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Speaker 1: Approache Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle Comments and.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, I speak with Johnny Walker, a former

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Speaker 1: professional boxer whose life took a sharp turn to the

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Speaker 1: outlaw world of biking clubs.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, when I was boxing, I wanted to be the

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Speaker 3: best I could. Once I joined that sort of world,

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Speaker 3: I want to be the best I could. You don't

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Speaker 3: want to be just the boke to skip him in

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Speaker 3: the corner. I want to be the best in the gym.

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Speaker 3: I felt like I was at the top of my world.

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Speaker 3: Then I went to a boy club where I felt

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Speaker 3: like I was at the top of that world. And

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Speaker 3: next meet you're in the submarine, which is underneath the

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Speaker 3: courts in Melbourne. I think that's as far as you

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Speaker 3: can go from top to bottom real quick. I mean,

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Speaker 3: do you agree your actions of losing eight years of

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Speaker 3: your life, Yeah, understand, but it was one of them

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Speaker 3: things that I think it was just bad luck. But

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to say I regret it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Johnny for coming on. I really appreciate the time.

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Speaker 2: This has been a long thing for me to get

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Speaker 2: you on my podcast. I must admit I think it's been.

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Speaker 2: Actually think I reached out to you three years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was, yeah, three years ago, but I appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time coming on. Before we get into everything, I

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Speaker 2: just want to know you about person growing up and

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Speaker 2: also your boxing career and then how you eventually got.

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Speaker 1: Into the boxing scene.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So as a kid, obviously grow up in the western

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Speaker 3: sub of Melbourne, a place called Newport. Now Newport's a

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Speaker 3: real nice places that was a nice place where we

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Speaker 3: thought it was, or probably other people didn't parts of Melbourne,

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Speaker 3: I guess. But yeah, we grew up just as normal kids,

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Speaker 3: just neighbors in my quarters, right bags, but until we'll

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Speaker 3: just be normal. Never really took the school much, so

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Speaker 3: you know, he would hang around, probably do the wrong

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Speaker 3: thing more often than brothers and sisters. Yeah, two younger brothers,

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Speaker 3: Ben he's six, yes, younger with me, and then I

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Speaker 3: his old bouncer. So we worked around old Melbourn clubs

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Speaker 3: in the late eighties and nineties.

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Speaker 4: So he was a hard head.

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Speaker 1: Was it hard that at home too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's always hard. He's still hard ed now back

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Speaker 3: So he brought he brought us up the right way,

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, you know, and respect and always respect

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Speaker 4: He taught us the right way. Yeah. Then I'll obviously

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Speaker 3: Ten, started out in like karate keep boxing, done that

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Speaker 1: Is that you that wanted to do that or did

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Speaker 4: I wanted.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to do it, but not as just to

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Speaker 4: Then just as a wrap back. I just wanted to

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Speaker 3: They had one set up there and then and Willie

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Speaker 1: Do you think that was going to discipline you by

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Speaker 3: I think he saw they probably think a bit too

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Speaker 3: much of yourself, Neil were going to tell you then

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Speaker 4: Than I gave back then.

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Speaker 3: But then it all worked out, and then I think

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Speaker 3: even probably my dad at some point thought he won't

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Speaker 2: At what point did you did you when you were

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Speaker 2: doing the boxing that you think, all right, I want

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Speaker 3: Now, I reckon it wasn't probably too very late in

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Speaker 3: the POTENSI yourself and other people. You know, you're good trainers,

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Speaker 3: and obviously people around you don't give you too much

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Speaker 4: Stopped, don't you.

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Speaker 3: So I always had them hard critics around me who

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Speaker 3: time Kevin Hargroves who's passed away now. He was one

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Speaker 3: of my very close mentors at the time. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how good I sparred, or if I

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Speaker 3: we're going to do better.

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Speaker 4: So he always kept a little and I think that

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Speaker 3: Like I said before, if you if you think you

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Speaker 3: twenty star Tank serious turn prior twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Who's your first place against that when you're saying pro.

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Speaker 3: Turn pro colmwood town Hall against Paul Burke, who was

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Speaker 3: two or three times in the amateurs. He got me twice,

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Speaker 3: not Benny once. So he turned pro. First profile was

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Speaker 2: Was it hard back then, like when you started off

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Speaker 2: getting opponents because I know a lot of boxes from

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Speaker 2: down Wollongong Way in Sydneyway. It was always hard and

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Speaker 2: make it, I've got to go overseas. I got it

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Speaker 3: It was so we had a fight at Knox City

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Speaker 3: the New zeal On champion. That time I had my

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Speaker 3: and really I didn't care. How to just listen to

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Speaker 3: I was having my second and his bloke was New

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Speaker 3: zeal And champion Connahunia. He ended up being a journeyman,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know him from Baro solapiet I mean I

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Speaker 4: We got the win over him, the third round KO win.

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Speaker 3: So after that win there a second profile that really

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that led to my first last because after that

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Speaker 3: We could that time, taking nothing away from Timmy me

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Speaker 1: Nothing was there to show you what if you.

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Speaker 3: like because they had their backing. Yeah, they could produce

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Speaker 3: it was very hard in them early two thousands. Where

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know if you know, like I used to.

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Speaker 1: It was like, do you think that that's a big

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Speaker 3: Like when I look in hindsight, it's probably a regret

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Speaker 3: that I didn't go to Sydney, because I mean they.

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Speaker 4: No, I went I went to Sydney in the fight,

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Speaker 3: My regret is like people like say Angela Hyder, the

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Speaker 3: And I love I love a lot of traunders. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just you were loyal, that loyal thing,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but if you look at hindsight now, the

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, I'm happy with what because you're retired. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I retired.

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Speaker 3: We won the UBC and wo ornental title why up

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a will title there and the wo

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Speaker 3: No, that's right, and I was just lucky I had

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Speaker 4: I think that's that's again.

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Speaker 3: We can thank the social media and networks like this

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Speaker 2: When you did join the scene, like when you were

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Speaker 3: Or the parties you it was?

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Speaker 2: Did you ever only get any any of your former

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Speaker 3: Know what a lot of the keyword that'd always you

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Speaker 3: Like how many how much fights do you have? About

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Speaker 4: So we're doing we're doing title fights in the gym.

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Speaker 3: because that was the old method, the old way. Heavy

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Speaker 4: Wow, And so we'll spark. I was banged up.

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Speaker 4: I remember spark.

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Speaker 3: We've we've sparked spars in the gym that would sell

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Speaker 3: you know. I so now now they mastered the art

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Speaker 1: It's all about being an athlete now, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And it's about being smarter, ye not tougher. And it's

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Speaker 3: about knocking here and hidden, you know. I mean we're

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Speaker 1: So what's the biggest highlights in your box and career?

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Speaker 3: I wish I could afford. Nah, I wouldn't say like

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Speaker 3: I said, I never really never. I never were too

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Speaker 4: It wasn't real.

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Speaker 3: But back then there wasn't real rivals like there wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Me and Daniel Porky Love were meant to have a

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Speaker 3: It was never a grudge match. Me and Daniel, My

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Speaker 3: me and Porky were good mates for years. We're best

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Speaker 3: of mates throughout boxing career, sparing partners mates. That fight

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Speaker 3: I wonder the fight or just whoever they push in

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Speaker 5: Well, never thought about coming with trainer boxing trainer, nah, No,

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Speaker 5: I definitely Dave Heckerty had you still got Toalentic boxing gym.

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Speaker 5: Now that's why I finished up. That's probably my last

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Speaker 3: It's just commitment. It's just time. I know what it's like.

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Speaker 3: you got to you gottatain that you committed, you gotta.

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Speaker 3: I mean, days are sick that it's trainers. Not enough

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Speaker 1: The train doesn't turn off. There's no pining in the

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Speaker 3: Right, and people don't give him the respect they deserve

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Speaker 1: When you when you did joined the biking scene, like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like you.

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Speaker 1: You you got to charge your arms. Yeah did that

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Speaker 3: Once I stopped that, once I joined that sort of world,

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Speaker 3: I mean, So, I think that attitude there come from

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Speaker 3: So then obviously when I got down there and obviously

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And when you, like I said, when you come from

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Speaker 4: So your fe feed you, well.

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Speaker 2: Like I know that your your rivals from the Baker

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like during them days, obviously raids and like that.

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Speaker 3: It's not even as bad as it is today, but

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Speaker 3: I was hanging around, But yeah, your doors come off here.

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Speaker 3: But I kind of said it before.

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Speaker 1: Did it give you you are thinking you to say,

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Speaker 2: I said, you just brought the raids. I know from

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I go on, go, is this is fucking worth it?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like I was just over it is at times.

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Speaker 3: a night at the night club with the boys and.

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00:17:46,801 --> 00:17:49,600
Speaker 1: You forget that. Yeah, I get I get that. I

440
00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,880
Speaker 1: get that because where I go home and I go

441
00:17:52,001 --> 00:17:53,361
Speaker 1: is it worth it? And then you got I get

442
00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,041
Speaker 1: back in the cross and I go, it's forgotten.

443
00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,281
Speaker 4: That's right. It's like I was going to sure, yeah, back, sure,

444
00:17:59,681 --> 00:18:00,600
Speaker 4: it's we're back on.

445
00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:01,120
Speaker 1: Wow.

446
00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,801
Speaker 2: But how was life like? Describe that? Life like? What

447
00:18:04,921 --> 00:18:06,401
Speaker 2: was it like for you to be in that kind

448
00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,001
Speaker 2: of lifestyle?

449
00:18:07,921 --> 00:18:12,761
Speaker 4: Fast, real and just just was the power? I'm real yeah, yeah,

450
00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:13,561
Speaker 4: definitely really love it.

451
00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,161
Speaker 3: I mean back then, so you'd ride your box straight

452
00:18:16,241 --> 00:18:19,080
Speaker 3: into a well known nightclub without naming any and just

453
00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,041
Speaker 3: walk straight in. They know you are sort of thing. Yeah,

454
00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,680
Speaker 3: straight straight through, pay straight through a veil, payteation. That

455
00:18:25,801 --> 00:18:27,440
Speaker 3: sort of power gets to your head. I mean you

456
00:18:27,481 --> 00:18:28,640
Speaker 3: look at it when you're a bit older, the thing

457
00:18:28,721 --> 00:18:31,281
Speaker 3: who cares you know, all one up, you know. But

458
00:18:31,761 --> 00:18:32,921
Speaker 3: when you're when you're young.

459
00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:34,961
Speaker 1: And unplus, you've got it.

460
00:18:35,001 --> 00:18:37,120
Speaker 2: If you if you're with certain people in from your club,

461
00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,561
Speaker 2: you have to put that persona on.

462
00:18:38,681 --> 00:18:40,681
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. You got to always have that,

463
00:18:41,041 --> 00:18:41,240
Speaker 4: you know.

464
00:18:41,481 --> 00:18:42,920
Speaker 1: Even though you might want to do it.

465
00:18:43,001 --> 00:18:44,720
Speaker 2: Like sometimes when I was out with my baites, at

466
00:18:44,761 --> 00:18:45,840
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I have to put that

467
00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:46,440
Speaker 2: persona on.

468
00:18:46,521 --> 00:18:48,921
Speaker 1: I can't look like weak, you know what I mean.

469
00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,521
Speaker 3: But it's the same, well, the same thing being with

470
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,321
Speaker 3: the clubs is being in jail. You I mean, like

471
00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:56,840
Speaker 3: the doors get locked at seven thirty, they reopen at

472
00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,041
Speaker 3: seven thirty. From that twelve hours, twelve hour day, you

473
00:19:00,041 --> 00:19:02,001
Speaker 3: putting that persona on. Yeah, yeah, I mean it doesn't

474
00:19:02,001 --> 00:19:03,280
Speaker 3: matter if you're having a bad day, doesn't matter if

475
00:19:03,281 --> 00:19:04,640
Speaker 3: you had a fight with the missis on the phone.

476
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,600
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter if someone's passed away outside. You've got to

477
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,360
Speaker 3: be that person everyone thinks you are, because if you're not,

478
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 3: you let your guard down for a second.

479
00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:12,281
Speaker 4: It's the same.

480
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,441
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter in that life or in prison, it's

481
00:19:15,441 --> 00:19:17,201
Speaker 3: the same thing. You know, you let your guard down

482
00:19:17,201 --> 00:19:18,360
Speaker 3: for one second, that's enough time.

483
00:19:18,681 --> 00:19:20,720
Speaker 1: Do you think the scene from when you joined is

484
00:19:20,801 --> 00:19:22,001
Speaker 1: totally different than the.

485
00:19:21,961 --> 00:19:23,840
Speaker 3: Scene is different now obviously because of the laws and

486
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,521
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. I got a lot of

487
00:19:26,521 --> 00:19:29,080
Speaker 3: my good mates are still bikis still in that scene.

488
00:19:29,481 --> 00:19:32,041
Speaker 3: The loyalty I think is still the same. But they're

489
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 3: a group that together touch one touch all sort of thing.

490
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,640
Speaker 3: I dot nothing against anything that anyone wants to do really,

491
00:19:37,921 --> 00:19:40,441
Speaker 3: as long as doing for the right reasons. I mean,

492
00:19:40,441 --> 00:19:43,600
Speaker 3: and I'll say this is my biggest argument. Like in prison,

493
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 3: it would be one percent one and a half percent

494
00:19:46,241 --> 00:19:49,641
Speaker 3: of the prison population is bigies, you know what I mean?

495
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 4: So really how bad? What are they really doing wrong?

496
00:19:52,201 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 3: And what they do is they take their business, they

497
00:19:54,761 --> 00:19:57,561
Speaker 3: take care of is against each other not They're not

498
00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,241
Speaker 3: going to hurt a civilian down the street.

499
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:00,120
Speaker 4: And I get it.

500
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,401
Speaker 3: What the public's point of view is that things can

501
00:20:02,441 --> 00:20:04,440
Speaker 3: break out and things can happen. But I mean that

502
00:20:04,441 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 3: can happen in I mean, fully clubs go out to

503
00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,001
Speaker 3: a bar and they make up just as bad.

504
00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:09,521
Speaker 4: Yeah you know, I mean, I mean.

505
00:20:09,441 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 3: That's that phone chairs, I mean rugby like there on

506
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,201
Speaker 3: the Cross, Yeah you know, I mean they can chairs

507
00:20:14,201 --> 00:20:17,281
Speaker 3: out against froning and you know, people can't get eat.

508
00:20:17,321 --> 00:20:19,001
Speaker 2: But I think what it comes down to too is

509
00:20:19,201 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 2: in that kind of scene, one club doesn't like what

510
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,561
Speaker 2: the other club's got, So that brings a lot of

511
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,160
Speaker 2: tension towards it. Even though you might have mates in

512
00:20:27,201 --> 00:20:29,321
Speaker 2: that club. At the end of the day, why has

513
00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,440
Speaker 2: he got that power? And also why are they on

514
00:20:31,561 --> 00:20:33,041
Speaker 2: that street? Why can they go in there? We can't

515
00:20:33,041 --> 00:20:34,721
Speaker 2: go in there. Yeah, So that's what brings a lot

516
00:20:34,721 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 2: of the Yeah, I think.

517
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:36,881
Speaker 4: I think.

518
00:20:37,041 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 3: I think it's bad and good and everything. For me,

519
00:20:39,441 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 3: I'm probably of outgrown that. I've obviously got a new partner,

520
00:20:42,561 --> 00:20:45,521
Speaker 3: jas now two little kids, my son's going and now

521
00:20:45,561 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 3: he obviously went through the the mix of it. The

522
00:20:48,001 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 3: whole thing obviously is very young age. My end of

523
00:20:50,681 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 3: my boxing career then obviously went through my love with

524
00:20:54,761 --> 00:20:57,281
Speaker 3: the Bargies and then obviously Jarvis for eight years.

525
00:20:57,321 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 1: What would you do if your son said I want

526
00:20:58,681 --> 00:20:59,161
Speaker 1: to join.

527
00:20:59,241 --> 00:21:02,921
Speaker 3: If i's something I'm joining, yea, yeah, you're talking about

528
00:21:03,441 --> 00:21:05,041
Speaker 3: I think from what he's saying and from what he's

529
00:21:05,201 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 3: I'm going through, his head screwed on right. And you

530
00:21:07,441 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 3: know you're not hungry, head screwed on wrong. But just

531
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 3: I think because of upbringings and the way you've been

532
00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:17,281
Speaker 3: raised and beliefs during that time have been raised, that's

533
00:21:17,281 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 3: why you end up with them sort places.

534
00:21:19,281 --> 00:21:21,281
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what was for me. It was a brotherhood.

535
00:21:21,521 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 4: It was a family for me.

536
00:21:22,561 --> 00:21:24,521
Speaker 3: I mean, we've got a pretty decent sized family, but

537
00:21:24,561 --> 00:21:27,801
Speaker 3: it's not type family community you knows as it could be,

538
00:21:28,201 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, like, well, brothers, cousins, that's what

539
00:21:30,281 --> 00:21:32,801
Speaker 3: when you go something like that, it's the next thing.

540
00:21:32,801 --> 00:21:35,801
Speaker 3: You got one hundred more cousins and you know, and

541
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 3: then certain people you do call brother because the clubs

542
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 3: are like that doesn't matter, he's your way, the same patches. Obviously,

543
00:21:40,481 --> 00:21:44,361
Speaker 3: people closer than others each other. I mean, so you've

544
00:21:44,321 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 3: got a hundred more brothers and hundred more cousins, and then.

545
00:21:46,681 --> 00:21:49,321
Speaker 2: But what if bro, if he said to you that,

546
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 2: but Dad, you know I want to be like you.

547
00:21:50,721 --> 00:21:52,521
Speaker 2: I want to be you know, if it's good for you,

548
00:21:52,561 --> 00:21:54,681
Speaker 2: it's good for me because my son said the same

549
00:21:54,681 --> 00:21:56,641
Speaker 2: to me. And and he's only sucking.

550
00:21:56,481 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 3: Eleven yea, honestly, Sometimes, like as harsh as it is

551
00:22:02,681 --> 00:22:06,201
Speaker 3: to say, sometimes people going to learn their own fate.

552
00:22:06,681 --> 00:22:08,161
Speaker 3: So if he if he was honest and he kept

553
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,801
Speaker 3: it would be like him one of the box if

554
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,241
Speaker 3: he was boxing a bit different. Yeah, boxing is different,

555
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 3: it's a sport and that. But I'd still say that's right,

556
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 3: you can go boxing. Because he's Mum's fully against it

557
00:22:18,241 --> 00:22:20,601
Speaker 3: because he wants to bet. He's asked for a couple

558
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,561
Speaker 3: of amateur fights here in there, and I'm all for it, obviously,

559
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I'll say, you can put

560
00:22:25,961 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: the hard work in. Let's go back to the biking question.

561
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,801
Speaker 3: If he was putting the hard word on me for that,

562
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 3: I'd say, well, you know, you see what I have

563
00:22:31,721 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 3: to do. Yes, I went to ja years so if

564
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,961
Speaker 3: you can handle that, do your best, you know what

565
00:22:37,001 --> 00:22:38,721
Speaker 3: I mean. But because the end of the day, it'd

566
00:22:38,761 --> 00:22:41,681
Speaker 3: be like me going back to me at twenty eight

567
00:22:42,041 --> 00:22:43,961
Speaker 3: when I was drawing people trying.

568
00:22:43,761 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 4: To talk me out of it was never going to happen.

569
00:22:46,241 --> 00:22:48,721
Speaker 3: Yes, correct, So you either support him the best you can,

570
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 3: but with the hard word of saying, as long as

571
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 3: you can handle what comes with it, it may not

572
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 3: be maybe worse. You may see it mate die, you

573
00:22:57,001 --> 00:23:00,001
Speaker 3: might get hurt yourself or even the worst case scenario.

574
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,281
Speaker 3: So as long as you can handle that and that

575
00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 3: didn't talk about it, I mean, what.

576
00:23:04,241 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 4: Are you going to do?

577
00:23:04,721 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's how did you handle that?

578
00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 2: When you see that close friends have a you know,

579
00:23:08,801 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: get shot or pass away from something like that.

580
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: How do you handle that?

581
00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:15,721
Speaker 2: Because I've seen close friends of mine but like get

582
00:23:15,761 --> 00:23:16,161
Speaker 2: shot and.

583
00:23:16,561 --> 00:23:20,961
Speaker 4: Make it too. Yeah. So again in that last that

584
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:21,441
Speaker 4: you just.

585
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,761
Speaker 1: Put that persona on but you know it's it is

586
00:23:23,801 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: what it is.

587
00:23:24,441 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 4: It is what it is.

588
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, because it is hard because I understand that.

589
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,641
Speaker 2: It's that you can't even though you want to show emotions.

590
00:23:31,201 --> 00:23:31,801
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can't.

591
00:23:31,961 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 4: Nah, Nah, you can't.

592
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,081
Speaker 2: And then lately is on like we are now, then

593
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,801
Speaker 2: you show your emotion because you realize you should have

594
00:23:37,801 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: did it.

595
00:23:37,961 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: You should have shown that emotions.

596
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 3: And that's what that's obviously when things are things affect

597
00:23:42,201 --> 00:23:43,481
Speaker 3: you as you get older more.

598
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:43,721
Speaker 4: Than I did.

599
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:44,321
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct.

600
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,921
Speaker 3: I think when you're younger, you bush brush it off.

601
00:23:47,001 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 3: If you don't, you definitely brush it off, but you

602
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,201
Speaker 3: put it in the back of your head.

603
00:23:49,281 --> 00:23:49,481
Speaker 1: Yeah.

604
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,041
Speaker 3: Obviously, when I was in jail, I had a long

605
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: time to think. I did a lot of solitary definement too,

606
00:23:53,921 --> 00:23:56,881
Speaker 3: from making up. So when you look down with twenty

607
00:23:56,921 --> 00:23:58,321
Speaker 3: three hours a day, that's all you do. What you're

608
00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: thinking if you're not watching sugar two V shows, I

609
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,801
Speaker 3: mean you're thinking writing letters. Sometimes you even just run

610
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 3: and things to yourself. Oh really, Yeah, you may just

611
00:24:06,201 --> 00:24:08,561
Speaker 3: write and like run down your thoughts and you go

612
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: over them thoughts later and be stuff like that, you

613
00:24:11,281 --> 00:24:14,241
Speaker 3: that happened ten years earlier, but you're not thinking about

614
00:24:14,241 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 3: to now because you know yourself. In everyday life, it

615
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,961
Speaker 3: goes pretty quick. The day goes pretty quick with twenty

616
00:24:19,001 --> 00:24:22,041
Speaker 3: four hours, and it flies. So things are happening all

617
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 3: the time that you don't process. And I think when

618
00:24:24,521 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 3: you get in the situation like that where you're not

619
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: made to think of everybody, you got nothing else to do,

620
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 3: you start thinking about things that happened earlier. You start

621
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,961
Speaker 3: going over things over things, and that's what you analyze

622
00:24:33,961 --> 00:24:35,801
Speaker 3: on super things, you know, I mean, I think that's

623
00:24:35,801 --> 00:24:38,561
Speaker 3: even following me out of prison now, super little things

624
00:24:38,561 --> 00:24:42,041
Speaker 3: that you'll zone in on because you've done in there

625
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,001
Speaker 3: so then hit a nerve or you know what I mean.

626
00:24:44,521 --> 00:24:46,961
Speaker 3: So out here, like obviously before went to prison, you

627
00:24:47,041 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: said the worst thing happened to your maid or to

628
00:24:49,241 --> 00:24:51,961
Speaker 3: even to yourself or whatever, and be forgotten about within

629
00:24:51,961 --> 00:24:53,521
Speaker 3: twenty four hours. Yeah, and you back on your feet

630
00:24:53,561 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: and you know, let's go, you know what I mean.

631
00:24:55,441 --> 00:24:56,921
Speaker 3: But when you're that time to think, I think that's

632
00:24:56,921 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 3: when things kick in. What was the hardest thing you

633
00:24:59,241 --> 00:25:03,561
Speaker 3: have to go through in jail, Well, one of the

634
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: hardest things was my unkle when he passed away. So

635
00:25:06,321 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 3: I was I got down twenty two I reckon he

636
00:25:08,681 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 3: passed away twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. They said they were

637
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,361
Speaker 3: going to grant me permission to go to his funeral,

638
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 3: and then the last minute they sort of pulled the

639
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 3: pin on it. I said, oh, you can watch it

640
00:25:19,921 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: on zoom if you like, said, I'm not doing that.

641
00:25:21,761 --> 00:25:24,001
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not going to watch. They're gonna watch

642
00:25:24,001 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: Michael get buried. That's my dad's brother lindsay, that was

643
00:25:27,441 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: probably one of the hardest things because obviously everyone went

644
00:25:30,041 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: to that. Again, like I said before, that didn't hit me.

645
00:25:33,241 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 3: So in there I didn't eve feel like shed a

646
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 3: tear or nothing.

647
00:25:37,001 --> 00:25:39,161
Speaker 1: Is that because your.

648
00:25:38,321 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: Approaches you' putting that persona on, but you're not seeing

649
00:25:41,681 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 3: him as day and day out, that's right, So in

650
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 3: there you only seeing the same thing. Everyone's wearing greens,

651
00:25:47,041 --> 00:25:50,721
Speaker 3: the officers were in blue, and it becomes like you're

652
00:25:50,721 --> 00:25:52,281
Speaker 3: in the trance, you know what I mean. And so

653
00:25:52,481 --> 00:25:54,361
Speaker 3: that didn't so obviously when I got down twenty two,

654
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,561
Speaker 3: I made the visit up to Euroa, which is a

655
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,801
Speaker 3: country town in Victoria that's where the walkers are from.

656
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 3: Obviously this is a couple of years later now, and

657
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,481
Speaker 3: obviously everyone else is sort of doubt with their grief

658
00:26:05,521 --> 00:26:08,201
Speaker 3: in that you know, people still his wife who would

659
00:26:08,201 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: be still griefing.

660
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 4: And his kids that.

661
00:26:09,481 --> 00:26:12,001
Speaker 3: But I'm saying most people are doubt with their grief,

662
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 3: like go to the cemetery without crime.

663
00:26:14,201 --> 00:26:16,561
Speaker 4: And so I went up there with my partner at

664
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:16,921
Speaker 4: the time.

665
00:26:17,041 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 3: I went up there, and obviously when I first in

666
00:26:20,201 --> 00:26:21,761
Speaker 3: my aumie, that was a bit hard, but that was

667
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,961
Speaker 3: right when I first seen the graveside and the tombstone

668
00:26:25,001 --> 00:26:27,481
Speaker 3: that I break down, yung me, and it was like

669
00:26:27,561 --> 00:26:29,761
Speaker 3: weird for me. So I don't break down easy just

670
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,961
Speaker 3: over anything, you know what I mean. So that was

671
00:26:32,001 --> 00:26:34,041
Speaker 3: a shock because I didn't realize I was ever going

672
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,761
Speaker 3: to do that. That was just Yeah, that was just

673
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: my emotions taken over. I think I've missed this, but

674
00:26:38,921 --> 00:26:40,641
Speaker 3: I've missed it because of a placehol was in, because

675
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,281
Speaker 3: of something I've done, you know, I mean probably the

676
00:26:43,321 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: other hardest things, you know, I miss But your son's birthday,

677
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 3: isn't that young man?

678
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,681
Speaker 4: I mean people, you got other people.

679
00:26:48,801 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 3: I was obviously I had a son and that you mean,

680
00:26:50,441 --> 00:26:53,561
Speaker 3: so other younger blocks in there just woning about not

681
00:26:53,681 --> 00:26:54,521
Speaker 3: parting on the weekends.

682
00:26:55,721 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 4: But I was also I was sort of past that you.

683
00:26:57,481 --> 00:26:59,761
Speaker 3: I mean, and you like when you get photo sending

684
00:26:59,801 --> 00:27:02,201
Speaker 3: in of your son's first dad's school or high school,

685
00:27:02,201 --> 00:27:04,721
Speaker 3: whatever it may be. They're they're probably the hardest ones.

686
00:27:04,801 --> 00:27:06,921
Speaker 3: That was the first time you've ever been in Yeah,

687
00:27:06,961 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: that's my first sentence. Wow, okay, yes, ten with eight

688
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:10,761
Speaker 3: that was your first time.

689
00:27:11,281 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: Describe that feeling of from court to go in it

690
00:27:15,721 --> 00:27:17,041
Speaker 2: is that an empty feeling.

691
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,561
Speaker 3: Yeah, empty, feeling there. So You've run some boxing where

692
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,081
Speaker 3: I felt like I was at top of the top

693
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: of wide world. Then I went to a boy club

694
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:26,321
Speaker 3: where I felt like I was at the top of

695
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,561
Speaker 3: that world. And next year you're in the submarine which

696
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: is underneath the courts in Melbourne and they're giving you

697
00:27:32,521 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: dry biscuits for food and stale sandwiches and you stripped

698
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,561
Speaker 3: down to nothing and you were in the shitty fucking

699
00:27:38,801 --> 00:27:42,881
Speaker 3: gray clothes that probably one hundred prisons of warm before you. Yeah,

700
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: it's staying that on him. I think that's as far

701
00:27:45,521 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: as you can go from top to bottom real quick man.

702
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,481
Speaker 3: That's that's happening within twenty four hours from the jack

703
00:27:50,561 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: shop straight to the submarine and then yeah, and obviously

704
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 3: from there going through court and then again taken to

705
00:27:58,241 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 3: Melbourn Assessment Prison and then obviously just sent out to

706
00:28:00,961 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: a maximum.

707
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,681
Speaker 2: Towards your first night, like inside, were you constantly thinking

708
00:28:05,801 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: or you're just were you what was going on for

709
00:28:07,681 --> 00:28:07,961
Speaker 2: your head?

710
00:28:07,961 --> 00:28:10,521
Speaker 4: Then? Yeah, Yeah, I think it's just it's more thinking

711
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:16,001
Speaker 4: what's it's it's angry? Yeah angry? Yeah, You're not angry because.

712
00:28:16,001 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: For your disappointment. Yeah, I don't know.

713
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. It's a funny film,

714
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 4: it's a dead film, you know.

715
00:28:21,481 --> 00:28:23,081
Speaker 3: I mean, well you know the world's still going out

716
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,041
Speaker 3: there on there, but you're just how steal you don't mean?

717
00:28:26,801 --> 00:28:28,841
Speaker 3: And obviously I've always been taught you've got to pay

718
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 3: for your consequence. Lot if you do something like you

719
00:28:30,921 --> 00:28:32,281
Speaker 3: know what consequence is going to come with it. And

720
00:28:32,481 --> 00:28:34,561
Speaker 3: obviously I know that, and I knew that, so I

721
00:28:35,041 --> 00:28:37,041
Speaker 3: you know what my dad will agree on. It's I

722
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,601
Speaker 3: never tooked once during my jile sentence. I never thought

723
00:28:39,601 --> 00:28:41,841
Speaker 3: I don't want to be here. I mean obviously in

724
00:28:41,841 --> 00:28:43,321
Speaker 3: your head you think I don't want to be Could

725
00:28:43,321 --> 00:28:46,041
Speaker 3: I be doing better things? But never tooked once about it.

726
00:28:46,201 --> 00:28:47,921
Speaker 3: I think the prison system is for people A lot

727
00:28:47,961 --> 00:28:49,801
Speaker 3: A lot of people will complain about their sentence, complained

728
00:28:49,801 --> 00:28:50,041
Speaker 3: about that.

729
00:28:50,041 --> 00:28:51,161
Speaker 4: I never complained about anything.

730
00:28:51,881 --> 00:28:55,001
Speaker 3: I think that's because you know, just having that mindset of, well,

731
00:28:55,201 --> 00:28:57,481
Speaker 3: you know what's happened, you know what the end result

732
00:28:57,521 --> 00:28:57,921
Speaker 3: is going to be.

733
00:28:58,361 --> 00:28:59,641
Speaker 4: And now you're dealing with the courts.

734
00:28:59,921 --> 00:29:02,601
Speaker 3: I mean, your your life's in their hands, so it's

735
00:29:02,641 --> 00:29:04,761
Speaker 3: ever going to do in your favor, and it does

736
00:29:04,801 --> 00:29:06,721
Speaker 3: you you know what I mean, but yeah, were.

737
00:29:06,641 --> 00:29:07,441
Speaker 1: You a targeting there?

738
00:29:08,561 --> 00:29:08,601
Speaker 4: No?

739
00:29:09,201 --> 00:29:12,001
Speaker 3: So well, obviously when we're there, when in there's Bandido's

740
00:29:12,761 --> 00:29:14,321
Speaker 3: we so we sort of had our own unit, you know,

741
00:29:14,361 --> 00:29:15,241
Speaker 3: and so it was our club.

742
00:29:15,321 --> 00:29:16,201
Speaker 4: We had our own units.

743
00:29:16,241 --> 00:29:18,761
Speaker 3: And it's not back then when the office went in

744
00:29:18,761 --> 00:29:21,481
Speaker 3: there the portfolio, you you all mixed together. Anyway, there's

745
00:29:21,521 --> 00:29:23,641
Speaker 3: other three other clubs that could mix with us. I

746
00:29:23,681 --> 00:29:25,721
Speaker 3: don't think no one in particular ever a target, nless

747
00:29:25,721 --> 00:29:28,361
Speaker 3: you's done the wrong thing, unless you've done something bad

748
00:29:28,401 --> 00:29:31,801
Speaker 3: audio or shitty crime or I think no one's ever target.

749
00:29:32,241 --> 00:29:36,201
Speaker 3: But load I've said before, anyone in jail can become

750
00:29:36,201 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: a target, you know, I mean, and for the stupidest reasons,

751
00:29:38,961 --> 00:29:41,321
Speaker 3: you know. So when I say you're not a target,

752
00:29:41,361 --> 00:29:43,441
Speaker 3: you still walk around with you on your we say

753
00:29:43,601 --> 00:29:44,281
Speaker 3: there on your toes.

754
00:29:44,601 --> 00:29:46,241
Speaker 2: But when I say you could be a target, even

755
00:29:46,241 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: though I might, you might think it's of our inmates.

756
00:29:49,321 --> 00:29:51,161
Speaker 1: But what about the screws? Were that were they? Did

757
00:29:51,201 --> 00:29:51,681
Speaker 1: they target you?

758
00:29:51,761 --> 00:29:54,121
Speaker 3: And anyway to see they target your father, the red

759
00:29:54,161 --> 00:29:56,081
Speaker 3: they target you for you get a lot of attention

760
00:29:56,201 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: from them, you know what I mean, like sale raids

761
00:29:58,241 --> 00:30:02,481
Speaker 3: and yeah, urons and the intelligent unit in there is

762
00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:05,761
Speaker 3: obviously your every phone call is cant listened to, you say,

763
00:30:05,761 --> 00:30:07,281
Speaker 3: someone streaming on the phone, which is happened to me?

764
00:30:07,921 --> 00:30:09,921
Speaker 3: I mean, I joked on the phone once about a

765
00:30:10,041 --> 00:30:13,401
Speaker 3: riot after being involved at MRC rights, and I was

766
00:30:13,641 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: I was shanging on straight to Barwin twenty three hour lockdown,

767
00:30:17,001 --> 00:30:19,161
Speaker 3: command of mate, and all he said on the phone.

768
00:30:19,201 --> 00:30:21,401
Speaker 3: We both didn't even know what we said. He said

769
00:30:21,441 --> 00:30:23,321
Speaker 3: something about I think it was a birthday the next day,

770
00:30:23,361 --> 00:30:24,921
Speaker 3: or saying so. He said something about a man party

771
00:30:24,961 --> 00:30:27,641
Speaker 3: coming up. Yeah, I mean, and I've said something about

772
00:30:27,761 --> 00:30:31,161
Speaker 3: a riot. But in the conversation they took them two words.

773
00:30:31,721 --> 00:30:33,721
Speaker 3: They think they put the two together. They come and

774
00:30:33,761 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: go to the five to three in the morning out

775
00:30:34,961 --> 00:30:38,361
Speaker 3: of our house, Bang Margaine, which is a nice good jo,

776
00:30:38,521 --> 00:30:40,921
Speaker 3: good food, good everything. We're gone banging straight back to

777
00:30:40,961 --> 00:30:42,841
Speaker 3: the straight, back to the start, straight at Barwin twenty

778
00:30:42,881 --> 00:30:46,121
Speaker 3: three hour lockdown, just over them two words and we're

779
00:30:46,161 --> 00:30:48,161
Speaker 3: actually sitting there was the first time we'd actually been slaughtered,

780
00:30:48,201 --> 00:30:49,121
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, what have we done?

781
00:30:49,601 --> 00:30:52,001
Speaker 4: And he saying, what did you do? What did you do?

782
00:30:52,401 --> 00:30:53,641
Speaker 4: He said, no clue, no clue.

783
00:30:53,681 --> 00:30:56,601
Speaker 3: Probably for at least a good three weeks because they

784
00:30:56,681 --> 00:30:59,961
Speaker 3: got the Center Management Unit, they come down and see her. ORMU,

785
00:31:00,961 --> 00:31:03,041
Speaker 3: they come down and see her, and they obviously go through.

786
00:31:03,081 --> 00:31:05,641
Speaker 3: So that seems like twice. And I'm saying, name they

787
00:31:05,681 --> 00:31:07,041
Speaker 3: tell you what we're for is no. They tell you

788
00:31:07,281 --> 00:31:09,481
Speaker 3: no because they want you to. They want you to

789
00:31:10,001 --> 00:31:11,721
Speaker 3: say what you've done? Well, we actually do, you know,

790
00:31:11,841 --> 00:31:14,201
Speaker 3: we don't. And they even asked me about phone calls

791
00:31:14,241 --> 00:31:16,041
Speaker 3: you made. I said, well, who am I making phone

792
00:31:16,041 --> 00:31:17,761
Speaker 3: calls to you? I mean, I'm thinking, what are they?

793
00:31:17,801 --> 00:31:19,801
Speaker 3: What are they talking about? But that's what ended up being.

794
00:31:20,081 --> 00:31:22,721
Speaker 3: I said something about it, right, it was someone something

795
00:31:22,721 --> 00:31:24,481
Speaker 3: I can't remember. I can't remember what things on the

796
00:31:24,521 --> 00:31:26,161
Speaker 3: phone when someone was talking about something outside, I go,

797
00:31:26,201 --> 00:31:28,601
Speaker 3: they should right, I mean, then he said that, and

798
00:31:28,601 --> 00:31:31,161
Speaker 3: they've taken into these two words. And we were mates

799
00:31:31,801 --> 00:31:33,961
Speaker 3: and always together because you know he's done with five

800
00:31:34,001 --> 00:31:36,321
Speaker 3: eights in there. Yeah, just them two words because we

801
00:31:36,321 --> 00:31:37,721
Speaker 3: said it both at the same time, not at the

802
00:31:37,721 --> 00:31:40,161
Speaker 3: same time, but the same day and uh yeah, just

803
00:31:40,321 --> 00:31:42,641
Speaker 3: in two words, five through the morning, bang, twenty screws

804
00:31:42,681 --> 00:31:44,921
Speaker 3: come and go us through the dogs and on what.

805
00:31:45,001 --> 00:31:46,481
Speaker 1: Were the facilities like in there? Like?

806
00:31:46,561 --> 00:31:47,121
Speaker 4: What was it was?

807
00:31:47,161 --> 00:31:48,641
Speaker 1: It as bad as they say it is, or because

808
00:31:48,681 --> 00:31:49,921
Speaker 1: you say that the food was good in one of them.

809
00:31:49,961 --> 00:31:51,801
Speaker 3: But yeah, so that was money. When I said the

810
00:31:51,801 --> 00:31:53,241
Speaker 3: food was good, that was money. But then we go

811
00:31:53,401 --> 00:31:56,321
Speaker 3: to say so I started off at the Malin Assessment Prison.

812
00:31:57,121 --> 00:32:00,281
Speaker 3: That's just like big dishes of dirty soup and that's

813
00:32:00,361 --> 00:32:02,281
Speaker 3: all you saw eating with a bit of potato put

814
00:32:02,361 --> 00:32:02,681
Speaker 3: on top.

815
00:32:03,081 --> 00:32:05,641
Speaker 4: That's every day a bit of stale bread. So yeah,

816
00:32:05,641 --> 00:32:07,041
Speaker 4: that's pretty bad. Then you go to Mr C.

817
00:32:07,761 --> 00:32:09,361
Speaker 3: Doesn't really get better. It's the same sort of thing.

818
00:32:09,441 --> 00:32:12,201
Speaker 3: Then then you go Paul Phillip. So poor Phillip prison

819
00:32:12,441 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: probably owned. It'd be one of the worst obviously I've

820
00:32:15,721 --> 00:32:19,561
Speaker 3: seen during my time. But even like people that had

821
00:32:19,601 --> 00:32:22,921
Speaker 3: done time before me, older heads in there, they reckon

822
00:32:22,961 --> 00:32:25,921
Speaker 3: it's the worst. It's the worst, the worst you and back.

823
00:32:25,961 --> 00:32:28,961
Speaker 3: Then you're going back to units that units were held

824
00:32:28,961 --> 00:32:31,321
Speaker 3: one hundred people in the unit. There's not one camera

825
00:32:31,361 --> 00:32:34,201
Speaker 3: in the unit. They'd have a camera above the screws box,

826
00:32:35,161 --> 00:32:38,161
Speaker 3: obviously protecting them, but there's no cameras in the units.

827
00:32:38,201 --> 00:32:40,121
Speaker 3: So I mean, you could do whatever you want. Now

828
00:32:40,201 --> 00:32:42,681
Speaker 3: it's all changed because a lot of poor Phillips. That's

829
00:32:42,721 --> 00:32:45,241
Speaker 3: what por Filips closing down this year. But because of

830
00:32:45,321 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: everything that's happened there and been probably owned the get

831
00:32:48,281 --> 00:32:49,401
Speaker 3: away a lot more yummy.

832
00:32:49,481 --> 00:32:53,801
Speaker 2: Yeah, rewind them back to before you went into prison,

833
00:32:53,881 --> 00:32:55,281
Speaker 2: to the situation why you went in.

834
00:32:56,041 --> 00:32:57,521
Speaker 1: Did you know the game before before?

835
00:32:57,521 --> 00:32:59,961
Speaker 2: Because I've only looked up because there's a lot you

836
00:33:00,041 --> 00:33:03,001
Speaker 2: can't get on on Google and I couldn't find anything.

837
00:33:03,241 --> 00:33:03,441
Speaker 1: Yeah.

838
00:33:03,521 --> 00:33:06,601
Speaker 2: No, So this is because all I could see that

839
00:33:06,681 --> 00:33:08,361
Speaker 2: he said something to your dog date.

840
00:33:08,761 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: Yes, Heid, I wanted to clarify because I mean, obviously

841
00:33:11,921 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: earlier podcasts that I'd done when I got out had

842
00:33:14,321 --> 00:33:16,881
Speaker 3: to be careful. Say I was still under prior which

843
00:33:16,921 --> 00:33:20,481
Speaker 3: is still under a jail sentence, and it's no disrespect

844
00:33:20,521 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: to his family. But the bloke there that was at

845
00:33:23,761 --> 00:33:26,321
Speaker 3: the end of that assault, I can honestly say we

846
00:33:26,441 --> 00:33:28,881
Speaker 3: knew nothing of him. He was known to the club,

847
00:33:29,401 --> 00:33:31,921
Speaker 3: He was known to members of the club. But yeah,

848
00:33:32,041 --> 00:33:35,761
Speaker 3: what do he come there demanding? And I won't go

849
00:33:35,841 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: into that, but he come there on his own, obviously

850
00:33:38,841 --> 00:33:41,401
Speaker 3: intoxicated a part up the road which he'd been drinking,

851
00:33:41,601 --> 00:33:45,281
Speaker 3: which which I mean, that's it's quite obvious that we stated.

852
00:33:45,361 --> 00:33:47,241
Speaker 4: But what was stayed in the media and what was

853
00:33:47,281 --> 00:33:49,321
Speaker 4: real life. I mean the abuse of the dog.

854
00:33:49,841 --> 00:33:53,041
Speaker 3: He's only attracted us to his attention or his attention

855
00:33:53,161 --> 00:33:55,841
Speaker 3: outside I have with people tied up at the front,

856
00:33:55,921 --> 00:33:57,921
Speaker 3: which is my dog. But when I go I would

857
00:33:57,961 --> 00:33:59,881
Speaker 3: leave him at the front, so he's at the front.

858
00:33:59,921 --> 00:34:02,281
Speaker 3: That took us to him and then he obviously coming

859
00:34:02,281 --> 00:34:03,841
Speaker 3: inside with demands and all this sort of stuff, and

860
00:34:04,241 --> 00:34:06,121
Speaker 3: that I means got out of handy mean.

861
00:34:07,361 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: Like this, this is probably a silly question to ask,

862
00:34:10,041 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: but do you regret that?

863
00:34:12,801 --> 00:34:14,081
Speaker 4: Well? I think if I think it.

864
00:34:14,161 --> 00:34:16,601
Speaker 1: Would because of the situation. You know what you got,

865
00:34:16,801 --> 00:34:18,641
Speaker 1: As you said, you've got to live with your consequence

866
00:34:18,681 --> 00:34:18,961
Speaker 1: what you do.

867
00:34:19,161 --> 00:34:20,241
Speaker 4: There was there was only three of.

868
00:34:20,281 --> 00:34:22,401
Speaker 3: Us, Like my cur he stayed sold with me, I

869
00:34:22,481 --> 00:34:25,441
Speaker 3: stayed sold with him. One col he didn't. I mean,

870
00:34:25,761 --> 00:34:27,881
Speaker 3: you say, do you regret it?

871
00:34:27,961 --> 00:34:29,041
Speaker 4: Like you know what?

872
00:34:29,761 --> 00:34:32,161
Speaker 3: All three of us, the bad one that didn't stay

873
00:34:32,241 --> 00:34:34,481
Speaker 3: good you probably all three of us regretting being there

874
00:34:34,481 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: that day. We didn't have to be there, well there,

875
00:34:36,401 --> 00:34:38,641
Speaker 3: we weren't there for any special reason. Were actually meant

876
00:34:38,681 --> 00:34:41,001
Speaker 3: to go on. We're actually going for a ride, three

877
00:34:41,041 --> 00:34:42,961
Speaker 3: of us, so we all met there because it was new.

878
00:34:43,041 --> 00:34:46,321
Speaker 3: It was neutral for where we all lived. I mean,

879
00:34:46,401 --> 00:34:48,401
Speaker 3: do you agree your actions of losing eight years of

880
00:34:48,481 --> 00:34:50,801
Speaker 3: your life, yea, one hundred. But it was one of

881
00:34:50,841 --> 00:34:53,121
Speaker 3: them things that I think it was just bad like

882
00:34:53,521 --> 00:34:55,681
Speaker 3: it was bad like at the time of us being there,

883
00:34:55,961 --> 00:34:57,881
Speaker 3: bad like that because he could have banged on that

884
00:34:58,001 --> 00:34:59,681
Speaker 3: door any other Sat day at that time and no

885
00:34:59,681 --> 00:35:00,401
Speaker 3: one would have been there.

886
00:35:00,521 --> 00:35:02,001
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and.

887
00:35:02,081 --> 00:35:04,321
Speaker 3: Demanding what he demanded, and just things that took place

888
00:35:05,281 --> 00:35:08,001
Speaker 3: in the clubhouse after and things that took place in

889
00:35:08,041 --> 00:35:10,201
Speaker 3: the clubhouse. Half that I'm not going to say I

890
00:35:10,241 --> 00:35:12,121
Speaker 3: regret it because I'm running blokes, and I don't want

891
00:35:12,121 --> 00:35:14,041
Speaker 3: to say I regret anything. Otherwise you live with regrets.

892
00:35:14,521 --> 00:35:16,921
Speaker 3: It makes it makes things a bit hard. But yeah,

893
00:35:17,041 --> 00:35:20,321
Speaker 3: obviously that's not what it was. Definitely wasn't planned. But

894
00:35:20,681 --> 00:35:22,481
Speaker 3: the worst part about it was planning on his end.

895
00:35:23,041 --> 00:35:25,881
Speaker 3: He walked past the band at the clubhouse, so I

896
00:35:25,961 --> 00:35:27,801
Speaker 3: got to chat with these bugs and then obviously it

897
00:35:27,921 --> 00:35:30,481
Speaker 3: just turned out bad that day. But I'm not going

898
00:35:30,521 --> 00:35:32,841
Speaker 3: to say I regret it, because if so, I mean,

899
00:35:33,121 --> 00:35:34,841
Speaker 3: but I said to people, if someone come to my

900
00:35:34,921 --> 00:35:37,321
Speaker 3: house with the same demands to my family house and

901
00:35:37,761 --> 00:35:40,481
Speaker 3: protect my partner and the kids. I mean, I could

902
00:35:40,481 --> 00:35:43,241
Speaker 3: say it and of the same way, what.

903
00:35:43,441 --> 00:35:45,321
Speaker 2: Made you change your mind while you were in jail

904
00:35:45,361 --> 00:35:47,601
Speaker 2: that when you came out to get out the whole thing.

905
00:35:49,361 --> 00:35:52,641
Speaker 2: It was it was more decision of that's a big

906
00:35:52,681 --> 00:35:55,921
Speaker 2: decision from you. It was a big decision, and it

907
00:35:56,081 --> 00:35:58,441
Speaker 2: was more that more come from.

908
00:35:59,761 --> 00:36:03,361
Speaker 3: The personality that at the time had a few conflicts

909
00:36:04,241 --> 00:36:08,961
Speaker 3: with people there that couldn't be sorted and I was

910
00:36:09,041 --> 00:36:11,641
Speaker 3: sort of at that time there was a couple of

911
00:36:11,681 --> 00:36:15,281
Speaker 3: people out here with that club that I didn't say

912
00:36:15,321 --> 00:36:15,841
Speaker 3: I was.

913
00:36:15,921 --> 00:36:17,481
Speaker 4: I didn't see the things they were doing.

914
00:36:18,161 --> 00:36:21,041
Speaker 3: The worst thing of that outcome is I pulled the

915
00:36:21,121 --> 00:36:23,801
Speaker 3: pin and then them two blokes left three months later.

916
00:36:24,481 --> 00:36:25,881
Speaker 3: And that ain't been there for a couple of years,

917
00:36:25,881 --> 00:36:27,041
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I mean I was going to

918
00:36:27,481 --> 00:36:28,761
Speaker 3: at the time I was, I was going in the

919
00:36:28,841 --> 00:36:31,201
Speaker 3: ten years I've been in the same position.

920
00:36:31,761 --> 00:36:32,921
Speaker 1: It was a hard decision to make.

921
00:36:33,681 --> 00:36:38,041
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, definitely hard decision. I mean, you know, despite

922
00:36:38,121 --> 00:36:39,241
Speaker 3: all the because you.

923
00:36:39,281 --> 00:36:40,841
Speaker 2: Get you because you kind of like we I wouldn't

924
00:36:40,841 --> 00:36:42,361
Speaker 2: say you gave up your boxing for it, but you've

925
00:36:42,601 --> 00:36:44,521
Speaker 2: you've gone from boxing where you were on the high,

926
00:36:44,521 --> 00:36:47,481
Speaker 2: as you said, then you've gone to the club and you've.

927
00:36:47,441 --> 00:36:48,761
Speaker 1: You've worked your way up.

928
00:36:49,161 --> 00:36:51,321
Speaker 2: Maybe it didn't work all too much because you wanted

929
00:36:51,361 --> 00:36:53,481
Speaker 2: to you know, you were ware where what you yet

930
00:36:53,521 --> 00:36:55,881
Speaker 2: from the being sergeant arms. But then to give that

931
00:36:56,041 --> 00:36:58,761
Speaker 2: up and then go into a new chapter, you know

932
00:36:58,761 --> 00:37:00,881
Speaker 2: what I mean, Especially you know in your life at

933
00:37:00,921 --> 00:37:03,041
Speaker 2: that time, you know you're thinking, you know, I've got

934
00:37:03,041 --> 00:37:05,881
Speaker 2: anything what I need here, Yeah, but also then you're

935
00:37:05,881 --> 00:37:07,641
Speaker 2: thinking about family and also this this.

936
00:37:08,201 --> 00:37:08,961
Speaker 4: Were a backslip.

937
00:37:09,041 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: So like now, in hindsight, say that time obviously pulled

938
00:37:11,561 --> 00:37:15,601
Speaker 3: the pin for certain reasons. And then obviously before I

939
00:37:15,641 --> 00:37:17,401
Speaker 3: was getting out, I had a good opportunity to get

940
00:37:17,441 --> 00:37:20,521
Speaker 3: on with the c from you as a delegate. And

941
00:37:20,601 --> 00:37:23,601
Speaker 3: obviously saying that just for critics out there, they're going

942
00:37:23,641 --> 00:37:25,321
Speaker 3: to jump on and say something. I was a fitter

943
00:37:25,361 --> 00:37:27,481
Speaker 3: and turner by trade before I went in, irely done

944
00:37:27,481 --> 00:37:29,721
Speaker 3: my FID internal apprenticeship. I knew my way around a

945
00:37:30,041 --> 00:37:36,121
Speaker 3: building side just before about this, so obviously I had

946
00:37:36,161 --> 00:37:38,441
Speaker 3: that opportunity. So when I got out of that was

947
00:37:38,481 --> 00:37:41,081
Speaker 3: all rosy because obviously I went straight into that. But

948
00:37:41,201 --> 00:37:44,201
Speaker 3: then obviously the hand I was out doing my job,

949
00:37:44,361 --> 00:37:47,281
Speaker 3: doing everything right. The hand I was out was being

950
00:37:47,281 --> 00:37:49,721
Speaker 3: an ex biky. So you look in hindsight, would it

951
00:37:49,761 --> 00:37:51,121
Speaker 3: really matter if I got out of bike or not?

952
00:37:51,801 --> 00:37:54,361
Speaker 3: With the attention I got anyway? And with everything they

953
00:37:54,401 --> 00:37:56,801
Speaker 3: come after that, he's next bike. He shouldn't be working

954
00:37:56,801 --> 00:37:59,041
Speaker 3: on building sides. He shouldn't be in control, he shouldn't

955
00:37:59,081 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: have a job with that sort of power. And that's

956
00:38:02,441 --> 00:38:05,281
Speaker 3: been X bigy, So maybe it should just stay, you

957
00:38:05,321 --> 00:38:07,961
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. You start, you start thinking, like

958
00:38:08,081 --> 00:38:10,761
Speaker 3: you said, I was out, it's something that I loved

959
00:38:11,481 --> 00:38:13,241
Speaker 3: as in for the brotherhood and all that sort of stuff,

960
00:38:13,521 --> 00:38:16,281
Speaker 3: and I loved all my brothers the same. And then

961
00:38:16,361 --> 00:38:18,881
Speaker 3: you sort of whatever dispute with a couple of members

962
00:38:19,121 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: that didn't work out. And when I say a couple members,

963
00:38:21,561 --> 00:38:24,321
Speaker 3: I actually think I'm talking about two members of Melbourne.

964
00:38:24,681 --> 00:38:26,441
Speaker 3: I still love the rest of the boys around Australia.

965
00:38:27,201 --> 00:38:28,681
Speaker 3: And then you get out and you think, you know what,

966
00:38:28,921 --> 00:38:30,281
Speaker 3: I'll have a good crack at this, because that's what

967
00:38:30,401 --> 00:38:32,041
Speaker 3: Prole and the government tell you while you're in there.

968
00:38:32,561 --> 00:38:34,001
Speaker 4: The Prole is a government body.

969
00:38:34,521 --> 00:38:35,921
Speaker 3: So I get out and start working for this thing,

970
00:38:35,921 --> 00:38:38,281
Speaker 3: and then the government, other government body comes in and

971
00:38:38,361 --> 00:38:40,361
Speaker 3: says you can't work on these job side going well,

972
00:38:40,361 --> 00:38:43,281
Speaker 3: because you're an ex pikey and you've done jail, so

973
00:38:43,561 --> 00:38:47,121
Speaker 3: all these lies I tell you during prole and you

974
00:38:47,161 --> 00:38:49,841
Speaker 3: can turn your life around. They really put mutter on

975
00:38:50,001 --> 00:38:52,681
Speaker 3: everyone's face that ever said that to us in prison

976
00:38:53,281 --> 00:38:55,361
Speaker 3: because I got out and well, I've done that. Not

977
00:38:55,481 --> 00:38:57,241
Speaker 3: for that, I wouldn't say for my job at the start,

978
00:38:57,321 --> 00:38:59,361
Speaker 3: I left it. And then obviously that was the opportunity

979
00:38:59,401 --> 00:39:01,161
Speaker 3: that I got because I had left it to go

980
00:39:01,281 --> 00:39:03,161
Speaker 3: into that sort of role, and then went into that

981
00:39:03,321 --> 00:39:07,321
Speaker 3: role and got asked because because of my past. So

982
00:39:07,961 --> 00:39:10,041
Speaker 3: I mean, I look at it now with the business

983
00:39:10,121 --> 00:39:13,681
Speaker 3: I'm standing today, what would really change was a book anyway.

984
00:39:14,201 --> 00:39:16,761
Speaker 3: I mean, people I've done podcasts before, well try to

985
00:39:16,801 --> 00:39:19,841
Speaker 3: deter people away. But I'm actually starting to believe, like, well,

986
00:39:20,161 --> 00:39:22,161
Speaker 3: not that you no, I'm making a move back on

987
00:39:22,161 --> 00:39:24,201
Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, but I'm starting to believe that

988
00:39:25,401 --> 00:39:28,441
Speaker 3: we get on, we get on these sort of platforms

989
00:39:28,521 --> 00:39:32,721
Speaker 3: here and we preach certain things, but then the government

990
00:39:32,721 --> 00:39:35,081
Speaker 3: will turn around and do something completely different, and you

991
00:39:35,161 --> 00:39:36,841
Speaker 3: start thinking, well, I'm not gonna say I'm not going

992
00:39:36,881 --> 00:39:39,041
Speaker 3: to I'm gonna be careful preaching that now, because the

993
00:39:39,081 --> 00:39:41,681
Speaker 3: next blog I've preached that should go working construction side

994
00:39:42,121 --> 00:39:44,601
Speaker 3: that's got a bad rap sheet, he might get asked

995
00:39:44,601 --> 00:39:46,361
Speaker 3: too and he'd be like, you know, Johnny walk is

996
00:39:46,401 --> 00:39:46,801
Speaker 3: full of shit.

997
00:39:48,641 --> 00:39:52,481
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we were also the interview that you did

998
00:39:52,521 --> 00:39:56,241
Speaker 2: in sixty minutes. Yeah, it's saying it's you know, there's

999
00:39:56,281 --> 00:39:58,601
Speaker 2: good media and bad media that you've got. But the

1000
00:39:58,681 --> 00:40:01,121
Speaker 2: thing is that the insight was and this is what

1001
00:40:01,321 --> 00:40:03,161
Speaker 2: I tried to get from what the guy who was

1002
00:40:03,201 --> 00:40:06,001
Speaker 2: interviewing on sixty minutes to you trying to push that

1003
00:40:06,161 --> 00:40:10,681
Speaker 2: he reckons the construction business is run by Underworld and

1004
00:40:10,801 --> 00:40:11,081
Speaker 2: it's not.

1005
00:40:11,441 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: No, that's complete lies and that I mean, I I'll

1006
00:40:14,041 --> 00:40:15,881
Speaker 3: name him because I don't like him by Nick McKenzie.

1007
00:40:16,241 --> 00:40:18,081
Speaker 3: I don't like him at all, you know, I mean,

1008
00:40:18,241 --> 00:40:21,001
Speaker 3: he's every story does he's trying to destroy someone, you know,

1009
00:40:21,081 --> 00:40:23,121
Speaker 3: I mean he did Roberts, you know.

1010
00:40:24,081 --> 00:40:25,721
Speaker 4: To me, he's just a maggot of a blow.

1011
00:40:25,881 --> 00:40:27,801
Speaker 3: And I've told him plenty of times to his face

1012
00:40:27,961 --> 00:40:30,761
Speaker 3: on the phone that even though he got me back

1013
00:40:30,801 --> 00:40:32,161
Speaker 3: on there to do mine, he left a lot of

1014
00:40:32,201 --> 00:40:33,481
Speaker 3: stuff out that you shouldn't have.

1015
00:40:34,241 --> 00:40:35,761
Speaker 1: Well, that's because it makes him look better.

1016
00:40:35,801 --> 00:40:37,721
Speaker 3: The key key things that I've been on there for,

1017
00:40:38,081 --> 00:40:40,881
Speaker 3: I mean, the main mast got across. But one thing

1018
00:40:40,881 --> 00:40:43,081
Speaker 3: I want to clar from that interview that obviously I

1019
00:40:43,681 --> 00:40:45,281
Speaker 3: gave John Secord a bit of a spray on that

1020
00:40:46,281 --> 00:40:49,601
Speaker 3: named him on that. But John, as the man he was,

1021
00:40:49,681 --> 00:40:51,161
Speaker 3: and as a man I thought he was, he reached

1022
00:40:51,201 --> 00:40:52,961
Speaker 3: out to me and we had we had sit down.

1023
00:40:52,961 --> 00:40:54,481
Speaker 3: We had a coffee for two hours one day and

1024
00:40:54,521 --> 00:40:58,681
Speaker 3: we spoke. And I don't go off usually people what

1025
00:40:58,761 --> 00:41:01,161
Speaker 3: they say face to face less man everything he said.

1026
00:41:01,681 --> 00:41:04,361
Speaker 4: You remember, he left before I was asked, before I

1027
00:41:04,441 --> 00:41:05,321
Speaker 4: was five.

1028
00:41:06,601 --> 00:41:09,081
Speaker 3: There was other people, other key players that were still

1029
00:41:09,121 --> 00:41:12,121
Speaker 3: in there after him that probably did the wrong thing.

1030
00:41:12,161 --> 00:41:14,841
Speaker 3: Without naming them, they did the wrong thing to save himself.

1031
00:41:15,361 --> 00:41:18,001
Speaker 3: Because I thought, well, we'll dangle Johnny Walker's name in

1032
00:41:18,041 --> 00:41:20,281
Speaker 3: front of the government and say how do we get

1033
00:41:20,321 --> 00:41:22,401
Speaker 3: rid of him? He's not going to say to us now,

1034
00:41:22,401 --> 00:41:24,001
Speaker 3: and obviously the governments was and to say, yea yeah,

1035
00:41:24,081 --> 00:41:26,161
Speaker 3: do that. And then obviously two weeks later they got

1036
00:41:26,201 --> 00:41:30,601
Speaker 3: asked anyway. But the sixty minute thing that it's done

1037
00:41:30,681 --> 00:41:32,801
Speaker 3: good in one way and bound another. So obviously my

1038
00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:36,081
Speaker 3: name's out there now at the point where how does.

1039
00:41:36,041 --> 00:41:37,521
Speaker 2: That put you as more of a target now as

1040
00:41:37,561 --> 00:41:39,161
Speaker 2: if you go into if you want to go back

1041
00:41:39,201 --> 00:41:39,521
Speaker 2: into do.

1042
00:41:39,601 --> 00:41:42,281
Speaker 3: It well the way we stand at the moment, I'm

1043
00:41:42,321 --> 00:41:44,561
Speaker 3: not going to say it's impossible, but it's it's newly

1044
00:41:45,521 --> 00:41:47,921
Speaker 3: for me to go. And I obviously the job I

1045
00:41:48,041 --> 00:41:49,841
Speaker 3: was doing, and I was pretty good at my job,

1046
00:41:49,881 --> 00:41:52,761
Speaker 3: where I'd help out every label high company the best

1047
00:41:52,801 --> 00:41:57,601
Speaker 3: I could without no wrongdoing, like fair work, getting work.

1048
00:41:57,961 --> 00:42:01,001
Speaker 3: You know, people on shifts, blokes would ring me for jobs.

1049
00:42:01,001 --> 00:42:02,481
Speaker 3: I'd get them, put them on the right label HIG

1050
00:42:02,481 --> 00:42:02,881
Speaker 3: companies that I.

1051
00:42:02,921 --> 00:42:03,641
Speaker 4: Was looking for workers.

1052
00:42:04,121 --> 00:42:06,081
Speaker 3: So I'm pretty friendly of these labor high companies and

1053
00:42:06,201 --> 00:42:08,681
Speaker 3: even me myself in the position I was right now

1054
00:42:08,761 --> 00:42:11,121
Speaker 3: today I can't get a job because no one wants

1055
00:42:11,161 --> 00:42:11,561
Speaker 3: to put me on.

1056
00:42:11,921 --> 00:42:13,361
Speaker 4: They're all afraid of someone like this.

1057
00:42:13,441 --> 00:42:16,641
Speaker 3: Nick McKenzie, come along with the stupid little camera taking

1058
00:42:16,641 --> 00:42:18,281
Speaker 3: photos of me on side. Next minu there will be

1059
00:42:18,281 --> 00:42:19,761
Speaker 3: another blow up in the paper because you've got nothing

1060
00:42:19,801 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: else to write about.

1061
00:42:20,921 --> 00:42:22,881
Speaker 4: Then I'm back on the building side. You know you're

1062
00:42:22,881 --> 00:42:23,841
Speaker 4: got to see it from your side.

1063
00:42:23,881 --> 00:42:26,041
Speaker 3: Just over the rodeo, you get a pharto of me

1064
00:42:26,121 --> 00:42:28,481
Speaker 3: having lunch with some sort of labor high coming on

1065
00:42:28,841 --> 00:42:31,121
Speaker 3: next minute, the labor high, and I get where they're

1066
00:42:31,121 --> 00:42:33,281
Speaker 3: coming from. I'm not dirty at them. My hanger is

1067
00:42:33,281 --> 00:42:35,921
Speaker 3: all directed at the government because this is so what's

1068
00:42:35,921 --> 00:42:38,521
Speaker 3: your next angle? And to get to do this well.

1069
00:42:39,441 --> 00:42:42,241
Speaker 3: My partner Jess, and she's done awful mix on she

1070
00:42:42,361 --> 00:42:49,281
Speaker 3: with emails, but she's We've gone to just In Allen,

1071
00:42:49,521 --> 00:42:54,121
Speaker 3: to Vita, who control their body ahead, body over the

1072
00:42:54,201 --> 00:42:55,681
Speaker 3: construction all the unions together.

1073
00:42:55,801 --> 00:42:56,001
Speaker 4: Vita.

1074
00:42:56,681 --> 00:42:58,761
Speaker 3: We've got let it back from Vida just In Allen's

1075
00:42:58,801 --> 00:43:02,401
Speaker 3: office saying that I'm not unable to work on these

1076
00:43:02,761 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: big bill jobs.

1077
00:43:03,721 --> 00:43:04,201
Speaker 4: And I am.

1078
00:43:04,441 --> 00:43:07,121
Speaker 3: And I've got paperwork. I've got the signed paperwork saying

1079
00:43:07,121 --> 00:43:09,201
Speaker 3: that I can work and these people build jobs. So

1080
00:43:09,321 --> 00:43:11,521
Speaker 3: now I've got that paperwork. But now the problem is,

1081
00:43:11,601 --> 00:43:14,401
Speaker 3: like as I said before, these label companies which are

1082
00:43:14,841 --> 00:43:17,601
Speaker 3: running off they're running off contracts, so they're scared. We

1083
00:43:17,641 --> 00:43:19,481
Speaker 3: put Johnny Walker on next week, they lose their mooion

1084
00:43:19,481 --> 00:43:22,401
Speaker 3: in the old contract because someone in the union office

1085
00:43:22,441 --> 00:43:25,481
Speaker 3: or in the government or someone in both is shaking

1086
00:43:25,521 --> 00:43:27,561
Speaker 3: hands together that don't want me there, you know what

1087
00:43:27,601 --> 00:43:31,761
Speaker 3: I mean. So I mean they when they talk about corruption,

1088
00:43:32,321 --> 00:43:34,121
Speaker 3: I mean the union was running fine for when John.

1089
00:43:34,281 --> 00:43:36,281
Speaker 3: When John was the head of the union, the union

1090
00:43:36,401 --> 00:43:39,401
Speaker 3: was strong. Everyone had jobs. There wasn't people crying out

1091
00:43:39,441 --> 00:43:42,881
Speaker 3: for jobs. It was booming. So to say that he

1092
00:43:43,001 --> 00:43:45,401
Speaker 3: was doing wrong or the underweel was running it, we

1093
00:43:45,521 --> 00:43:47,681
Speaker 3: know it's not true. You know it's not true. But

1094
00:43:47,761 --> 00:43:49,201
Speaker 3: if it was true, that I've been doing a better job,

1095
00:43:49,241 --> 00:43:52,241
Speaker 3: because right now people can't get jobs if I reached

1096
00:43:52,241 --> 00:43:54,521
Speaker 3: out to or even mates reach out, mates are reaching

1097
00:43:54,561 --> 00:43:57,001
Speaker 3: out to other label they can't get on. The work's

1098
00:43:57,041 --> 00:43:58,721
Speaker 3: not drying up, but now they're being selected to who

1099
00:43:58,761 --> 00:44:02,001
Speaker 3: they put on. Where the union was always for. I'm

1100
00:44:02,041 --> 00:44:03,521
Speaker 3: not going to say it for people like myself because

1101
00:44:03,521 --> 00:44:05,681
Speaker 3: it's pieple worse off than me. But people that have

1102
00:44:05,801 --> 00:44:09,961
Speaker 3: had been hard done by somehow marriage, breakdown, jail sentence, whatever,

1103
00:44:10,641 --> 00:44:12,761
Speaker 3: didn't have a union degree, but they could come out

1104
00:44:12,881 --> 00:44:15,081
Speaker 3: and get into a good paying job to support their

1105
00:44:15,161 --> 00:44:17,441
Speaker 3: family and then be a good member of the community.

1106
00:44:18,041 --> 00:44:19,921
Speaker 3: But now what they're doing, what they've done to me,

1107
00:44:20,081 --> 00:44:21,561
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying this is going to happen to me,

1108
00:44:21,641 --> 00:44:23,801
Speaker 3: but it could happen to people like me getting out

1109
00:44:23,801 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: of prison. Now they show their rapture and they're like, no, no, sorry,

1110
00:44:27,081 --> 00:44:29,721
Speaker 3: because you're next bike, you've done jail, we can't give

1111
00:44:29,721 --> 00:44:32,001
Speaker 3: you a job on this construction site. I mean you

1112
00:44:32,081 --> 00:44:34,041
Speaker 3: were in dirty overrules and you put in a few

1113
00:44:34,321 --> 00:44:36,801
Speaker 3: wooden batters up. I mean it shouldn't be if you

1114
00:44:36,881 --> 00:44:39,561
Speaker 3: good at your job, if you try these people who

1115
00:44:39,601 --> 00:44:41,561
Speaker 3: trades in that, they won't put them on now because

1116
00:44:41,561 --> 00:44:44,721
Speaker 3: of their criminal history or their connections. So what are

1117
00:44:44,761 --> 00:44:47,201
Speaker 3: they people going to do? So the government shoots themselves

1118
00:44:47,201 --> 00:44:48,641
Speaker 3: from the foot. But then you start believing what the

1119
00:44:48,681 --> 00:44:51,481
Speaker 3: people say. But this rotating doors in prisons where they

1120
00:44:51,481 --> 00:44:53,961
Speaker 3: want you in prison, you start I actually hear this

1121
00:44:54,001 --> 00:44:56,521
Speaker 3: at the time when I was in jail, where you know,

1122
00:44:56,641 --> 00:44:58,281
Speaker 3: old jail head would say they want us in here,

1123
00:44:58,321 --> 00:45:00,681
Speaker 3: they want us in here, and I was thinking, you

1124
00:45:00,721 --> 00:45:02,601
Speaker 3: can't want us in here. I mean, but I have

1125
00:45:02,721 --> 00:45:04,681
Speaker 3: to come now and experience what I went through, with

1126
00:45:04,761 --> 00:45:06,961
Speaker 3: the UN and the government being the ones to do

1127
00:45:07,041 --> 00:45:10,401
Speaker 3: it all. I start believing that they do. They want

1128
00:45:10,441 --> 00:45:13,041
Speaker 3: crims to go back to their lifestyle. So the doors

1129
00:45:13,121 --> 00:45:16,201
Speaker 3: keep turning, keeps the cops in the job, keeps the

1130
00:45:16,761 --> 00:45:17,401
Speaker 3: keeps the government.

1131
00:45:17,441 --> 00:45:18,881
Speaker 4: They're all government, they're all government run.

1132
00:45:19,001 --> 00:45:21,881
Speaker 3: Jarles I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but I mean

1133
00:45:21,921 --> 00:45:24,601
Speaker 3: you start believing that this might be one. Yeah, because

1134
00:45:25,001 --> 00:45:28,561
Speaker 3: why would they want someone like me that the classes,

1135
00:45:28,921 --> 00:45:30,041
Speaker 3: he's a bad boy or whatever.

1136
00:45:30,161 --> 00:45:31,321
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've reformed your life.

1137
00:45:31,361 --> 00:45:33,241
Speaker 3: In the reform of life I was. I was in

1138
00:45:33,361 --> 00:45:37,281
Speaker 3: a good, steady job, supporting my family. No evidence of

1139
00:45:37,401 --> 00:45:40,041
Speaker 3: ever doing anything wrong on job sites. So who noticed

1140
00:45:40,081 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: you to do that? How did they get McKenzie Nick

1141
00:45:43,521 --> 00:45:46,841
Speaker 3: McKenzie in the sixty minutes interview? So during that whole time,

1142
00:45:46,961 --> 00:45:50,841
Speaker 3: will be investigated by federal police, will be investigated by corruption,

1143
00:45:51,681 --> 00:45:54,041
Speaker 3: I mean as in anti corruption for the unions and

1144
00:45:54,081 --> 00:45:56,001
Speaker 3: all that. And this is not just me, this is

1145
00:45:56,081 --> 00:45:57,921
Speaker 3: John and everyone that lost their jobs in the union.

1146
00:45:58,081 --> 00:46:00,401
Speaker 3: Everyone was under investigation. So for a couple of years

1147
00:46:00,441 --> 00:46:02,241
Speaker 3: whatever it was, well I was there for I was

1148
00:46:02,281 --> 00:46:04,121
Speaker 3: there for a couple of years and a half years whatever.

1149
00:46:04,681 --> 00:46:07,521
Speaker 3: So that two and a half years under investigation. Not

1150
00:46:07,601 --> 00:46:10,761
Speaker 3: one bloke's been charged, not one female has been charged

1151
00:46:10,761 --> 00:46:13,241
Speaker 3: for you, not one bloke, No one's been charged. But

1152
00:46:13,321 --> 00:46:15,841
Speaker 3: everyone can't get these jobs now, include myself. So I've

1153
00:46:15,881 --> 00:46:18,001
Speaker 3: never had one charge. I mean, if they charged me

1154
00:46:18,081 --> 00:46:20,281
Speaker 3: for doing something wrongdoing or taking money under the table,

1155
00:46:20,881 --> 00:46:23,001
Speaker 3: you wear a lot easier. I think, well, I messed up.

1156
00:46:23,161 --> 00:46:25,401
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have done that. There's been no there's been

1157
00:46:25,481 --> 00:46:28,401
Speaker 3: no evidence of that, and there's been no wrongdoing.

1158
00:46:28,841 --> 00:46:32,041
Speaker 1: The contritions, not Bucky what with anything to say how

1159
00:46:32,081 --> 00:46:32,441
Speaker 1: good it were?

1160
00:46:32,641 --> 00:46:33,241
Speaker 4: That that was.

1161
00:46:33,561 --> 00:46:35,321
Speaker 3: That was my dig I had on sixty minutes about

1162
00:46:35,401 --> 00:46:37,921
Speaker 3: not backing me. I mean, and you know, I will

1163
00:46:37,961 --> 00:46:39,601
Speaker 3: say as a man now, I was wrong to mention

1164
00:46:39,761 --> 00:46:41,961
Speaker 3: John's name because he's a good bloke and always got

1165
00:46:41,961 --> 00:46:43,321
Speaker 3: along with John Goodwin when.

1166
00:46:43,201 --> 00:46:45,681
Speaker 4: I was in the union. I mentioned his name because

1167
00:46:45,721 --> 00:46:46,641
Speaker 4: he was the head of the union.

1168
00:46:46,721 --> 00:46:49,041
Speaker 3: But I probably blew off the de velop pipe too

1169
00:46:49,161 --> 00:46:51,601
Speaker 3: quick because obviously if I look back, he wasn't there

1170
00:46:51,681 --> 00:46:53,921
Speaker 3: when I lost it. He was there when it all started,

1171
00:46:54,361 --> 00:46:56,401
Speaker 3: but he walked away with a handshake to do better

1172
00:46:56,441 --> 00:46:58,281
Speaker 3: for the union. He's a union man. Throw and through

1173
00:46:58,881 --> 00:47:01,281
Speaker 3: the blokes that were left there in charge after him,

1174
00:47:01,841 --> 00:47:04,241
Speaker 3: I still call them scumbags because they're the ones that

1175
00:47:04,281 --> 00:47:07,001
Speaker 3: didn't fight. There were too busy second governments as turn

1176
00:47:07,041 --> 00:47:08,441
Speaker 3: the back on man. A lot of this's the other

1177
00:47:08,561 --> 00:47:11,321
Speaker 3: shoppes as well. Instead of saying, you know what, we're

1178
00:47:11,321 --> 00:47:13,001
Speaker 3: going to stop every job in Melbourne and we're going

1179
00:47:13,041 --> 00:47:15,361
Speaker 3: to march. I mean that's what the old union would

1180
00:47:15,361 --> 00:47:17,241
Speaker 3: have done. Yeah, correct, that's what old union had done.

1181
00:47:17,361 --> 00:47:18,641
Speaker 3: Who cares you The government's given the ship.

1182
00:47:18,841 --> 00:47:19,241
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

1183
00:47:20,001 --> 00:47:21,561
Speaker 3: And you know when I got with John, he was

1184
00:47:21,601 --> 00:47:24,361
Speaker 3: he was under the same impression like, yeah, we should

1185
00:47:24,401 --> 00:47:26,681
Speaker 3: just they should. He wasn't there, you know what I mean. So,

1186
00:47:26,841 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: but they should have stopped what work was going to happen.

1187
00:47:29,961 --> 00:47:32,521
Speaker 3: Everyone lost their jobs anyway, So he stopped the work

1188
00:47:32,521 --> 00:47:34,441
Speaker 3: from having to stop the city. You know, I mean,

1189
00:47:34,521 --> 00:47:36,881
Speaker 3: get the ETU, bhind you stop the stop the power. No,

1190
00:47:37,161 --> 00:47:40,401
Speaker 3: no electricians, no power, No one's working. But they're too

1191
00:47:40,441 --> 00:47:42,121
Speaker 3: scared to lose call back in the day, they would

1192
00:47:42,121 --> 00:47:44,321
Speaker 3: have done it over something smaller, over a pay rise.

1193
00:47:44,841 --> 00:47:46,241
Speaker 4: But not not over their members.

1194
00:47:46,521 --> 00:47:48,881
Speaker 3: Taught your next move now for this then, well after

1195
00:47:49,081 --> 00:47:53,481
Speaker 3: obviously after my comeback fight I had in February, we

1196
00:47:53,521 --> 00:47:56,921
Speaker 3: had a we had a pretty serious seizure after that. Yeah,

1197
00:47:57,401 --> 00:48:00,361
Speaker 3: it was your forty fourth birthday year. Yeah yeah, so yeah,

1198
00:48:00,401 --> 00:48:03,001
Speaker 3: forty forty three, forty you put a year on me

1199
00:48:03,481 --> 00:48:11,641
Speaker 3: Google forty four, forty third birthday. But yeah, we end

1200
00:48:11,721 --> 00:48:13,161
Speaker 3: up in ICU, end up in a coma?

1201
00:48:14,001 --> 00:48:15,161
Speaker 1: Was it actually a comma?

1202
00:48:15,241 --> 00:48:16,241
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was in a coma. Yeah.

1203
00:48:16,241 --> 00:48:18,561
Speaker 3: I was in a real bad way. So obviously when

1204
00:48:18,561 --> 00:48:20,081
Speaker 3: they come out to the house, it was just a CG.

1205
00:48:20,121 --> 00:48:21,561
Speaker 3: I just come out from nowhere. We'll go up together

1206
00:48:21,601 --> 00:48:24,081
Speaker 3: the toilet and I ended up hitting the deck. I

1207
00:48:24,121 --> 00:48:25,641
Speaker 3: was making a bit of noise in the bathroom, obviously,

1208
00:48:25,681 --> 00:48:28,401
Speaker 3: and obviously Chess has come in and see me the

1209
00:48:28,441 --> 00:48:31,201
Speaker 3: way it was, and I was still responsive at the

1210
00:48:31,241 --> 00:48:34,321
Speaker 3: time where she see me. But I had a good

1211
00:48:34,401 --> 00:48:36,281
Speaker 3: mate and a good mane of mine, Billy Nickers, lives

1212
00:48:36,281 --> 00:48:38,121
Speaker 3: around the corner, and he come around the house.

1213
00:48:38,201 --> 00:48:40,121
Speaker 4: And by the time he got there, I wasn't real

1214
00:48:40,201 --> 00:48:40,921
Speaker 4: breathing real good.

1215
00:48:41,521 --> 00:48:43,481
Speaker 3: I was strugging brand My body was locked, so my

1216
00:48:43,601 --> 00:48:45,961
Speaker 3: jaw i'd been through the bottom of my lip, but

1217
00:48:46,121 --> 00:48:49,041
Speaker 3: I was holding the bite and I was breathing through

1218
00:48:49,121 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 3: my teeth yep. And I just spit in blood because

1219
00:48:51,481 --> 00:48:53,681
Speaker 3: obviously the gash that I had in my mouth. Yeah,

1220
00:48:53,921 --> 00:48:56,801
Speaker 3: time the ambulance got there, my oxygen level was dropped

1221
00:48:56,801 --> 00:49:01,241
Speaker 3: down under thirty. So that's that's critical. And then that

1222
00:49:01,921 --> 00:49:04,201
Speaker 3: put me into a comera. Otherwise you things are going

1223
00:49:04,241 --> 00:49:05,641
Speaker 3: to things just like giving up, you know.

1224
00:49:06,081 --> 00:49:07,121
Speaker 1: So how's your health now?

1225
00:49:07,841 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 4: Yeh know, we're good.

1226
00:49:08,481 --> 00:49:11,041
Speaker 3: So we've been dealing with the neuroscience team up at

1227
00:49:11,041 --> 00:49:14,361
Speaker 3: bar in there, Bar in the house and dealing with

1228
00:49:14,401 --> 00:49:17,761
Speaker 3: them and obviously through a GP and just trying different medications.

1229
00:49:18,361 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: I've had caeesars before.

1230
00:49:19,641 --> 00:49:20,081
Speaker 4: No, never.

1231
00:49:20,761 --> 00:49:22,801
Speaker 3: I don't believe it was an epic. I don't my

1232
00:49:22,921 --> 00:49:26,201
Speaker 3: brother suffered with epilepsy. I don't believe it was epilepsy.

1233
00:49:26,841 --> 00:49:28,721
Speaker 3: I believe it was may brought on from there was

1234
00:49:28,721 --> 00:49:32,081
Speaker 3: obviously a lot of stressingly losing the job, trying to

1235
00:49:32,121 --> 00:49:34,801
Speaker 3: support a family, high blood pressure, no, no, no, yes,

1236
00:49:34,881 --> 00:49:37,481
Speaker 3: I had high blood pressure which was undiagnosed at that time.

1237
00:49:37,801 --> 00:49:40,561
Speaker 3: High blood pressure, a lot of PTSD, A lot of stresses,

1238
00:49:40,721 --> 00:49:43,761
Speaker 3: like you know, I mean, doing my heading over a

1239
00:49:43,801 --> 00:49:46,081
Speaker 3: lot of things. And then obviously that day, that day,

1240
00:49:46,121 --> 00:49:48,041
Speaker 3: I can't say I was, but it's one of the

1241
00:49:48,121 --> 00:49:50,321
Speaker 3: things that built up, yeah, I mean, and just coming

1242
00:49:50,361 --> 00:49:53,921
Speaker 3: to manifest like that and then something like that happens.

1243
00:49:54,201 --> 00:49:56,041
Speaker 3: I believe it was just I was obviously dealing with

1244
00:49:56,521 --> 00:49:59,681
Speaker 3: psychologists for a bit, and she was under the she

1245
00:49:59,801 --> 00:50:03,721
Speaker 3: was under belief they was sounded like something that like PTSD,

1246
00:50:04,161 --> 00:50:06,081
Speaker 3: sounded like an ex wall veteran we get or something

1247
00:50:06,121 --> 00:50:08,481
Speaker 3: like that where they go into a seizure like that,

1248
00:50:08,641 --> 00:50:11,081
Speaker 3: because it wasn't. Mine wasn't a five minute little seizure

1249
00:50:11,201 --> 00:50:13,881
Speaker 3: moment for forty five minutes before they put me to sleep.

1250
00:50:14,321 --> 00:50:16,281
Speaker 3: So mine went on for forty five minutes. They worked

1251
00:50:16,321 --> 00:50:17,961
Speaker 3: on me, worked on me, worked with me, and once

1252
00:50:18,001 --> 00:50:19,841
Speaker 3: the auction levels got on the thirty that's Sally. I said,

1253
00:50:19,841 --> 00:50:22,081
Speaker 3: we can't, we can't name all we got to We've

1254
00:50:22,081 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 3: got to price.

1255
00:50:22,561 --> 00:50:23,641
Speaker 1: Does that put a stop now to you?

1256
00:50:23,961 --> 00:50:27,761
Speaker 4: And you come back, well, I've had head scan after

1257
00:50:27,801 --> 00:50:28,321
Speaker 4: head scans.

1258
00:50:28,321 --> 00:50:29,721
Speaker 3: I mean, I've just done a test couple of weeks

1259
00:50:29,721 --> 00:50:32,561
Speaker 3: ago where we get results soon, but they haven't found No.

1260
00:50:33,561 --> 00:50:37,361
Speaker 3: Obviously you're going to have little little bits of black

1261
00:50:37,401 --> 00:50:40,241
Speaker 3: spots or whatever from boxing. But I mean that, I

1262
00:50:40,321 --> 00:50:43,881
Speaker 3: mean I had that back in twenty ten. They're not

1263
00:50:43,961 --> 00:50:46,241
Speaker 3: saying that. They're not saying it's from the boxing. I

1264
00:50:46,321 --> 00:50:48,321
Speaker 3: mean it's sort of unknown at the moment. It's sort

1265
00:50:48,361 --> 00:50:49,761
Speaker 3: of liked that way for you have another seizure and

1266
00:50:49,801 --> 00:50:52,281
Speaker 3: then so he's got ablepsy. But yeah, I don't mean

1267
00:50:52,481 --> 00:50:55,521
Speaker 3: I haven't. I haven't had one since been six months now,

1268
00:50:57,401 --> 00:50:59,241
Speaker 3: so I should be getting clear to go back to

1269
00:50:59,321 --> 00:51:02,521
Speaker 3: work and do normal life very soon. But I mean,

1270
00:51:02,681 --> 00:51:05,601
Speaker 3: you're look into stuff. But we spoke autore with Ricky

1271
00:51:05,641 --> 00:51:09,121
Speaker 3: Hadden and then a few free players and things that

1272
00:51:09,161 --> 00:51:10,921
Speaker 3: people say, like the CTE.

1273
00:51:10,641 --> 00:51:11,121
Speaker 4: You just don't know.

1274
00:51:11,801 --> 00:51:13,401
Speaker 3: You just don't know what's caused on what these days.

1275
00:51:13,921 --> 00:51:16,161
Speaker 3: So it's goods. I mean, it's a hard thing. They

1276
00:51:16,201 --> 00:51:20,001
Speaker 3: can't diagnose them to you. You're dead, so it doesn't

1277
00:51:20,001 --> 00:51:21,641
Speaker 3: really have you much, but you still it's got to

1278
00:51:21,721 --> 00:51:25,081
Speaker 3: keep them on it. But listen, it was hard enough

1279
00:51:25,081 --> 00:51:27,161
Speaker 3: when we get a boxing lossse back the first time

1280
00:51:27,721 --> 00:51:29,601
Speaker 3: with the long duration, I be making it come back

1281
00:51:29,601 --> 00:51:35,041
Speaker 3: at forty three. But yeah, I haven't even looked in

1282
00:51:35,121 --> 00:51:38,041
Speaker 3: that avenue yet where they would stand with that. But yeah,

1283
00:51:38,201 --> 00:51:40,761
Speaker 3: I'm definitely not blaming the boxing. Did you did you

1284
00:51:40,761 --> 00:51:42,201
Speaker 3: get scared? Were you're scared when that happened?

1285
00:51:42,681 --> 00:51:44,441
Speaker 4: You know what? That's that's the biggest thing of it.

1286
00:51:44,481 --> 00:51:46,641
Speaker 3: And that's why I asked my partner and obviously Billy

1287
00:51:46,681 --> 00:51:47,961
Speaker 3: that was there, and obviously people that sent me in

1288
00:51:48,001 --> 00:51:48,401
Speaker 3: the hospital.

1289
00:51:48,801 --> 00:51:51,081
Speaker 4: I asked them so many questions. I don't remember at all.

1290
00:51:51,241 --> 00:51:52,121
Speaker 4: It's just like blank.

1291
00:51:52,761 --> 00:51:54,961
Speaker 3: So the day of the day before that, I think

1292
00:51:55,241 --> 00:51:59,361
Speaker 3: where we zoom with the kids, and then obviously that's

1293
00:51:59,441 --> 00:52:02,201
Speaker 3: happened the next day till five third in the morning.

1294
00:52:03,761 --> 00:52:07,081
Speaker 3: I don't remember nothing from that time to pretty much.

1295
00:52:07,081 --> 00:52:09,761
Speaker 3: I was put in the recovery ward. So even though

1296
00:52:09,801 --> 00:52:11,281
Speaker 3: on the time in ICU when they brought me out

1297
00:52:11,281 --> 00:52:14,961
Speaker 3: of the camera, I was dis orientated. I didn't know

1298
00:52:15,001 --> 00:52:17,121
Speaker 3: where I was. I didn't know who anyone was. I

1299
00:52:17,201 --> 00:52:18,961
Speaker 3: thought I was back in jail. And this is not

1300
00:52:19,081 --> 00:52:20,841
Speaker 3: me remembering this. This is me getting told what I

1301
00:52:20,961 --> 00:52:22,921
Speaker 3: was saying and what I was doing. I thought nurses

1302
00:52:22,921 --> 00:52:26,201
Speaker 3: were prisoning screws. And so this is where it goes

1303
00:52:26,241 --> 00:52:31,601
Speaker 3: back to psychologists thinking it was a PTSD episode because

1304
00:52:31,641 --> 00:52:33,601
Speaker 3: you've come out of this. So you've been you're in

1305
00:52:33,681 --> 00:52:35,841
Speaker 3: that episode, you've been put to sleep, and obviously your

1306
00:52:35,881 --> 00:52:38,361
Speaker 3: brain's doing that wavelength and they brought you back out

1307
00:52:38,961 --> 00:52:43,841
Speaker 3: and you're still hammering that that problem, like fucking I'm

1308
00:52:43,881 --> 00:52:45,281
Speaker 3: back in jar. What'd you do this for me? Your

1309
00:52:45,361 --> 00:52:47,921
Speaker 3: dogs and I'm talking. I'm saying this to my dad.

1310
00:52:48,961 --> 00:52:51,601
Speaker 3: My partner didn't recognize who your partner was, kept away

1311
00:52:51,601 --> 00:52:53,881
Speaker 3: from your dog. You're trying to drug me. This went

1312
00:52:53,921 --> 00:52:56,761
Speaker 3: on for a couple of days and then obviously come

1313
00:52:56,841 --> 00:52:59,161
Speaker 3: out of that so a sedation. Once they let the

1314
00:52:59,201 --> 00:53:01,321
Speaker 3: sedation up of being the body started coming back to normal,

1315
00:53:02,121 --> 00:53:04,001
Speaker 3: then obviously went to a recovery ward. And I remember,

1316
00:53:04,161 --> 00:53:06,521
Speaker 3: so I remember the recover reward clearly, like my first

1317
00:53:06,601 --> 00:53:11,001
Speaker 3: day there, but everything before that don't remember, nothing at all,

1318
00:53:11,801 --> 00:53:13,161
Speaker 3: like I was dead, like I don't know, I don't

1319
00:53:13,161 --> 00:53:16,481
Speaker 3: remember them, days gone. And I try even at high

1320
00:53:16,481 --> 00:53:18,601
Speaker 3: next obviously still in the same place. I go to

1321
00:53:18,641 --> 00:53:20,801
Speaker 3: the barth from where it happened, just trying to get

1322
00:53:20,841 --> 00:53:22,601
Speaker 3: my thoughts back, and this is nothing. It's just like

1323
00:53:22,961 --> 00:53:24,121
Speaker 3: I don't remember coming here.

1324
00:53:24,841 --> 00:53:26,841
Speaker 1: And the doctors gave you no explanation.

1325
00:53:27,001 --> 00:53:33,081
Speaker 4: Why n The psychologist was the best thing that explained

1326
00:53:33,081 --> 00:53:33,361
Speaker 4: it to her.

1327
00:53:33,481 --> 00:53:35,641
Speaker 3: She's the one that said about his PTS, like she's

1328
00:53:35,641 --> 00:53:38,441
Speaker 3: dealt with people with PTSD and had PTSD.

1329
00:53:38,561 --> 00:53:41,761
Speaker 4: Siezes. That's that was the closest thing I come to.

1330
00:53:42,321 --> 00:53:43,841
Speaker 3: And it's one of the things you want to you're

1331
00:53:43,841 --> 00:53:45,601
Speaker 3: never going to answer for, you know, I mean, it

1332
00:53:45,721 --> 00:53:47,681
Speaker 3: may never happen again like this. Hope it doesn't, but

1333
00:53:48,281 --> 00:53:49,881
Speaker 3: it may never happen again, and if it doesn't, it'll

1334
00:53:49,881 --> 00:53:52,521
Speaker 3: be one of them things like who knows you?

1335
00:53:52,601 --> 00:53:54,761
Speaker 4: Hell? Do you like?

1336
00:53:54,881 --> 00:53:58,201
Speaker 1: I've already you've answered aft but with no regrets. But

1337
00:53:58,281 --> 00:54:04,161
Speaker 1: is there anything you could change in your life? Yeah?

1338
00:54:04,201 --> 00:54:06,161
Speaker 2: Well you like you know what I mean When I

1339
00:54:06,241 --> 00:54:07,881
Speaker 2: say change, You know what I mean, A different a

1340
00:54:07,961 --> 00:54:11,401
Speaker 2: different path, you know what I mean, or different situation,

1341
00:54:11,561 --> 00:54:13,561
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, but it's not a regret,

1342
00:54:14,041 --> 00:54:16,641
Speaker 2: not a regret like like you said before that you

1343
00:54:16,721 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: wish you wish it never gave up your boxing so early.

1344
00:54:19,321 --> 00:54:22,641
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I mean, like I said before, I'll just regret.

1345
00:54:22,761 --> 00:54:25,401
Speaker 4: But what I don't think is differently probably.

1346
00:54:25,881 --> 00:54:27,281
Speaker 3: I mean if you could see what we can see now,

1347
00:54:27,321 --> 00:54:29,281
Speaker 3: I think August were done something a little bit different,

1348
00:54:29,561 --> 00:54:32,881
Speaker 3: even though not being not joining the bark, he's not

1349
00:54:33,041 --> 00:54:35,361
Speaker 3: being I mean, no one wants to go to GAO.

1350
00:54:35,481 --> 00:54:37,241
Speaker 4: I mean, no one plans to go. You don't.

1351
00:54:37,401 --> 00:54:39,041
Speaker 2: But the thing is, when you join a club like that,

1352
00:54:39,161 --> 00:54:41,401
Speaker 2: you don't plan ongoing, know what I mean, You don't

1353
00:54:41,401 --> 00:54:43,521
Speaker 2: plan on going any and if you even if you did,

1354
00:54:43,641 --> 00:54:45,401
Speaker 2: that's in your mind you still think you're untouchable.

1355
00:54:45,481 --> 00:54:48,121
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, well, I mean I mean we're

1356
00:54:48,561 --> 00:54:50,801
Speaker 3: I mean I've done security work clock when I was

1357
00:54:50,801 --> 00:54:52,921
Speaker 3: twenty one, that too, I reckon we did, Yeah, I

1358
00:54:52,961 --> 00:54:55,521
Speaker 3: done security. I was like twenty one twenty three Melbourny

1359
00:54:56,281 --> 00:54:58,561
Speaker 3: and so you kind of followed in you that yeah

1360
00:55:00,361 --> 00:55:02,801
Speaker 3: done A little bit didn't last long but it's too hot.

1361
00:55:02,881 --> 00:55:05,801
Speaker 3: Editor started to work to love them because the were

1362
00:55:05,881 --> 00:55:08,121
Speaker 3: like thirty thirty five there. I look at them like

1363
00:55:08,121 --> 00:55:11,841
Speaker 3: their old counts, but not good like good blugs. Yeah,

1364
00:55:12,161 --> 00:55:14,561
Speaker 3: I'll be like yeah old, I'll be like hot headed. Yeah,

1365
00:55:14,561 --> 00:55:17,881
Speaker 3: I mean, but I didn't do that long. That was

1366
00:55:17,961 --> 00:55:19,961
Speaker 3: more just the scene I got into through the boxing.

1367
00:55:20,281 --> 00:55:21,281
Speaker 3: A lot of people were doing it, you know.

1368
00:55:21,281 --> 00:55:21,481
Speaker 4: I mean.

1369
00:55:23,161 --> 00:55:26,721
Speaker 3: But now when I say I wouldn't, I wouldn't probably

1370
00:55:26,761 --> 00:55:29,761
Speaker 3: take nothing back because it probably changed, like the.

1371
00:55:29,921 --> 00:55:30,521
Speaker 1: Change who you are?

1372
00:55:30,761 --> 00:55:31,641
Speaker 4: Yeah, changed who I am?

1373
00:55:31,681 --> 00:55:31,721
Speaker 3: You?

1374
00:55:31,801 --> 00:55:32,721
Speaker 4: I mean, like anything, like you.

1375
00:55:32,721 --> 00:55:34,441
Speaker 1: Could say you wouldn't be here today if you want,

1376
00:55:35,081 --> 00:55:35,481
Speaker 1: I could.

1377
00:55:35,401 --> 00:55:36,961
Speaker 3: Go back and say, you know, I should have done

1378
00:55:37,001 --> 00:55:40,361
Speaker 3: better at school, have better opportunities later on. But then

1379
00:55:40,441 --> 00:55:42,961
Speaker 3: that's it sort of becomes a regret. But where I

1380
00:55:43,001 --> 00:55:45,681
Speaker 3: don't actually think it's I wouldn't say it. I mean,

1381
00:55:45,761 --> 00:55:48,881
Speaker 3: I think what I've done, I've done, and there's you

1382
00:55:49,001 --> 00:55:50,041
Speaker 3: do the best from what you've got.

1383
00:55:50,081 --> 00:55:53,601
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, what describe yourself in one would.

1384
00:55:56,761 --> 00:56:04,241
Speaker 3: If my party would say, it'd be crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, myam,

1385
00:56:04,641 --> 00:56:11,361
Speaker 3: I've got my yeah, crazy, unpredictable. So what does the

1386
00:56:11,401 --> 00:56:11,881
Speaker 3: future for you?

1387
00:56:11,961 --> 00:56:13,441
Speaker 1: Then? Tell me about the futures for Johnny?

1388
00:56:13,881 --> 00:56:15,201
Speaker 4: Now, just it's for me.

1389
00:56:15,441 --> 00:56:17,441
Speaker 3: Now, it's about family, you know, I mean, just and

1390
00:56:17,481 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 3: the kids, Ili and Chloe Early is five, Chloe is four,

1391
00:56:23,921 --> 00:56:28,361
Speaker 3: my son Tyler's nineteen. Just just now, like getting getting

1392
00:56:28,401 --> 00:56:31,561
Speaker 3: clear from the doctors, obviously, getting back to work or

1393
00:56:31,681 --> 00:56:35,441
Speaker 3: doing something in that industry of work, construction.

1394
00:56:36,521 --> 00:56:38,281
Speaker 4: By someone world of our trade for the world of

1395
00:56:38,321 --> 00:56:38,761
Speaker 4: our trade.

1396
00:56:38,801 --> 00:56:42,641
Speaker 3: So getting something going into something like that, even with

1397
00:56:42,761 --> 00:56:45,561
Speaker 3: some sort of business type of doing, doing something like that,

1398
00:56:47,721 --> 00:56:51,121
Speaker 3: and just just family and just kicking on and just yeah,

1399
00:56:51,201 --> 00:56:53,321
Speaker 3: train obviously, you know, I always love my training.

1400
00:56:53,681 --> 00:56:54,321
Speaker 4: I always do it.

1401
00:56:54,801 --> 00:56:56,561
Speaker 3: Always always do a bit of boxing on the side,

1402
00:56:57,441 --> 00:57:02,481
Speaker 3: uh bitter ways, just just just maintain mental health really that.

1403
00:57:04,281 --> 00:57:08,961
Speaker 4: I've kind of a speaker. Yeah, I've always I've always thought.

1404
00:57:08,761 --> 00:57:13,161
Speaker 3: About doing that, like motivation, that sort of stuff, talking

1405
00:57:13,161 --> 00:57:15,721
Speaker 3: about obviously, like we talked about here, my past and

1406
00:57:15,761 --> 00:57:17,481
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. I'd love to do some

1407
00:57:17,561 --> 00:57:19,721
Speaker 3: of that because obviously when I was going for union.

1408
00:57:19,841 --> 00:57:22,641
Speaker 3: That's that was the biggest joy of my job, was

1409
00:57:22,641 --> 00:57:25,601
Speaker 3: helping other people and not just and obviously you're making

1410
00:57:26,041 --> 00:57:28,241
Speaker 3: making sure sights are safe and you going home to

1411
00:57:28,281 --> 00:57:31,521
Speaker 3: their families. I mean, that's that's the key, that's the

1412
00:57:31,561 --> 00:57:33,721
Speaker 3: key reason why we're there. But the other, you know,

1413
00:57:33,761 --> 00:57:35,921
Speaker 3: the other good things were well, you know, with people

1414
00:57:35,961 --> 00:57:39,881
Speaker 3: that weren't getting shifts, or we're being mistreated by the bosses,

1415
00:57:40,001 --> 00:57:42,121
Speaker 3: or even a bloke that can ring he's been out

1416
00:57:42,161 --> 00:57:43,521
Speaker 3: of work for three months. The next mining I've seen

1417
00:57:43,561 --> 00:57:45,281
Speaker 3: him working on a nice years getting five grand a week,

1418
00:57:45,601 --> 00:57:47,321
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, he comes up, gives you a pattern,

1419
00:57:47,361 --> 00:57:50,281
Speaker 3: show you turn my life around. That for me means

1420
00:57:50,321 --> 00:57:52,561
Speaker 3: a lot more than my wage down there every week.

1421
00:57:53,161 --> 00:57:55,401
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's something like a speaker or a youth

1422
00:57:55,481 --> 00:57:57,521
Speaker 3: worker or something like that. I'd love to see it.

1423
00:57:57,961 --> 00:58:00,201
Speaker 3: I'd love to get into something like that where you're

1424
00:58:00,201 --> 00:58:02,801
Speaker 3: helping others and that you that gives you a bit

1425
00:58:02,841 --> 00:58:04,641
Speaker 3: of joy, doesn't it you. I mean, so it does

1426
00:58:04,761 --> 00:58:06,441
Speaker 3: mean he I mean that and that comes from the

1427
00:58:06,441 --> 00:58:08,961
Speaker 3: boxing gym, toilm, and I've always from around the even

1428
00:58:09,001 --> 00:58:11,601
Speaker 3: in prison, the younger prisoners and awards from one around them,

1429
00:58:11,601 --> 00:58:13,921
Speaker 3: and you know it's getting a hard time or whatever,

1430
00:58:14,561 --> 00:58:15,881
Speaker 3: the same thing in the boxing gym. You know, my

1431
00:58:15,961 --> 00:58:18,281
Speaker 3: dad always told me one thing when I was young,

1432
00:58:18,801 --> 00:58:22,241
Speaker 3: so I was obviously cheeky come to him anyways. Respect respect,

1433
00:58:22,761 --> 00:58:25,241
Speaker 3: not just respect your elders, but respect the younger one too.

1434
00:58:25,881 --> 00:58:27,481
Speaker 3: And I love what do you mean by that? You

1435
00:58:27,561 --> 00:58:29,801
Speaker 3: tell me respectus and repect them. I respect that one.

1436
00:58:30,241 --> 00:58:31,881
Speaker 3: And you'd be like, well with that young bloke, because

1437
00:58:31,881 --> 00:58:34,441
Speaker 3: when you're fifty and he's still thirty five, he'll be

1438
00:58:34,481 --> 00:58:35,561
Speaker 3: helping you in the night club year.

1439
00:58:35,601 --> 00:58:37,961
Speaker 4: And I look at that now.

1440
00:58:38,001 --> 00:58:39,521
Speaker 3: I think he's right, because now I'm forty three, I'm

1441
00:58:39,521 --> 00:58:42,121
Speaker 3: getting getting a bit older, getting a bit slower, you know.

1442
00:58:42,161 --> 00:58:44,121
Speaker 3: I mean, and these these young kids that you've looked

1443
00:58:44,161 --> 00:58:46,361
Speaker 3: after in boxing gyms or whatever, they're still in their

1444
00:58:46,441 --> 00:58:49,041
Speaker 3: late twenties. They're still sharp. So I've ever seen me

1445
00:58:49,081 --> 00:58:53,681
Speaker 3: at a nightclub? Just help me out, Yeah, Johnny Man,

1446
00:58:53,921 --> 00:58:56,481
Speaker 3: I really want to thank you for coming on. It's

1447
00:58:56,521 --> 00:58:58,841
Speaker 3: been worth the weight three or four years. I think

1448
00:58:58,841 --> 00:59:02,361
Speaker 3: I've been waiting for this, and you know, I appreciate

1449
00:59:02,641 --> 00:59:04,361
Speaker 3: a lot of respect to you, bro. Like as I

1450
00:59:04,401 --> 00:59:05,801
Speaker 3: said to you, and I'm me not from my heart.

1451
00:59:06,201 --> 00:59:06,561
Speaker 1: He said.

1452
00:59:07,201 --> 00:59:09,961
Speaker 2: You know, you've been through a lot and now I've

1453
00:59:10,001 --> 00:59:12,041
Speaker 2: seen you genuinely. You are a good person, Bro.

1454
00:59:12,201 --> 00:59:13,281
Speaker 4: Now appreciate you.

1455
00:59:14,401 --> 00:59:16,321
Speaker 1: I wish you all the well and with your partner

1456
00:59:16,401 --> 00:59:17,561
Speaker 1: to in the future.

1457
00:59:17,641 --> 00:59:19,601
Speaker 3: No appay, sure, but I appreciate the opportunity to coming

1458
00:59:19,601 --> 00:59:21,561
Speaker 3: to your platform. It's a it's a platform that I'll

1459
00:59:21,561 --> 00:59:23,601
Speaker 3: watched for a few years now. Thanks for he's having

1460
00:59:23,841 --> 00:59:26,441
Speaker 3: got the chance that we've got. But yeah, no, you're

1461
00:59:26,481 --> 00:59:30,641
Speaker 3: doing a great job. Then it's just something among the bucks.

1462
00:59:30,721 --> 00:59:33,761
Speaker 3: Just speaking speaking hell easier on me. It's just that's

1463
00:59:33,761 --> 00:59:34,601
Speaker 3: the why it's going to be said.

1464
00:59:34,761 --> 00:59:36,241
Speaker 4: That's good. I appreciate it, but thank you.

1465
00:59:37,241 --> 00:59:37,641
Speaker 1: Thanks Bro,