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Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Rule's Life and Crimes. Today We're going to

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Speaker 1: revisit a very old crime. It dates back exactly fifty

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Speaker 1: been a colonel in World War II, John Norman Duncan.

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Speaker 1: were mostly women. He got involved with his neighbors. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Ferguson was eighty four years old. He'd made a lot

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Speaker 1: They owned so much land in Carlton that when they

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Speaker 1: They find a pick and a spade nearby. Clearly the

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Speaker 1: They couldn't really be sure was it just an idiotic

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Speaker 1: There were three bullets in him, two in his head,

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Speaker 1: And the mystery lived on, and the mystery loomed large,

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Speaker 1: Either way, she ends up in a relationship, in a

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Speaker 1: is totally detailed or deliberately vague, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea of knowing. But she apparently told the

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Speaker 1: policeman about looking up a driveway and seeing the Jaguar car.

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Speaker 1: That sounds very much as if it was Colonel Duncan's.

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Speaker 1: The story she told did dovetail with the known facts

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Speaker 1: to some extent that a young personal person's may well

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Speaker 1: have been with Colonel Duncan just before his death. It

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Speaker 1: was enough that the police were motivated to have a

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Speaker 1: good look at Duchy, and I know for a fact

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Speaker 1: that they put out stories in the media in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and two, and the stories they put out raised

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Speaker 1: the distinct possibility that Colonel Duncan's murder was a paid

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Speaker 1: hit and that the motive, the likely motive, was of

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Speaker 1: the jealous husband variety, whether that's true or not. They

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Speaker 1: didn't have enough to make it stick on Duchy. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean Dutchy did it, and it doesn't mean he

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Speaker 1: didn't do it, but they didn't have enough to make

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Speaker 1: it stick. And so that was thirty six years after

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Speaker 1: the event. So the accuser, such as she might be,

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Speaker 1: is safely living back in the UK. Duchy is on

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Speaker 1: a little property up the bush, somewhere in that vast

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Speaker 1: Golbin Valley area, somewhere between Yay and Yarrawonga, which is

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Speaker 1: I think that road between those two point is about

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Speaker 1: two hundred kilometers long, so it's a big area that

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Speaker 1: he's in there somewhere. We actually have a rough idea where,

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Speaker 1: And the mystery of who killed Colonel Duncan is still

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Speaker 1: a mystery. But who knows what might happen if someone

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Speaker 1: were to talk to Duchy before he leaves the building.

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