Speaker 1: I want the fairy tale.
Speaker 2: I want the prince charming.
Speaker 3: She how do I put?
Speaker 4: This?
Speaker 5: Isn't a fan of my kissing style.
Speaker 2: We would boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours.
Speaker 3: He's in a trash bin.
Speaker 1: He's non recyclable, catching the mup.
Speaker 5: I love being love, I love love.
Speaker 2: On today's exclusive episode of Where's Your Head At, we
Speaker 2: are talking to relationship coaches Hailey, Michelle Andrews, and her
Speaker 2: partner Sam. We will be diving into jealousy in relationships
Speaker 2: and moving from a monogamous relationship to an open one.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned.
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Speaker 5: This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip,
Speaker 5: intimate details, advice, and much more. Okay, and I think
Speaker 5: I've just shaken my hangover from the weekend. And your
Speaker 5: birthday was amazing. It was awesome. There was it was
Speaker 5: on a boat. We were all white, There was a
Speaker 5: champagne tower. There was a dude playing a saxophone. And
Speaker 5: this is what I remember because I have been to
Speaker 5: some states, but this was I was in some serious strife.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I didn go overboard, I know,
Speaker 2: to be honest, I was like, someone give mad a
Speaker 2: dinghy because he looks like he's got some sea legs
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 5: Oh well, we went out afterwards, and this is, you know,
Speaker 5: the tailing of a good night. I obviously wanted to
Speaker 5: keep going. Genevieve had had enough, so she just got
Speaker 5: a new bar, went home. I woke up, came to
Speaker 5: I don't even know what time. Oh god, didn't have
Speaker 5: a Sallyar phone. I had my wallet. I just was
Speaker 5: lost outs on a park bench, passed out and I
Speaker 5: just had to walk down to Chapel Street, hailed a cab,
Speaker 5: got home, no keys, climbed to a window, passed out
Speaker 5: in bed.
Speaker 2: Jeez, so you lost your phe I.
Speaker 5: Did lose my phone, so I was off the socials,
Speaker 5: off my phone for about forty eight hours.
Speaker 3: So I got a new one and that was actually
Speaker 3: quite healthy.
Speaker 4: For me.
Speaker 3: The twenty four hours.
Speaker 5: It actually helped me a little bit. But how did
Speaker 5: you How did you find your party?
Speaker 2: Honestly, the first hour was just kind of like getting
Speaker 2: everyone on board, making sure everything was as I wanted
Speaker 2: it to be, making sure everyone had drinks, was having
Speaker 2: a good time, and then as soon as the boat
Speaker 2: took off we'd done the Champagne tower. I kind of
Speaker 2: just took a big sigh of relief and was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: now I can really have fun and party and relax
Speaker 2: and I don't know, like having a thirtieth birthday party.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I did it. Like it was everything
Speaker 2: I wanted it to be and some and yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it's just amazing having all of the close people
Speaker 2: in your life together all at once. Everyone's mingling, making
Speaker 2: new connections. Everyone was really living in the present. I
Speaker 2: asked people to not post that night and just post
Speaker 2: the next day, so people were less focused on social media,
Speaker 2: I guess, and just really enjoying the night. And it
Speaker 2: was so fun, Like I had the best night.
Speaker 5: I remember that the boat took a while to take off,
Speaker 5: and I didn't understand why. I'm like, oh, we're all aboard,
Speaker 5: can we break a car? Let's take off. And that
Speaker 5: was where I got into some serious strife. That was
Speaker 5: when I just kept knocking back champagne and that was
Speaker 5: where it all turned. It all went sound, Yeah, it
Speaker 5: went south from there, But I've got a funny story. Actually,
Speaker 5: So the bar was right next to the women's toilets.
Speaker 5: So I'm at the bar, you know, usually where I
Speaker 5: am getting another drink, and Jen was trying to go
Speaker 5: to the bathroom but it was locked. She's like, I'm
Speaker 5: busting and busting. I'm like, all right, well let's wait,
Speaker 5: So I grab our drinks were standing there waiting. After
Speaker 5: I think about like ten twenty minutes, the door opens
Speaker 5: and it's Anna in a whole new outfitsh.
Speaker 3: I was like what.
Speaker 5: And you had this big neon light with thirty above
Speaker 5: your head and I was like, what's going on? You
Speaker 5: had three outfit changes in one night. It was quite extraordinary.
Speaker 5: Tell me a bit about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was very extreme, but I just thought,
Speaker 2: I want a new outfit for every decade I've been alive,
Speaker 2: So three outfits for three decades. And yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 2: Like it took a little bit of help, so I
Speaker 2: had all my friends helping in the toilet, like changing
Speaker 2: my outfits and helping. Like one was a corset like jumpsuits,
Speaker 2: so people were like strapping me into it. So it
Speaker 2: took a bit of man power, but we got through
Speaker 2: it and it was fun, Like it was fun changing
Speaker 2: it up. I couldn't choose what outfit I wanted. So
Speaker 2: I was just like, fuck it, let's just have all three.
Speaker 2: The neon sign on the head seems like a good
Speaker 2: idea because it was dark on the boat, and I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would encourage anyone to have an outfit change fun.
Speaker 5: Three curtain changes, all right. And I saw you alluded
Speaker 5: to something on our last episode when we were talking
Speaker 5: about your thirty tips. Before thirty you mention that you
Speaker 5: were getting a surprise, and you tell us later, Well.
Speaker 3: Tell us now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So me and Michael and one of my best friends,
Speaker 2: Sarah went to the tattoo parlor and I got my
Speaker 2: first ever tattoo.
Speaker 3: Wow did it hurt?
Speaker 5: Where I was it?
Speaker 3: Where is it?
Speaker 2: It's in the inside of my arm. So it's a
Speaker 2: little star. It's for my Nana. When she passed away,
Speaker 2: I kept seeing a single star and the sky, and
Speaker 2: I think I just knew it was her. When I
Speaker 2: was flying over to the UK, I was actually in
Speaker 2: the air and I remember looking at the window of
Speaker 2: the plane and there was so many stars in the sky,
Speaker 2: like hundreds. And then I went to sleep for an
Speaker 2: hour and I woke up and I remember looking at
Speaker 2: the time, which actually ended up being the time that
Speaker 2: she passed away, and I pulled up the plane window
Speaker 2: cover and there was just one star in the sky
Speaker 2: of a sudden and I think in that moment, I
Speaker 2: just knew that she had passed. And from then on
Speaker 2: I just kept constantly seeing a single star in the
Speaker 2: sky until my papa, her husband passed, and then I
Speaker 2: never saw it again, and I'm sure I will see
Speaker 2: it again, but yeah, it just was pretty significant to
Speaker 2: me and just kind of made me like know that
Speaker 2: she was still there and still watching. So I decided
Speaker 2: to get that.
Speaker 5: It's really sweet. Actually I didn't realize that was the story. Yeah,
Speaker 5: now that you've got the first tattoo, do you reckon
Speaker 5: there's more coming? Because they say you want you get
Speaker 5: the first one, they all come.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean Michael was in there with me and he
Speaker 2: doesn't have any tattoos yet, but he was kind of like, Oh,
Speaker 2: if we had more time, I definitely get a tattoo.
Speaker 2: And we have spoken about potentially getting couple's tattoos.
Speaker 3: That's a big thing here.
Speaker 2: I mean, Matt's already taken the plant, so but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think, like I don't know, if maybe we were
Speaker 2: going to get married or something or engaged or whatever.
Speaker 2: It is, Like if there was like an event in
Speaker 2: our relationship that happened, we might get one. But other
Speaker 2: than that, like I don't really feel like that need
Speaker 2: and like desire to have more, Like I really just
Speaker 2: wanted something really small, really simple, Like it's in the
Speaker 2: inside of my arm so it's not super noticeable, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm really happy with it.
Speaker 5: Watch this space, Anna and Michael are going to Barley.
Speaker 5: Who knows what might happen on one of the drunken nights,
Speaker 5: might stumble in to a tattoo parlor and get initials.
Speaker 5: You had some great presence on the night as well.
Speaker 5: Do you want to tell us any of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's talk about the present you got me
Speaker 2: you wanted to say, I was just say because it
Speaker 2: was really cute Matt, like, honestly, to be honest, I
Speaker 2: was expecting Matt to get me nothing like I was
Speaker 2: thinking I might get a card, and honestly that would
Speaker 2: have been amazing, But Matt went above and beyond Matt
Speaker 2: and Jen. The first thing you got me, which I
Speaker 2: thought was super sentimental, very sweet, was you got me
Speaker 2: our first ever script that we did for where's your
Speaker 2: head at? And you framed it, yeah, and it was
Speaker 2: all rough and it was just like very raw, And
Speaker 2: I just love that because it is it's such a
Speaker 2: night like in this podcast, like we've come such a
Speaker 2: long way. We have so many listeners now and we're
Speaker 2: super grateful for the community that we have, and it
Speaker 2: was a nice kind of like mark of how far
Speaker 2: we've come from that first very basic script that I looked.
Speaker 5: Over it as I was printing it off and I
Speaker 5: was like, I should fix this to what our standard
Speaker 5: is now, and then I was like, probably not, Let's
Speaker 5: just leave it how it is.
Speaker 2: And then the second thing that you guys got me
Speaker 2: was a beautiful Siriah and Sebastian necklace, which I'm obsessed
Speaker 2: with Siriah and Sebastian. It's a super fine necklace. It
Speaker 2: has a little m on it. So when I first
Speaker 2: opened it, I was like, is Matt getting me a
Speaker 2: necklace from Matt? And then I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: he's getting me one from Michael, maybe both of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that was all Jen. So thank you Jen
Speaker 5: for that again, Yeah, thank you for that idea she
Speaker 5: got you and and Jen brought herself one as well
Speaker 5: she got one for Matthew and you for Michael.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I love it so, thank you guys. It
Speaker 2: was a very sweet gift. All right. So we have
Speaker 2: relationship coaches, Hailey and Sam back to talk about all
Speaker 2: things jealousy and moving and transitioning from a monogamous relationship
Speaker 2: into an open one. So stay tuned.
Speaker 5: So I've got to ask you, guys, are you guys
Speaker 5: monogamous or are you in an open relationship? How does
Speaker 5: it work?
Speaker 6: Yeah? So Sam and I for the last two years
Speaker 6: we've been completely monogamous, completely devoted and this beautiful, sacred
Speaker 6: container and just recently we've started to toy with the
Speaker 6: idea of possibly being open but in a very sacred,
Speaker 6: conscious container.
Speaker 1: And so for me.
Speaker 6: Personally, the desire for possibly another woman, I feel like
Speaker 6: that could be so healing for me to experience that.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of feminine betrayal.
Speaker 6: In my past, like this life, many lifetimes. Also maybe
Speaker 6: potential for another couple.
Speaker 1: We're not sure. We're kind of just like delving into
Speaker 1: a lot of this.
Speaker 4: Down so that we're very very open. And I think
Speaker 4: this is the most powerful thing is when we talk
Speaker 4: about this conscious communication is just to be able to
Speaker 4: speak this truth, and like we've been speaking into recently,
Speaker 4: just because we speak about this doesn't mean it's something
Speaker 4: we have to do. Yeah, it's about being having the
Speaker 4: space and being able to speak openly and honestly. And
Speaker 4: it's something like for me has been a challenge my
Speaker 4: entire life because my fear was always hurting people and
Speaker 4: hurting the ones I love, and so there were times
Speaker 4: where I didn't share that truth and that was something
Speaker 4: that I've spoken to recently where I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 4: sure if monogamy is my truth, Like I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if that's how I think I am or how people are. Necessarily,
Speaker 4: I think everyone has their own choice, and so just
Speaker 4: being able to speak into that because it's like when
Speaker 4: we look at the feminine energy again we speak about this,
Speaker 4: it's like the feminine desires love and connection above all,
Speaker 4: else whereas the masculine craves freedom and purpose, and sometimes
Speaker 4: monogamy can take away from that freedom. And so it's
Speaker 4: something that I've spoken to. It's not necessarily us doing
Speaker 4: this or being open, but it's the freedom of being
Speaker 4: able to speak that truth and being met in a
Speaker 4: space where that's received. So it's definitely something where we're
Speaker 4: open to.
Speaker 1: Definitely open to exploring.
Speaker 6: And also like I think we all love beauty, and
Speaker 6: I feel like in this society it has been shunned
Speaker 6: to speak into finding something else beautiful or attractive, Like
Speaker 6: it is so healthy, Like if we see.
Speaker 1: A beautiful woman, it's like, hey, that fucking woman is beautiful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and not get triggered by that. It's appreciated.
Speaker 6: It's appreciating art. It's like we are all attracted.
Speaker 4: To beauty, yea absolutely.
Speaker 6: And just because we're in a closed relationship in this
Speaker 6: closed container, it doesn't mean that we we don't see
Speaker 6: that or notice that or maybe desire it sometimes. And
Speaker 6: I think it's healthy to be able to speak into
Speaker 6: these things absolutely.
Speaker 4: Again, it's like not suppressing, you, not suppressing only the
Speaker 4: negative on that comes when there's a suppression. So it's
Speaker 4: been able to speak our truth and then to be
Speaker 4: received in that that space where it's like that just
Speaker 4: because oh I find that woman attractive doesn't mean I
Speaker 4: want to go and have sex with that woman, you know,
Speaker 4: it's just it's admiring it and acknowledging that and then
Speaker 4: maybe then yeah, maybe then you're like yeah, me too,
Speaker 4: you know, and then maybe she's like, those guys are
Speaker 4: fucking hot and there's so much power around that when
Speaker 4: we you know, this is something that we've experienced, like
Speaker 4: speaking this truth and being in that container, and it's
Speaker 4: something that for me personally, I have a maybe a
Speaker 4: bit more experience with this some terms of love temples
Speaker 4: and really conscious connection. But it's like when we can
Speaker 4: express our sexuality in such a healthy way and without
Speaker 4: jealousy and without fear, understanding that we are all one
Speaker 4: on the biggest scale of things. So how can we
Speaker 4: overcome this these things that are coming up? Why are
Speaker 4: they coming up? And how can we really be in
Speaker 4: that divine union share that sacred energy.
Speaker 6: And for us, a big one is because there's there's
Speaker 6: a lot of polyamorous couples out there, and for us,
Speaker 6: what we believe at our core is that this container
Speaker 6: has to be solid first, and if there is a desire,
Speaker 6: is it coming from an unmet need within the relationship,
Speaker 6: because if it is, that's.
Speaker 1: What needs attention first.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So there are a lot of people out there
Speaker 6: playing in this realm that aren't in a sacred safe
Speaker 6: container to begin with, and they're look searching outward for
Speaker 6: something else to fulfill them. They're not getting in the
Speaker 6: relationship where Sam and I have been the last two
Speaker 6: years completely devoted to each other, to our growth, and
Speaker 6: we've gotten to this certain level where it's like, hey,
Speaker 6: now we might be ready to let someone else into
Speaker 6: our sacred container and it would be a very specific energy.
Speaker 3: You're looking for a couple, Michael Quadruple Dan, I want.
Speaker 2: To talk to you guys about Obviously, you guys are
Speaker 2: both deeply in love with each other. It's very clear,
Speaker 2: and just like you guys are a beautiful couple. It
Speaker 2: must be hard if you've been monoga for the past
Speaker 2: two years and to now be shifting potentially, Like I know,
Speaker 2: nothing is certain, but if you guys were to be open,
Speaker 2: even just talking to you guys, like I think I
Speaker 2: can feel a lot of fear inside me bubbling over
Speaker 2: because it's just like, oh my god, you don't want
Speaker 2: to lose them, Like, can you talk more on that,
Speaker 2: because yeah, I can definitely feel like the fear even
Speaker 2: within myself.
Speaker 4: We definitely can oh yeah, And this is this is
Speaker 4: something again where it comes to this, this the mindset
Speaker 4: of things, and I'm not sure of attachment style.
Speaker 1: Yeah at all. Yeah, Yeah, so.
Speaker 4: That you know that the love addict and the love
Speaker 4: a void a and so it takes work to come
Speaker 4: to that space of a really secure attachment. Yeah, And
Speaker 4: I think before any of this discussion can even happen,
Speaker 4: we have to be secure within ourselves. I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: sure you can still explore that avenue, but it's potentially
Speaker 4: gonna open a can of worm. So it can be
Speaker 4: very healing, Yeah, it can be, but for it to
Speaker 4: be really in that state of pleasure, I think it's
Speaker 4: really important that we're doing the internal work first. And
Speaker 4: we both know that from within each other. And I've
Speaker 4: known that, you know, I've known that for a long time.
Speaker 4: Like it's like it's kind of why we're just coming
Speaker 4: into this now, into these conversations and what it comes
Speaker 4: down to. Ultimately, it's a simple choice. It's a simple
Speaker 4: choice of love or fear. Yeah, am I choosing or
Speaker 4: am I choosing fear?
Speaker 2: My attachment style is anxious avoidant. And it's interesting hearing
Speaker 2: you say like we have to do the work to
Speaker 2: get to a secure attachment because I've always believed that
Speaker 2: I can never get to a secure attachment like I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I could never possibly be secure in a relationship like
Speaker 2: that's too out of my comfort zone.
Speaker 1: I guess, how.
Speaker 2: Do people do that work to get to a secure
Speaker 2: attachment style? I guess is my question?
Speaker 4: Huge, huge work like this, This is the core of
Speaker 4: a lot of what we do. When I mean, for
Speaker 4: some people it can be easy, and others it depends
Speaker 4: on that experience you've had in you know, your weather,
Speaker 4: you've experienced trauma around this I'm coming from. I was
Speaker 4: that in that space of the avoidance where that came
Speaker 4: from has been such a huge part of my healing journey.
Speaker 4: So I think the first step to understand from my
Speaker 4: perspective is that these challenges that we're faced in life,
Speaker 4: these things that have caused us pain, are actually gifts.
Speaker 4: So these are actually gifts for us to dive into
Speaker 4: our emotions, into our healing so we can come to
Speaker 4: that space of secure because our natural state is secure.
Speaker 4: Our natural state is love and joy. That is where
Speaker 4: we are, and then things have happened to us that
Speaker 4: take us away from that. But the depths that we've
Speaker 4: been taken away from that, the depths that we can
Speaker 4: feel our pain is equal to the depths, we can
Speaker 4: feel our pleasure. So once we can sort of reframe,
Speaker 4: and this is what it's really about, reframing these things
Speaker 4: that have happened to us. And sometimes they're terrible, you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes they're really it's very hard to see it as
Speaker 4: a gift, but to understand there's always a silver lining
Speaker 4: to the cloud, no matter how dark it is, and
Speaker 4: just focusing on that silver lining.
Speaker 1: It's a deep journey, sister.
Speaker 6: It's deep, it takes work, it doesn't just happen overnight.
Speaker 6: And there's not just this lifetime of trauma. There's past
Speaker 6: lifetimes of trauma, and there's collective feminine betrayals, feminine wounding.
Speaker 1: There's a whole lot that's there.
Speaker 6: So yeah, to come to that secure attachment really takes
Speaker 6: a deep delve inwards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no one this is the way and it's
Speaker 1: not linear.
Speaker 4: I think it's also I understay again that reframe of like,
Speaker 4: the work doesn't have to be hard, the work can
Speaker 4: be fun. We can be vulnerable and we can say like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is where I'm coming from, this is what I'm
Speaker 4: struggling with, and then we can find the joy in
Speaker 4: working together to heal those wounds. It doesn't have to
Speaker 4: be hard, it doesn't have to be traumatic. So that there,
Speaker 4: and I think it's just about having that safe space
Speaker 4: and that container to do so. So it really comes
Speaker 4: from first and foremost being vulnerable, being vulnerable with ourselves,
Speaker 4: and then being vulnerable with each other.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like bringing everything out of the shadows, because,
Speaker 6: like you mentioned before, what was coming up for you
Speaker 6: was fear like maybe losing this love, and it's like
Speaker 6: actually speaking into that, like, hey, there's jealousy arising for
Speaker 6: me right now, So what is that jealousy actually showing me?
Speaker 1: What do I need to look at? What is underneath that?
Speaker 6: As women, especially in my love, there was a time
Speaker 6: in our life not long ago, fifty years ago, where
Speaker 6: we couldn't survive without a man, right, We couldn't even
Speaker 6: have a bank account with our name on it. We
Speaker 6: needed a man to survive. So back then, every woman
Speaker 6: became our enemy because she was a.
Speaker 1: Threat to our survival.
Speaker 6: So this is what we're working on on a very
Speaker 6: deep level.
Speaker 4: This is what I thought of it like that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a.
Speaker 6: Lot of every single woman became a threat, she became
Speaker 6: your enemy, And this is what we're rewriting this is
Speaker 6: what we're we're breaking through.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it's a personal experience that you have
Speaker 4: in your life as well. Come through that, and it's
Speaker 4: so beautiful to see like knowing and understanding what you've
Speaker 4: experienced in life and where you've come from and to
Speaker 4: see how you've changed that. Yeah, you know, you know
Speaker 4: it's still a jealousy was still a challenge when when we.
Speaker 6: When we first got together, I was like, fucking, no
Speaker 6: one's coming near my man. You know, it's deep, it's deep,
Speaker 6: and like Sam said before, the woman's primal need is
Speaker 6: like love and connection. So when we feel like there
Speaker 6: could be a threat there, of course that jealousy can
Speaker 6: come up. And how often are we actually speaking into
Speaker 6: that jealousy or how often are we like trying to
Speaker 6: push it away and shame it because that's not okay.
Speaker 6: You know, how transparent are you with your partner? Like, actually,
Speaker 6: feelings of jealousy are coming up for me right now?
Speaker 6: Or is it just a projection of that jealousy?
Speaker 4: And it's like, is that jealousy warranted? Like no, really
Speaker 4: don't to speak openly and honestly about that, Like is
Speaker 4: that something like are you actually here attracted this woman
Speaker 4: and want her not speaking that to me or or
Speaker 4: like or is this something that I'm creating in my
Speaker 4: mind and my creating a stuf.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when we come into that conscious communication around it,
Speaker 6: I mean, there would be so many women that I
Speaker 6: feel like, oh, Sam into that woman and he's totally not.
Speaker 1: But I've created this whole story in my head.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the past experiences there, I've been there.
Speaker 3: Anna is very guilty of that.
Speaker 5: And every time she calls me and says something, I
Speaker 5: have to reassure that like, yeah, she just own head,
Speaker 5: there's nothing to worry about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is this is powerful. This is where the
Speaker 6: conversation needs to be totally. This is what because we
Speaker 6: feel so alone in that right, Like how often have
Speaker 6: you thought like I'm fucking psycho because I have these feelings.
Speaker 6: No one else has these feelings and I'm so alone.
Speaker 2: I always talk into this with my partner Michael, and like,
Speaker 2: you know, if I feel jealous, He's the first person
Speaker 2: to know about it, so it's not like I'm hiding
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, second yeah.
Speaker 4: And it's interesting how we then also attract situations like
Speaker 4: there are times what we've been out and like I
Speaker 4: mean there is reason for you to be that way something.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, women flock to him and I'm like, and
Speaker 6: it's and it's not like get out my fucking sword.
Speaker 4: Literally, it's not just like a you know, coming over
Speaker 4: and having a look or but it's like they'll be
Speaker 4: girls and they just hang around all night. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: we're kind of like seriously, but it's interesting how then
Speaker 4: that's been attracted as well because of the wind. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and that's so beautiful to see how that shipped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and now.
Speaker 4: We're really able to speak in these conversations because of
Speaker 4: that healing that's happened.
Speaker 1: So it is possible.
Speaker 4: It is absolutely.
Speaker 1: It's a general work, but it's possible.
Speaker 6: And that and when we come to that space, it's
Speaker 6: where real deep love and true connection can come from,
Speaker 6: because we can't love from fear.
Speaker 5: Thank you guys for listening to this exclusive content from
Speaker 5: Haley and Sam. We thought we'd give you a little
Speaker 5: bit of f shark because you guys were loving the
Speaker 5: first one. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Until next time, guys, Bye bye,