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Speaker 1: The big footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: The stakes are high and the news lines are rampant.

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Speaker 2: On the eve of the final home and away round

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Speaker 2: on the field, A genuine cutthroat final before the finals

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Speaker 2: awaits us as the Dogs host the Dockers, with the

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Speaker 2: loser set to miss with fourteen or maybe fifteen wins

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Speaker 2: this season. That is unless the Son's choking their final

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Speaker 2: two games and there are some doubters out there at

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Speaker 2: the moment. Off the field, Adelaide facing a major blow

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Speaker 2: after one of the club's most significant wins in years,

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Speaker 2: while some Kilda fans are rejoicing ahead of a monster

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Speaker 2: off season. We'll discuss all of the aforementioned and more

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Speaker 2: on the Lace edition of the Fox Footy Podcast. Ben

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Speaker 2: Waterworth with you as is the man coming to the

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Speaker 2: end of run home season, Max Lawton.

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Speaker 3: Hello, MAXI god, I'm glad not to be hosting this week. Ben.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being back.

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Speaker 2: How'd you go last week?

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Speaker 3: It was fine. It's just so reassuring to have you

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Speaker 3: back in charge leading the ship. Yes run home season. Well,

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Speaker 3: it's arguable was that prelim final night was a Sunday

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Speaker 3: night when we had to do all the permutations and

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Speaker 3: the Grand Final is the actual round twenty four. It's

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Speaker 3: not as dramatic as it could have been. I think

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Speaker 3: Free Oh winning against Brisbane would have made it more interesting,

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Speaker 3: but still a mini elimination final on the Sunday involving

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Speaker 3: the Bulldogs for basically the sixth time in seven years.

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Speaker 2: I did see that also joining us preparing for his

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Speaker 2: Grand Final in a few months the AFL trade period.

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Speaker 2: Ben Cotton, Hello BC.

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Speaker 4: Hello gentlemen, thank you for having me on. And I

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Speaker 4: feel like with two times David Kings here, we've got

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Speaker 4: two guys with laptops and Max both of the laptops.

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Speaker 4: Laptops here, Yeah, all systems go.

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Speaker 2: I think ours were a little newer than keys. He's

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Speaker 3: It's true his was prehistoric before that.

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Speaker 4: It was making weird sounds in the other room the

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Speaker 4: other night, though, I'm a bit concerned for Kiev.

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Speaker 3: He actually ran on Doss so not a lot of

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Speaker 3: people in Dos.

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Speaker 2: Yes have all these picture of Windows ninety five.

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Speaker 3: It's great stuff.

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Speaker 2: With the two massive stories on Monday. Normally Monday this

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Speaker 2: year hasn't been a massive newsday, but two reasonably significant

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Speaker 2: stories on Monday. Let's start with Isaac Rankin. As we record,

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Speaker 2: we don't know the likely punishment for Isaac Rankin. I

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Speaker 2: a suspension after an alleged homophobic slur. The latest homophobic

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Speaker 2: slur in the AFL Maxi jerreed on three sixty last

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Speaker 2: night caught it a scourge for the AFL for the

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Speaker 2: past eight eight months. Is that a fair statement because

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Speaker 2: this will be the sixth AFL listed player to be cited.

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Speaker 3: We get two in the VFL, yeah, and then four

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Speaker 3: at AFL level. Yeah. No, I think that's entirely fair.

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Speaker 3: We're thinking four or five weeks, well, no, probably by

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Speaker 3: the time you're listening to this exactly how much time

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Speaker 3: he's missing. But we're pretty sure he's missing the Grand

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Speaker 3: He is one of their most important players, Isaac Greenkin.

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Speaker 3: So it sucks for the Crows, but for Isac rankins

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Speaker 3: perpective you. As I've said before when discussing this topic,

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Speaker 3: it's not about the specifics of saying one word, and

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Speaker 3: it's not about free speech. As much as Damian Hardwick

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Speaker 2: Did he make it? Did he make it about free speech?

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Speaker 2: No, because he did. He did say that, but I

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Speaker 4: There's probably a lot of people out there that would

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Speaker 4: for the Crows. Lo this is arguably the biggest story

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Speaker 4: The most improved team, one of the premiership favorites, their

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Speaker 2: Still like he's the X factor that could be the

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Speaker 2: Crows won't necessarily lose a flag because of this, or

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Speaker 3: No, the hope would be that Josh Rochelley comes back

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Speaker 3: be exactly the same. We've seen teams overcome the loss

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Speaker 3: comes to mind with Nick nat but jeezus, still that

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Speaker 2: Did you mentioned Decius before him? That's the big That

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Speaker 2: you know, Nasiah and his management have done so well

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Speaker 4: I was surprised, but I never had a really strong

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think he kept everyone guessing to the

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Speaker 3: And this is a reminder that Nas is not the

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Speaker 3: But contracts are about leverage and talent. He had immense leverage,

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Speaker 3: he'll have immense leverage in two years when he comes

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Speaker 3: out of contract and he's not a free agent.

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Speaker 2: It's worked out really really well for Nasiawan and a

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Speaker 2: Miller is he worthy of the two million dollar price tag,

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Speaker 2: because that's certainly the numbers being thrown around for Harley

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Speaker 2: Reed who doesn't have as many runs on the board,

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Speaker 2: but has been in the system for two years, less

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Speaker 2: more years, I think, than nas Miller Miller who's and

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Speaker 2: he's out of contract the end of next year and

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Speaker 2: likely to whatever he does, he's going to decide next

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Speaker 2: year as well. But considering some Kilda's standing, the fact

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Speaker 2: they've missed out on lots of rival club players in

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Speaker 2: the past, but this is seen as a huge win

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Speaker 2: to retain a player of this talent because probably they

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Speaker 2: haven't had a play of this talent for quite some time.

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Speaker 2: Is he worthy of this two million dollar tag?

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Speaker 4: I think so yeah, And I must admit, over the

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Speaker 4: he is worth two million dollars compared to say Matt Row,

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Speaker 4: who's doing some great things. I think he signed for

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Speaker 4: maybe one point three to one point four. We're hearing

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Speaker 3: This year, I don't think they wont enough games for that.

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Speaker 2: Yep. From a Securita perspective, now PC they we know

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Speaker 2: But I think there will naturally be a domino effect, won't.

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Speaker 5: There one hundred percent?

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Speaker 3: Four points five million for three players.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but clearly this.

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Speaker 4: I'm just not sure how much interest there is in

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Speaker 2: It's a good problem for Seculita to have and good

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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the run home. Well, yes,

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Speaker 2: actually not quite nice because you've we've got ten games

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Speaker 3: Sorting out the tipping article for the week and seeing

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Speaker 2: We really mess with your OCD, Max. So we know

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Speaker 2: that Adelaide, Brisbane, Geelong, Collingwood Hawthorne Giants are definitely playing finals.

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Speaker 3: Look if GWS loses by one hundred points and Fremantle

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Speaker 2: Yes, and the Giants this weekend are playing Securita, so.

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Speaker 3: Good luck to them. Maybe a nas inspired demolition job.

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Speaker 3: Well, you can split into three. The top eight race

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Speaker 3: If the Suns beat Port and then that game is

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Speaker 3: them still needing to beat Essenton. You think they would,

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Speaker 3: Congratulations on that, because they play first, and then gold

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Speaker 3: Coast will know exactly how much they need to win

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Speaker 2: It's an amazing result for the Cats in particular.

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Speaker 3: They're sort of just walked in and as everyone fell over,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what was always most likely to happen.

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Speaker 3: I thought gold Coach would lose to JWS or Brisbane

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Speaker 3: losing random games and things like that. It just things happen,

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Speaker 3: And if the Crows lose to North Melbourne they could

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Speaker 2: Is that is remarkable. Who is most vulnerable do you

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Speaker 5: Weekend most vulnerable?

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Speaker 4: I think probably well to miss the ape really Fremantle

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Speaker 5: That's always a really hard task. Will Hayd and Young

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of pressure on Fremantle, but they are

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Speaker 3: It's never happened in vfla F history that the team

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Speaker 4: They've improved from last year. I think they won thirteen

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Speaker 3: You well, because they dropped the last one.

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Speaker 4: And this is the stat that or the number that

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Speaker 3: So won more games in Brisbane one last year in

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Speaker 4: Away clearly then, but then obviously the sort of elephant

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Speaker 4: it being catastrophic about losing this if I left, that

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Speaker 2: Eggs into the twenty twenty five basket.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think it's hard because the loss to Adelaide,

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Speaker 4: sort of five, six, seven plus goals, that could set

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Speaker 3: Even if they finished fifth, I think they can still

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Speaker 3: they could beat Adelaide in that match, but it's still

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Obviously a top four path is going to be simpler

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Speaker 3: But Collingwood is still good enough. They've won four games

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. They're three and four in close

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Speaker 3: You think about those games. The Freemantle game absolutely in

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Speaker 3: that was very weird in its own way. They came back,

439
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Speaker 3: it took it was the exact same as last year's

440
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Speaker 3: game Coast that could end up being a semi final,

441
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Speaker 3: and I think based on my predicted top eight right

442
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Speaker 3: now that would be a semi final. Is Gold Coast

443
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Speaker 3: host in Collingwood, which that's a fifty to fifty game.

444
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Speaker 3: If that happens, winner of that gets a prelium against

445
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Speaker 3: Geelong or Brisbane winnable. You know, anyone who makes the

446
00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,760
Speaker 3: eight this year is good enough. Maybe you don't trust

447
00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,440
Speaker 3: the Bulldogs to win fall in a row, but they've

448
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Speaker 3: got so many positives going their way and maybe they

449
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Speaker 3: just put it all together. GWS is absolutely dangerous. Brisbane

450
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Speaker 3: or Hawthorne, whoever finished the seventh or eighth out of

451
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Speaker 3: that duo, absolutely dangerous. We know you can win it

452
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Speaker 3: from the bottom half of the eight. We saw it

453
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Speaker 3: last year. It can happen again.

454
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Speaker 2: It could be. It could be the best final series

455
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Speaker 2: for it we've seen for a number of years. A

456
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Speaker 2: couple of I'm trying to think was tw tw twenty

457
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Speaker 2: twenty three. There were a lot of closers. I want

458
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Speaker 2: to say twenty twenty two because I remember getting to

459
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Speaker 2: the Geelong Sydney Grand Final that was so against the

460
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Speaker 2: grain of yes, the final series.

461
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Speaker 3: Yes, those two Collingwood dominated final series had a bunch

462
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Speaker 3: of incredible games, as Ben Wodwell, good memories, some of

463
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Speaker 3: them good, some of them bad initially, but yes, but

464
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Speaker 3: then you've also had some blowout. This is a very

465
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Speaker 3: much like a twenty sixteen top eight. I think where

466
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Speaker 3: you knew the top eight for a long long time.

467
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Speaker 3: That was the year North Melbourne started ten and zero

468
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Speaker 3: and then fell off to finish eighth, and then I

469
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Speaker 3: think the top seven at all one fifteen games, the

470
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Speaker 3: Bulldogs in seventh. You know where the Bulldogs are finishing

471
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Speaker 3: on my predicta top eight seventh, seventh, seven, big.

472
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Speaker 4: Chance and just another game that I on a highlight

473
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Speaker 4: and I'm sure we're going to speak about it a

474
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Speaker 4: bit later. But gold Coast versus Port Adelaide, like that's

475
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Speaker 4: a big litmus test for gold Coast because it's Ken's

476
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Speaker 4: last game, Travis Boke's last game. Everyone's sort of penciling

477
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Speaker 4: in gold Coast to win both their games, but they

478
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Speaker 4: are going to have to beat a team on the

479
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Speaker 4: road under a little bit of advertise he packed house.

480
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Speaker 4: That will really be their test as to whether or

481
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Speaker 4: not they're good enough for top four.

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Speaker 2: It's as if Ben has read the rundown because it's

483
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Speaker 2: a beautiful segue into this and now.

484
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Speaker 1: On the Fox Foody podcast, another strong edition of Australia's

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Speaker 1: favorite segment, Fair or.

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Speaker 2: Fast, Large, Fair or Fast. Max ken Hinckley's postmatch presser

487
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Speaker 2: after the Carlton loss proved even he's sick of the

488
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Speaker 2: handover fair or fast Fair.

489
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Speaker 3: He said as much, and I think is very understandably

490
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Speaker 3: sick of both waiting for a decision he's known is

491
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Speaker 3: coming through about nine months, and sick of answering questions

492
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Speaker 3: about it, because every single press conference with him for

493
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Speaker 3: the last nine months has been exactly the same.

494
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Speaker 2: I think the journals are sick of asking the question

495
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Speaker 2: what else? What else do you ask?

496
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Speaker 3: The moment and it was entire and so he asked

497
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Speaker 3: up about a question about He said, oh, I've been

498
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Speaker 3: sick of this, and then a journalist asked him, I said,

499
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Speaker 3: do you regret the handover situation? And then he got

500
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Speaker 3: all annoyed at that, which seemed unreasonable an incredibly reasonable

501
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Speaker 3: follow up question to literally what he had just said,

502
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Speaker 3: But is this not a clear message that a handover

503
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Speaker 3: plan like this is incredibly risky? And probably shouldn't be

504
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Speaker 3: embarked upon, because, yes, if Port was a contender, maybe

505
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Speaker 3: there's some emotion to try and win it for Ken,

506
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Speaker 3: but they have a motion every under can that wasn't

507
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Speaker 3: going to do anything. And if you want to talk

508
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Speaker 3: about emotion making a team play well for someone, well

509
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Speaker 3: they're four or their five last losses thirty eight points,

510
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Speaker 3: ninety eight points, eighty eight points, fifty four points. They're

511
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Speaker 3: a crap team right now. So yes, if you believe

512
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Speaker 3: in the Colts of King Hinckley, maybe they can upset

513
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Speaker 3: Gold Coast, but that's really all you're relying on right now.

514
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Speaker 3: On the field, they're not that good. So sure there

515
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Speaker 3: are some possible positives, but also the understandable negatives of

516
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Speaker 3: a team that no those that its coach is going

517
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Speaker 3: knows that it has nothing to play for for about

518
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Speaker 3: half the season. This is what happens. You did.

519
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Speaker 2: You did mention about the Suns potentially being vulnerable the

520
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Speaker 2: last time they played at Adelaide Oval. I know, a

521
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Speaker 2: different quality of opposition, but they were goalss I think

522
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Speaker 2: in the first half the Suns Adelaide Crows Sunday Nights Special.

523
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Speaker 3: That was when we had the Collingwood Frio game was

524
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Speaker 3: going on, thankfully to distract people from how bad the

525
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Speaker 3: Sun's Crows game was, which could be a qualifying final

526
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Speaker 3: hopefully not as bad this time.

527
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Speaker 2: Well, the qualifying final like game between the Sons and

528
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Speaker 2: the Crows was at people first stayed him. That was

529
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Speaker 2: very good.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll definitely be see highlights of that in the

531
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Speaker 3: build up and not of the other game.

532
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Speaker 2: That's fair BC. Jamara hugil Hagen won't be on an

533
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Speaker 2: AFL list next year.

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Speaker 4: Fair or fast, I think right now I would say fair, right,

535
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Speaker 4: I would say fair. Well, he's contracted the Bulldog, so

536
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Speaker 4: technically he should or would be there unless he's breached

537
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Speaker 4: some part of his contract where they're allowed to cancel it.

538
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Speaker 4: But yeah, this is a really sensitive, you know, off

539
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Speaker 4: field troublesome story that we're talking about. I think clearly

540
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Speaker 4: when he had that leave of absence, he came back

541
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Speaker 4: sort of several weeks ago. Now, I think all that

542
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Speaker 4: you would have wanted to see from a Dog's or

543
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Speaker 4: a rival club perspective is get back, get back into

544
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Speaker 4: some sort of routine. Maybe he plays some VFL footy

545
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Speaker 4: if you're lucky, but above all else you just want

546
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Speaker 4: to see him get back into some sort of normal routine.

547
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Speaker 4: And clearly the reports that came out about some sort

548
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Speaker 4: of being caught up in a shooting of some sort

549
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Speaker 4: over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: The Love Machine at two am close to where. I'm

551
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Speaker 3: not going to say it's a lovely part of the

552
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Speaker 3: world because it isn't that it's not the best part

553
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Speaker 3: of Chapel Street.

554
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Speaker 4: Chapel just riding my backyard as well, so.

555
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Speaker 3: You're away from that bit I was from the I

556
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Speaker 3: was in the dirty bit of Breann, very nice bit.

557
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Speaker 5: Brand is a nice area.

558
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Speaker 4: But yeah, and then obviously I think he's had some

559
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Speaker 4: family things going on as well, But there's just enough

560
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Speaker 4: happening right now where if I was another, if I

561
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Speaker 4: was a rival club, I would be seriously concerned about

562
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Speaker 4: investing in this guy. The only real club that you're

563
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Speaker 4: hearing often is Sydney, and I think Sydney's watching the

564
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Speaker 4: situation with interest. But even them, I think they'd be

565
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Speaker 4: getting pretty spooch right now. So if you ask me

566
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Speaker 4: right now what's going to happen, I'd say it's unlikely

567
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Speaker 4: because his life is clearly off the rails to some

568
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Speaker 4: degree at the moment. But clearly things could change in

569
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Speaker 4: the coming months.

570
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Speaker 3: There's some bad things happening around him is the problem.

571
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Speaker 3: So it's worth stressing that he has not been found

572
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Speaker 3: to have done anything wrong, but the people he has

573
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Speaker 3: been associated with and the fact he's been spoken to

574
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Speaker 3: by police twice in three months in relation to shootings

575
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Speaker 3: is not a great implication for the people he is around.

576
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Speaker 3: I think that's really the dynama he finds himself in,

577
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Speaker 3: which is about his decision making and is about can

578
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Speaker 3: he be trusted to get back into an AFL environment

579
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Speaker 3: and fully commit to it. That's the problem he now

580
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Speaker 3: faces and the reason why clubs would be less willing

581
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Speaker 3: to talk Max.

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Speaker 2: Everything about the Adelaide Collin would result was calma fair

583
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Speaker 2: or fast everything. Yes, the Crow's finally winning.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's true the Crows when look, I'm not going

585
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Speaker 3: to say that I come as a strong word. I

586
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Speaker 3: didn't think about the fact of the close game stuff.

587
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Speaker 3: Just the one thing I like about so it looks fair.

588
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Speaker 2: Sure.

589
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Speaker 3: The one thing I like is that Collingwood has got

590
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Speaker 3: this new strategy this year. Because everyone's everyone else is

591
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Speaker 3: getting gotten really good at shutting down games, Collingwood is

592
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Speaker 3: having to come back in these games. They're much better

593
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Speaker 3: at shutting them down, and our team's doing that to them,

594
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Speaker 3: so that's fair enough. Their new strategy that umpires do

595
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Speaker 3: not believe in at all is half tackling someone, stopping

596
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Speaker 3: tackling someone, putting their arm up saying look, I'm not

597
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Speaker 3: tackling him. He's not getting rid of the ball, and

598
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Speaker 3: the umpires aren't saying, oh, yes, no, you're right, he's

599
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Speaker 3: holding it in and they're saying, no, you're tackling him.

600
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Speaker 3: I know what you're doing. I'm not going to call that.

601
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Speaker 3: Maybe by the letter of the law they should be

602
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Speaker 3: calling it, but I like that by the spirit of

603
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 3: the law they're not letting them get away with that

604
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Speaker 3: and just calling a ball up.

605
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Speaker 5: I actually really like that.

606
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Speaker 4: But it's.

607
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Speaker 3: Everyone through it.

608
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Speaker 5: I reckon that. I can't remember who.

609
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Speaker 4: But there was that last one right at the end.

610
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Speaker 4: I reckon it was right on a knife's edge. They

611
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: quickly got it out. But if that did have come

612
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Speaker 4: back in, I reckon they would have got pings. I

613
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 4: think it's actually really smart because no one else has

614
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Speaker 4: done it before. And yeah, it might not be working,

615
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: but it is in theory opening up space.

616
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Speaker 3: It shows they're thinking about the game in a different way,

617
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Speaker 3: which I can appreciate. They're at least trying to find

618
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Speaker 3: new tricks. It's just that things balance out in the end.

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Speaker 2: BC. This is a dangerous one. The Riley Philop kick

620
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Speaker 2: away was the biggest non free kick of the year,

621
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Speaker 2: fair or fast biggest non free kick aser Gary Lyon

622
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Speaker 2: in the emotion might not have been as big as

623
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Speaker 2: the collingwoodong one the rundown there.

624
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Speaker 4: Yes, I'll look for let's just go fair for theatrics

625
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 4: will continue on this. But yeah, I mean, I mean

626
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Speaker 4: maybe the decision itself, like there may have been worse

627
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Speaker 4: decisions this year. I don't think phil Thoughpe was purposely

628
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Speaker 4: trying to kick the ball away or time waste, but

629
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Speaker 4: letter of the law it probably should have been paid.

630
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Speaker 4: But I just in terms of the ramifications of the

631
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 4: free kick, maybe that's where you could go into that

632
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 4: territory that it was the worst free kick of the year,

633
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 4: because maybe then that gives the Collingwood the opportunity to

634
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 4: score again. Obviously they ended up getting an inside fifty

635
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: anyway and trying to score again, so it didn't really

636
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Speaker 4: matter in the end.

637
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 5: But letter of the law it was there.

638
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 4: It was controversial, but as we've just spoken about good

639
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 4: you know it swings and roundabouts with luck, Collingwood's had

640
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 4: their fair share. Maybe they were just jufis and bad luck.

641
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 4: So it felt like all their Christmases for in the

642
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 4: wrong end came at once.

643
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fair to point out that Collingwood, despite the perception,

644
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 3: has not been the beneficiary of free kicks all year.

645
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: I think they're negative overall for the season count Richmond,

646
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Speaker 3: like during the Richmond dnasty a little bit. It's less

647
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: ill disciplined and just more they're balanced out. I think

648
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: that free kick gets cold if it's at the MCG

649
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 3: probably yeah, because the crowd makes a big deal out

650
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: of it and then the umpires reaction of affirmation. Absolutely,

651
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: that is that free kick is the definition of home

652
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Speaker 3: ground advantage.

653
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Speaker 4: And it's probably one that you would have felt they

654
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Speaker 4: would have got two years ago when everything was kind

655
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Speaker 4: of just working and it's just sort of a healing

656
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 4: of it's just not quite their year or it's not

657
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 4: quite their nights.

658
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 3: So when does the feeling give inevitability disappear? Because I

659
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 3: certainly still watch Collingwood close games. Think, oh, probably right,

660
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: Probably although Saturday night I was atle Bit like, I

661
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 3: don't know Adelaide's defense is done. Damn well, they've stood

662
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: up to what seventy one inside fifties.

663
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 2: Maybe if they lose a close final, well.

664
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: They lost two in twenty twenty two and that didn't

665
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: stop them.

666
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 4: I mean, you know that they'll always be in a

667
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 4: position to win a game. It's just you can't always

668
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: rely on getting over the line. But they are very

669
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 4: good at making sure that if they're down or what

670
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 4: have you, that they'll be there.

671
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: I genuinely think now because of the close losses they've

672
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: had in this sort of five or six lost streak,

673
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: people are actually underrating Collingwood like they are actually better

674
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: than the ladder suggest and in an a normal season

675
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: they would still be definitely top four, maybe top two.

676
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: You've got to remember that the equalization of the top

677
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: eight and how jam packed it is is impacting everyone

678
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: in different ways.

679
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: The loss of the Lines and the loss to Hawthorne

680
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: were quite stark.

681
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: That too bad results, and the ged Areous game in

682
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: opening round wasn't as bad as the margin said, but

683
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: fifty points to fifty points, those are their three bad

684
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: games for the year.

685
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 4: I think just sorry lasting on the pies, like to

686
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 4: go glass up fall on them as well, Like there

687
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 4: were baby steps in terms of getting their game back

688
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 4: on track on the weekend, like their pressure was incredible,

689
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 4: that they looked a little bit better.

690
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 5: Around the ball and stuff. It's just that.

691
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 4: And you think that their defense will get settled again

692
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: by finals. I think it will at least. It's just

693
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 4: that forward connection.

694
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: At them and Bobby Hill's absence, which seems like it's

695
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: going to be for the rest of the year, is notable.

696
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: Max Rossline is the country's greatest value for tweet operator

697
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: fair or.

698
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: Uss Well, I don't remember. Look, I tweet a lot.

699
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: I don't think Giddy Images ever taken a photo of

700
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: me tweeting, certainly not intentionally anyway. That was quite funny

701
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: when he was complaining about Marvel Stadium roof being left open.

702
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: It's quite good. So what is he tweeted about? It

703
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: tweeted about that?

704
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: Was it strap yourself in?

705
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: Was it Tom Sheridan sunglasses which Frio player had sunglasses

706
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: that he was tweeting about.

707
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 5: Tom Sheridan does have a say Glasses brand.

708
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: Now I have to look up real ross Line on Twitter.

709
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: I talked about that when Nick Revolt was tired, I

710
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: want to say he did something then.

711
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: That sounds right. And now at real, ross Line on

712
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: Twitter has a whoppy.

713
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: He's had a few He's had a few replies. If

714
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: there's a few replies.

715
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: We only follows five people. Who do we think ross

716
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: Line follows Channel nine? Nope, No, se Lenny Hayes, Matthew Pavlich,

717
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: AFL dot Com, Arrow Minerals, a West African exploration company

718
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: focused on creating shareholder value. Yes, they love mining, and

719
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: a guy who I think is political, so let's just

720
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: keep that alone. Anyway, ross Line an interesting tweeter. Yes,

721
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: not worth following because when he tweets, everyone will retweet Ale.

722
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: That's right, And that's the.

723
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: Twitter review for this week.

724
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: Yes, at BC, despite Nasaiah staying the AFL trade period,

725
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: we'll still have lots of juice in twenty twenty five.

726
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 5: Fair, definitely fair.

727
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: It's hard to say how many of these stories that

728
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 4: we're kind of watching at the moment will actually play

729
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 4: out in terms of Harley Reid, what happens with Melbourne

730
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 4: with Petrarca and Oliver Carlton. How aggressive do they get

731
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: in reshape in their list. There's a lot of what

732
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: ifs right now, and it's hard to know how many

733
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: of them will play out, but I do think there will,

734
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 4: as per usual, be a very busy trade period. It's

735
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 4: just a matter of will there be the big, big

736
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: names that we thought might be on the trade block

737
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: because we know we can cross off Nosiah, We're not

738
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: sure about Harley Reid, and there's probably three or four

739
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: others Petrarca, Oliver, Keron O Mackay that are sort of

740
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: what ifs right now, so.

741
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: They're all most likely to stay. But if one goes,

742
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: that unlocks a few others potentially going to Yeah, because

743
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: your big moves below big moves.

744
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: Do you think your eyes are on the D's.

745
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 4: Yes, definitely, And obviously a lot of it's going to

746
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: come down to the coach coming in. If it's Nathan Buckley,

747
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: what does he think about Petrarca and Oliver and these

748
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: kind of guys. But certainly the D's are a big

749
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 4: watch that they just might be. Question with them is

750
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 4: who's actually running the club at the moment, Like what's

751
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 4: going on with the leadership. Brad Green's the interim president

752
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: of the moment, but he's outgoing, So they just need

753
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: to get their house in order before anything happens. And

754
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: I think that sort of unsettled nature of them at

755
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 4: the moment means that a lot of players would rightly

756
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: be asking questions.

757
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: So I think Steve Smith is the incoming president. He's

758
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: due to come in soon. Paul Gware is the incoming

759
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: chief executive. He's a September start date.

760
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: Along with the coaches is their current.

761
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: Along with hopefully, I think they need to move pretty quickly.

762
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: Because they established that they want to have him by

763
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Speaker 3: the end of September.

764
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: It almost has to be earlier than that because what

765
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: Melbourne or Melbourne season is about to end on Friday

766
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: night and.

767
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: That's, oh, come on, they can we make more games mid.

768
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: That's mid to late midwa Well, that's late. We're pushing

769
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: late August now, right, Stuff happens pretty quickly, and we're

770
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: talking off edis beforehand that off season central The number

771
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: one article on Fox sports dot commedy you every year.

772
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: Its Grand Final week is the week after the final

773
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: home in or a round season. That's where exit meetings happen,

774
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: Managers ramp up talks with their clients. You're talking about

775
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: Melbourne potentially having a big same the trade period. I

776
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: think the D's if they do want to try and

777
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: find some leadership and have some things in order, need

778
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: to move downe quickly.

779
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: I don't remember the specifics, but it feels like Brad

780
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: Scott came in at the start of the finals. I

781
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: want to say, that's the sort of period you usually

782
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: try and hire a coach so they can be part

783
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: of those decisions. So if you've got a strong footy department,

784
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: yes you can make those calls for them and they

785
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: can maybe be consulted as part of the process. But yeah,

786
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: they have a problem with that timeline, and it will

787
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: at least allow them to go into the trade period

788
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: knowing who's in charge, which will give the players confidence

789
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: or at least the confidence to make a decision. But yeah,

790
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: it's sill the problem.

791
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: Alan Richardson faces a big couple of weeks, I think,

792
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: in particular the footy boss.

793
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: But his future was even in question too, and whether

794
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: he's going to be there. I think he's gonna be

795
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: there next year, but maybe after that we don't know.

796
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've even heard that he's potentially in danger of

797
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 4: going at the end of the year, which is surprising

798
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 4: given that he's on the coaching selection committee. But yeah,

799
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 4: my point is that the guys that are going to

800
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 4: pick the next co right now, there's an unsettled nature

801
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: about everything that's happening and it doesn't bode well and

802
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 4: it doesn't the outlook. It is a bit of a

803
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 4: hard sell Melbourne at the moment for some of those

804
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 4: key players.

805
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 3: If it's Nathan Buckley who gets the job, he's the

806
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: favorite of the moment. It's the established coach who is

807
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: at least willing to be part of the process. We

808
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: know he's been at a club that has made big

809
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 3: moves in the past. Yep, Colin Wood when they had

810
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: ned guy running things, they had quite a bit of

811
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: trade period quite famously soon, So he would be someone

812
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,479
Speaker 3: who would be willing to foresee it. But the problem

813
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: is a new coach is not going to want to

814
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: come in and say let's get way worse unless he's

815
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: really willing to be a rebuild coach, which makes things

816
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: more dangerous for your job security going forward. And then

817
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 3: you're going to want to try and be successful the

818
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: next year and whether that matches up with their timeline.

819
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: Maybe with an established coach coming in rather than an assistant.

820
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: It buys you more time because you know, a fresh

821
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: face might get three years at a rebuild, whereas Buckley

822
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 3: would get four or five. Maybe that gives him more leverage,

823
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: more leniency.

824
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 4: And to go back one step, do you get the

825
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 4: job if you think that it is a need for

826
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 4: a rebuild? Because is Nathan Buckley the only person that

827
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: could walk into a room with Melbourne officials and say

828
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 4: I think we need to rebuild or some form of

829
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 4: a rebuild and have enough credibility for them to be like, yeah,

830
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 4: we trust him enough to get the job and to

831
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 4: do that as opposed to a untried coach, and then

832
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: they say, well, we don't want to go in that.

833
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: Two parts to that. I think I believe what a

834
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: lot of our commentators on Fox have been saying throughout

835
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: the year about Melbourne is I think they've been rebuilding

836
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: on the run already in terms of two four first

837
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: round picks in two seasons, and I think there's certainly

838
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: three of them have showed promise of probably a couple

839
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: of question marks over Colton Thostrup and he'll get through.

840
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: So I think they've been rebuilding as they go and

841
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: they've been they've been aggressive in their moves and that's

842
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: certainly justified. Is from a coaching perspective, is ken Hinckley

843
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: potentially the guy there? John Ralph Rode a fascinating piece around.

844
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: Ken Hinckley might be the guy in his late fifties

845
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: who might want to retire, but sort of a couple

846
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 2: of weeks in a retirement is getting very bored already,

847
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: and maybe that the best seasoned to actually have a job.

848
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: It would just be so quick to turn that around.

849
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: Maybe if you've got to the end the September to

850
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: make up your mind, that could work. Maybe, And if

851
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: Buckley says no when they have to delay things a

852
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: little bit. I just want to keep in mind with Melbourne, like,

853
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: they're not terrible, right, they're seven and fifteen with the

854
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 3: percentage of ninety three point four.

855
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: It's just that first six weeks of the season costs.

856
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: Well. They change everything after being zip five and Simon

857
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: Goodmam did a great job coaching them, I thought for

858
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: the rest of the season, just not quite enough. They

859
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: lost a few close games. Keep in mind last year

860
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: Adelaide was fifteenth, right, they won eight and a half games.

861
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: The percentage of ninety nine. Clearly not a bad team

862
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 3: that were always going to rise, maybe not this much,

863
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: we didn't think, but they were always going to rise

864
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: back up. And so Melbourne has that potential if everything

865
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: goes right next year. Certainly you've got so many of

866
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 3: their gun players who aren't performing at the level we

867
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: know they can. Maybe it all comes together and they

868
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: play finals next year. It's certainly not impossible.

869
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 4: And that's probably the difference between Adelaide and Melbourne is

870
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 4: that their Adelaide's core leaders are locked in, they want

871
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 4: to be there, whereas Melbourne there's a lot of uncertainty

872
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 4: among that absolute core and a lot of them right now,

873
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: body language and the way they're playing doesn't look great.

874
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 4: So that would be the thing i'd say about that

875
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: with Adelaide and just on ken Hinckley, I think it's

876
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 4: probably more likely we'll go into some sort of footy

877
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 4: boss role next year.

878
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 5: Maybe it's Melbourne, maybe Carlton.

879
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, keep your eyes on that. It's now time.

880
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: That was some really hard hitting questions, but there are

881
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: more hard hitting questions coming up right now.

882
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: On the Fox Foody podcast. It's time to open up

883
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: the mailbag. Have a question for the panel tweet us

884
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: every Monday morning at Fox Footy.

885
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 3: Well, I think the mail bag's done quite well this week.

886
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: Just a couple of entries from our lovely listeners who

887
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 3: wrote in after we tweeted out on Monday morning. They

888
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: gave us the questions we give them the answers that

889
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: they're after. So Ben and Ben's one from Ben, Yes,

890
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: who asks, is it actually a standout team in the

891
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: top nine? You'd confidently call premiership favorite Brisbane confidently?

892
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: Of the nine teams, the team I'm most confident in.

893
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: So whether that's confident, I'm not sure.

894
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to say an answer that began with is

895
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 3: not confid No.

896
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 5: I would say Geelong.

897
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 4: My three front runners all season long Evan, Collingwood, Brisbane

898
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 4: and Geelong in no real order. And I think, as

899
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: we just spoke about earlier, they're sort of just going

900
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 4: about their business quietly. No one really is talking them

901
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: out that much. But their games in great shape, their

902
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 4: prime for another deep run, and their stars are all

903
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: in great.

904
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: For it, and they're healthy.

905
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 5: The Cats, they're healthy.

906
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 4: I just think of every club right now, you look

907
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: at who's best positioned, I would say Geelong, but I'm

908
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: not ultra confident that they're going to win the flag,

909
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 4: but I think they're in the best spot.

910
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: The narrative around Geelong having a soft draw heading into

911
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 2: the finals is I think he's ridiculous after twenty twenty

912
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: two because they had a really soft draw heading into

913
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. They had that mighty qualifying final win

914
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: over Collingwood which is probably their Grand final, and then

915
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 2: comprehensive wins over Brisbane and then Sydney in the prelim

916
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: in the Grand final. So I don't think after that

917
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: soft draw in the homeway season, I think that that's

918
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: an irrelevant argument heading into twenty twenty five.

919
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: I think you think of the teams that have had

920
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: incredible runs to get into finals, teams that have been

921
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: playing finals before the finals. You can go back to

922
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: Richmond when they had to win nine in a row

923
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: to make it in twenty fourteen. The Bulldogs every year

924
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: have to play in around twenty four to decide their season,

925
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: and those teams don't do anything when they get to

926
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: September because you're tie it, because you're exhausted, because you

927
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: might have some injuries. It's not a bad thing like

928
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 3: there will be teams that lose in the finals and

929
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: don't have a result that reflects their ladd of positions.

930
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: That just happens anyway, It's not nothing really to do

931
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: with a soft draw. Speaking of a perfect follow up

932
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: question from Mitchell in a hypothetical Cats versus Lions qualifying

933
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: final at the MCG, which is what I'm predicting, Yes,

934
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: who goes in.

935
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 4: As favorites geelongly mainly because of probably the injury situation,

936
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 4: because we probably think Hipward's not going to be there.

937
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what's happening with Jared Berry.

938
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: Hip wot's out. Berry's a chance by this week, but

939
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: it puts out for four weeks.

940
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 2: I would think they wouln't play Berry.

941
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 4: There would be some question marks around lockey new So

942
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 4: I just think Geelong probably home grand advantage and probably

943
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: just a bit more continuity and who's been out of

944
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 4: the park.

945
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: How dare you say home ground advantage when you're talking

946
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 3: about why do we get a home state final? I'm angry.

947
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 5: Well you could even just say the Grand final?

948
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 3: Well you could, that could be the match up there.

949
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: Keeping in mind that Brisbane has now won five straight

950
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: at the MCG. Wow, they I think.

951
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: They're playing better away from home than at the Gabba.

952
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: They've lost four games at home this season. I think

953
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 3: you can very genuinely make the argument that Brisbane are

954
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: scarier at the MCG than at the Gabba. I think

955
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 3: the expanses of the MCG suit their game right now,

956
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: the way they're able to chip it around and use

957
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: the wings and all that stuff. The Gabba just whatever

958
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: it is, they seem to have problems there. So I

959
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: think it's why Hawthorne's a chance this week. I would

960
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: be more confident tipping Brisbane this week if it was

961
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 3: Hawthorn Brisbane at the MCG.

962
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: I think imagine saying what you just said about Brisbane

963
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: saying that two years ago, well.

964
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 3: That's e quickly things can change. That's why people buying

965
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 3: the trends all the time. And yeah Brisbane had a

966
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 3: bad record at the MCG, it's because they were playing

967
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 3: two finals a year.

968
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: Brisbane did a number on Hawthorne at the g earlier this.

969
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: Year, did they did? That's what would have mixed confidence.

970
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: So what they've won obviously the Grand Final and then

971
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 3: three games there this year, all won by five goals.

972
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: Pretty good team.

973
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: Brisbane also has the best record against the top nine.

974
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: They do well, they've got the most winds and I

975
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: think it's now the best win rate that they're eight

976
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: and four, but they've I mean eight and four. More

977
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: than half of their draw has been against the top nine.

978
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: Geelong I think it's played seven or eight games against

979
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 3: the top nine. It is. You can genuinely make the

980
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 3: case that if that game is at the MCG, it's

981
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: because Geelong had a softer draw. So these are the

982
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: advantages that teams sometimes get. And that is the mailback.

983
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: That was a strongly issue of the Mailbag, of course. Now,

984
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: just to lighten things up a little bit, one of

985
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: our favorite segments, Oh, we go into a Touch of Cunning, gentlemen.

986
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: We didn't have any Kevin Sheedy last week, and I

987
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: know everyone was very upset by this, yes, obviously just distraught.

988
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: And what we love about Sheets is the romance he

989
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 3: has for the game. Now, the love of footy is

990
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: a footy man through and through, and he's a romantic

991
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: in his personal life too, is he. Jeez, And let's

992
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: read this deep pat This is of course Kevin Cheney's

993
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: first book, a biography entitled A Touch of Cunning, and

994
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: here is a portion of that book discussing he and

995
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 3: his wife Geraldine. Okay, when we were on our honeymoon,

996
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: Geraldine and I probably visited every football club in and

997
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: around Adelaide. Sheety recall sixteen years later, Geraldine knew that

998
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: was part of the deal, part of my life. It

999
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: probably wasn't the most romantic way of having a honeymoon,

1000
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: but I think we both enjoyed it. I know I did,

1001
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: and we both learned a lot about what our future

1002
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: lives would be like. I asked, Geraldine, would you consider

1003
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: these football clubs as my future employers? Are there any

1004
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: of these places where you would like us to live

1005
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: and us to have our children? Geraldine said there were,

1006
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: but as it happened, of course, we chose Essendon, or

1007
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 3: rather Essendon chose me. Sure it may sound cold blooded,

1008
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 3: but when you're taking a girl away from her mum

1009
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: and dad, the least you can do is ask her

1010
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 3: if she'd be happy with the place you'd be working

1011
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: and she'd be living. Maybe it wasn't very romantic, but

1012
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: that was the way it happened, and I think Geraldine

1013
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: and I have been okay since. I certainly have been.

1014
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: Geraldine is a good wife. We have four good kids,

1015
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: a night home and some good friends. We even have

1016
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: a good football team. What more could any girl want?

1017
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: That's extraordinary?

1018
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 5: Do you have a nickname for Geraldine? That's a lot,

1019
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 5: that's a gal that's gonna be.

1020
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: I wonder if I wonder if he has really turned

1021
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: off which samful Cuby might have been surely.

1022
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 3: District bulldogs or lovely parts of the world for him

1023
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: to consider coaching. But no, she got to live in

1024
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 3: beautiful maybe in Strathmore. Lenn Birviie who knows.

1025
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: Don't know too many people from Oh no, Adelade's a

1026
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: bit sexy these days to probably take your do your

1027
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: honeymoon there, I reckon.

1028
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: I mean you got the I don't think. I don't

1029
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: think he just stayed in the CBD or they stayed

1030
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 3: out to penfolds look brundle them all.

1031
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I was. I was in Adelaide on.

1032
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 3: Sunday for the af w W.

1033
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 5: How hasn't been?

1034
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: How was around one of the ad one of the.

1035
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: Tyron Yeah, tying it did get lost quite a fair

1036
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: I suppose, And that's the reality of putting the competition.

1037
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: At this time of the year, Fox are showing thirty

1038
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: six games in two weeks extraordinary.

1039
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: And we're watching them all.

1040
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: Of course, thirty seven if you include the round twenty

1041
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: four game.

1042
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: Of course do we have to include had to tip.

1043
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good point.

1044
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: Just a couple of quick talking points on AFOL. They

1045
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: had the new holding the ball interpretation.

1046
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: Right, this sucks. Yeah, I hate it.

1047
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 2: So if you go back and watch, maybe some highlights

1048
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: of they wanted to know. There was a Essen's got

1049
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: eighty five points is good. But the game that Charlot

1050
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: and I did Giants and Essenon and Canberra on Saturday,

1051
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 2: there were forty three free kicks paid during the game,

1052
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: twenty six to sen and a lot of them were

1053
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: holding them ball with this I think the intention of

1054
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: the new interpretation, but there was just they had next

1055
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: to no prior.

1056
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 3: It looks really bad at times, especially if they get

1057
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: it wrong at all and go a step too far,

1058
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: then it looked insane a decision.

1059
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: There were some games or only twenty nine free kicks

1060
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: for the whole game that were paid. I think Charlot

1061
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: and I just got too bad. We have port Adelaide

1062
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: and free with some touchy calls as well. But the

1063
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: Carlton Collingwood on Thursday night. Didn't start Razor was doing

1064
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: that game.

1065
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: No, there were two bad calls earlier in that game

1066
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 3: that you were like, oh god, what have they done

1067
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: at the game now?

1068
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: So I think I'm not jumping up and down about

1069
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: it and putting on watch. But if it's the same

1070
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 2: in four weeks time, I think we need to recant.

1071
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: The whole point of the new interpretation is to, in

1072
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: Jared Heally's words, set the share and free and hopefully

1073
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: lead to more scoring. But besides, we didn't probably see

1074
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: a massive uptaken in scoring this week. And the other

1075
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: other thing is the young girls that came through from

1076
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 2: last year's draft are so much better prepared for AFLW

1077
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: now compared to certainly ten years, ten seasons ago, but

1078
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: four or five years ago.

1079
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: These are girls who were nine years old and could

1080
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 3: dream of playing senior level footy professionally. So that's why

1081
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 3: they're going to be so ash. Center, of course is

1082
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 3: going to be good. Look how much footag she's got

1083
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: to play growing up compared to the girls who've been

1084
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 3: there for five ten years.

1085
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they they the game sense and their kicking

1086
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: ability and their running ability. They're more conditioned, Shiloh said,

1087
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: So that makes them beautifully set up for afl W.

1088
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: So they'll be yes another nine games across this weekend.

1089
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: You'd think there'd be some sort of correction with the

1090
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: holding the ball right, like they'll.

1091
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 2: Get it, give it a four week four weeks we had.

1092
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 4: The same thing and the men's started last year. It

1093
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 4: was really hot and holding the ball and they're not.

1094
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 3: Like this, this is a reward the tackler do an

1095
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: extreme but there will be a correction of s.

1096
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that will be done privately amongst the

1097
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: umpiring group this week. But so if we don't see

1098
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: a correction in the next two to three weeks, I

1099
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: think alarm.

1100
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 3: Bells kill to beat Anelaide.

1101
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: US they did. That was the biggest up set because

1102
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: I think, so this is Matthew Clark's last season as coach,

1103
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: which is already.

1104
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: I know handover in South Australia. No wonder they're struggling.

1105
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: Well, there's no there's no coach ready to take over.

1106
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: But so they don't even have the positive part of

1107
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: the do they do they what's the mindset of the players,

1108
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: like heating into the season knowing.

1109
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 3: That adelaide A perennial contender with Brisbane and North.

1110
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: And Brisbane lost again in round one at Springfield for

1111
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 2: the third straight season to Hawthorne. Hawthorne.

1112
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 3: Hawthorne is one of them.

1113
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 5: Was it a last dance kind of mentality as well?

1114
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 5: Let's give this one last crack Adelaide Adelaide.

1115
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: Potentially the Adelade's list has changed a little bit, obviously,

1116
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: every Maronov's their star. Yes, India Rashid Roger Rashid's daughter

1117
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 2: Debiitanti kicked the goal on Big Port.

1118
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 4: Can you give us AFL a young AFL W player

1119
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 4: that people aren't really talking about that you really.

1120
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 5: Liked the look of over the weekend spot on with this.

1121
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: One week I really liked. I'll come back to you. Yes,

1122
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: Essendon and Carlton the AFL competition. Oh yes, the men

1123
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: play on Thursday for the Jordan Banister Cup.

1124
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: Tribunal member Jordan Bannis.

1125
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: Yes, and I think he is one of the umpires

1126
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: that come back with Razor and Chris Donland to help

1127
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: out with the.

1128
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: Let's hope he's on the blockbuster Alex Davies trope tonight,

1129
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 3: which we haven't previewed at all because well, you know.

1130
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 5: Carlton's Yes, Carlton.

1131
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 4: I just bought a fifty seven dollars visitor ticket via

1132
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: the MCC.

1133
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 5: Thanks MCC for my lovely partner.

1134
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: Jess fifty bucks g seven bucks.

1135
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: Yes, so losing money not to go.

1136
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 4: Hopefully they put on a show that I think the

1137
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 4: Blues should finish off it. What's been a sort of

1138
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 4: solid few weeks for them.

1139
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: Zach Merritt two fiftieth truy good, good, good celebration for him.

1140
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. Collingwood and Melbourne for the Ben Kennedy Cup.

1141
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: Oh yes, Collinwood cold playing for top four.

1142
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 5: I think Collingwood, but I'm more nervous about this than

1143
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 5: I should be.

1144
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: Look, Melbourne are okay, Collingwood's not.

1145
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 4: You don't have great confidence with what Collingwood was going

1146
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 4: to produce at the moment.

1147
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 3: Do you nearly nearly beat the dogs? Should have beaten

1148
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 3: some kilder.

1149
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 5: I think it'll be than what people think.

1150
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: Okay, and then then that costs the Pies top four.

1151
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: You you respect Port Adelaide and Gold Coasts for the

1152
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: Nathan Cracker.

1153
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 4: Cup, Sons the Suns, But this is to me a

1154
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 4: big upset watch just because I know we spoke before

1155
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 4: put Adelide's not in good form.

1156
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 5: They're missing a lot of players.

1157
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 4: But I just think if you're ever going to put

1158
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 4: in one big, big, big last effort, guys like Zach

1159
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 4: Butter's kind of rosy playing for their coach, this would

1160
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 4: be it.

1161
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 3: But surely I think I.

1162
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: Think it's the only reason why Ollie Wats is challenging

1163
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: his suspension.

1164
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, true, Yeah, it doesn't realistically matter.

1165
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: I don't doubt. There's probably more nuanced to that. But

1166
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: that's surely playing a.

1167
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 3: Big, big role that I know they've got a motion,

1168
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 3: but the percentage of seventy nine, yes, they're not good.

1169
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: North Melbourne and Adelaide For the Brad Moran cuff.

1170
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 3: Adelaide clinches the minor premiership at Marvel You suspect, yes,

1171
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: the cron How about Harry.

1172
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: She's getting fifty four disposals in the game.

1173
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not going to say he had the toughest competition,

1174
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 3: but the crowd was into it though.

1175
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 5: That was the best part of it.

1176
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 3: That was the cheers for every added touch. That and

1177
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 3: the moment that he got his fiftieth but then didn't

1178
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 3: because he got run down by Maurice Roli.

1179
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 4: All of us in the office as wellering for him

1180
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 4: it was extraordinary exciting time.

1181
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: It's good Richmond and Geelong for the Oren Stephenson Cup.

1182
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: Geelong gets it done and finishes second.

1183
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Cats, it will be a drubby How many

1184
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: goals for Jeremy Cameron who was held goalless last weekend.

1185
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: Twenty one? Yeah, he's gonna get get the hundred.

1186
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: So get down to the game. Sur pass Fred frowning

1187
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: by three.

1188
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna be a big night.

1189
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 4: I think this will be a real look for Jazz

1190
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 4: sort of operation. I reckon he'll get eight.

1191
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 3: I genuinely think he will kick like three. Like I

1192
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 3: don't think they're looking for him. I think they're trying

1193
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: to almost ignore it. So it's no Shannon Neil though

1194
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 3: this week. Well that's true, and Neil's I think he said,

1195
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 3: like the second most contested marks for all forwards of

1196
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 3: us stuff.

1197
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 4: What if the game's over at three court a time,

1198
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 4: sixty points surely a bit of party time for this.

1199
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess. But I think you could genuinely

1200
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: make the case that the Cats are worse off if

1201
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 3: he is on like ninety goals going into finals, then

1202
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 3: on eighty three true and it becomes.

1203
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 5: A thing, all right, Jesse Cameron, don't try to kick goals.

1204
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 3: This week's be ridiculous.

1205
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: West Coast and Sydney for the Mark Cebe Cup.

1206
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: Sydney a bit of a slight dead rubber here.

1207
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 5: You'd suggest, yeah, the Swans.

1208
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: But if it was a disappointing performance from the Swans

1209
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: against Gelong, they were expected to yeah, challenge him and

1210
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: a banana Hill game, but they didn't quite come to fruition.

1211
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: The Giants and St Kilda. This kicks off the Sunday ticket.

1212
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 2: This is for the Josh Bruce Cup.

1213
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 3: Not a huger number of GWS Saints double ups players.

1214
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: You do your research, obviously, just him and Jack Steele.

1215
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: I think you can't play for your own cup.

1216
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 2: Oh well we've got someone coming up.

1217
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 3: Well, if you have to, you can play for your

1218
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 3: own cup.

1219
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: But it's the absolute last priority.

1220
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 3: Giants. They went big. Yeah, there are chants to sneak

1221
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 3: in the top four, but it's more with results going

1222
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 3: their way. They probably made Collingwood to loze and Hawthorne

1223
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 3: to lose. But now the Giants get it done. What's

1224
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 3: the Giants persona situation one hundred and fifteen point five,

1225
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 3: Collinwood Hawthorne both around hundred and twenty three. Gold Coast

1226
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: will be above that and twice.

1227
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 5: It need to be like a proper mauling.

1228
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's not going to happen. But I think

1229
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: it's more that they just do it safely.

1230
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: Yep, the elimination final, before the elimination final, the Bulldogs

1231
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: and the Dockers for the Stephen Coops Cup.

1232
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 3: It's like the wild cards here early. This is basically

1233
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 3: a preview. This is Andrew Dillon's dream come to life. Yes,

1234
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 3: and I think the Bulldogs win. I think, what are

1235
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 3: they ten and two at Marvel this year? And Frio

1236
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 3: is zip and one losing, losing told by sixty points.

1237
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: And so the thing is, I'd bring up that game

1238
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: sort of jokingly. That game is going to end up

1239
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: ruining their season if they miss on percentage. A ten

1240
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: goal loss to a bottom nine team is what has

1241
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: made their percent That and a bunch of close wins

1242
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,959
Speaker 3: where maybe they should have kicked a few more goals.

1243
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a result like that that give them

1244
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: a terrible percentage for their record.

1245
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Dogs are just better, more weapons on the field,

1246
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 4: more play the grand better. But you do have to

1247
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 4: highlight that this is a huge game for Freer because

1248
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 4: they've got a lot of people talking all of them

1249
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: at the moment and they get drawing a lot of scrutiny,

1250
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 4: and I just think that they would know that that

1251
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 4: this is a huge chance for them to make a statement.

1252
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 5: But I don't think they were the dog.

1253
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: What hot the dogs lose.

1254
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: Cost It's worse if the Dogs lose, If Frio loses,

1255
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: everyone's gonna be auldramatic. And how did they miss finals?

1256
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: But fifteen wins after winning twelve they are clearly on

1257
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: an upward trajectory and any gear ever they play finales

1258
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 3: with that record. It's not their fault that there were

1259
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 3: eight better teams for the Bulldogs. They have almost the

1260
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: best percentage in the comp. They're point seven of Adelaide

1261
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 3: and could miss the eight like that. They are the

1262
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: ones who have cost themselves by not being able to

1263
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 3: beat contenders all the year. Over the course of the season,

1264
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: the Bulldogs have been more disappointing, even if the final

1265
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: result ends up going in their favor.

1266
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: Just on the Dockers you talk mentioned in afl W

1267
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: player to keep an eye who's not talking about Georgie Brisbane,

1268
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: who was from the Eastern Rangers out east, beautiful part

1269
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 2: of and she was I think in the picking the

1270
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: teens early teens for his first pick last year, and

1271
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: she doesn't didn't get the same plau It's Zippy Fish

1272
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: and CenTra and Havana Harris who played for the Suns.

1273
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: How are there so many incredible names in this crack it?

1274
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 3: Havana Harris is the most Gold Coast name I could

1275
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: possibly think of. It played really well to so good.

1276
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: She's Hugh Georgie Brisbane, just bess out in her first goal,

1277
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: but like a great example of physically being ready for

1278
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 2: AFLW from a presence perspective marking and just looks so dangerous.

1279
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 5: Forward, crafty forward.

1280
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: Key Ford Yeah, one hundred key Ford's one hundred and

1281
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: seventy five centimeters AFL dub Yeah.

1282
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 3: No, like her for sure, surely by just like they

1283
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: should have had a rule in the draft that she

1284
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 3: had to go to Brisbane.

1285
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: Look, it's gonna be very confusing with the dockers and

1286
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 2: the lines play.

1287
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 3: So the reason the reason Ritro played for Richmond, right,

1288
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: that's nominative determinism.

1289
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 2: Brisbane speaking of Brisbane for the Brisbane Lions host Hawthorne

1290
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: for the Jordan Lyle Cup.

1291
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 3: If you are, let's say, theoretically you were in a

1292
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 3: been comp where you were tied with your joint leader going.

1293
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: Around the season, you sense this is a this is

1294
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: a defining game.

1295
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 3: I would sense that this is the defining game? Is

1296
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 3: it not?

1297
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 4: Now?

1298
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: Is this? Is this not the most likely upset in

1299
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: the round.

1300
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm watching that Ports game with Are are you

1301
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 4: going to tip Port? I just there's just something about

1302
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: that game like Port at home.

1303
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 3: But look, all I'll say is I jokingly offered a

1304
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 3: Ben Stokes style early handshake. So let's share the championship.

1305
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Speaker 5: Max is speaking sort of riddles here.

1306
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 4: Hey and I are tied at the moment dot Com leaderboard,

1307
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 4: so it's a big weekend. But there's Yeah, there's only

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00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 4: one two games that you'd maybe.

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00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 3: This is one. So this is one where I could

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00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 3: genuinely see Hawthorne winning the some great form at a

1311
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 3: great time of year. Brisbane, as we've known, has been

1312
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: flaky at home. I'm tipping Brisbane just because I do

1313
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 3: have belief in the same way Ben that you're saying

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00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,959
Speaker 3: that they would be your Premiership favorite because you trust

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00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 3: in the most. It's the same to me. I think

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00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: I usually on the Sunday night. Well it'll be Wednesday

1317
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 3: night now. Once the final eight is locked in, I

1318
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 3: tweet out my predicted bracket. I think I'll probably tip

1319
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 3: Brisbane to win it, but wow, it depends on how

1320
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 3: they get there and if they lose, they're going to

1321
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 3: have a really hard path.

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00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 4: I'll go Brisbane as well. But I think something has

1323
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 4: changed at Hawthorne in the last two weeks. They look reenergized,

1324
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 4: they look different. They've got the four key forwards now

1325
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 4: and a group that just sort of fears no one

1326
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 4: and will just go out there and play their brand.

1327
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 4: So they are a team that I could see pulling

1328
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 4: a rabbit out of the hat this September.

1329
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: So I had their mid season loll and sort of

1330
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 2: peaking at the right time of the year.

1331
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 3: Well, they've really had five good weeks because they've beat

1332
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 3: Port and Carlton, then they had that Adelaide game where

1333
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 3: they absolutely could have won it Oval and then the

1334
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 3: two really good wins back to back, so they're in

1335
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 3: pretty good form.

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00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: Just no Day unfortunately, No Day, and then we finish

1337
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: with the makeup opening round cycling game Gold Coast and Essendon.

1338
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: We've been waiting. We've literally been waiting for it all season,

1339
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: for this game for the Peter Wright Cup.

1340
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 3: I mean literally we have yes, literally, I have not

1341
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: actually been waiting for this game in any sense. I

1342
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 3: think it was the most obvious thing in the world

1343
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 3: that Essendon would not be playing for anything in this

1344
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: and putting it in at any other point of the

1345
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 3: victure would have been really nice.

1346
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: I think Brad Scott said on three sixty last night,

1347
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: we would have very much liked to have played and

1348
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 2: knocked this game over earlier, but from a pew up

1349
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: from all parties, machinations hard to do.

1350
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: But he says that, but wasn't the entire point that

1351
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 3: they didn't do it so that both teams could have

1352
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: their buy That's why we didn't get the Round nineteen

1353
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 3: around twenty games, because both teams had their buye instead.

1354
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 3: And so we've got this weird look. Maybe maybe Port

1355
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 3: does beat Gold Coast and maybe this is the Suns

1356
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: needing to win to clinch their first finals, and that's lovely,

1357
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: or at worst it should be then playing for top four.

1358
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 3: There's some stakes in it. But it's just feels so

1359
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: wrong to have a team playing completely for nothing on

1360
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 3: a Wednesday night. It's like COVID times. It does feel

1361
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: like you know, at that stadium too.

1362
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: Do you know why it feels like COVID times because

1363
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: they do AFL three sixty before the game.

1364
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeses, the Suns will win and they'll play finals and

1365
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: everyone will be excited about that. But they made a

1366
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: mess of this seven.

1367
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 4: They could get ugly Essendon just missing so many players.

1368
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, Soun's comfortably.

1369
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: Okay, that is the end, but this is at Vermiakably.

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Speaker 2: We'll probably do a podcast before that game talk about

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00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 2: it again.

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00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 4: Yes, it could be key ramification, but will just say.

1373
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: Is Essendon is gonna lose. It doesn't even matter.

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00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: That Will Essen the seventy part of our brutal reviews

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00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: which will drop. That's truly next week. As you're looking

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00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: forward to, Maxwell has composed himself. In the meantime, keep

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Speaker 2: looking back to Foxfooty dot com dot Yes.

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