Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: I'll settle for the burger kin, but fair enough. Thank you, Dulla.
Speaker 2: It's very nice for you, all right, Welcome to the show,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the man Cave. We've got an awful lot
Speaker 2: to get to tonight, including no sooks, no lefties. It
Speaker 2: is our gift to you in this the first full
Speaker 2: week of the election campaign. Gary Hardgrave, Bromwin Bishop, giving
Speaker 2: you nothing but the best. Tonight We're going to have
Speaker 2: a chat to somebody who's affected by these Queensland floods.
Speaker 2: They've lost an awful lot of their property but also
Speaker 2: their business and what it's like. I noticed again Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: no plans are visiting there. But of course Alfred oh
Speaker 2: that all turned it around for him and the.
Speaker 1: Great fire up.
Speaker 2: Megan Careley the only place you see here on AZTV
Speaker 2: right here tonight walking.
Speaker 3: Into the New York Times building, which was amazing. It's like,
Speaker 3: oh my, I'm really going the belly the beast here.
Speaker 3: Every had it in there was like.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, is that who I think?
Speaker 3: It is?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: But first before I get to the politics of the day,
Speaker 2: and you know, I can talk a lot about that
Speaker 2: I want to talk about something that is frankly more
Speaker 2: important than what is happening right now in terms of
Speaker 2: the federal election, in part because it is not being
Speaker 2: discussed in the federal election between the two people who
Speaker 2: seek to lead our country in the next little while.
Speaker 1: It's our kids now. I care because I have.
Speaker 2: Two little ones that are in primary school. You care
Speaker 2: because you've probably got two little ones, either in school
Speaker 2: themselves or certainly as grandkids.
Speaker 1: But the truth is that the kids are not all right.
Speaker 2: And it's not a scenario where all they needs just
Speaker 2: to go outside and play more and a kick in
Speaker 2: the backside and everything will be all right. No, for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, the society that we all live in has
Speaker 2: created huge troubles. And you would remember that, with great pride,
Speaker 2: we were able to raise a couple of one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for the good people of the Kid's Helpline.
Speaker 2: This was, of course, during COVID, when people were being
Speaker 2: locked in with their abuses, something that we knew was
Speaker 2: terrible at the time, something that we ended up being
Speaker 2: vindicated by when it came to the information. But all
Speaker 2: of that's years ago. But guess what, the kids are
Speaker 2: still not all right. This service is a vital and
Speaker 2: important one. It's a telephone number that I want you
Speaker 2: to write down tonight. One hundred, double five, one hundred,
Speaker 2: one hundred, double five, one eight hundred. I want your
Speaker 2: kids and your grandkids, your nieces, your nephews, the little
Speaker 2: people in your life to know this number because they
Speaker 2: may be willing to tell somebody on a phone or
Speaker 2: as thousands of kids do, they interact via the text
Speaker 2: message versions or their website of kids Helpline dot org,
Speaker 2: that are you. But it means that they will have
Speaker 2: someone there to help at a time when they feel
Speaker 2: they need it. And today there was a report that
Speaker 2: was released by the people who run Kids Help Line,
Speaker 2: and it is about the Kids' Helpline.
Speaker 1: Impact Report four.
Speaker 2: Last year, there were seventy four thousand, six hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty six counseling sessions. Now these either happened online, text
Speaker 2: or over the phone. That is two hundred and four
Speaker 2: people under the age of eighteen that they were able
Speaker 2: sorry twenty five that they were able to connect with
Speaker 2: and take care of and potentially save from what all
Speaker 2: of us would be most scared of. Forty percent of
Speaker 2: the calls or interactions were in relation to somebody thinking
Speaker 2: they were in the last day of their life, thirty
Speaker 2: percent were about the evil things that have been done
Speaker 2: to them, and ten percent was about trying to connect
Speaker 2: sometimes their feelings to what might be happening and give
Speaker 2: them the treatment when it comes to things like mental illness.
Speaker 2: This is more important than Team Red Team Blue. But
Speaker 2: I'll do all that for you in a second. Eight
Speaker 2: percent come from indigenous communities, thirty eight percent from cultural
Speaker 2: and linguisticly diverse, and I don't know what other means,
Speaker 2: but other would mean the majority of the backgrounds of
Speaker 2: people between the ages of.
Speaker 1: Just three, three and five.
Speaker 2: I think it is as the lowest they go to five,
Speaker 2: everything all the way up to university age.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The Kids Helpline is part of a service which is
Speaker 2: offered by your town, which is a spectacular community group,
Speaker 2: and forty three percent of its funding that is taking
Speaker 2: and helping two hundred kids a day.
Speaker 1: That's all day, every day, Good Friday, Easter.
Speaker 2: Monday, the twenty fourth of July twenty six for the
Speaker 2: federal government, thirty percent from the state and two percent
Speaker 2: from Australian business, but the bulk of that group as
Speaker 2: you can see is coming from people like you and me. Now,
Speaker 2: previously people have donated when I've asked them to, but
Speaker 2: this is not a call for donations. This is a
Speaker 2: reminder with the platform that I have that there is help.
Speaker 2: Please make sure that the little people in your life
Speaker 2: know this. Telephone number one eight hundred, double five one
Speaker 2: eight hundred, one eight hundred, double five one eight hundred.
Speaker 1: It's all the way up to.
Speaker 2: Somebody of twenty five years of age. Maybe they don't
Speaker 2: like the phone. Young people don't, so maybe kids Helpline
Speaker 2: dot com that are you is the way to be
Speaker 2: in touch if you can donate at a time when
Speaker 2: I know no one's got any extra money, but those
Speaker 2: who do, please help them out. Two hundred kids every
Speaker 2: single day are reaching out. If your kid, my kid,
Speaker 2: or somebody else's kid needs help and they feel they
Speaker 2: don't get it in the home for whatever reason, these
Speaker 2: people are there to help.
Speaker 1: Let's make sure there are more people there to help.
Speaker 2: One hundred double five, one hundred or kids help one
Speaker 2: dot com dot AU. All right, what you came for. Well,
Speaker 2: let's rip into the election, because we are making our
Speaker 2: way through the first of five weeks of the campaign
Speaker 2: thirty one days to go, most importantly, just twenty days
Speaker 2: until the first votes are cast.
Speaker 1: Remember that last two weeks is.
Speaker 2: Basically soaked up by people who've already made their decision,
Speaker 2: and more than half of people are expected to vote
Speaker 2: this time around. As for where the leaders were today,
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, he was speaking to an Australian family about
Speaker 2: the cost of living issue that is the number one
Speaker 2: issue in the election, no matter how much other people
Speaker 2: try to change the subject. Here he was having a
Speaker 2: chat to them today.
Speaker 5: And the concern is if the government keeps being as well,
Speaker 5: that inflation will go back up and interest rates go
Speaker 5: up again, which I think would be devastating for families,
Speaker 5: particularly if you've got a big morbage as well, and
Speaker 5: then you put all of these bills on top of that.
Speaker 5: It's a big way to be.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister was in relatively unfriendly territory, which is Victoria. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's where a significant number of MPs come from, but
Speaker 2: as i'll explain a little bit later, it is not
Speaker 2: a place where there's an awful lot of votes right now.
Speaker 2: There she was, Penny Wong. But don't you dare ask
Speaker 2: her a question, because then you get this from the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister.
Speaker 6: No, because it's my press conference.
Speaker 1: That's the bloke who's apparently winning at this election.
Speaker 2: But forgive me for saying that I think I might
Speaker 2: take up just a little bit of free space in
Speaker 2: the prime Minister's head, because for no reason he brought
Speaker 2: us up and the pub Test in an answer to
Speaker 2: a question that wasn't about anything that happened at the
Speaker 2: pub test. Now, interestingly, the Prime Minister has told the
Speaker 2: people that I work for and anyone that he thinks
Speaker 2: can have influence over my career that you know, I'm
Speaker 2: the worst of the worst, and he doesn't pay attention,
Speaker 2: he doesn't listen, and I'm some sort of you know.
Speaker 1: Freak off the leash. But if that's the case, why is.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister talking about the things that happen on
Speaker 2: this program? Again, this was the question that he was
Speaker 2: asked at a press conference today.
Speaker 7: The Coalition has already prempied or matched the number of
Speaker 7: the flages you're.
Speaker 1: Making here, and it including this one year that dirty
Speaker 1: help up ther he will get it regardless.
Speaker 7: Why do you think your promises are enough to bridge
Speaker 7: that apsid cathlete of talkings out?
Speaker 2: So good question? Calls him out on the BS when
Speaker 2: it comes to health. But it was in Tasmania about Tasmania.
Speaker 2: But watch how, just out of nowhere he makes reference
Speaker 2: to Peter Dutton and the pub test.
Speaker 6: This is the guy who said, along with the Coalition
Speaker 6: last time they came into government, there'd be no cuts
Speaker 6: to health and no cuts to education. They read fifty
Speaker 6: billion dollars out of health. They tried to stop bulk
Speaker 6: billing all together when he was the health minister. They
Speaker 6: tried to impose a tax every time people visited a hospital,
Speaker 6: and they tried to increase the costs of pharmaceuticals, not
Speaker 6: to decrease them. And Peter Dutton, in a moment of
Speaker 6: candor under a grilling I assume I didn't watch the
Speaker 6: program on Monday night, said that essentially, if you have,
Speaker 6: if the comment doesn't run schools, why do we have
Speaker 6: an education department?
Speaker 2: Now I know about the weave and the wander, but
Speaker 2: how's a question about Tasmanian health. End up with a
Speaker 2: reference to this program, the passive aggressive swipe at me
Speaker 2: and trying to make something up about Peter Dutton because
Speaker 2: we're effective, because he knows that we are keeping total
Speaker 2: laser like focus on all of his failures of the
Speaker 2: past three years. We didn't buy them when he was
Speaker 2: coming to office. We won't buy them. Regardless of whether
Speaker 2: he would loses or draws this election, he promised to
Speaker 2: make things better. Instead everything got worse. He said that
Speaker 2: the tax cuts for everyone, we're going to help. When
Speaker 2: it comes to cost of living, Well, guess what. Two
Speaker 2: years in a row the polls prove that what they
Speaker 2: are offering is too little, too late, and doesn't even
Speaker 2: begin to touch the sides. We remind you that he
Speaker 2: took fifteen hundred dollars of ten million workers. I've told
Speaker 2: you that now sixty three percent of a bottle of
Speaker 2: Bundy is tax He's increased petrol taxes now up to
Speaker 2: fifty cents per liter. And I've also had cute little
Speaker 2: names that he hates because they not just sum up,
Speaker 2: but they stick like each way elbow because remember he
Speaker 2: likes to have it both ways. Say one thing before
Speaker 2: an election, do one thing after, Say one thing in December,
Speaker 2: do something different in January. And then there was all
Speaker 2: that time he was spending overseas. Remember of us, albow
Speaker 2: was anywhere but Australia for a big portion of his
Speaker 2: Prime ministership, not to mention upgrade elbow after he of
Speaker 2: course was using his connections at corners to get himself
Speaker 2: and his family better flights for things that had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with business. And then, of course there's Albonomics,
Speaker 2: which is the reality that despite promising to make everything better,
Speaker 2: it all got worse. Albinomics has produced one point two
Speaker 2: trillion dollars of federal debt and that is to be paid.
Speaker 1: By your kids.
Speaker 2: Meantime, a lot of what I end up doing is
Speaker 2: pushing back against the media, and for it, I can
Speaker 2: feel the sword that hangs over the top of me,
Speaker 2: desperate to try to strike, and it might be something
Speaker 2: say media Watch or the different media columns, or angry
Speaker 2: old school reporters, because I call out the bs when
Speaker 2: it comes to the media. But more importantly, I don't
Speaker 2: just make it up. I show you, so you'd have
Speaker 2: to come to this conclusion. Why, because we show the
Speaker 2: tapes right now. You may remember that we have been
Speaker 2: keeping track of every single financial statement and promise made
Speaker 2: by Anthony Albanezi in the shadow campaign since the start
Speaker 2: of the year all the way through to today, and
Speaker 2: keeping count that is now forty six point three billion dollars.
Speaker 2: And again, just in case you think I'm making up
Speaker 2: the numbers here, he is divving those numbers up. Since
Speaker 2: the first of January this year.
Speaker 6: A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million
Speaker 6: dollars ten million dollar, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars,
Speaker 6: three hundred and fifty million dollar, two billion dollars, thirty
Speaker 6: seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar,
Speaker 6: two point four billion dollars, eight point five billion dollar,
Speaker 6: four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point
Speaker 6: four billion dollars, two point eight billion dollars, two hundred
Speaker 6: million dollar, one hundred and fifty million dollars.
Speaker 2: And sometimes it felt a little bit lonely, and then
Speaker 2: slowly but surely some people have started to notice, and
Speaker 2: they've all done versions of it in their own columns
Speaker 2: or shows on TV and radio.
Speaker 1: And that's awesome, because it is an absolute.
Speaker 2: Point worth mentioning. I'm glad, And again it's not about
Speaker 2: being the traditional owner of this line of our attack.
Speaker 2: It's just about saying, I'm glad that other people have
Speaker 2: noticed that this is an awful lot of money, which,
Speaker 2: of course is all on the credit card. Why, because
Speaker 2: we're in a budget deficit where we will be in
Speaker 2: one for ten years. The Intergenerational Report says that we're
Speaker 2: going to be one way through to the twenty sixties.
Speaker 2: So with great interest, I noticed in the Channel nine
Speaker 2: newspapers today, this time from the Age, that they have
Speaker 2: now launched online keeping count of Labor and the coalition's
Speaker 2: spending promises. Thinking, well, okay, forty six point three billion
Speaker 2: dollars in the shadow campaign, mixed into the budget and
Speaker 2: out through.
Speaker 1: To the campaign.
Speaker 2: But guess what, According to the Channel line papers, it
Speaker 2: is the coalition that is out spending the Labor Party,
Speaker 2: apparently all of those in the anouncements, which clearly were
Speaker 2: announcements about the future, not about this year into the future.
Speaker 1: Forty six point three billion dollars. No, no, no, he's.
Speaker 2: Apparently only promised four hundred and four million dollars. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's the coalition that's pissing money up against the wall
Speaker 2: at one point six billion dollars. Again, this is how
Speaker 2: they spin that when they want to make a too little,
Speaker 2: too late tax card of twelve dollars a week for
Speaker 2: people earning forty thousand dollars. They want to make that
Speaker 2: scene big, Well, they just put it all together and
Speaker 2: give you the fifty two week number. But nobody pays
Speaker 2: their tax that way. You pay it when you get
Speaker 2: paid weekly, fortnightly or monthly. When they talk about the
Speaker 2: interest rate reduction, they don't talk about the tens of
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars extra that you have had to find
Speaker 2: to pay off your mortgage since this bloke became prime minister.
Speaker 2: When they talk about the inflation numbers, it's only the
Speaker 2: last month that matters, not the three years of mega increases.
Speaker 2: That all add up to a scenario where you are
Speaker 2: way out of pocket and they don't remember, or they
Speaker 2: choose not to remember, that fifteen hundred dollars that was
Speaker 2: taken off ten minion workers. So, despite all the promises,
Speaker 2: is anyone fifteen hundred dollars better off than they were
Speaker 2: at the start of this government?
Speaker 1: Answer?
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: Instead, what they've done is they've divvy that money up
Speaker 2: and slowly but surely, this way, this way, this way,
Speaker 2: this way, so they can run the TV ads saying,
Speaker 2: look what we've done, ding.
Speaker 1: Ding ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 2: But the reality is fifteen hundred dollars worse off ten
Speaker 2: million workers more than forty six billion dollars in promises
Speaker 2: since the faux campaign and the real campaign. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but we're only counting from after the election was officially started.
Speaker 2: Why because that makes the Libs look worse. Now there
Speaker 2: will be people who obviously don't know the data that
Speaker 2: you know, have not been keeping score like we have
Speaker 2: been keeping score, and we'll look at this and go
Speaker 2: cheas Peter doesn't.
Speaker 1: How dare you?
Speaker 2: But once again this is the Prime Minister his own words.
Speaker 2: All of these announcements were forward looking, no reference to
Speaker 2: previous money. It was all future money, and it was
Speaker 2: either money that was due to be spent after the
Speaker 2: first of July this year or after the first of
Speaker 2: July next year, or after the first July the year
Speaker 2: after that, or even the first of July after that.
Speaker 6: A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million dollars,
Speaker 6: ten million dollars, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars,
Speaker 6: three hundred and fifty million dollar, two billion dollars, thirty
Speaker 6: seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar,
Speaker 6: two point four billion dollars, eight point five billion dollar,
Speaker 6: four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point
Speaker 6: four billion dollars two point eight billion dollars two hundred
Speaker 6: million dollar one hundred and fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh don't know.
Speaker 2: It's the coalition that is outspending labor, according to the
Speaker 2: nine newspapers who decided only counts after the election was called.
Speaker 2: Please another thing that I do have expertise in, because again,
Speaker 2: all I ever dreamt of as a kid was the
Speaker 2: ability to one day work on the radio and maybe
Speaker 2: work on the telly because I look like this. I
Speaker 2: never had any dreams of TV. But luckily that's all
Speaker 2: worked out. And I've been sitting here for fifteen years.
Speaker 2: I've worked in AM radio, FM, radio programs, news. I've
Speaker 2: been out and about at those press conferences holding up
Speaker 2: the microphone, and I've been asking questions from behind a camera.
Speaker 2: And you can agree or disagree with all of the
Speaker 2: things that I've done in those but I have been
Speaker 2: around plenty. I've been around plenty of federal elections and
Speaker 2: state elections, and I know how the machine works. I
Speaker 2: know that the single most corrosive factor in politics is
Speaker 2: people who play for access. Don't upset the apple cart
Speaker 2: because then whoever the powerful is, they mightn't talk to
Speaker 2: you again, which is why I enjoy this place where
Speaker 2: I don't care about these people. I don't need to
Speaker 2: talk to them. The show is not filled with politician interviews,
Speaker 2: which means for many, not every but many give and
Speaker 2: take a little bit to make sure that they keep
Speaker 2: returning new calls. But one of the ways that you
Speaker 2: can tell which way the collective media is going to
Speaker 2: maintain their access is about the types of questions that
Speaker 2: they ask. The people who are in power now, regardless
Speaker 2: of the polls. Just have a listen to some of
Speaker 2: the questions that the Prime Minister gets, and all of
Speaker 2: them are basically soft lobs for him to hit back
Speaker 2: in the direction of his political opponents. You see, they
Speaker 2: don't want to upset the apple cart because they want access.
Speaker 2: They want it through the campaign and for them fingers
Speaker 2: crossed the next three years of an Elbow administration.
Speaker 8: If we are to see widescale tariffs announce tomorrow, is
Speaker 8: the government prepared to offer industry support to the industries
Speaker 8: that are affected.
Speaker 5: So there was a real wage increase last year for
Speaker 5: low paid workers three point seven percent.
Speaker 9: How are you going to show that you're standing up
Speaker 9: to Trump.
Speaker 7: Can you see a realistic scenario whether Liberals hold no
Speaker 7: seats in Melbourne after the election.
Speaker 4: Why is this election not as slamm don't you?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Let's compare how the conversation goes when it comes to
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton. I spoke about this after our People's forum
Speaker 2: because you could see that when he was seeing an
Speaker 2: audience that was more receptive, he fired up and he
Speaker 2: had a great night in terms of.
Speaker 1: Answering those people's questions.
Speaker 2: And because the Peter Dutton's not allowed to get out
Speaker 2: of first gear, because then he becomes a threat to
Speaker 2: the access, a threat to.
Speaker 1: The comfortable arrangements.
Speaker 2: These are the questions that they lobb at the bloke
Speaker 2: that they think can't win the election, and they never
Speaker 2: let him get on offense. They only try to keep
Speaker 2: him on defense.
Speaker 7: Which forty one thousand of them might not have a
Speaker 7: job in six weeks.
Speaker 10: So you're going to apologize for your previous comments that
Speaker 10: have inflamed so many in the Muslim communities.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us how intense your fights with Barnaby are?
Speaker 8: How can you be taken seriously in the Pacific if
Speaker 8: all of your policies.
Speaker 1: Ama them.
Speaker 2: And if that's not enough, the access game means that
Speaker 2: if you play nice, they give you x exclusives like
Speaker 2: this one that was handed to one of the Channel
Speaker 2: nine reporters just before their bulletin last night, No Questions
Speaker 2: asked Quick Breaking News Live to our political editor Charles
Speaker 2: Croucher in Melbourne, Charles, Good evening, you have some figures
Speaker 2: on the cost of Peter Dutton's nuclear plan.
Speaker 5: Good evening.
Speaker 11: Yeah, these are new costings or a new analysi that's
Speaker 11: been done by the Labor Party and will form part
Speaker 11: of their argument going forward against nuclear power. They say,
Speaker 11: because of the modeling of Peter Dutton's nuclear policy, less
Speaker 11: energy will need to be used and that will cost
Speaker 11: jobs in heavy industry and aluminium thirteen and a half
Speaker 11: thousand jobs, including some in tom Ago in New South Wales.
Speaker 2: Now, even though we know it is a bit of
Speaker 2: a lifty, does anyone believe that Lori Oaks would have
Speaker 2: done that just before the six pm news? You see,
Speaker 2: this gallery is full of people who haven't gone around
Speaker 2: the sun enough times to have covered many elections, so
Speaker 2: they are exposed to the first time of this raw
Speaker 2: power of how good it is to be close to
Speaker 2: the source of power to do their bidding, either directly
Speaker 2: or indirectly. Now, it doesn't mean that we should live
Speaker 2: in a North Korean state where you don't have tough
Speaker 2: questions for either leaders. Of course, not we should have
Speaker 2: a press that wants to ask an uncomfortable question. But
Speaker 2: when they're essentially when you look at the majority of them,
Speaker 2: they're very obviously soft to one side, hard to another, Well,
Speaker 2: then it's pretty obvious what they're trying to do. Just
Speaker 2: like I told you out of the People's Forum, when
Speaker 2: all of those reporters were sitting and watching, they were
Speaker 2: there not to cover what he was saying, but instead
Speaker 2: they were there to watch for a protester or a gaff,
Speaker 2: neither of which happened, which meant it died the second
Speaker 2: that we went off the air. Another example about this
Speaker 2: is the much discussed National Press Club. Now, the National
Speaker 2: Press Club is of course an absolute home game for
Speaker 2: the Labor Party generally speaking. Why because it is the
Speaker 2: Canbra collective, they get to ask one question each or,
Speaker 2: in this case today, because it was Angus Taylor and
Speaker 2: they don't think he'll be the treasurer after the election,
Speaker 2: Well they could just ask as many questions as they want,
Speaker 2: But geez, I wonder who these people.
Speaker 1: Are voting for.
Speaker 9: Danny Daniel from the Camera Times thank you you speech,
Speaker 9: you said in a podcast interview that Elon Musk is
Speaker 9: doing good work. Can you share by Can you share
Speaker 9: what you'd like to emulate by way of Trump style
Speaker 9: dogie cuts to the Australian public service and specifically which
Speaker 9: programs you would cut if elected, given Peter Dutton's ruled
Speaker 9: out cutting frontline services or defense, which are among the
Speaker 9: forty one thousand roles created this term. And can you
Speaker 9: guarantee that these cuts will result in net savings to
Speaker 9: the budget and not be outweighed by increased spending on
Speaker 9: external consultants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the number of questions there, So I'll try
Speaker 2: to break them down a bit.
Speaker 1: I use Starlink.
Speaker 6: I live about an hour from here, and I've got
Speaker 6: to tell you it has changed.
Speaker 2: The way the internet works for me, my family and
Speaker 2: people around me.
Speaker 1: It is unbelievable. Okay.
Speaker 2: So that question was from the Canberra Times, and the
Speaker 2: question was multifaceted, and you can see how they tried
Speaker 2: to link a few things in together. Now he spoke
Speaker 2: about the starlink technology, which is where thousands of people
Speaker 2: around the country the way they get their Internet is
Speaker 2: direct communication to a satellite. Now, I've seen these in
Speaker 2: caravan parks all over Australia.
Speaker 1: When we were in Port.
Speaker 2: Headland in Western Australia, went into the Harvey Norman there
Speaker 2: and they were selling like a hundred of these a week.
Speaker 1: People can't get enough of them. Why because for them.
Speaker 2: In particular regions, it's the best way of connecting to
Speaker 2: the Internet. So he spoke as a person who lives
Speaker 2: in a pery urban area that that's his connection to
Speaker 2: the Internet. But because they also threw in all of
Speaker 2: those other questions, guess what the headline looked like. Now
Speaker 2: I showed you the question and his answer, Angus Taylor
Speaker 2: praises Elon Musk Comma and there's a lot of work
Speaker 2: being done on that. Comma confirms Spenny cuts in National
Speaker 2: Thirst Club address, making it seem like he was standing
Speaker 2: there and praising Elon Musk for the public service.
Speaker 1: Cuts in the United States, which brings me to this way.
Speaker 2: Now I've spoken about it for a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: because I can see where this thing is going, and
Speaker 2: you can see that the media is desperate to turn
Speaker 2: the conversation into not one of a contest between a
Speaker 2: prime minister who last election promised to bring down the
Speaker 2: cost of a living, yet three years later the cost
Speaker 2: of living went through the roof.
Speaker 1: Who took fifteen.
Speaker 2: Hundred dollars off ten million workers, only to hand it
Speaker 2: back in a five dollars tax cut that kicks in
Speaker 2: not this year, but next year. They don't want a
Speaker 2: conversation with a comparison between a prime minister who had
Speaker 2: points between fifty and sixty percent of the country says's
Speaker 2: doing a poor or very poor job, and the bloke
Speaker 2: who's been holding him to account, the guy who had
Speaker 2: the courage to say no to a referendum, which was
Speaker 2: Albo's moment in history, and he was able to fight
Speaker 2: sixty forty years into sixty forty No, on and o. Instead,
Speaker 2: it's all about Trump. The desperate want of this government
Speaker 2: and its mates in the media is to somehow make
Speaker 2: this election a referendum not on the performance of the
Speaker 2: government of the past three years, or who do you
Speaker 2: trust to put the country back on track for the
Speaker 2: next three years. No, apparently it's all about voting against
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Jeez, they're really subtle too.
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton is going to back Trump over Australia.
Speaker 12: This is Dojie Dutton taking his cues, his instructions and
Speaker 12: his policies straight from the US in a way that
Speaker 12: will make Australians worse off.
Speaker 6: We don't have to adopt all of America's policies.
Speaker 9: I think copying policies from another country, in particularly the
Speaker 9: United States, isn't really applicable.
Speaker 2: And the people who used to work for Get Up
Speaker 2: who now work for other independent organizations, will they offer
Speaker 2: you the ability to make this message nic and clear
Speaker 2: by being able to buy posters that you can put
Speaker 2: on top of Liberal Party posters that make it seem
Speaker 2: like Peter Dutten is all in on MAGA just in
Speaker 2: case it's not subtle enough. I'm totally sure that's legal,
Speaker 2: but we'll see what happens in the next of a while.
Speaker 2: But these are other games that get Up used to play.
Speaker 2: But of course they're not get Up anymore, are they.
Speaker 2: And that's because the reality is the majority of Australians
Speaker 2: don't like Donald Trump. Now I know that that means
Speaker 2: I'm not where the majority of Australians are. In fact,
Speaker 2: something like sixty percent of Australians have a negative view
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump right now. So for the people who
Speaker 2: say he should be more trumpy, well, they would lose
Speaker 2: more seats than they would gain at the next upcoming election.
Speaker 2: That's just the electoral truth right. In fact, an opinion
Speaker 2: poll that came out just last week showed us that
Speaker 2: Donald Trump annoys more people than the sense of cost
Speaker 2: of living. So that is exactly what Albo is trying
Speaker 2: to make it about. Don't make a cost of living,
Speaker 2: which is clearly the number one election issue and also
Speaker 2: the number two issue that bugers people off.
Speaker 1: Instead focus on.
Speaker 2: The one lives in the White House and the media.
Speaker 2: Will they do their bid? Of course too do the
Speaker 2: government's bidding. And it's more exciting to talk about global
Speaker 2: affairs than boring old Australian politics, which is why they
Speaker 2: always talk about Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: If they come in, will you blame Donald Trump?
Speaker 8: If we are to see WI widescale tariffs announce tomorrow,
Speaker 8: how are.
Speaker 9: You going to show that you're standing up to Trump?
Speaker 12: There are daily conversations happening on tariffs.
Speaker 11: Donald Trump is always up for a phone conversation and
Speaker 11: a good negotiation, and.
Speaker 1: They're going to get what they want.
Speaker 2: Why because in the next twenty four hours we will
Speaker 2: know just what type of tariffs, how many tariffs, and
Speaker 2: what they will apply to. Because Donald Trump has said
Speaker 2: whether it's friend or foe, everyone's going to have to
Speaker 2: pay for access to the American market. The media, who
Speaker 2: have already set this up for weeks, will try to
Speaker 2: distract from the federal election for the next few weeks.
Speaker 13: Now.
Speaker 1: Of course, Peter Dutton.
Speaker 2: Has made it very clear that he's not Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: and today in an interview with Andrew Clenell, he said
Speaker 2: this very clearly, but I noticed none of this turned
Speaker 2: up on your six PM news tonight.
Speaker 7: Ultimately, what people want is a prime minister who can
Speaker 7: stand up for our country, and what they've seen in
Speaker 7: Anthony Albenezi is somebody who doesn't have the strength or
Speaker 7: the backbone or the will to stand up for our
Speaker 7: country's interests. He can't stand up to China at the
Speaker 7: moment with Donald Trump. If I needed to have a
Speaker 7: fight with Donald Trump or any other world leader to
Speaker 7: advance our nation's interests, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: Just like the pub test, because there was no protester
Speaker 2: and there was no gaff, it didn't happen, and him
Speaker 2: saying that he was willing to pick a fight with
Speaker 2: Donald Trump it didn't happen in the six pm news tonight. Jeez,
Speaker 2: I wonder why. I also noticed that none of those
Speaker 2: reporters are asking the Prime Minister when are you going
Speaker 2: to go to Queensland.
Speaker 1: You were more than happy to pretend that you had
Speaker 1: some sort of.
Speaker 2: A role when it came to the response to extropical
Speaker 2: cyclone Alfred. But he has not gone anywhere near and apparently,
Speaker 2: according to my information, no plans in the next couple
Speaker 2: of days at least what we know to be as
Speaker 2: public schedule, to be going anywhere near these floods that
Speaker 2: are going.
Speaker 1: To cause huge trouble.
Speaker 2: In fact, are causing huge trouble, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand head of cattle dead. The effects of this are
Speaker 2: going to scar the land and scar those businesses for
Speaker 2: what may be months or even years. Joe Tully is
Speaker 2: a Queensland farmer. He is somebody who has been deeply
Speaker 2: affected by all of this, and he joins us now, Joe,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that we talk under these circumstances, mate, but
Speaker 2: tell me about how much water is all over your
Speaker 2: joint and what you've lost, Paul.
Speaker 10: The water is slightly receding. It's been coming back for
Speaker 10: a couple of days now, but it's still running. It's
Speaker 10: not running under our house, but it's running on the
Speaker 10: paths and all that beside it. It was a record
Speaker 10: flood for us and pulled up just short of of
Speaker 10: going into our house. So yeah, it's run through. It's
Speaker 10: still so high that I'm yet to know what has
Speaker 10: done to all the fences and that sort of thing.
Speaker 10: But yeah, it'll be at least another week before it
Speaker 10: goes down. And the same thing with stock. We've had
Speaker 10: significant stock losses on our place and and yeah, we're
Speaker 10: still still working out and again it'll take a long
Speaker 10: time to figure out exactly what we've lost.
Speaker 1: How have you been feeding what animals that you can mate?
Speaker 10: We've got great support. Yeah, it's it's an amazing community
Speaker 10: out here and really couldn't be proud of it. The Yeah,
Speaker 10: we've got shy councils and neighbors and that are coordinating
Speaker 10: helicopters and we've had fodder drops with helicopters to to
Speaker 10: stock that a stranded on islands. And and then it
Speaker 10: is making a difference. They need it, and and yeah,
Speaker 10: it's been very very much appreciated.
Speaker 1: I'm political.
Speaker 2: You're not not trying to drag you into my black
Speaker 2: hole of politics here. But do you feel like when
Speaker 2: you saw what happened in Southeast Queensland, the rolling coverage
Speaker 2: politicians all day every day, do you feel as supported?
Speaker 6: Mate?
Speaker 10: We're obviously pretty busy out here and there's a lot happening.
Speaker 10: I haven't been watching the news too much, but I am.
Speaker 10: I am feeling a lot of support. Hey, it's certainly
Speaker 10: from our local community and neighbors and all that. And
Speaker 10: yeah again just getting those those fodder drops. And there's
Speaker 10: so many things happening out here to try and all
Speaker 10: these communities to cut off the roads are cut and yeah,
Speaker 10: there are things happening and you know so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, as I said, I'm going to bring you
Speaker 1: into politics.
Speaker 2: Are just trying to have a chat bloke to bloke
Speaker 2: you so well avoided, But Joe, I want to talk
Speaker 2: to you again. We don't know how many head that
Speaker 2: you may well have lost here. Some expectations are across
Speaker 2: the whole region up to one hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 1: This sort of.
Speaker 2: Stuff has mega impacts on your business, doesn't it.
Speaker 10: Absolutely where I'm still building up our numbers from the
Speaker 10: previous droughts, but we've sort of got back to where
Speaker 10: we wanted to be. We're down probably at least five
Speaker 10: hundred sheep and not really sure cattle, could be up
Speaker 10: to one hundred cattle. And we're probably one of the
Speaker 10: lucky ones. There's people upstream from us that in our
Speaker 10: particular creek and and all of them across the across
Speaker 10: these shires that some of these people have lost half
Speaker 10: of their stock. And for those people, they need some
Speaker 10: serious help.
Speaker 9: Like the.
Speaker 10: Pretty hard to come back from that, whereas we'll recover
Speaker 10: little satisfacked years, but but no really feeling for all
Speaker 10: those people that are severely affected.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Just having a look at the video that I think
Speaker 2: is from you, you had to get around on jet skis.
Speaker 1: That was the way that you were checking things out.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we've got jet skin in a boat. So our
Speaker 10: house is completely surrounded. It's probably Akilomita either side to
Speaker 10: get out to where we've got a plane and a
Speaker 10: few vehicles that we can go out and start checking things.
Speaker 10: And yeah, the jet ski's about the quickest way to
Speaker 10: get around. So it's an old one, but it's well
Speaker 10: and truly should be a tax deduction.
Speaker 1: Now, when was the last time you used a jet
Speaker 1: ski to get around the property.
Speaker 10: Other than taking my kids skiing on tubes and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I never.
Speaker 2: Wow, Well, thank goodness you had it. We know there's
Speaker 2: plenty of other people this is the way that they're
Speaker 2: getting around. How are your mates holding up? Of those
Speaker 2: that you've been able to talk to, get a quick
Speaker 2: text to, or somehow stayed in touch with, how are
Speaker 2: they holding up?
Speaker 1: Really strong?
Speaker 10: Mate, Hay Like, Yeah, I've never received more phone calls
Speaker 10: and support myself, and I know that everyone else is
Speaker 10: probably in the same boat as that. Neighbors are calling
Speaker 10: every day and offering their health, friends and family. And no,
Speaker 10: it's really great, mate, But it's still in the early
Speaker 10: stages of this thing. You don't have time to think
Speaker 10: about anything at the moment other than just saving your
Speaker 10: stock and getting all that sort of No one's thinking
Speaker 10: too much about fences or all that sort of thing.
Speaker 10: But once all of water resides and people put their
Speaker 10: hardest and soul into exclusion fencing all this area, and
Speaker 10: we could have ten kilometers of fence down. People have
Speaker 10: got fifty kilometers of fence down and yeah, it's devastating.
Speaker 2: All the best to you, Joe, strength and love from
Speaker 2: all of us who've just met you here tonight and
Speaker 2: everyone who knows you. They'll be proud that you're on
Speaker 2: the telly right now. Lots of people watching in that
Speaker 2: part if they can. And all the best to your
Speaker 2: family as well.
Speaker 1: Mate, Thank very much.
Speaker 10: Paul, good talking to you, mate.
Speaker 2: Good on you, Joe, Joe Tully, they're rolling around. How's
Speaker 2: that getting around the farm on the jet ski. He's
Speaker 2: told you about the losses a strong people. It is
Speaker 2: part of rural life. But to all of those that
Speaker 2: are suffering, we think of you each and every day,
Speaker 2: and we'll keep checking in until we know you're okay.
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Speaker 2: no sooks, no lefties, plenty to fire up about and
Speaker 2: the great Meghan Kelly just getting started on a Wednesday night.
Speaker 2: No sooks, no lefties, That's the way that we like it.
Speaker 2: Don't forget we've got this a little event happening next Tuesday.
Speaker 2: The first time and only confirm that the leaders will
Speaker 2: be in the same place at the same time Tuesday night.
Speaker 1: The results, by the way.
Speaker 2: Here on Paul Murray Live nine o'clock Australian Eastern daylight
Speaker 2: time BROBA, Bishop Gary Hardgrave. Well, they've been in and
Speaker 2: out of the in and out of the election, not
Speaker 2: just on a show on four BC, not just in
Speaker 2: the streets. But they're in it tonight and there's plenty
Speaker 2: to talk about with both of them. I'm so glad
Speaker 2: that they are here. But before I get to that,
Speaker 2: can we talk about this school in Sydney that's decided.
Speaker 1: It's okay if you don't want to attend the Anzac
Speaker 1: Day services.
Speaker 2: Now I do not understand how officials the new so
Speaker 2: I was Education Department have not come down and said.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, not happening. You have to
Speaker 1: turn up. Why is this happening?
Speaker 13: Unfortunately the left of politics socialists really like to break
Speaker 13: down the social fabric of the culture of a nation.
Speaker 13: It's innate in the nature of their politics. Now, in
Speaker 13: this particular instance, what should be the case is when
Speaker 13: Anzac Day is commemorated, and we're commemorating dead and those
Speaker 13: who served, that it is compulsory to turn up if
Speaker 13: a parent withhold their child, and that's in defiance, not
Speaker 13: because it has been sanctioned. A big difference between those
Speaker 13: two things, and it is important in my view that
Speaker 13: we do really kick up a big stink about it
Speaker 13: because it's part of our culture. This is when we
Speaker 13: as a nation and we commemorate Gallipoli because that's the
Speaker 13: time as a nation we went to war. Yes, we
Speaker 13: as a nation we had troops there in the Boar
Speaker 13: War and that was important too, but Galliperly was such
Speaker 13: a dramatic thing to happen to us that it set
Speaker 13: the tone that we will always say thank you to
Speaker 13: those people who will put their lives on the line
Speaker 13: without questioning absolutely.
Speaker 1: And I mean, Gary love the country.
Speaker 2: What I love here is nobody woke up today thinking
Speaker 2: that this was something that we'd have to talk about.
Speaker 2: But if you do talk about it like we talk
Speaker 2: about it, we're involved in a culture.
Speaker 4: War well and we should be waging one. If that
Speaker 4: is the case, Paul, these kids should want to go there.
Speaker 4: They should actually understand how the backstory that Brahmins has
Speaker 4: talked about. It's incredibly important kids understand that everything in
Speaker 4: Australia today has been one off the effort of those
Speaker 4: willing to shed blood. We should pay tribute to all
Speaker 4: of those twenty years ago today that dreadful accident that
Speaker 4: occurred up in Indonesia as they are on a humanitarian
Speaker 4: mission and we lost nine personnel, six out of the Navy,
Speaker 4: three out of the air Force. I mean, we should
Speaker 4: not forget anybody who's fallen in our name in other places,
Speaker 4: and so the kids should want to go. And so
Speaker 4: this is a fundamental failure of our education system. It's
Speaker 4: a fundamental failure, frankly of a Prime minister who has
Speaker 4: forgotten what the Australian flag looks like and prefers to
Speaker 4: use other flags to actually divide Australia. And so this
Speaker 4: sort of division is hurting us. And our kids are
Speaker 4: better than this, Paul. Most kids are the few that
Speaker 4: aren't draw attention to themselves and they can be dealt with.
Speaker 4: But this is borderline sedition that's going on here, and
Speaker 4: we should call it out for what it is treachery
Speaker 4: to brand Australia, our nation, our heritage and everything we
Speaker 4: stand for.
Speaker 2: Yep, with you, let's see where this is in twenty
Speaker 2: four hours Premier Mens, Deputy Premier prow Car and Education Minister.
Speaker 2: Let's see where you are with a prime minister and
Speaker 2: Peter didn't get asked anything. But of course it'll all
Speaker 2: be Trump in the next twenty four hours. Bro, Let's
Speaker 2: talk realistically. Can Trump sink Peter Dunton and the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party if the next couple of weeks is nothing but
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and the media trying to turn this
Speaker 2: election as opposed to our government, but turning it into
Speaker 2: a personality and popularity contest with the bloke that we
Speaker 2: know the majority of Australians don't like.
Speaker 13: I think there are a couple of important points to
Speaker 13: make here that the tariff question is masking what is
Speaker 13: the real issues we're being faced with.
Speaker 1: We've got a.
Speaker 13: Prime Minister who's prepared to be all matcho or pretend
Speaker 13: to be matcho about taking on Trump's tariffs, but is
Speaker 13: not prepared to stand up to the Chinese absolutely leader
Speaker 13: of the Communist Party that wants to expand in our region.
Speaker 1: And they're interference in our election.
Speaker 13: Rest and yet he's not prepared to stand up to that.
Speaker 13: Now they are actually doing things in a military way
Speaker 13: that is harming our personnel. The aircraft that was had the.
Speaker 1: The shafts thrown into it.
Speaker 13: I'm going to call it that because that's what it was,
Speaker 13: which could have killed them, the naval man who was
Speaker 13: diving who was injured as a result of those sonic
Speaker 13: boom being carried out. So and the joking commentary that
Speaker 13: the Prime Minister makes about the reconnaissance or research ship
Speaker 13: not a spy ship, well, please tell me if you're
Speaker 13: a spy, aren't you doing reconnaissance and research.
Speaker 1: And pretends that what we're doing in and around it
Speaker 1: is trying to see. Oh, it's all it's all the same.
Speaker 13: It's not. So we've got that problem now with regard
Speaker 13: to tariffs. The best response to that is how can
Speaker 13: we assist our people who are going to be affected
Speaker 13: by them, give them an offset. The best thing you
Speaker 13: can poss we do in the world is lower energy
Speaker 13: costs for them. That would actually take the edge of
Speaker 13: the tariff. That is something you can do immediately. It's
Speaker 13: like mister Dartan's promise to have the tax on petrol
Speaker 13: and understand an excise is attack.
Speaker 1: It's a tax. It's a fuel tax exactly.
Speaker 13: It's just a sort of tax that it is, so
Speaker 13: that's an immediate thing. So when we come to the
Speaker 13: failure of the Prime Minister to stand up to Z,
Speaker 13: it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth when Z
Speaker 13: then comes out and says, oh, well we back Albanese now,
Speaker 13: would you have thought perhaps that it was calculated that
Speaker 13: if they were apologistic and apologizing for the actions of
Speaker 13: the Chinese, that they just might get that reaction.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's possible?
Speaker 2: But also they realize, right, you stand up to them
Speaker 2: head on the spike, you give them what they want,
Speaker 2: oh keep them going, and we know that there's different
Speaker 2: ways that that message gets community.
Speaker 13: In the meantime, we're losing sovereignty absolutely.
Speaker 2: And Gary your sense about this here, because I mean
Speaker 2: you've already heard the talking points, have already shown you
Speaker 2: the media obsession. We know where this goes and is
Speaker 2: it going to blow the Libs off?
Speaker 4: Course, Peter Dutton's has got to be Peter Dutton, the
Speaker 4: real Peter Dutton actually is a very attractive commodity.
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton will.
Speaker 4: Stand up for Australia. It's interesting the point Robin makes
Speaker 4: about the Chinese, because they sought permission and got it
Speaker 4: from the New Zealand government for that same research vessel
Speaker 4: to be in New Zealand waters. And yet this Prime Minister,
Speaker 4: Anthony Alberniz, he says he didn't know about it. But
Speaker 4: I think he is lying about it just as much,
Speaker 4: just as much as he's lied about the price of
Speaker 4: power going down, just as much as he's lied about
Speaker 4: everything he promised to do. This bloke is just a
Speaker 4: perennial liar. And I know people in politics are often
Speaker 4: badge that way, but this fellow, I think is not
Speaker 4: told the truth.
Speaker 1: He's not told the truth.
Speaker 4: Chinese sought permission from New Zealand but didn't seek permission
Speaker 4: from us. He's got a problem with Beijing if they
Speaker 4: haven't wrung him up the way that they've. Wellington got
Speaker 4: a phone call from Beijing. So look, you know all
Speaker 4: of this is just subterfuge. Paul, your editorial was spot on.
Speaker 4: This is all about creating a bigger lie to cover
Speaker 4: all of their lives. And the reality is this, are
Speaker 4: you better off than you're worth three years ago? If
Speaker 4: the answer is yes, you vote labor. If it's not,
Speaker 4: you just vote against labor. This mob should be turfed out,
Speaker 4: and in big numbers we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I got ninety seconds, so forty five each year. John
Speaker 2: Howard pretty clear today when he was talking about that
Speaker 2: Anthony Abneze is out of his depth.
Speaker 1: Did you agree?
Speaker 13: Of course I did. I mean, I think I've been
Speaker 13: saying some of the things all along. Was a very
Speaker 13: succinct way of putting it. But I think we also
Speaker 13: need to put accent on the things that are in
Speaker 13: the Parliament now which have been rejected to date, like
Speaker 13: nature positive yes, like having the tax placed on capital
Speaker 13: game sex based on unrealized capital gains. And that incidentally
Speaker 13: is an idea they pitched from Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: Of course, that was part of her.
Speaker 13: Policy tax unrealized capital games. So don't tell me that
Speaker 13: they are an original looking after Australians, they're not.
Speaker 2: Well, Gary's already ready to do an outside broadcast when
Speaker 2: Kamala rolls into the Gold Coast in a few weeks time.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, no, no, not thank you.
Speaker 4: But look either way, she'll need an autoque wherever she goes,
Speaker 4: you know, a device in front of us so she
Speaker 4: can to read her script and laugh here sort of thing. Look,
Speaker 4: the thing is that John Howd as a patriot, continues
Speaker 4: to be Peter Dutton wants to be like John Howd.
Speaker 4: Australia will be well served with Peter Dutton as Prime Minister.
Speaker 4: I hope he gets there. It's a long way to go.
Speaker 4: Get busy, people get busy.
Speaker 2: I say, that's it. Fight, fight, fight, It's the way
Speaker 2: it goes. Thank you guys to appreciate it. We'll see
Speaker 2: you all again very soon. Gary of course on the radio,
Speaker 2: and four we see each and every afternoon from three.
Speaker 2: Meghan Kelly's next, No sooks, no lefties, just the way
Speaker 2: you like it. It's our favorite time of the week
Speaker 2: to talk to our favorite person in the world. As always,
Speaker 2: the wonderful Meghan Kelly. Meghan Gaday, Hi, how are you well?
Speaker 1: Good? But I've got to say our country is a little.
Speaker 2: On knife edge tonight because you know I'm pro Trump.
Speaker 2: You know I've got the hat. You know I know
Speaker 2: why he won and why that was a great thing
Speaker 2: last year. But Liberation Day is a little bit different
Speaker 2: on this side of the ocean compared to how it's
Speaker 2: going to be played out in the White House. What
Speaker 2: is your sense of how average Americans react to the
Speaker 2: president and all of these tariffs which are going to
Speaker 2: make countries like ours send maybe a little less your way.
Speaker 3: I thought you were talking about Transliberation Day, and I
Speaker 3: was going to say, I'm sure you celebrated the same
Speaker 3: way I did, with full, wholeheartedly marching and putting on
Speaker 3: our drag over opposite sex sports. No, the tariffs, well,
Speaker 3: he doesn't have a lot of support for them. I
Speaker 3: don't think it's only like a strain of the Maga
Speaker 3: faithful that's in favor of them. Plus the labor unions,
Speaker 3: some of them seem to be in favor. But I
Speaker 3: personally am interested in trying this experiment, Paul, because here's
Speaker 3: the thing. We really do have trade deficits with a
Speaker 3: number of countries in which, like it feels somewhat like
Speaker 3: our friends are taking advantage of us. And I understand
Speaker 3: that that too might fail as a justification for a
Speaker 3: retaliatory tariff. It might like economists, some economists say you
Speaker 3: still shouldn't do it. It's still better for you not
Speaker 3: to do it. But the New York Times did a
Speaker 3: deep dive into, for example, the tariffs against Mexico about
Speaker 3: three weeks ago, and what they concluded is that good
Speaker 3: luck finding a fentanyl lab right now in Mexico. They've
Speaker 3: disappeared because finally Shinbaum, afraid of these two griffs and
Speaker 3: under them, has decided she actually does need to do
Speaker 3: something about the southern border and the flux of immigrants
Speaker 3: coming across it. And so they're closing up shop. These
Speaker 3: cartel members are shutting down the fentanyl labs, and our
Speaker 3: tariffs against them are working, and we've ruffled some feathers
Speaker 3: amongst our friends right especially like Canada. But I think
Speaker 3: Trump's general policy when it comes to dealing with foreign
Speaker 3: countries is you can be a little meaner to our friends,
Speaker 3: and you should be a little nicer to our enemies.
Speaker 3: And it's all a negotiation tactic for the most part,
Speaker 3: to land a deal, to get things to not necessarily
Speaker 3: be exactly what he's demanding, but a little better for
Speaker 3: us than they started.
Speaker 2: You did an excellent interview with the New York Times. Now, this,
Speaker 2: of course is the definition of old school media who
Speaker 2: hate what we stand for and certainly what you do.
Speaker 2: I love that you push right back against some of
Speaker 2: their garbage, and I love that they were sort of
Speaker 2: a little bit confused by who you are right now.
Speaker 2: I think you gave it to them right between the eyes.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't an unpleasant watch.
Speaker 3: It was fascinating to me, Paul, because first of all,
Speaker 3: walking into the New York Times building was amazing. Right,
Speaker 3: It's like, oh my, I'm really going into the belly
Speaker 3: the beast here. Every head in there was like whoa,
Speaker 3: you know, like is that who? I think it is? Right,
Speaker 3: because like they're not used to seeing me there either,
Speaker 3: But look, they treated me well. The bottom line was
Speaker 3: they just don't get it. They don't understand new media.
Speaker 3: They only understand corporate media. And these old rules, these
Speaker 3: anachronistic rules by which we all did once play but
Speaker 3: which they blew up. The rules of not owning your
Speaker 3: own bias and not speaking openly about your own opinion
Speaker 3: on the news worked when we really would collectively move
Speaker 3: to hide our bias and do our level best to
Speaker 3: be fair to both sides. There was a long time
Speaker 3: in journalists where we were at least trying that, maybe
Speaker 3: not succeeding. You know, I mean, you can't tell me
Speaker 3: the year two thousand we were perfect at it, but
Speaker 3: we were a hell of a lot better at it
Speaker 3: than we are now twenty five years later, they changed
Speaker 3: the rules. They were the ones who decided openly lean
Speaker 3: into their bias to write only positive articles about Democrats
Speaker 3: and only negative ones about Republicans. The only time they
Speaker 3: criticize a Democrat in power is when he or she's
Speaker 3: no longer become useful to them and they need to
Speaker 3: get out of the way for someone they consider more
Speaker 3: useful on their team. So it's a completely dishonest setup.
Speaker 3: And then they go out there and try to tell
Speaker 3: us that they're objective and that somebody like you know
Speaker 3: yours truly is not. See, I can't cover Trump fairly
Speaker 3: anymore because I said I'm voting for him, and I
Speaker 3: want other people to vote for him too, So there
Speaker 3: therefore I'm no longer independent, and my audience can't trust
Speaker 3: me to report unfavorably on him when he deserves it.
Speaker 3: And I just I laughed, because it's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: you don't understand. That only gives me more credibility with
Speaker 3: my audience, and not because they need to hear me
Speaker 3: say I like Trump because they want to hear where
Speaker 3: I really stand, whether they like it or not. Those
Speaker 3: are the rules in this lane, and you people at
Speaker 3: the New York Times who won't say who you're voting
Speaker 3: for aren't fooling anyone. So what you have is a
Speaker 3: dishonest relationship. It's like a husband who's cheating on you,
Speaker 3: and he comes home every night and he says, I'm
Speaker 3: not cheating on you. I absolutely love you, honey. We
Speaker 3: have a wonderful marriage. But you know he's cheating on you.
Speaker 3: You have a crappy relationship. And the fact that no
Speaker 3: one's declared it doesn't make it not. So that's the
Speaker 3: New York Times, and it's readers, you know.
Speaker 4: And with me and my audience.
Speaker 1: It's open.
Speaker 3: I tell him everything. And if they want to leave
Speaker 3: me because I'm not cheating but I'm you know, dating
Speaker 3: Orange man, then they can leave me, right. But so
Speaker 3: the ones who remain are there because they know it
Speaker 3: all and they still find me acceptable. But that's the
Speaker 3: only way you can compete in this universe where I am,
Speaker 3: where I'm not just up against fellow journalists, I'm up
Speaker 3: against entertainers. I'm up against comedians. I'm up against so
Speaker 3: many compelling and entertaining and talented options that that's how
Speaker 3: the audience sees me as just like a button they
Speaker 3: can press and they can get the news from me,
Speaker 3: or they can get it from a number of other people.
Speaker 3: So I better have an authentic, good, tight, honest relationship
Speaker 3: with them or they're never going to click on my face.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love having a chat to you each and
Speaker 2: every week. You are our favorite part of every week.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Megan, we love you.
Speaker 3: Love it to Paul. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: She is the best one and only and the only
Speaker 2: place you're going to see here is right here, this Chael,
Speaker 2: this show each and every Wednesday night now or reminder,
Speaker 2: you can always send me an email Paul at skynews
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Speaker 2: stuff and send those emails to me Paul at skynews
Speaker 2: dot com dot au. Looking forward tomorrow night, where we
Speaker 2: will yet again go through the election. But more importantly,
Speaker 2: keep an eye on those who are reporting on this election,
Speaker 2: because geez, I wonder who they're going to be voting
Speaker 2: for late debate next see tomorrow