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Speaker 1: It is Twitzy you memb with you on over for

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Speaker 1: your Thursday morning. We like to talk about local content

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Speaker 1: on this show. I think we need to talk about

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Speaker 1: this because you know, everyone Sydney is involved. If you

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Speaker 1: actually pick up the Daily Telegraph, you would read about

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Speaker 1: the Gangland Wars that's going on in Sydney at the moment.

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Speaker 1: And we would like to learn a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Two men that dedicate their lives to this crime reporters

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Speaker 1: for the Daily Telegraph, Josh Hanrahan and Mark Murray, join us. Now, boys,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for coming into the studio.

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Speaker 2: Not a problem, gus, where do we start with this?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if we spell out that there's been thirteen

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Speaker 2: murders in the past eighteen months, can you go back

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Speaker 2: to the start of this.

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Speaker 3: Well, the very start of this series of murders began

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Speaker 3: with the hit of a guy called Faris aber Nader. Now,

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Speaker 3: he was a common Ciro, done time in jail, being

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Speaker 3: involved in an airport brawl and it's kind of almost

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Speaker 3: clear in his life up. But he was being approached

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Speaker 3: to patch over from the common Tura to go to

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Speaker 3: another club. Right, that's not a very good idea, No.

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Speaker 1: No, they don't like that their cubby house, Yes, their clubhouse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right.

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Speaker 1: It's like when I was thinking about going a triple

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Speaker 1: m and Whipper said he was trying to put a

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Speaker 1: hit out of my head.

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Speaker 2: I was going to take your knees out the start,

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Speaker 2: but they're already broken.

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Speaker 3: So that started the bloodshed. And there hadn't been any

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Speaker 3: sort of big hits for about two years until he

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Speaker 3: was taken out. Ironically, it was a former head of

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Speaker 3: the Commenturro that was killed, mic Howie, and from there

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Speaker 3: things got a bit messy, didn't they. There was then

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Speaker 3: there was an another murder of a guy called Medshured Hamsey,

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Speaker 3: and that really kicked things off, and that's what started

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Speaker 3: a tit for tat with the Alamideanes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's that's the Hansey name that we know of,

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Speaker 1: and it's the Alamedines Josh against the hamsey So it's

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Speaker 1: who started the war. Was it the Alamadeans or the Hamseyes.

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Speaker 4: Well, Well, this is kind of one of the big issues,

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Speaker 4: was that both sides wanted at each other. So there's

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Speaker 4: a bloat called Mark Battle, who's a Marouba boy and

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Speaker 4: he's the head of the common Schero Biki gang around

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Speaker 4: the world.

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Speaker 3: So he around world? He now international command. That's a

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Speaker 3: very good question.

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Speaker 5: He was in Dubai, Wasn't he's over there hiding out?

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Speaker 3: He was, he was.

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Speaker 1: How come we can't find him? You would think that's

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Speaker 1: pretty easy, isn't it, if he's checking into hotels and stuff.

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Speaker 4: Well, he's now gone to Turkey slash Cypress, and there's

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Speaker 4: a there's a part of Cypress in particular that's a

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Speaker 4: bit of a disputed okay part of the world.

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Speaker 3: Right, I tend to go to areas where it's very

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Speaker 3: hard for extradition. Yes, And that's so most of the

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Speaker 3: bike He gang leaders now who are worried about being

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Speaker 3: picked up, they're all living. They're not coming back. No,

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Speaker 3: they're running their business because of these encrypted devices, stealth

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Speaker 3: and ciphers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, Josh, why did the two families start the

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Speaker 2: hatred for each other?

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Speaker 5: Drugs?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: So they were both families involved in the drug trade.

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Speaker 4: And there is I mean, you can imagine how many

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Speaker 4: tens and hundreds of millions of dollars are in the drug.

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Speaker 3: Market in Sydney.

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Speaker 4: And so these two these two families were running drugs

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Speaker 4: throughout YEP. The whole of the city and essentially they

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Speaker 4: were trying to take each other's territory, right, and so

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Speaker 4: that doesn't go down too well in that world. And

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Speaker 4: the way that they deal with it is in a

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, John Sylvester on he was talking about the

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Speaker 1: Frankston murders and stuff like that. When you talk about

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Speaker 1: the eighties, seventies, eighties, nineties, no CCTV footage, so the

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Speaker 1: evidence was really really hard to get. These days, you

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Speaker 1: think yourself that we're pretty safe because there's all of

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Speaker 1: they don't care.

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Speaker 3: They don't care. And that's the big difference is what

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Speaker 3: I say, is the way they do them so publicly. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you know, back in the eighties, the guy there'd be

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't find him, or they'd find him in sand

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Speaker 3: dunes fifteen years later. Yeah, but these guys are spraying

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Speaker 3: it down very very pat They have the balaclav as,

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Speaker 3: they have the cars that they and they've been steeled.

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Speaker 3: Some of those cars are stored for months, right, and

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Speaker 3: then they clone number plates so that on their way

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Speaker 3: to their little job, they don't get picked up as

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Speaker 3: a stolen car. It's got exactly the same number plate

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So they're very you know, there's a little template. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure they have little books somewhere they have to tick off,

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Speaker 2: Yes, you've always know when a hit takes place. I mean,

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Speaker 2: because you're across it. You'd know why that person had

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Speaker 2: been killed and who did it. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've kind of got to the uncomfortable position in

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Speaker 4: the last couple of months where we've well not predicted,

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Speaker 4: but it has been talk about people who are big

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Speaker 3: And then we wrote two stories saying there were bounties

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Speaker 3: on these people's heads and both have been shot, one

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Speaker 3: surviving tarags in the gym. Yeah, and they knew, they

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Speaker 3: knew that. It wasn't like we were breaking the news

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Speaker 3: to breaking the news and probably the underworld and these

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because what was the latest?

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Speaker 1: How much is how much is on a person's head?

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Speaker 1: There was the latest one was like a million bucks,

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And it just and that really just goes to show

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Speaker 4: you how much money is in you know, the drug

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Speaker 4: throw around to wipe out their competitors because it would

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Speaker 3: In the end.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Sure, And it costs a lot to do one of

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Speaker 3: these to be you know, those those stolen cars and

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Speaker 3: they burned two or three, so that's then they have

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Speaker 3: to pay money to the guys that supply the stolen cars.

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Speaker 3: Then you have the weapons, then you have the drivers.

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of overheit.

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Speaker 2: You're thinking about it. Go to uni first, you know,

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Speaker 2: what is the hit always coming from within the family

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a couple of there's a couple of

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Speaker 4: cases currently before the courts, but they don't always go internally.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes they will. And one of the big issues we've

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Speaker 4: seen is that it's been pretty one sided this this

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Speaker 4: hams Is have lost our three key members Measured Belal

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Speaker 3: Gas at the Moon and a number of associates.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, and so there's also a couple of the

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Speaker 4: another attempted hit, so they've had to do that themselves.

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Speaker 3: And well, it starts off very much about a drug

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Speaker 3: and turf, then ego becomes part was very much and

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Speaker 3: these guys think very differently, you know. Some of these

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Speaker 3: murders are perhaps a little bit personal with a very

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Speaker 3: side benefit of taking out a competitor.

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Speaker 1: Of course they may get that patch. But there seems

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Speaker 1: to be a lot of snitches going on as well

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Speaker 1: at the moment as well. With some of the last assassinations,

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's a couple of blokes that have

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Speaker 5: Is there a bit of that going on?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I guess we don't really know. But police,

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Speaker 4: as we said before, have gone to a number of

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Speaker 4: these blokes and said you were in danger, change your pattern,

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Speaker 4: change what you're doing, you know, and a couple of

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Speaker 4: them haven't listened. I mean, Brownie Ahmed was who was

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Speaker 4: shot dead in May, was still driving around in his

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Speaker 4: same car, you know, whereas these guys will regularly change

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Speaker 3: Few months, right and that kind of thing, and you

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Speaker 3: know they'll pay big money for information. They also have

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Speaker 3: become so sophisticated that you know, they will put trackers

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Speaker 3: that's one of them. They believe at least they had

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Speaker 3: a tracker found the guy thought he'd gone to a

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Speaker 2: Mos, what about you guys? I mean you sit here today,

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Speaker 2: but what do you get in terms of threats to yourselves?

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Speaker 1: We spoke to Johnny Sylvester the other day and he

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Speaker 1: was just having a bit of a laugh about Chopper

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Speaker 1: Christmas cars.

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Speaker 3: I heard about that. That's very nice, I know.

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Speaker 1: But you know there's a there, you know what to

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Speaker 1: is one of them at the moments on TikTok who's

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Speaker 1: become quite famous. Isn't there who was mixed up with

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Speaker 1: a bikey gang and is.

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Speaker 2: Now there all the time he goes live on TikTok? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And who's he's in your He's in this little mini

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Speaker 1: series that you're doing and talks in this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a bloke called Muddy Tazure. He used to

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Speaker 4: be pretty high up in the Nomad's bikey gang. He's

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Speaker 4: out of the game now. And in our series he

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Speaker 4: kind of talks to us about I mean, he got

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Speaker 4: into the biking life when he was fourteen or fifteen.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's a relative of the Ibrahim family and

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Speaker 4: that's kind of how he ended up there. And he

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Speaker 4: talks about the fact that he's now got a kid

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Speaker 4: and he can't believe how dangerous the streets are and

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Speaker 4: if his son ever got involved in something like what

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Speaker 4: we've been seeing unfolding on the street to the past

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Speaker 4: eighteen months, you know, he just he'd be shattered.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So no threats to you guys.

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Speaker 3: Well, there has been in this current war. We have

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Speaker 3: been contacted by police. Said, look, there's a bit of chatter.

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Speaker 3: They're not very happy about us, And they said, it's

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Speaker 3: not not to the point where there's contracts that has

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Speaker 3: happened in the past where there was talk a contract

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Speaker 3: was going to be put on me after Luckily the

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Speaker 3: guy's dead now. But yeah, got it first of your Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, my connections got him taken turkeys.

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Speaker 5: How long you've been doing it now?

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Speaker 3: For forty years.

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Speaker 1: So when you get a young fellow, Josh, how old

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Speaker 1: are you, twenty nine, twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: I call him perspiration. I'm inspiration.

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Speaker 1: So you take him under your wing. But this is

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Speaker 1: this is a pretty it's a pretty full on job.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Josh, when you yeah, I mean you know,

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Speaker 1: you don't know what you're getting into at the start.

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Speaker 5: It's full on.

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Speaker 4: No, it's pretty funny. Mum calls up a lot and says,

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Speaker 4: how is your day, and you kind of move on

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Speaker 4: to the next time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty often today darling.

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Speaker 3: I'm married to a piano teacher. And she said, oh,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this, I mean in the forty years though,

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Speaker 3: It is, it's the it's the worst the frequency, but

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Speaker 3: it's more the public nature. They're shooting them in gyms.

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Speaker 3: we've had our fair you know. As I said, I've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, back in the Underbelly days, you just you knock

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's right. Yeah back, and you know they were

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Speaker 3: quite complying. They kneel down. You've seen that in the movies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. You've got to do that. Now it

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Speaker 5: Did you like mister in between the Fox Steel Show.

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Speaker 2: We actually thought I was here.

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Speaker 4: You look like we have a TikTok TikTok thing that

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Speaker 2: And I love that made I follow that.

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Speaker 3: I'm into Itrim City. It hasn't made anywhere near the

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Speaker 3: money under Belly did. Oh. I was talking to Andrew

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Speaker 3: it properly. I've got to get onto that.

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Speaker 2: If Josh starts to dance in a bikini, yeah that's yeah.

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Speaker 3: You should see some of them. You know, he gets

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Speaker 3: all these Instagram follows.

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Speaker 5: Now we've set one up for you need the next generation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah all right, So episode two is dropping today of

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Speaker 1: the Daily Telegraphs Gangland Investigation. It's the mini series The War.

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Speaker 1: It's out today. You can find it more at Daily Telegraph,

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Speaker 1: dot com dot a. You forward slash the War. But

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Speaker 1: Josh and Moz, thank you very much for coming in

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Speaker 1: and we might even get you back on.

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Speaker 5: Let's keep up to speed just before we go. Can

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Speaker 3: No, that there's been.

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Speaker 4: I think there's probably been three really big murders in

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Speaker 4: the past eighteen months, and every time one's happened, we've gone, Wow,

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Speaker 4: where we go to from here?

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Speaker 3: Alatics contracts out currently out there now, at least at least.

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Speaker 2: There's at least six more people that have got to

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Speaker 2: go first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll be back probably something fresh.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I feel so flippid to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: And it's terrible and you do get a bit blas

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Speaker 3: and black human. It isn't going to stop. And even

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Speaker 5: We can't let them out, can you.

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Speaker 2: Well, so they would come out and support the Hanses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's one or two of them coming out.

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Speaker 3: They've been locked up since twelve thirteen, which is another

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Speaker 3: very bloody war, the Brothers for Life, the two tries.

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Speaker 3: So it'll just be they'll come out and they'll start

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Speaker 3: they're going to be starting wanting to have a revenge.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, scares.

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Speaker 5: Me, all right. Josh Hanrahan and Mark Murray, thank you

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Speaker 5: very much for coming in voice.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, thanks to me and