WEBVTT - Credlin | 8 October 0:00:01.540 --> 0:00:07.220 Peter Credlin, live from News 24. 0:00:07.380 --> 0:00:07.980 Good evening. 0:00:08.220 --> 0:00:10.270 Welcome to the program. Thank you, Jamie, for filling in 0:00:10.300 --> 0:00:12.549 last week. Had a bit of a sore throat before 0:00:12.590 --> 0:00:14.610 I headed up to Far North Queensland for a dear 0:00:14.670 --> 0:00:17.930 friend's birthday. Shout out to everyone in Port Douglas who 0:00:18.370 --> 0:00:20.970 stopped me in the street and said g'day. I love 0:00:21.450 --> 0:00:23.009 your support of me and what we do here on 0:00:23.030 --> 0:00:25.890 The Credlin Show and I love Far North Queensland. All right, 0:00:25.910 --> 0:00:26.650 busy show tonight. 0:00:26.690 --> 0:00:27.470 Let's get into it. 0:00:28.290 --> 0:00:31.140 Victorian Liberal leader Jess Wilson live in the studio, Angus 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:35.700 Taylor too, plus Lucy Delick. Carolee Katzenbarnes and my wonderful 0:00:35.860 --> 0:00:39.950 international panel and more. Tonight, first to New South Wales, 0:00:39.970 --> 0:00:41.870 we'll have a look at what's happened there. The Premier 0:00:42.290 --> 0:00:46.589 rolling out the state's new police armed response command. I've 0:00:46.670 --> 0:00:50.690 seen similar squads overseas to combat terrorism. I think it's 0:00:50.729 --> 0:00:53.529 a good thing. But isn't this what we wanted the 0:00:53.580 --> 0:00:57.640 Royal Commission to investigate? And yet neither the police chief 0:00:57.820 --> 0:01:02.020 there or the AFP boss, Chrissie Barrett, have even fronted 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:03.240 the Royal Commission. 0:01:03.820 --> 0:01:04.840 It is a joke. 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.380 Plus, youth crime, a key concern now, one month after 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:13.390 the Victorian election. Revelations today that police in Victoria have 0:01:13.430 --> 0:01:19.069 been told to go easy on young criminals. Australia's housing pain, 0:01:19.110 --> 0:01:22.690 despite all the promises and all the billions, labours behind 0:01:22.770 --> 0:01:26.890 on new build targets by some 100%. 0:01:27.330 --> 0:01:29.250 And more, too, on. 0:01:29.230 --> 0:01:32.190 That crazy High Court ruling and what it means for 0:01:32.230 --> 0:01:35.080 the mining sector as Australia is forced to take account 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.440 of emissions that are not even produced here. And I 0:01:38.459 --> 0:01:41.780 promise you, they'll start with coal, then it will be 0:01:41.980 --> 0:01:44.040 agriculture and more. 0:01:44.980 --> 0:01:50.390 But it's completely unacceptable that a coal mine expansion or 0:01:50.470 --> 0:01:57.810 coal mine development not proceed because coal of legislation where 0:01:57.850 --> 0:02:01.750 there's a requirement to take into consideration the customer's emissions. 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.480 But first, the Albanese government has tried to walk both 0:02:06.700 --> 0:02:09.660 sides of the street on yesterday's landmark decision in the 0:02:09.700 --> 0:02:13.180 High Court regarding the planned expansion of the Mount Pleasant 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.560 coal mine in New South Wales. On the one hand, 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.519 it's all about net zero, says the government. But on 0:02:19.540 --> 0:02:23.050 the other hand, it knows it needs the export revenues 0:02:23.110 --> 0:02:26.480 from coal and other fossil fuels to stop the budget 0:02:26.540 --> 0:02:29.840 further sliding into the red. Not to mention all the 0:02:29.900 --> 0:02:32.800 Labor voters it has, or at least it used to have, 0:02:32.860 --> 0:02:37.489 in coal mining seats across Australia. Then there's the reality too, 0:02:37.500 --> 0:02:41.630 with the Albanese government spending taxpayer billions to keep ageing 0:02:41.850 --> 0:02:46.830 coal-fired generators up and running, lest industries shut down and 0:02:46.870 --> 0:02:48.869 the lights go out across the nation. 0:02:48.889 --> 0:02:54.010 And I mean that literally. Here's the Industry Minister, Tim Ayres, today. 0:02:54.860 --> 0:03:01.820 Scope 3 emissions, it's our partner's responsibility. China, Korea, Japan, 0:03:01.860 --> 0:03:08.140 the United States, wherever we are exporting, whether they're raw 0:03:08.220 --> 0:03:13.720 primary products or industrial products overseas, it's the responsibility and 0:03:13.780 --> 0:03:18.220 can only be the responsibility of our partner economies to 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:18.660 do that. 0:03:18.690 --> 0:03:20.730 OK. 0:03:21.380 --> 0:03:26.670 So their responsibility, says Labor. Labor now loves coal. Looks 0:03:26.710 --> 0:03:29.230 like it, doesn't it? They love it because without coal's 0:03:29.270 --> 0:03:34.309 big export dollars into the budget, things, Jim Chalmers, would 0:03:34.350 --> 0:03:38.340 be in even worse shape than now. And Labor's record 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.340 low primary vote, will that it even be lower given 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.540 the seats where there is coal mining? 0:03:44.660 --> 0:03:47.350 Or do they? Who's telling the truth here? 0:03:48.190 --> 0:03:51.610 Because take a look at this decision just five months ago. 0:03:52.190 --> 0:03:54.530 Well, it tells a very different story. 0:03:55.180 --> 0:03:59.300 Back in May, Australia voted at the United Nations to 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.930 welcome a landmark decision from the International Court of Justice 0:04:03.500 --> 0:04:07.900 about climate change and the demand that countries like Australia 0:04:08.380 --> 0:04:14.950 take responsibility for our export of fossil fuels and downstream emissions. Today, 0:04:15.030 --> 0:04:17.490 Labor ministers were all out there trying to walk away 0:04:17.570 --> 0:04:22.230 from yesterday's High Court decision on Scope 3 emissions. That's 0:04:22.270 --> 0:04:25.340 the emissions created in the country that buys and burns 0:04:25.420 --> 0:04:30.330 our coal. that somehow those offshore emissions are the responsibility 0:04:30.450 --> 0:04:33.930 of Australia, the country that sold them the coal. 0:04:34.370 --> 0:04:37.690 That's what Scope 3 means. These ministers are saying that 0:04:37.850 --> 0:04:38.470 either they. 0:04:38.330 --> 0:04:41.909 Now don't agree with the High Court or that scope 0:04:41.970 --> 0:04:46.440 emissions are somehow a problem for New South Wales to solve. 0:04:47.300 --> 0:04:51.400 But that's disingenuous at best, fraudulent more likely. Because the 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:55.700 federal government was the ones that instructed our UN ambassador 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:00.110 to vote and say that Scope 3 emission penalties are 0:05:00.170 --> 0:05:03.750 a good thing. Now, the Albanese government had a choice 0:05:04.029 --> 0:05:07.529 in May at the UN. They could have voted no. 0:05:07.870 --> 0:05:12.500 Australia could have voted no alongside many other big fossil 0:05:12.540 --> 0:05:18.219 fuel nations like the United States, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Iran. 0:05:19.089 --> 0:05:21.909 We could have even abstained. A whole lot of other 0:05:21.990 --> 0:05:25.390 nations didn't vote at all. But not only did we 0:05:25.470 --> 0:05:29.690 vote in support of this nonsense, our ambassador even went 0:05:29.810 --> 0:05:34.370 on the record to welcome it, declaring that Australia is proud, 0:05:34.450 --> 0:05:38.450 he said, to stand with you in supporting this resolution. 0:05:39.390 --> 0:05:42.210 So how then are these comments from the Environment Minister 0:05:42.370 --> 0:05:44.630 Murray Watt even credible? 0:05:45.250 --> 0:05:50.010 So it doesn't automatically transfer to Commonwealth decisions. or Commonwealth legislation. 0:05:50.050 --> 0:05:52.950 That was a very specific requirement under New South Wales 0:05:53.010 --> 0:05:57.270 law that doesn't exist in Commonwealth law. So at this 0:05:57.350 --> 0:06:00.070 early stage, I wouldn't necessarily say that it will flow 0:06:00.130 --> 0:06:01.560 onto Commonwealth decisions as well. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.980 Doesn't automatically translate, he says, to a Commonwealth decision. Well, 0:06:08.020 --> 0:06:12.020 it does, Murray Watt, when back in May, the Commonwealth 0:06:12.500 --> 0:06:17.610 voted yes at the United Nations elections. Now, coal burnt 0:06:17.810 --> 0:06:23.980 overseas counts towards the importing country's emissions. That's what he 0:06:24.070 --> 0:06:28.460 said under pressure today. That's exactly what his industry colleague, 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.220 and I played it a bit before, Tim Eyre, said 0:06:30.339 --> 0:06:33.719 as well. But that's not how the government played the 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:38.260 game back in May when they instructed our UN ambassador 0:06:38.810 --> 0:06:43.210 to vote yes. Now, the UN vote didn't cause the 0:06:43.270 --> 0:06:44.310 High Court judgment. 0:06:44.330 --> 0:06:45.310 They're legally separate. 0:06:46.210 --> 0:06:50.520 But Canberra cannot credibly portray the broader issue of responsibility 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:55.160 for exported fossil fuel emissions as something that appeared out 0:06:55.200 --> 0:07:01.349 of nowhere today. Australia participated in that international process and 0:07:01.370 --> 0:07:05.010 then we deliberately voted yes when all of these other 0:07:05.050 --> 0:07:10.840 nations voted no and more still abstained. Now, to be fair, 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:15.200 Australia qualified its yes vote by saying it did not 0:07:15.260 --> 0:07:20.440 agree with every element of the ICJ opinion. So that 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:24.640 begs the question, doesn't it? What elements did Australia disagree with? 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.180 Did it reject the ICJ's position concerning fossil fuel production 0:07:29.580 --> 0:07:34.600 and downstream emissions? If so, why did Australia vote yes? 0:07:35.820 --> 0:07:38.560 If not... What advice. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.860 Did any of these Albanese government ministers receive about the 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:47.190 consequences for Australian coal and LNG exports before Australia cast 0:07:47.310 --> 0:07:51.930 that vote in yes terms at the UN? Were ministers 0:07:52.050 --> 0:07:58.450 warned about future Australian litigation involving Scope 3 emissions? Did 0:07:58.490 --> 0:08:02.010 we understand the hit it would have on the federal 0:08:02.070 --> 0:08:06.200 budget on jobs in Australia? Now, in all of this, 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:10.260 the Albanese government must come clean. I know that there 0:08:10.310 --> 0:08:15.110 will be ministerial briefs, legal advice and instructions to Australia's 0:08:15.210 --> 0:08:18.910 UN mission to answer all of these questions. And when 0:08:18.930 --> 0:08:23.640 the parliament returns next week, this issue must be pursued. 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.220 It's on the coalition now to demand the release of 0:08:27.460 --> 0:08:30.980 all of these documents and and pursue the government given 0:08:31.020 --> 0:08:35.840 Australia's multi-billion dollar trade in coal and gas is now 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.800 under threat. In May, the US and Saudi Arabia looked 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:43.339 at that UN resolution, they said no. Australia looked at 0:08:43.380 --> 0:08:46.210 the very same resolution and we said yes, saying that 0:08:46.250 --> 0:08:50.589 we were proud to vote yes. Five months on, we've 0:08:50.630 --> 0:08:55.110 now got Scope 3 emissions from Australian coal burned overseas 0:08:55.690 --> 0:08:59.439 at the centre of a landmark High Court judgement. And 0:08:59.460 --> 0:09:02.709 you've got every Labor minister in the past 24 hours scrambling. 0:09:03.980 --> 0:09:07.800 Yet again, the Albanese government's been caught red-handed here, saying 0:09:08.140 --> 0:09:12.420 one thing to UN elites in New York and something very, 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:16.400 very different to coal miners and Labor voters here at home. 0:09:17.110 --> 0:09:20.010 Not to mention the catastrophic hit on the federal budget 0:09:20.429 --> 0:09:23.870 if this has put any of our coal and export dollars, 0:09:23.990 --> 0:09:28.079 coal and gas export dollars at risk, worth a combined 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:39.210 $ 150 billion a year. Let's stick with the Labor line theme. 0:09:39.250 --> 0:09:41.790 I want to pick up these comments today from Professor 0:09:41.950 --> 0:09:46.170 Anne Toomey, one of the country's leading constitutional experts, who's 0:09:46.510 --> 0:09:49.230 had this to say about the Prime Minister's decision. 0:09:48.710 --> 0:09:50.939 To hand $ 6. 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:54.120 Million to the Marrickville Golf Club, 200 metres from his 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.160 back fence, of a property worth $ 3 million that he 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.200 owns nearby. Said Toomey in her submission to the Senate 0:10:02.220 --> 0:10:08.090 Committee investigating Labor's community grants program, she says it's grey corruption. 0:10:08.790 --> 0:10:12.610 Declaring the system is a farce, dressed up as political favours, 0:10:13.110 --> 0:10:17.300 dressing up political favours as sound public policy. This is 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:21.620 Rob Harris's report today in the Sydney Morning Herald, where 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.949 he said that Toomey said politicians needed a lesson in 0:10:25.030 --> 0:10:30.449 integrity before promising taxpayer money to local projects. In her 0:10:30.470 --> 0:10:34.990 written submission to the investigative Senate hearing, Toomey noted that 0:10:35.070 --> 0:10:36.110 even before this. 0:10:36.010 --> 0:10:38.330 Latest $ 6. 0:10:37.010 --> 0:10:41.500 Million grant, the PM's golf mates had earlier received some 0:10:41.660 --> 0:10:48.970 five separate federal grants, totaling $ 58, 000. They were effectively gifts 0:10:49.090 --> 0:10:54.960 of political largesse, said Toomey. Labor's $ 560 billion community grant 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.900 scheme was half a billion dollars worth of pork barreling, 0:10:59.820 --> 0:11:04.319 a process we know shrouded in secrecy, with organisations getting 0:11:04.340 --> 0:11:07.500 the money effectively tapped on the shoulder by Labor mates 0:11:07.980 --> 0:11:13.550 and told to apply. It was a closed and non-competitive process, 0:11:13.970 --> 0:11:17.730 said Toomey. And as we already know from analysis done 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.210 by the Centre for Public Integrity, 73% of the funding 0:11:21.250 --> 0:11:26.110 went to Labor-held or key marginal seats. Now, as we've 0:11:26.130 --> 0:11:30.390 shown here repeatedly on Credlin, Albanese himself made the announcement 0:11:30.450 --> 0:11:33.170 to hand the $ 6 million to his local golf club 0:11:33.690 --> 0:11:36.950 without disclosing he was an honorary member of the club 0:11:36.990 --> 0:11:42.270 or indeed a very close neighbour. He made his announcement 0:11:42.309 --> 0:11:45.030 in April last year, six months before there was even 0:11:45.070 --> 0:11:49.270 a process set up by his minister, his factional mate 0:11:49.370 --> 0:11:54.940 Catherine King, thereby raising serious concerns about the scheme's financial integrity. 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.460 Concerns clearly shared by Professor Toomey, who said this, The 0:11:59.500 --> 0:12:03.770 system is a farce. with paperwork drafted to justify decisions 0:12:03.830 --> 0:12:07.850 already made without any consideration of merit, need, value for 0:12:07.910 --> 0:12:13.210 money or public interest. But that isn't how the Prime 0:12:13.230 --> 0:12:14.020 Minister sees it. 0:12:14.650 --> 0:12:17.329 The decision maker is the Minister for Infrastructure. 0:12:17.390 --> 0:12:19.270 I'm not even the decision maker. 0:12:21.650 --> 0:12:25.000 Well, not so, says the constitutional expert, and to me 0:12:25.260 --> 0:12:29.020 arguing that grant rules had effectively been constructed to give 0:12:29.059 --> 0:12:33.459 the public appearance of integrity while allowing politicians to deliver 0:12:33.540 --> 0:12:38.340 promises already made. And we know that this is exactly 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.380 how the golf club saw it. They posted a video, 0:12:41.420 --> 0:12:44.130 of course, to Facebook where they congratulated the PM for 0:12:44.150 --> 0:12:47.150 the millions some two months before there was even a 0:12:47.230 --> 0:12:51.270 program in place to deliver the money from the minister, 0:12:51.630 --> 0:12:56.809 before the club and the mayor even had demonstrable plans 0:12:57.429 --> 0:13:00.670 as to how to spend your six million. 0:13:01.650 --> 0:13:03.910 Well, we're here at Marrickville Golf Club having a conversation 0:13:03.950 --> 0:13:06.990 about the $ 6 million renovation that is soon to take 0:13:07.050 --> 0:13:09.410 place here at this clubhouse, which is going to be 0:13:09.550 --> 0:13:11.670 even better. I'm here with the Deputy Mayor, Matt Howard, 0:13:12.230 --> 0:13:15.880 and with Andrew and Matt from Marrickville Golf Club. And 0:13:15.980 --> 0:13:19.140 thanks to the Federal Labor Government and to Prime Minister 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:20.980 Albo for the $ 6 million grant. 0:13:21.100 --> 0:13:27.460 I mean, just when you're struggling to make ends meet, 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.380 Labor can still find new ways to waste your money 0:13:32.140 --> 0:13:38.700 And it stinks. All right, let's head to camera now 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.610 for the headlines with our political reporter, Cam Redden. 0:13:42.390 --> 0:13:44.840 Rocked by a high court ruling, the New South Wales 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.400 Premier digs in over his mining laws. 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.120 I don't think everyone should overreact to the decision and 0:13:50.140 --> 0:13:52.960 I also don't think that activists who are considering court 0:13:53.020 --> 0:13:54.520 actions should get overexcited. 0:13:54.780 --> 0:13:57.920 The judgment found his state's planning commission had failed to 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:01.439 impose conditions on a Hunter Valley coal mine expansion that 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.710 would have forced it to limit Scope 3 emissions as 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.770 much as possible. That is greenhouse gas from exported Australian 0:14:08.830 --> 0:14:10.750 coal that's burned overseas. 0:14:11.070 --> 0:14:14.590 Not emissions of the coal mine, emissions of their customer. 0:14:15.130 --> 0:14:17.670 The Albanese government also taking issue. 0:14:17.690 --> 0:14:25.200 The Scope 3 emissions, it's our partner's responsibility. China, Korea, Japan, 0:14:25.220 --> 0:14:26.130 the United States. 0:14:26.630 --> 0:14:30.380 Chris Min says the mine's operator, Mac Energy, will reapply 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.370 for its extension. and that rules have changed since 2022 0:14:33.370 --> 0:14:36.500 when the approval was initially granted. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.100 And the court has interrupted that, of course it has. 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.400 But it's important that people have their say. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.500 The mining industry's great fear is that this decision may 0:14:44.620 --> 0:14:47.340 set a precedent, not just in New South Wales, but 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.000 for projects nationwide and grind investment to a halt. 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.250 Scope 3 emissions should be taken out of New South 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:54.910 Wales law. 0:14:55.130 --> 0:14:58.050 This is legislation that has been put in place by 0:14:58.070 --> 0:15:00.490 the Minsk government. They should repeal it. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:05.100 We are a mining industry that takes into consideration environmental factors, 0:15:05.380 --> 0:15:09.400 and I don't think we should just be jettisoning that reputation. 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:16.030 A reputation under constant legal review. Cameron Redden, News 24, Canberra. 0:15:17.510 --> 0:15:20.570 But as I've just showed you, Australia voted in support 0:15:20.590 --> 0:15:23.690 of this federally. The federal government instructed the UN, our 0:15:23.750 --> 0:15:26.650 ambassador at the UN, to vote for this in May. 0:15:26.990 --> 0:15:30.120 So who is telling the truth? Let's bring in my 0:15:30.140 --> 0:15:33.700 Thursday night panel now, News 24 contributor Carolee Katsibanas and 0:15:33.740 --> 0:15:37.530 broadcaster Lucy Zelik from Sydney. Welcome to you both. I'll 0:15:37.550 --> 0:15:40.030 start with you if I can, Lucy. This decision in 0:15:40.050 --> 0:15:45.010 New South Wales today to create the Police Armed Response Command, 0:15:45.730 --> 0:15:48.580 I've seen similar models overseas. I saw them in London 0:15:48.740 --> 0:15:52.870 and Paris. where they deal with terrorism, they're available to 0:15:52.970 --> 0:15:55.230 move very quickly into an area where there is a 0:15:55.270 --> 0:15:57.410 loss of life or terror threat, I think is a 0:15:57.450 --> 0:15:59.510 good thing. But, I mean, this is what we thought 0:15:59.550 --> 0:16:01.710 we'd get out of a Royal Commission when we had 0:16:01.770 --> 0:16:03.570 police give evidence, state and federal. 0:16:04.010 --> 0:16:05.710 That hasn't happened. 0:16:06.290 --> 0:16:08.270 This has happened well before we get the report from 0:16:08.290 --> 0:16:11.110 the Royal Commission, which just underscores, I think, what an 0:16:11.390 --> 0:16:15.170 absolute waste of time and money when it could have 0:16:15.230 --> 0:16:17.359 done so much more. 0:16:18.700 --> 0:16:19.780 Great to have you back, Peter. 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:21.770 Couldn't agree more with you on that point, and you've 0:16:21.790 --> 0:16:25.490 been very staunch in putting the spotlight on this particular issue. 0:16:25.670 --> 0:16:28.230 Dare I say, though, coming into this Royal Commission when 0:16:28.270 --> 0:16:30.890 we saw that it was announced... And the timeframe that 0:16:30.910 --> 0:16:33.040 was allocated to it, I think there was already some 0:16:33.180 --> 0:16:36.160 unrest amongst many of us who thought that this was 0:16:36.220 --> 0:16:38.700 going to be somewhat of a sham. And when you 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.140 have the CEO of Netball Australia testifying and you don't 0:16:42.220 --> 0:16:45.640 have the likes of senior police commissioners available, as you 0:16:45.710 --> 0:16:49.070 have highlighted time and time again, what was the purpose 0:16:49.150 --> 0:16:49.350 of it? 0:16:49.530 --> 0:16:52.670 What tangible evidence and results will we get out of this? 0:16:53.650 --> 0:16:55.690 It really begs the question if this was just a 0:16:55.890 --> 0:16:59.070 gargantuan waste of taxpayer money and of our time. 0:16:59.870 --> 0:17:01.490 The thing that I look. 0:17:01.310 --> 0:17:04.109 To when I assess everything with respect to the long 0:17:04.190 --> 0:17:06.230 arms is many police officers that I spoke to in 0:17:06.250 --> 0:17:08.899 the aftermath said, we've been calling for this for a 0:17:08.910 --> 0:17:11.700 long time, right? And that hindsight is a beautiful thing 0:17:12.420 --> 0:17:14.220 and that we would have benefited from being able to 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.600 have something like this in the face of all of 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.119 the threats that we've seen come out of ASIO, pointing 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:20.000 us to the fact that. 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.000 Terrorism is a real threat in this country. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.280 I support the decision wholeheartedly. But what I will say 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.770 as a final point is, is this the price of multiculturalism? 0:17:30.030 --> 0:17:30.280 Is it? 0:17:30.410 --> 0:17:32.490 Is this what we have to endure in this great 0:17:32.550 --> 0:17:35.290 country of ours when we consider what we have been 0:17:35.450 --> 0:17:36.209 and what we could be? 0:17:38.010 --> 0:17:39.449 And this is the price people aren't willing to pay, 0:17:39.490 --> 0:17:41.669 I think, if the polls are any indication. 0:17:42.570 --> 0:17:43.650 Let's go to the ATO. 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:48.000 They are banning the use of credit card payments on 0:17:48.060 --> 0:17:51.100 anyone owing them money. But poor old small business have 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.260 got a cupboard in the neck. They've got to basically 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.720 wear additional costs or pass them on. It's been pointed 0:17:56.780 --> 0:17:59.780 out to the government, Carolee, that this is a huge 0:17:59.900 --> 0:18:03.460 cash flow issue for small business. But, again, this is 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.369 the federal government that says, I don't hold a hose. 0:18:05.900 --> 0:18:09.850 Everyone's scrambling. You've got some ministers saying it's a good decision. Others, 0:18:09.930 --> 0:18:12.730 like the Small Business Minister, Anne Arley, saying, yeah, it's 0:18:12.770 --> 0:18:16.430 a problem, but the ATO has to fix it. I mean, 0:18:16.470 --> 0:18:18.350 who's the monkey and who's the organ grinder here? 0:18:21.190 --> 0:18:23.649 Goodness, good evening, Peter and Lucy and everyone. Look, is 0:18:23.670 --> 0:18:26.800 there anything left from the May budget that is not 0:18:26.990 --> 0:18:30.399 a complete, unmitigated disaster by this government? We know that 0:18:30.420 --> 0:18:33.300 the government is no friend of Australian small businesses. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:33.780 There's about. 0:18:33.780 --> 0:18:38.310 2.8 Australian small businesses operating today. And the irony is 0:18:38.330 --> 0:18:41.090 the Australian Taxation Office, last time I checked, was actually 0:18:41.130 --> 0:18:44.190 a government agency. So they can't even come to the 0:18:44.250 --> 0:18:48.159 party and actually work this out. They make these announcements 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.140 and they actually don't do the work beforehand. You've also 0:18:51.180 --> 0:18:54.659 got Housing Minister Claire O'Neill that's also come out backing 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:55.330 Anne Ali. 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.200 She's got major concerns about it. 0:18:57.210 --> 0:19:00.830 Well, fix it. Because the bottom line is all these 0:19:00.910 --> 0:19:05.229 small businesses need to be protected. It is perfectly legal 0:19:05.570 --> 0:19:08.400 for small business to be managing their cash flow. Some 0:19:08.420 --> 0:19:10.560 months are good, some months are bad by using a 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.440 credit card. It's been done forever. And instead of the 0:19:13.460 --> 0:19:15.840 prime minister being right over there in Cop in Fiji, 0:19:16.140 --> 0:19:18.199 why doesn't he hop back on the plane and actually 0:19:18.330 --> 0:19:20.629 sort this out? Because if he's not careful, there'll be 0:19:20.670 --> 0:19:23.929 more and more small businesses and livelihoods and Australians that 0:19:23.970 --> 0:19:25.030 will just be going to the wall. 0:19:26.570 --> 0:19:28.850 I know you mentioned COP in Fiji. I mean, I 0:19:28.890 --> 0:19:31.740 can't believe we paid $ 20 million to watch those clowns 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.679 fall asleep in their crazy coloured shirts, said poor old 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:37.360 taxpayers are struggling to make ends meet. 0:19:37.820 --> 0:19:39.320 Hey, let's go to this story about. 0:19:39.180 --> 0:19:45.170 An Islamic media group getting $ 300, 000 plus here, Lucy, from 0:19:45.270 --> 0:19:49.929 Tony Burke for media spin, despite having filmed a Dr. 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:55.800 in Afghanistan with terror leaders, Taliban leaders, labelled our soldiers 0:19:56.340 --> 0:19:59.960 as terrorists. A, we've got to cancel this immediately, but 0:20:00.010 --> 0:20:01.189 we've got to do a bit of an audit to 0:20:01.230 --> 0:20:03.550 see where else are we wasting money like this? 0:20:04.490 --> 0:20:07.410 Can you imagine now how the men who went over 0:20:07.490 --> 0:20:09.250 to serve and the men and women, in fact, who 0:20:09.270 --> 0:20:12.590 have served our country and have been on the ground 0:20:12.630 --> 0:20:15.510 in Afghanistan would be feeling looking at this, Peter? Is 0:20:15.550 --> 0:20:18.900 this how we honour the memory of the 41 slain 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.840 soldiers in Afghanistan? I mean, it's remarkable to me, and 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:22.460 it's not just. 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:23.700 Over $ 300, 000, over three independent soldiers. 0:20:25.900 --> 0:20:30.290 Muslim associated media organisations have received to the tune of 0:20:30.369 --> 0:20:33.730 half a million dollars and are supporting a preacher who's 0:20:33.770 --> 0:20:38.140 been banned in two European countries and who the UK 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.560 Women's Association actually pushed to have banned from. 0:20:42.580 --> 0:20:44.459 Visiting in 2025. 0:20:44.460 --> 0:20:47.280 Because he promoted messages like this, saying, in the eyes 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:51.630 of God, a person who commits murder, rape, including child 0:20:51.730 --> 0:20:55.390 rape and other heinous crimes, even on a daily basis, 0:20:55.510 --> 0:20:58.510 is better than someone who does not commit such acts 0:20:58.609 --> 0:21:01.949 but fails to pray, end quote. Is this who our 0:21:01.990 --> 0:21:05.030 government are funding? Is this who they want to platform 0:21:05.070 --> 0:21:06.190 and show support to? 0:21:06.730 --> 0:21:08.290 Shame on them. It's a disgrace. 0:21:10.540 --> 0:21:14.260 Let's go to yet another, sorry, economic statistic for the 0:21:14.300 --> 0:21:17.200 government here. We've got a lot of promises and a 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.919 lot of billions being spent on so-called housing shortages. I 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.760 still haven't got to the bottom of what is social housing. 0:21:23.859 --> 0:21:25.600 It's not what we think it is in terms of 0:21:25.619 --> 0:21:30.119 the Housing Commission, but that's for another night. $ 130, 000, says 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:36.240 the ABS, we are behind in our building homes target, Carolee. 0:21:36.660 --> 0:21:38.300 So how does Labor spin this one? 0:21:41.470 --> 0:21:44.270 To quote Seinfeld, it's not a lie, Gerry, as long 0:21:44.330 --> 0:21:47.380 as you believe it. We're being gaslit by the Australian 0:21:47.420 --> 0:21:51.140 government every single day. The thing is we've had Danita 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:55.189 Warne from Master Builders Association very clearly in the last 0:21:55.250 --> 0:21:58.510 year or so spell out what is needed. to get 0:21:58.650 --> 0:22:02.050 Australia's house building happening. But we've also got the migration 0:22:02.090 --> 0:22:06.369 problem and the volume of migrants that are coming in 0:22:06.670 --> 0:22:09.230 that are greenlit to be able to come through. We've 0:22:09.270 --> 0:22:11.430 got a supply problem as well. We don't have enough 0:22:11.490 --> 0:22:14.220 people to do the trades to actually do the work. 0:22:14.220 --> 0:22:18.340 1.2 million houses is meant to be the target, but 0:22:18.460 --> 0:22:22.060 we're 480,000 homes short. There have only been a couple 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.610 of extra thousand homes built in the last couple of years. 0:22:24.670 --> 0:22:29.030 We average about 355,000 each year. But the problem is 0:22:29.330 --> 0:22:32.510 we keep saying we have a lack of skilled tradesmen 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.750 and tradespeople, I should say men and women, But we're 0:22:35.770 --> 0:22:38.650 not actually addressing what Australia needs. We need to have 0:22:38.690 --> 0:22:40.900 a proper chat. But any time anyone wants to talk 0:22:40.940 --> 0:22:44.980 about the proper migration pathway to make Australia great, the 0:22:45.020 --> 0:22:47.619 racism card is pulled out. Whereas we've got to be 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:51.340 careful who we're actually bringing into the country. What contribution 0:22:51.420 --> 0:22:53.960 are they actually making? But the government, as you say, 0:22:54.020 --> 0:22:57.290 can keep saying this because they just seem to make 0:22:57.310 --> 0:22:59.169 it up as they go along. And then when it 0:22:59.210 --> 0:23:02.130 doesn't suit the narrative, they just gaslight all Australians. 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:05.020 Thank you, ladies. I'll leave it there. 0:23:05.060 --> 0:23:07.440 Bit of a fiery way to end the week. Thank 0:23:07.460 --> 0:23:09.950 you to you both. All right, now to the countdown 0:23:09.990 --> 0:23:13.930 to the Victorian election. It's next month. It's next month now. 0:23:14.330 --> 0:23:17.130 Just on six weeks to go. Plenty of promises from 0:23:17.290 --> 0:23:21.520 both sides of the chamber. Polling last week showing absolutely 0:23:21.580 --> 0:23:24.580 Victorians think youth crime is a big issue. 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.320 But what about that news today? 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:31.420 Rank and file police officers effectively being told, go easy 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:32.240 on young offenders. 0:23:32.740 --> 0:23:34.400 This is a directive. 0:23:33.859 --> 0:23:38.040