WEBVTT - I Sat Down With Eliot And Apologised To Him… (Full Interview) 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.640 Hello, and welcome back to the Mathsphony Podcast with me 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:05.760 Joshua Fox. You know, like on the show, how the 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:08.559 contestants talk about going on like a real journey throughout 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.479 the experiment within their relationships, Well that's not too different 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:13.360 from what I do here on this podcast. You know, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:15.920 I'm on my own journey with many of these cast members, 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.680 and one person I've gone full circle with now is Elliott. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:21.440 And now he's off the show. I thought, you know what, 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:23.800 let's get him back in here. Let's get him in 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.279 the studio and let's have a big chat and talk 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.560 about our journey because as you know, you know, we 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.159 didn't start off on a high. I phoned him a 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.920 week into this season to say, hey, are you a flop? 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.360 And then we've been very up and down since then. 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.440 But now I hate to say it, but I think 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.159 I'm an Elliott fan. It like that first phone call 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.320 we had. I even said in there like he kind 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.919 of won me over slightly because I heard a very 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.480 different side to him and his personality came through which 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.000 wasn't apparent on the show. Then he came back and 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.120 then I was excited, but then he was making those 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.800 Margarita comments. And then I was like ah, but then 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.880 like I slowly saw the difference side to him again. 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:02.800 And then he got on socials and I was like, 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.040 this man is funny. So today, yeah, I'm bringing him in. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.360 He's coming on the pod and I've also got him 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:17.520 a gift to apologize on behalf of myself and Australia. Okay, 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.360 welcome back to the map Swinny podcast with me Joshua Fox. 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.360 Today I'm joined by a man I used to hate. 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:23.880 He's slowly grown on me. 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.240 Yeah, all right, now you can be nice to me. Yeah, 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:28.440 everyone likes me. 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:30.880 Well, Elliott, I would first like to start this by 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:32.000 giving you a gift. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.679 Is this an apology letter? All right? 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:42.640 All right, it's a really nice Hallmark card. Congratulations to 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:44.800 you for proving you're not a flop. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:45.280 Look at that. 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.160 You know, I was expecting this. I was expecting some 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:50.200 money to come out though. 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:51.320 Yeah we're on a budget. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:53.880 No fifties in there. 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:58.240 Dear Elliott on behalf of Australia. I'm sorry and I'm 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.680 in that and I accept your apology. 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:01.560 You're forgiven. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.520 But I think you are the perfect example right of 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.000 how we can be fed a certain narrative from certain 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.120 personality of someone that isn't true because at the start, 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.120 as I've told you, I thought you were a dickhead. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:14.919 Yeah, and then we. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.600 Spoke on the phone that time and I fet, oh, 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.920 he's actually okay. Then you came back and then he 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.320 was like, oh, steering towards dick and again. But then 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.040 you made a TikTok showing your actual personality here, and 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:26.800 then I was like, he's actually funny. 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.720 I would okay, I would. I would agree with some parts, 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.960 disagree with some parts. I think when I came back, right, 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.520 and I was kind of having a joke about the 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:36.840 margarita comment. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.600 Right, even a joke or shaming women. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:41.320 No, it's just a joke. 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.480 Like it's like, yeah, I don't think everything has to 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.200 be about shaming somebody. You know, people said things about me. 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:51.239 I'm not gonna mention any names. And he was deliverery 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:52.480 Le to try to shame me. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:53.800 Are you talking about me? 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:54.120 No? 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.000 No, Lauren, Lauren, and like the whole oh he smells 0:02:58.040 --> 0:02:58.840 and all this sort of stuff. 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.639 It's like, I mean, that's shame. Mean, somebody five miga. 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.880 There's no shame in drinking five margaritas like I do 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.000 that like that was never the thing, but then you 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.040 took it as negative. But now it's like people come 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.200 up to me at the pav and they're like five 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.880 marger readers, Like everyone's buying you drinks now great, they 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.520 buy them for the table they see me having having 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:23.080 dinner next door at Tropicana and we'll get like five 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.280 margaritas brought to the table on a tray. 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.920 Oh there you go. No, Like, I'm like, who bought this? 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.680 And they're like, oh, it's a secret at Myra. 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.720 It's like margarite is not cheap twenty dollars minimum. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.200 I'm just saying, yeah, people don't mind the margarita comment now, 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.920 but yeah, like I definitely think that there's truth to that. 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.560 You know, they I wouldn't say they can completely change 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.760 to the who you are, but they can exaggerate certain 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:49.640 parts of you. And that's that's really what happened in 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.400 the start of my kind of journey. I still think 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.920 that I definitely approached the experiment with the wrong mindset, 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.080 you know. I treated it like a you know, matchmaking service, 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:06.120 which it's obviously not. Just look at their eyes. That 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.680 would be the worst matchmaker of all time. But that's 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.720 the way I walked into it, and so my behavior 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:17.799 kind of reflected that. And yeah, they kind of exaggerated 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.719 to the end degree and said, right, you know, let's 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.680 make let's take away any semblance of humor. You know, 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.240 I'm naturally pretty self deprecating, like I love to take 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.000 the piss out of myself, Like that's what I do 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:30.240 on my TikTok all day long. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:31.960 And they took that away. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:33.880 And then it just came across his arrogant guy like, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:35.960 oh my god, like he thinks he's better than everybody. 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:38.640 And so that that's the way I see that. When 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.120 I came back, I wasn't a different person. I was 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.359 just treating it like an experiment, like, Okay, let's engage 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.839 with this. Let's see where this takes me, not just 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.599 like hang on a minute, I ordered this, not this, 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:51.440 this is the wrong color. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:53.960 Just shut it down instantly. But that was probably for 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:55.440 the best given how we saw Lauren. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:56.800 That was part of it. 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.760 As well, Like people don't see what goes on behind 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.200 the can, and so they they make their assumptions based 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:07.839 on what's shown, and they really didn't show the sides 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.680 of Lauren that I saw that I was kind of 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.320 like I really feel uncomfortable being on camera with this person, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.159 like and and so all these things kind of came 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.760 together and that's how that whole journey happened. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.960 But I'm like grateful. 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:24.520 That it all happened, Like to me, you love the public, Well, yeah, 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.840 even Dave's fallen down, you've ever taken him? 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:33.040 Has he really? You tell me? No? 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:37.000 No, Look, I think the way the whole story played out, 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.520 I think it was an amazing experience to be part 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:39.800 of it. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.840 And you know, I had to go through those tough 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:44.880 times and couple a little bit of. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:49.599 Heat again TikTok following, Yeah, maybe maybe that's what I 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.560 had to do, be that guy for a bit, and yeah, 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:54.440 that's where it led to. 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.040 But I don't know, I don't know where it's going 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:57.360 to lead. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.920 I think people were like they're already starting to forget 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:02.600 who I am, and they're like, hey, hang on, why 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:04.040 am I following this guy again? 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:05.880 Like what show? 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.480 Because I work in social media and I even textually 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.920 the other day saying I was genuinely laughing out loud 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:14.680 at your content. Because reality people often jump on socialism 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.640 think they can just go hi and the world's going 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:18.279 to love them. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.960 No, well no, but they will while they're on the show, 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.640 and then the minute the show is over, that high 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.360 means nothing, Like it's like, you know. 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.480 The thing I noticed every Yeah, these people are maths. Afterwards, 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.880 they've gained what maybe one hundred and fifty thousand followers, 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.719 and they've gone from your everyday people who were on 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.840 the show, and they suddenly think they're Kim Kardashian and 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.360 they go, hey, guys, sir, I've not been on today. 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:41.280 I'm wearing this. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:41.840 Look at this. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.600 And then instantly there's a disconnect because these fans are 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.880 followed that regular person they enjoyed on the show, and 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.480 now you're presenting yourself as above them, and that's why 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.320 everyone loses followers over time. But from the start, you're 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.800 just being funny. You're not trying to be famous, you're 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:56.680 not trying to go look at me. 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.560 No, no, I don't think anyone wants that content from me. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.040 Like people like, oh, you should do this, you should 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.800 do that. I'm like, I think I'm just gonna keep 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.039 like making a fool of myself and making these silly 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.920 videos and giving people something to laugh at, and and 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.320 that's what people are coming here for, Like that's and 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.000 that's what I like doing. Like I don't want to 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.240 be you know, I've got Abby Chatsfield coming after me, 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.680 like I need you to do this video denouncing this 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:21.200 and this and this. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.080 It is like, dude, like that's not who I am. 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.680 I'm not this like advocate people like, I'm just the 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.559 guy trying to make light of this situation and find 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:31.400 the humor in it. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.680 And yeah, like there's no hate or anything. 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.600 Coming from from you know what I'm doing. It's more 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.800 just like can we just kind of like laugh at 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.320 the absurdity. 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.520 Of these situations that we're in it. 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.440 I mean, come on, like it's pretty ridiculous the situations 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.080 that we're in. It's like, let's, you know, find some 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.800 humor in it and that'll help us deal with this 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:56.000 more than anything. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.800 Jack. And now you've getten such a big following on 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.360 socialis though that will you jump on the only fans? No? 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:03.760 Because the money that like. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.240 You know, what is it at the expense of people 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:06.960 seeing your dick. 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.840 No, I don't have any plans to be on only fans. 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.720 I might make one like a funny one as like 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.000 a do it like a TikTok on it and it'll 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.960 be like, yeah, I don know, me in like a 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.560 paper g string, being like, oh this is why me 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:24.360 and Lauren didn't work. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:25.640 Isn't that old job? 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.920 What's that paper stripper? No tops? 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.320 Yeah yeah, something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did it. 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:33.800 I did it for about five or six years. 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.959 Yeah. And on occasion that was nude waiter. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:37.400 No. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:41.959 Never, I never went fully nude for that job. I 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.560 did it as like, look, I was in Uni. I 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.560 just I never liked going out, Like I wasn't really 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.600 big on my bars or clubs, and that was like 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.160 my way to kind of like socialize a little bit. 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.080 Like they're going up and take any clubs off just 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:56.559 my shirt. 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.480 It's just like bottoms are all on. And I was like, 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.000 I'm not really embarrassed. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.040 Like sometimes it was embarrassing, like you kind of feel 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.720 a little bit objectified. But then you're like, oh, well, 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.800 you know women probably feel like this a lot, and. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.679 So yeah, you're a feminist. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:14.160 I don't. 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:19.280 I mean I ask Abby, I don't think you're with you. No, No, 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.640 I think I'm pretty I would say. You know, people 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.240 are like, oh he's this, he's out so pretty moderate, 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:29.280 you know. I I see points from both sides, and 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.600 I don't like to be like part of this whole 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.320 like false dichotomy of like no, no. 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:34.600 This is bout this bad. 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.679 I think like there's nuance, there's there's you know, things 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.640 need to be kind of fleshed out. But yeah, no, 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:44.439 when I when I when I did that job, it 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.160 was like more for a laugh and it was never 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.200 like a long term career or anything like that. But 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.480 it's funny that it all comes out. I was waiting 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:52.720 for it. 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.320 I was like everything comes up. 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there's worse things than that, 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.480 So I'm like, whatever is it? 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.000 There's only thing oh in your past already? 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.120 No no, no, no, no no. I think I'm pretty squeaky clean. 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.000 You know, more would have come out when I was 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.400 like the villain and everyone hated me, Like no one 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.720 came forward being like oh he's a horrible guy or 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:15.120 this or that. 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.320 Like maybe now you're liked people you may have wronged 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.520 in your past, the more incentive now to come out. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:21.199 You know. 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:25.520 Funny thing was like when I was like hated, I 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:29.280 had so many people reach out to me, like old friends, 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.480 like people from school haven't spoken to him, like over 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.360 a decade and being like that sucks that they're like 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.920 editing you like that they knew that that wasn't mean. 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:38.840 I was like, oh that feels good, Like I feel like, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.400 you know, it is just a TV show. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.640 It is Na, yeah, yeah, like I am who I 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.680 think I am, you know, and that felt good. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.040 And you know, I obviously had like my family around 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.240 me and my close friends and stuff, so that kind 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:51.840 of helped a lot. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.880 But yeah, no, uh, where were we have just lost 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:56.280 my place? 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.120 How are you and Bronica? Oh, we know, we don't 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.120 really talk, haven't spoken since. 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.280 Nah Na, No, It's like, look, I don't harbor any 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.040 kind of grudges or anything, but we're just worlds apart 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.440 in terms of the way we, you know, communicate, the 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:13.319 way we see the world. 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.480 Do not raise your voice at me like that, Like yeah, 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:18.719 that did make me a laugh, that's it. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.960 Yeah, yeah, I mean it wasn't funny. At the time. 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:23.560 I was kind of bit like, yeah it was. 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.920 I felt like, am I losing my mind in this moment? 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.640 Like where the what's going on here? Like I feel 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.880 like I stumbled onto a movie set and I didn't 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.760 have my lines and I'm like ad libbing, like, uh, 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.160 what am I supposed to say here? 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:39.320 Like? 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:41.240 Can I get a prompt? 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.520 It did seem a bit like potentially she was maybe 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.319 acting in some of those sins. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.920 Yeah, I heard you've been chatinger her though she's one 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:49.800 of your mates, isn't she? 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.120 I phone once that That means we're closer because I 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:53.880 make you free times. 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:59.000 Oh so you're a team elliott Man nobody, you know, 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:00.920 a friend to everybody as a friend to no One, 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:02.240 Josh friend. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.120 So that's okay. No, I was saying I phoned her 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.680 to ask if she fucked Dave because and then Jamie 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.640 was maybe hinting she wasn't showing her interviews, so I 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.480 just found her. And Veronica says, now they they grew 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.320 close because they both their fathers are kind of going 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.520 through stuff and they bonded over that. But that context 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:21.800 was not on the show obviously. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:26.640 Oh right, Yeah, so she empathized with Dave and his father. 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.160 Yeah, because her dad had a stroke. I think, yeah, 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:32.320 a stroke before the show. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:37.359 I would have loved to be of that empathy. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:39.839 I don't know where to take this note. 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:41.480 No, I don't know. 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:45.480 I look the I'm going to be a bit controversial here. 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.760 But she saw Dave as a useful idiot in that situation. 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.439 I don't know if they slept together, Like it's pretty 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.559 suss the way they were giggling in bed and everything. 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.840 I don't even think that's the important thing. Like she 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.400 kind of used Dave as like, watch me get Elliott back. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.560 I'm gonna get Dave on my side, and I'm gonna 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.360 tell Elliott how great Dave is and how perfect he is. 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:08.640 And that backfiright. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.360 Well, the thing was is like they showed me being 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.760 attentive and doing the things that she was talking about 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.800 while she was you know, telling me off for not 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.040 doing them. So it's like I couldn't I couldn't take 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.120 that seriously. There was there was no truth in what 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.959 she was saying. I mean the scene of the seas 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.600 at the Last Commendment ceremony where they turned to the. 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:31.600 Group and they get everyone. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.120 They didn't even show everyone piped up about like the 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.920 couple's retreat and how like all these little things we 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:39.480 did for each other. 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.960 Well I did for her, and they only showed a. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.400 Couple of them, you know, people talking about the games 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.400 and stuff like that, But there was a lot more 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:47.920 to that. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:50.840 So I mean, are. 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.640 You saying context was caught out of marred at first sight. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.560 No, no, but they they didn't need that. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.720 I feel like they kind of like in a way, 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.400 they sort of protected her a bit. They didn't show 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.520 how bad that scene got where she was yelling and 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.679 like carrying on, like it went a lot deeper than 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:09.160 what you saw. 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:13.920 So you guys haven't spoken since reunion? Do you ever 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:15.320 have plans to reach out? Oh? 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.679 Yeah, no, we don't talk. I don't you know, we've 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.760 we've got irreconcilable. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.960 Ift like me or my ex husband exactly. 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.120 Yeah, I don't think we'll ever see eye. I have no. 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.720 I don't harbor any kind of grudges, despite what you 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:31.280 might think of my TikTok. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:32.160 That's there. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:33.240 Just now, that's comedy. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:33.960 I can see that. 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.119 You're not being mean. You're just poking for a stupid storyline. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:38.160 Exactly. 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:42.360 It's like, if anything, I'm deprecating myself in that more 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.560 than anything, being like, oh, look, my wife's sleeping with 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.160 somebody else and I'm here like an idiot, Like that's 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.240 none of it is from a place of hate. It's 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:53.800 all just like let's kind of have you know, laugh. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.440 But I think that's a good example you're setting, because 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.760 if you're poking for at that, you're basically telling the viewers, 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.880 don't get angry, don't get raped, don't go and hate 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.120 ryon kare just with me exactly. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.000 These are characters in this show, no one. I don't 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.720 think anyone deserves to be hated, like I think people can. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.040 They should look at their actions and what they've done 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:21.400 and and try to be better and learn from them. 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.360 And I say that about you know, everybody that made 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.600 mistakes on the show. I don't think anyone deserves to 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:29.240 be like canceled and be you know, exiled. And you know, 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.120 I don't believe that. I think that, you know, obviously 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.200 people made mistakes and they should be held to account 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.800 for it. But I don't believe in writing anyone off. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:39.080 That's the difference. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.880 Because you had a what you said was a controversial 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.360 take on the Pilon Karna thing. Then well what was 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:50.360 that that where viewers were saying he should have been 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.120 sent home? You think production, Yeah, look. 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:57.080 I think you're going a bit too hard on Channel 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:58.720 nine about that, like. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.800 Mine personally, Yeah, yeh yeah, you're like going after them. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.280 You're like, I don't even see that it's not even 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:09.480 Maths funny anymore. It's like, no, we're mass bread serious, 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:14.960 thank you, I'm Maths depressed. No, I the way I 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:19.680 look at it right, And I I vehemently denounced what 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:20.160 Paul did. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:21.520 I did it on the show. I do it now. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:25.200 I think that there's never any reason for anyone to 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.200 be violent, especially in the context of being alone with 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.360 a woman. I think that's despicable behavior. And I said 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:32.880 it to him, and I said it on camera, and 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.200 I'll say to anyone who asked me. But at the 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:40.160 same time, Channel nine have a duty of care. And 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.760 Carina and Paul are at that stage still very loved up. 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:49.400 Karina is minimizing what he did and making you know, 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.040 allowances for it and saying, oh, no, it's only because 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.240 there's like uh and and so you let them go. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.400 You say, nah, you're off the show, get out of here. 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.080 They're not going to go their separate ways. They're going 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.280 back to Perth together. They might be moving in together. 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.639 Who knows what could happen, you know, who knows how 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.880 many walls will get punched or what will come out 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:14.119 of that, you know, unsupervised by keeping them in the experiment, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.280 they're have a producer around them twenty four to seven. 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.440 There's always a producer on call at that apartment block. 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.720 They have cameras around them for most of the day. 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.440 They have access to a clinical psychologist. They enforced Paul 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.720 to do anger management. They prohibited him from drinking any 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.960 alcohol like. To me, that is a stronger duty of 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.080 care than giving them the boot and saying you're out 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.919 of here and letting what happens happen after that. And 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.360 that's a hot take and it's not meant to try 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.040 to defend what Paul did. It's just I'm trying to say, 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.800 maybe that was the right thing to do, to supply 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:54.840 that duty of care to them. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.240 And how much have Channel nine paid you to no? 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.720 I mean now I will say, if they're offering I 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.440 haven't thought about it from that perspective, and I think 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.800 that is actually valid. You raise good points. But for me, 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:12.359 and why I have kind of pushed this storyline is 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.000