life feel valuable innocence.

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Other than that, it just feels like I just use

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 2>it as a tool to advertise what's really important to me,

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 2>which I think is a good.

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 4>Balance really important.

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I just kind of got sucked into this vortex.

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I think over the years, Maddie, Maddie and I talk

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 2>about this a lot, but it hasn't really hasn't been

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:36.839
<v Speaker 2>in the last couple of years that I've really come

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 2>back to myself and I realized that I was not

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 2>boring as what people would think or would say about me.

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.720
<v Speaker 2>I was like, actually, I'm really creative, but I can't

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 2>share that world because people don't know that world or

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:51.759
<v Speaker 2>know that of me. So if I just share it,

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 2>people are gonna be like, Okay, she's she's gone unhinged,

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 2>like she's she's gone off the rail. Yeah, out of

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 2>my lane. Yeah, And I have to stay in my

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 2>lane in order to fit this. Yeah, And I think

0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 2>that's something really I battle with sometimes with what do

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I share and what I don't share, But I feel

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 2>like when they share the moments that I enjoy and

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.959
<v Speaker 2>I love, like the moments when my dad. Everyone loves

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.920
<v Speaker 2>those moments, like they like, oh this is so you know,

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 2>really wholesome, and I'm like, yeah, that's the things I love.

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 2>So hopefully you love it. But I was also going

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 2>to ask the question of you guys when you're doing

0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 2>the episodes and everything, and it does get.

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 6>To a part.

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Josh, you've beautifully opened up and I'm like,

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 2>always so grateful for that, and I think, like all

0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:37.279
<v Speaker 2>of you have, but do you pick and choose, like

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:39.359
<v Speaker 2>when do you rein it in and when do you

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 2>like choose to share and when do you say oh okay,

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:44.799
<v Speaker 2>like I haven't workshoped that I'm going to like keep

0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 2>that private. And I mean we touched on it a

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.680
<v Speaker 2>little bit. No, you have a team, but like lit

0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 2>in yourself.

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:52.839
<v Speaker 3>The most helpful analogy I think I can't remember who

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 3>said it with was Bridgid or I'm not sure it was.

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 3>It's like, it's it's not healthy to an open war

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 3>is not a healthy thing to sort of show. But

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 3>the scars like a scar to talk about a scar

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.280
<v Speaker 3>it's it's it's a much safer thing to do for

0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 3>yourself and for a listener, but an open wound potentially

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 3>not if that kind of makes sense.

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 5>I think that was the It's also kind of you know,

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 5>I think when when people when either one of us

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:20.360
<v Speaker 5>or a guest, yeah, talks about a scar like so

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.800
<v Speaker 5>in other words, like something that happened in the past,

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 5>and they've somewhat processed it and thought about it and

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 5>have and are able to talk about it in a

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:33.719
<v Speaker 5>in a reflective way, that is it's almost more I

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 5>think for the purposes of the people listening, it's more helpful,

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 5>I think because they've got some perspective on it, whereas, yeah,

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.320
<v Speaker 5>when it's an open wound, and maybe if they're in

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 5>the middle of going through something and it's really hard,

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 5>then it's I don't know, I feel like it's it

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 5>can often it can be. It can still be really helpful,

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 5>but in our experience, it's usually more helpful to the listener,

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:56.720
<v Speaker 5>which is always the field like more help over the listener.

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 5>If it's if it's a reflection on a wound, yeah,

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 5>on a scar, sorry and a scar.

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:02.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah scar.

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a really great analogy.

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm not taking credit for it, definitely would Bridget.

0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, such a Bridget. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, we've

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:14.839
<v Speaker 2>really we've been doing this for only two years and

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 2>not nearly. You guys are in your seventh season.

0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:17.360
<v Speaker 4>Seventh.

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're doing a long time and you've had some

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 2>awesome people on. Like I've listened and learned so much

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 2>from different perspectives and everything. Can I ask you what maybe,

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 2>like what does twenty twenty five look like for the

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:34.240
<v Speaker 2>pod or in terms of like will this just continue

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.399
<v Speaker 2>on for you guys? I know you guys have done

0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:40.240
<v Speaker 2>like a few live shows in your time. Like who's

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 2>your dream guest actually, like who would you love to

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 2>have a conversation with or been sitting at the table with?

0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean for me, for me, it's probably Jim Carrey.

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:52.719
<v Speaker 4>Oh yes, yeah, he's absolutely.

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 5>Like I was in I think it was probably year

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:55.840
<v Speaker 5>eleven or twelve when like ace Ventura in the Mask

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:59.239
<v Speaker 5>and those films came out. So he's very much, you know,

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 5>my one of my influences, like being in comedy, and

0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:09.360
<v Speaker 5>he's gone on his own like complete life change and

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.879
<v Speaker 5>the way he like he's good mates with totally and

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:16.160
<v Speaker 5>like he's just like, he's got some amazing things to say.

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 5>So I would love to have him on would you have.

0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 2>On as well? I saw him show and he just

0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 2>spoke about watching birds.

0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:31.840
<v Speaker 4>I can't remember.

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:33.839
<v Speaker 2>There was this part where he was like, just sit

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and watch the bird and he imitated a bird. It

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:38.439
<v Speaker 2>was actually really good.

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 4>That's a very thing to do.

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 2>It's I've read.

0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 5>Both of his books watching birds.

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 4>YouTube has got heaps more.

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he suggested going watching birds and just analyzing them

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 2>and being in his thing is power of now in

0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 2>like present moment, right, Yeah, so Jim Carrey for right,

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Jim Carrey, Yeah, I was a huge as venture fan.

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:08.439
<v Speaker 6>Who is my dream? Guess I'm kind of terrified because

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:11.080
<v Speaker 6>I don't think it's like an impossible thing. It might happen,

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:12.880
<v Speaker 6>It might happen one day, but I'm kind of scared

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 6>that it will. Being Nick Cave, he has experienced a

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:23.759
<v Speaker 6>lot in losing two sons now in tragic circumstances, I

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 6>mean losing actually what circumstances of losing a child is

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 6>in tragic But he is this for me, an absolute

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 6>model of honest vulnerability. But he is so intellectually brilliant

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:43.719
<v Speaker 6>and so so incredible that I just feel so inadequate

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 6>near him, So I think it would be a terrifying interview.

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 6>So I kind of like dream guess that I kind

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 6>of hope doesn't actually happen because it would just be

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:54.320
<v Speaker 6>too much. Yeah, just be too nervous.

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:55.400
<v Speaker 4>I fluff it.

0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:55.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.920
<v Speaker 3>I should probably mentioned our live show before before, I figure,

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:04.359
<v Speaker 3>but we're doing that's probably the most fun I ever

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 3>had in my life. But right up there. We did

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 3>a live show last year and to the country year before,

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 3>and we've decided to write a brand new show because

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 3>we just have so much fun doing it. So this year,

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:15.839
<v Speaker 3>to answer your first question, we're writing a brand new

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:18.439
<v Speaker 3>live show and we're touring all the major cities around

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:20.560
<v Speaker 3>Australia end of the year. So that I cannot wait

0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 3>for that. My dream guest we had, we had Pat Cummins,

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 3>strain and career captain, so very much fell in love

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:33.560
<v Speaker 3>with him and gave him the lyft to him from

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:35.840
<v Speaker 3>the hotel as well. I haven't done for guests before,

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:43.800
<v Speaker 3>and but having had you, i'd loved her. Billy Connelly,

0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:47.799
<v Speaker 3>Scottish comedian, I loved her. That would be wow. Yeah,

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 3>that would be pretty cool.

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.120
<v Speaker 2>How's your dream guest Maddie.

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was the one who said, can we get

0:45:53.320 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the imperfect on? So how about that off? No, we

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:04.200
<v Speaker 1>love it, but thank you so much for coming on today.

0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:07.719
<v Speaker 1>It's been such a wonderful chat. Yeah. I appreciate what

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 1>you're doing for you know, I want to say this,

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, I appreciate that you're creating a space for

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:18.400
<v Speaker 1>men to listen in and and get in touch with

0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:21.400
<v Speaker 1>their vulnerability. I think it's super powerful thing, especially in

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 1>the current political climate where we see a lot of misogyny,

0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:28.960
<v Speaker 1>and I think that it's definitely the combat to one

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 1>of the things that can combat the misogynistic ways of

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 1>men and how they how they treat women in the world,

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 1>these sort of conversations. So yeah, thank you so much.

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 5>Thanks, I appreciate it.