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Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gadigel

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Speaker 1: people of the Eura Nation. Hello and welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. Spoiler alert, I'm Joe Hildebrand

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Speaker 1: and this is the real story on a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of things that might have appeared a little bit different

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Speaker 1: to you. This week we're going to get the real

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Speaker 1: story on whether or not the PM has been mocking

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Speaker 1: Australians with the disability. Yes, the PM has been going

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Speaker 1: after disabled people. Oh, that cruel, savage monster. But did

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Speaker 1: he really They're going to actually find out if that

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Speaker 1: is the case or not. Plus, did the Palestinian protesters

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Speaker 1: really have to march on October the seventh. We've got

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Speaker 1: the real story and all that and much much more

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Speaker 1: coming up. But first up this week, let's get to

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Speaker 1: what is undoubtedly going to be the biggest yarn over

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Speaker 1: the next few days, which is that Prime Minister Anthony

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Speaker 1: Albanize he insulted disabled people. That is the headline going

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Speaker 1: around on just about every news outlet. Just looking at

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Speaker 1: the latest bulletin from the New Daily News website. That's

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Speaker 1: meant to be kind of well, it's bankrolled by union

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Speaker 1: super funds and stuff, So you think that'd be a

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Speaker 1: bit labor friendly, but.

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Speaker 2: No breaking PM mock's disability.

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Speaker 1: What did the PM actually say, Well, the PM didn't

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Speaker 1: mock anyone.

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Speaker 2: With a disability at all.

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Speaker 1: It was in the middle of question time and he

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Speaker 1: had Angus Taylor, the Shadow Treasurer, constantly interjecting after being

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Speaker 1: told to stop and interjected by more time, and the

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Speaker 1: PM said this.

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Speaker 3: Where have you got Touret's or something?

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Speaker 1: You know, you know you sit there, Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Have you got Touret's or something? Is what the PM said,

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Speaker 1: which I reckon is something that most Australians at some

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Speaker 1: point or another would have said about someone who talks

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Speaker 1: too much. We all got a chatterbox, we all got

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Speaker 1: people in our lives who just can't shut up. But

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Speaker 1: it's perfectly it's not insulting someone with Thurets. It's just

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Speaker 1: saying that you're someone who talks a lot, and that

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Speaker 1: is what you understand Tourett's syndrome to be someone who

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Speaker 1: involuntarily talks, who can't stop talking. In fact, that's a

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Speaker 1: gross oversimplification of what Turets actually is. It's more nervous

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Speaker 1: tick sort of thing, and it doesn't just apply to

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Speaker 1: language or talking or swearing, which is another common misconception

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Speaker 1: that comply to all sorts of things. But the PM

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Speaker 1: is going by the sort of popular understanding in the

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Speaker 1: same way that you might say to someone who's a

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Speaker 2: Are you then insulting psychos?

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Speaker 1: So this is the thing. It's something that's just said

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Speaker 1: an understanding about something that isn't really anything to do

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Speaker 1: with the actual condition itself. You might say, of a

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Speaker 1: policy position that doesn't makes sense or that oscillates, or

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Speaker 1: if a government changed its mind on a policy that

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Speaker 1: it's acting schizophrenic? Is that an insult to schizophrenic people? Again,

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Speaker 1: I've got bipolar and I talk about things being bipolar

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Speaker 1: all the time. They run hot and cold like that

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Speaker 1: song by Katie Perry. Is she insulting by polar people?

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Speaker 1: Should I be offended by Katie Perry's Master Chef song?

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Speaker 2: Anyway?

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Speaker 1: So the PM clearly wasn't trying to insult people with

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Speaker 1: Tourett's by this comment.

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Speaker 2: He was trying to insult Angus Taylor. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Someone got up very very quickly and straight afterwards you

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Speaker 1: could see from the expressions of some of the PM's colleagues,

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Speaker 2: Laughed and then very quickly, oh dear, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: And someone got up with the point of order, obviously

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Speaker 2: Said this, we draw, mister speaker, we draw. So there

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Speaker 1: Surely you would think that would be the end of

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Speaker 1: the matter, but I know everyone's still upset about it.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's still angry. Everyone's still having a crack at the PM.

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Speaker 1: And you know who are the people who are most

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Speaker 1: correctness gone mad. That's the people are the right, the

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Speaker 1: people who are the champions of free speech, the people

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Speaker 1: They're the ones going nuts at the PM for jokingly

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Speaker 1: when Scott Morrison said, quite innocently or naively that he

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm cursed or my family was

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Speaker 2: Now, I've got to.

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Speaker 1: Tell you, as someone who's best friend is a quadriplegic,

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Speaker 1: and you don't get much more physically disabled than that,

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Speaker 1: and these are people who know how tough it is,

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Speaker 1: and they're certainly the last to be offended by anything.

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Speaker 1: But point being, people were jumping down Scott Morrison's throats

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Speaker 1: whenever he said anything remotely on PC and jumping down

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Speaker 1: his throat. Indeed, when he had their temerity to go

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Speaker 1: I was not one of those people who were outraged.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't outraged then, I'm not outraged now. And I

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Speaker 1: because no one's going to stick their neck on the

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Speaker 2: But think about this.

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Speaker 1: All the confected outrage about what the PM said took

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Speaker 1: mass mass devastation in Gaza and Lebanon, and that is

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Speaker 1: he's not going to support emotion that expresses solidarity and

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, so you got argibad on how you

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Speaker 1: of Palestinians and Lebanese who have been affected. Since it's

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Speaker 1: a bit like someone getting shot dead and lying next year,

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Speaker 1: and you complaining about a stub toe speaking of right

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Speaker 1: Let's touch base with the pro Palestine rallies that cause

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Speaker 1: such controversy all over the country on the weekend. Now, thankfully,

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Speaker 1: doing by provocative measures like this is turning people against them,

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Speaker 1: not forget, is a prescribed terrorist organization under Australian law.

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Speaker 1: Hesbler is a terrorist organization, and the leader of that

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Speaker 1: terrorist organization was killed. And you have people protesting in

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Speaker 1: what does that make everyone else think? It makes me think, oh,

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Speaker 1: these pro Palestinian people, they're just terrorists or terrorist sympathizers

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Speaker 1: or terrorist supporters. Is that a good look? Is that

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Speaker 1: moronic thing that they do and the other thing. Of course,

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Speaker 1: by even having these rallies, these protests on the day

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Speaker 1: friends or family who are among the dead or the hostages,

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Speaker 1: to have that on that day was intensely provocative and

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Speaker 1: again makes people think that these people are just one

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Speaker 2: He was the political.

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Speaker 1: Editor at the ABC, then went on to become the

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Speaker 1: scientists call a ball terror of an article for the

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Speaker 1: Weekend Australian about just how some of these practices that

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Speaker 1: inside are actually not doing anything at all beneficial for

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Speaker 1: the environment and potentially even harming them. And the one

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Speaker 1: example that struck me, because I just couldn't quite get

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Speaker 1: stick anything in them, they immediately tear and then you

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Speaker 1: even though they'll go and spend three thousand on a

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Speaker 1: Louis Via time wine from well from Louis Va time.

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Speaker 1: But point being, he joins me right now, Chris Yulman,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to have.

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Speaker 3: You, Ah Joe hillbrand what kind of animal like as

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Speaker 3: a wombat skunk?

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Speaker 1: I imagine like I imagine like half tiger, half woolf with

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Speaker 1: maybe some dragon wings, you know, maybe a liger. Let's

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Speaker 1: just go for a liger. Let's take it back a note,

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Speaker 1: and it's great to have you on the show. This article,

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Speaker 1: which you can still get on the OS it's titled

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Speaker 1: It's Not Easy Being Green but only if you're a

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Speaker 1: blue collar worker and you sort of go through some

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Speaker 1: of the imposts that are being put on either a

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Speaker 1: just ordinary everyday consumers or indeed people who work in

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Speaker 1: because of this transition. These paper bags in supermarkets. Now,

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Speaker 1: I understand, we want to ban the single use plastic bags,

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Speaker 1: no problem. They bring in the repeat use plastic bags,

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Speaker 1: So not only are paper bags worse than repeat use

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Speaker 3: Look, I think people like people are genuine Joe. You

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Speaker 3: And I think there is no bigger delusion in some

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Speaker 1: There you go, Chris Jorman, true eco warrior, true energy realist.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your clear eyed and now

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Speaker 3: Cost of net zero Joe, Because by the way, once

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Speaker 3: we have to work out how we make concrete, how

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Speaker 3: We haven't even started the process of trying to decarbonize.

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Speaker 3: There is fossil fuel and absolutely everything you can see

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Speaker 1: There you go, well with people like you hopefully providing

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Speaker 2: To take to do it. Hopefully we'll be able to

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Speaker 3: No one knows how much it's going to cost.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it's lots talking about that's right.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to apply my Bachelor of

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Speaker 1: Chrisy Alvan, thanks so much for joining us on the

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Speaker 2: Now, as you know, on.

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Speaker 1: The real story, we like to solve all the problems

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Speaker 1: I thought, wow, I'm just going all in on that.

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Speaker 1: And that's all we have time for this week. If

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Speaker 1: you've got a spare room to rent, please contact Noel

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Speaker 1: at Parts Unknown, Places Unknown. If you want to send

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Speaker 1: us a message on Insta, I'm there. You can't miss me.

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Speaker 1: I'm the handsome one. You can also find me by

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Speaker 1: the handle at Joe Underscore.

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Speaker 2: Hildebrand and slide into my DMS. Noel's going to slide

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Speaker 2: into my DMS, do a bit of Peyton and slide

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Speaker 2: back out and I'll see you next week