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Speaker 1: Approach production.

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Speaker 2: There's people just literally around you and you're just driving

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Speaker 2: a bus in and it's just everyone's just doped up

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Speaker 2: on that medication.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about serial killers.

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Speaker 2: The lot is in there and they're all off their

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Speaker 2: faces and they're like, oh, like they're happy, but it's

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Speaker 2: it's not real happy, like it's it's scary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who's the most notorious criminal you've met besides me?

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Speaker 1: Like that? You're not one basic technicality. So I met he.

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Speaker 2: I did the And this is not saying that it's

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Speaker 2: by choice. I reckon the high profile. It's just the

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Speaker 2: jobs that I got. One of the scaff brothers, which

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Speaker 2: I found very difficult to deal with, not the other one.

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Speaker 2: I took him out to Sydney dentalman and that was

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Speaker 2: it was pretty fucked abe, like walking into the public

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Speaker 2: and it's just like, fuck, here we go.

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Speaker 1: That was tough doing about two or three times.

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Speaker 4: Did they ever talk to you?

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Speaker 2: No, man, I just didn't want to have that conversation.

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Speaker 2: Didn't want to have a conversation. Laidla early like we're

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Speaker 2: just gonna get eat ship done and get home, you

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Speaker 2: know what. I mean, and if there was, if it

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Speaker 2: was going to kick off, I'd been more than happy.

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Speaker 4: Remember before he got caught, he used to come down

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Speaker 3: At the clubs because he's from banks us to a

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Speaker 3: whole lot of them.

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Speaker 4: Used to go, nil, Neil, we got these girls, you

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Speaker 4: should come back to the room. I'm going a brow,

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Speaker 4: you're fucking you proa don't want anger around with you.

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Speaker 4: But then when it all came out, then I went ship,

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Speaker 4: these are the fucking girls they were. Yeah, And he

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Speaker 4: was telling me how they used to get them, take

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Speaker 4: them back the room and do ship with them, and

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Speaker 4: I'm going, fuck, yeah, you know what I mean? Like

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Speaker 4: it was, And I let him into the clubs because

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Speaker 4: And I thought, you fucking four lebows want to bees? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: get in there, you know what I mean. But they

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Speaker 4: used to pick up the chicks and fucking take them

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Speaker 4: back the room. I'm trying to get them on. I'm

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Speaker 4: trying to get it. I'm trying to get this brother.

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Speaker 1: Yeah fuck there.

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Speaker 4: Oh sorry, yeah, you can't swear.

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Speaker 1: Sorry. Look, this is this is where it comes into.

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Speaker 1: It's a job.

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Speaker 2: And if you let that take over your fucked Australia

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Speaker 2: fucked because if every job you take a lot of that,

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Speaker 2: you're finished. Man, your head's gone and you just, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, You're never happy, You're never satisfied.

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Speaker 2: Found it difficult at the start to kind of take

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Speaker 2: to just it's a fucking job. It's a human take

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Speaker 2: them in and out, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: My job's done.

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Speaker 2: I'm not here to The system's there for a reason,

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Speaker 2: whether it's right or wrong, it's not up to me. Man,

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Speaker 2: I'm there to do my job, get them from point

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Speaker 2: realize that's all it is, the job becomes easier. Everything

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Speaker 2: else becomes one or you don't worry about the public,

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Speaker 2: You don't worry about the snickering, all the comments that

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Speaker 1: You just let it go over here job take.

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Speaker 3: A personal like, So, what do you think the attraction

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Speaker 1: I think I spoke about this on the last one

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Speaker 1: with you. I need to know because look, this is.

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Speaker 2: My personal opinion. I could be wrong. I could could

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Speaker 2: get hammered for it, but I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the attention.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that because there's there giving them attention all the time.

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Speaker 3: You look lovely today, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And I kind of it breaks them down eventually over time,

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Speaker 2: an environment with legit, a wing that has one hundred blokes.

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Speaker 1: In there, and there's maybe one or two females.

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Speaker 2: So you can imagine I guess when they walk in

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Speaker 2: just you can feel the tension and the eyes all

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Speaker 1: Just so uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: Men. Like I used to say, the girls take the paperwork.

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Speaker 2: But then imagine a female doing that every day in

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Speaker 2: the men's jail. So my job is maybe once or

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Speaker 2: For girls, it's constant, it's constant. It's constant, nagging, constant,

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Speaker 2: and they're very smart. They they're taking over twenty four

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Speaker 1: And there they see if you're down.

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Speaker 1: Out bro there they're onto it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they know what's happening, Like they know more than

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Speaker 2: probably their husbands know or like the blokes wives wouldn't know.

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Speaker 2: They know everything. They'll know what happened to you as

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Speaker 2: soon as you walk into that place, and then.

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Speaker 4: They make you feel they trying to make you feel

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Speaker 4: better to get that attention from them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's my opinion on it.

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Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but yeah, interesting, I must be

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Speaker 3: just like old boots.

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Speaker 4: I'd be like well, at least at least she said

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Speaker 4: it now, Greg, see before the show, she said, don't

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Speaker 4: call me in all fucking fat world.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying I'm dinosaur in the corner.

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Speaker 1: Oh braad, no brain, I don't worry about it.

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Speaker 4: It's so good. So have you've seen any like when

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Speaker 4: you're when you've got into the escorts in the hospital

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Speaker 4: yet before they go like anyone going skitzell, where you

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Speaker 4: got to calm them down if they've tried to fucking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, the hardest ones were the patients that are

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Speaker 2: I guess I had a lot of mental health issues

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So they got no cutlorer, they got nothing, basically,

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Speaker 2: So that's self harm.

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Speaker 1: That was the difficult, the hardest taking them.

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Speaker 4: Out famous people in Norman, like well known that that

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Speaker 4: I've taken out like like in them palid cells, anyone

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Speaker 1: No, not really. Man.

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Speaker 2: The famous ones are apparently are normal really based on

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Speaker 2: the those type of inmates they are.

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Speaker 3: There's some inmates that would select to be in that

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Speaker 4: They wouldn't they be.

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Speaker 3: Child molest is what they have to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there, I guess in I think we spoke

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Speaker 2: about last time there in what we call smap LA.

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Speaker 2: So they're segregated in their own area of the jail

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Speaker 2: not to me personally, but it's happened.

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Speaker 1: And what do you do? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: You never turned up on anyone's taking the wrong way?

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Speaker 1: No, thankfully I haven't.

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Speaker 4: So what what did it take its tall on you?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 4: Like when you left the prison, like when you first started,

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Speaker 2: At the start, it was more I was more excited job,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? The adrenaline was pumping shipped

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Speaker 2: myself for the first week. Not gonna lie to you

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Speaker 2: never been in that environment. Did the inmates see that

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Speaker 2: they know you new man, they know for they try

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Speaker 2: and take advantage in that way. Do they'll test you

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Speaker 2: When the first week you're in a rout like that

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Speaker 2: just tests you straight away. I started at Parkley up

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Speaker 2: just the I guess I told me a lot of skills.

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Speaker 2: I think I spoken to you about this before, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a you just when you're out in the real world,

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Speaker 2: until you're into jail again. Taught me a lot of

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Speaker 2: life skills, taught me a lot of things about myself

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Speaker 2: lot out and I figured out how to talk to people,

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Speaker 2: how people try to get a lot off you and

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Speaker 2: try and just manipulate you.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what.

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Speaker 2: It's just a general conversation, which is on the weekend,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, or what's going on here?

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Speaker 2: What's the footage? It's general chit chat. Again that comes

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Speaker 2: back with the Females's just general. It's just a bit

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Speaker 2: of a breakdown.

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Speaker 1: Each and every day.

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Speaker 2: They'll pickt it, pick it, pick it, pick it until

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Speaker 2: they get what they want and whether it's a fucking

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Speaker 2: pen on that day. From that pen. It will go

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Speaker 2: all right, now I've got in a pen. Now I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna get a couple more pens. So now I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: get a little bit more food. Now after that, this

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Speaker 2: breakdown of that. And you know what, mentally it takes

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Speaker 2: they're nice to they're always nice to. Oh they're criminals,

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Speaker 1: Not just the females.

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Speaker 2: The boys get a bit of attention or they see

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Speaker 2: A'm I working for?

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Speaker 1: Man? I can make ten.

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Speaker 2: Thousand dollars after this, I after bringing one phone in,

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Speaker 2: Like it's ten thousand and a half, thous like, well

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Speaker 2: we fucked you. We got Yeah, you're doing it for

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Speaker 1: Do they pick at you?

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Speaker 2: They find your habits? Did you watch the races on

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Anything? Did you put a multi on the foot.

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Speaker 2: It's just small shit like that that me and you

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Speaker 1: About it, would not even worry about it, you know

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Speaker 2: What are your reckon? Try far mainly or dragons tonight

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Speaker 1: We're worried about working, We're worried about ship. We've got

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Speaker 2: I got this in there, they're just it's just ticking

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Speaker 2: So yeah, man, that's I guess the day. I guess

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Speaker 4: So you've got to be did you could you switch

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Speaker 1: Fuck?

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Speaker 4: I found a tough a because I could never switch

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Speaker 4: And then it took me a while to switch off.

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Speaker 4: But still, if you remember, if I ever go out

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Speaker 2: Well, let's do that now. Man, Like I walk in

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Speaker 2: still I've got about it. I kind of guess. I

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Speaker 2: you go too far?

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Speaker 4: You know, there's there's been instance where you can you

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Speaker 4: know you can deal with but you think, you know,

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Speaker 4: don't like you. So I'm gonna you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'll give it a bit more.

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Speaker 2: No, no, never, man, I just I didn't have it

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Speaker 2: far is when it kicks off properly, and when you

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Speaker 2: know that there's fifty sixty in mates and there's a

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Speaker 2: if you don't defend yourself, you're fucked basically, So stuff

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Speaker 2: cuff a crim to take in research, it's that point. Man.

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Speaker 1: You've got five, five or six officers with you, you

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Speaker 2: If you can't take any mate down with five or six,

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Speaker 4: Ever try to get a crimina on your side to

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Speaker 4: be a little snitch, N did any of your goings?

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Speaker 2: Didn't need to man like you. Look, I wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: Be a snitch.

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Speaker 2: I build a lot of report at Parkly with you

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Speaker 2: in mates and the wings that I was working in,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got to escalated a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of dramas, Rold coming to me in the wing

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Speaker 2: and having a chat and saying, you know, this is

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Speaker 1: You got the option thought it out.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise we will best way to be I think personally,

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Speaker 2: you can't go into work in that place being a

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Speaker 2: RoboCop or black and white. You've got to have a

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Speaker 1: You can't say he's done something wrong, that's it. We've

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Speaker 2: It's dealing with criminals, man like, at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, it's you want to go home, you want

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Speaker 2: to kick back, you don't want to fuck around.

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Speaker 4: the link in the description.