WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 2 April

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<v Speaker 1>From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll settle for the burger kin, but fair enough. Thank you, Dulla.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very nice for you, all right, Welcome to the show,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the man Cave. We've got an awful lot

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<v Speaker 2>to get to tonight, including no sooks, no lefties. It

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<v Speaker 2>is our gift to you in this the first full

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<v Speaker 2>week of the election campaign. Gary Hardgrave, Bromwin Bishop, giving

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<v Speaker 2>you nothing but the best. Tonight We're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>a chat to somebody who's affected by these Queensland floods.

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<v Speaker 2>They've lost an awful lot of their property but also

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<v Speaker 2>their business and what it's like. I noticed again Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 2>no plans are visiting there. But of course Alfred oh

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<v Speaker 2>that all turned it around for him and the.

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<v Speaker 1>Great fire up.

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<v Speaker 2>Megan Careley the only place you see here on AZTV

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<v Speaker 2>right here tonight walking.

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<v Speaker 3>Into the New York Times building, which was amazing. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my, I'm really going the belly the beast here.

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<v Speaker 3>Every had it in there was like.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, is that who I think?

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<v Speaker 3>It is?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>But first before I get to the politics of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I can talk a lot about that

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about something that is frankly more

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<v Speaker 2>important than what is happening right now in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>the federal election, in part because it is not being

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<v Speaker 2>discussed in the federal election between the two people who

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<v Speaker 2>seek to lead our country in the next little while.

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<v Speaker 1>It's our kids now. I care because I have.

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<v Speaker 2>Two little ones that are in primary school. You care

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<v Speaker 2>because you've probably got two little ones, either in school

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<v Speaker 2>themselves or certainly as grandkids.

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<v Speaker 1>But the truth is that the kids are not all right.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not a scenario where all they needs just

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<v Speaker 2>to go outside and play more and a kick in

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<v Speaker 2>the backside and everything will be all right. No, for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, the society that we all live in has

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<v Speaker 2>created huge troubles. And you would remember that, with great pride,

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<v Speaker 2>we were able to raise a couple of one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars for the good people of the Kid's Helpline.

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<v Speaker 2>This was, of course, during COVID, when people were being

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<v Speaker 2>locked in with their abuses, something that we knew was

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<v Speaker 2>terrible at the time, something that we ended up being

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<v Speaker 2>vindicated by when it came to the information. But all

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<v Speaker 2>of that's years ago. But guess what, the kids are

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<v Speaker 2>still not all right. This service is a vital and

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<v Speaker 2>important one. It's a telephone number that I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to write down tonight. One hundred, double five, one hundred,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred, double five, one eight hundred. I want your

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<v Speaker 2>kids and your grandkids, your nieces, your nephews, the little

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<v Speaker 2>people in your life to know this number because they

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<v Speaker 2>may be willing to tell somebody on a phone or

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<v Speaker 2>as thousands of kids do, they interact via the text

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<v Speaker 2>message versions or their website of kids Helpline dot org,

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<v Speaker 2>that are you. But it means that they will have

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<v Speaker 2>someone there to help at a time when they feel

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<v Speaker 2>they need it. And today there was a report that

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<v Speaker 2>was released by the people who run Kids Help Line,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is about the Kids' Helpline.

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<v Speaker 1>Impact Report four.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year, there were seventy four thousand, six hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty six counseling sessions. Now these either happened online, text

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<v Speaker 2>or over the phone. That is two hundred and four

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<v Speaker 2>people under the age of eighteen that they were able

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<v Speaker 2>sorry twenty five that they were able to connect with

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<v Speaker 2>and take care of and potentially save from what all

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<v Speaker 2>of us would be most scared of. Forty percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the calls or interactions were in relation to somebody thinking

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<v Speaker 2>they were in the last day of their life, thirty

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<v Speaker 2>percent were about the evil things that have been done

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<v Speaker 2>to them, and ten percent was about trying to connect

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes their feelings to what might be happening and give

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<v Speaker 2>them the treatment when it comes to things like mental illness.

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<v Speaker 2>This is more important than Team Red Team Blue. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do all that for you in a second. Eight

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<v Speaker 2>percent come from indigenous communities, thirty eight percent from cultural

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<v Speaker 2>and linguisticly diverse, and I don't know what other means,

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<v Speaker 2>but other would mean the majority of the backgrounds of

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<v Speaker 2>people between the ages of.

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<v Speaker 1>Just three, three and five.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is as the lowest they go to five,

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<v Speaker 2>everything all the way up to university age.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Kids Helpline is part of a service which is

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<v Speaker 2>offered by your town, which is a spectacular community group,

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<v Speaker 2>and forty three percent of its funding that is taking

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<v Speaker 2>and helping two hundred kids a day.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all day, every day, Good Friday, Easter.

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<v Speaker 2>Monday, the twenty fourth of July twenty six for the

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<v Speaker 2>federal government, thirty percent from the state and two percent

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<v Speaker 2>from Australian business, but the bulk of that group as

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<v Speaker 2>you can see is coming from people like you and me. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>previously people have donated when I've asked them to, but

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<v Speaker 2>this is not a call for donations. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>reminder with the platform that I have that there is help.

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<v Speaker 2>Please make sure that the little people in your life

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<v Speaker 2>know this. Telephone number one eight hundred, double five one

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred, one eight hundred, double five one eight hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all the way up to.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody of twenty five years of age. Maybe they don't

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<v Speaker 2>like the phone. Young people don't, so maybe kids Helpline

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<v Speaker 2>dot com that are you is the way to be

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<v Speaker 2>in touch if you can donate at a time when

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<v Speaker 2>I know no one's got any extra money, but those

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<v Speaker 2>who do, please help them out. Two hundred kids every

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<v Speaker 2>single day are reaching out. If your kid, my kid,

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<v Speaker 2>or somebody else's kid needs help and they feel they

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<v Speaker 2>don't get it in the home for whatever reason, these

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<v Speaker 2>people are there to help.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's make sure there are more people there to help.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred double five, one hundred or kids help one

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<v Speaker 2>dot com dot AU. All right, what you came for. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's rip into the election, because we are making our

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<v Speaker 2>way through the first of five weeks of the campaign

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one days to go, most importantly, just twenty days

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<v Speaker 2>until the first votes are cast.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that last two weeks is.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically soaked up by people who've already made their decision,

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<v Speaker 2>and more than half of people are expected to vote

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<v Speaker 2>this time around. As for where the leaders were today,

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton, he was speaking to an Australian family about

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<v Speaker 2>the cost of living issue that is the number one

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<v Speaker 2>issue in the election, no matter how much other people

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<v Speaker 2>try to change the subject. Here he was having a

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<v Speaker 2>chat to them today.

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<v Speaker 5>And the concern is if the government keeps being as well,

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<v Speaker 5>that inflation will go back up and interest rates go

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<v Speaker 5>up again, which I think would be devastating for families,

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<v Speaker 5>particularly if you've got a big morbage as well, and

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<v Speaker 5>then you put all of these bills on top of that.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a big way to be.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister was in relatively unfriendly territory, which is Victoria. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's where a significant number of MPs come from, but

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<v Speaker 2>as i'll explain a little bit later, it is not

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<v Speaker 2>a place where there's an awful lot of votes right now.

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<v Speaker 2>There she was, Penny Wong. But don't you dare ask

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<v Speaker 2>her a question, because then you get this from the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 6>No, because it's my press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the bloke who's apparently winning at this election.

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<v Speaker 2>But forgive me for saying that I think I might

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<v Speaker 2>take up just a little bit of free space in

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<v Speaker 2>the prime Minister's head, because for no reason he brought

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<v Speaker 2>us up and the pub Test in an answer to

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<v Speaker 2>a question that wasn't about anything that happened at the

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<v Speaker 2>pub test. Now, interestingly, the Prime Minister has told the

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<v Speaker 2>people that I work for and anyone that he thinks

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<v Speaker 2>can have influence over my career that you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the worst of the worst, and he doesn't pay attention,

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't listen, and I'm some sort of you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Freak off the leash. But if that's the case, why is.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister talking about the things that happen on

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<v Speaker 2>this program? Again, this was the question that he was

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<v Speaker 2>asked at a press conference today.

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<v Speaker 7>The Coalition has already prempied or matched the number of

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<v Speaker 7>the flages you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Making here, and it including this one year that dirty

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<v Speaker 1>help up ther he will get it regardless.

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<v Speaker 7>Why do you think your promises are enough to bridge

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<v Speaker 7>that apsid cathlete of talkings out?

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<v Speaker 2>So good question? Calls him out on the BS when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to health. But it was in Tasmania about Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 2>But watch how, just out of nowhere he makes reference

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<v Speaker 2>to Peter Dutton and the pub test.

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<v Speaker 6>This is the guy who said, along with the Coalition

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<v Speaker 6>last time they came into government, there'd be no cuts

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<v Speaker 6>to health and no cuts to education. They read fifty

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<v Speaker 6>billion dollars out of health. They tried to stop bulk

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<v Speaker 6>billing all together when he was the health minister. They

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<v Speaker 6>tried to impose a tax every time people visited a hospital,

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<v Speaker 6>and they tried to increase the costs of pharmaceuticals, not

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<v Speaker 6>to decrease them. And Peter Dutton, in a moment of

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<v Speaker 6>candor under a grilling I assume I didn't watch the

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<v Speaker 6>program on Monday night, said that essentially, if you have,

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<v Speaker 6>if the comment doesn't run schools, why do we have

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<v Speaker 6>an education department?

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<v Speaker 2>Now I know about the weave and the wander, but

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<v Speaker 2>how's a question about Tasmanian health. End up with a

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<v Speaker 2>reference to this program, the passive aggressive swipe at me

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to make something up about Peter Dutton because

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<v Speaker 2>we're effective, because he knows that we are keeping total

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<v Speaker 2>laser like focus on all of his failures of the

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<v Speaker 2>past three years. We didn't buy them when he was

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<v Speaker 2>coming to office. We won't buy them. Regardless of whether

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<v Speaker 2>he would loses or draws this election, he promised to

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<v Speaker 2>make things better. Instead everything got worse. He said that

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<v Speaker 2>the tax cuts for everyone, we're going to help. When

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to cost of living, Well, guess what. Two

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<v Speaker 2>years in a row the polls prove that what they

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<v Speaker 2>are offering is too little, too late, and doesn't even

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<v Speaker 2>begin to touch the sides. We remind you that he

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<v Speaker 2>took fifteen hundred dollars of ten million workers. I've told

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<v Speaker 2>you that now sixty three percent of a bottle of

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<v Speaker 2>Bundy is tax He's increased petrol taxes now up to

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<v Speaker 2>fifty cents per liter. And I've also had cute little

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<v Speaker 2>names that he hates because they not just sum up,

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<v Speaker 2>but they stick like each way elbow because remember he

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<v Speaker 2>likes to have it both ways. Say one thing before

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<v Speaker 2>an election, do one thing after, Say one thing in December,

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<v Speaker 2>do something different in January. And then there was all

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<v Speaker 2>that time he was spending overseas. Remember of us, albow

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<v Speaker 2>was anywhere but Australia for a big portion of his

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<v Speaker 2>Prime ministership, not to mention upgrade elbow after he of

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<v Speaker 2>course was using his connections at corners to get himself

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<v Speaker 2>and his family better flights for things that had nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with business. And then, of course there's Albonomics,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the reality that despite promising to make everything better,

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<v Speaker 2>it all got worse. Albinomics has produced one point two

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<v Speaker 2>trillion dollars of federal debt and that is to be paid.

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<v Speaker 1>By your kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Meantime, a lot of what I end up doing is

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<v Speaker 2>pushing back against the media, and for it, I can

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<v Speaker 2>feel the sword that hangs over the top of me,

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<v Speaker 2>desperate to try to strike, and it might be something

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<v Speaker 2>say media Watch or the different media columns, or angry

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<v Speaker 2>old school reporters, because I call out the bs when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to the media. But more importantly, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>just make it up. I show you, so you'd have

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<v Speaker 2>to come to this conclusion. Why, because we show the

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<v Speaker 2>tapes right now. You may remember that we have been

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<v Speaker 2>keeping track of every single financial statement and promise made

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<v Speaker 2>by Anthony Albanezi in the shadow campaign since the start

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<v Speaker 2>of the year all the way through to today, and

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<v Speaker 2>keeping count that is now forty six point three billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, just in case you think I'm making up

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers here, he is divving those numbers up. Since

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<v Speaker 2>the first of January this year.

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<v Speaker 6>A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million

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<v Speaker 6>dollars ten million dollar, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 6>three hundred and fifty million dollar, two billion dollars, thirty

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<v Speaker 6>seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar,

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<v Speaker 6>two point four billion dollars, eight point five billion dollar,

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<v Speaker 6>four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point

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<v Speaker 6>four billion dollars, two point eight billion dollars, two hundred

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<v Speaker 6>million dollar, one hundred and fifty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes it felt a little bit lonely, and then

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<v Speaker 2>slowly but surely some people have started to notice, and

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<v Speaker 2>they've all done versions of it in their own columns

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<v Speaker 2>or shows on TV and radio.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's awesome, because it is an absolute.

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<v Speaker 2>Point worth mentioning. I'm glad, And again it's not about

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<v Speaker 2>being the traditional owner of this line of our attack.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just about saying, I'm glad that other people have

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<v Speaker 2>noticed that this is an awful lot of money, which,

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<v Speaker 2>of course is all on the credit card. Why, because

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<v Speaker 2>we're in a budget deficit where we will be in

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<v Speaker 2>one for ten years. The Intergenerational Report says that we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be one way through to the twenty sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>So with great interest, I noticed in the Channel nine

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<v Speaker 2>newspapers today, this time from the Age, that they have

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<v Speaker 2>now launched online keeping count of Labor and the coalition's

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<v Speaker 2>spending promises. Thinking, well, okay, forty six point three billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in the shadow campaign, mixed into the budget and

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<v Speaker 2>out through.

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<v Speaker 1>To the campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>But guess what, According to the Channel line papers, it

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<v Speaker 2>is the coalition that is out spending the Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently all of those in the anouncements, which clearly were

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<v Speaker 2>announcements about the future, not about this year into the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty six point three billion dollars. No, no, no, he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently only promised four hundred and four million dollars. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the coalition that's pissing money up against the wall

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<v Speaker 2>at one point six billion dollars. Again, this is how

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<v Speaker 2>they spin that when they want to make a too little,

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<v Speaker 2>too late tax card of twelve dollars a week for

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<v Speaker 2>people earning forty thousand dollars. They want to make that

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<v Speaker 2>scene big, Well, they just put it all together and

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<v Speaker 2>give you the fifty two week number. But nobody pays

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<v Speaker 2>their tax that way. You pay it when you get

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<v Speaker 2>paid weekly, fortnightly or monthly. When they talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>interest rate reduction, they don't talk about the tens of

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of dollars extra that you have had to find

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<v Speaker 2>to pay off your mortgage since this bloke became prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>When they talk about the inflation numbers, it's only the

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<v Speaker 2>last month that matters, not the three years of mega increases.

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<v Speaker 2>That all add up to a scenario where you are

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<v Speaker 2>way out of pocket and they don't remember, or they

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<v Speaker 2>choose not to remember, that fifteen hundred dollars that was

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<v Speaker 2>taken off ten minion workers. So, despite all the promises,

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<v Speaker 2>is anyone fifteen hundred dollars better off than they were

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<v Speaker 2>at the start of this government?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer?

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead, what they've done is they've divvy that money up

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<v Speaker 2>and slowly but surely, this way, this way, this way,

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<v Speaker 2>this way, so they can run the TV ads saying,

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<v Speaker 2>look what we've done, ding.

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<v Speaker 1>Ding ding ding ding ding ding.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reality is fifteen hundred dollars worse off ten

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<v Speaker 2>million workers more than forty six billion dollars in promises

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<v Speaker 2>since the faux campaign and the real campaign. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're only counting from after the election was officially started.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because that makes the Libs look worse. Now there

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<v Speaker 2>will be people who obviously don't know the data that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, have not been keeping score like we have

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<v Speaker 2>been keeping score, and we'll look at this and go

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<v Speaker 2>cheas Peter doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>How dare you?

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<v Speaker 2>But once again this is the Prime Minister his own words.

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<v Speaker 2>All of these announcements were forward looking, no reference to

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<v Speaker 2>previous money. It was all future money, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>either money that was due to be spent after the

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<v Speaker 2>first of July this year or after the first of

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<v Speaker 2>July next year, or after the first July the year

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<v Speaker 2>after that, or even the first of July after that.

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<v Speaker 6>A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million dollars,

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<v Speaker 6>ten million dollars, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 6>three hundred and fifty million dollar, two billion dollars, thirty

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<v Speaker 6>seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar,

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<v Speaker 6>two point four billion dollars, eight point five billion dollar,

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<v Speaker 6>four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point

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<v Speaker 6>four billion dollars two point eight billion dollars two hundred

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<v Speaker 6>million dollar one hundred and fifty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the coalition that is outspending labor, according to the

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<v Speaker 2>nine newspapers who decided only counts after the election was called.

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<v Speaker 2>Please another thing that I do have expertise in, because again,

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<v Speaker 2>all I ever dreamt of as a kid was the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to one day work on the radio and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>work on the telly because I look like this. I

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<v Speaker 2>never had any dreams of TV. But luckily that's all

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<v Speaker 2>worked out. And I've been sitting here for fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>I've worked in AM radio, FM, radio programs, news. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been out and about at those press conferences holding up

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<v Speaker 2>the microphone, and I've been asking questions from behind a camera.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can agree or disagree with all of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that I've done in those but I have been

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<v Speaker 2>around plenty. I've been around plenty of federal elections and

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<v Speaker 2>state elections, and I know how the machine works. I

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<v Speaker 2>know that the single most corrosive factor in politics is

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<v Speaker 2>people who play for access. Don't upset the apple cart

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<v Speaker 2>because then whoever the powerful is, they mightn't talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you again, which is why I enjoy this place where

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care about these people. I don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to them. The show is not filled with politician interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>which means for many, not every but many give and

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<v Speaker 2>take a little bit to make sure that they keep

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<v Speaker 2>returning new calls. But one of the ways that you

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<v Speaker 2>can tell which way the collective media is going to

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<v Speaker 2>maintain their access is about the types of questions that

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<v Speaker 2>they ask. The people who are in power now, regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of the polls. Just have a listen to some of

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<v Speaker 2>the questions that the Prime Minister gets, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>them are basically soft lobs for him to hit back

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<v Speaker 2>in the direction of his political opponents. You see, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to upset the apple cart because they want access.

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<v Speaker 2>They want it through the campaign and for them fingers

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<v Speaker 2>crossed the next three years of an Elbow administration.

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<v Speaker 8>If we are to see widescale tariffs announce tomorrow, is

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<v Speaker 8>the government prepared to offer industry support to the industries

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<v Speaker 8>that are affected.

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<v Speaker 5>So there was a real wage increase last year for

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<v Speaker 5>low paid workers three point seven percent.

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<v Speaker 9>How are you going to show that you're standing up

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<v Speaker 9>to Trump.

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<v Speaker 7>Can you see a realistic scenario whether Liberals hold no

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<v Speaker 7>seats in Melbourne after the election.

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<v Speaker 4>Why is this election not as slamm don't you?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's compare how the conversation goes when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton. I spoke about this after our People's forum

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<v Speaker 2>because you could see that when he was seeing an

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<v Speaker 2>audience that was more receptive, he fired up and he

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<v Speaker 2>had a great night in terms of.

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<v Speaker 1>Answering those people's questions.

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<v Speaker 2>And because the Peter Dutton's not allowed to get out

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<v Speaker 2>of first gear, because then he becomes a threat to

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<v Speaker 2>the access, a threat to.

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<v Speaker 1>The comfortable arrangements.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the questions that they lobb at the bloke

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<v Speaker 2>that they think can't win the election, and they never

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<v Speaker 2>let him get on offense. They only try to keep

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<v Speaker 2>him on defense.

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<v Speaker 7>Which forty one thousand of them might not have a

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<v Speaker 7>job in six weeks.

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<v Speaker 10>So you're going to apologize for your previous comments that

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<v Speaker 10>have inflamed so many in the Muslim communities.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell us how intense your fights with Barnaby are?

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<v Speaker 8>How can you be taken seriously in the Pacific if

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<v Speaker 8>all of your policies.

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<v Speaker 1>Ama them.

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<v Speaker 2>And if that's not enough, the access game means that

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<v Speaker 2>if you play nice, they give you x exclusives like

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<v Speaker 2>this one that was handed to one of the Channel

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<v Speaker 2>nine reporters just before their bulletin last night, No Questions

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<v Speaker 2>asked Quick Breaking News Live to our political editor Charles

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<v Speaker 2>Croucher in Melbourne, Charles, Good evening, you have some figures

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<v Speaker 2>on the cost of Peter Dutton's nuclear plan.

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<v Speaker 5>Good evening.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, these are new costings or a new analysi that's

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<v Speaker 11>been done by the Labor Party and will form part

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<v Speaker 11>of their argument going forward against nuclear power. They say,

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<v Speaker 11>because of the modeling of Peter Dutton's nuclear policy, less

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<v Speaker 11>energy will need to be used and that will cost

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<v Speaker 11>jobs in heavy industry and aluminium thirteen and a half

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<v Speaker 11>thousand jobs, including some in tom Ago in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, even though we know it is a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a lifty, does anyone believe that Lori Oaks would have

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<v Speaker 2>done that just before the six pm news? You see,

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<v Speaker 2>this gallery is full of people who haven't gone around

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<v Speaker 2>the sun enough times to have covered many elections, so

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<v Speaker 2>they are exposed to the first time of this raw

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<v Speaker 2>power of how good it is to be close to

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<v Speaker 2>the source of power to do their bidding, either directly

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<v Speaker 2>or indirectly. Now, it doesn't mean that we should live

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<v Speaker 2>in a North Korean state where you don't have tough

0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:14.399
<v Speaker 2>questions for either leaders. Of course, not we should have

0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:16.879
<v Speaker 2>a press that wants to ask an uncomfortable question. But

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<v Speaker 2>when they're essentially when you look at the majority of them,

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<v Speaker 2>they're very obviously soft to one side, hard to another, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then it's pretty obvious what they're trying to do. Just

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<v Speaker 2>like I told you out of the People's Forum, when

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<v Speaker 2>all of those reporters were sitting and watching, they were

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<v Speaker 2>there not to cover what he was saying, but instead

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<v Speaker 2>they were there to watch for a protester or a gaff,

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<v Speaker 2>neither of which happened, which meant it died the second

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<v Speaker 2>that we went off the air. Another example about this

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<v Speaker 2>is the much discussed National Press Club. Now, the National

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<v Speaker 2>Press Club is of course an absolute home game for

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party generally speaking. Why because it is the

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<v Speaker 2>Canbra collective, they get to ask one question each or,

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<v Speaker 2>in this case today, because it was Angus Taylor and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't think he'll be the treasurer after the election,

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<v Speaker 2>Well they could just ask as many questions as they want,

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<v Speaker 2>But geez, I wonder who these people.

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<v Speaker 1>Are voting for.

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<v Speaker 9>Danny Daniel from the Camera Times thank you you speech,

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<v Speaker 9>you said in a podcast interview that Elon Musk is

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<v Speaker 9>doing good work. Can you share by Can you share

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<v Speaker 9>what you'd like to emulate by way of Trump style

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<v Speaker 9>dogie cuts to the Australian public service and specifically which

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<v Speaker 9>programs you would cut if elected, given Peter Dutton's ruled

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<v Speaker 9>out cutting frontline services or defense, which are among the

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<v Speaker 9>forty one thousand roles created this term. And can you

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<v Speaker 9>guarantee that these cuts will result in net savings to

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<v Speaker 9>the budget and not be outweighed by increased spending on

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<v Speaker 9>external consultants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, the number of questions there, So I'll try

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<v Speaker 2>to break them down a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I use Starlink.

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<v Speaker 6>I live about an hour from here, and I've got

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<v Speaker 6>to tell you it has changed.

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<v Speaker 2>The way the internet works for me, my family and

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<v Speaker 2>people around me.

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<v Speaker 1>It is unbelievable. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So that question was from the Canberra Times, and the

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<v Speaker 2>question was multifaceted, and you can see how they tried

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<v Speaker 2>to link a few things in together. Now he spoke

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<v Speaker 2>about the starlink technology, which is where thousands of people

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<v Speaker 2>around the country the way they get their Internet is

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<v Speaker 2>direct communication to a satellite. Now, I've seen these in

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<v Speaker 2>caravan parks all over Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>When we were in Port.

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<v Speaker 2>Headland in Western Australia, went into the Harvey Norman there

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<v Speaker 2>and they were selling like a hundred of these a week.

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<v Speaker 1>People can't get enough of them. Why because for them.

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<v Speaker 2>In particular regions, it's the best way of connecting to

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet. So he spoke as a person who lives

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<v Speaker 2>in a pery urban area that that's his connection to

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet. But because they also threw in all of

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<v Speaker 2>those other questions, guess what the headline looked like. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I showed you the question and his answer, Angus Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>praises Elon Musk Comma and there's a lot of work

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<v Speaker 2>being done on that. Comma confirms Spenny cuts in National

0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Thirst Club address, making it seem like he was standing

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.159
<v Speaker 2>there and praising Elon Musk for the public service.

0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Cuts in the United States, which brings me to this way.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I've spoken about it for a couple of weeks

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.399
<v Speaker 2>because I can see where this thing is going, and

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.080
<v Speaker 2>you can see that the media is desperate to turn

0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 2>the conversation into not one of a contest between a

0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.600
<v Speaker 2>prime minister who last election promised to bring down the

0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 2>cost of a living, yet three years later the cost

0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:31.920
<v Speaker 2>of living went through the roof.

0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Who took fifteen.

0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Hundred dollars off ten million workers, only to hand it

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:39.720
<v Speaker 2>back in a five dollars tax cut that kicks in

0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:43.359
<v Speaker 2>not this year, but next year. They don't want a

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:47.359
<v Speaker 2>conversation with a comparison between a prime minister who had

0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:49.960
<v Speaker 2>points between fifty and sixty percent of the country says's

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:51.840
<v Speaker 2>doing a poor or very poor job, and the bloke

0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 2>who's been holding him to account, the guy who had

0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 2>the courage to say no to a referendum, which was

0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Albo's moment in history, and he was able to fight

0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:03.159
<v Speaker 2>sixty forty years into sixty forty No, on and o. Instead,

0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 2>it's all about Trump. The desperate want of this government

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:10.720
<v Speaker 2>and its mates in the media is to somehow make

0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 2>this election a referendum not on the performance of the

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.159
<v Speaker 2>government of the past three years, or who do you

0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:17.960
<v Speaker 2>trust to put the country back on track for the

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.800
<v Speaker 2>next three years. No, apparently it's all about voting against

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump. Jeez, they're really subtle too.

0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:29.080
<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton is going to back Trump over Australia.

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:34.800
<v Speaker 12>This is Dojie Dutton taking his cues, his instructions and

0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:38.159
<v Speaker 12>his policies straight from the US in a way that

0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:40.359
<v Speaker 12>will make Australians worse off.

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:44.919
<v Speaker 6>We don't have to adopt all of America's policies.

0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 9>I think copying policies from another country, in particularly the

0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.440
<v Speaker 9>United States, isn't really applicable.

0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 2>And the people who used to work for Get Up

0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 2>who now work for other independent organizations, will they offer

0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 2>you the ability to make this message nic and clear

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:03.680
<v Speaker 2>by being able to buy posters that you can put

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 2>on top of Liberal Party posters that make it seem

0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:09.919
<v Speaker 2>like Peter Dutten is all in on MAGA just in

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:12.879
<v Speaker 2>case it's not subtle enough. I'm totally sure that's legal,

0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 2>but we'll see what happens in the next of a while.

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 2>But these are other games that get Up used to play.

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 2>But of course they're not get Up anymore, are they.

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 2>And that's because the reality is the majority of Australians

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.680
<v Speaker 2>don't like Donald Trump. Now I know that that means

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not where the majority of Australians are. In fact,

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 2>something like sixty percent of Australians have a negative view

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 2>of Donald Trump right now. So for the people who

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 2>say he should be more trumpy, well, they would lose

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 2>more seats than they would gain at the next upcoming election.

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:42.360
<v Speaker 2>That's just the electoral truth right. In fact, an opinion

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.440
<v Speaker 2>poll that came out just last week showed us that

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump annoys more people than the sense of cost

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>of living. So that is exactly what Albo is trying

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 2>to make it about. Don't make a cost of living,

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 2>which is clearly the number one election issue and also

0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 2>the number two issue that bugers people off.

0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Instead focus on.

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 2>The one lives in the White House and the media.

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Will they do their bid? Of course too do the

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 2>government's bidding. And it's more exciting to talk about global

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:10.240
<v Speaker 2>affairs than boring old Australian politics, which is why they

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 2>always talk about Donald Trump.

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 1>If they come in, will you blame Donald Trump?

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:19.440
<v Speaker 8>If we are to see WI widescale tariffs announce tomorrow,

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 8>how are.

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:21.679
<v Speaker 9>You going to show that you're standing up to Trump?

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.359
<v Speaker 12>There are daily conversations happening on tariffs.

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:27.199
<v Speaker 11>Donald Trump is always up for a phone conversation and

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:29.400
<v Speaker 11>a good negotiation, and.

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:30.400
<v Speaker 1>They're going to get what they want.

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Why because in the next twenty four hours we will

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 2>know just what type of tariffs, how many tariffs, and

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 2>what they will apply to. Because Donald Trump has said

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 2>whether it's friend or foe, everyone's going to have to

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.479
<v Speaker 2>pay for access to the American market. The media, who

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:46.720
<v Speaker 2>have already set this up for weeks, will try to

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 2>distract from the federal election for the next few weeks.

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 13>Now.

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Of course, Peter Dutton.

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 2>Has made it very clear that he's not Donald Trump,

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.640
<v Speaker 2>and today in an interview with Andrew Clenell, he said

0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:00.920
<v Speaker 2>this very clearly, but I noticed none of this turned

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 2>up on your six PM news tonight.

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 7>Ultimately, what people want is a prime minister who can

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:08.879
<v Speaker 7>stand up for our country, and what they've seen in

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 7>Anthony Albenezi is somebody who doesn't have the strength or

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.479
<v Speaker 7>the backbone or the will to stand up for our

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:17.439
<v Speaker 7>country's interests. He can't stand up to China at the

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 7>moment with Donald Trump. If I needed to have a

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 7>fight with Donald Trump or any other world leader to

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 7>advance our nation's interests, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Just like the pub test, because there was no protester

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 2>and there was no gaff, it didn't happen, and him

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 2>saying that he was willing to pick a fight with

0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump it didn't happen in the six pm news tonight. Jeez,

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I wonder why. I also noticed that none of those

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 2>reporters are asking the Prime Minister when are you going

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 2>to go to Queensland.

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 1>You were more than happy to pretend that you had

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 1>some sort of.

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 2>A role when it came to the response to extropical

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 2>cyclone Alfred. But he has not gone anywhere near and apparently,

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 2>according to my information, no plans in the next couple

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 2>of days at least what we know to be as

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.919
<v Speaker 2>public schedule, to be going anywhere near these floods that

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:01.439
<v Speaker 2>are going.

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:02.679
<v Speaker 1>To cause huge trouble.

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 2>In fact, are causing huge trouble, one hundred and fifty

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 2>thousand head of cattle dead. The effects of this are

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 2>going to scar the land and scar those businesses for

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:18.359
<v Speaker 2>what may be months or even years. Joe Tully is

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 2>a Queensland farmer. He is somebody who has been deeply

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.640
<v Speaker 2>affected by all of this, and he joins us now, Joe,

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:25.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry that we talk under these circumstances, mate, but

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:28.199
<v Speaker 2>tell me about how much water is all over your

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 2>joint and what you've lost, Paul.

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:34.920
<v Speaker 10>The water is slightly receding. It's been coming back for

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:37.160
<v Speaker 10>a couple of days now, but it's still running. It's

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 10>not running under our house, but it's running on the

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 10>paths and all that beside it. It was a record

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 10>flood for us and pulled up just short of of

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 10>going into our house. So yeah, it's run through. It's

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 10>still so high that I'm yet to know what has

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 10>done to all the fences and that sort of thing.

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 10>But yeah, it'll be at least another week before it

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 10>goes down. And the same thing with stock. We've had

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 10>significant stock losses on our place and and yeah, we're

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 10>still still working out and again it'll take a long

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 10>time to figure out exactly what we've lost.

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>How have you been feeding what animals that you can mate?

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 10>We've got great support. Yeah, it's it's an amazing community

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 10>out here and really couldn't be proud of it. The Yeah,

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 10>we've got shy councils and neighbors and that are coordinating

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 10>helicopters and we've had fodder drops with helicopters to to

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 10>stock that a stranded on islands. And and then it

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 10>is making a difference. They need it, and and yeah,

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 10>it's been very very much appreciated.

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm political.

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 2>You're not not trying to drag you into my black

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>hole of politics here. But do you feel like when

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 2>you saw what happened in Southeast Queensland, the rolling coverage

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 2>politicians all day every day, do you feel as supported?

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 6>Mate?

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 10>We're obviously pretty busy out here and there's a lot happening.

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 10>I haven't been watching the news too much, but I am.

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 10>I am feeling a lot of support. Hey, it's certainly

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 10>from our local community and neighbors and all that. And

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 10>yeah again just getting those those fodder drops. And there's

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 10>so many things happening out here to try and all

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 10>these communities to cut off the roads are cut and yeah,

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 10>there are things happening and you know so good.

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, as I said, I'm going to bring you

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>into politics.

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Are just trying to have a chat bloke to bloke

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 2>you so well avoided, But Joe, I want to talk

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 2>to you again. We don't know how many head that

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 2>you may well have lost here. Some expectations are across

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 2>the whole region up to one hundred and fifty thousand.

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>This sort of.

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Stuff has mega impacts on your business, doesn't it.

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 10>Absolutely where I'm still building up our numbers from the

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 10>previous droughts, but we've sort of got back to where

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 10>we wanted to be. We're down probably at least five

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 10>hundred sheep and not really sure cattle, could be up

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 10>to one hundred cattle. And we're probably one of the

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 10>lucky ones. There's people upstream from us that in our

0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 10>particular creek and and all of them across the across

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 10>these shires that some of these people have lost half

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 10>of their stock. And for those people, they need some

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 10>serious help.

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 9>Like the.

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 10>Pretty hard to come back from that, whereas we'll recover

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 10>little satisfacked years, but but no really feeling for all

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 10>those people that are severely affected.

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Just having a look at the video that I think

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 2>is from you, you had to get around on jet skis.

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>That was the way that you were checking things out.

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, we've got jet skin in a boat. So our

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 10>house is completely surrounded. It's probably Akilomita either side to

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 10>get out to where we've got a plane and a

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 10>few vehicles that we can go out and start checking things.

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 10>And yeah, the jet ski's about the quickest way to

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 10>get around. So it's an old one, but it's well

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 10>and truly should be a tax deduction.

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Now, when was the last time you used a jet

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 1>ski to get around the property.

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 10>Other than taking my kids skiing on tubes and stuff.

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, I never.

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Well, thank goodness you had it. We know there's

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 2>plenty of other people this is the way that they're

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>getting around. How are your mates holding up? Of those

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 2>that you've been able to talk to, get a quick

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.479
<v Speaker 2>text to, or somehow stayed in touch with, how are

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>they holding up?

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Really strong?

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 10>Mate, Hay Like, Yeah, I've never received more phone calls

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 10>and support myself, and I know that everyone else is

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 10>probably in the same boat as that. Neighbors are calling

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 10>every day and offering their health, friends and family. And no,

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 10>it's really great, mate, But it's still in the early

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 10>stages of this thing. You don't have time to think

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 10>about anything at the moment other than just saving your

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 10>stock and getting all that sort of No one's thinking

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:26.959
<v Speaker 10>too much about fences or all that sort of thing.

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 10>But once all of water resides and people put their

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 10>hardest and soul into exclusion fencing all this area, and

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 10>we could have ten kilometers of fence down. People have

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 10>got fifty kilometers of fence down and yeah, it's devastating.

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 2>All the best to you, Joe, strength and love from

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 2>all of us who've just met you here tonight and

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 2>everyone who knows you. They'll be proud that you're on

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>the telly right now. Lots of people watching in that

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 2>part if they can. And all the best to your

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 2>family as well.

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:52.479
<v Speaker 1>Mate, Thank very much.

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 10>Paul, good talking to you, mate.

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Good on you, Joe, Joe Tully, they're rolling around. How's

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 2>that getting around the farm on the jet ski. He's

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 2>told you about the losses a strong people. It is

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>part of rural life. But to all of those that

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>are suffering, we think of you each and every day,

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>and we'll keep checking in until we know you're okay.

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.120
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0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:15.920
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<v Speaker 2>Don't forget we've got this a little event happening next Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>The first time and only confirm that the leaders will

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.239
<v Speaker 2>be in the same place at the same time Tuesday night.

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<v Speaker 1>The results, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Here on Paul Murray Live nine o'clock Australian Eastern daylight

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<v Speaker 2>time BROBA, Bishop Gary Hardgrave. Well, they've been in and

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<v Speaker 2>out of the in and out of the election, not

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 2>just on a show on four BC, not just in

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 2>the streets. But they're in it tonight and there's plenty

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 2>to talk about with both of them. I'm so glad

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 2>that they are here. But before I get to that,

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 2>can we talk about this school in Sydney that's decided.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay if you don't want to attend the Anzac

0:33:57.800 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Day services.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I do not understand how officials the new so

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I was Education Department have not come down and said.

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no, no, not happening. You have to

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.240
<v Speaker 1>turn up. Why is this happening?

0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:15.240
<v Speaker 13>Unfortunately the left of politics socialists really like to break

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 13>down the social fabric of the culture of a nation.

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 13>It's innate in the nature of their politics. Now, in

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 13>this particular instance, what should be the case is when

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 13>Anzac Day is commemorated, and we're commemorating dead and those

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:40.400
<v Speaker 13>who served, that it is compulsory to turn up if

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 13>a parent withhold their child, and that's in defiance, not

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 13>because it has been sanctioned. A big difference between those

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 13>two things, and it is important in my view that

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 13>we do really kick up a big stink about it

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 13>because it's part of our culture. This is when we

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 13>as a nation and we commemorate Gallipoli because that's the

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 13>time as a nation we went to war. Yes, we

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:14.799
<v Speaker 13>as a nation we had troops there in the Boar

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 13>War and that was important too, but Galliperly was such

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:24.439
<v Speaker 13>a dramatic thing to happen to us that it set

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.359
<v Speaker 13>the tone that we will always say thank you to

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:29.920
<v Speaker 13>those people who will put their lives on the line

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.239
<v Speaker 13>without questioning absolutely.

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, Gary love the country.

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:35.359
<v Speaker 2>What I love here is nobody woke up today thinking

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 2>that this was something that we'd have to talk about.

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 2>But if you do talk about it like we talk

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.320
<v Speaker 2>about it, we're involved in a culture.

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 4>War well and we should be waging one. If that

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:48.439
<v Speaker 4>is the case, Paul, these kids should want to go there.

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 4>They should actually understand how the backstory that Brahmins has

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 4>talked about. It's incredibly important kids understand that everything in

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 4>Australia today has been one off the effort of those

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 4>willing to shed blood. We should pay tribute to all

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 4>of those twenty years ago today that dreadful accident that

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:09.760
<v Speaker 4>occurred up in Indonesia as they are on a humanitarian

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 4>mission and we lost nine personnel, six out of the Navy,

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 4>three out of the air Force. I mean, we should

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 4>not forget anybody who's fallen in our name in other places,

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 4>and so the kids should want to go. And so

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 4>this is a fundamental failure of our education system. It's

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:26.719
<v Speaker 4>a fundamental failure, frankly of a Prime minister who has

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 4>forgotten what the Australian flag looks like and prefers to

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:34.400
<v Speaker 4>use other flags to actually divide Australia. And so this

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 4>sort of division is hurting us. And our kids are

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 4>better than this, Paul. Most kids are the few that

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 4>aren't draw attention to themselves and they can be dealt with.

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 4>But this is borderline sedition that's going on here, and

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 4>we should call it out for what it is treachery

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:51.880
<v Speaker 4>to brand Australia, our nation, our heritage and everything we

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 4>stand for.

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Yep, with you, let's see where this is in twenty

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 2>four hours Premier Mens, Deputy Premier prow Car and Education Minister.

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Let's see where you are with a prime minister and

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Peter didn't get asked anything. But of course it'll all

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 2>be Trump in the next twenty four hours. Bro, Let's

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 2>talk realistically. Can Trump sink Peter Dunton and the Liberal

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Party if the next couple of weeks is nothing but

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister and the media trying to turn this

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 2>election as opposed to our government, but turning it into

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 2>a personality and popularity contest with the bloke that we

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>know the majority of Australians don't like.

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 13>I think there are a couple of important points to

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 13>make here that the tariff question is masking what is

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.399
<v Speaker 13>the real issues we're being faced with.

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 1>We've got a.

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:37.760
<v Speaker 13>Prime Minister who's prepared to be all matcho or pretend

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 13>to be matcho about taking on Trump's tariffs, but is

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 13>not prepared to stand up to the Chinese absolutely leader

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 13>of the Communist Party that wants to expand in our region.

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>And they're interference in our election.

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:57.319
<v Speaker 13>Rest and yet he's not prepared to stand up to that.

0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 13>Now they are actually doing things in a military way

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:11.879
<v Speaker 13>that is harming our personnel. The aircraft that was had the.

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.320
<v Speaker 1>The shafts thrown into it.

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 13>I'm going to call it that because that's what it was,

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.920
<v Speaker 13>which could have killed them, the naval man who was

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 13>diving who was injured as a result of those sonic

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:27.719
<v Speaker 13>boom being carried out. So and the joking commentary that

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:33.760
<v Speaker 13>the Prime Minister makes about the reconnaissance or research ship

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 13>not a spy ship, well, please tell me if you're

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:41.960
<v Speaker 13>a spy, aren't you doing reconnaissance and research.

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 1>And pretends that what we're doing in and around it

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 1>is trying to see. Oh, it's all it's all the same.

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.840
<v Speaker 13>It's not. So we've got that problem now with regard

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:53.960
<v Speaker 13>to tariffs. The best response to that is how can

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 13>we assist our people who are going to be affected

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 13>by them, give them an offset. The best thing you

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 13>can poss we do in the world is lower energy

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 13>costs for them. That would actually take the edge of

0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:09.479
<v Speaker 13>the tariff. That is something you can do immediately. It's

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 13>like mister Dartan's promise to have the tax on petrol

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 13>and understand an excise is attack.

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a tax. It's a fuel tax exactly.

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 13>It's just a sort of tax that it is, so

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:29.399
<v Speaker 13>that's an immediate thing. So when we come to the

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 13>failure of the Prime Minister to stand up to Z,

0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 13>it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth when Z

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 13>then comes out and says, oh, well we back Albanese now,

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 13>would you have thought perhaps that it was calculated that

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 13>if they were apologistic and apologizing for the actions of

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.840
<v Speaker 13>the Chinese, that they just might get that reaction.

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's possible?

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 2>But also they realize, right, you stand up to them

0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:01.959
<v Speaker 2>head on the spike, you give them what they want,

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 2>oh keep them going, and we know that there's different

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:06.320
<v Speaker 2>ways that that message gets community.

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:08.799
<v Speaker 13>In the meantime, we're losing sovereignty absolutely.

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 2>And Gary your sense about this here, because I mean

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 2>you've already heard the talking points, have already shown you

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 2>the media obsession. We know where this goes and is

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 2>it going to blow the Libs off?

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 4>Course, Peter Dutton's has got to be Peter Dutton, the

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:24.240
<v Speaker 4>real Peter Dutton actually is a very attractive commodity.

0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton will.

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 4>Stand up for Australia. It's interesting the point Robin makes

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 4>about the Chinese, because they sought permission and got it

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 4>from the New Zealand government for that same research vessel

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.400
<v Speaker 4>to be in New Zealand waters. And yet this Prime Minister,

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 4>Anthony Alberniz, he says he didn't know about it. But

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 4>I think he is lying about it just as much,

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 4>just as much as he's lied about the price of

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 4>power going down, just as much as he's lied about

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 4>everything he promised to do. This bloke is just a

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 4>perennial liar. And I know people in politics are often

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 4>badge that way, but this fellow, I think is not

0:40:58.080 --> 0:40:58.800
<v Speaker 4>told the truth.

0:40:58.840 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>He's not told the truth.

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 4>Chinese sought permission from New Zealand but didn't seek permission

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 4>from us. He's got a problem with Beijing if they

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:09.759
<v Speaker 4>haven't wrung him up the way that they've. Wellington got

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 4>a phone call from Beijing. So look, you know all

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 4>of this is just subterfuge. Paul, your editorial was spot on.

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 4>This is all about creating a bigger lie to cover

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 4>all of their lives. And the reality is this, are

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.319
<v Speaker 4>you better off than you're worth three years ago? If

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 4>the answer is yes, you vote labor. If it's not,

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 4>you just vote against labor. This mob should be turfed out,

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:32.440
<v Speaker 4>and in big numbers we'll see what happens.

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm with you.

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I got ninety seconds, so forty five each year. John

0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Howard pretty clear today when he was talking about that

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Abneze is out of his depth.

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Did you agree?

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:44.239
<v Speaker 13>Of course I did. I mean, I think I've been

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:47.399
<v Speaker 13>saying some of the things all along. Was a very

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 13>succinct way of putting it. But I think we also

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 13>need to put accent on the things that are in

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:56.880
<v Speaker 13>the Parliament now which have been rejected to date, like

0:41:57.040 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 13>nature positive yes, like having the tax placed on capital

0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 13>game sex based on unrealized capital gains. And that incidentally

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 13>is an idea they pitched from Kamala Harris.

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Of course, that was part of her.

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 13>Policy tax unrealized capital games. So don't tell me that

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 13>they are an original looking after Australians, they're not.

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, Gary's already ready to do an outside broadcast when

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Kamala rolls into the Gold Coast in a few weeks time.

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, no, no, not thank you.

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 4>But look either way, she'll need an autoque wherever she goes,

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, a device in front of us so she

0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 4>can to read her script and laugh here sort of thing. Look,

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 4>the thing is that John Howd as a patriot, continues

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 4>to be Peter Dutton wants to be like John Howd.

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 4>Australia will be well served with Peter Dutton as Prime Minister.

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:48.799
<v Speaker 4>I hope he gets there. It's a long way to go.

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:51.120
<v Speaker 4>Get busy, people get busy.

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I say, that's it. Fight, fight, fight, It's the way

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:55.719
<v Speaker 2>it goes. Thank you guys to appreciate it. We'll see

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 2>you all again very soon. Gary of course on the radio,

0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:00.400
<v Speaker 2>and four we see each and every afternoon from three.

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Meghan Kelly's next, No sooks, no lefties, just the way

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 2>you like it. It's our favorite time of the week

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 2>to talk to our favorite person in the world. As always,

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:17.719
<v Speaker 2>the wonderful Meghan Kelly. Meghan Gaday, Hi, how are you well?

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Good? But I've got to say our country is a little.

0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 2>On knife edge tonight because you know I'm pro Trump.

0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:25.560
<v Speaker 2>You know I've got the hat. You know I know

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>why he won and why that was a great thing

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 2>last year. But Liberation Day is a little bit different

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:33.439
<v Speaker 2>on this side of the ocean compared to how it's

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 2>going to be played out in the White House. What

0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 2>is your sense of how average Americans react to the

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 2>president and all of these tariffs which are going to

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>make countries like ours send maybe a little less your way.

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 3>I thought you were talking about Transliberation Day, and I

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:52.879
<v Speaker 3>was going to say, I'm sure you celebrated the same

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 3>way I did, with full, wholeheartedly marching and putting on

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:04.840
<v Speaker 3>our drag over opposite sex sports. No, the tariffs, well,

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't have a lot of support for them. I

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:10.760
<v Speaker 3>don't think it's only like a strain of the Maga

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 3>faithful that's in favor of them. Plus the labor unions,

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:17.279
<v Speaker 3>some of them seem to be in favor. But I

0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:22.479
<v Speaker 3>personally am interested in trying this experiment, Paul, because here's

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:24.320
<v Speaker 3>the thing. We really do have trade deficits with a

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 3>number of countries in which, like it feels somewhat like

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 3>our friends are taking advantage of us. And I understand

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:34.160
<v Speaker 3>that that too might fail as a justification for a

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 3>retaliatory tariff. It might like economists, some economists say you

0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:40.799
<v Speaker 3>still shouldn't do it. It's still better for you not

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:43.960
<v Speaker 3>to do it. But the New York Times did a

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 3>deep dive into, for example, the tariffs against Mexico about

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:51.680
<v Speaker 3>three weeks ago, and what they concluded is that good

0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 3>luck finding a fentanyl lab right now in Mexico. They've

0:44:55.239 --> 0:45:00.360
<v Speaker 3>disappeared because finally Shinbaum, afraid of these two griffs and

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 3>under them, has decided she actually does need to do

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.320
<v Speaker 3>something about the southern border and the flux of immigrants

0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 3>coming across it. And so they're closing up shop. These

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 3>cartel members are shutting down the fentanyl labs, and our

0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:18.320
<v Speaker 3>tariffs against them are working, and we've ruffled some feathers

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:22.200
<v Speaker 3>amongst our friends right especially like Canada. But I think

0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 3>Trump's general policy when it comes to dealing with foreign

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 3>countries is you can be a little meaner to our friends,

0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 3>and you should be a little nicer to our enemies.

0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 3>And it's all a negotiation tactic for the most part,

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.880
<v Speaker 3>to land a deal, to get things to not necessarily

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<v Speaker 3>be exactly what he's demanding, but a little better for

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<v Speaker 3>us than they started.

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<v Speaker 2>You did an excellent interview with the New York Times. Now, this,

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<v Speaker 2>of course is the definition of old school media who

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<v Speaker 2>hate what we stand for and certainly what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you push right back against some of

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<v Speaker 2>their garbage, and I love that they were sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit confused by who you are right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you gave it to them right between the eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't an unpleasant watch.

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<v Speaker 3>It was fascinating to me, Paul, because first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>walking into the New York Times building was amazing. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh my, I'm really going into the belly

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<v Speaker 3>the beast here. Every head in there was like whoa,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like is that who? I think it is? Right,

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<v Speaker 3>because like they're not used to seeing me there either,

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<v Speaker 3>But look, they treated me well. The bottom line was

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<v Speaker 3>they just don't get it. They don't understand new media.

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<v Speaker 3>They only understand corporate media. And these old rules, these

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<v Speaker 3>anachronistic rules by which we all did once play but

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<v Speaker 3>which they blew up. The rules of not owning your

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<v Speaker 3>own bias and not speaking openly about your own opinion

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 3>on the news worked when we really would collectively move

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.520
<v Speaker 3>to hide our bias and do our level best to

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<v Speaker 3>be fair to both sides. There was a long time

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<v Speaker 3>in journalists where we were at least trying that, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>not succeeding. You know, I mean, you can't tell me

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<v Speaker 3>the year two thousand we were perfect at it, but

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<v Speaker 3>we were a hell of a lot better at it

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<v Speaker 3>than we are now twenty five years later, they changed

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<v Speaker 3>the rules. They were the ones who decided openly lean

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<v Speaker 3>into their bias to write only positive articles about Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>and only negative ones about Republicans. The only time they

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<v Speaker 3>criticize a Democrat in power is when he or she's

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<v Speaker 3>no longer become useful to them and they need to

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<v Speaker 3>get out of the way for someone they consider more

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<v Speaker 3>useful on their team. So it's a completely dishonest setup.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they go out there and try to tell

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<v Speaker 3>us that they're objective and that somebody like you know

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<v Speaker 3>yours truly is not. See, I can't cover Trump fairly

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<v Speaker 3>anymore because I said I'm voting for him, and I

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<v Speaker 3>want other people to vote for him too, So there

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<v Speaker 3>therefore I'm no longer independent, and my audience can't trust

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<v Speaker 3>me to report unfavorably on him when he deserves it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just I laughed, because it's like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't understand. That only gives me more credibility with

0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 3>my audience, and not because they need to hear me

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<v Speaker 3>say I like Trump because they want to hear where

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<v Speaker 3>I really stand, whether they like it or not. Those

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<v Speaker 3>are the rules in this lane, and you people at

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<v Speaker 3>the New York Times who won't say who you're voting

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<v Speaker 3>for aren't fooling anyone. So what you have is a

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<v Speaker 3>dishonest relationship. It's like a husband who's cheating on you,

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<v Speaker 3>and he comes home every night and he says, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not cheating on you. I absolutely love you, honey. We

0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 3>have a wonderful marriage. But you know he's cheating on you.

0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 3>You have a crappy relationship. And the fact that no

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<v Speaker 3>one's declared it doesn't make it not. So that's the

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<v Speaker 3>New York Times, and it's readers, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And with me and my audience.

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<v Speaker 1>It's open.

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<v Speaker 3>I tell him everything. And if they want to leave

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<v Speaker 3>me because I'm not cheating but I'm you know, dating

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<v Speaker 3>Orange man, then they can leave me, right. But so

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<v Speaker 3>the ones who remain are there because they know it

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<v Speaker 3>all and they still find me acceptable. But that's the

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<v Speaker 3>only way you can compete in this universe where I am,

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<v Speaker 3>where I'm not just up against fellow journalists, I'm up

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<v Speaker 3>against entertainers. I'm up against comedians. I'm up against so

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<v Speaker 3>many compelling and entertaining and talented options that that's how

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<v Speaker 3>the audience sees me as just like a button they

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:05.560
<v Speaker 3>can press and they can get the news from me,

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 3>or they can get it from a number of other people.

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<v Speaker 3>So I better have an authentic, good, tight, honest relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with them or they're never going to click on my face.

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely love having a chat to you each and

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<v Speaker 2>every week. You are our favorite part of every week.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Megan, we love you.

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<v Speaker 3>Love it to Paul. Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>She is the best one and only and the only

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<v Speaker 2>place you're going to see here is right here, this Chael,

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<v Speaker 2>this show each and every Wednesday night now or reminder,

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<v Speaker 2>you can always send me an email Paul at skynews

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<v Speaker 2>dot com dot au, and I'd love your newschips about

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<v Speaker 2>things that you're seeing around town, take photos of the

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:40.440
<v Speaker 2>different posters and how to votes and all of that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff and send those emails to me Paul at skynews

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<v Speaker 2>dot com dot au. Looking forward tomorrow night, where we

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<v Speaker 2>will yet again go through the election. But more importantly,

0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:50.960
<v Speaker 2>keep an eye on those who are reporting on this election,

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<v Speaker 2>because geez, I wonder who they're going to be voting

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<v Speaker 2>for late debate next see tomorrow