WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 13 October 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:04.960 From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:10.120 Hello and good evening and welcome to the program. James 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:12.959 Barrow sitting in here for Paul Murray Live. And of 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:17.400 course a happy Bathhurst one thousand day to all who celebrate, 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.680 including I think the great man Paulie himself, who's going 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.360 to be celebrating because he's a friend of the show, 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.200 Erebus the Arabis. They've won. And here's the hat that 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.760 Paulie wishes he was wearing right now, beautiful hat. Anyway, 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.200 it is great to have your company this Sunday evening, 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.839 and have I got a real special treat for you 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.559 a little later in the program, none other than Senator 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.320 Jacinta Nabajiba Price is going to join me on the 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.519 eve of the anniversary of the defeat of the Voice 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.360 referendum and to help fight off the Sunday Night scaries. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:57.120 We've also got here Sunday Night favorites Linda Scott, James 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.960 Ashby and Christian Abraham as well well, to mix it 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:07.640 up and maybe just maybe answer the question I don't know, like, 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.560 just what the hell has been the point of the 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:15.600 Albanezy government these past two and a bit years. Look, 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.800 I want to take you back to that heady evening 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:23.720 back in May twenty twenty two, when Albow won his election, 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:28.760 he dispatched the hated Morrison government, rocked up to a 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.160 league's club deep in the heart of his electorate in 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:36.440 beloved red Green Inner West Sydney, and promised a better 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:41.200 way for Australia. Well, I mean, you know, on the 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.880 eve of the anniversary of this referendum, I think it's 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.679 a good time to ask, how is that working out 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.160 for you? I mean, what's gotten better? As far as 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:54.080 I can tell? You know. Inflation is up, Groceries are 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.480 more expensive, interest rates are up. It's harder to get 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.480 a house. It's harder for your kids to get a house. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.280 Society is coming apart the seams, divided by protests left 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:08.080 and right. It's just, you know, I can't say that 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.640 this has been a stellar performance. But stick with me 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.040 on this because I think I can point to the 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.120 moment when it all began to go south for the 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.560 Prime Minister and his Labor government. 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.720 I began by acknowledging the traditional liners and the land 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:30.200 on which we may. I pay my respect to their elders, 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.320 past president and emerging and on behalf of the Australian 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.480 Libor Party. I commit to the Ularus Stet member in 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:38.680 the Land Parliament. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.959 Ho how they cheered, But seriously, was that a victory 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.680 speech or a landing announcement on quantas? What followed, of course, 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:54.160 we all know more than a year of rancorous division 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.360 campaigning a proposal for an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.880 voice to Parliament that was backed by all the A 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.880 List corporations and B List celebrities, and which started out 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:10.120 being around sixty five to thirty five percent pro in 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:14.519 the polls, but by a referendum day ended up being 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:19.800 about sixty forty against. It was entire year, an entire 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:24.760 year of a new labor government, with all the political 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:31.639 capital that that implies spent not on making housing more affordable, 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.520 reforming the economy in the tradition of great labor reformers 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:40.240 like Bob Hawk and Paul Keating, but instead wasted on 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.400 a referendum idea that was so poorly thought through and 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:47.080 so confused that the Yes camp was breaking down in 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:52.440 division in the weeks and months leading up to the vote, 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.320 and whose backers right up to the Prime Minister couldn't 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.360 even give a straight answer as to how long the 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:03.520 ullerus but from the heart was It was here, of course, 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.600 that we got the true, I think, measure of Anthony 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:11.160 Albinizi and learned that his and his government's entire modus 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:17.360 operandi was going to be to fight on emotion not fact, 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:22.719 and then when called on it, say disinformation and call 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:28.920 your opponents conspiracy theorists. Remember this fiery question time response 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.520 from the PM on the question of whether the ULARU 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:38.040 statement was really just a one page, simple, gracious, generous 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:43.160 request or if there were a lot more sinister underlying 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.240 documents sitting behind the thing. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.760 Megan Dadas said this, there's been a lot of years 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.880 this week that the Ullaryus steamen is twenty six pages long. 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.800 But it's one page. That's the stement, that is what 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.760 we usued to the Australian paper. Indeed, this conspiracy has 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.000 been around a while, has been around a while. 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.120 AB Seniors fact Check. I wonder who they got this off. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:12.719 Pauline Hanson claims list of Indigenous demands found via FOI 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.839 Shames Daniels the Voice de Parliament. What's actually in the documents? 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:23.440 I tablet ABC fact check from twenty first of April 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.920 twenty twenty three, that found that it was a nonsense. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.719 I tabled the AAP fact check email misleads with secret 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:37.679 documents claim from from April twenty one, twenty twenty three. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.720 But here we have in August and they reheat, they 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:46.520 rehear a conspiracy theory based on absolute nonsense. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:52.359 Ah, of course it's a conspiracy theory. That's what we 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.640 always hear now from the left, whenever people talk about 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.480 things that don't go along with the narrative. They wanted 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.880 everybody to just go along and say, yes, of course, 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.520 we'll have the voice, and we'll just ignore the treaty 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.200 and the macarata and the truth telling you what the 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:12.360 word macarata really means, and everything else that went behind it. 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:17.719 But of course Albinizi there standing up for the dispatch box. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:22.240 He talked about fact checks. But you know, I think 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:27.360 by now we know that this sort of self reinforcing 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:32.159 circular logic of these fact check processes are nothing more 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:37.200 than an exercise in propaganda. Let's not forget here that 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.840 the ABC was forced to cut its ties with the 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:45.440 r MIT fact checking unit after fact checking director Russell 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:49.840 Skelton was caught out campaigning in favor of the Voice 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:54.280 referendum on social media. How's that for neutrality, while at 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.960 the same time his team used their positions to police 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:03.520 the debate and sense views against the proposition. And indeed, 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.240 many of us on this network, including my colleague Peter Kredlin, 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.520 found acres of evidence that the Uluru Statement was a 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:17.080 much bigger thing, with much grander plans than what was 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.960 put to the Australian people. As I reported in The 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:25.520 Daily Telegraph around that time, even the official book about 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:30.800 the Uluru Statement confirmed in print that it was fifteen pages. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:37.600 And now they're still doing a year later, the misinformation 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:43.720 conspiracy theory thing. This weekend it was reported that Megan Davis, 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:48.760 one of the chief architects, still blames misinformation for the loss, 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.440 which I suspect is one of the reasons why the 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:55.480 government is so keen to get a misinformation bill up. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.000 Let's not forget you know, television, print, they've all got 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.440 their own regulations, But so much of the No campaign 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.680 where this fight was won, took place online, where there's 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.880 a lot less of that sort of regulation, bringing online 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:15.600 stuff and social media under the auspices of a misinformation bill, well, 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.800 that makes it a lot easier for the government to 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:24.440 then police and order inquiries and tell Facebook and Meta 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.760 and all the social media platforms, with the possible exception 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.160 of x run by Elon Musk, that hey, they've got 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.080 a self reported police and do all this stuff to 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.760 crack down on anything that goes against the official narrative. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.280 I mean, you and I lived through the pandemic, right But, 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.200 as Ellie Dudley reports in The Australian, through though the 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:52.360 Yes campaign is still divided, prominent lawyers and staunch Indigenous 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:57.880 Voice advocates have condemned Meegan Davis's claim that a misinformation 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:02.040 bill could have helped secure victory, with one leading supporter 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:08.680 asserting that Yes became obsessed with critics misleading narratives while also, oh, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:15.600 get this here, spreading untruths themselves. You don't say, I mean. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.120 Among those who have been saying this now, according to 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.240 Ellie Dudley, are Greg Craven, a vocal supporter of the Voice, 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.000 and he was a member of the referendum working group. 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:28.520 He has said that Yes was also complicit in spreading 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:32.600 disinformation in the lead up to the referendum. This also 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:37.520 included questions about whether or not the executive government would 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.439 be included in the proposal. Do you remember those arcade 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:45.040 legal fights. At the same time, Arthur Moses, another prominent Silk, 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.800 said the vote failed because of a lack of detail, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:54.640 not misinformation, and said Labour's bill in its current form 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.360 would have shut down legitimate expressions of opinions and be 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:05.599 counter productive for voters. Look, it's pretty amazing and refreshing 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.960 and well done for the candidate, gentlemen, and better luck 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:14.280 next time. Well maybe not better luck, but you know 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.280 what I mean. Anyway, enough of that, let's have a 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.520 little fun here and head on over to the US 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.600 and check out how things are going in the Great 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.920 presidential election of twenty twenty four. Now, things are on 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.840 an absolute knife edge now between Donald Trump and Kamala 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:35.760 Harris according to basically every poll, but the edge now 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:40.080 seems to be tilting in Trump's favor for a whole 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.840 bunch of reasons, not the least of which being that 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:47.280 the Democrats, in their wisdom, swapped out a presidential candidate, 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:53.080 Joe Biden, who couldn't string a sentence together, for another candidate, 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:59.360 Kamala Harris, who well cannot string a sentence together. Now 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.640 tell you I think something has changed in the last 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.000 forty eight to seventy two hours, because all of a sudden, 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.680 it feels like the air has gone out of the 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:13.360 Democrat effort. The joy, as they like to call it, 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.200 is gone, and kaval Is Brat's summer, whatever that was, 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:23.080 is looking decidedly wintery. In the top battleground states, Kamala 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.680 Harris is now starting to lose altitude according to the 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:30.680 Real Clear Politics average of polls. And what should really 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.520 have alarm bells going off for the Democrats is this. 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.560 In twenty twenty, at this point in the race which 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:44.400 Joe Biden won, the Democrats were up four point seven 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:49.960 percent in the battleground states. In twenty sixteen, at this 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.320 point of the race when Hillary lost, the Democrats were 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:58.600 up three point four. Today, Donald Trump is up just 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.440 a hair at oh p four. But also note that 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.760 the polls just about always tend to skew the Democrat way, 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:11.160 which maybe why well some on the left seem to 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.280 have almost given up Take Saturday Night Live, the Great 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.040 Sketch Comedy, which used to be hilarious when I was 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.160 growing up, but as pretty much ever since, Trump came 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.200 on the scene. Been about as funny as an old 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.160 Soviet variety show. Were the only things you could joke 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.960 about was America and the tractor harvest, And if you 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:33.440 said the wrong thing about the tractors, you'd get shot. Suddenly, though, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.359 they've decided to pick upon this rich vein of material. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.760 So I've been sitting for them for years, but now 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.520 they're actually gone and done it. They've gone and made 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.280 fun of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and Tim Waltz. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.800 Let's see how the Democrats did on the Saturday Live 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:58.080 version of Family Feud. Shall we oh right loved? 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.600 Played a game oka people surveyed. Top six answers on 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:06.800 the board. Name something that you're keeping your glove compartment? Oh, bp, Harris, Steve. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.960 Look, I was raised in a middle class family. 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:12.440 All right, Oh, here we go. 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.719 Okay. My mother raised my sister and me, all right, 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.520 she worked hard and saved up. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:19.120 Huh. 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.000 And we had a second mother too. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.520 Okay, did that mother have a glove compartment? 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.880 A small business owner named miss Shelton. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.400 Okay, we got that something that you keep in your 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:30.160 block apartment? 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.559 Oh a glock, Steve, A big old glock. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:39.680 Oh snap, okay, so you stapped like that? All right, 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:41.960 show me the blip black bicky. 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:46.960 Oh. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:51.160 And finally, all of a sudden, they're also having a 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.040 crack at Joe. It's like the spell has been broken. 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:56.840 I like to buy a vow. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:13:59.480 That is. 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:05.080 That's it's the wrong game, plea, Come on, Conan, what 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:05.720 are you doing? 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:06.360 It's me. 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:07.680 I'm still the president. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:08.160 I'm Joe. 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.960 I'm maybe older. I'll beat the hell out of you. 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:12.360 I'll popya. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.160 I'll give you an uncle sandwich. You know how to 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:15.640 do it. I can make sandwiches. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.440 And guess what, here's the deal. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.200 I'm not the old one now. Trump is the only difference. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.360 I know when to walk away about six months too late? 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.520 Okay, show me whatever that was. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.200 And they also had a little fun this way. Have 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:34.760 a look at this. 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.080 He's out there, he's doing this thing, whatever that may be. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.360 Come on, just relax. You know you haven't had a 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:45.640 night off in three months. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.680 Do you want to watch something less stressful like the 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.680 Benandez brother Show. I don't know, Dougie, I kind of 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.320 wish I had picked Josh right now. Oh, Joshapiro, No, 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.160 Josh Cabernetti. 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.040 Look, it'll be fine, and it's not like he's gonna 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:02.160 say something crazy. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:13.240 I've become friends with school shooters. Imagine if they tried 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.160 to be funny for the last four years instead of 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.720 the last four minutes. Anyway, they wouldn't be doing this 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.600 unless they thought that their side was going to run 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.480 away with it, or frankly, that there was no point 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:31.480 in holding up the side. Guess what I think. You 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.760 know where my money is on this one. Now, let's 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.120 get into the conversation. On this Sunday night, I am 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.600 joined by a great Sunday panel joining me in studio, 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.880 former Labor councilor Linda Scott. So wonderful to have you 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.720 here in the man Cave, sitting in for Pole. Here 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.160 in Queensland, we've got One Nation chief of staff and 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.120 candidate for Keppel in the upcoming state, Alex and James Ashby, 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:01.280 Welcome to the program. And in Melbourne we have libertarian 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:06.840 commentator Christian Abraham. Welcome to you all. Now, the big 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.400 story in politics for the next few days is going 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.960 to have to be I think the one year anniversary 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.840 of the Voices defeat. What went right? What went wrong? 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.280 Why did they lose? Linda, let's open up with you. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.400 What are your thoughts. You've heard what I had say 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:24.640 about still the ranker on the Yes side, about where 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.800 it all went wrong for them, what do you think Look. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.400 Books will and have been written on this, haven't they. 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.080 And of course forty percent of the nation did vote yes, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.960 and we have a history of referendum losses in this country. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.400 That's the truth of it on our conservative and progressive 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.960 sides of politics. So I'm sure that the analysis will 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.880 continue and that this week, as you say, James, will 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.560 bring a looking back on this year. I think, if anything, though, 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.800 we want to look forward, and Australians at the moment 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.760 in particular, given everything that's going on in the world, 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:01.000 giving you all the unrest in the least so many 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:01.760 different reasons. 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:03.200 Australians want unity. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:07.080 They want to have government that is working hard for them, 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.720 that he is producing clear outcomes in the public interest. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.879 And I think that some of these fights and trying 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.600 to dredge up kind of all this dispute and disagreement, 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.720 to be honest, belong where they are in the past. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.560 So I just hope that the commentary this week, when 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.199 people look back on the referendum, they look back at 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.800 where it went, what happened, you know, where the campaigns 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.320 could have improved. And there's no doubt that campaigns can 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.320 always be improved, that they do so in the spirit 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:38.080 of unity and moving forward together, not in a spirit 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:38.880 of division. 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.359 Yeah, but of course a little bit of division, James 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.680 Ashby is not always a bad thing, because of course 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.840 division is where you get disagreements and ideas and sparks 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:48.480 come out of all of that. But I want to 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:52.000 ask you about what Linda's just said here, because you know, 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.200 if we want to move forward together as a nation, 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.440 I mean, was it a mistake Do you think James 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.639 Ashby is a political strategist to waste more than a 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.920 year of your opening political capital as a new government 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.040 on this vote, which you know, no matter what to 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.359 think a thought about it was really divisive. 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.520 Well it was always going to be a distraction for 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.520 a new government, but the commitment was made and so 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.879 Anthony Albanzi thought this was the most important thing for 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:22.639 Australians to deal with at the time. 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.080 It wasn't. And that's the reality of it. Look, I 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:26.879 agree with Linda. 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.080 We don't want division in the country and that's why 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.119 sixty percent of the Australian population said no to this. 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.760 There was too much division that was outlined over that 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.160 twelve months. I'm glad we had time to flesh this out. 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.520 I'm glad that we had the conversation. We heard both sides. 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.840 There was one side that wasn't very honest whatsoever, and 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.359 that's why they lost. And now we live twelve months 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:52.639 on with a problem where Megan Davies still hasn't gotten 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.840 over this. Anthony Albanesi said that look, whatever the outcome, 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:58.840 will live by it. But there are people like Meghan 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:03.240 Davies who even perpetual victimhood status and so many other. 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.359 People within the Indigenous community. 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:09.679 And white guilt is also playing a big play, a 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.040 big part in this across the country from those on 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.120 the left side of politics, and that's why we. 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:16.959 Haven't been able to move on here in Queensland. 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.560 The Liberal National Party are as much to blame for 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.080 passing treaty is what labor are and we're now stuck 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:27.520 in three years of truth telling inquiries across Queensland, something 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:31.240 that can't be unraveled. Despite the allenpur claiming they've walked 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.600 back from that position. But the Genies out of the 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.600 bottle or the rainbow serpents out of the bottle in 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:37.440 this case, and we. 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.160 Can't put it back in. 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.760 And the issue that we've got now is that division 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.960 is continuing to flourish. We had a brute highway blow 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:47.920 up here just to the south of here a couple 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.400 of months ago, and they had to do a cultural 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.879 heritage report before being able to patch it up and 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.359 reopen it. So the problem is being perpetuated by those 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.480 still within labor, still within the left, and I don't 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.240 see any improvement until where you reach a point where 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:06.200 people say enough enough, let's just move on as Australians 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:07.800 all as well. 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:09.840 Christin, I want to bring you in on the conversation 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:11.760 here now too, because one of the big things we 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.000 keep hearing about this campaign now from people like Megan Davis, 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:20.080 is this idea that misinformation was responsible for the Voice 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.840 falling over, not the fundamental problems with the proposal. Now, 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.159 my colleague here, Peter Krelin, had a great column today. 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.439 She has said that if her reporting had been done 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.760 on the Voice post a misinformation bill, I if misinformation 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.119 bill had passed before, you know, that could not have 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.600 been possible. And yet she turns out to have been 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:42.800 right about an awful lot of the stuff that she 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:47.480 wound up revealing here. What do you think, Christian about 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:52.560 this misinformation bill? Is this a reaction to the failure 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:55.080 of the Voice and a way to sort of get 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.040 their own back, or is this part of a broader 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.760 kind of thing that we're seeing in western democracies around 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.679 the world where they're trying to figure out ways to 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.480 limit speech in general. 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.080 You want to frustrate me or get my blood to boil, 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:16.760 James bring up in misinformation and stifling free speech. 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:17.480 It is. 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:24.880 Abhorrent that they are calling sixty percent of Australians stupid 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:28.600 pretty much by saying that the reason why the Voice 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.399 didn't get up was because there was misinformation around People 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:36.600 voted know in the referendum for several reasons, and having 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:40.639 healthy conversations about a referendum that could potentially change our 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:45.080 constitution was important and it's important to hear people that 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.560 you disagree with. And the fact that they've tried to 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.719 leverage off the Voice into this misinformation keeps me up 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.760 that night, because we will end up in an Orwellian 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.520 thought police kind of situation if they are able to 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.720 get this the line and yeah, help us if they 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.960 do so. Yeah, frustrating for me, James, and sixty percent 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:10.320 of the Australians voted knowing the referendum and they should 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:10.680 listen to that. 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.960 Lynda, what's your reaction to some of this misinformation debate here, 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.600 because you know, one of the things that does worry 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.320 me here is that they say misinformation. But an awful 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.560 lot of things that have been called misinformation in the 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:26.000 past have turned out to be you know, with the 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:29.360 passage of time and with more available evidence. I been hunches, 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:33.199 it turned out to be correct. Should the government have 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.040 a role in policing more of what people say? 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.439 Look, I think that Peter Kretline in her article is 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:44.320 conflating two very important points. She's arguing that the process 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:49.040 she went through freedom of information, government transparency, government integrity 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:53.919 to uncovered documents that were background briefings by departments about 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:56.280 the Voice and she put them to air on this 0:22:56.520 --> 0:23:01.520 news station. And a government misinformation Bill which is designed 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:07.480 to stop absolutely clear lies false information from being corrected 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:10.320 in the public domain. She's conflating those two what I 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:12.960 would argue to be very very different things. I don't 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.520 think you'd find many Australians who would think it's acceptable 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:20.600 to have in the public domain a statement that black 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:24.439 is white and that there not be some mechanism for 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:29.240 that information to be corrected. And we're seeing much much 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.240 more of that on social media in particular, with very 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:36.280 little responsibility from the social media giants because many of 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.400 them are not based in Australia. They take, you know, 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.520 the strong view that they shouldn't be held accountable for 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.359 the lives on their platforms and people are being exposed 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.840 to this and it's leading to very dangerous behaviors. We've 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:52.119 talked about this before, but we've seen in local governments 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:56.480 people are declaring that they're able to become a citizen 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.320 that's sovereign out of Australia, you know, they don't have 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:01.520 to pay their their rights. 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:03.080 They're doing all these behaviors. 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:07.639 They're abusing and being quite violent in some small cases 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:12.000 to local government staff with no legal basis, no constitutional basis. 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:15.720 They came for training to be trained as these kind 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.400 of groups. It's just completely wrong, right, So we need 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:24.240 bodies that can correct very clear misinformation and am. 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:26.399 Carby old fashion carbi old fashion. I think we just 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:30.119