WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 14 September 0:00:02.660 --> 0:00:04.939 This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.620 --> 0:00:08.940 Well done, Shari. Don't forget, buy not just one, but 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:11.540 buy two. It's a good cause. Great authors that are 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:12.880 behind it. It was a privilege to be at the 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.460 launch last week. We love you, Shari. All right, let's 0:00:15.500 --> 0:00:17.450 get straight to this. Tonight, you got us on a 0:00:17.460 --> 0:00:20.320 blockbuster night. One of those ones where we need two, 0:00:20.340 --> 0:00:23.410 but we've only got one hour. So no mucking around, OK? 0:00:23.670 --> 0:00:26.310 Jacinta Price will be here. We know there's a bit 0:00:26.329 --> 0:00:28.990 in the news in relation to Pauline Hanson. and a 0:00:29.050 --> 0:00:32.330 podcast from a very, very long time ago. But more importantly, 0:00:32.350 --> 0:00:35.909 Jacinta Price is the shadow... Jacinta Dampa Jimpa Price, I 0:00:35.930 --> 0:00:38.150 should say, of course, is the shadow small business minister. 0:00:38.170 --> 0:00:39.870 We're going to talk about the massive problems that are 0:00:39.890 --> 0:00:43.030 happening there, more evidence of that over the weekend. One 0:00:43.090 --> 0:00:48.330 Nation have absolutely nailed the position when it comes to migration, 0:00:48.550 --> 0:00:50.909 if the polls are to be believed. We discussed that 0:00:50.930 --> 0:00:53.389 in a moment or two's time. And, yeah, we have 0:00:53.430 --> 0:00:58.100 to deal with this... The Minister for Freebies was watching 0:00:58.190 --> 0:01:02.190 last night's show and she talked about it in the 0:01:02.310 --> 0:01:03.810 Parliament today. 0:01:05.390 --> 0:01:08.330 Mr Speaker, I can honestly say I have never agreed 0:01:08.390 --> 0:01:11.410 more with Paul Murray than on this point. 0:01:11.790 --> 0:01:15.510 Never. I have never. My favourite detail, by the way. 0:01:15.550 --> 0:01:17.550 In fact, can we just get ready to play that again, OK? 0:01:17.709 --> 0:01:19.090 But do it with no sound. I want you to 0:01:19.150 --> 0:01:21.860 pay attention, not to the minister, not to Tony Boop, 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.080 but have a look at the Deputy Prime Minister when 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:29.000 my little name gets brought up. Oh, yuck! Yucky poos! 0:01:30.230 --> 0:01:32.250 We'll deal with all that in a couple of minutes' time. 0:01:33.010 --> 0:01:35.930 It was a strange afternoon. All right. As for our town, 0:01:35.990 --> 0:01:38.209 we will be in Bathurst in a couple of weeks' time. 0:01:38.330 --> 0:01:41.150 Cannot wait to be there. Now the race, of course, 0:01:41.190 --> 0:01:44.309 second week in October, but we bring the party early, baby. 0:01:44.350 --> 0:01:47.610 We always do. Sunday the 27th of September. If you'd 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.310 like to join us in Bathurst for our town, let's 0:01:50.420 --> 0:01:52.800 fill the room. Come on, Orange. Come on, Oberyn. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:53.920 Come on, Lithgow. 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.680 Wherever you are, get there. It's part of the school 0:01:56.700 --> 0:01:58.980 holidays in New South Wales, so no excuses, all right? 0:01:59.430 --> 0:02:06.330 Our town at news24. com. au. Our town at news24. com. au. Now, an 0:02:06.390 --> 0:02:10.670 update on Albo's red-hot rort, as we have shown and 0:02:10.730 --> 0:02:13.770 as we have discussed before. This is more than half 0:02:13.810 --> 0:02:17.400 a B for billion dollars that the government put aside 0:02:17.500 --> 0:02:21.120 to give out to mainly Labor electorates, and he had 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.239 to be invited to get the money. Now, they say, well, 0:02:24.260 --> 0:02:25.899 all of this is just completely normal, and the other 0:02:25.940 --> 0:02:27.740 guys were going to promise more. Hang on. This is 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.200 a slush fund. It's a rort. And it was a 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.270 way of being able to go sort of door-to-door in 0:02:34.330 --> 0:02:37.210 local areas and promise a pool here and a sporting 0:02:37.250 --> 0:02:39.440 club there. They're not the first to do it, but 0:02:39.470 --> 0:02:44.540 this thing from independent observers is a rort. Roll the tape. 0:02:46.340 --> 0:02:49.960 Prima facie, it looks like the misuse of public money 0:02:50.460 --> 0:02:53.080 or serious pork barrelling, as it's sometimes called. 0:02:53.300 --> 0:02:59.020 For every dollar spent in a coalition seat, $ 3. 0:02:57.780 --> 0:03:01.690 20 was spent in a notionally ALP-held seat. 0:03:02.930 --> 0:03:06.950 Now, I keep talking about this because it's our money. 0:03:07.030 --> 0:03:09.429 It's not their money. It's our money to give away. 0:03:09.470 --> 0:03:12.110 We're in a deficit. We owe the world a trillion dollars, 0:03:12.130 --> 0:03:14.460 but let's borrow and send it only to the places 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.080 where the Labor Party either is going to win a 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.320 seat or think they're going to win a seat, right? 0:03:19.900 --> 0:03:23.500 Something that even Channel 9 called out as being something 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:24.660 that stinks. 0:03:26.260 --> 0:03:30.130 Whereas the sports rort scandal involved a selection process that 0:03:30.150 --> 0:03:34.860 was corrupted by politics... Labor's infrastructure grants program seemed to 0:03:34.900 --> 0:03:38.920 have no process at all except to curry political favour. 0:03:39.380 --> 0:03:42.060 Sports rots was pork barrelling by deception. 0:03:42.550 --> 0:03:45.290 This is pork barrelling by design. 0:03:46.130 --> 0:03:50.790 Well, the update. The Senate has yet again surprised us. 0:03:50.830 --> 0:03:54.110 Last week they did exactly the right thing. Everyone but 0:03:54.150 --> 0:03:56.720 the Labor Party voting to get rid of the cap 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.400 on veterans. I'll get to that a little bit later. Today, 0:04:01.180 --> 0:04:06.540 the Senate has now established an inquiry into the red-hot rorts. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:11.990 This means the story's not going away. Now, the government 0:04:12.030 --> 0:04:14.790 may want to say, look at this podcast from six 0:04:14.870 --> 0:04:20.890 years ago. But the reality is, this is red-hot. This 0:04:21.150 --> 0:04:27.010 is about the Labor Party picking... the organisations they want 0:04:27.029 --> 0:04:29.919 to give money to. The perfect example, the Merrickville Golf Club, 0:04:30.270 --> 0:04:34.839 that miraculously was getting money from the Prime Minister, who 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.580 happened to own an investment property sort of on the 0:04:37.700 --> 0:04:39.979 edge of the golf course, that if the golf course 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.070 had been shut down, would be turned into apartments. And maybe, 0:04:43.130 --> 0:04:46.850 just maybe, that would have changed the outlook of anyone who, say, 0:04:47.029 --> 0:04:50.430 owned a house on the edge of the golf club. 0:04:50.450 --> 0:04:53.089 But you can't say that. You can't say that because this, 0:04:53.130 --> 0:04:54.990 of course, is a Prime Minister who is above that 0:04:55.029 --> 0:04:59.090 sort of pettiness. He doesn't play that game. Because look 0:04:59.130 --> 0:05:02.010 what happens when he was asked that question in the 0:05:02.050 --> 0:05:02.770 Parliament today. 0:05:03.930 --> 0:05:06.589 My question is to the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister 0:05:06.630 --> 0:05:10.830 reportedly owns a multi-million dollar investment property just 200 metres 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.580 away from Marrickville Golf Club, where he holds an undisclosed 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:19.480 honorary membership. Noting the Prime Minister's previous answers in this House, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.060 did the Prime Minister's decision to hand a $ 6 million 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.400 grant to Marrickville Golf Club to upgrade its clubhouse and 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.099 remove the sewage stink increase the value of his investment 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:31.780 property down the road? 0:05:32.700 --> 0:05:33.860 Thanks, Mr Speaker. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.980 That wasn't so much a question as a smear. 0:05:42.700 --> 0:05:43.920 And its imputations. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.260 Its imputations are completely false. 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.460 So, of course, the Prime Minister would never do such 0:05:50.500 --> 0:05:54.700 a thing. But what's to suggest that every single one 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:56.940 of the how many more projects that ended up where 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:58.900 the Labor Party wanted it to go, as opposed to 0:05:58.940 --> 0:06:01.849 the 150 members of the Parliament, who, let's be honest, 0:06:01.890 --> 0:06:03.849 the way this scheme should work is if there is 0:06:03.890 --> 0:06:06.250 to be a pot of money that the federal government 0:06:06.390 --> 0:06:11.359 wants to put out in place... for the 150 different 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.060 places around the country, then why not just an equal 0:06:14.100 --> 0:06:18.440 distribution of that money amongst the 150 MPs? And whoever 0:06:18.490 --> 0:06:20.450 wins the seat, well, their projects are the ones that 0:06:20.470 --> 0:06:23.310 get funded, right? But no, no, no, no, no. This 0:06:23.370 --> 0:06:26.910 is a very special fund, a better fund. And as 0:06:26.950 --> 0:06:30.390 even Channel 9 said, they didn't use the colour-coding system 0:06:30.430 --> 0:06:34.550 that did the libs in. They just had no system whatsoever. Well, thankfully, 0:06:34.610 --> 0:06:36.750 a Senate inquiry into all of this means it ain't 0:06:36.790 --> 0:06:41.310 going away. Good to see. Good to see the questions 0:06:41.370 --> 0:06:43.330 still being asked and good to see the Prime Minister 0:06:44.270 --> 0:06:48.029 getting very indignant about his answers. Wait, watch and see. 0:06:48.150 --> 0:06:50.450 There's plenty more in all of this. And again, while 0:06:50.550 --> 0:06:52.290 the government's going to say, well, of course it's completely 0:06:52.330 --> 0:06:53.810 OK because we're the ones who set the rules and 0:06:53.830 --> 0:06:56.440 we didn't break the rules, the spirit of the system 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.060 is something worth talking about. Do you think it's fair 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.100 that half a B4 billion dollars is put aside for 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.839 the government to spend as it wishes, based, funnily enough, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.930 off its political interests... Nothing to see here. 0:07:12.590 --> 0:07:12.910 Nothing. 0:07:15.430 --> 0:07:18.110 Now, another way of complimenting the greatest Prime Minister of 0:07:18.170 --> 0:07:20.620 all time, I'm sure is very happy for my shout-out today, 0:07:21.300 --> 0:07:23.620 it is, of course, H.Y. Alba. Now, why do we 0:07:23.700 --> 0:07:27.680 say this? Because remember when petrol prices were going through 0:07:27.700 --> 0:07:30.580 the roof, yes, because of a war in Iran, one that, 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.680 of course, this government did not start, but as I 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:36.830 have spoken about for years, I think it's immoral that 0:07:36.870 --> 0:07:42.540 this country, 52 cents of every litre of petrol has 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.660 a tax that goes to the federal government. Supposedly it's 0:07:45.700 --> 0:07:50.340 about roads. Seriously? Been on any roads outside of our 0:07:50.380 --> 0:07:53.790 major cities anytime soon? The money, if it exists, is 0:07:53.830 --> 0:07:59.390 being squirrelled somewhere else. The reality of the times are 0:07:59.470 --> 0:08:01.840 that we are under so much financial pressure that the 0:08:01.860 --> 0:08:03.620 government should get out of the way. This is not 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.040 like a tax on tobacco. This is about how you 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.910 power the vehicle that takes the family everywhere, yourself to work, 0:08:12.470 --> 0:08:14.370 or it's the one you use for work. But you 0:08:14.390 --> 0:08:16.330 should be able to go off and get an EV. Okay, 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.940 if you can afford it, fine. But you may notice 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.400 every car on the road isn't exactly a brand new car. 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.940 There are these things called used cars because some people 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.140 actually have to use their own money to buy a car. 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.050 Unlike the people in Canberra, of course, have the car 0:08:31.900 --> 0:08:36.109 bought for them by us, the taxpayer. So when we originally, 0:08:36.270 --> 0:08:39.150 months and months ago, were saying, hey, there's a problem here. 0:08:39.590 --> 0:08:43.160 It's immoral that you take 52 cents. And the government 0:08:43.179 --> 0:08:45.500 was saying, well, stiff cheddar, pal. 0:08:47.260 --> 0:08:50.260 We're back in the coalition's plan to slash the fuel excite. 0:08:50.860 --> 0:08:53.780 Well, what the coalition seems to be proposing is no 0:08:53.940 --> 0:08:55.360 ongoing cost of living help. 0:08:55.580 --> 0:08:57.520 Will you match it up? 0:08:57.540 --> 0:08:58.620 No, we've got our own budget. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.949 We've got our own cost of living agenda. And then 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.020 the opinion polls started saying, yeah, cut the damn tax, 0:09:05.140 --> 0:09:07.850 all right? You'll already take enough. Remember, the single biggest 0:09:07.870 --> 0:09:10.830 source of revenue to the federal government is the working 0:09:10.890 --> 0:09:16.780 man and woman. People who are pay-as-you-go. Second biggest source, 0:09:16.830 --> 0:09:19.970 company tax, but that's not even half that comes from 0:09:19.990 --> 0:09:23.630 the workers. Third biggest, the GST, which, again, doesn't even 0:09:23.670 --> 0:09:26.210 touch the sides of the amount of money that the 0:09:26.290 --> 0:09:28.430 worker gives to the government to piddle up against the 0:09:28.470 --> 0:09:30.790 wall on half a billion dollars' worth of projects that 0:09:30.820 --> 0:09:34.840 help them out politically. See how this becomes a circle? Well, 0:09:34.860 --> 0:09:36.800 of course, they ended up doing it because it was 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.080 the right thing to do, but also the pressure they 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:40.840 couldn't ignore. 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.360 We're announcing the Commonwealth Government will halve the fuel excise 0:09:45.420 --> 0:09:48.400 on petrol and diesel for three months. We're making fuel 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:53.130 cheaper today because we understand that Australians are under serious pressure. 0:09:54.330 --> 0:09:58.790 But apparently that pressure completely disappeared because the price of petrol, yes, 0:09:58.990 --> 0:10:02.130 ever so slightly started to come back down and they 0:10:02.170 --> 0:10:05.340 did it in a cheeky fashion rather than just one 0:10:05.380 --> 0:10:07.000 big up because everyone had noticed that and they'd start 0:10:07.020 --> 0:10:10.599 blowing up. Their theory is treat the Australian people like mushrooms, 0:10:10.620 --> 0:10:13.040 you know, keep them in the dark, feed them, the 0:10:13.100 --> 0:10:15.679 obvious diet, right? That's their whole plan. Their plan is 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.240 no one's paying attention. So they slowly but surely brought 0:10:19.260 --> 0:10:21.900 the tax back up and right now 52 cents in 0:10:21.980 --> 0:10:25.319 the dollar. That was their decision, their help for the 0:10:25.380 --> 0:10:28.120 working man and woman. Well, it was only for this 0:10:28.179 --> 0:10:29.020 amount of time, right? 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:33.210 Australian government is keeping its options open when it comes 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.630 to further discounts of the fuel excise. 0:10:37.110 --> 0:10:41.150 So the conversation today is there is a chance that 0:10:41.250 --> 0:10:44.350 the government is going to do it again. Now, of course, 0:10:44.610 --> 0:10:49.650 they shouldn't be... ever taking 52 cents of every single litre. 0:10:49.950 --> 0:10:52.930 And when they reduce it to 25 cents for every 0:10:52.970 --> 0:10:56.490 single litre, yes, it helps. But it's still half of 0:10:56.530 --> 0:10:58.590 the problem that, in my view, they should be getting 0:10:58.750 --> 0:11:03.000 out of that game. Why? Because everything else is expensive. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:04.980 Like when you go into the servo and you get 0:11:05.020 --> 0:11:06.859 your bread and your milk, let alone any of the 0:11:06.900 --> 0:11:10.000 other guff and garbage that's in there. All right? Let 0:11:10.020 --> 0:11:11.520 alone when you go to the other shops, let alone 0:11:11.860 --> 0:11:14.179 the place you've just come from or you're going to. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.679 All of it's more expensive. So this is a way 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.210 of the government recognising that they're getting between point A 0:11:20.230 --> 0:11:23.090 and B, that point A and point B costs more 0:11:23.150 --> 0:11:25.569 than they did four years ago when this mob came 0:11:25.590 --> 0:11:28.250 to power, that they're getting to point A and point B, well, 0:11:28.270 --> 0:11:31.329 they should make that as cheap as possible. And guess what? 0:11:32.050 --> 0:11:35.650 The pressure might be coming their way again to do it. Why? 0:11:35.670 --> 0:11:35.740 Why? 0:11:36.300 --> 0:11:39.260 Because petrol prices are starting to rise again. Why? Because 0:11:39.300 --> 0:11:42.059 the Iran war has not ended. Wasn't it supposed to 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.760 be done in two weeks? Anyway, separate topic. As you 0:11:45.780 --> 0:11:49.280 can see, unleaded 91 and E10 in Sydney from about 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:53.280 $ 1. 60 to more than $ 2. 10. About $ 1. 70 to about $ 2. 10 0:11:51.559 --> 0:12:06.580 in Melbourne. And in Brisbane, from about $ 1. 70 to almost $ 2. 20, 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:10.040 the average price there being some of the highest in 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.020 the country, meaning there is a chance we are going 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.780 to maybe, just maybe, see a reduction in the tax. 0:12:16.540 --> 0:12:19.520 Because one thing that definitely happens is that when petrol 0:12:19.540 --> 0:12:22.300 starts to go up, so does inflation, because petrol is 0:12:22.350 --> 0:12:25.230 part of inflation. And who is currently looking at inflation? 0:12:25.630 --> 0:12:26.510 The Reserve Bank. 0:12:27.350 --> 0:12:27.530 I.e. 0:12:27.690 --> 0:12:32.120 There is a direct link between petrol prices, inflation, interest rates. 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.679 The government is in a whole world of trouble because 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:39.300 of interest rates. They could, they just could, do something 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:44.060 about lowering the amount we pay at the bowser. But, 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.090 of course, to do that would mean they have to 0:12:46.150 --> 0:12:52.850 admit they've been wrong. That couldn't possibly be the case, right? Now, 0:12:53.070 --> 0:12:57.520 every time the issue of immigration is brought up, Australians 0:12:57.780 --> 0:13:00.000 think there are too many people coming into the country, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:04.650 not because they're a bunch of knuckle-dragging racists, but because 0:13:05.610 --> 0:13:07.950 we remember, those of us who were alive 30 years ago, 0:13:08.010 --> 0:13:10.720 when 18 million people lived in the country. 30 years later, 0:13:10.910 --> 0:13:15.420 it's 28 million people. In 30 years' time, we're pushing 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:20.320 to 40, 50 million people. And to anyone who lives 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.480 in a big city or a small country town, the 0:13:22.540 --> 0:13:25.800 roads aren't keeping up, the infrastructure doesn't keep up, there's 0:13:25.970 --> 0:13:29.250 not enough places in aged care, there's battles to be 0:13:29.330 --> 0:13:31.550 able to afford to keep people in their homes so 0:13:31.570 --> 0:13:35.030 they don't go into aged care, and so on. So 0:13:35.090 --> 0:13:39.010 Australians have always believed that the party that taps the 0:13:39.050 --> 0:13:41.390 brakes is the one that is going to give us 0:13:41.429 --> 0:13:44.810 a little bit of a relief from those pressures. Because theoretically, 0:13:44.870 --> 0:13:48.069 government is... trying to catch up to those pressures so 0:13:48.130 --> 0:13:50.480 rather than keep racing ahead why not bring it back 0:13:50.510 --> 0:13:53.980 to some level of equilibrium in the news 24 pulse 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:58.500 just last week we spoke about this here and australians 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.900 have a very clear view 66 say we should decrease 0:14:03.020 --> 0:14:08.270 immigration levels all right 27 say stay the same seven 0:14:08.290 --> 0:14:10.990 percent say increase well good luck to the teals who 0:14:11.030 --> 0:14:13.699 think that all the members of Treasury who may think that, 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.650 but the extreme majority of Australians, 66%, say, come on. 0:14:18.070 --> 0:14:20.050 When you want to get more detailed about it, 42% 0:14:20.050 --> 0:14:26.430 want a big decrease. 24%, on top of the 42%, 0:14:26.430 --> 0:14:30.580 want a small decrease. About a quarter, so stay the same. 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:34.820 The rest of it, again, is the cut-up of the 7%. Well, 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.660 there's a bit more in this today. The Resolve organisation, well, 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.600 they ask a whole bunch of questions and unlike us, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.080 they don't dump it all on one day. They try 0:14:43.100 --> 0:14:46.740 to sort of get a week's worth of little stories. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:46.630 Out of it. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.739 Instead, we give you all the data at once. That's 0:14:48.780 --> 0:14:51.820 every second Tuesday on this program and at the website 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.750 of news24. com. au. Yet another reason to subscribe, by the way. 0:14:55.210 --> 0:14:57.310 And when you subscribe, say you're doing it to watch 0:14:57.330 --> 0:14:59.510 a little more Paul Murray live. They do get the comments. 0:15:01.590 --> 0:15:06.080 Methods of reducing migration. 62% cut the refugee intake from 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:12.200 20,000 to 13,000. Ban partner and family visas for international students, 48%. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:16.620 Redraw the UK free trade agreement so UK backpackers are 0:15:16.660 --> 0:15:22.030 obliged to work in the same regional areas as other backpackers, 47%. 0:15:22.030 --> 0:15:24.150 What a surprise. When people are asked, they have a 0:15:24.190 --> 0:15:27.410 clear view, which is the current system, it ain't working. 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.810 And there's one and one party only who is not 0:15:32.230 --> 0:15:35.350 trying to hide behind the eternal story of growth for 0:15:35.370 --> 0:15:39.130 the economy. The Ponzi scheme of more people pay more tax, 0:15:39.370 --> 0:15:42.170 which means the government spends more money, including half a 0:15:42.210 --> 0:15:49.030 billion dollars on itself. So One Nation's plan cut $ 750, 000 0:15:47.870 --> 0:15:51.670 over three, 750,000 people, I should say, over the next 0:15:52.030 --> 0:15:58.280 three years. Now, which evil right wing country would do that? Oh, 0:15:58.300 --> 0:16:02.420 that's right, the left-wing party, Justin Trudeau's party, from Canada. 0:16:04.140 --> 0:16:08.070 This is what One Nation has explained the position to be. 0:16:08.570 --> 0:16:13.290 The Labor-Liberal political cartel has sacrificed Australian living standards to 0:16:13.330 --> 0:16:17.710 serve vested interests and demanding continued mass migration. Vested interests 0:16:17.770 --> 0:16:21.050 and elite economists will shriek at the prospect of these cuts. 0:16:21.690 --> 0:16:24.200 But in Canada... It shows you that you can cut 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.850 migrant numbers, take the pressures off rent and still grow 0:16:27.090 --> 0:16:31.890 the economy. You're kidding me. And people thought when you 0:16:31.910 --> 0:16:34.190 said North America, she was going to talk about the 0:16:34.270 --> 0:16:34.810 orange man. 0:16:34.850 --> 0:16:35.230 No, no, no. 0:16:35.290 --> 0:16:40.130 Instead, the Prime Minister of Canada. Oh, that knuckle-dragging racist 0:16:40.210 --> 0:16:44.080 that he is. He certainly has not had the blackface 0:16:44.100 --> 0:16:47.440 history of Justin Trudeau, so maybe, just maybe, he's not 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:53.250 as diverse as Mr Katy Perry is these days. Unsurprisingly, 0:16:53.550 --> 0:16:56.410 the people who are addicted to more people coming in 0:16:56.450 --> 0:17:00.450 because either it produces more tax or it produces more 0:17:00.730 --> 0:17:04.310 cheap labour or it produces more demand for the stuff 0:17:04.330 --> 0:17:07.060 that they pay went cray-cray today. 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.679 One Nation's policy is a recipe to destroy the Australian 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.460 economy and drive the Australian economy into recession. 0:17:16.940 --> 0:17:19.580 I am deeply concerned about what it means. They need 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:24.110 to explain all this. Alright, so let's deal with all 0:17:24.130 --> 0:17:25.870 of this in a moment or two's time. There we go. 0:17:25.990 --> 0:17:29.390 Thank you. So, little mention in the Parliament. Mum will 0:17:29.430 --> 0:17:33.149 be proud that her little bogan boy got mentioned today 0:17:33.190 --> 0:17:36.610 and by none other than the future Prime Minister, Annika Wells. 0:17:39.270 --> 0:17:42.200 Mr Speaker, I can honestly say I have never agreed 0:17:42.260 --> 0:17:45.300 more with Paul Murray than on this point. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:52.859 Never. I have never. That's because he's the guy that, remember, 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.480 we talked about his rorting when it came to those 0:17:55.820 --> 0:17:58.240 free public flights where he could have just gone to Melbourne, 0:17:58.260 --> 0:18:00.340 but no, he lives sort of in Geelong, so he 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.500 got dropped off there. Not that there's a link at all. 0:18:02.540 --> 0:18:06.359 He just philosophically disagrees with me. Anyway, it's all to 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.679 do with social media. So let's be very clear. In 0:18:10.700 --> 0:18:15.460 what I thought was not the biggest cuddle of a 0:18:15.500 --> 0:18:20.040 minister I've ever given, in fact quite the opposite, But still, 0:18:20.500 --> 0:18:23.080 it got the mention today. So I'm not going to 0:18:23.100 --> 0:18:24.720 do that thing where I'm going to show you a 0:18:24.740 --> 0:18:27.399 video of me on my show thing, right? I'm just 0:18:27.420 --> 0:18:32.310 going to read what I said about the supposed plan 0:18:32.330 --> 0:18:35.690 to change social media in the country, okay? Why did 0:18:36.310 --> 0:18:39.330 they get out there? Well, now, forgive the grammar. It's 0:18:39.369 --> 0:18:41.350 all off the top of my head. But here's me 0:18:41.390 --> 0:18:43.440 reading it back to you. Now, as you know, I 0:18:43.460 --> 0:18:45.720 don't really have a problem with the overall idea of 0:18:45.780 --> 0:18:50.020 these social media laws if it is simply to create 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.800 a scenario where if you want to press a button 0:18:52.820 --> 0:18:54.340 and the only stuff you can see on your social 0:18:54.380 --> 0:18:56.980 media feed are the people you follow, well, you don't 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:58.420 press the button and it looks exactly the way it 0:18:58.460 --> 0:19:01.250 currently does, which is the algorithm. That's what I said. 0:19:02.350 --> 0:19:03.929 The reason I got a mention in Parliament, though, was 0:19:03.970 --> 0:19:06.939 because I wasn't complimentary of the way the opposition has 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.000 been playing this, and I'll get to why in a second. Now, 0:19:10.500 --> 0:19:12.540 I think that strategically the opposition is in the wrong 0:19:12.580 --> 0:19:17.490 place with how hard they've gone with their no early. Why? Because, again, 0:19:17.530 --> 0:19:21.230 despite the heavy scepticism of this mob, despite my very 0:19:21.290 --> 0:19:25.350 deep suspicion in and around how slippery a fish the 0:19:25.369 --> 0:19:30.040 communications minister can and often is being, and she mentions 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.790 me in Parliament, right? Anyway... Is this one of those 0:19:33.830 --> 0:19:37.230 things where the kick is right in front and you 0:19:37.270 --> 0:19:38.950 don't want to be the person who unnecessarily made it 0:19:39.070 --> 0:19:43.389 too hard to make the obvious kick in front? Whoa, whoa, crazy. 0:19:43.790 --> 0:19:45.629 Paul wants to censor the internet. 0:19:46.150 --> 0:19:46.940 No, I don't. 0:19:49.020 --> 0:19:54.379 If... there is a plan to create a button to 0:19:54.420 --> 0:20:00.040 give adults a choice, I can't get that worked up 0:20:00.100 --> 0:20:05.050 about it. But absolutely set in stone that I am totally, 0:20:05.210 --> 0:20:09.399 absolutely and clearly opposed to is the power being given 0:20:09.740 --> 0:20:13.180 to the minister or any single individual to nuke stuff 0:20:13.260 --> 0:20:16.209 on the internet because they define it as harmful and 0:20:16.250 --> 0:20:19.470 they won't tell us what that means. They will not 0:20:19.510 --> 0:20:24.619 show us word for word what that definition is. Now, 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.740 we're making a request to see the legislation, but there 0:20:27.790 --> 0:20:29.830 are plenty of people who've talked about this already online 0:20:29.850 --> 0:20:33.290 who've said it's not publicly available. It's only being circulated 0:20:33.330 --> 0:20:36.510 amongst those that are negotiating it. So that will be 0:20:36.670 --> 0:20:41.610 tomorrow's story, potentially. But if you saw the show last night, 0:20:42.090 --> 0:20:46.159 can I be clear again? I think that the battle 0:20:46.220 --> 0:20:49.020 is finally going to happen in the Senate, which means 0:20:49.060 --> 0:20:54.100 let it play out in the Senate. And sadly, tonight... 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:58.640 The Greens are starting to talk about probably voting for 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.740 the laws as they are, including the kill switch for 0:21:01.780 --> 0:21:06.159 the minister. My point was, if the opposition stayed in 0:21:06.180 --> 0:21:08.240 the game for as long as possible, it would be 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:13.869 able to negotiate potentially that switch being blown away, or 0:21:14.109 --> 0:21:18.429 if the switch stays, then you can go nuts. But 0:21:18.450 --> 0:21:20.189 if it plays the Greens in, they're not just going 0:21:20.210 --> 0:21:21.790 to want one switch, they're going to want a whole 0:21:21.850 --> 0:21:25.149 panel of stuff to cancel. including the people and the 0:21:25.190 --> 0:21:26.710 content they disagree with. 0:21:28.790 --> 0:21:32.709 Researchers and educators have informed the development of this draft 0:21:32.730 --> 0:21:37.430 digital duty of care, but those opposite have responded no. 0:21:38.170 --> 0:21:43.070 Even Paul Murray from News24 gets this. Even Paul Murray 0:21:43.170 --> 0:21:45.570 can see that the Leader of the Opposition has made 0:21:45.609 --> 0:21:49.320 a strategic error here by saying no to basic safety 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:52.720 standards to keeping kids safer online. Mr Speaker, I can 0:21:52.780 --> 0:21:56.139 honestly say I have never agreed more with Paul Murray 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:57.859 than on this point. 0:21:58.240 --> 0:21:59.720 Never. I have never. 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:04.300 And yet, despite even this, despite the invocation of Paul Murray, 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:06.340 the Opposition Leader is saying no. 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:08.780 Even I don't say my name that much. 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:09.439 Anyway. 0:22:11.090 --> 0:22:12.730 The thing I really appreciate about all of this at 0:22:12.770 --> 0:22:16.020 the very end of my point about this is, if 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:17.760 nothing else, I just want to thank Annika Wells for 0:22:17.780 --> 0:22:21.320 giving us a very, very small part of her comments 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.500 today that I can take out of context like she 0:22:24.580 --> 0:22:28.280 sort of did my comments today. So, for example, next 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:30.699 time I talk about, you know, how much spending she 0:22:30.740 --> 0:22:32.370 does when it comes to travel and when I turn 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.250 around and say, hey, you know what, not the best 0:22:34.290 --> 0:22:37.110 way of spending the public's money, then I now have 0:22:37.430 --> 0:22:42.290 ready-made a little comment from Annika Wells to be able 0:22:42.330 --> 0:22:48.350 to say thank you. At least we can agree on that. Mr. 0:22:48.380 --> 0:22:51.389 Speaker, I can honestly say I have never agreed more 0:22:51.609 --> 0:22:54.109 with Paul Murray than on this point. 0:22:54.510 --> 0:22:54.790 Never. 0:22:55.450 --> 0:22:56.010 I have never. 0:22:59.010 --> 0:23:02.840 Alright, enough, enough, enough. But still, that's my point, okay? 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:05.960 We will discuss it all in a couple of minutes' 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:07.540 time with people who are in the Senate and in 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:10.510 the fight, including, of course, the great Matt Canavan. As 0:23:10.550 --> 0:23:13.090 you know, I love an opinion poll, and I'm keen 0:23:13.109 --> 0:23:14.989 to see what's happening when it comes to Victoria. Has 0:23:15.010 --> 0:23:17.889 there been a change of fortune since Ben Carroll has 0:23:17.930 --> 0:23:24.940 become the Premier? Jacinta Allen is now in the review mirror. Answer? No. Again, 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:27.340 the opinion poll just dropped in The Age tonight. It 0:23:27.380 --> 0:23:30.440 was on the Channel 9 News at 6pm in Melbourne. 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:34.939 Labor support since the poll before Jacinta Allen got the 0:23:34.980 --> 0:23:40.020 boot is down two points. The Libs and Nats up 0:23:40.220 --> 0:23:43.220 one point, One Nation up at one point, meaning there 0:23:43.260 --> 0:23:46.909 has been essentially no change to everyone's fortunes since the 0:23:46.950 --> 0:23:51.729 change of Premier. Unless, of course, you have a look 0:23:51.750 --> 0:23:54.869 at the preferred Premier stakes. Now, this, of course, is 0:23:54.890 --> 0:24:00.600 between Ben Carroll, Jess Wilson, Warren Pickering. And even after 0:24:00.700 --> 0:24:03.680 all of the outrage last week, guess what happened to 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.420 Warren Pickering as the Premier of Victoria? 0:24:06.900 --> 0:24:06.970 Up. 0:24:08.210 --> 0:24:14.690 Right? Ben Carroll, down four points as preferred Premier from 0:24:14.750 --> 0:24:21.909 when Jacinta Allen was the Premier. Jess Wilson, down 15 points. Now, 0:24:21.940 --> 0:24:24.420 she is still most likely to end up winning the election. Why? 0:24:24.460 --> 0:24:27.859 Because when you put the Lib Nats at 28%, together 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.580 with One Nation's 23%, we are now starting to blast 0:24:32.100 --> 0:24:34.850 to the number that is necessary to unseat the government, Pickering. 0:24:35.180 --> 0:24:37.940 Of course, from zero up to eight. But the number 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:41.440 worth really focusing on, the hope for Labor, is if 0:24:41.460 --> 0:24:44.810 they make it all about Jess Wilson, all about Warren Pickering, 0:24:44.990 --> 0:24:47.410 that maybe some of the undecided goes back to Carroll. 0:24:48.450 --> 0:24:50.330 But as I always say to you about undecided, cut 0:24:50.369 --> 0:24:52.929 it in half and see what happens. Well, even if 0:24:52.970 --> 0:24:58.600 you cut it in half, there'll be a scenario where 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:00.880 you give half to Wilson, half to Carroll, Wilson will 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:05.209 still end up in front. So wait and watch this place. Space. Now, 0:25:05.230 --> 0:25:09.000 of course, roads, still a mega, major issue in Victoria. Why? 0:25:09.060 --> 0:25:11.360 Because it's been ignored by this government for as long 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.020 as they have existed. Not last week, not last premiere. 0:25:14.300 --> 0:25:17.580 All three of them, multiple versions, multiple elections, the look 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.790 over here of Andrews, the how do you say that, 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.830 of Alan and the... I'm definitely not those two guys, 0:25:24.070 --> 0:25:25.330 but I was in the room and agreed with them 0:25:25.350 --> 0:25:27.950 all the time. Sort of Thunderbirds Act that he gets 0:25:28.010 --> 0:25:30.899 involved with. And we've told you just last week, the 0:25:30.940 --> 0:25:36.980 Auditor-General found half of Victoria's roads are in poor condition. Potholes. Now, again, 0:25:37.220 --> 0:25:39.109 can't fix a pothole. I don't trust you to be 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:42.570 able to fix the state. Can't fix the hole in 0:25:42.630 --> 0:25:45.190 my street. I don't trust you to fix the state. 0:25:46.410 --> 0:25:48.950 And the news that rolled out of Melbourne this morning 0:25:49.790 --> 0:25:51.620 is that this has turned deadly. 0:25:53.220 --> 0:25:57.109 A 71-year-old motorcyclist died when he hit a pothole on 0:25:57.150 --> 0:25:58.070 the Western Highway. 0:25:58.330 --> 0:26:01.310 Peter Mason was riding along the Western Highway near. 0:26:01.170 --> 0:26:05.680 Ballarat when tragedy struck and the pothole still hasn't been repaired. 0:26:08.150 --> 0:26:10.310 How have I left the best till last? Tonight is 0:26:10.350 --> 0:26:13.570 no sooks, no lefties. No sooks, no lefties, all right? 0:26:13.770 --> 0:26:16.109 That's what's happening straight after the break. It's what's happening 0:26:16.150 --> 0:26:19.130 with Senator Jacinda at Napa Jimpa Price. I think it's 0:26:19.150 --> 0:26:21.530 been clear from the start of the program. No sooks, 0:26:21.609 --> 0:26:24.470 no lefties. You're in the right place. A reminder, come 0:26:24.630 --> 0:26:30.320 to Bathurst. Couple of weekends' time. Ourtownatnews24. com. au. Ourtownatnews24. com. au. And, yep, 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:32.940 we'll talk about the social media stuff, the big red button, 0:26:33.109 --> 0:26:34.890 whether it's going to go or whether Greens are going 0:26:34.910 --> 0:26:36.730 to make it happen. All of that in a moment 0:26:36.770 --> 0:26:39.050 or two's time here on News 24. Thanks so much 0:26:39.090 --> 0:26:44.600 for watching. Hi, everyone. Thank you very much. Don't forget 0:26:44.619 --> 0:26:47.369 all the podcasts, all the highlights, all the videos, including 0:26:47.380 --> 0:26:48.850 the ones that may or may not be taken out 0:26:48.890 --> 0:26:51.030 of context. See what was actually said on the show 0:26:51.330 --> 0:26:57.430 at news24. com. au. Get the podcast, news24. com. au. No sooks, no lefties. 0:26:57.450 --> 0:26:59.910 The bloke who's the leader of the National Party, he's 0:26:59.970 --> 0:27:02.190 our mate. He's a senator from Queensland. He's none other 0:27:02.250 --> 0:27:04.290 than Matt Canavan. He's joining us now in Canberra. And 0:27:04.350 --> 0:27:07.310 no sooks, no lefties means Carlos Quaremba, member of One 0:27:07.350 --> 0:27:11.629 Nation in the Upper House in South Australia, joins us now. So, Matt... 0:27:11.970 --> 0:27:13.770 You may have noticed an opinion poll the past couple 0:27:13.790 --> 0:27:15.820 of days, and I know there's one every 30 seconds, 0:27:15.900 --> 0:27:20.240 but still, I was fascinated that 23% of people have 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.619 lost faith in the Prime Minister because of the lies 0:27:23.660 --> 0:27:26.699 that became law when it came to the budget. Even 0:27:26.980 --> 0:27:29.270 specific to note, and the black in this are the 0:27:29.290 --> 0:27:31.950 people who have lost faith in the Prime Minister, was 0:27:31.990 --> 0:27:37.409 the 16% of Labor voters who have lost trust in 0:27:37.530 --> 0:27:41.619 Albanese since the broken promise issue. Does this bloke actually 0:27:41.670 --> 0:27:43.939 realise the corner that he has painted himself and the 0:27:43.980 --> 0:27:48.020 government into and they think they're too clever by half 0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:50.860 solution to get out of it isn't working? It's not landing. 0:27:52.810 --> 0:27:53.810 Well, look, I don't know, Paul. 0:27:53.830 --> 0:27:55.629 I actually haven't looked at that poll too much and 0:27:55.650 --> 0:27:57.890 I'm not just saying the usual things. As a politician, 0:27:57.910 --> 0:27:59.189 I just haven't stopped today. 0:27:59.210 --> 0:27:59.950 I get it. 0:28:00.810 --> 0:28:03.010 But I really haven't had a chance to look at 0:28:03.030 --> 0:28:05.760 it in detail. But I know just talking to people, 0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:07.919 you don't need a poll to see that People have 0:28:07.940 --> 0:28:09.980 lost trust and faith in this government. Of course, part 0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.440 of that is that the government lied to them at 0:28:12.460 --> 0:28:16.860 the election last year, bald-faced lies, and proven liars don't 0:28:16.900 --> 0:28:18.480 seem to have a lot of trust with people. They 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.760 are proven liars now, the Labor Party. There's another thing, 0:28:20.780 --> 0:28:24.980 of course, though, that's driving sentiment against the government here, 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:29.350 and that's the complete, well, loss of control of the economy, 0:28:29.380 --> 0:28:36.360 but also just failure to seemingly understand people's tough economic conditions. 0:28:36.420 --> 0:28:41.100 We hear from the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers, constantly that it's 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:44.270 sunny outside. When people can see it's raining in their 0:28:44.310 --> 0:28:46.890 own lives, their living standards are falling, things are getting tougher, 0:28:46.910 --> 0:28:49.050 things are getting more expensive. I mean, Jim Chalmers is 0:28:49.070 --> 0:28:53.910 the world's worst weatherman. You know, he can't even describe 0:28:54.290 --> 0:28:57.470 weather conditions that are happening today, let alone forecast what 0:28:57.530 --> 0:28:59.690 they're going to happen tomorrow. And tomorrow it's looking like 0:28:59.730 --> 0:29:02.270 the storm clouds are gathering for our country with bond 0:29:02.310 --> 0:29:04.830 rates going up. And in that environment, that was happening 0:29:04.850 --> 0:29:07.470 before the budget a few months ago. In that global 0:29:07.670 --> 0:29:11.480 economic environment, full of uncertainty, full of trepidation, the government 0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:14.820 decided to break promises, tell lies for a start, but 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.860 then also jack up taxes massively. And that's exactly the 0:29:17.900 --> 0:29:19.920 wrong recipe we need. We need to lower taxes massively. 0:29:20.150 --> 0:29:22.969 We need pro-economic growth policies to guide us through what 0:29:22.990 --> 0:29:26.650 are pretty traumatic economic environments right now. 0:29:26.650 --> 0:29:30.790 100%. And look, if the media was occasionally, just occasionally 0:29:30.850 --> 0:29:34.250 interested in just the odd vegetable in the news coverage, 0:29:34.330 --> 0:29:36.430 we would talk about things like those bond rates because 0:29:36.470 --> 0:29:38.790 they are an indication about where we're going into the 0:29:38.850 --> 0:29:42.380 future and it ain't pretty. right? But again, look over here, podcast, podcast, 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:46.140 we'll get to all of that. Carlos, again, the visceral 0:29:46.220 --> 0:29:49.310 sense from some people, right? Now, again, also, I'm big 0:29:49.330 --> 0:29:52.550 enough to notice that 55-45 still remains the 2pp, there's 0:29:52.570 --> 0:29:54.830 the internal fight On the right right now, it might 0:29:54.850 --> 0:29:58.650 be getting a little bit closer than 55-45. But the 0:29:58.710 --> 0:30:02.430 intensity of those that are outside of the Prime Minister's 0:30:02.530 --> 0:30:05.470 tent is pretty intense. 0:30:07.390 --> 0:30:09.980 Yeah, mate, I think things are heating up for the 0:30:10.020 --> 0:30:13.060 Prime Minister because for too long he's lied about so 0:30:13.100 --> 0:30:15.370 many things. But now I don't think he even knows 0:30:15.390 --> 0:30:18.450 which way he's up. If he's falling off a stage 0:30:18.590 --> 0:30:22.030 or he's just lying about the economy, people have had 0:30:22.070 --> 0:30:24.870 a gutful and I think that's why they're gravitating towards 0:30:25.390 --> 0:30:28.260 One Nation and Pauline because we've called it the way 0:30:28.300 --> 0:30:30.460 it is from day dot and if you don't like it, 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:32.780 it is what it is. But we've never had an 0:30:33.020 --> 0:30:36.080 issue with these sort of things. 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:40.000 Now, Carlos, I mentioned before about One Nation, a very 0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:43.700 hardcore cut when it comes to, migration. We've seen everything 0:30:43.780 --> 0:30:46.300 from the people saying the problems when it comes to 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:50.540 the tax base, to the worker base. Let's get specific 0:30:50.580 --> 0:30:52.960 about South Australia. If you cut off a system of 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:54.880 anyone being able to come into the country to do 0:30:54.900 --> 0:30:57.520 the job that South Australians don't want to do, does 0:30:57.540 --> 0:31:00.420 that not create a problem or is the theory that 0:31:00.900 --> 0:31:03.640 the people get offered more to do the jobs they 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:06.540 wouldn't have otherwise do, meaning they would start doing it? 0:31:08.330 --> 0:31:09.290 Well, that's correct, Paul. 0:31:09.350 --> 0:31:12.030 And look, in South Australia, we've got a Premier who's 0:31:12.070 --> 0:31:14.680 made it very clear that he's all about mass migration, 0:31:15.100 --> 0:31:19.020 irrespective of what damage that does to our state. I 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.110 speak to a lot of businesses, and yes, they do 0:31:21.140 --> 0:31:23.090 struggle to get workers, but at the same time, they 0:31:23.110 --> 0:31:25.990 say the same things. Australians don't want to do the job. Well, 0:31:26.090 --> 0:31:29.770 I'm sorry, that's unacceptable. We have 690,000 people in this 0:31:29.810 --> 0:31:33.190 country that aren't working, roughly costing us around $ 19 billion 0:31:33.250 --> 0:31:35.570 a year. Let's get some of those people back to 0:31:35.610 --> 0:31:38.070 work before we keep bringing people in. And I think 0:31:38.090 --> 0:31:40.090 that's what's going to be better for productivity. It's going 0:31:40.110 --> 0:31:41.600 to be better for the economy. It's going to be 0:31:41.620 --> 0:31:42.860 better for the country as a whole. 0:31:43.820 --> 0:31:47.160 Matt, again, you're a person who understands, has spoken about 0:31:47.180 --> 0:31:49.220 the need to bring the number down. The One Nation 0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:53.430 number is, well, as hard as they're going here, There'll 0:31:53.450 --> 0:31:56.240 be plenty of people watching right now who go, yeah, great, awesome. 0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:58.460 But what's the consequence of the yeah, great, awesome? 0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.480 Well, numbers do have to come down. I agree with 0:32:02.740 --> 0:32:05.980 One Nation on that. But we do have to recognise 0:32:06.030 --> 0:32:08.570 that there's an impact on our economy, on our budget 0:32:08.610 --> 0:32:12.260 from any change in policy. The policy that was announced 0:32:12.300 --> 0:32:15.220 by One Nation today did not have costings. They weren't 0:32:15.300 --> 0:32:19.239 in the eight-page release that I saw. They didn't actually 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.410 go through exactly what visa classes would be reduced in 0:32:22.490 --> 0:32:25.170 each year. It was a total figure, but the annual 0:32:25.210 --> 0:32:27.650 figure is really what industries want to know, and that's 0:32:27.670 --> 0:32:29.390 why we've seen the reaction from the business community. 0:32:29.750 --> 0:32:32.910 And then on top of that, we had Pauline Nowhere today. 0:32:32.930 --> 0:32:34.930 I mean, this is a big announcement for One Nation, 0:32:36.250 --> 0:32:38.730 and there was a video released on social media today 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.440 But the typical way things work in this place, particularly 0:32:42.460 --> 0:32:43.960 when we're sitting, is you can answer a big policy, 0:32:44.380 --> 0:32:46.110 get out there and explain it and answer any questions 0:32:46.140 --> 0:32:49.440 that the media has. And, you know, that does call 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.250 into question for me, is One Nation going to be 0:32:52.330 --> 0:32:55.650 able to govern the country and get through the meat 0:32:55.690 --> 0:33:00.030 grinder that is this building and the prime ministership? You've 0:33:00.050 --> 0:33:02.330 got to be able to answer the tough questions. So, look, 0:33:02.370 --> 0:33:05.490 maybe tomorrow we'll see Pauline pop up and answer those questions. 0:33:05.510 --> 0:33:07.170 There's a lot of questions about this policy, about how 0:33:07.190 --> 0:33:08.970 much it will cost, when it's going to happen each year. 0:33:10.350 --> 0:33:11.170 The latest should be out there. 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:13.400 Now, we certainly know that the media would have peppered 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:15.460 lots of questions in and around podcasts and what was 0:33:15.850 --> 0:33:18.770 said one month ago, a year ago, all of that. 0:33:19.010 --> 0:33:21.750 The focus today was comments in and around Indigenous Australians. 0:33:21.950 --> 0:33:25.070 Senator Jacinta Nampajimpa-Price joins us. Other side of the break, 0:33:25.090 --> 0:33:27.170 we'll get her reaction to that. But let's talk about 0:33:27.190 --> 0:33:31.360 the social media laws that are currently being discussed. So, Matt, again, 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.940 we've made it all very clear what today's game has been. 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.940 The Greens are starting to say publicly that they're probably 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:41.330 going to back this in, which means that this thing 0:33:41.390 --> 0:33:43.070 is either going to be unchanged or will be a 0:33:43.090 --> 0:33:47.890 more hyped up version than what's currently on the table. Again, 0:33:47.910 --> 0:33:51.290 I want to see the legislation, but no one's showing 0:33:51.550 --> 0:33:55.410 literally the legislation that's being debated right now. Because for me, again, 0:33:55.470 --> 0:33:58.210 as somebody who's willing to give this, this much of 0:33:58.260 --> 0:34:00.880 a benefit of the doubt to the concept in and 0:34:00.940 --> 0:34:03.460 around the algorithm, right? But as soon as I hear, 0:34:03.740 --> 0:34:06.160 you know, the minister has the right to blow anything 0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.649 off the internet that she finds harmful, And harmful, we know, 0:34:09.770 --> 0:34:13.910 is a definition a mile wide and two millimetres deep. That's, 0:34:13.950 --> 0:34:16.740 of course, what starts to concern me. But why can't 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:18.620 they just hold up the piece of paper and say, 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:22.100 when we say harmful, we mean this definition, this definition 0:34:22.260 --> 0:34:23.140 and this definition? 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.779 Well, there's a definition there in the exposure draft, Paul, 0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:30.530 but as you say, it's not well defined or constrained. 0:34:31.570 --> 0:34:32.270 And obviously. 0:34:32.910 --> 0:34:35.390 some of the things that the government has described as 0:34:35.430 --> 0:34:40.210 harmful is, for example, people being attracted to right-wing politics 0:34:40.250 --> 0:34:45.219 from being online. They never mention extreme left-wing individuals somehow. 0:34:45.300 --> 0:34:48.040 It's always just people on the extreme right. Other things 0:34:48.060 --> 0:34:49.960 that are harmful, from the very minister who will be 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:53.359 in charge here, Annika Wells, she thinks it's harmful that 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:56.180 people no longer trust her anymore because of what they 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.910 read on social media, at least according to her. As 0:34:58.989 --> 0:35:02.020 we said earlier, I think Annika... People might not trust 0:35:02.060 --> 0:35:04.930 you because you, I don't know, lied to them. That 0:35:04.989 --> 0:35:08.930 might be at the heart of why the public aren't 0:35:08.950 --> 0:35:09.380 trusting you. 0:35:09.390 --> 0:35:11.730 And bushies were both house and currency. 0:35:12.630 --> 0:35:14.680 All of this stuff is about trust ultimately, Paul. 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:18.040 Like if you're going to give people extraordinary power to 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.500 decide what we can read and write and hear online... 0:35:21.660 --> 0:35:23.180 You've got to be able to trust that person. They're 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.620 not going to abuse that extraordinary power. And these people 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.069 cannot be trusted, both because they lied, but also because 0:35:28.090 --> 0:35:31.049 they're explicitly out there saying that one of the problems 0:35:31.070 --> 0:35:33.090 with social media is that people don't vote for us anymore. 0:35:33.430 --> 0:35:35.009 I don't think anybody with those sort of views should 0:35:35.050 --> 0:35:38.089 be entrusted with this kind of oversight of what we say. 0:35:38.390 --> 0:35:40.990 Yeah. Carlos, your thoughts on what seems to be coming 0:35:41.010 --> 0:35:43.760 down the pike? And again, with the Greens most likely 0:35:43.780 --> 0:35:45.700 to back it, it's probably not going to change from 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:47.540 what's being put in front of us right now. 0:35:49.940 --> 0:35:52.700 No, that's a scary thought. I heard you saying earlier, Paul, 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:54.840 that you would hope that there was some sort of 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:56.760 a button. Well, there is a button already. It's called 0:35:56.780 --> 0:35:58.989 the off button. Just put the phone down, put the 0:35:59.030 --> 0:36:01.690 social media down, get outside, get some fresh air into you. 0:36:02.030 --> 0:36:04.330 But my concern is too, and this is what they're 0:36:04.350 --> 0:36:06.989 not thinking about, is right now it might suit their purposes, 0:36:07.310 --> 0:36:09.820 but what happens when the pendulum swings the other way, 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:12.640 as we've seen in the US? And these are the 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.000 things we don't need. We need open and honest debate 0:36:15.020 --> 0:36:17.020 and discussion about things. And the minute we start to 0:36:17.060 --> 0:36:19.680 silence people, all you're saying to everybody else is, Not 0:36:19.700 --> 0:36:21.700 necessarily that I don't like, you know, don't trust what 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:23.640 you're saying, just that I don't like you. And I 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:26.060 think that's a really bad society and a bad way 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:26.840 of setting things up. 0:36:27.180 --> 0:36:31.210 Well, also, again, if this plan is as simple as 0:36:31.230 --> 0:36:34.650 it's presented, everyone would be able to explain that and 0:36:34.670 --> 0:36:36.480 to be able to say, hey, look, Despite what you hear, 0:36:36.500 --> 0:36:38.950 this is what the plan is. Instead, we've got ministers 0:36:38.989 --> 0:36:41.810 out and about, like, yeah, surprise, surprise, Anne Arleigh, who, remember, 0:36:41.830 --> 0:36:44.569 was pretending that Pauline Hanson was going to ban what 0:36:44.610 --> 0:36:47.430 people could say inside their house between their nonnas and 0:36:47.489 --> 0:36:49.950 that garbage, right? And she's just saying the reason we 0:36:49.969 --> 0:36:51.510 need to do something is because here's all the nasty 0:36:51.550 --> 0:36:53.779 things that have been said about me on the internet. What? 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:57.100 Hang on, what? Like, the idea of the comments section 0:36:57.500 --> 0:37:00.960 being the justification for the regulation, and then I get 0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.850 confused when the minister bangs around and talks about, you know, 0:37:03.870 --> 0:37:06.469 won't someone think of the children, Matt? Because I thought 0:37:06.489 --> 0:37:08.570 we passed a piece of legislation that already got the 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:10.600 children off social media. 0:37:11.890 --> 0:37:14.100 I actually said that in the chamber today, Paul, in 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.880 question time. It became to me like that Simpsons episode, 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:18.460 you know, won't somebody think. 0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:18.900 Of the children? 0:37:18.980 --> 0:37:22.770 Like that was their whole justification for this without going 0:37:22.810 --> 0:37:25.110 into that detail, as you say. And I think we 0:37:25.150 --> 0:37:27.770 live in a country where, guess what, you should be 0:37:27.850 --> 0:37:31.980 free to insult your politicians. I'm sorry, I've got a 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.400 coppet in my role and Carlos now has a role 0:37:34.460 --> 0:37:37.600 and It comes with the territory, right? It's an Australian 0:37:37.660 --> 0:37:41.240 tradition perhaps. Now, of course, people should be respectful. People 0:37:41.620 --> 0:37:48.700 should not use explicit language. But you've got to be 0:37:48.739 --> 0:37:49.930 able to cop it in this role. 0:37:49.950 --> 0:37:51.870 If you can't cop the heat, get out of the kitchen. 0:37:52.270 --> 0:37:55.109 All right. I want to talk quickly about data centres because, again, 0:37:55.570 --> 0:37:57.489 I know I'm supposed to come here fully formed and 0:37:57.550 --> 0:37:59.719 absolute in every single one of my views. I am 0:37:59.910 --> 0:38:03.940 so legitimately 50-50 about data centers, right? Because every time 0:38:03.980 --> 0:38:05.860 I read something, I get pushed into the camp of, oh, 0:38:05.900 --> 0:38:08.259 this is the future. Or, okay, dear God, do everything 0:38:08.300 --> 0:38:11.690 you can to stop it. Carlos, in South Australia, right, 0:38:12.170 --> 0:38:14.270 so I'm trying to learn from people that I trust, 0:38:14.290 --> 0:38:16.310 and I trust you both here. In South Australia, what 0:38:16.350 --> 0:38:19.090 is the position when it comes to data centres? Are 0:38:19.130 --> 0:38:23.190 local councils able to demand that the company fixes roads 0:38:23.270 --> 0:38:25.770 for them? Is the South Australian government thinking about a 0:38:25.830 --> 0:38:28.109 new tax? How is it rolling out, or do they 0:38:28.130 --> 0:38:30.530 just buy a plot of land and you're living next 0:38:30.790 --> 0:38:34.489 door to something that buzzes for 24 hours a day? Well. 0:38:35.090 --> 0:38:38.319 Well, Paul, so far we've seen a lot of these 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:41.339 data centres just buying up land and then going to 0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:44.069 the councils and going to the state government. But our 0:38:44.140 --> 0:38:46.390 Premier has made it clear that data centres are going 0:38:46.450 --> 0:38:47.710 ahead full steam. 0:38:48.010 --> 0:38:49.090 But he is having a Royal. 0:38:48.930 --> 0:38:51.589 Commission on AI, so I don't understand how that's going 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:54.870 to work. My concern is, and it's a very simple one, 0:38:54.930 --> 0:38:56.609 is how are we going to feed these things with 0:38:56.660 --> 0:38:59.420 power when we have the most expensive power and the 0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:03.380 highest concentration of renewables, not to mention we're the driest 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:06.000 state in the driest country? So I don't even know 0:39:06.020 --> 0:39:08.470 if these things are even going to get up. And so, look, 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:10.830 I think it's important that we look into data centres 0:39:10.850 --> 0:39:13.549 because obviously we want to possibly keep our data here 0:39:13.590 --> 0:39:15.310 in Australia and we don't want to be left behind 0:39:15.330 --> 0:39:17.190 when it comes to AI. But I don't know if 0:39:17.210 --> 0:39:19.230 South Australia would be where I'd be sort of leaning 0:39:19.250 --> 0:39:23.299 my AI and data centre direction. coming from because, as 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.839 I said, I think this Premier is just completely cooked. 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.569 Maybe you can drop them all sort of end-to-end into 0:39:29.610 --> 0:39:33.020 the ocean between, you know, the mainland and KI and 0:39:33.060 --> 0:39:35.540 you'd be able to just drive to KI. Maybe that's 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:37.940 the idea when it comes to water. But, Matt, there 0:39:37.980 --> 0:39:40.120 must be a small part of you that is mildly 0:39:40.180 --> 0:39:44.500 amused at the anger that these things produce when people 0:39:45.130 --> 0:39:47.690 The political class, the media class and much of the 0:39:47.710 --> 0:39:50.580 populace has been more than happy for the renewables revolution 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.020 to just roll right on through a valley near you. 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:56.820 Yeah. Yeah, exactly right, Paul. 0:39:56.900 --> 0:40:01.000 And no different from that renewable rollout, these developments have 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.640 got to get local support. And I think what David 0:40:03.660 --> 0:40:05.500 Christopher said the other day was one of the more 0:40:05.820 --> 0:40:08.189 sensible things that has been said and that he wants 0:40:08.230 --> 0:40:10.660 to see is that if data centres come to town, 0:40:10.980 --> 0:40:11.600 that people. 0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:14.259 End up with more power or more water than what 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:15.060 they had before. 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:19.049 And this is not unusual when large-scale developments occur, particularly, say, 0:40:19.070 --> 0:40:21.690 in the mining industry. Typically, they'll build a power station 0:40:21.710 --> 0:40:23.390 that's often bigger than what they need. 0:40:23.570 --> 0:40:23.790 Exactly. 0:40:23.930 --> 0:40:26.029 And that energy needs and helps the rest, and often 0:40:26.050 --> 0:40:27.450 that's the case with dams as well. 0:40:27.489 --> 0:40:28.390 It helps build farming. 0:40:28.810 --> 0:40:30.549 And so that's what needs to happen here, in my view, 0:40:30.590 --> 0:40:33.890 that sensible approach that the likes of the Queensland government 0:40:33.989 --> 0:40:36.609 are taking. And to do that, to have that excess power... 0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:39.780 We desperately need to use all of our energy resources. 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.750 That's what we'll do. We're liberal and national parties. We 0:40:42.770 --> 0:40:46.469 will make sure we use all our power sources, coal, gas, renewables, and, 0:40:46.510 --> 0:40:51.030 of course, uranium, which is uniquely ready to power data centres. 0:40:51.050 --> 0:40:52.930 That's what they're doing around the world in nuclear energy. 0:40:53.390 --> 0:40:55.779 The fact we don't do it here is a really, 0:40:55.860 --> 0:40:59.000 really big handbrake on any developments in technology we are 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:00.140 potentially going to receive soon. 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:02.960 Thank you, lads. I do appreciate it. No sooks, no lefties. 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:04.840 How good's that on a Monday night? Let's put the 0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:06.859 cherry on top of all of that, which is none 0:41:06.900 --> 0:41:09.620 other than the ultimate version of that, which is Senator 0:41:09.660 --> 0:41:13.100 Jacinta Nampajimpa Price. She joins us next because we're going 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:15.000 to talk about what Pauline Hanson said in the podcast 0:41:15.020 --> 0:41:16.700 a long time ago. But the reason we've got her 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:21.120 on is her role as the shadow small business minister because, unsurprisingly, 0:41:21.620 --> 0:41:23.819 too many hitting the wall all day, every day, and 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:27.640 a million people working more than two jobs. Don't go anywhere. 0:41:32.270 --> 0:41:35.530 So Pauline Hanson did a podcast some period of time ago, 0:41:35.930 --> 0:41:38.950 but like a series of other comments on other podcasts 0:41:39.030 --> 0:41:41.330 which have all been timed to land all at once 0:41:41.350 --> 0:41:43.690 or at least to be reminded of, this is what 0:41:43.730 --> 0:41:44.810 we're talking about today. 0:41:44.830 --> 0:41:51.370 They're the most primitive race on earth and we're supposed 0:41:51.390 --> 0:41:54.190 to be holding up and saying what they've achieved. 0:41:54.250 --> 0:41:55.390 They've achieved nothing. 0:41:56.489 --> 0:42:00.300 Senator Jacinta Nampajimpa Price is a person whose passion for 0:42:00.390 --> 0:42:02.870 her people is has changed the country. It changed the 0:42:02.910 --> 0:42:06.529 country certainly when she started talking publicly about this from 0:42:06.550 --> 0:42:08.870 her time in the Council and Alice Springs all the 0:42:08.910 --> 0:42:11.169 way through to the Senate, her leadership when it came 0:42:11.270 --> 0:42:15.270 to the referendum, and she has rejected what's been said 0:42:15.469 --> 0:42:18.280 by Senator Hanson, but she joins us this evening to 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:21.620 talk a little more about it. Senator, lovely to see you. 0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:23.859 What do you think about that and all of the 0:42:24.020 --> 0:42:27.700 noise around it? Yeah, sure. Look, I mean. 0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:31.259 I wasn't aware of those comments 12 months ago when 0:42:31.300 --> 0:42:35.020 they first arose and I suppose I'm aware of them now. 0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:39.719 And there's a little bit of my issue with the 0:42:39.739 --> 0:42:42.950 situation is I've always one thing I've always done most 0:42:42.969 --> 0:42:48.089 of my life is defend white Australians when they have 0:42:48.290 --> 0:42:54.140 experienced racism from Indigenous Australians. I've always argued we should 0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:57.640 view each other as human beings because obviously I have 0:42:58.410 --> 0:43:02.299 both heritages, which I've always acknowledged, but fundamentally I'm Australian. 0:43:03.100 --> 0:43:05.700 When it comes to such comments, on one hand, you 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:10.129 can't argue that we need an education system that should 0:43:10.150 --> 0:43:14.950 be teaching appropriately our history, which I agree with, by 0:43:14.969 --> 0:43:16.790 the way, I agree. I've always argued we need to 0:43:16.810 --> 0:43:18.700 learn our history in its entirety, the good, the bad, 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:23.000 the ugly, but we shouldn't be politicising our children. And 0:43:23.180 --> 0:43:26.600 that I absolutely agree with. I've always agreed with that. 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.530 And there has been an over politicisation and romanticism of culture, 0:43:30.969 --> 0:43:33.969 which is doing us damage. But you don't throw the 0:43:33.989 --> 0:43:38.530 baby out with the bathwater and you can't argue again 0:43:38.830 --> 0:43:41.370 for those sorts of things, but then say the sorts 0:43:41.390 --> 0:43:45.550 of things that a leader like Pauline Hanson has just 0:43:45.870 --> 0:43:47.790 said to make those claims that. 0:43:47.750 --> 0:43:49.360 Are completely ignorant. 0:43:50.330 --> 0:43:53.850 And I have been a cross-cultural educator as part of 0:43:54.190 --> 0:43:57.870 my family business, including my white Australian father and my 0:43:58.350 --> 0:44:01.130 Wurundjeri mother for two decades. 0:44:01.930 --> 0:44:02.569 And that is. 0:44:02.570 --> 0:44:07.390 About creating understanding, understanding of culture and the fact that 0:44:07.430 --> 0:44:10.110 it's highly complex. In fact, we have one of the 0:44:10.140 --> 0:44:15.739 most complex kinship structures, mathematical, highly complex kinship structures in 0:44:15.900 --> 0:44:20.460 any other society on earth. And that is largely to 0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:25.240 benefit our genetics. So to ensure that incest would not occur. 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:27.299 And I can't say the same for perhaps some of 0:44:27.410 --> 0:44:33.470 the royal families of Europe, but that is just stating facts, right? 0:44:33.590 --> 0:44:36.790 And so you can't make a blanket statement like that 0:44:37.250 --> 0:44:40.780 and then argue for better education on the other side. 0:44:42.260 --> 0:44:45.759 It is all about education. and it is about recognising 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.279 us as human beings. And the form in which she 0:44:48.420 --> 0:44:54.210 used those words, the most primitive race on earth, speaks 0:44:54.270 --> 0:44:57.790 directly to race. That's what it speaks directly to. She 0:44:57.810 --> 0:45:02.190 didn't say primitive culture, she said primitive race. And again, 0:45:02.210 --> 0:45:05.770 as I've been a cross-cultural educator for all these years, 0:45:06.150 --> 0:45:10.009 I'm quite happy to bring Pauline up to speed, or 0:45:10.110 --> 0:45:13.680 anybody else for that matter, And yes, we are Australians. 0:45:13.739 --> 0:45:17.700 We're all Australians. And if we continue talking about race, 0:45:19.020 --> 0:45:21.990 then we get away from the real issues that are 0:45:22.180 --> 0:45:25.770 of importance, which is, yes, a better education for our 0:45:25.810 --> 0:45:29.330 children and the decline of our society and our country, 0:45:29.690 --> 0:45:35.350 the division, and a terrible Albanese government that is destroying 0:45:35.570 --> 0:45:41.540 the place. I'm going to correct Pauline on this particular 0:45:41.620 --> 0:45:47.180 issue because none of us, none of us as leaders 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:52.069 in this country should be exempt from criticism, unfortunately. That's 0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:53.620 certainly how the job goes. 0:45:53.910 --> 0:45:57.370 Yeah, absolutely. And there's no better person who has spoken 0:45:57.430 --> 0:46:01.230 as eloquently, as passionately and as fearlessly about all of this, right? 0:46:02.219 --> 0:46:04.660 And while, yes, there's all these excesses that have been 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.569 pointed out and that we've talked about, the idea of 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:10.569 things being reduced, yeah, you're 100%. All right. I just 0:46:10.590 --> 0:46:12.870 really want to ask about small business because a survey 0:46:12.910 --> 0:46:15.190 came out of it over the weekend. This isn't some 0:46:15.210 --> 0:46:16.830 dinky-dye thing. It was a fair dinking thing that was 0:46:16.870 --> 0:46:19.530 put together by the Chamber of Commerce and it shows 0:46:19.810 --> 0:46:22.400 just how many are absolutely right on the line. And 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:24.900 I'm not talking about the difference between whether they go 0:46:24.940 --> 0:46:27.820 to Saint-Tropez for summer or not. It's about whether it 0:46:27.860 --> 0:46:29.359 exists or not. 0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:30.340 Mm. 0:46:31.150 --> 0:46:32.130 Yeah, look, absolutely. 0:46:32.170 --> 0:46:36.810 It is really concerning because 62% of small businesses, you know, 0:46:37.210 --> 0:46:42.779 for them, the rising cost of utilities and supply is 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:47.380 what is one of their greatest concerns. And close to 49% 0:46:47.380 --> 0:46:51.989 are struggling with their profitability and cash flow. You've got 0:46:52.530 --> 0:46:57.770 close to 38% that have considered closing down And that's 0:46:57.910 --> 0:47:01.690 really concerning in the past year. And almost 25% of 0:47:01.730 --> 0:47:05.820 those businesses are considering closing in the next 12 months. 0:47:06.100 --> 0:47:09.580 So that just demonstrates the pressure that these small businesses 0:47:10.140 --> 0:47:15.049 are under. And then, you know, what's really, this is 0:47:15.070 --> 0:47:19.430 the part that the government just does not understand when 0:47:19.450 --> 0:47:22.419 it comes to these businesses. and they treat profit like 0:47:22.460 --> 0:47:24.640 it's a dirty word, when profit is what is used 0:47:24.660 --> 0:47:27.340 to put back into a business, to hire another person, 0:47:27.620 --> 0:47:29.919 to be able to bring on an apprentice. And you've 0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:41.100 got 38.5% of business owners pay themselves less than $ 40, 000 0:47:37.980 --> 0:47:42.580 a year. And this is just to stay open. This 0:47:42.660 --> 0:47:45.390 is just to keep the doors open and to continue 0:47:45.770 --> 0:47:49.469 to serve the Australian people and to contribute to the economy, 0:47:50.370 --> 0:47:53.069 and to be able to employ others and pay them 0:47:53.110 --> 0:47:56.969 a higher wage. And it's criminal what this government is 0:47:57.030 --> 0:48:00.930 doing to small businesses and utterly ignoring them. And everywhere 0:48:00.950 --> 0:48:03.370 I go, I ask small businesses, do you know who 0:48:03.390 --> 0:48:06.489 the small business minister is? And they scratch their heads. 0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:10.040 They don't know. They don't hear from Anne Alley at all. 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:13.900 They don't hear boo from her. She should be ashamed 0:48:13.940 --> 0:48:14.400 of herself. 0:48:14.910 --> 0:48:17.029 Absolutely. Jeez, I really want you to be part of 0:48:17.070 --> 0:48:19.200 a government. I just cannot wait to see you in 0:48:19.219 --> 0:48:21.239 the heart of things, because we love talking to you. 0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:23.259 And I'm sorry it was so brief tonight, but lovely 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:24.910 to talk to you. Thank you, Senator. Do appreciate it. 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:27.739 Of course, Senator, just hit the Nambajimpa price. Quick break. 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:29.640 Back with more. We've got a little time. I want 0:48:29.660 --> 0:48:31.840 to show you some of these silly social media videos 0:48:31.900 --> 0:48:33.430 that you pay for, whether we like it or not. 0:48:33.469 --> 0:48:35.230 While you were working, what were they doing? 0:48:35.630 --> 0:48:35.810 Next. 0:48:39.710 --> 0:48:41.890 Before we go, the dumbest person on social media from 0:48:41.950 --> 0:48:45.299 politics tonight is the member for Chisholm. Why? You see. 0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:48.700 You paid for it. 0:48:49.739 --> 0:48:55.410 Here's the late debate.