1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,721 Speaker 1: Approche production. 2 00:00:16,161 --> 00:00:19,201 Speaker 2: When you when you finished high school, you began taught 3 00:00:19,201 --> 00:00:19,721 Speaker 2: on with you Dade. 4 00:00:19,761 --> 00:00:19,961 Speaker 1: Yeah. 5 00:00:20,201 --> 00:00:23,321 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I finished school and I look, I auditioned 6 00:00:23,361 --> 00:00:26,761 Speaker 3: a few times through his band, unsuccessfully, and looking back, 7 00:00:26,801 --> 00:00:27,921 Speaker 3: I definitely wasn't ready. 8 00:00:28,001 --> 00:00:30,921 Speaker 2: So you're auditioned. Yeah, So who said no? 9 00:00:31,641 --> 00:00:32,561 Speaker 1: Dad? Really? 10 00:00:32,601 --> 00:00:35,361 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? He said, look, you're nowhere near ready. You 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 3: need to go out and you know, do some other 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,201 Speaker 3: tools with other artists and get some work under your belt. 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,241 Speaker 3: And it's not going to come easy, you know, because 14 00:00:42,521 --> 00:00:45,681 Speaker 3: his band, he's always seen that as the you know, 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,561 Speaker 3: the the best band in the country, one of the 16 00:00:48,561 --> 00:00:49,361 Speaker 3: best bands in the world. 17 00:00:49,441 --> 00:00:52,241 Speaker 2: It's got to be like perfection, just. 18 00:00:52,521 --> 00:00:56,321 Speaker 3: Absolute perfection, and regardless of whether your family or not, 19 00:00:56,401 --> 00:00:57,801 Speaker 3: you have to pull your weight and you have to be, 20 00:00:58,601 --> 00:00:59,721 Speaker 3: you know, at the top of your. 21 00:00:59,601 --> 00:01:00,441 Speaker 1: Game all the time. 22 00:01:00,961 --> 00:01:02,721 Speaker 2: How did I feel when you used to reject you 23 00:01:02,801 --> 00:01:03,041 Speaker 2: from it? 24 00:01:03,641 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: I always kind of took it as like, oh, you know, 25 00:01:05,921 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna work harder. Yeah, And I guess I 26 00:01:08,361 --> 00:01:11,041 Speaker 3: got that work ethic from him, you know. And at 27 00:01:11,041 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: that point I had I'd started getting up and playing 28 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 3: one song in his set from when I was about 29 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,161 Speaker 3: ten years old, and it was always the same song 30 00:01:18,161 --> 00:01:21,241 Speaker 3: as a song called hard to Handle Otis Redding's song, 31 00:01:21,401 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: and we did kind of like the Black Crows version, 32 00:01:24,081 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: and I would get up and play that one song 33 00:01:26,241 --> 00:01:28,521 Speaker 3: whenever I was on school holidays or at the show, 34 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 3: and then I would kind of start asking more, can 35 00:01:31,321 --> 00:01:33,481 Speaker 3: I play two songs? You know, I was always being 36 00:01:33,601 --> 00:01:35,761 Speaker 3: his ear. I would ask him questions like, you know, 37 00:01:35,801 --> 00:01:37,761 Speaker 3: if your drummer was to fall down the stairs and 38 00:01:37,801 --> 00:01:40,041 Speaker 3: break his legs, would you let me play? And so 39 00:01:40,081 --> 00:01:43,401 Speaker 3: I always wanted to be there, and so I guess 40 00:01:43,401 --> 00:01:48,841 Speaker 3: when the opportunity came to audition the first couple of times, 41 00:01:48,841 --> 00:01:52,081 Speaker 3: I wasn't as prepared as I should have been, and 42 00:01:52,121 --> 00:01:54,241 Speaker 3: that was one of the lessons I learned from the rejection. 43 00:01:55,521 --> 00:01:57,521 Speaker 3: And then I went and did the football thing in 44 00:01:57,521 --> 00:02:00,961 Speaker 3: Scotland and playing cricket in you know, coming back playing cricket, 45 00:02:01,001 --> 00:02:06,441 Speaker 3: and then the opportunity came to join the band as 46 00:02:06,441 --> 00:02:12,721 Speaker 3: the keyboard player before drums. So basically there were some 47 00:02:12,801 --> 00:02:16,041 Speaker 3: issues with the keyboard player at the time, and I 48 00:02:16,121 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: was basically just you know, at home on the piano 49 00:02:18,561 --> 00:02:20,281 Speaker 3: and I just kind of like, as Dad was coming in, 50 00:02:20,321 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: I just start playing his songs, showing him that I 51 00:02:22,601 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 3: knew the song forms. It's like, ah, do you want 52 00:02:24,841 --> 00:02:26,401 Speaker 3: to come and fill in for some gigs? And so 53 00:02:27,121 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 3: I did that for like a couple of months. And look, 54 00:02:30,881 --> 00:02:32,961 Speaker 3: I was classically trained as a piano player, and I'm 55 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,761 Speaker 3: definitely a competent pianist, but as a kind of like 56 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,641 Speaker 3: rock keyboard player, I don't have those kinds of chops 57 00:02:39,201 --> 00:02:41,841 Speaker 3: and you know, I didn't have the you know, improvisation 58 00:02:42,041 --> 00:02:43,841 Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff, but I played the parts, 59 00:02:44,201 --> 00:02:45,961 Speaker 3: you know, So I did a decent job there. And 60 00:02:46,001 --> 00:02:48,921 Speaker 3: then I started sneaking percussion into the setups. I'd have 61 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,481 Speaker 3: the keyboard and like congas and tambourines and stuff, and 62 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,281 Speaker 3: I just start like doing whatever I could a cow bell. 63 00:02:56,841 --> 00:02:58,761 Speaker 1: And then the drummer. 64 00:02:58,441 --> 00:03:00,641 Speaker 3: At the time some issues came up with him, and 65 00:03:01,441 --> 00:03:04,321 Speaker 3: then Dad said, well, I'm going to audition drummers again. 66 00:03:04,401 --> 00:03:07,201 Speaker 3: And then I said, this time, I'm going to get it. 67 00:03:07,441 --> 00:03:11,041 Speaker 3: And I made sure that I was really over prepared 68 00:03:11,081 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: that time, and that was just enough. Like Dad said, look, 69 00:03:13,721 --> 00:03:15,201 Speaker 3: I'm going to give you a shot. But you know, 70 00:03:15,281 --> 00:03:18,081 Speaker 3: many people with the audition for that, I don't know, 71 00:03:18,201 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: like I remember seeing like at least five or six 72 00:03:21,161 --> 00:03:24,121 Speaker 3: guys come through the studio. But then you know, in 73 00:03:24,161 --> 00:03:26,241 Speaker 3: the years since, you know, because I've been his drummer 74 00:03:26,281 --> 00:03:29,921 Speaker 3: now over twenty years, and in the years since, I've 75 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,161 Speaker 3: bumped into guys who've gone, oh yeah, we got approached 76 00:03:32,161 --> 00:03:36,321 Speaker 3: about auditioning around then, and you know, I prepared stuff, 77 00:03:36,321 --> 00:03:39,361 Speaker 3: but they've never never got the final call. So maybe 78 00:03:39,401 --> 00:03:42,441 Speaker 3: there was Yeah, I'm guessing all the different members and 79 00:03:42,601 --> 00:03:46,001 Speaker 3: management and all the record labels had kind of put 80 00:03:46,001 --> 00:03:49,841 Speaker 3: forward their names. And then I think finally I impressed 81 00:03:49,841 --> 00:03:52,281 Speaker 3: that enough where he gave me a shot and said, look, 82 00:03:52,641 --> 00:03:54,841 Speaker 3: it's not yours yet, but you've got to earn it, 83 00:03:54,881 --> 00:03:56,441 Speaker 3: but I'm going to give you a chance to do 84 00:03:56,481 --> 00:04:00,561 Speaker 3: this next kind of you know, six months, and I 85 00:04:00,681 --> 00:04:05,561 Speaker 3: just made sure that no mother fucking came around. And 86 00:04:05,921 --> 00:04:08,761 Speaker 3: the thing is, the first gig was fucking horrendous for me. 87 00:04:08,801 --> 00:04:09,921 Speaker 1: It was horrible. 88 00:04:09,961 --> 00:04:13,121 Speaker 3: I remember at that point. You know, this is before 89 00:04:13,121 --> 00:04:16,241 Speaker 3: I had all my endorsements with gear and like, even 90 00:04:16,321 --> 00:04:19,721 Speaker 3: before I was really technical in terms of maintenance of 91 00:04:19,761 --> 00:04:23,001 Speaker 3: gear and stuff. So I went out with Tony Brock, 92 00:04:23,001 --> 00:04:25,721 Speaker 3: who was Dad's drummer when I was growing up a 93 00:04:25,841 --> 00:04:29,001 Speaker 3: kid that he left for me, which was an old 94 00:04:29,001 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: eighties tamer, a beautiful collectible kit, and I remember like 95 00:04:32,761 --> 00:04:35,041 Speaker 3: getting that out of storage and it was all dusty 96 00:04:35,041 --> 00:04:36,521 Speaker 3: and bits were falling apart, and I was like, I 97 00:04:36,601 --> 00:04:39,561 Speaker 3: had to work and I didn't really I hadn't learned 98 00:04:39,561 --> 00:04:41,121 Speaker 3: how to tune drums at that point. 99 00:04:41,361 --> 00:04:43,241 Speaker 1: And do you actually have. 100 00:04:43,201 --> 00:04:45,761 Speaker 2: To tune drums? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. 101 00:04:45,801 --> 00:04:48,241 Speaker 3: Yeah, got the top and bottom skins, and you've got 102 00:04:48,241 --> 00:04:51,721 Speaker 3: to tune them to each other and specific notes and 103 00:04:51,761 --> 00:04:53,601 Speaker 3: tones and what kind of sound you want to go for. 104 00:04:53,681 --> 00:04:56,761 Speaker 3: It's a really big process, and it's something that I've 105 00:04:56,921 --> 00:05:00,321 Speaker 3: spent the last you know, twenty five years developing skills 106 00:05:00,361 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: in that, much like you would in any anything, you know, 107 00:05:03,721 --> 00:05:07,041 Speaker 3: like you train a certain way to kick a ball 108 00:05:07,081 --> 00:05:08,761 Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff, you know. So I 109 00:05:08,801 --> 00:05:12,681 Speaker 3: honed that craft over the next couple of years. But 110 00:05:12,801 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: the first gig, I remember, the bass drum pedal that 111 00:05:16,481 --> 00:05:19,361 Speaker 3: hits the best drum, it just fell apart. It was 112 00:05:19,401 --> 00:05:23,801 Speaker 3: an old vintage one that hadn't been maintained. The chain snapped, 113 00:05:24,241 --> 00:05:26,401 Speaker 3: the footboard kind of the pins came out, and it 114 00:05:26,481 --> 00:05:28,401 Speaker 3: just collapsed in the first song. 115 00:05:28,561 --> 00:05:29,921 Speaker 1: So I was up there. 116 00:05:30,081 --> 00:05:32,281 Speaker 3: You know, playing for thousands of people, and I've got 117 00:05:32,361 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: no bass drum, no spare pedal. So I ended up 118 00:05:35,561 --> 00:05:38,281 Speaker 3: doing the gig hitting the floor tom as a bass drum, 119 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,281 Speaker 3: and it was just like I just felt absolutely, I'm like, 120 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:46,001 Speaker 3: I'm gonna last one gig. And my dad came up 121 00:05:46,161 --> 00:05:48,161 Speaker 3: after the show. He said, I know what happened. I 122 00:05:48,201 --> 00:05:50,961 Speaker 3: saw that and I heard it. He said, don't worry, 123 00:05:51,001 --> 00:05:53,161 Speaker 3: You're not You're not out, but make sure it never 124 00:05:53,201 --> 00:05:57,161 Speaker 3: fucking happened again. He said, anytime stuff like this happens, 125 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:02,761 Speaker 3: learn learn a lesson, be better, and never let it 126 00:06:02,801 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 3: happen again. So Ever since that first gig, I've always 127 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,561 Speaker 3: had two, sometimes even three battles backups for everything, space, 128 00:06:10,601 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: snare drums, space symbols. It's like, you know, I even 129 00:06:14,681 --> 00:06:17,241 Speaker 3: when I'm traveling overseas, I travel with lots of spare 130 00:06:17,281 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: parts because little things like rental kits and stuff, they're 131 00:06:21,681 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: never maintained properly. So yeah, there's always little things that 132 00:06:25,561 --> 00:06:28,521 Speaker 3: you need to replace, so I always travel with everything. 133 00:06:28,761 --> 00:06:30,281 Speaker 1: That first gig, Wow, that was going. 134 00:06:30,201 --> 00:06:32,561 Speaker 2: To be my next question. Have you ever fed anything 135 00:06:32,601 --> 00:06:33,241 Speaker 2: ever fucked up? 136 00:06:34,921 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: Well that that's definitely the most that the kind of 137 00:06:38,561 --> 00:06:40,241 Speaker 3: biggest lesson I learnt was that first gig. 138 00:06:40,281 --> 00:06:43,281 Speaker 1: But you know, I've had stuff where like I remember 139 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:43,641 Speaker 1: I was. 140 00:06:43,561 --> 00:06:46,001 Speaker 3: On tour with a group called the ten Tennas in 141 00:06:46,081 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: Europe and one of the stage riggers hadn't put the 142 00:06:50,041 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: stairs up to my drum kit together properly and they 143 00:06:52,481 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: collapsed when I walked up onto stage and I ended up. 144 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,041 Speaker 1: Doing the ligaments in my ankle. It was really bad. 145 00:06:58,081 --> 00:06:59,681 Speaker 3: So I had like the first kind of a few 146 00:06:59,721 --> 00:07:02,281 Speaker 3: weeks of that tour with my right foot in a 147 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:02,961 Speaker 3: bucket device. 148 00:07:03,241 --> 00:07:03,801 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 149 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,961 Speaker 3: And I had double pedals point, so I was playing 150 00:07:06,081 --> 00:07:07,601 Speaker 3: all the lead pedal with my. 151 00:07:07,601 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: Left foot because fuck. 152 00:07:09,401 --> 00:07:13,001 Speaker 3: While that recovered, So, you know, shit stuff that people 153 00:07:13,041 --> 00:07:15,641 Speaker 3: don't see from the front, but you know, wow, I 154 00:07:15,681 --> 00:07:17,601 Speaker 3: was getting like physio and needling all that sort of 155 00:07:17,601 --> 00:07:21,881 Speaker 3: stuff done in between broken that ankle a few times before, 156 00:07:21,961 --> 00:07:24,801 Speaker 3: so it was like it was like horrible And this 157 00:07:24,961 --> 00:07:25,441 Speaker 3: was like at. 158 00:07:25,361 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: The start of a four month tour. Wow. 159 00:07:29,041 --> 00:07:30,601 Speaker 3: But you know, at the same time, when all that 160 00:07:30,641 --> 00:07:32,161 Speaker 3: sort of stuff happens, you got to make sure the 161 00:07:32,161 --> 00:07:33,881 Speaker 3: people in front you don't notice. 162 00:07:33,801 --> 00:07:35,641 Speaker 1: Notice and it happens. 163 00:07:35,681 --> 00:07:37,561 Speaker 2: Wow. Who's who's your favorite artist? 164 00:07:37,761 --> 00:07:37,961 Speaker 1: Yeah? 165 00:07:38,201 --> 00:07:40,641 Speaker 2: You would like to when you're growing up as an 166 00:07:40,641 --> 00:07:41,441 Speaker 2: idol or something like that. 167 00:07:41,481 --> 00:07:44,441 Speaker 3: Besides your dad, Well, that was obviously, as always and 168 00:07:44,521 --> 00:07:48,081 Speaker 3: still is my hero and where I've learned the most. 169 00:07:48,241 --> 00:07:52,801 Speaker 3: But Bruce Springsteen's definitely a big favorite of mine, and 170 00:07:53,961 --> 00:07:55,921 Speaker 3: you know, I've been fortunate enough to see him play 171 00:07:56,001 --> 00:08:00,881 Speaker 3: many times, open for him with Dad, meet him several times, 172 00:08:00,921 --> 00:08:02,161 Speaker 3: and get to know a. 173 00:08:02,201 --> 00:08:03,121 Speaker 1: Lot of the band as well. 174 00:08:03,401 --> 00:08:04,961 Speaker 2: Is there a band that you'd love to play with? 175 00:08:05,801 --> 00:08:10,881 Speaker 1: That band? That's definitely one of them. 176 00:08:11,881 --> 00:08:15,201 Speaker 3: Look, so many bands I like, a really big variety 177 00:08:15,241 --> 00:08:17,321 Speaker 3: of music, and there's so many artists that I've gotten 178 00:08:17,321 --> 00:08:19,321 Speaker 3: to know over the years that you know, Look, I'm 179 00:08:19,361 --> 00:08:21,681 Speaker 3: pretty fortunate that I've played with a lot of them. Yeah, 180 00:08:22,801 --> 00:08:25,321 Speaker 3: so I'm very lucky in that regard. But yeah, Bruce 181 00:08:25,361 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: would be a dream gig. 182 00:08:26,841 --> 00:08:28,641 Speaker 2: See I was waiting for you to say the Wiggles. 183 00:08:30,761 --> 00:08:33,321 Speaker 2: I was actually waiting for you to say the Wiggles. 184 00:08:33,361 --> 00:08:35,121 Speaker 2: I seen that and I went, oh, fucking hell. 185 00:08:36,761 --> 00:08:38,921 Speaker 3: I get recognized just as much for the Wiggles now 186 00:08:38,961 --> 00:08:41,121 Speaker 3: as I do working with Dad and other artists. So 187 00:08:42,081 --> 00:08:44,881 Speaker 3: it was great. You know, like we've always come across 188 00:08:44,921 --> 00:08:47,401 Speaker 3: those guys over the years and gotten to know them. 189 00:08:47,441 --> 00:08:52,161 Speaker 3: And I think the last meeting with those guys before 190 00:08:52,201 --> 00:08:54,841 Speaker 3: I actually started working with them was in Darwin and 191 00:08:54,881 --> 00:08:56,401 Speaker 3: it was a day off and we were just walking. 192 00:08:56,841 --> 00:08:58,481 Speaker 3: I was walking with Dad and Mum trying to find 193 00:08:58,481 --> 00:09:00,841 Speaker 3: somewhere to eat, and bumped into a few of those guys, 194 00:09:01,481 --> 00:09:04,481 Speaker 3: Anthony and stuff, and and we just kind of like 195 00:09:04,521 --> 00:09:06,281 Speaker 3: we'd always bumped into each other on the road. But 196 00:09:06,321 --> 00:09:08,641 Speaker 3: then we're like, let's catch up in Sydney and actually 197 00:09:08,681 --> 00:09:12,401 Speaker 3: do something. And at that point Dad was it was 198 00:09:12,441 --> 00:09:16,441 Speaker 3: in the process of writing a children's book. It was 199 00:09:16,441 --> 00:09:20,521 Speaker 3: a kind of a character based around my nephew, and 200 00:09:20,601 --> 00:09:22,681 Speaker 3: so my dad was talking to them about that and 201 00:09:22,721 --> 00:09:24,921 Speaker 3: they said, oh, why don't you come into Wiggle's HQ, 202 00:09:25,161 --> 00:09:28,881 Speaker 3: will you know, animate it, write some music for it, 203 00:09:28,961 --> 00:09:29,641 Speaker 3: make an album. 204 00:09:30,361 --> 00:09:33,041 Speaker 2: But they didn't give you a colose T shirt to wear, nahn. 205 00:09:34,881 --> 00:09:38,201 Speaker 3: I think Dad did like a he did a like 206 00:09:38,241 --> 00:09:40,361 Speaker 3: a charity gig with them. He got up as a 207 00:09:40,401 --> 00:09:42,121 Speaker 3: special guest years ago and I think he had a 208 00:09:42,161 --> 00:09:42,721 Speaker 3: black skivvy. 209 00:09:42,761 --> 00:09:49,561 Speaker 2: So I want to listen to the episode in full. 210 00:09:49,801 --> 00:09:51,001 Speaker 2: Click the link in the description.