Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Mathsphony Podcast with me
Speaker 1: Joshua Fox. You know, like on the show, how the
Speaker 1: contestants talk about going on like a real journey throughout
Speaker 1: the experiment within their relationships, Well that's not too different
Speaker 1: from what I do here on this podcast. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm on my own journey with many of these cast members,
Speaker 1: and one person I've gone full circle with now is Elliott.
Speaker 1: And now he's off the show. I thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's get him back in here. Let's get him in
Speaker 1: the studio and let's have a big chat and talk
Speaker 1: about our journey because as you know, you know, we
Speaker 1: didn't start off on a high. I phoned him a
Speaker 1: week into this season to say, hey, are you a flop?
Speaker 1: And then we've been very up and down since then.
Speaker 1: But now I hate to say it, but I think
Speaker 1: I'm an Elliott fan. It like that first phone call
Speaker 1: we had. I even said in there like he kind
Speaker 1: of won me over slightly because I heard a very
Speaker 1: different side to him and his personality came through which
Speaker 1: wasn't apparent on the show. Then he came back and
Speaker 1: then I was excited, but then he was making those
Speaker 1: Margarita comments. And then I was like ah, but then
Speaker 1: like I slowly saw the difference side to him again.
Speaker 1: And then he got on socials and I was like,
Speaker 1: this man is funny. So today, yeah, I'm bringing him in.
Speaker 1: He's coming on the pod and I've also got him
Speaker 1: a gift to apologize on behalf of myself and Australia. Okay,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the map Swinny podcast with me Joshua Fox.
Speaker 1: Today I'm joined by a man I used to hate.
Speaker 1: He's slowly grown on me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, now you can be nice to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone likes me.
Speaker 1: Well, Elliott, I would first like to start this by
Speaker 1: giving you a gift.
Speaker 2: Is this an apology letter? All right?
Speaker 3: All right, it's a really nice Hallmark card. Congratulations to
Speaker 3: you for proving you're not a flop.
Speaker 2: Look at that.
Speaker 3: You know, I was expecting this. I was expecting some
Speaker 3: money to come out though.
Speaker 1: Yeah we're on a budget.
Speaker 2: No fifties in there.
Speaker 3: Dear Elliott on behalf of Australia. I'm sorry and I'm
Speaker 3: in that and I accept your apology.
Speaker 2: You're forgiven.
Speaker 1: But I think you are the perfect example right of
Speaker 1: how we can be fed a certain narrative from certain
Speaker 1: personality of someone that isn't true because at the start,
Speaker 1: as I've told you, I thought you were a dickhead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we.
Speaker 1: Spoke on the phone that time and I fet, oh,
Speaker 1: he's actually okay. Then you came back and then he
Speaker 1: was like, oh, steering towards dick and again. But then
Speaker 1: you made a TikTok showing your actual personality here, and
Speaker 1: then I was like, he's actually funny.
Speaker 3: I would okay, I would. I would agree with some parts,
Speaker 3: disagree with some parts. I think when I came back, right,
Speaker 3: and I was kind of having a joke about the
Speaker 3: margarita comment.
Speaker 1: Right, even a joke or shaming women.
Speaker 2: No, it's just a joke.
Speaker 3: Like it's like, yeah, I don't think everything has to
Speaker 3: be about shaming somebody. You know, people said things about me.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna mention any names. And he was deliverery
Speaker 3: Le to try to shame me.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about me?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, Lauren, Lauren, and like the whole oh he smells
Speaker 3: and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like, I mean, that's shame. Mean, somebody five miga.
Speaker 3: There's no shame in drinking five margaritas like I do
Speaker 3: that like that was never the thing, but then you
Speaker 3: took it as negative. But now it's like people come
Speaker 3: up to me at the pav and they're like five
Speaker 3: marger readers, Like everyone's buying you drinks now great, they
Speaker 3: buy them for the table they see me having having
Speaker 3: dinner next door at Tropicana and we'll get like five
Speaker 3: margaritas brought to the table on a tray.
Speaker 2: Oh there you go. No, Like, I'm like, who bought this?
Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, it's a secret at Myra.
Speaker 1: It's like margarite is not cheap twenty dollars minimum.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, yeah, people don't mind the margarita comment now,
Speaker 3: but yeah, like I definitely think that there's truth to that.
Speaker 3: You know, they I wouldn't say they can completely change
Speaker 3: to the who you are, but they can exaggerate certain
Speaker 3: parts of you. And that's that's really what happened in
Speaker 3: the start of my kind of journey. I still think
Speaker 3: that I definitely approached the experiment with the wrong mindset,
Speaker 3: you know. I treated it like a you know, matchmaking service,
Speaker 3: which it's obviously not. Just look at their eyes. That
Speaker 3: would be the worst matchmaker of all time. But that's
Speaker 3: the way I walked into it, and so my behavior
Speaker 3: kind of reflected that. And yeah, they kind of exaggerated
Speaker 3: to the end degree and said, right, you know, let's
Speaker 3: make let's take away any semblance of humor. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm naturally pretty self deprecating, like I love to take
Speaker 3: the piss out of myself, Like that's what I do
Speaker 3: on my TikTok all day long.
Speaker 2: And they took that away.
Speaker 3: And then it just came across his arrogant guy like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, like he thinks he's better than everybody.
Speaker 3: And so that that's the way I see that. When
Speaker 3: I came back, I wasn't a different person. I was
Speaker 3: just treating it like an experiment, like, Okay, let's engage
Speaker 3: with this. Let's see where this takes me, not just
Speaker 3: like hang on a minute, I ordered this, not this,
Speaker 3: this is the wrong color.
Speaker 1: Just shut it down instantly. But that was probably for
Speaker 1: the best given how we saw Lauren.
Speaker 2: That was part of it.
Speaker 3: As well, Like people don't see what goes on behind
Speaker 3: the can, and so they they make their assumptions based
Speaker 3: on what's shown, and they really didn't show the sides
Speaker 3: of Lauren that I saw that I was kind of
Speaker 3: like I really feel uncomfortable being on camera with this person,
Speaker 3: like and and so all these things kind of came
Speaker 3: together and that's how that whole journey happened.
Speaker 2: But I'm like grateful.
Speaker 1: That it all happened, Like to me, you love the public, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: even Dave's fallen down, you've ever taken him?
Speaker 2: Has he really? You tell me? No?
Speaker 3: No, Look, I think the way the whole story played out,
Speaker 3: I think it was an amazing experience to be part
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: And you know, I had to go through those tough
Speaker 2: times and couple a little bit of.
Speaker 3: Heat again TikTok following, Yeah, maybe maybe that's what I
Speaker 3: had to do, be that guy for a bit, and yeah,
Speaker 3: that's where it led to.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I don't know where it's going
Speaker 2: to lead.
Speaker 3: I think people were like they're already starting to forget
Speaker 3: who I am, and they're like, hey, hang on, why
Speaker 3: am I following this guy again?
Speaker 2: Like what show?
Speaker 1: Because I work in social media and I even textually
Speaker 1: the other day saying I was genuinely laughing out loud
Speaker 1: at your content. Because reality people often jump on socialism
Speaker 1: think they can just go hi and the world's going
Speaker 1: to love them.
Speaker 3: No, well no, but they will while they're on the show,
Speaker 3: and then the minute the show is over, that high
Speaker 3: means nothing, Like it's like, you know.
Speaker 1: The thing I noticed every Yeah, these people are maths. Afterwards,
Speaker 1: they've gained what maybe one hundred and fifty thousand followers,
Speaker 1: and they've gone from your everyday people who were on
Speaker 1: the show, and they suddenly think they're Kim Kardashian and
Speaker 1: they go, hey, guys, sir, I've not been on today.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing this.
Speaker 2: Look at this.
Speaker 1: And then instantly there's a disconnect because these fans are
Speaker 1: followed that regular person they enjoyed on the show, and
Speaker 1: now you're presenting yourself as above them, and that's why
Speaker 1: everyone loses followers over time. But from the start, you're
Speaker 1: just being funny. You're not trying to be famous, you're
Speaker 1: not trying to go look at me.
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't think anyone wants that content from me.
Speaker 3: Like people like, oh, you should do this, you should
Speaker 3: do that. I'm like, I think I'm just gonna keep
Speaker 3: like making a fool of myself and making these silly
Speaker 3: videos and giving people something to laugh at, and and
Speaker 3: that's what people are coming here for, Like that's and
Speaker 3: that's what I like doing. Like I don't want to
Speaker 3: be you know, I've got Abby Chatsfield coming after me,
Speaker 3: like I need you to do this video denouncing this
Speaker 3: and this and this.
Speaker 2: It is like, dude, like that's not who I am.
Speaker 3: I'm not this like advocate people like, I'm just the
Speaker 3: guy trying to make light of this situation and find
Speaker 3: the humor in it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, like there's no hate or anything.
Speaker 3: Coming from from you know what I'm doing. It's more
Speaker 3: just like can we just kind of like laugh at
Speaker 3: the absurdity.
Speaker 2: Of these situations that we're in it.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, like it's pretty ridiculous the situations
Speaker 3: that we're in. It's like, let's, you know, find some
Speaker 3: humor in it and that'll help us deal with this
Speaker 3: more than anything.
Speaker 1: Jack. And now you've getten such a big following on
Speaker 1: socialis though that will you jump on the only fans? No?
Speaker 1: Because the money that like.
Speaker 2: You know, what is it at the expense of people
Speaker 2: seeing your dick.
Speaker 3: No, I don't have any plans to be on only fans.
Speaker 3: I might make one like a funny one as like
Speaker 3: a do it like a TikTok on it and it'll
Speaker 3: be like, yeah, I don know, me in like a
Speaker 3: paper g string, being like, oh this is why me
Speaker 3: and Lauren didn't work.
Speaker 1: Isn't that old job?
Speaker 2: What's that paper stripper? No tops?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did it.
Speaker 3: I did it for about five or six years.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And on occasion that was nude waiter.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Never, I never went fully nude for that job. I
Speaker 3: did it as like, look, I was in Uni. I
Speaker 3: just I never liked going out, Like I wasn't really
Speaker 3: big on my bars or clubs, and that was like
Speaker 3: my way to kind of like socialize a little bit.
Speaker 1: Like they're going up and take any clubs off just
Speaker 1: my shirt.
Speaker 2: It's just like bottoms are all on. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not really embarrassed.
Speaker 3: Like sometimes it was embarrassing, like you kind of feel
Speaker 3: a little bit objectified. But then you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: you know women probably feel like this a lot, and.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're a feminist.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean I ask Abby, I don't think you're with you. No, No,
Speaker 3: I think I'm pretty I would say. You know, people
Speaker 3: are like, oh he's this, he's out so pretty moderate,
Speaker 3: you know. I I see points from both sides, and
Speaker 3: I don't like to be like part of this whole
Speaker 3: like false dichotomy of like no, no.
Speaker 2: This is bout this bad.
Speaker 3: I think like there's nuance, there's there's you know, things
Speaker 3: need to be kind of fleshed out. But yeah, no,
Speaker 3: when I when I when I did that job, it
Speaker 3: was like more for a laugh and it was never
Speaker 3: like a long term career or anything like that. But
Speaker 3: it's funny that it all comes out. I was waiting
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 1: I was like everything comes up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there's worse things than that,
Speaker 3: So I'm like, whatever is it?
Speaker 1: There's only thing oh in your past already?
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no. I think I'm pretty squeaky clean.
Speaker 3: You know, more would have come out when I was
Speaker 3: like the villain and everyone hated me, Like no one
Speaker 3: came forward being like oh he's a horrible guy or
Speaker 3: this or that.
Speaker 1: Like maybe now you're liked people you may have wronged
Speaker 1: in your past, the more incentive now to come out.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Funny thing was like when I was like hated, I
Speaker 3: had so many people reach out to me, like old friends,
Speaker 3: like people from school haven't spoken to him, like over
Speaker 3: a decade and being like that sucks that they're like
Speaker 3: editing you like that they knew that that wasn't mean.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh that feels good, Like I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, it is just a TV show.
Speaker 2: It is Na, yeah, yeah, like I am who I
Speaker 2: think I am, you know, and that felt good.
Speaker 3: And you know, I obviously had like my family around
Speaker 3: me and my close friends and stuff, so that kind
Speaker 3: of helped a lot.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, uh, where were we have just lost
Speaker 2: my place?
Speaker 1: How are you and Bronica? Oh, we know, we don't
Speaker 1: really talk, haven't spoken since.
Speaker 3: Nah Na, No, It's like, look, I don't harbor any
Speaker 3: kind of grudges or anything, but we're just worlds apart
Speaker 3: in terms of the way we, you know, communicate, the
Speaker 3: way we see the world.
Speaker 1: Do not raise your voice at me like that, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: that did make me a laugh, that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it wasn't funny. At the time.
Speaker 2: I was kind of bit like, yeah it was.
Speaker 3: I felt like, am I losing my mind in this moment?
Speaker 3: Like where the what's going on here? Like I feel
Speaker 3: like I stumbled onto a movie set and I didn't
Speaker 3: have my lines and I'm like ad libbing, like, uh,
Speaker 3: what am I supposed to say here?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Can I get a prompt?
Speaker 1: It did seem a bit like potentially she was maybe
Speaker 1: acting in some of those sins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard you've been chatinger her though she's one
Speaker 2: of your mates, isn't she?
Speaker 1: I phone once that That means we're closer because I
Speaker 1: make you free times.
Speaker 3: Oh so you're a team elliott Man nobody, you know,
Speaker 3: a friend to everybody as a friend to no One,
Speaker 3: Josh friend.
Speaker 1: So that's okay. No, I was saying I phoned her
Speaker 1: to ask if she fucked Dave because and then Jamie
Speaker 1: was maybe hinting she wasn't showing her interviews, so I
Speaker 1: just found her. And Veronica says, now they they grew
Speaker 1: close because they both their fathers are kind of going
Speaker 1: through stuff and they bonded over that. But that context
Speaker 1: was not on the show obviously.
Speaker 3: Oh right, Yeah, so she empathized with Dave and his father.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because her dad had a stroke. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: a stroke before the show.
Speaker 2: I would have loved to be of that empathy.
Speaker 1: I don't know where to take this note.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I look the I'm going to be a bit controversial here.
Speaker 3: But she saw Dave as a useful idiot in that situation.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they slept together, Like it's pretty
Speaker 3: suss the way they were giggling in bed and everything.
Speaker 3: I don't even think that's the important thing. Like she
Speaker 3: kind of used Dave as like, watch me get Elliott back.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get Dave on my side, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell Elliott how great Dave is and how perfect he is.
Speaker 1: And that backfiright.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing was is like they showed me being
Speaker 3: attentive and doing the things that she was talking about
Speaker 3: while she was you know, telling me off for not
Speaker 3: doing them. So it's like I couldn't I couldn't take
Speaker 3: that seriously. There was there was no truth in what
Speaker 3: she was saying. I mean the scene of the seas
Speaker 3: at the Last Commendment ceremony where they turned to the.
Speaker 2: Group and they get everyone.
Speaker 3: They didn't even show everyone piped up about like the
Speaker 3: couple's retreat and how like all these little things we
Speaker 3: did for each other.
Speaker 2: Well I did for her, and they only showed a.
Speaker 3: Couple of them, you know, people talking about the games
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, But there was a lot more
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 2: So I mean, are.
Speaker 1: You saying context was caught out of marred at first sight.
Speaker 2: No, no, but they they didn't need that.
Speaker 3: I feel like they kind of like in a way,
Speaker 3: they sort of protected her a bit. They didn't show
Speaker 3: how bad that scene got where she was yelling and
Speaker 3: like carrying on, like it went a lot deeper than
Speaker 3: what you saw.
Speaker 1: So you guys haven't spoken since reunion? Do you ever
Speaker 1: have plans to reach out? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we don't talk. I don't you know, we've
Speaker 3: we've got irreconcilable.
Speaker 1: Ift like me or my ex husband exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think we'll ever see eye. I have no.
Speaker 3: I don't harbor any kind of grudges, despite what you
Speaker 3: might think of my TikTok.
Speaker 2: That's there.
Speaker 1: Just now, that's comedy.
Speaker 2: I can see that.
Speaker 1: You're not being mean. You're just poking for a stupid storyline.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like, if anything, I'm deprecating myself in that more
Speaker 3: than anything, being like, oh, look, my wife's sleeping with
Speaker 3: somebody else and I'm here like an idiot, Like that's
Speaker 3: none of it is from a place of hate. It's
Speaker 3: all just like let's kind of have you know, laugh.
Speaker 1: But I think that's a good example you're setting, because
Speaker 1: if you're poking for at that, you're basically telling the viewers,
Speaker 1: don't get angry, don't get raped, don't go and hate
Speaker 1: ryon kare just with me exactly.
Speaker 3: These are characters in this show, no one. I don't
Speaker 3: think anyone deserves to be hated, like I think people can.
Speaker 3: They should look at their actions and what they've done
Speaker 3: and and try to be better and learn from them.
Speaker 3: And I say that about you know, everybody that made
Speaker 3: mistakes on the show. I don't think anyone deserves to
Speaker 3: be like canceled and be you know, exiled. And you know,
Speaker 3: I don't believe that. I think that, you know, obviously
Speaker 3: people made mistakes and they should be held to account
Speaker 3: for it. But I don't believe in writing anyone off.
Speaker 3: That's the difference.
Speaker 1: Because you had a what you said was a controversial
Speaker 1: take on the Pilon Karna thing. Then well what was
Speaker 1: that that where viewers were saying he should have been
Speaker 1: sent home? You think production, Yeah, look.
Speaker 3: I think you're going a bit too hard on Channel
Speaker 3: nine about that, like.
Speaker 2: Mine personally, Yeah, yeh yeah, you're like going after them.
Speaker 3: You're like, I don't even see that it's not even
Speaker 3: Maths funny anymore. It's like, no, we're mass bread serious,
Speaker 3: thank you, I'm Maths depressed. No, I the way I
Speaker 3: look at it right, And I I vehemently denounced what
Speaker 3: Paul did.
Speaker 2: I did it on the show. I do it now.
Speaker 3: I think that there's never any reason for anyone to
Speaker 3: be violent, especially in the context of being alone with
Speaker 3: a woman. I think that's despicable behavior. And I said
Speaker 3: it to him, and I said it on camera, and
Speaker 3: I'll say to anyone who asked me. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, Channel nine have a duty of care. And
Speaker 3: Carina and Paul are at that stage still very loved up.
Speaker 3: Karina is minimizing what he did and making you know,
Speaker 3: allowances for it and saying, oh, no, it's only because
Speaker 3: there's like uh and and so you let them go.
Speaker 3: You say, nah, you're off the show, get out of here.
Speaker 3: They're not going to go their separate ways. They're going
Speaker 3: back to Perth together. They might be moving in together.
Speaker 3: Who knows what could happen, you know, who knows how
Speaker 3: many walls will get punched or what will come out
Speaker 3: of that, you know, unsupervised by keeping them in the experiment,
Speaker 3: they're have a producer around them twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3: There's always a producer on call at that apartment block.
Speaker 3: They have cameras around them for most of the day.
Speaker 3: They have access to a clinical psychologist. They enforced Paul
Speaker 3: to do anger management. They prohibited him from drinking any
Speaker 3: alcohol like. To me, that is a stronger duty of
Speaker 3: care than giving them the boot and saying you're out
Speaker 3: of here and letting what happens happen after that. And
Speaker 3: that's a hot take and it's not meant to try
Speaker 3: to defend what Paul did. It's just I'm trying to say,
Speaker 3: maybe that was the right thing to do, to supply
Speaker 3: that duty of care to them.
Speaker 1: And how much have Channel nine paid you to no?
Speaker 1: I mean now I will say, if they're offering I
Speaker 1: haven't thought about it from that perspective, and I think
Speaker 1: that is actually valid. You raise good points. But for me,
Speaker 1: and why I have kind of pushed this storyline is
Speaker 1: because it's what it represents the white to Australia. Imagine
Speaker 1: any man who's at home who has acted violent with
Speaker 1: his wife and she's obviously been upset and she'll say,
Speaker 1: don't do that again, and you know, he's a violent person.
Speaker 1: Imagine them watching that as a couple and he goes, see,
Speaker 1: it's not even that much of a big deal.
Speaker 3: And then I think they made it a big deal
Speaker 3: on the show. Like when watching it, I think they
Speaker 3: tried very hard to show that that is not acceptable behavior,
Speaker 3: it is a big problem in Australia and that it
Speaker 3: will be met with repercussions. He does need to work
Speaker 3: on it is a real issue, like he has to
Speaker 3: do you know, these counseling.
Speaker 1: But they should have shown that them because to make
Speaker 1: it a big point of it, they then sent him
Speaker 1: on holiday with you guys to Byron By two days after.
Speaker 1: Was that his punishment?
Speaker 3: No, he did have to do he he is, well,
Speaker 3: he was doing this anger management counseling, and they showed
Speaker 3: it on the show. They said like, this is what
Speaker 3: is being done, this is what you have to follow.
Speaker 3: I think that, given the circumstances, was better than just
Speaker 3: giving him the boot. It's almost like kind of like
Speaker 3: you do that. That's kind of a cop out, really
Speaker 3: saying that's not our problem. Let the world deal with that.
Speaker 3: They kind of in a sense they took ownership of
Speaker 3: it and said, right, this happened in our custody, so
Speaker 3: we now are responsible to make sure it doesn't happen
Speaker 3: again and to try to rehabilitate him. Interesting, And I look,
Speaker 3: I might be wrong, like I'm not saying that that's.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 3: And you don't know what would have happened if they
Speaker 3: just kicked him out and they went back to Perth together,
Speaker 3: because they were very much still a couple at that point,
Speaker 3: and they would have stayed a couple. I can tell
Speaker 3: you they were very like into each other, very affectionate,
Speaker 3: even after he punched the wall.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's how I see it anyway.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I appreciate your opinion. I don't agree with
Speaker 1: it still, and I think it's a dangerous example, but a.
Speaker 3: Bit a bit of what's more dangerous example is like
Speaker 3: just kicking him out, letting what happens happen?
Speaker 2: Is that a better example? What would you would have done?
Speaker 2: What's the best?
Speaker 3: What's what is your opinion on the best best way forward?
Speaker 1: If I was a producer on that show, and I've
Speaker 1: got producer experience, but radio, I would have brought a
Speaker 1: producer on camera and I would have immediately they would
Speaker 1: have been in the scene where they take pol a
Speaker 1: side and explain the ramifications of that. Not Koreina next
Speaker 1: day upset, saying it no, he should have been removed
Speaker 1: and they should have said to him, this is why
Speaker 1: we're now removing you from the show because we do
Speaker 1: not condone this on this set. We do not want
Speaker 1: to include you and keep your hair.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a good point, and I agree with
Speaker 3: you on they should have pulled it aside immediately, and
Speaker 3: I think that you're right.
Speaker 1: No, just to circle back to not on this time,
Speaker 1: just could you say, like, I personally am going hard
Speaker 1: against nine and it's not because people have this idea
Speaker 1: that they think I'm trying to cancel the show. But
Speaker 1: I've followed this show for so many years, and I
Speaker 1: know I've pretty much worked with every cast member in
Speaker 1: some capacity, and the amount of people who have over
Speaker 1: the years said to the point they've been pushed to
Speaker 1: so many wanting to take their own lives. And I
Speaker 1: just see the show keeps going to new extreme, new extreme,
Speaker 1: and my whole point is reminded, animal, these people are
Speaker 1: real people. You've come full circle, You're liked, and I
Speaker 1: don't know how bad it got for you, and maybe
Speaker 1: I contribute to that, so I'm sorry if I did,
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, like they need to realize, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's not push people as far as we have previously.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's a good analogy for society
Speaker 3: in itself. It's like things are getting.
Speaker 2: More and more extreme.
Speaker 3: Yes, well yeah, like everything life in general just continually
Speaker 3: gets more and more extreme, and so you could see
Speaker 3: it as just an extension of that, and I would
Speaker 3: agree with you, like I think there needs.
Speaker 2: To be boundaries.
Speaker 3: I think they need to respect, you know, people's lives,
Speaker 3: and they shouldn't destroy people. So completely I agree with
Speaker 3: you there, but I think at the same time, your
Speaker 3: channel is mass funny, and we just want a bit
Speaker 3: of that maths funny backing between, I'm just saying every
Speaker 3: time Mass Funny pops up, now, I'm like, oh, no, Like,
Speaker 3: can I get something like less depressing?
Speaker 2: I don't need this heaviness. It's like, Josh, you're this funny,
Speaker 2: like witty, gregarious guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're like Tracy Grimshaw.
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, oh Josh, please, like, can we can
Speaker 3: I get a bit of that maths funny back Like
Speaker 3: that old mass funny. Mostly No, I don't. I didn't
Speaker 3: find that funny. I found it like a bit shocking
Speaker 3: and a bit yeah.
Speaker 1: His response was shocking. He says, it's a me problem.
Speaker 1: What's in on the show? Don't think so, mate.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It just seemed like it seems too
Speaker 2: like gotcha, I don't know. I think I think.
Speaker 1: That's no.
Speaker 2: That's literally what it felt like. But people tune in
Speaker 2: to you to lighten their day out. They don't want
Speaker 2: that heaviness. They don't want.
Speaker 3: The like just let me like I just had a
Speaker 3: hard day's work.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to relax.
Speaker 3: Oh now I'm going to deal with like the today,
Speaker 3: the crippling failings of this you know, rogue TV show
Speaker 3: that's fallen of ve Oh, like no, no, no, can
Speaker 3: I get a bit of like just some lightheartedness please,
Speaker 3: Like I want to see Josh like you know, find
Speaker 3: someone on the street and get them like Johnny, but
Speaker 3: like in a funny way, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like about Margarite, it's catch him and like ah, like
Speaker 3: you know, that's the way I see it. Back noted,
Speaker 3: that's the way I see it, and that's coming from
Speaker 3: the heart like I I love your content.
Speaker 2: I think you're a funny, funny guy. But in my yeah,
Speaker 2: at the moment, I'm like, I want.
Speaker 3: That old Josh back, Like where's the where's the old Josh?
Speaker 2: Like that shell that's I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Moving on, all right, what's funny on my list of questions?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you can I'll make the new Mass funny
Speaker 3: and that'll be my job.
Speaker 2: And then and then you.
Speaker 1: Can be Map's funnier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and then and then you can go down
Speaker 3: that that current affair pathway.
Speaker 1: But John Akin should have answered my questions before.
Speaker 3: I think he's under a contract where he's not allowed to.
Speaker 3: I would say, like he's you know, the dude's it's
Speaker 3: his job. You know, he's not a I would say, John,
Speaker 3: once the clock off, like, let the dude. He's not
Speaker 3: He's not deciding who stays and goes in that situation.
Speaker 1: John Aikin's two favorite words in the show were are
Speaker 1: the accountability and deflection. I tried to hold him accountable.
Speaker 1: He deflected fast up face close.
Speaker 3: I could I could be on your side on that
Speaker 3: one because I was on the other end of those words.
Speaker 3: But I don't think I don't think it's fair to
Speaker 3: put these people in that situation. I don't think he's
Speaker 3: the guy that you need to talk to about that.
Speaker 1: Quick fire questions.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 1: One word to describe Dave.
Speaker 2: Oh quick, he called me off guard.
Speaker 1: That's the point of the game.
Speaker 3: I would say nice in air quotations. Okay, so not nice,
Speaker 3: nice guy.
Speaker 1: One word to describe Lauren.
Speaker 2: Not nice. No, No, my word to describe Lauren would
Speaker 2: just be better.
Speaker 1: One word to describe Vertica, Uh, oh god, you suck
Speaker 1: a question.
Speaker 2: Agree.
Speaker 1: One word to describe Josh.
Speaker 2: I wish it was funny, so do I?
Speaker 1: I wish who's the most genuine on the show?
Speaker 2: Jamie by far?
Speaker 1: Okay, who's biggest flop of the season?
Speaker 2: Lauren? How she conducted herself.
Speaker 1: I think if you're going to be much with anyone else.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like that's appropriate for me to say.
Speaker 3: I feel like all the other brides, I feel like
Speaker 3: I ended up being friends with and they had their
Speaker 3: own relationships, and it feels weird to think of them
Speaker 3: in that say, in that sense, So I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: any of them yeah.
Speaker 1: A lovely response.
Speaker 3: No no, But that's that's literally how I feel like I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like look at when I did that photo rating ranking challenge,
Speaker 3: I didn't. I just like slapped them on the table
Speaker 3: and put Vronica first, and like I copt it for that.
Speaker 2: I was like the worst guy in the world.
Speaker 3: But it was like, that's not appropriate for me to
Speaker 3: sit there and comment about what I find attracting these girls.
Speaker 3: It's like, these are like starting to become my friends.
Speaker 3: I don't want to like say anything about them that
Speaker 3: is going to end up. I don't know, it's just
Speaker 3: got an uncomfortable situation.
Speaker 1: Most like listed you on Only Fans.
Speaker 3: Maybe Dave big Day, Well, Billy, No, Billy, it'd be Billy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be Billy. Yeah, what do you think? What's
Speaker 2: your take?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Billy with the baby oil. Isn't he the one
Speaker 3: posing with baby? Is he already on Only Fans with
Speaker 3: the baby?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's doing club appearances and sat with pap pictures
Speaker 1: and yeah, so maybe definitely Billy. And are you likely
Speaker 1: to join cameo like the rest of the boys I did.
Speaker 3: I did a skit on that on TikTok because I
Speaker 3: saw they were all on it, and I came up
Speaker 3: with this idea of like, oh imagine if I went
Speaker 3: on and then Lauren hired me and I did one
Speaker 3: and it was obviously a joke, and I thought it
Speaker 3: was funny, like I make these and I like laughing
Speaker 3: a moment jokes like and uh, and then everyone's like
Speaker 3: messaging me and doing comments like I can't find you
Speaker 3: on cameo, I can't find your camera. I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do a cameo.
Speaker 2: I thought about it, and it.
Speaker 3: Just feels a bit, I don't know, bits leazy, just
Speaker 3: trying to get a little cash grab. I wouldn't feel
Speaker 3: comfortable taking one hundred dollars or whatever they charge off
Speaker 3: somebody for doing a video message.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't I said, I'll just do I'll make
Speaker 3: a video about this, but I'll do free cameos on
Speaker 3: my TikTok. I'll undercut they even I'll destroy their business.
Speaker 3: You just like, if you've got a funny situation or
Speaker 3: event that I can comment on, and you give me
Speaker 3: some real funny things to like that I can sink
Speaker 3: my teeth into, not just like what's their birthday? Something
Speaker 3: interesting that's like it lines up with all the memes
Speaker 3: you know the margarita and don't raise your voice in
Speaker 3: me stuff and you just do a comment and if
Speaker 3: enough people like it, I'll do it. I'll just do
Speaker 3: one every couple of days and you can have it free.
Speaker 1: It just feel weird that you people have been on
Speaker 1: a show for five minutes and now it's one hundred
Speaker 1: dollars to wish them.
Speaker 2: Are you You're not? Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm all for you people making money off the back
Speaker 1: of the show, but I don't know to that weird.
Speaker 3: I think that if I was gonna try to make
Speaker 3: money off the back of it, it would be by
Speaker 3: doing something.
Speaker 2: That is actually valuable to people, Like it would.
Speaker 3: Be starting something that isn't just because I was on
Speaker 3: the show, like a brand that I feel like I
Speaker 3: could actually bring value to. That would be okay. That
Speaker 3: would sit okay with me. If people got behind it
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, like this is something where you know,
Speaker 3: we really do kind of like appreciate Elio's input on it,
Speaker 3: then yeah. But if it's just like he give me
Speaker 3: some cash and I'll like make a video for you,
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, no, I don't know.
Speaker 2: If that doesn't feel right.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm going to in findulce to ask you.
Speaker 1: I feel like you've kind of like we could go
Speaker 1: into the drama, but I just feel like, what's the point.
Speaker 2: With Like I have no drama with anyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like I the thing is is, like
Speaker 3: I say this stuff like laughing. I have zero ill
Speaker 3: will to anybody from the show. I think that was
Speaker 3: a really interesting group of people and and I'm so
Speaker 3: grateful to have shared that experience with all of them.
Speaker 3: And everyone played their role and they character in the story,
Speaker 3: and I don't have anything negative to say about any
Speaker 3: of them. Like I think that people have things they
Speaker 3: can learn from from looking back at the way they behaved.
Speaker 3: But I carry zero ill will anybody from the show.
Speaker 3: I would have a chat to share.
Speaker 2: A beer with. You know.
Speaker 3: It's weird for me watching people come out and be
Speaker 3: like going hard against other people and being like no,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, like come on, like can we just
Speaker 3: like be like wow, that was a journey that we
Speaker 3: went on together, like.
Speaker 2: That was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: They're like no, this person did this, and it's like
Speaker 3: it's weird because they were friends when they were filming it,
Speaker 3: and now they're like.
Speaker 2: That was the worst person in the world.
Speaker 3: It's like we all hung out together, we were like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's weird to me.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they can do that backflip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's reality TV. They can.
Speaker 2: And then they get out of it and then they're
Speaker 2: knife and each other and like, well.
Speaker 1: That's how kind of people stay relevant in this game,
Speaker 1: like to test someone else down, to push yourself up.
Speaker 3: Sadly, Yeah, I don't know, it's weird. I'm all for jokes.
Speaker 3: I'm all for taking the piss out of each other.
Speaker 3: But but it's it's a joke, you know. We're just
Speaker 3: like making some humor out of it. You know, That's
Speaker 3: the way I see it. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Well, Elliott, it's been a pleasure to have you back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good to like come back with the I'm
Speaker 3: going to keep this letter. This is going on my
Speaker 3: vision board.
Speaker 1: I did want to can't that says I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: there wasn't one in Cold's this morning on the word.
Speaker 2: You know what, I like the congratulations better.
Speaker 3: It's like you're reframing it in a positive way, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 1: Apparently with my whole bround.
Speaker 3: It's like, don't don't apologize, say thanks for your patience.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Have you ever heard that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Wow, it's not I'm sorry, I'm late.
Speaker 3: It's like, thank you for being patient, you know, frame
Speaker 3: it in a positive way.
Speaker 1: And are you going to start like an inspirational podcast.
Speaker 2: I've already done that, haven't you seen? No when I did?
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: I did do one cameo appearance already, and I did
Speaker 3: it as an inspirational one, like this guy who was
Speaker 3: his birthday and it was from his wife and I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you've inspired me earlier.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch I'm gonna be watching the mass funny account.
Speaker 3: I want to see some funniness coming out. Make maths funny,
Speaker 3: Make maths funny funny again, that's my new hat.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't like you when the table's turn on me.
Speaker 1: Oh actually, will you just give my mom a quick message?
Speaker 1: So she's watching it in the UK, she's my UK
Speaker 1: correspondent at the minute. She's two weeks in and think
Speaker 1: she's a dickhead. I've told her she's on her whole
Speaker 1: journey and she doesn't believe it.
Speaker 3: Listen, Mom, just like, just hold your judgment for just
Speaker 3: another couple of weeks. I guarantee you you'll you'll see
Speaker 3: where I'm coming from.
Speaker 2: That's all I would say. And thank you for watching
Speaker 2: the journey.
Speaker 3: And h and for raising such a funny and nice
Speaker 3: young man. And I look forward to hearing your full feedback.
Speaker 2: At the end of the journey.
Speaker 1: Great and get out my studio.
Speaker 3: Do you know how many do you know how many
Speaker 3: moms and NaNs I've facetimed?
Speaker 2: You know what people do now for it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know what people do now when they catch you
Speaker 3: in the street or in public, they immediately just FaceTime
Speaker 3: whoever is the biggest fan of the show. They don't
Speaker 3: even It's not always selfies anymore. It's just you're face
Speaker 3: timing everyone's.
Speaker 2: Nan, you know, and mom.
Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, hey, it's like I've spent I've
Speaker 3: met so many NaNs and moms now it's not even funny,
Speaker 3: but I'm all for it.
Speaker 2: It's been amazing experience.
Speaker 1: You're like Princess Diana for people's person, Princess Diana of MAVs,
Speaker 1: which NASA actually has been claiming that title for years.
Speaker 3: Who exactly, NASA, the Space Agency. Yes, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 3: a big maths you know, alumni, so I don't know
Speaker 3: all the previous maths guys.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, it's been it's been good. I'm loving
Speaker 2: the journey.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to wrap this podcast about eight minutes now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just let me, let me tell my story, Josh.
Speaker 1: Keep going, I'll let you cook.
Speaker 2: No, it's yeah, it's been real.
Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for having me on, and I love the
Speaker 3: circumstances a lot better than the last time.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Eliot, Thank you Josh. You're welcome.