Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: Hello and good evening and welcome to the program. James
Speaker 1: Barrow sitting in here for Paul Murray Live. And of
Speaker 1: course a happy Bathhurst one thousand day to all who celebrate,
Speaker 1: including I think the great man Paulie himself, who's going
Speaker 1: to be celebrating because he's a friend of the show,
Speaker 1: Erebus the Arabis. They've won. And here's the hat that
Speaker 1: Paulie wishes he was wearing right now, beautiful hat. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it is great to have your company this Sunday evening,
Speaker 1: and have I got a real special treat for you
Speaker 1: a little later in the program, none other than Senator
Speaker 1: Jacinta Nabajiba Price is going to join me on the
Speaker 1: eve of the anniversary of the defeat of the Voice
Speaker 1: referendum and to help fight off the Sunday Night scaries.
Speaker 1: We've also got here Sunday Night favorites Linda Scott, James
Speaker 1: Ashby and Christian Abraham as well well, to mix it
Speaker 1: up and maybe just maybe answer the question I don't know, like,
Speaker 1: just what the hell has been the point of the
Speaker 1: Albanezy government these past two and a bit years. Look,
Speaker 1: I want to take you back to that heady evening
Speaker 1: back in May twenty twenty two, when Albow won his election,
Speaker 1: he dispatched the hated Morrison government, rocked up to a
Speaker 1: league's club deep in the heart of his electorate in
Speaker 1: beloved red Green Inner West Sydney, and promised a better
Speaker 1: way for Australia. Well, I mean, you know, on the
Speaker 1: eve of the anniversary of this referendum, I think it's
Speaker 1: a good time to ask, how is that working out
Speaker 1: for you? I mean, what's gotten better? As far as
Speaker 1: I can tell? You know. Inflation is up, Groceries are
Speaker 1: more expensive, interest rates are up. It's harder to get
Speaker 1: a house. It's harder for your kids to get a house.
Speaker 1: Society is coming apart the seams, divided by protests left
Speaker 1: and right. It's just, you know, I can't say that
Speaker 1: this has been a stellar performance. But stick with me
Speaker 1: on this because I think I can point to the
Speaker 1: moment when it all began to go south for the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister and his Labor government.
Speaker 2: I began by acknowledging the traditional liners and the land
Speaker 2: on which we may. I pay my respect to their elders,
Speaker 2: past president and emerging and on behalf of the Australian
Speaker 2: Libor Party. I commit to the Ularus Stet member in
Speaker 2: the Land Parliament.
Speaker 1: Ho how they cheered, But seriously, was that a victory
Speaker 1: speech or a landing announcement on quantas? What followed, of course,
Speaker 1: we all know more than a year of rancorous division
Speaker 1: campaigning a proposal for an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander
Speaker 1: voice to Parliament that was backed by all the A
Speaker 1: List corporations and B List celebrities, and which started out
Speaker 1: being around sixty five to thirty five percent pro in
Speaker 1: the polls, but by a referendum day ended up being
Speaker 1: about sixty forty against. It was entire year, an entire
Speaker 1: year of a new labor government, with all the political
Speaker 1: capital that that implies spent not on making housing more affordable,
Speaker 1: reforming the economy in the tradition of great labor reformers
Speaker 1: like Bob Hawk and Paul Keating, but instead wasted on
Speaker 1: a referendum idea that was so poorly thought through and
Speaker 1: so confused that the Yes camp was breaking down in
Speaker 1: division in the weeks and months leading up to the vote,
Speaker 1: and whose backers right up to the Prime Minister couldn't
Speaker 1: even give a straight answer as to how long the
Speaker 1: ullerus but from the heart was It was here, of course,
Speaker 1: that we got the true, I think, measure of Anthony
Speaker 1: Albinizi and learned that his and his government's entire modus
Speaker 1: operandi was going to be to fight on emotion not fact,
Speaker 1: and then when called on it, say disinformation and call
Speaker 1: your opponents conspiracy theorists. Remember this fiery question time response
Speaker 1: from the PM on the question of whether the ULARU
Speaker 1: statement was really just a one page, simple, gracious, generous
Speaker 1: request or if there were a lot more sinister underlying
Speaker 1: documents sitting behind the thing.
Speaker 2: Megan Dadas said this, there's been a lot of years
Speaker 2: this week that the Ullaryus steamen is twenty six pages long.
Speaker 2: But it's one page. That's the stement, that is what
Speaker 2: we usued to the Australian paper. Indeed, this conspiracy has
Speaker 2: been around a while, has been around a while.
Speaker 1: AB Seniors fact Check. I wonder who they got this off.
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson claims list of Indigenous demands found via FOI
Speaker 2: Shames Daniels the Voice de Parliament. What's actually in the documents?
Speaker 2: I tablet ABC fact check from twenty first of April
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, that found that it was a nonsense.
Speaker 2: I tabled the AAP fact check email misleads with secret
Speaker 2: documents claim from from April twenty one, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: But here we have in August and they reheat, they
Speaker 2: rehear a conspiracy theory based on absolute nonsense.
Speaker 1: Ah, of course it's a conspiracy theory. That's what we
Speaker 1: always hear now from the left, whenever people talk about
Speaker 1: things that don't go along with the narrative. They wanted
Speaker 1: everybody to just go along and say, yes, of course,
Speaker 1: we'll have the voice, and we'll just ignore the treaty
Speaker 1: and the macarata and the truth telling you what the
Speaker 1: word macarata really means, and everything else that went behind it.
Speaker 1: But of course Albinizi there standing up for the dispatch box.
Speaker 1: He talked about fact checks. But you know, I think
Speaker 1: by now we know that this sort of self reinforcing
Speaker 1: circular logic of these fact check processes are nothing more
Speaker 1: than an exercise in propaganda. Let's not forget here that
Speaker 1: the ABC was forced to cut its ties with the
Speaker 1: r MIT fact checking unit after fact checking director Russell
Speaker 1: Skelton was caught out campaigning in favor of the Voice
Speaker 1: referendum on social media. How's that for neutrality, while at
Speaker 1: the same time his team used their positions to police
Speaker 1: the debate and sense views against the proposition. And indeed,
Speaker 1: many of us on this network, including my colleague Peter Kredlin,
Speaker 1: found acres of evidence that the Uluru Statement was a
Speaker 1: much bigger thing, with much grander plans than what was
Speaker 1: put to the Australian people. As I reported in The
Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph around that time, even the official book about
Speaker 1: the Uluru Statement confirmed in print that it was fifteen pages.
Speaker 1: And now they're still doing a year later, the misinformation
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory thing. This weekend it was reported that Megan Davis,
Speaker 1: one of the chief architects, still blames misinformation for the loss,
Speaker 1: which I suspect is one of the reasons why the
Speaker 1: government is so keen to get a misinformation bill up.
Speaker 1: Let's not forget you know, television, print, they've all got
Speaker 1: their own regulations, But so much of the No campaign
Speaker 1: where this fight was won, took place online, where there's
Speaker 1: a lot less of that sort of regulation, bringing online
Speaker 1: stuff and social media under the auspices of a misinformation bill, well,
Speaker 1: that makes it a lot easier for the government to
Speaker 1: then police and order inquiries and tell Facebook and Meta
Speaker 1: and all the social media platforms, with the possible exception
Speaker 1: of x run by Elon Musk, that hey, they've got
Speaker 1: a self reported police and do all this stuff to
Speaker 1: crack down on anything that goes against the official narrative.
Speaker 1: I mean, you and I lived through the pandemic, right But,
Speaker 1: as Ellie Dudley reports in The Australian, through though the
Speaker 1: Yes campaign is still divided, prominent lawyers and staunch Indigenous
Speaker 1: Voice advocates have condemned Meegan Davis's claim that a misinformation
Speaker 1: bill could have helped secure victory, with one leading supporter
Speaker 1: asserting that Yes became obsessed with critics misleading narratives while also, oh,
Speaker 1: get this here, spreading untruths themselves. You don't say, I mean.
Speaker 1: Among those who have been saying this now, according to
Speaker 1: Ellie Dudley, are Greg Craven, a vocal supporter of the Voice,
Speaker 1: and he was a member of the referendum working group.
Speaker 1: He has said that Yes was also complicit in spreading
Speaker 1: disinformation in the lead up to the referendum. This also
Speaker 1: included questions about whether or not the executive government would
Speaker 1: be included in the proposal. Do you remember those arcade
Speaker 1: legal fights. At the same time, Arthur Moses, another prominent Silk,
Speaker 1: said the vote failed because of a lack of detail,
Speaker 1: not misinformation, and said Labour's bill in its current form
Speaker 1: would have shut down legitimate expressions of opinions and be
Speaker 1: counter productive for voters. Look, it's pretty amazing and refreshing
Speaker 1: and well done for the candidate, gentlemen, and better luck
Speaker 1: next time. Well maybe not better luck, but you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Anyway, enough of that, let's have a
Speaker 1: little fun here and head on over to the US
Speaker 1: and check out how things are going in the Great
Speaker 1: presidential election of twenty twenty four. Now, things are on
Speaker 1: an absolute knife edge now between Donald Trump and Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris according to basically every poll, but the edge now
Speaker 1: seems to be tilting in Trump's favor for a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of reasons, not the least of which being that
Speaker 1: the Democrats, in their wisdom, swapped out a presidential candidate,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, who couldn't string a sentence together, for another candidate,
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, who well cannot string a sentence together. Now
Speaker 1: tell you I think something has changed in the last
Speaker 1: forty eight to seventy two hours, because all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it feels like the air has gone out of the
Speaker 1: Democrat effort. The joy, as they like to call it,
Speaker 1: is gone, and kaval Is Brat's summer, whatever that was,
Speaker 1: is looking decidedly wintery. In the top battleground states, Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris is now starting to lose altitude according to the
Speaker 1: Real Clear Politics average of polls. And what should really
Speaker 1: have alarm bells going off for the Democrats is this.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, at this point in the race which
Speaker 1: Joe Biden won, the Democrats were up four point seven
Speaker 1: percent in the battleground states. In twenty sixteen, at this
Speaker 1: point of the race when Hillary lost, the Democrats were
Speaker 1: up three point four. Today, Donald Trump is up just
Speaker 1: a hair at oh p four. But also note that
Speaker 1: the polls just about always tend to skew the Democrat way,
Speaker 1: which maybe why well some on the left seem to
Speaker 1: have almost given up Take Saturday Night Live, the Great
Speaker 1: Sketch Comedy, which used to be hilarious when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, but as pretty much ever since, Trump came
Speaker 1: on the scene. Been about as funny as an old
Speaker 1: Soviet variety show. Were the only things you could joke
Speaker 1: about was America and the tractor harvest, And if you
Speaker 1: said the wrong thing about the tractors, you'd get shot. Suddenly, though,
Speaker 1: they've decided to pick upon this rich vein of material.
Speaker 1: So I've been sitting for them for years, but now
Speaker 1: they're actually gone and done it. They've gone and made
Speaker 1: fun of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and Tim Waltz.
Speaker 1: Let's see how the Democrats did on the Saturday Live
Speaker 1: version of Family Feud. Shall we oh right loved?
Speaker 3: Played a game oka people surveyed. Top six answers on
Speaker 3: the board. Name something that you're keeping your glove compartment? Oh, bp, Harris, Steve.
Speaker 4: Look, I was raised in a middle class family.
Speaker 3: All right, Oh, here we go.
Speaker 4: Okay. My mother raised my sister and me, all right,
Speaker 4: she worked hard and saved up.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 4: And we had a second mother too.
Speaker 3: Okay, did that mother have a glove compartment?
Speaker 4: A small business owner named miss Shelton.
Speaker 3: Okay, we got that something that you keep in your
Speaker 3: block apartment?
Speaker 4: Oh a glock, Steve, A big old glock.
Speaker 3: Oh snap, okay, so you stapped like that? All right,
Speaker 3: show me the blip black bicky.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: And finally, all of a sudden, they're also having a
Speaker 1: crack at Joe. It's like the spell has been broken.
Speaker 1: I like to buy a vow.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 3: That's it's the wrong game, plea, Come on, Conan, what
Speaker 3: are you doing?
Speaker 5: It's me.
Speaker 2: I'm still the president.
Speaker 4: I'm Joe.
Speaker 2: I'm maybe older. I'll beat the hell out of you.
Speaker 6: I'll popya.
Speaker 1: I'll give you an uncle sandwich. You know how to
Speaker 1: do it. I can make sandwiches.
Speaker 2: And guess what, here's the deal.
Speaker 1: I'm not the old one now. Trump is the only difference.
Speaker 2: I know when to walk away about six months too late?
Speaker 3: Okay, show me whatever that was.
Speaker 1: And they also had a little fun this way. Have
Speaker 1: a look at this.
Speaker 4: He's out there, he's doing this thing, whatever that may be.
Speaker 7: Come on, just relax. You know you haven't had a
Speaker 7: night off in three months.
Speaker 4: Do you want to watch something less stressful like the
Speaker 4: Benandez brother Show. I don't know, Dougie, I kind of
Speaker 4: wish I had picked Josh right now. Oh, Joshapiro, No,
Speaker 4: Josh Cabernetti.
Speaker 8: Look, it'll be fine, and it's not like he's gonna
Speaker 8: say something crazy.
Speaker 1: I've become friends with school shooters. Imagine if they tried
Speaker 1: to be funny for the last four years instead of
Speaker 1: the last four minutes. Anyway, they wouldn't be doing this
Speaker 1: unless they thought that their side was going to run
Speaker 1: away with it, or frankly, that there was no point
Speaker 1: in holding up the side. Guess what I think. You
Speaker 1: know where my money is on this one. Now, let's
Speaker 1: get into the conversation. On this Sunday night, I am
Speaker 1: joined by a great Sunday panel joining me in studio,
Speaker 1: former Labor councilor Linda Scott. So wonderful to have you
Speaker 1: here in the man Cave, sitting in for Pole. Here
Speaker 1: in Queensland, we've got One Nation chief of staff and
Speaker 1: candidate for Keppel in the upcoming state, Alex and James Ashby,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. And in Melbourne we have libertarian
Speaker 1: commentator Christian Abraham. Welcome to you all. Now, the big
Speaker 1: story in politics for the next few days is going
Speaker 1: to have to be I think the one year anniversary
Speaker 1: of the Voices defeat. What went right? What went wrong?
Speaker 1: Why did they lose? Linda, let's open up with you.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts. You've heard what I had say
Speaker 1: about still the ranker on the Yes side, about where
Speaker 1: it all went wrong for them, what do you think Look.
Speaker 6: Books will and have been written on this, haven't they.
Speaker 9: And of course forty percent of the nation did vote yes,
Speaker 9: and we have a history of referendum losses in this country.
Speaker 9: That's the truth of it on our conservative and progressive
Speaker 9: sides of politics. So I'm sure that the analysis will
Speaker 9: continue and that this week, as you say, James, will
Speaker 9: bring a looking back on this year. I think, if anything, though,
Speaker 9: we want to look forward, and Australians at the moment
Speaker 9: in particular, given everything that's going on in the world,
Speaker 9: giving you all the unrest in the least so many
Speaker 9: different reasons.
Speaker 6: Australians want unity.
Speaker 9: They want to have government that is working hard for them,
Speaker 9: that he is producing clear outcomes in the public interest.
Speaker 9: And I think that some of these fights and trying
Speaker 9: to dredge up kind of all this dispute and disagreement,
Speaker 9: to be honest, belong where they are in the past.
Speaker 9: So I just hope that the commentary this week, when
Speaker 9: people look back on the referendum, they look back at
Speaker 9: where it went, what happened, you know, where the campaigns
Speaker 9: could have improved. And there's no doubt that campaigns can
Speaker 9: always be improved, that they do so in the spirit
Speaker 9: of unity and moving forward together, not in a spirit
Speaker 9: of division.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but of course a little bit of division, James
Speaker 1: Ashby is not always a bad thing, because of course
Speaker 1: division is where you get disagreements and ideas and sparks
Speaker 1: come out of all of that. But I want to
Speaker 1: ask you about what Linda's just said here, because you know,
Speaker 1: if we want to move forward together as a nation,
Speaker 1: I mean, was it a mistake Do you think James
Speaker 1: Ashby is a political strategist to waste more than a
Speaker 1: year of your opening political capital as a new government
Speaker 1: on this vote, which you know, no matter what to
Speaker 1: think a thought about it was really divisive.
Speaker 10: Well it was always going to be a distraction for
Speaker 10: a new government, but the commitment was made and so
Speaker 10: Anthony Albanzi thought this was the most important thing for
Speaker 10: Australians to deal with at the time.
Speaker 7: It wasn't. And that's the reality of it. Look, I
Speaker 7: agree with Linda.
Speaker 10: We don't want division in the country and that's why
Speaker 10: sixty percent of the Australian population said no to this.
Speaker 10: There was too much division that was outlined over that
Speaker 10: twelve months. I'm glad we had time to flesh this out.
Speaker 10: I'm glad that we had the conversation. We heard both sides.
Speaker 10: There was one side that wasn't very honest whatsoever, and
Speaker 10: that's why they lost. And now we live twelve months
Speaker 10: on with a problem where Megan Davies still hasn't gotten
Speaker 10: over this. Anthony Albanesi said that look, whatever the outcome,
Speaker 10: will live by it. But there are people like Meghan
Speaker 10: Davies who even perpetual victimhood status and so many other.
Speaker 7: People within the Indigenous community.
Speaker 10: And white guilt is also playing a big play, a
Speaker 10: big part in this across the country from those on
Speaker 10: the left side of politics, and that's why we.
Speaker 7: Haven't been able to move on here in Queensland.
Speaker 10: The Liberal National Party are as much to blame for
Speaker 10: passing treaty is what labor are and we're now stuck
Speaker 10: in three years of truth telling inquiries across Queensland, something
Speaker 10: that can't be unraveled. Despite the allenpur claiming they've walked
Speaker 10: back from that position. But the Genies out of the
Speaker 10: bottle or the rainbow serpents out of the bottle in
Speaker 10: this case, and we.
Speaker 7: Can't put it back in.
Speaker 10: And the issue that we've got now is that division
Speaker 10: is continuing to flourish. We had a brute highway blow
Speaker 10: up here just to the south of here a couple
Speaker 10: of months ago, and they had to do a cultural
Speaker 10: heritage report before being able to patch it up and
Speaker 10: reopen it. So the problem is being perpetuated by those
Speaker 10: still within labor, still within the left, and I don't
Speaker 10: see any improvement until where you reach a point where
Speaker 10: people say enough enough, let's just move on as Australians
Speaker 10: all as well.
Speaker 1: Christin, I want to bring you in on the conversation
Speaker 1: here now too, because one of the big things we
Speaker 1: keep hearing about this campaign now from people like Megan Davis,
Speaker 1: is this idea that misinformation was responsible for the Voice
Speaker 1: falling over, not the fundamental problems with the proposal. Now,
Speaker 1: my colleague here, Peter Krelin, had a great column today.
Speaker 1: She has said that if her reporting had been done
Speaker 1: on the Voice post a misinformation bill, I if misinformation
Speaker 1: bill had passed before, you know, that could not have
Speaker 1: been possible. And yet she turns out to have been
Speaker 1: right about an awful lot of the stuff that she
Speaker 1: wound up revealing here. What do you think, Christian about
Speaker 1: this misinformation bill? Is this a reaction to the failure
Speaker 1: of the Voice and a way to sort of get
Speaker 1: their own back, or is this part of a broader
Speaker 1: kind of thing that we're seeing in western democracies around
Speaker 1: the world where they're trying to figure out ways to
Speaker 1: limit speech in general.
Speaker 5: You want to frustrate me or get my blood to boil,
Speaker 5: James bring up in misinformation and stifling free speech.
Speaker 7: It is.
Speaker 5: Abhorrent that they are calling sixty percent of Australians stupid
Speaker 5: pretty much by saying that the reason why the Voice
Speaker 5: didn't get up was because there was misinformation around People
Speaker 5: voted know in the referendum for several reasons, and having
Speaker 5: healthy conversations about a referendum that could potentially change our
Speaker 5: constitution was important and it's important to hear people that
Speaker 5: you disagree with. And the fact that they've tried to
Speaker 5: leverage off the Voice into this misinformation keeps me up
Speaker 5: that night, because we will end up in an Orwellian
Speaker 5: thought police kind of situation if they are able to
Speaker 5: get this the line and yeah, help us if they
Speaker 5: do so. Yeah, frustrating for me, James, and sixty percent
Speaker 5: of the Australians voted knowing the referendum and they should
Speaker 5: listen to that.
Speaker 1: Lynda, what's your reaction to some of this misinformation debate here,
Speaker 1: because you know, one of the things that does worry
Speaker 1: me here is that they say misinformation. But an awful
Speaker 1: lot of things that have been called misinformation in the
Speaker 1: past have turned out to be you know, with the
Speaker 1: passage of time and with more available evidence. I been hunches,
Speaker 1: it turned out to be correct. Should the government have
Speaker 1: a role in policing more of what people say?
Speaker 9: Look, I think that Peter Kretline in her article is
Speaker 9: conflating two very important points. She's arguing that the process
Speaker 9: she went through freedom of information, government transparency, government integrity
Speaker 9: to uncovered documents that were background briefings by departments about
Speaker 9: the Voice and she put them to air on this
Speaker 9: news station. And a government misinformation Bill which is designed
Speaker 9: to stop absolutely clear lies false information from being corrected
Speaker 9: in the public domain. She's conflating those two what I
Speaker 9: would argue to be very very different things. I don't
Speaker 9: think you'd find many Australians who would think it's acceptable
Speaker 9: to have in the public domain a statement that black
Speaker 9: is white and that there not be some mechanism for
Speaker 9: that information to be corrected. And we're seeing much much
Speaker 9: more of that on social media in particular, with very
Speaker 9: little responsibility from the social media giants because many of
Speaker 9: them are not based in Australia. They take, you know,
Speaker 9: the strong view that they shouldn't be held accountable for
Speaker 9: the lives on their platforms and people are being exposed
Speaker 9: to this and it's leading to very dangerous behaviors. We've
Speaker 9: talked about this before, but we've seen in local governments
Speaker 9: people are declaring that they're able to become a citizen
Speaker 9: that's sovereign out of Australia, you know, they don't have
Speaker 9: to pay their their rights.
Speaker 6: They're doing all these behaviors.
Speaker 9: They're abusing and being quite violent in some small cases
Speaker 9: to local government staff with no legal basis, no constitutional basis.
Speaker 9: They came for training to be trained as these kind
Speaker 9: of groups. It's just completely wrong, right, So we need
Speaker 9: bodies that can correct very clear misinformation and am.
Speaker 1: Carby old fashion carbi old fashion. I think we just
Speaker 1: need more debate on programs like this to decide, you know,
Speaker 1: what's true and false. I feel like these are issues
Speaker 1: which we have for centuries, probably ever since the printing
Speaker 1: press and new technology said oh we've got a new technology,
Speaker 1: we've got a regulator. But hey, let's move on here
Speaker 1: because we'll talk about the current situation here with labor
Speaker 1: and NewsCorp has today revealed the central planks Labor is
Speaker 1: going to take to the next election. They are educationaly
Speaker 1: for Medicare, investment, regional jobs, and putting supermarkets on notice.
Speaker 1: I spent eighty one dollars for a sack, one single
Speaker 1: sack of grosses it calls today, so I do kind
Speaker 1: of support that. But Linda, this seems very small target
Speaker 1: to me. Have they lost the kind of the fire
Speaker 1: of an early ambitious kind of government. Are they worried
Speaker 1: about being pinged on things like the two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five dollars power bill promise? Is this all a
Speaker 1: bit small target here and frankly unambitious given everything that's
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 9: Well, look, let's not forget that in this country. You know,
Speaker 9: the last prime minister who was re elected for a
Speaker 9: second term was John Howard, and for increasingly large numbers
Speaker 9: of Australians that's actually outside their living memory or certainly
Speaker 9: their voting memory.
Speaker 6: So this is an important election.
Speaker 9: It's going to be if Prime Minister Anthony Abernezi wins
Speaker 9: are historic, and it's also going to be difficult. Let's
Speaker 9: be really clear about the challenge that he faces to
Speaker 9: be re elected for a second term. But again, I
Speaker 9: think the central theme that whenever I talk to anybody
Speaker 9: at the moment people want to hear about is unity.
Speaker 9: I don't want political opposition for political opposition's sake. And
Speaker 9: when the Prime Minister talks about the no ellis you
Speaker 9: know the coalition of the Liberal National Party and the
Speaker 9: Greens just opposing every single idea, opposing reforms in the
Speaker 9: Parliament on housing affordability, opposing reforms to try and bring
Speaker 9: down Power Bill's, opposing reforms on all kinds of different
Speaker 9: things that Australians identifying as important. It is going to
Speaker 9: make it a hard task for them as well. And
Speaker 9: let's be clear, Peter Dutton, does he have a plan
Speaker 9: for majority government? Does he have a plan to win
Speaker 9: those Teal seats? Does he have a plan that allows
Speaker 9: it to take the majority of seats well, Labor does,
Speaker 9: of course have a plan for majority government. Get that, well,
Speaker 9: we'll see that's a question. But Peter Dutton doesn't have
Speaker 9: a plan for those teal seats. Even James Ashby, I
Speaker 9: think would agree with that. He doesn't have a plan
Speaker 9: for those metropolitan seats that he needs to win alongside
Speaker 9: those other regional seats to form majority government. And you
Speaker 9: know he needs to articuate late his policy vision, that
Speaker 9: policy plan to win back.
Speaker 1: Because James Ashby, to me, this sort of feels and
Speaker 1: I've said it before on this program and elsewhere, that
Speaker 1: this feels very much like we are seeing a government
Speaker 1: not coming out of a big successful first term, but
Speaker 1: like it's in its third term and it's kind of
Speaker 1: got that energy where it's just trying to keep things
Speaker 1: rolling for a fourth What do you what do you
Speaker 1: reckon about?
Speaker 8: This?
Speaker 1: Is Linda right here that this is a big unifying platform.
Speaker 1: Here is this what people want?
Speaker 10: No, Anthony Albanezi will make, you know, set records for
Speaker 10: the Labor Party, but it won't be by winning a
Speaker 10: second term in government, that's for certain. Look, I taped
Speaker 10: my hat off to Peda Dartina. I've got a great
Speaker 10: deal of respect for the man. I do wish and
Speaker 10: hope that he is our next Prime minister of this
Speaker 10: country because I believe that this is a government that
Speaker 10: we currently have that have come into Parliament, come into
Speaker 10: power with zero plan. Their plan was to divide the
Speaker 10: country with the Voice to Parliament. It didn't work. They
Speaker 10: were relying so heavily on that, and when it fell over,
Speaker 10: you had a prime minister that has spent more time
Speaker 10: out of the country than in it. It certainly feels
Speaker 10: that way, and when he's been away they've lost momentum
Speaker 10: because there is no talent on the front bench to
Speaker 10: sort of pick up where Anthony Albanezi has left off from.
Speaker 10: Also to what a lot of people don't realize is
Speaker 10: that despite saying that there was going to be a
Speaker 10: whole heap of transparency in this new term of government,
Speaker 10: we've had none. We've had debates stifled or shut down
Speaker 10: in the Senate, largely because the Greens just back everything
Speaker 10: that Labor suggests when it comes to shutting that debate down.
Speaker 10: We have also had any interaction with business leaders or
Speaker 10: community leaders stifled as well, because every time they meet
Speaker 10: with a minister in Canberra, they're forced to sign non
Speaker 10: disclosure statements or areas which stops them from being able
Speaker 10: to go out and then agitate in the media for
Speaker 10: the changes, or they've been given a sneak peak of
Speaker 10: what legislation's coming up, and what's happened is they've been
Speaker 10: stifled from being able to speak about it because of
Speaker 10: these non disclosure agreements. So we've had businesses going backwards
Speaker 10: at a rapid rate of knots because this government will
Speaker 10: not listen. It doesn't matter what it is, whether it
Speaker 10: be the Builders Association to the small retailers. No one
Speaker 10: has been listened to by this government. They think they
Speaker 10: know it all and as a result, that's where they're failing.
Speaker 10: They failing the people in the meantime as well by
Speaker 10: their lack of interest and they want to go after
Speaker 10: the supermarkets. But James, the reality is there's so much
Speaker 10: internally within this government that they could do to cut
Speaker 10: red tape and reduce the burden non businesses and families
Speaker 10: cutting taxes.
Speaker 7: But instead, no, they.
Speaker 10: Haven't done any of that, and they've wanted to blame
Speaker 10: everybody else bar themselves.
Speaker 7: In the last two years of government.
Speaker 1: Christian, you're a former Libertarian candidate as a libertarian and
Speaker 1: you hear James ashby toky, but cutting red tape will
Speaker 1: be like the top red tape item that you would
Speaker 1: cut if you could be, you know, telling Albanezy what
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 5: Or it would be income tax. We would cut that
Speaker 5: to twenty percent flat.
Speaker 8: People get a bonus.
Speaker 5: From work, absolutely, people get a bonus from work, and
Speaker 5: they get taxed to the marginal rate of forty five percent.
Speaker 5: And so they see, you know, just over half of
Speaker 5: what their company has given them. The government is the
Speaker 5: biggest bill that we pay at the moment. And you know,
Speaker 5: labor continues to say that they have a plan for
Speaker 5: our future and all of those kind of things. I
Speaker 5: want to talk about misinformation. That is misinformation because there
Speaker 5: are so many levers that they could pull. They could
Speaker 5: cut fuel ex size tax, they could cut income tax.
Speaker 5: There's so many but they just choose not to because
Speaker 5: they care more about staying in power. Yeah, cutting out, Yeah,
Speaker 5: they care more about staying in power than what is
Speaker 5: best for the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't have high hopes if they get a second term.
Speaker 4: To be honest, James, well.
Speaker 1: Let's hold it right there. Let's hold that thought, because
Speaker 1: we have got so much more in discussion. Go pick
Speaker 1: up again on this and so much more with my panel,
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about Elmer Fund, I mean
Speaker 1: Tim Waltz's being Hunting photo shoot which didn't quite go
Speaker 1: according to plant. All that and more after the break
Speaker 1: stick with us. Hey, welcome back to Paul Murray Live
Speaker 1: with Me. James Borrow still joined by Linda Scott, James
Speaker 1: Ashby and Christian Abraham. I want to talk about a
Speaker 1: serious story here today. There's a bakery in Surrey Hills,
Speaker 1: Sydney called Abner's Bakery. They seem to have allegedly been
Speaker 1: targeted by an anti Semitic attack, including red triangles which
Speaker 1: are a symbol of the military wing of Hamas painted
Speaker 1: on the glass and a note saying be careful. It's
Speaker 1: horrifying stuff. And something I'll talk to you Linda about
Speaker 1: is one thing that does seem to be missing from
Speaker 1: the labor agenda is doing something really strong about anti Semitism, because, frankly,
Speaker 1: I have been absolutely shocked, I know you have, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there have been by the
Speaker 1: horrendous number of anti Semitic incidents. This is real nineteen
Speaker 1: thirties Germany stuff here. I don't want to make this
Speaker 1: a labor liberal thing, but I do want to make
Speaker 1: this about like a decency thing. And I really do
Speaker 1: worry sometimes that the Prime Minister does try to both
Speaker 1: sides this issue and say, oh, well, you know, everybody's
Speaker 1: kind of hurting on both sides. But it feels like
Speaker 1: there's a real crisis with this anti Semitism stuff. You
Speaker 1: see it around Sydney. I do too, What are your thoughts?
Speaker 9: Look, I think it is terrible to see these reports
Speaker 9: of this attack over the weekend in a sorry Hills bakery,
Speaker 9: you know, a mile patch in the City of Sydney.
Speaker 9: Awful to's left under the door, Awful to see terrible.
Speaker 6: Hate speech graffiti.
Speaker 9: And this is not unfortunately, as you rightly acknowledge him,
Speaker 9: it's not an isolated incident. Earlier in the year I
Speaker 9: moved a motion for the City of Sydney to take
Speaker 9: a really hard view on this and remove any hate
Speaker 9: speech graffiti within the hour, and I thought that was
Speaker 9: a reasonable proposition.
Speaker 1: I hate if they could frankly remove other graffiti absolutely
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 9: Absolutely Unfortunately the Lord Mayor has outsourced all that and
Speaker 9: it takes forever. It's for expensive, but I think if
Speaker 9: you've got a hate speech message up on a wall
Speaker 9: or up on a sign. I had people on my
Speaker 9: core flutes the election before last putting Nazi propaganda even
Speaker 9: on my core flutes, right, So it is unfortunate that
Speaker 9: this hate speech seems to be increasing every electoral cycle,
Speaker 9: but particularly it's very noticeable right now. And the Lord
Speaker 9: Mayor Clover Moore at the time voted that down. She
Speaker 9: said that that was too fast, that we should be
Speaker 9: to leave that graffiti up for longer than one hour.
Speaker 9: I mean, I just think that's completely unacceptable. It sends
Speaker 9: a cultural message that we tolerate this kind of hate speech.
Speaker 9: It is unsafe. It makes people feel unsafe. This is
Speaker 9: completely the wrong thing to do.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 9: It's it's hard for local governments. We saw obviously, you know,
Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 1: The local government, they've got to take their cues from
Speaker 1: what's going on up the chain, right. I mean, like
Speaker 1: James Ashby, I want to just bring you in on
Speaker 1: this here, this stuff here, this antisemitism. I know that
Speaker 1: I have been shocked since October seventh by the amount
Speaker 1: of vicious antisemitism that seems to have just been lurking
Speaker 1: right under the surface. And it feels to me like
Speaker 1: Ethniobanes has been really slow off the mark. I remember
Speaker 1: days after the attacks and the news came out. You know,
Speaker 1: Rishi Sunac was out in London reassuring the Jewish comedy.
Speaker 1: Other leaders were doing the same thing, and Ethnie Albanez
Speaker 1: almost had to be dragged to a shool in Melbourne
Speaker 1: to say, you know, a few words to reassure everybody.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is this reactiveness and then into the vacuum,
Speaker 1: you know, all of this heat can kind of exist.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, James Ashby.
Speaker 10: Well, James, it has been very disappointing to see the
Speaker 10: Prime Minister so laxed on coming out and being strong
Speaker 10: on this particular subject. I'd love to see more strength
Speaker 10: from him. I would certainly love to see more strength
Speaker 10: from Penny Wall on this subject as well and other
Speaker 10: front benches, but there has been this really relaxed mood
Speaker 10: from this government to say anything. And the other thing
Speaker 10: we've got to realize it's not just businesses that have
Speaker 10: been painted with this upside down red triangle. A very
Speaker 10: owned Federal Parliament was under attack with big banners. This giant,
Speaker 10: big upside down triangle was painted across the very front
Speaker 10: of our Parliament House in Canberra, and you know, the
Speaker 10: only people not to condemn that action with a Green Again,
Speaker 10: why is it that the Greens have been led off
Speaker 10: so lightly here? Why is it that the Greens think
Speaker 10: that this is tolerable behavior, not just federally but on
Speaker 10: a state basis as well.
Speaker 7: Someone needs to call this behavior out.
Speaker 10: If it's not good enough to put swastikas up, it's
Speaker 10: not good enough to put hamas symbols up either.
Speaker 1: Bingo absolutely Christian? What's want to bring you in here?
Speaker 1: Real quick? What do you think though, because of course
Speaker 1: there's a libertarian You be all for free speech. How
Speaker 1: does the government maintain free speech? But then also you
Speaker 1: crack down on all this hate speech?
Speaker 5: You're right, the libertarians have a strong principle of free speech,
Speaker 5: but they also have a do no harm principle. And
Speaker 5: one of the biggest pillars of libertarianism is that every
Speaker 5: individual is equal. So aside from race or religion, we
Speaker 5: are all equal and should be treated in society as such.
Speaker 5: So I think what has happened with this bakery is
Speaker 5: abhorrent and it makes me wonder what Australia has come
Speaker 5: to and times we need different kinds of politicians and
Speaker 5: right now we need a leader to unite the country
Speaker 5: and come out really strongly about these topics.
Speaker 4: But they're not.
Speaker 5: And I have to disagree slightly with James. He said
Speaker 5: they're taking a relaxed approach. I don't think they're taking
Speaker 5: a relaxed approach. I think they're taking a fence sitter approach.
Speaker 5: And that is a very conscious dicise.
Speaker 1: Well, because they care more about relax Yeah, well it's
Speaker 1: a relaxed fence sitter approach. Baby, we could say that.
Speaker 1: But hey, let's move on here though. I want to
Speaker 1: be on from this here because we do have some
Speaker 1: more American politics cover here. And vice presidential Democratic vice
Speaker 1: presidential nominee Tim Waltz had himself a little interesting weekend.
Speaker 1: Went out on a bit of a pheasant shoot. He
Speaker 1: wanted to do a big photo shoot of him hunting
Speaker 1: to show he's just an average guy, the voice of
Speaker 1: the Midwest, out there with his shotgun and his hunting gear,
Speaker 1: which was clearly just bought off the shop at Kmark.
Speaker 1: Let's have a little look.
Speaker 2: And it never fits quite.
Speaker 11: Right, never fits right, is not quite right?
Speaker 7: How do you give them that.
Speaker 4: Govern what kind of done is.
Speaker 11: This was a Burretta a four hundred. I bought it
Speaker 11: when I was shooting a lot of trap because it
Speaker 11: has a kind of their patentent thing a kickoff, so
Speaker 11: when you get old, it doesn't hurt your shoulder as much.
Speaker 1: Now, I remember this is a guy who bragged about
Speaker 1: his military experience in the US National Guards. CBS news
Speaker 1: reports and the three hours sessment with the media, Tim
Speaker 1: Waltz did not fire a shot, James Ashey, let's start
Speaker 1: with you on this one here. I mean the whole
Speaker 1: sort of Tim Waltz thing and the way that the
Speaker 1: Democrats are bleeding away support from mail voters and including
Speaker 1: a lot of big unions and working class unions too.
Speaker 1: But like, this sort of thing just feels very humiliating.
Speaker 1: Why do some politicians feel the need to do these
Speaker 1: kind of stunts. Isn't a sign that this election is
Speaker 1: running away from them? James Ashby.
Speaker 10: They say never work with kids or animals in politics,
Speaker 10: and certainly in front of cameras. But in this case,
Speaker 10: don't buy yourself a new Bretta off the shelf and
Speaker 10: think it's going to work smoothly, because that's precisely what's
Speaker 10: happened here.
Speaker 7: He's brought a.
Speaker 10: New gun, as you say, he's brought the new gear
Speaker 10: off the shelf to try and look the part, but
Speaker 10: it hasn't gotten a plan. And these are the mishaps
Speaker 10: that you try and avoid in politics because they can
Speaker 10: come back and bite you on the backside. Any experience
Speaker 10: shooter would know very well that a brand new guns
Speaker 10: quite tight and they do take a bit of time
Speaker 10: to loosen up. But yeah, he's been caught out. But
Speaker 10: they happen to do it here in Australia too. I
Speaker 10: do know though that the opposition here in the Queensland
Speaker 10: state election isn't doing anything that isn't.
Speaker 7: Very well, very well scripted or.
Speaker 10: The medium monitors are making sure none of those mishaps
Speaker 10: happen here in this Queensland election.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, Linda, you're an experienced political operator.
Speaker 1: When do you see something like this, this sort of
Speaker 1: you know, just play of kind of full manliness with
Speaker 1: the shotgun and everything like that. Does it speak too
Speaker 1: bad advance work by the Waltz campaign because it seems
Speaker 1: like every one of these things kind of they step
Speaker 1: on a reek with it.
Speaker 9: Look, I mean, I think most Australians would find images
Speaker 9: like that of a candidate in a political elaterisi, you know,
Speaker 9: running away with the gun pretty odd, to be honest.
Speaker 9: So yeah, it's rather unusual generally for Australians.
Speaker 8: I've got to say that out loud.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look, of course, you know, images in
Speaker 9: political campaigns are so tightly controlled.
Speaker 6: I mean, James will shout me down.
Speaker 9: But Stephen Marles has been out announcing free school lunches
Speaker 9: this week for all Queensland children if he wins re
Speaker 9: election as the Queensland Premier. Images are so remarkable, you know,
Speaker 9: the premier children giving them free lunches. What a great
Speaker 9: policy to bring down cost of living. So these kinds
Speaker 9: of things are very scripted, they're very rehearsed, very controlled,
Speaker 9: and that's important in the context of an election.
Speaker 1: Look, I just can't remember the day. It's been quite
Speaker 1: a number of days since the Harris Wolfs campaign have
Speaker 1: had what we would call a good day. But look,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to break in a moment. But before
Speaker 1: we go, I really wanted to talk about this story.
Speaker 1: Great story in the City morning, Harold. I know, right,
Speaker 1: But there is a theme park apparently where kids can
Speaker 1: be construction workers. There's a place called Thunderbird Park and
Speaker 1: I love this. This sounds like so much fun. They
Speaker 1: have real earth moving machinery for kids to get in,
Speaker 1: dig holes, stack car tires, use wrecking balls, all of
Speaker 1: course safely.
Speaker 6: Lindas, I just want to say that I love this right.
Speaker 9: I mean, I've been involved in lots and lots of
Speaker 9: park designs in local government and you see those little, tiny,
Speaker 9: beautiful diggers with a bit of tan buck. But these
Speaker 9: are like full on massive diggers where children as old
Speaker 9: as kind of two and three you can go in
Speaker 9: there and smash things up and dig up pig calls
Speaker 9: in the ground.
Speaker 6: I love it best playground. It sounds so much fun.
Speaker 6: I'm all for this kind of tourism.
Speaker 9: I just think it's awesome and look to be generous that,
Speaker 9: you know, as we come to the break. Just like
Speaker 9: James said, we should be out there when cost of
Speaker 9: living is rough, support your small businesses, you know, support
Speaker 9: your local tourism operators. Get out to these kinds of
Speaker 9: things wherever is close to your home. They are a
Speaker 9: great opportunity. But this one just looks so much fun.
Speaker 9: In the Blue Mountains of Sydney, it.
Speaker 1: Looks like so much fun. I want to go out
Speaker 1: there and play on some of that stuff. Anyway, Listen,
Speaker 1: you're right to support independent, support local, and thank you
Speaker 1: Linda Scott as always, James Ashby as always, and Christian
Speaker 1: Abraham as always. Now, do not go anywhere because just
Speaker 1: sit the Price after the break on this historic one
Speaker 1: year anniversary tomorrow of the referendum. You're not gonna want
Speaker 1: to miss what she has to say. Stick with us.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Paulmurray Live program. James Morrow sitting
Speaker 1: in here for Paul Murray. We've got some breaking news
Speaker 1: just now for you. Just dropped new news poll numbers
Speaker 1: for the first time in the alban Ezy term of government.
Speaker 1: The coalition is now ahead on a two party preferred
Speaker 1: basis fifty one forty nine. So big newspoll news out
Speaker 1: just now, just breaking news. Now I want to talk
Speaker 1: to and bring in my next guest, Jacinta Nampa Jipper Price.
Speaker 1: You know her very very well, because tomorrow marks one
Speaker 1: year since Australian's overwhelmingly just about sixty forty voted no
Speaker 1: at the National referendum on the Indigenous Voice to Parliament,
Speaker 1: and since then, though there seems to have been little
Speaker 1: progress made on Indigenous issues, with labor still struggling with
Speaker 1: a whole raft of political challenges over the last for
Speaker 1: twelve months. Just sent to Nampa, Jepper Price joins me. Now,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on this historic evening, Senator,
Speaker 1: looking back one year after this result, just take us
Speaker 1: back to how you felt a year ago when those
Speaker 1: numbers started to fall and they started to fall your way.
Speaker 8: Look, James, it was incredible. You know, we always felt
Speaker 8: that we wanted to get a majority of states over
Speaker 8: the line, but when the results came in so quickly,
Speaker 8: you know, so definitely Australians knew exactly what they wanted
Speaker 8: for our country and that was foreign Australia that wasn't
Speaker 8: divided along the lines of race. So you know, it
Speaker 8: was incredibly proud of being able to work alongside you know,
Speaker 8: Warren Mundine and of course you know my leaders Peter Dutton,
Speaker 8: Dave Little Crowd and the way that we were able
Speaker 8: to galvanize the Australian people and reignite the Australian spirit
Speaker 8: and understanding that Australians want a better way.
Speaker 6: Forward for us all.
Speaker 8: Particularly so with that result.
Speaker 1: And what do you make of Because of the last
Speaker 1: twenty four to forty eight hours, there's been a whole
Speaker 1: big to do now about why the Voice failed. And
Speaker 1: I mean we spoke many, many times about the weaknesses
Speaker 1: in the case, about how it was unclear, how what
Speaker 1: it was calling for wasn't clear. We've got the fight
Speaker 1: now between Megan Davis saying that it was misinformation, people
Speaker 1: didn't have the truth, and other people like Greg Barnes
Speaker 1: and Arthur mood saying no, no, no, they had the right information.
Speaker 1: We were giving out misinformation. What's your view of how
Speaker 1: the Yes camp still hasn't come to terms with this victory.
Speaker 1: It seems.
Speaker 8: Well, look, they need to accept the result and move forward.
Speaker 8: You know a lot of the grievance industry all they
Speaker 8: want to do is look back. The rest of Australia
Speaker 8: wants to look forward. Those marginalizeding iness. Australians want results
Speaker 8: and want action and want that now. So enough with
Speaker 8: the talk, enough with the carry on, Let's start doing
Speaker 8: things in a practical way to ensure that little kids,
Speaker 8: those who are experiencing the highest rates of sexual abuse
Speaker 8: in this country, are no longer experiencing that that they
Speaker 8: aren't living in a household where there's dysfunction and violence.
Speaker 8: That's who I care about, and that's who we as
Speaker 8: a coalition will be looking to improve their lives should
Speaker 8: we win government at the next federal election. No more
Speaker 8: looking in the past. It's time to move on, it's
Speaker 8: time to move forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, that's absolutely correct, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of Australians share your view on that. But
Speaker 1: I mean, does it feel like this government wasted a
Speaker 1: year plus of average and Australians and digital Australians' lives
Speaker 1: here fighting over this reference and when they could have
Speaker 1: been taking concrete action and as you point out, you
Speaker 1: know they refuse still to do an audit of land
Speaker 1: can councils and figure out ways to more efficiently and
Speaker 1: better and more properly invest in these communities.
Speaker 8: That's exactly right. They're only ever interested in symbolism. But they
Speaker 8: put all their eggs in one basket when it came
Speaker 8: to the referendum, when it came to the voice. They
Speaker 8: don't know how to take action in practical ways going forward.
Speaker 8: And we've seen that with their failures governments governed over
Speaker 8: the Northern Australia, Aboriginal Justice Association, which has had six
Speaker 8: CEOs in the last eighteen months, left vulnerable Indigenous people
Speaker 8: dealing with court cases on their own in the Northern Territory.
Speaker 8: They've continued to ensure that schools like the Uparinous School
Speaker 8: miss out on their much needed funds to build a
Speaker 8: boarding school where our most marginalized kids in our community.
Speaker 8: They've ignored the voices of traditional owners calling for an
Speaker 8: inquiry because of their concerns with the governance of these
Speaker 8: organizations that are supposed to improve their lives. What have
Speaker 8: they done? They appointed a First nation's ambassador, and what
Speaker 8: does he do with the incredible amount of taxpayer funds
Speaker 8: flying around the world. He hasn't moved the dial once
Speaker 8: or marginalized kids in our communities.
Speaker 1: Correct, But you know, it's a shocking situation, but also
Speaker 1: a shocking newspapl that's just dropped very quickly, just in
Speaker 1: a few seconds of time, just at an amative a price.
Speaker 1: Your reaction to the fifty one forty nine newspapt showing
Speaker 1: things going your way.
Speaker 8: Oh look, Peter Dutton and David Little Proud and the
Speaker 8: coalition team, we're coming, We're coming.
Speaker 3: We want to fix.
Speaker 8: Australia for Australians, and Australians know this, and we're not
Speaker 8: going to stop fighting until we know that we're in
Speaker 8: a position where we can make.
Speaker 1: It better, just at an ambitive a price, we're going
Speaker 1: to have to leave it there. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for making up making the time to join us tonight.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned here for the Royal Report up next.