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Speaker 1: I got a team. It's Harps at Stiffanie and Cook.

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Speaker 1: It is Justin Renn. I don't know what his middle

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Speaker 1: name is. I will find out very quickly. Justin Renn.

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Speaker 1: It's us at You. It's the Bloody You Project. We'll

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Speaker 1: start with tiff Hi tiv Hi Harps. Well, now I

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Speaker 1: want to know his middle name, and you make me wait.

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Speaker 1: We'll find out in a minute. But now everyone knows

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Speaker 1: that tiff is a pugilist. She loves punching other women

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Speaker 1: in the face and periodically some men in the face.

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Speaker 1: So you've got you've got You've got another warrior, Christopher,

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Speaker 1: it's Christopher. You've got another warrior on the show with you.

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Speaker 1: Justin Christopher Wren. That kind of rolls off the tongue,

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Speaker 1: don't you think it's good? Tiffany and Cook, Craig, Anthony Harper,

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Speaker 1: Justin Christopher Wren. Anyway, Hey mate, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you so much for having me. I'm grateful

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Speaker 2: to be here with both of you all, and especially

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Speaker 2: if Tiffany is a warrior, I'm excited to hear all

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Speaker 2: about this too.

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Speaker 1: No, she punches girls in the face, mate, she's boys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you do yeah, but you don't actually think competition.

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Speaker 3: I don't compete against boys. No, no, you just boys

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Speaker 3: in the now speaking. Oh no, I can't digress. You

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Speaker 3: know the bloke that you punch in the face, that

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Speaker 3: wrote a song about you. Yeah, he's singing at the

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Speaker 3: Grand Final sure is yeah wow yeah. Justin's like, I

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Speaker 3: don't know about what that is.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear the song. I want to hear

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Speaker 1: There's a veryous there's a very there's a very famous

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Speaker 1: Australian musician called Mark Seymour and Tiff coaches him and

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Speaker 1: punches him in the face. And he's just released a

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Speaker 1: new album called The Boxer and it's got to her

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Speaker 1: picture on the front and the song was written about her.

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Speaker 1: So she thinks she's a big deal now. So it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a nightmare for the next few months.

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Speaker 2: I'm this is virtual, so punch me in the face.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Justin, thanks for coming on the You project. Tell

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Speaker 1: us where are you at the moment? In the States?

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Speaker 1: Where are you and what.

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Speaker 2: Time in the Austin Texas. In Austin, Texas, it's about

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Speaker 2: four thirty seven pm my time. I guess I'm speaking

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Speaker 2: to you all. You otherdear ahead, right, So.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in the future. We're literally in the future.

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Speaker 1: So welcome to the future. Thank you if you want.

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Speaker 1: If you want to know what, how is it? Well?

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Speaker 2: Is it all harmony?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Friday? That well, we make it to Friday, the

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Speaker 1: fifteenth of September. But I cannot guarantee the sixteenth. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the world's pretty precarious at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, true, But uh, I think part of my story

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Speaker 2: is I've been through big ups, big downs. The fighting

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Speaker 2: lifestyle is kind of a roller coaster ride for sure,

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Speaker 2: But man, what I've what I've found now is like

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Speaker 2: I went from fighting against people to fighting for people

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Speaker 2: and that really trans transformed my life. And it's been

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Speaker 2: the people that I know that I'll become my second family,

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Speaker 2: that they adopted me in that their tribe, the Pigmy

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Speaker 2: people in Africa, the central Central Africa, the Congo bes

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Speaker 2: and rainforest and Congo and Uganda men they are up

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to try really hard this conversation not

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Speaker 1: to reference Rogan too much, but who doesn't love Rogan? Right?

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Speaker 1: And I've listened to I reckon fifteen hundred of these episodes,

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Speaker 2: I loved martial arts. I bought the black Belt magazines

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Speaker 2: This is my now, it's my identity. If I could

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Speaker 2: And Tiffany would get this, but there's a body triangle

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Speaker 2: I've done most every psychedelic ayahuasca and psilocybin and buffo

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Speaker 2: Were trying to get our monthly donors up so we

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00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: can plan budget scale because our biggest project ever's happening now.

428
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Speaker 2: And just to say the vision part, the original vision

429
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: of actual work was thirty acres of land on two

430
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: in two water wells, So two water wells and thirty

431
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 2: acres of land. It has now become more than three

432
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: thousand acres of land. Wow, that they legally own. It's

433
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: eighty three water wells with eighty fourth being drilled right now.

434
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: It's six hundred and fifty one people that have transitioned

435
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 2: out of a literal life of slavery and into freedom.

436
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 2: But it's over fifty two thousand people that have gained

437
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 2: access to clean water because they have access to the tools,

438
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 2: and they have the education now the knowledge in their mind,

439
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: and they've been empowered to be the change in their

440
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: own community. So they drill the wells, they maintenance the wells.

441
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 2: It's their business. And that's been job creation through sustainable

442
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 2: agriculture and starting up farms and building thirty five family homes.

443
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: But it's those families that built them for themselves. And

444
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: then now it's growing into a health center and a

445
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 2: school and a community hub. And my meeting earlier today

446
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: was about the sustainable fish pond with catfish and bee keeping.

447
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: The beehives are on their way. It's just it's blossomed.

448
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: It's really been cool.

449
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: Hey, mate, I wanted to that is so good in

450
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: congratulations and I know you don't more congratulations, but obviously

451
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: you were embraced understandably by the pygmies and within the

452
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: tribe and the culture, and they love you, of course.

453
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: What about externally? What about the government? What about the

454
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: other tribes?

455
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: What about.

456
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: Was there any resistance for what you were doing outside

457
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: of the tribe.

458
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 2: Sure, yes, I've been held at gunpoint twice. I've taken

459
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 2: numerous women to the hospital after being getting raped and

460
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: terrible things. Well, there's been there's been resistance, there's been corruption.

461
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: But I think and I really believe this over the

462
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: last twelve years, doing this consistently and not being a

463
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: fly and fly out organization, yeah, but being one that

464
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 2: everybody we can trust meaning we don't help one side

465
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: and hurt the other, or help one side and neglect

466
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: the other, love one side and hate the other's. We

467
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: this is a community project for building better lives for

468
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 2: the Pigmy people and their neighbors. And so the clean water.

469
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: I've been to the funeral at least five children under

470
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: the age of five that were just because of water

471
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: borne disease that were the slave master tripes. So they're

472
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: living on about a dollar to a dollar fifty a day,

473
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: dollar to a dollar twenty five per day, and so

474
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: they're facing extreme poverty when they can't send a child

475
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: to school because that child has to collect clean water

476
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: during the day or dirty water but walking six miles

477
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 2: for it or six kilometers let me say that instead,

478
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 2: but because that's the actual fact. But when the wife

479
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: can't go to work in their single income family, yeah,

480
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: because she has to collect water. Or let's go even

481
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: deeper into it. We've done studies or little surveys whenever

482
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: you're a single income family, because the life has to

483
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: go collect water. But now the breadwinner has to spend

484
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: half of their annual income to treat the family. This

485
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: is about a dollar one hundred and sixty five dollars

486
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: a year on water borne disease treatment just to keep

487
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 2: on survived. Like, this isn't to thrive. This is to survive.

488
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: You're taking the pills and you're washing it down with

489
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: dirty water, which is going to make you sick again.

490
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: So now you've got double income family and you're keeping

491
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: it all. Yeah, because you have access to clean water

492
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: and you can buy the medication to get the parasites

493
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: or whatever out of your system.

494
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Speaker 1: That's amizing.

495
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

496
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Speaker 1: I wanted to know on a tangent. We'll come back

497
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Speaker 1: to that.

498
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: Oh, you're great.

499
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to know how's your body holding up? Has

500
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: what do you like, thirty five or six? Now thirty

501
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: six has a body? Dude?

502
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: You know it's it's a challenge. I went last time

503
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: and I couldn't believe it. It was one of my

504
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: shortest trips ever. And I started it with malaria and

505
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: finished it with malaria. So started with it and brought

506
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: it home and so the plane ride back wasn't fun.

507
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: But that was my That was I guess total five

508
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: times having it, and that's over the course of twelve years, right,

509
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: so it's not really that that many times, but that

510
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 2: has you know, I'm doing a lot of things. I

511
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: could point my camera outside and you could see my

512
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 2: my ice bath right there. You know. The theory, at

513
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: least from whim Hoff is is a tropical disease. Get

514
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: as cold as you can, as much as you can, Yeah,

515
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: and as long as you can. And so I tend

516
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: to think it's it's helping. It helps my mental health,

517
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: it helps my body, it helps everything. I think I

518
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: just got out of it not too long ago.

519
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, my spars are great, I mean physiologically, psychologically, great

520
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: for your brain, great for information, they're great for energy.

521
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: Do you ever feel do you ever feel like the

522
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: weight of responsibility? Does that get to you like with

523
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: or is that more like a responsibility that you enjoy

524
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: or is it is it peaks and trust for you

525
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: in terms of the management and the growth and the

526
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: kind of the building of the awareness around your your organization.

527
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: It'd see, great question. I haven't been asked this before,

528
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: and so thank you. I would say. At first, being young,

529
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: right like twenty three years old or twenty four years

530
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: old starting this out three, it was it was a

531
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: it was a joy like that that was really fun. Yeah,

532
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: and then whenever addiction actually creeped back up. So I

533
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: think it probably had something to do with malaria and

534
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: another surgery. I had cerebral malaria, so I had to

535
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: take these pills that can mimic PTSD, and so I

536
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: had to basically poison my brain to kill the parasites

537
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: in my brain, and then a shoulder surgery back on

538
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: oxy again. I think I really felt the weight and

539
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: responsibility like I was failing them whenever I when I

540
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: sunk back into addiction, and so that I would say

541
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: added onto like shame and condemnation and other things like

542
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: you have purpose now, how could you ever struggle with

543
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: this again? And you have something to live for? And

544
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: they changed your life and basically they saved your life

545
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: the first time? How could you ever let them down

546
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: like this? So I've gotten to a much healthier place

547
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: where like it's not on me, it's on all of us.

548
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: And there's there's wha Healy proverb. If you want to

549
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: go fast, go alone, If you want to go far,

550
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: go together. It's like this takes it. I get to

551
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: be the mouthpiece, and I do get to be boots

552
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: on the ground, and I get to be the fundraiser

553
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: and founder and CEO. So there's there's a way of

554
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: responsibility and make sure things go. But it's a it's

555
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: a it's a real pleasure. So my thing with overcoming

556
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: the process of overcoming addiction, I think is a daily one.

557
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: But I've gotten to a place where I feel like

558
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to be in a Dangerson saying I'm good.

559
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: But I've gotten to a place where it feels good

560
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: to feel good. And it feels different this time, honestly.

561
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: So the mind process there was like, hey, you can't

562
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: just always give it away. Yes, you also have to

563
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: take some for yourself, fill your tank or be connected

564
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: to the source. So whatever that source is, source of

565
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: love or whatever, like, don't you just give it away

566
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: allow some of that self love to come in itself. Really,

567
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: I had to learn to love myself like my life

568
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: depends on it. Why because it does. And then to

569
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: face it all, feel it all, because that's where magic happens.

570
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: And I think that's the birthplace of miracles. And at

571
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: least in your own life is like facing it all,

572
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: feeling it all because you can. I think I saw

573
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: probably a cheesy poster at rehabit right, it's like fear

574
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: face or fear everything and run or face everything and

575
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: russ you know, and you can take that as cheesy,

576
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: but it's something to me at that time, and it's like,

577
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: I've got to tackle this thing to become the man

578
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: I want to be.

579
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Speaker 1: And also, you know, the thing is that if you can't,

580
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: if you can't manage you like you need to look

581
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: after you first, physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, socially, whatever that

582
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: means for you. Because if you're in a great place,

583
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, if justin is well and healthy and somewhat

584
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: optimal for your capacity, then you can go and do

585
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: the things that you need to do. But if you

586
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: get out of bed and you're a two out of

587
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: ten before you start the day, you can't be a

588
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: great leader. You can't be a great mentor or facilitator

589
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: or whatever the role is. Yeah, that's why. And I

590
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: think some people who are like you, that are compassionate

591
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: and giving and you have a purpose bigger than yourself,

592
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: sometimes feel guilty to look after yourself first, but you're

593
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: actually looking after everyone else as well, because if you

594
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: can show up and you're in a great space literally

595
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: and metaphorically and physiologically, emotionally, then you can serve optimally.

596
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: You know.

597
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: That's a great way to think about it. I love that.

598
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to be selfish to be generous, dude.

599
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love that because I think I probably

600
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: had some default probably becomes a self worth and other things.

601
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: That was like, that's an excuse or that can be

602
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: other people's excuse, but it's not to be mine. But

603
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: because of that outlook, like that's whenever the crash and

604
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: burn would happen and burnout or compassion fatigue. And I

605
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: don't really think I got compassion fatigue, but I definitely

606
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: got burned out. But it was it's been such a

607
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: fun journey to look back on and go, wow, it's

608
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: still going. Like when COVID happened, I was able to

609
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: be boots on the ground. I wasn't able to go

610
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: for two years. They're basically shut down two years, and well,

611
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: are you kidding? This is like going into the rainforest

612
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: or the mountains, Like how can I not come into

613
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: the country. But it was it was an opportunity for

614
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: the team to show that they can thrive and still

615
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: accomplish goals, and they made great strides, strides that whenever

616
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: I went back I was blown away at how much

617
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: progress had been made, both physically like the structures and

618
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: the water towers and solar and everything else. How they

619
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: made progress like together and emotionally and as a tea,

620
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: and how they gelled and became even stronger through it all.

621
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: I was like, as a means, I want to know

622
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: a little bit about how the bullying led into the wrestling.

623
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: Where did the addiction start?

624
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: Like, was that.

625
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: I've never used I've never been drunk, I've never used drugs,

626
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm the most boring person on the planet, but.

627
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: It's actually pretty awesome.

628
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's just my background. I didn't grow

629
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: up with access to that, which is probably good for

630
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: me because I probably would have been a world champion alcoholic,

631
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: I assume, because I'm a bit manic with things. But

632
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: was opening that door? Was that part of getting out

633
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: of pain? Was that part of avoiding the the emotional

634
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: angst around bullying or some kind of other pain in

635
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: your life? Like where did that start?

636
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? I would I would say that that not not

637
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: everyone with trauma becomes an addict, because we all have trauma,

638
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: but every addict has trauma. Yeah, So I would say that, yes,

639
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: I could lead back to that for sure, but I

640
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: would say that I was straight laced through my wrestling

641
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: career where I had a goal and I'm not gonna

642
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: take a sip of alcohol until I won a national championship.

643
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

644
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: Then when I won that national championship, it was a

645
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: it was a it was a big championship like cup

646
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: where you could fill it vodka. So well, I thought

647
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: I thought I had thirty shots of vodka, but the

648
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: adults all around, like there were the people that had

649
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 2: drank much more than me, filled the bottle with water

650
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: after that, after fifteen. So probably from the very get go,

651
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: I was an alcoholic, but I would say the addiction

652
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: didn't set in until surgery and I got caught in

653
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: the opioid epidemic where I had three doctors given me

654
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: hundreds of oxy cotton at a time. Well and so

655
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: one would let me make sure that's correct, but I

656
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: had one that would give me ninety one. They give

657
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: me one hundred and twenty and one. Yeah, they'd give

658
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: me a hundred and eighty. It's not on hundreds, but

659
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: I would in a month, I would have a few hundred.

660
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: And it was I was told it wasn't addictive, and

661
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: I could operate a lot better than drinking. I was like, whoa,

662
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: there's no hangover. And since I had a serious surgery

663
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: and there was only a thirty percent chance I ever

664
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: compete again. And this happened before my fight career. I

665
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: was living Athaltic training center. I just you know, it

666
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 2: takes eight or nine days to get hooked on that stuff,

667
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: and I had it for at least eight weeks or

668
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 2: three months post surgery, and then they just kept giving

669
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: it to me. They never they never backed it down.

670
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: So I became both I liked it because of the

671
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: way it made me feel, but I also became chemically

672
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: dependent and actually physically needed it in my system because

673
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: when I didn't, I went through horrific withdrawals, meaning I

674
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: was laying in bed, I felt like I was going

675
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: to shake. I would have to move the mattress back

676
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 2: on the buck springs because of how much I was shaking,

677
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: or I was sweating almost through the mattress, and I

678
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: was eating a salad like good would fall off the

679
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: fork because of how much I was shaking.

680
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy that they like not only I mean,

681
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: they told you it's not addictive, that you can't get addicted.

682
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: But not only is that not true, it's the opposite.

683
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: It's possibly the most addictive comp pound in the world.

684
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: Right, I don't watch that new thing that came out.

685
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: I forget what it was called.

686
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah it's on Netflix, and yeah.

687
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: Frederick or something, and yeah, yeah, that means my stomach

688
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: urre in every episode.

689
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: And I said, I think I heard Rogan the other

690
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: day too. I think they said it's like they know that,

691
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: is it? More than six hundred thousand people have died

692
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: due to addiction, you know.

693
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: I think it's over three hundred thousand a year, LEAs

694
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: over three undred thousand a year through like prescriptions, and

695
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: so it's it's it's gnarly. Yeah, I would say, let's

696
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: give him the benefit of doubt. One one or two

697
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: doctor says it's the least addictive, and the one or

698
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: two of them told me it is not addictive. So

699
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: I had one kind of as a voice of reason

700
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: at least. But I didn't hear that. I heard it's

701
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: not addictive.

702
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's crazy. Hey, we know you've got it,

703
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: probably heaps to do, so we won't keep you for

704
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: too much longer. But I listened to you chatting recently

705
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: with another podcast. I'm not sure of his name, but

706
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I heard you just I would love you to share

707
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: this story if you could briefly about so last time

708
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: you went on Rogan, you reached out to him, correct

709
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: me if I fuck any of this up, but you

710
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: reached out to him and you went, I've got a

711
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: story I haven't shared, and he went, come on, and

712
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about your suicide attempt or you

713
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: wanted to open that door around that suicide conversation and

714
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: kind of got into the show with him, and you're

715
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: sitting there, and then you went, do I really want

716
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: to open this door? Do I really want to have

717
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: this conversation? And you said he was kind of throwing

718
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: you the softballs, and you were kind of ducking and

719
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: weaving and asking him stuff and just talking about shit

720
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: that you didn't actually go on to talk about, and

721
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: like you had kind of some level of hesitation, and

722
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: then he essentially went, dude, what do you want to

723
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: talk about? And then out of that the Brooklyn Bridge

724
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: guy and all of that. If you could, I just

725
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: love that I sat there, I was blown away by

726
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: that story.

727
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I will, let's see I probably can't pull

728
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: up the picture. But he's a friend now. And Chris, right,

729
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: what's that? Chris? Chris Chris. And so anyways, I went

730
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: into the show, and probably nine days before, a week

731
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: before I Texas Joe and so come on. And so

732
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: when I got in there, though, this is ill part

733
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: of the pandemic, and at least the tail end, and

734
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: someone in the studio tested positive that shouldn't have been around, probably,

735
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: And so Joe got a little flustered, not flustered at down,

736
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: He's just like, hey, his wife was going to bring

737
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: him a care package. They're going to take care of them,

738
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: all this stuff, but like, hey, be be careful because

739
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: it's like we've got guests and things. So right when

740
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: that happened, I started going aboard some reason, some reason

741
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: that triggered. It wasn't anything big at all, It wasn't

742
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: anything big, but for me, it was like, you know

743
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: what what am I doing? Am I really going to

744
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: share this in front of the whole world and in

745
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: front of Joe? And as a founder of a nonprofit like,

746
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: am I going to lose faith and trust and donors?

747
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: And are they going to think I'm not the right guy?

748
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: And so I literally started going through highlight reels. But

749
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: I'd already been on the show eight times. This is

750
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: my ninth time. And I'm like all the stories in

751
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: my head in that moment, like we're all blending together.

752
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: I think I did share that one. Yeah, I shared

753
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: this one at that one And what do we gotten

754
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: new in the tank? And where's the highlight reel? I

755
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 2: can just pull out of my ass basically, yeah, yeah,

756
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: And we sat down and I wouldn't do it. I

757
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: was determined to become the interviewer. Hey, I'm starting a

758
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: podcast anyways, I'm going to interview Joe or something and

759
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: and yeah it then the thought came in my mind

760
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: when Joe said, come on, man, because I was I

761
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: think he could tell I was like sweat and that

762
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: wasn't myself. And it was like, if it just helps

763
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: one person, do it, you know, it's just for one

764
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: do it just.

765
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: Quickly, just quickly. What was your hesitation? What was the

766
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: fear was it? Was it that you would basically damage

767
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: the organization? Is it that you would.

768
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: Well, sure, I mean I think probably at every for

769
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: the most part, human beings can have just a fear

770
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: of man, what are people going to think, Yeah, what

771
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: the added to it is is knowing how to donate anymore.

772
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 2: I didn't clear this with my board of directors, which

773
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: they're great, they're super supportive, but at the same time, like,

774
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: if I fuck up on that large of a scale,

775
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: is this gonna is this going to come back and

776
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: bite me in the organization? And by me sharing the

777
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: stories are going to hurt people and so so I

778
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: I was like, now if I'm not doing it, then

779
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: it was like it's going to help one person. Go ahead,

780
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: and I shared and I got off there and I

781
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: thought all I could replay was I bombed, I bombed,

782
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: it sucked, I'm never going to go.

783
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: Back again, or whatever, the biggest in the world.

784
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I went in. I went in deep

785
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: about my suicide attempt and when where I was, how

786
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: I did it, and then trying to get help out

787
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: of it. And I don't think I was fully I

788
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: believed what I was saying, But now I believe it

789
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: a whole lot more so if I shared it now,

790
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: I think that story is much different, framed differently. Yeah,

791
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: But that day I got a text message or an

792
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: Instagram message. It was January twenty seventh, and I missed

793
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: it because it was on Instagram and after a Rogan episode,

794
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: your request box it only holds ninety nine. It doesn't

795
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: do a ninety nine plus thing. So you check it

796
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: every hour and it's just like woo and check it

797
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: in and it's all new ones. Yeah. So I completely

798
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 2: missed it until he was going to message me back again.

799
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: And months go by. I go to the Conor McGregor

800
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: Dustin poort a fight. Dustin's raising funds for US. Manny

801
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: Patio was there. He's raising funds for a Fight for

802
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: the Forgotten. And I go live on Instagram and they say, hey,

803
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: scroll through here, You've got to see this message, and

804
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: so all of the comments were, go read this one comment.

805
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: So I scrolled up, looked at it, and it was

806
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: this guy that said, on January twenty seventh, I was

807
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 2: walking to the Brooklyn Bridge to jump off and take

808
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 2: my life. But I got a notification on my phone

809
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: Jor Organ dropped a new episode. I listened, thank you

810
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: for sharing your story. It stopped me from jumping and

811
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: I was like, WHOA. So I read that told him

812
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: to reach out. I would I would love to talk

813
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: to you someday. He reached out and I saw the

814
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: old message and I was like, holy smokes. So he

815
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: connected once or twice. Months go by again and I'm

816
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: on it. It's a gym here in the US and

817
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: in Austin, and I'm working out and I'm leaving to

818
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: go to jiu jitsu and I bled a little early

819
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: and I hear footsteps running up on me and I

820
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: turn around and I get bear hugged and it's a guy.

821
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: It goes I'm the guy, I'm the guy, and it's

822
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: a sweaty hug. And I came in helped me out,

823
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: what's that mean? And he said the Brooklyn Bridge and

824
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: I just grabbed him and pulled him back even tighter,

825
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: even sweat air, and just hugged him. And we took

826
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: a picture of me raising his hands. And he's a champ.

827
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: And what's crazy about that is, you know he was

828
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: in New York. He used to work on Wall Street.

829
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: Pandemic hits, he ends up relapsing, He ends up going

830
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 2: from Wall Street to homeless and Harlem.

831
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 1: Wow.

832
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: Then he gets attacked in Harlem and he gets hit

833
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: with four metal baseball bat or a metal baseball bat

834
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 2: four times.

835
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: Wow.

836
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: There's like seven guys like that jump to me that

837
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: he can remember. And so he was an ICU and

838
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: when he got out of ICU, he just was walking

839
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: from one hundred and first to the Brooklyn Bridge, so

840
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: like an hour hour and a half. And he said,

841
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: right whenever his feet hit the like wooden planks at

842
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Bridge, Joe's asking me, you know, come on, man,

843
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: would you would you come here to share? Yeah, and

844
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 2: then go into it right whenever he's on the bridge.

845
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: And so he said he was listening to it just

846
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: to drown out his dark, dark thoughts because he knew

847
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: who was going to do. So him and I connect

848
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 2: The next day, I speak out of rehab a treatment center.

849
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: I share a little bit of my story. I see

850
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: that he messaged me on Instagram again. I check it

851
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: and he says, can you send me that picture of

852
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: us together? I send it to him. But then I

853
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: start talking and the young man the first question in

854
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: the Q and A says, yesterday we heard about vulnerability,

855
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: today we heard about synchronicity. Now I've wanted to be

856
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: he said. He has always wanted to share that he

857
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: wanted to be an MMA fighter, and now there's a

858
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: MMA fighter who's being vulnerable sitting right in front of

859
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: him in a rehab where he thought he was going

860
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: to be like punished and stuff. So I'm like, hey, man,

861
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: you want to talk about synchronicity and vulnerability, Like I

862
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: got vulnerable and I said it was just for one.

863
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: Well guess what yesterday I met my one and that

864
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: synchronicity it happens. So then I'm walking out to the

865
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: car and this guy runs up on me and i'd

866
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: shared I shared one moment just because he had messaged me,

867
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: and he said, ah, man, I'm embarrassed about my teeth.

868
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: Nineteen teeth were damaged or missing and from the baseball bat.

869
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, hey man, you know teeth

870
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: or small potatoes. We can figure that out. There's emplay,

871
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 2: there's there's other stuff that can happen. I just messaging that.

872
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: I get to the car and a guy runs up

873
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: on me and he goes, hey, synchronicity, I'm going to

874
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: be vulnerable with you. Yesterday I was hired by a

875
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: dentist who wants to restore people's smiles. Uh. He asked

876
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: me to find the first guy. Chris might be the guy,

877
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: and I'm like what, So we drive I get in

878
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: hit his car. We drive to the dentist office and

879
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 2: we tell him the story. He's the highest rated dentist

880
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: in Austin five thousand and five stars or something like that,

881
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 2: and he treats Hollywood people and we tell him the story,

882
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: and he goes, I'm gonna fix this guy's teeth. He

883
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 2: happened to be a triathlete. So I bring him to

884
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: on it and we're working out and I pair Chris

885
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: and him and me together. So Chris is holding the

886
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: dentist's feet while he's doing push ups. They're they're they're

887
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 2: working out together, and we have this big surprise platform

888
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: right afterwards. And so right after he goes gets in

889
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 2: the dentist chair, we celebrate, We throw them over our shoulders.

890
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: We'd go that dude was a warrior. The next two

891
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 2: days he sat in the dentist chair for ten hours straight.

892
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: It was like a NASCAR pit crew changing tires and

893
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: changing teeth and it was insane. You hat like a

894
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: brand new smile that costs over one hundred thousand dollars,

895
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: And that wasn't That wasn't the finishing part of the story.

896
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: Like I get invited by Teddy Atlas to go to

897
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: New York days later, and I'm like, Teddy, can I

898
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: bring a friend? He goes yeah. So I'm like, Chris,

899
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: if you want to go back to New York, like,

900
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: what did the Brooklyn Bridge used to mean to you? Oh,

901
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 2: it's iconic, it's home, it's it's our symbol as New

902
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: Parker's I'm like, well, you want to go take back

903
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: that ground because what does it mean to you now?

904
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: He's like, it's the darkest place in my history. I'm like,

905
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 2: let's go take back that ground and write a new story.

906
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: And so we flew up there. We did the same walk,

907
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 2: we went to the same hospital, we did the walk,

908
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: and while we're on the bridge, you know, he's a

909
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: little bit of trembling, but hey, man, face it, I'll

910
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: feel it all. That's where the magic happens and good

911
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 2: stuff's going on from here. This is in your past.

912
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 2: You know you got a new future. A guy stops

913
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: us and ask Chris is that justin Rinn from Joe

914
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: Rogan's show. I got something to tell him and he's

915
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: like yeah. So he starts telling me the story. I

916
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: won't use his name. He was in the US military,

917
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: served with like Jocko Willink and some other guys, and

918
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: he tells me the story. On January twenty seventh, he

919
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: was in Mexico, same exact town as me, and was

920
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: getting ready to take his life, but since I named

921
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: that place, he decided not to do it. Wow, And

922
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: Chris just grabs him by the shoulders and goes, I

923
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: was right here, right here. Yeah, And I'm looking at

924
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: these two guys because I'm like, well, Chris was my one,

925
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: but you're the other one, and like, what you know,

926
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: how does this stuff happen?

927
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fucking unbelievable. Is is that a I mean,

928
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: how does that work in with your fight? Do you

929
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: believe that's a God thing? Do you believe that? What

930
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: do you think about that?

931
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I think there's good things and

932
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: there's God things, And for me, I can do a

933
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: lot of good but sometimes there's stuff that I can't do.

934
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: And that's got how to be the God stuff, the

935
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: good stuff and the God stuff, and so like that

936
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: that right there, like I could I could share the story.

937
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 2: I could share the story Like that's a good thing

938
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: to do. I guess it could have also been a

939
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: bad thing to do. But it was a good thing

940
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 2: to do, but like for the story to impact Chris

941
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 2: and the way it did, like that took something else

942
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: like that that moment Chris has asked me, he goes,

943
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: what if there was a technical difficulty and it came

944
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 2: out the next day? What if you were the guests

945
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: the day before and they had someone else that day?

946
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, whoa. And and then to be on

947
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Bridge at the same exact time with the

948
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: guy from that did tried it in Mexico, the same

949
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: place I tried it where Chris was going to try it, Like,

950
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: it's just too many things to happen. So for me,

951
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 2: I think God is love, and that was something really loving,

952
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: a loving force, a force to be reckoned with, and

953
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: a force to like change the course of my history

954
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: and Chris's history and that other gentleman's history, like change

955
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: the trajectory of our lives.

956
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask a somewhat personal question, mate, not

957
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: too personal, butter how are you? How are you now?

958
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: How are you mentally? Emotionally, physically has you has your health?

959
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: Thank you? Mentally, I'd say I've been tired the last

960
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: few days because I've been fighting something off, had a

961
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: bit of a fever and some other stuff going on.

962
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: But mentally, physically, emotion emotionally, I'm doing better than I

963
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: ever have. I'm fired like life's good, life's great. And

964
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: I woke up this morning and actually, before Amy went upstairs,

965
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: she's the love of my life. I told her, I'm

966
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 2: just so grateful for the breath of my life. I'm

967
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 2: just so grateful for the beating heart of my chest.

968
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm in a place of like tons and

969
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: tons and tons of gratitude. Physically, We'll see if I

970
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: ever get the fight again. I had a you know,

971
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: comeback plans and gotten some stuff happened, got an injury,

972
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: and uh, it might not be in the cards. And

973
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that, because there's life after fighting.

974
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: You're still training, Yeah, yeah, what are you doing mostly?

975
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: What's u? TIFFs is prick up? What do you what

976
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: are you mostly doing?

977
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: What are you?

978
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: Are you rawling?

979
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: Mostly doing jiu jitsu? It's been a little bit since

980
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 2: I've been in there with the heavy haders like Gordon

981
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: Ryan and John Danaher and Nicholas Maregali and my.

982
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: Wife from Golden Ryan. Dude, what are you doing?

983
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: He's fun. He's fun to train with. Uh And but

984
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: I've been going to morning classes like Hens with Gracie Austin,

985
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: Nicholas Maraghali and the Gee, been going to audits for

986
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: for stringing, conditioning and so. And I've been doing boxing

987
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 2: two or three times a week. That's been good.

988
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: Have you ever rolled with Rogan?

989
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: No, we haven't been on the mats together. We've we've

990
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: we've been in the same gym. He would pop in

991
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: a same place I would go to in Austin and

992
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: get a workout in and get a workout in with

993
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: his daughter and is a beautiful thing to watch like that.

994
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: Dude's so busy, had so much stuff going on, but yeah,

995
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: he's got time for his family for sure. And he's

996
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: a good dad.

997
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know how he does it, but he seems.

998
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: He seems to be the real deal. And I love that.

999
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: How do people support you and support fight for Fight

1000
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: for the Forgotten? Where do we go? How do we donate?

1001
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: Tell us all about that place?

1002
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I would say we just had a board

1003
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: meeting and the strategy is now is like we we

1004
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: would love a tribe of supporters supporting the tribe we

1005
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: love and so let's fight for the Forgotten dot org

1006
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 2: and you can give monthly there. And so we do

1007
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: have a fundraising campaign right now called Compassion and Action.

1008
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: It's on the header I give, that's what will go

1009
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: to And we have a two hundred and fifty thousand

1010
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: dollars matching gift Wow, So that means if someone gives

1011
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: five bucks, it becomes ten bucks. If someone decides to

1012
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 2: give forty dollars a month, that will be doubled. So

1013
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: we're we're hoping to find people that can find a

1014
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 2: sweet spot between twenty five to forty dollars a month.

1015
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 2: And if we get one thousand, ten thousand people like that,

1016
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 2: we're not there yet at a thousand, So we'd love

1017
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: to get that number up and we'll be able to

1018
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 2: scale and grow. And if I showed you what the

1019
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: plans of the place we're going to build, it's going

1020
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: to be one of the coolest spots in Uganda. And

1021
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: it's beautiful. It's beautiful and what is it?

1022
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: What does it give us? The one minute?

1023
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: What is that?

1024
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: Is that a is that a treatment facility?

1025
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 2: Is it? It's a whole community hub? So I would

1026
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: call it community empowerment and community development. So we're empowering

1027
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: the community that's been left behind in many ways, like

1028
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: the traditional way of life ripped away from them. So

1029
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: it is it is land, water, food, healthcare, education, So

1030
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 2: they're going to go to school for the first time.

1031
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 2: They're going to have healthcare. Last time I was there

1032
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: and I had malaria and I went down the mountain.

1033
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: I had the only vehicle right, and so it's a

1034
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: two to two and a half hour walk to the

1035
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: health clinic. A mother with our baby went into labor early.

1036
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: The baby was turned the wrong way. We lost both

1037
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 2: the mother and the child. So they need a maternity

1038
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 2: ward there and that's what we're building. Turnity ward will

1039
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: also treat water borne disease in malaria. We have a

1040
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: nurse that goes up there three times a week already.

1041
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: Now she'll build We're going to build her a staff house. Actually,

1042
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: there's gonna be multiple staff houses for the doctors, the nurses,

1043
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: and it's been beautiful.

1044
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: Man.

1045
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: We have the founder of Engineers Without Borders that's on

1046
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: our board of directors, but he is our director of

1047
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: Engineering and he's helping us do what he calls his

1048
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: legacy project. The thing that's his favorite things ever done.

1049
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: Wow, dude, you're a superstar.

1050
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: Have you been?

1051
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: Have you been to Australia? Mate, I'd like to come on.

1052
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: I'll run the I'll run the Australian Chapter of Thought

1053
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: for the Forgotten Man.

1054
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: That would be incredible. I almost got the opportunity to

1055
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: come for y'all's tomorrow. Tony Robbins is there at the

1056
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: Big Arena. Yeah, and I almost got invited to come

1057
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: speak there. So my buddy got it. But I uh,

1058
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do the speaking thing too, because what

1059
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: I think is going to be beautiful is sharing the

1060
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 2: story my own story of overcoming adversity. But how basically

1061
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 2: purpose plus performance equals impact and when you hope those

1062
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: things like, it's a beautiful combination. And anyways, it's maybe

1063
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 2: I'll get over there for a speaking engagement sometime. And

1064
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: I've seen some nonprofit founders do it from stage and

1065
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: they get all these opportunities with like big corporate giving.

1066
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: We've never really had that. We've we've survived off one

1067
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: time donors and that's been awesome. But now it's like,

1068
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 2: how can we do everything that's good?

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Speaker 1: You'd open a new door, go go where you can grow. Hey, Well,

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Speaker 1: say goodbye off air, but for the moment. Justin, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for chatting with us on the new project.

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Speaker 1: It's been great.