WEBVTT - Sharri | 29 May

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<v Speaker 1>Good evening tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister and his ministers claim they want her

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<v Speaker 2>Must to be destroyed. They claim that Hermas should have

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<v Speaker 2>no role in the future governing of Gaza. Yet how

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<v Speaker 2>can we actually believe them when they continue to demand

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<v Speaker 2>that Israel stop its fight against the terror group. The

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<v Speaker 2>terror group that is vowed to attack Israel over and

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<v Speaker 2>over and over again until it is completely annihilated. The

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<v Speaker 2>terror group that's vowed to continue to attack Israel. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's a warning we should believe them on given they

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<v Speaker 2>slaughtered one two hundred Jews in cold blood on October seven,

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<v Speaker 2>shooting them, raping them and mutilating their bodies and doing

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<v Speaker 2>it all with glee, wringing their families back home to

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate and boast. Yet instead of support Israel's war against

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<v Speaker 2>this barbaric terror group, and instead of being realistic about

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<v Speaker 2>it and knowing that war does mean some civilian casualties.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the reality of every war Australia has been involved in. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the Albanezi government demands that Israel give up its fight

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<v Speaker 2>against Hermas, just pack up and go home. Our embarrassment

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<v Speaker 2>of a foreign minister, Penny Wong used her opening remarks

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<v Speaker 2>and Senate estimates to call on Israel to stop its

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<v Speaker 2>military campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>She demanded an immediate cease fire.

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<v Speaker 4>Have a look for death and destruction in Rapha is horrific.

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<v Speaker 4>This human suffering is unacceptable. This cannot continue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a call the Foreign Minister has made before, demanding

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<v Speaker 2>Israel call off its war against Humus and instead have

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<v Speaker 2>what she describes as a humanitarian ceasefire Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>She is the grave concerns that I've articulated previously about

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<v Speaker 4>the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza. Humanitarians, human suffering is

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<v Speaker 4>widespread and it is unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 2>No question, civilian casualties are tragic, and every civilian death matters.

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<v Speaker 2>But Penny Wong doesn't acknowledge that it's Harmas, not Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>responsible for the civilian deaths. Israeli soldiers begged civilians to evacuate.

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<v Speaker 1>From Gaza from Rafa, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Distributed leaflets in Arabic warning them to leave. Israeli politician

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<v Speaker 2>Sharon Haskell told us just last night that they have

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that Hamas actually shot some civilians who.

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<v Speaker 1>Tried to leave.

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<v Speaker 5>Hamas in many cases is actually threatening them and blocking

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<v Speaker 5>as well. I mean, we've seen them in many occasions,

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<v Speaker 5>shooting with snipers, people who are trying to flee from

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<v Speaker 5>the war area, and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Esteemed Richard Kemp told us last week just how the

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<v Speaker 2>civilian death toll in Gaza actually compares with other wars.

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<v Speaker 6>If you compare the zero point eight to one ratio

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<v Speaker 6>that Israel has achieved, if you look at Afghanistan in Iraq.

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<v Speaker 6>In Afghanistan the ratio was five to one, five civilians

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<v Speaker 6>for every terrorist killed. In Iraq, three civilians for every

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<v Speaker 6>terrorist killed. That's by US forces, a similar level probably

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<v Speaker 6>from British forces as well, but hugely worse. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>those countries did their best to minimize civilian coachs as well.

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<v Speaker 6>The Israelis have achieved a great deal better than that.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, Israel claims today that it was

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas weapons that caused dozens of Palestinian deaths most likely,

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<v Speaker 2>they say, and not Israel's own strikes. The Times of

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<v Speaker 2>Israel reports and I quote is Rael Defense forces said

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday that a hidden store of weapons may have been

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<v Speaker 2>the actual cause of a deadly blaze in southern gazas Rafa,

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<v Speaker 2>and that an air strike that targeted an adjacent area

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<v Speaker 2>had used small munitions that would not ignite such a

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<v Speaker 2>fire on their own. The Times of Israel reports that

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<v Speaker 2>the military suspects that the munitions or some other combustible

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<v Speaker 2>substance it was unaware of, caused a secondary explosion and

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<v Speaker 2>a fire to spread in a complex housing displaced Gazans

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<v Speaker 2>in Rafa. They say it killed dozens of Palestinian civilians.

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<v Speaker 2>Following an air strike targeting two top Hermus terrorists in

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<v Speaker 2>the area. So Israel also said that before their strike

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<v Speaker 2>on a Harmusk compound, they carried out steps to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that there were no women or children in the

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<v Speaker 2>Harmas compound. The Pennywog ignores all of this, ignores the

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<v Speaker 2>reality of war, the horrible reality of war, and ignores

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<v Speaker 2>the necessity of eliminating Hamas and the difficulties that Israel

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<v Speaker 2>faces in doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>But do it they must.

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<v Speaker 2>Given Pennywong's comments today, it is surprising that Anthony Albanezi

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<v Speaker 2>claims to be a friend of Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>He still claims in an interview with.

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<v Speaker 2>Bomber Treasurer Josh Friedenberg in the documentary Last Night We

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<v Speaker 2>saw that Albanezi claimed that he supports the state of Israel.

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<v Speaker 7>And what we're seeing is an intellectual engagement or discourse.

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<v Speaker 7>What we're seeing is a promotion of simplistic slogans and

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<v Speaker 7>in some cases, a promotion of hate. Now I support

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<v Speaker 7>the state of Israel. I also support a two state solution.

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<v Speaker 2>We Labor can't have it both ways when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to their so called support for.

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<v Speaker 1>The State of Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Either Australia stands by its decision that recognizes that Hermas

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<v Speaker 2>must be removed from power, or.

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<v Speaker 1>It supports a ceasefire. It can't support both.

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<v Speaker 2>How does Penny Wog and Anthony Alberinezi actually want a

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<v Speaker 2>must to be removed from governing in Gaza fairy dust?

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<v Speaker 2>Pennywong's comments remind us that Labour is a fair weather

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<v Speaker 2>friend of Israel, at least the federal government, not Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Min's in New South Wales. Labor is a fair weather

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<v Speaker 2>friend of Israel. And they say they claim to condemn

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism and yet their comments contribute to it. And

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism is continuing to explode in our streets and

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<v Speaker 2>in our schools, and of course at our prestigious universities

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<v Speaker 2>where students talk about chasing Zionists off campus and they

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<v Speaker 2>shout into fighter Revolution, thank you. Now you think Sidior

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<v Speaker 2>University's Vice Chancellor Mark Scott would be trying to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with those clearly anti Semitic chants, but instead the former

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<v Speaker 2>ABC boss is now rewarding these protesters for their hate

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<v Speaker 2>by going so far as to include them in the

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<v Speaker 2>university's policies, inviting them to review their defense and security

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<v Speaker 2>research ties. And this means that any ties with Israel

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<v Speaker 2>could be cut. This is the same university that claimed

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<v Speaker 2>chance of interfada were not hate speech. Now the Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah Henderson spoke with my colleague James McPherson just a

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<v Speaker 2>short while ago.

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<v Speaker 3>And she condemned this in no uncertain terms.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a major problem of university leadership and political leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to ask where the Federal Education Minister Jason

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<v Speaker 2>Clay is on this, because it does amount to an

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<v Speaker 2>effective boycott of Israel by the University of Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>In Josh Fridenberg's documentary Last Night, the former PM John

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<v Speaker 2>Howard makes this point about Labour's responsibility for the crisis

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<v Speaker 2>that we're in.

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<v Speaker 8>I believe that if from the beginning the horrible events

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<v Speaker 8>the seventh of October had been denounced in unequivocal terms,

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<v Speaker 8>no if, but babies, no equivalents, no they From the

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<v Speaker 8>very beginning, you would not have had quite these outbreaks.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you give to have John Howard or even

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<v Speaker 2>Julia Gillard or any other leader who's able to find

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<v Speaker 2>the courage and strength to stand up to those filled

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<v Speaker 2>with hate as our prime minister right now, instead of

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<v Speaker 2>the leaders that we do have who are capitulating to

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<v Speaker 2>the terrorists and allowing anti.

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<v Speaker 1>Semitism to fester.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, also on the show tonight, the Albaneze government admits

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<v Speaker 2>there are major failings in its immigration policy, a mistake

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<v Speaker 2>that has seen murderers and rapists roam free. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a major political issue and I'm going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it throughout the show. We're also going to cross live

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<v Speaker 2>to Washington for the latest from Donald Trump's hush money trial.

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<v Speaker 2>But first let's bring in now tonight's panel, former Victorian

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and former Labor MP Michael Danby.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to you both. Michael Kroger, starting with you, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you make of Pennywang's demand that Israel leave Gayza

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<v Speaker 2>right now, give up the fight against the terrorists, or

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<v Speaker 2>who are hell bent on destroying every single Jew and

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<v Speaker 2>wiping out Israel.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, it's almost bizarre. So what if you expect to happen.

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<v Speaker 9>If that happened, if Israel laid down his weapons and

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<v Speaker 9>left Gaza, now Hamas would reassert control, retake over Gaza,

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<v Speaker 9>steal more money from the international community, rebuild their stock

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<v Speaker 9>of arms, probably then take steps to remove Martmuda bas

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<v Speaker 9>in the disputed territories because he's sick. They're sick of

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<v Speaker 9>the Palestinian authority, strengthen their operations in Qatar and Turkey,

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<v Speaker 9>and away they'd go again, and Israel would be demonstrably

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<v Speaker 9>less safe than it was previously. So what a totally

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<v Speaker 9>bizarre comment from the Foreign minister. And as for these

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<v Speaker 9>calls from a Palestinian state, Now Hamas would run the

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<v Speaker 9>Palestinian state, I mean they would have elections. Presumably it

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<v Speaker 9>would be run by Yaa Sinwa. He would be the

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<v Speaker 9>head of head of the government of the state which

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<v Speaker 9>coexisted right next to the state of Israel. So I

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<v Speaker 9>don't know what Penny Wong's thinking. Arguably she's done some

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<v Speaker 9>good work in the Pacific Islands with our neighbors there,

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<v Speaker 9>but on this issue she has been bizarre and extreme.

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<v Speaker 9>And that's what you get when you give the socialist

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<v Speaker 9>left portfolios of prime minister, foreign Minister and immigration minister.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly right, Michael Downby. I mean this is your

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<v Speaker 2>odd party. You were a federal labor MP. How different

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<v Speaker 2>is the party that you're seeing now their positions on

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<v Speaker 2>foreign policy with the governments that you were part of,

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<v Speaker 2>the labor governments that you were part of.

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<v Speaker 10>Utterly different. It's almost sad to see it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 10>Albo is relatively moderate compared to the rest of the

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<v Speaker 10>socialist left. The penny Wong said a few days after

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<v Speaker 10>October seventh that Israel had a right to defend itself.

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<v Speaker 10>It had a right to defend itself until it did so.

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<v Speaker 10>They're doing exactly what the Americans asked. They've moved nearly

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<v Speaker 10>a million people into the humanitarian zone. It's not a

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<v Speaker 10>full out attack on Rapha. It's targeted attacks by small

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<v Speaker 10>elite groups. And still you can't satisfy these people. So

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<v Speaker 10>the problem for the Israelis is that international opinion, led

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<v Speaker 10>by the penny Wongs of this world, the Spanish Prime minister, etc.

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<v Speaker 10>Are severely constraining their ability to fight and win. But

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<v Speaker 10>I suppose that's the truth of Zionism Shari that the

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<v Speaker 10>Jews are not reliant on the goodwill of any people.

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<v Speaker 10>They've had very bad experience over the decades, over the

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<v Speaker 10>centuries of being at the mercy of.

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<v Speaker 1>The merciless true True.

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<v Speaker 2>Now turning to federal politics, there's been an extraordinary admission

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<v Speaker 2>of fault from Labor today.

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<v Speaker 3>This failing of THEIRS led to.

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<v Speaker 2>Dozens of criminals, including murderers and rapists who are not

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<v Speaker 2>Australian citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>It meant that they were allowed to stay in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the Prime Minister today confirmed in question Time that

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Giles would now order a revised directive that will

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<v Speaker 2>replace the disastrous Direction ninety nine Have a look.

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<v Speaker 11>As the Minister has said, he'll be reviewing the recent

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<v Speaker 11>AT decisions and where necessary and appropriate, de'll over ruled them.

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<v Speaker 11>The Parliament yesterday's past legislation abolishing the raw to AAT

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<v Speaker 11>and replacing it with a new Administry of Review Tribunal

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<v Speaker 11>and the only effective way of ensuring that Tribunal members

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<v Speaker 11>are making better decisions is to issue a new revised direction,

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<v Speaker 11>which the Minister will be doing. The new directive will

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<v Speaker 11>ensure that the protection the committee out ways any.

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<v Speaker 2>Last Michael Kraigan, this is a rare and quiet, major

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<v Speaker 2>admission that their immigration policy has been wrong.

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<v Speaker 9>I think I said to your last week Charlott, if

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<v Speaker 9>they would have to rewrite this directive, and that's exactly

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<v Speaker 9>what they're doing. I'll tell you what's happened here. Giles

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<v Speaker 9>has gone and had a meeting with Albanzi as sure

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<v Speaker 9>as anything. All right, he's gone and had a meeting

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<v Speaker 9>with Albanesi, just the two of them, And Giles has said, Trim,

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<v Speaker 9>if you sack me, I'm going to come out and

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<v Speaker 9>tell everybody that you were the one that wanted this

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<v Speaker 9>direction ninety nine published because of your meeting with Jasida

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<v Speaker 9>A Durn She got you to agree to it. You

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<v Speaker 9>told me to write this directive. I wrote the directive.

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<v Speaker 9>This is what's happened. This is your fault, Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 9>not my fault. As minister. I'm copying all the blame.

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<v Speaker 9>So you come out on the front foot and defend

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<v Speaker 9>what we've done. So we're going to change it. But

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<v Speaker 9>if you sacked me, mate, I'll unload on you. I'll

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<v Speaker 9>tell you that's exactly what's happened, which is why Albow now,

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<v Speaker 9>having shifted the blame on this and not wanted to

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<v Speaker 9>talk about it for weeks, has for the first time

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<v Speaker 9>got up in the Parliament now and taken a policy

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<v Speaker 9>lead on changing a policy direction because Giles has put

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<v Speaker 9>the war on him. That's exactly what's happened behind the

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<v Speaker 9>scenes as far as I can.

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<v Speaker 2>Read it, and it's a big win politically for the coalition,

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<v Speaker 2>no question. Michael Downby, Can you tell us a bit

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<v Speaker 2>about what's going on here behind the scenes. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we all talk about one of the reasons and we

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<v Speaker 2>keep saying it on the show that Albanezy hasn't sacked

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Giles is because they're so close factionally.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell us a bit about this.

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<v Speaker 10>I had a famous professor who once said things are

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<v Speaker 10>what they appear to be. So the socialist left look

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<v Speaker 10>after each other. Albow is a socialist left Prime ministry

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<v Speaker 10>is a bit more mainstream than the rest of them.

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<v Speaker 10>Giles is his factional heavyweight in Victoria, and they rely

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<v Speaker 10>on each other. And when you make Australian foreign policy

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<v Speaker 10>or in migration policy dependent upon appeasing the ideology of

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<v Speaker 10>the socialist left in New Zealand, you end up with

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<v Speaker 10>this disaster where rapists and murderers and elderly grandmothers in

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<v Speaker 10>West Australia are bashed. Albough, you should get on a

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<v Speaker 10>plane and drag that Charles by the scruff of his

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<v Speaker 10>neck and go over there and apologize to that poor

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<v Speaker 10>woman who was so badly treated by that criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, now the ABC has publicly demonished its star political

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<v Speaker 2>correspondent Laura Tingle for her outburst over the weekend. The

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<v Speaker 2>ABC's news director, Justin Stevens, released a statement saying her

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<v Speaker 2>comments lacked the context, balance and supporting information of her

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<v Speaker 2>work for the ABC and would not have met the

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<v Speaker 2>ABC's editorial standards.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this, of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course comes after Laura Tingle herself released a statement saying

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<v Speaker 2>that her were claiming that her comments were taken out

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<v Speaker 2>of context and lacked detail. Michael Craig, whenever anything is

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<v Speaker 2>published about something that an individual doesn't like, they always

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<v Speaker 2>claim it was taken out of context. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 2>heard her words, the very audio of her words.

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<v Speaker 1>She's clearly this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not the first time she has lacked impartiality, yet

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<v Speaker 2>she's meant to be their political correspondent.

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<v Speaker 9>Laura should step down for goodness, sake. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 9>she's embarrassed the ABC, she's embarrassed herself and for the

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<v Speaker 9>lead political reporter in this country to have published what

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<v Speaker 9>she said on the weekend. You know, why is it

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<v Speaker 9>that everyone at the ABC seems to be hard left?

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<v Speaker 9>Since we left wing always apologizing for tweets and is

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<v Speaker 9>there anyone in the right wing of the ABC's had

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<v Speaker 9>to apologize. No, they happen to have to apologize because

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<v Speaker 9>they aren't in is we know so don't even.

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<v Speaker 3>Have anyone in the center. Will they have anyone in

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<v Speaker 3>the center?

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<v Speaker 1>Not many.

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<v Speaker 9>The only thing, the only thing I'd say in defense

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<v Speaker 9>of Laura was if she was talking about the Jewish hatred,

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<v Speaker 9>the underlying racism that's always been there in Australia, I

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<v Speaker 9>give her a tick for that. If that's what she

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<v Speaker 9>was talking about. I fear that wasn't what she was

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<v Speaker 9>talking about. I fear what she was talking about was

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<v Speaker 9>we're all racist because we don't like Aboriginals and First

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<v Speaker 9>Nations peoples, blah blah blah. We're all racist because we

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<v Speaker 9>didn't vote for the Voice. I suspect that's probably what

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<v Speaker 9>she meant. But you can't have the head of effectively

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<v Speaker 9>the lead political reporter for the ABC across the country,

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<v Speaker 9>having attacked Peter Dutton in the way she did, having

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<v Speaker 9>made this comment about Australians are all racists out there?

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<v Speaker 9>Or you blue collar people out there who voted against

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<v Speaker 9>the Voice, you're all racists? I mean, is this what

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<v Speaker 9>the ABC thinks? This person was elected to the board

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<v Speaker 9>by the ABC staff. They know her views, so she

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<v Speaker 9>reflects the views of the staff. Is this woman the

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<v Speaker 9>ABC's out of control?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, just before we go in, while we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>media network scandals are The Australian newspaper reports today that

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<v Speaker 2>nine chief executive Mike Sneezebee's leadership is on shaky ground.

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<v Speaker 2>They write that given the apparent calling of sneeze and

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<v Speaker 2>Costello's professional relationship and the despair of some other board

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<v Speaker 2>members about how the Wick matter has been handled, senior

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<v Speaker 2>insiders say mister Sneezbey's future is now uncertain. Michael Dowanby,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a big scandal that the channel at the

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<v Speaker 2>nine network, initially over sexual harassment allegations. Now it seems

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<v Speaker 2>there is this leadership tension and there are questions about

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<v Speaker 2>whether Mike Sneezebee or Peter Costello will have to go.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank heavens, there's an alternative network like Sky and Shari

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<v Speaker 10>to expose all of this kind of stuff. Thank heavens

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<v Speaker 10>we've got gutsy Sophie Ellsworth going behind enemy lines to

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<v Speaker 10>record what people are saying when they don't think other

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<v Speaker 10>people are listening to them. And thank heavens for Sky

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<v Speaker 10>that you did that program on anti Semitism, which you're

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<v Speaker 10>that you interviewed the chairman of not the chairman but

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<v Speaker 10>a board member of the ABC gersh who see this

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<v Speaker 10>should have been broadcast in the last seven months in

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<v Speaker 10>Australia on the text Bayer funded network. So nine is bad,

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<v Speaker 10>but the agency is worse since Sky is good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, all right, Michael Kroger, Michael Danby, thank you both

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<v Speaker 2>so much for your time. Now coming up why veteran

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<v Speaker 2>journalist Paul Kelly says Australia is a nation now splitting

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<v Speaker 2>into two cultures, and he'll join me next. Also across

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<v Speaker 2>Live to Washington for the latest on Donald Trump's hush

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<v Speaker 2>money trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back now.

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<v Speaker 2>As we know, the International Criminal Court has brought its

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<v Speaker 2>credibility into disrepute after it requested arrest warrants for Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister Benjamin Nettan Yahoo and his Defense minister.

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<v Speaker 1>This essentially conflated.

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<v Speaker 2>The democratic government of Israel, defined by its morals and

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<v Speaker 2>how it acts in accordance with international law.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it equated them with the mus terrorists.

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<v Speaker 2>One journalist who since October seven has been a standout

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<v Speaker 2>in his exceptional columns writing about this issue Israel, anti

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<v Speaker 2>Semitism and just pulling apart the hypocrisy is the Australians

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<v Speaker 2>Editor at Large, Paul Kelly, the most experienced political journalist

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<v Speaker 2>in our country. Paul, I'm delighted to have you join

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<v Speaker 2>me once again. Thank you very much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always an honor to have you here. Why do

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<v Speaker 2>you think the International Criminal Court got it so badly

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<v Speaker 2>wrong in its decision.

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<v Speaker 12>I think there's been a lack of integrity, a lack

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<v Speaker 12>of credibility, and a sense of bias against Israel long

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<v Speaker 12>displayed from this court. And as far as Australia is concerned,

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<v Speaker 12>if the prosecutor's request to issue these arrest warrants is given,

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<v Speaker 12>I think Australia should consider very carefully whether it wants

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<v Speaker 12>to remain a member of this court. We know that

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<v Speaker 12>the previous Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer, who is essentially responsible

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<v Speaker 12>for US joining the court, has signaled that as far

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<v Speaker 12>as he's concerned, he thinks we should withdraw if these

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<v Speaker 12>arrest warrants are given. I think John Howard, if they

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<v Speaker 12>are given, will make a very powerful statement. But the

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<v Speaker 12>point about this court is this court, with this decision,

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<v Speaker 12>brings into doubt its own credibility. Australia as a democratic

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<v Speaker 12>sovereign nation is under no commitment to adhere to this

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<v Speaker 12>court if we feel it lacks proper standards. So I

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<v Speaker 12>think there'll be a real test here if these warrants

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<v Speaker 12>are in fact granted.

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<v Speaker 2>What we saw part of its flawed process, which meant

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<v Speaker 2>that it arrived at this decision, is that it reportedly,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is according to very credible reports in The Times,

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<v Speaker 2>it reportedly relied on a panel that was far from impartial.

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<v Speaker 2>It was stacked with ideologues who hate Israel, and they

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<v Speaker 2>relied on advice of doctors that were sympathizes.

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<v Speaker 12>Look, I think there are three essential problems with this

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<v Speaker 12>statement from the prosecutor. The first is what it means

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<v Speaker 12>is that leaders of democratic nations that are attacked that

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<v Speaker 12>seek to defend themselves in a war campaign and eliminate

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<v Speaker 12>their aggressor are likely to be charged with war crimes.

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<v Speaker 12>But if this court had been around in nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 12>four or nineteen forty five, then I think Winston Churchill,

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<v Speaker 12>Franklin Roosevelt, and Harry Truman would have been up as

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<v Speaker 12>war criminals. Secondly, by linking Hamas with the Israeli leaders,

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<v Speaker 12>essentially you create a sense of equivalents there. This is

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<v Speaker 12>very damaging to Israel. It's linked with a terrorist organization,

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<v Speaker 12>and it elevates Hamas almost to the status of a

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<v Speaker 12>nation state. I think it indicates the flawed nature and

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<v Speaker 12>the bias nature of the culture of the court. And finally,

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<v Speaker 12>the provisions of the Court are that in a last resort,

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<v Speaker 12>it can only intervene in a particular country where the

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<v Speaker 12>judicial system of that country is not working or is nonexistent.

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<v Speaker 12>That does not seem to apply in the case of Israel.

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<v Speaker 12>So for those reasons, and given those arguments, I think

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<v Speaker 12>we've got to look very very suspiciously at the motives

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<v Speaker 12>and the purpose of this prosecutor's decision. And what will

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<v Speaker 12>be fundamental, of course, is what the panel on the

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<v Speaker 12>Court decides about the rest worrants, and not to mention.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't even visit Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't even go on the ground like they had

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<v Speaker 2>said they were meant to, so they didn't follow their

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<v Speaker 2>own processes for a thorough investigation. Paul, those were very

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 2>strong remarks, very very well said, what do you make

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<v Speaker 2>of the Albanese government's response to this finding. We saw

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<v Speaker 2>that other parts of the world, many of our international counterparts,

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<v Speaker 2>led by the United States, strongly condemned the ICC decision,

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<v Speaker 2>the ICC ruling, and yet our own leadership in Australia

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't say that if Benjamin Netanya, who came here hypothetically,

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<v Speaker 2>that he wouldn't be arrested.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, they're weak and they're paralyzed. They seem to be spooked,

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<v Speaker 12>and I think the government is spooped about how to

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<v Speaker 12>manage the internal politics of this conflict within this country.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, the fact of the matter is that we

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<v Speaker 12>have the President of the United States making a powerful

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<v Speaker 12>statement saying this is an outrageous statement from the prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 12>We have the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom criticizing it,

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<v Speaker 12>and we have the Prime Minister of Australia. Can't defend

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<v Speaker 12>it and can't criticize it. He just can't talk about it.

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<v Speaker 12>It's as though he's immobilized. Well, that won't work, because

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<v Speaker 12>at the end of the day, if the court decides

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<v Speaker 12>to issue the warrants, then Australia, as a committed nation

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<v Speaker 12>of the court, will be obliged to arrest the Israeli

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<v Speaker 12>Prime minister if he visits this if he visits this

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<v Speaker 12>country again as he did back in twenty seventeen when

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 12>Malcolm Turnbull was Prime Minister. Now, of course that won't happen.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm quite certain that if the warrant is upheld, no

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<v Speaker 12>Australian government will take that action. But the fact of

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<v Speaker 12>the matter is being committed to the court means that

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<v Speaker 12>we should take that action. Well, how untenable is that?

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<v Speaker 12>How untenable would it be for an Australian government to

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<v Speaker 12>be in a situation where it was obliged to arrest

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<v Speaker 12>the Prime Minister of Israel or the former prime minister

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<v Speaker 12>of Israel should.

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<v Speaker 1>He step forward here? Precisely unbelievable. Just one final question.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you mentioned how the Prime Minister is immobilized

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<v Speaker 2>and he can't seem to utter any strong words on

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<v Speaker 2>this issue and it has been a problem for him

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<v Speaker 2>over the past eight months.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think this goes to his character?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he just a different type of leader than others

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen in the past, are the prime ministers in

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<v Speaker 2>the past? Or is it on this particular issue that

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<v Speaker 2>he seems to be caught in the politics of it.

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<v Speaker 12>I think this is a particularly difficult moral and political

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<v Speaker 12>issue for the Labor Party. We haven't seen this sort

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<v Speaker 12>of issue are up before at this level on this

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 12>scale for a Labor government. And what's happened, of course

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<v Speaker 12>over the past twenty to twenty five years within the

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 12>Labor Party, particularly the left of the Labor Party, hostility

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.880
<v Speaker 12>to Israel has become virtually an article of faith. Now

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<v Speaker 12>a lot of people weren't aware of that. We're only

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 12>aware of it to a certain extent as a result

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<v Speaker 12>of what's happened with the war. So there's a fundamental

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 12>internal problem for the Labor Party managing its own ranks.

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<v Speaker 12>Given the degree of hostility towards Israel within the party,

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<v Speaker 12>then you've got the related problem of the votes in

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<v Speaker 12>a number of Labor electtions where there is a high

0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:06.160
<v Speaker 12>percentage of Muslim voters and the party and senior members

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:09.199
<v Speaker 12>of the party are particularly concerned about that. That is

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 12>a political and electoral problem for them. You put those

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:17.680
<v Speaker 12>two problems together and essentially you've got a government which

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<v Speaker 12>I think has been weak and uncertain and all over

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<v Speaker 12>the place, bending one way, bending the other way over

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<v Speaker 12>the course of the past eight months. It doesn't reflect

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<v Speaker 12>well on the character of the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, indeed doesn't reflect well on the character of Albinezi.

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<v Speaker 1>It certainly doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Kelly, thank you so much for being in here

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<v Speaker 2>and for being so strong and articulate in your articles

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<v Speaker 2>in The Australian and here tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 12>Thank you, er, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, after six weeks, twenty two witnesses and a number

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 2>of tordry testimonies, Donald Trump's criminal trial is finally coming

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 2>to a close. Lawyers made their closing arguments. It is

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>hush money case. The former president having this to say outside.

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 5>Court, maybe no mistake about it.

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 10>I'm here because itself crooked.

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 13>Joe Baden, the worst president in the history of our country,

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 13>is destroying our country.

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 12>He's destroying our country and he's.

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<v Speaker 14>Also destroying it with the weaponization.

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 15>And this is purely his weaponization.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's bring in now the Australians. Washington correspondent

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Crichton. Adam, thank you very much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Now tell us the latest with the trial.

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<v Speaker 16>Good evening, shot. Well, we could have a result within

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 16>twelve hours. It's that close actually, So, as you said,

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 16>closing arguments finished up yesterday. The defense went for about

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 16>three hours and the prosecution went for about five hours.

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 16>Jurors actually stayed until eight pm last night, which is

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 16>very unusual. So this morning in New York, the judge

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 16>will give the instructions to the jurors and then they'll

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 16>start their deliberations. And that you know, that could take

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 16>a few hours, It could take a few days. I mean,

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 16>the experts say the longer the decision takes, the more

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 16>likely it will be an acquittal. But the experts are

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 16>basically pretty divided fifty to fifty.

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 15>I mean, there are many.

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 16>Areas where jurors should have reasonable doubt. But of course,

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 16>this is New York, this is a this is a

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 16>district that voted eighty five percent for Democrats in twenty twenty.

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 16>So we have to wait and.

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<v Speaker 2>Say this was quite an extraordinary tirade. Today from Hollywood

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 2>a lister Robert de Niro.

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 13>Have a look, if Trump returns to the White House,

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 13>you can kiss these freedoms goodbye that we all take

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 13>for granted, and elections forget about it. That's over, that's done.

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 13>If he gets in, I can tell you right now.

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 5>He will never leave.

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 3>It's a bit much, isn't it. Adam is going to

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 3>Trump's going to counsel elections.

0:30:58.160 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 14>Yeah.

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 16>Look, certainly that actor has been He's been on TV

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 16>many times blasting Donald Trump. He's hated him for a

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 16>long time. I think the real question is why Democrats

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 16>thought that that would help them. I mean, we saw

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 16>in our own debate in Australia in the Voice that

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 16>having celebrities on your side does not help. And one

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 16>of the core concerns of Americans is, of course inflation.

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 16>So do they really want to be hearing from a

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 16>rich guy in New York saying that Donald Trump supposedly

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 16>is going to be a dictator. I don't think so,

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 16>but certainly it was very entertaining.

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, now Trump seems to have changed his view on

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Julian Assange.

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's have a look at this.

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 16>Will you pardon Julian Assange.

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 13>Well, I'm going to talk about that today and we're

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 13>going to give it very serious consideration.

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 2>So Adam, look, there is this new ground smell of

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.480
<v Speaker 2>support for assiannge. I've never personally understood it, but the

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 2>general sentiment on both sides of politics now seems to

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:53.640
<v Speaker 2>be that he's kind of done his time, even though

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 2>he's never actually done his time, but that, you know,

0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:00.040
<v Speaker 2>the view is, and there is this pressure from the

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister in Australia on the Biden administration and obviously

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 2>on parts of the team Trump to pardon Assan and

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 2>just let him be free and live his life.

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>What do you think, Well, I.

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 16>Think the likely thing now is the US is just

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 16>going to wait to see how this appeal goes in

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 16>the UK, and perhaps if he's victorious in the appeal.

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 16>If Assigne is victorious, the US might just drop it, because,

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 16>as you suggest, on both sides of politics, there is

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 16>this growing support for him. There is this belief that

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 16>he has served enough time.

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 15>In effect.

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 16>Look, I think in Trump's case, that's really going to

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:40.239
<v Speaker 16>depend which ministers end up in his cabinet. I mean,

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 16>of course, it was his administration that seriously pursued Assange

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 16>in the first place. So there's quite a diversity of views.

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 16>You've got Mike Pompeo, the former Secretary of State, who

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 16>really really hates Assange, and indeed, of course, as you know,

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 16>there were reports that he tried to kill him, have

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 16>him assassinated. And then, of course, on the other hand,

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 16>you've got people like the President.

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Adam, let me just clarify that there. Let me

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 2>just clarify that there, for accuracy, Mike Pompeo himself didn't

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 2>try to kill a Signs. The allegations are that, oh CIA, Yes,

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 2>allegations are that the.

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 1>CIA tried to have him killed.

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Those allegations were made by assigners lawyer who came on

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the show to speak about it, Jennifer Robinson, and she

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 2>claims to have documents that support it.

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Continue.

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 16>Yes, yes, that's right. No, yes, So look, I mean

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 16>I think it's a really uncertain what happens. I mean,

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 16>Joe Biden of course recently made a flitting remark that

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 16>he was considering Australia's request to drop the charges. So look,

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 16>let's just wait and see. But certainly politics are involved.

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 16>The more popular, the more sympathy there is for him,

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 16>the more likely. I think ultimately the US will drop

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 16>the charges.

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Just a system, especially in the US, never free from politics,

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 2>as we've seen with this Trump case. All right, Adam Crichton,

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for joining me. Now coming up,

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 2>the Labor admits its own error on immigration security, forcing

0:33:57.000 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 2>a rewrite of their disastrous policy. Will have a fiery

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 2>debate with my political panel after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Immigration Minister Andrew Giles is under immense pressure

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 2>to resign. I feel like I've been saying that on

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 2>air for weeks now, but the pressure is really on today.

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.359
<v Speaker 2>And he has vowed to review the cases of up

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 2>to thirty foreigners, some with extraordinary criminal histories, and yet

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 2>they were allowed to keep their visas because of their

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 2>links to Australia.

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.799
<v Speaker 14>A number of cases were not raised with me by

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:38.839
<v Speaker 14>my department, and I've asked my department for an explanation

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 14>why my department is now looking at all these cases

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 14>as a priority of the pain. They are all under

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 14>cancelation consideration.

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 2>All the department's fault wasn't raised with me, never his responsibility,

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 2>even though he is the minister. I mean, despite this

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 2>clear incompetence, the Home Affairs Minister defended him on breakfast

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>television today.

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.920
<v Speaker 17>So actually, Minister Giles has stepped in here. He's taking

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.239
<v Speaker 17>action as a good minister would do. He has demanded

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.319
<v Speaker 17>answers from the department about why these visas were not

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 17>brought to his attention.

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's bring in our political panel, National Senate

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Leader Bridget McKenzie and Labor MP Daniel Malino. Daniel, I

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 2>have to say I almost feel sorry for you having

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:30.720
<v Speaker 2>to try defend your colleague here because everyone can see

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 2>that the incompetence has got to such a point that

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:35.399
<v Speaker 2>something needs to give.

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 1>He's got to go.

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 2>He's not up to the job of managing our border

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:42.879
<v Speaker 2>security and the community safety.

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.839
<v Speaker 18>Well, can I just begin my answer by saying, and look,

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 18>I think this is something that all MPs would agree with,

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 18>that a number of very disturbing cases have been raised

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 18>in the House and more generally, and I just want

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:58.840
<v Speaker 18>to firstly say that obviously my thoughts go out to

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 18>any people who have been affected by any crimes. So

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:06.839
<v Speaker 18>that's just the starting point. Look, what we're dealing with

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.320
<v Speaker 18>is an incredibly complex system and just by way of context,

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 18>and I haven't raised this in previous weeks. But I

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 18>do just want to say that we inherited a system

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 18>that had been heavily criticized by a number of independent reviews.

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 18>Christine Nixon, Dennis Richards, and Martin Parkinson, people who are

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 18>widely respected across the parties. They all said that the

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 18>system had been neglected for a long period of time.

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:33.319
<v Speaker 18>We inherited not only a system that was creaking at

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 18>the seams, but there was a gargantuin waiting list. So

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 18>it's in that context that this government has been trying

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 18>to fix a mess which we inherited. Now, when it

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 18>comes to these AAT cases, a criterion was added, but

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 18>the clear intention was that matters like the severity of

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 18>the crime family violence in particular should remain paramount. And

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 18>I think the Minister's now coming in after having found

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 18>out belatedly some of these cases, to fix and clarify this,

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 18>and I think that's the right action.

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Bridget Daniel Molina says, this was your system. It was

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 2>your mess that they're trying to fix up.

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:14.439
<v Speaker 19>Well, it's not that this is yeah, absolutely, this guy

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 19>has spent his entire adult life seeking to weaken Operation

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:24.280
<v Speaker 19>Sovereign Borders. Who has not actually appreciated that the reason

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 19>we have a tough approach to immigration and the settings

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 19>we had when we were in government was to make

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.880
<v Speaker 19>sure that real people didn't get really hurt in real life.

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 19>And now he's taken his university philos to the ministerial

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 19>sign off stage and he's making mistake after mistake after mistake,

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 19>and it is absolutely fascical. And I think, Shari, when

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 19>you opened with the know, how can labor keep defending

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 19>this guy when Australians are not being saved and every

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:58.919
<v Speaker 19>time he comes on to try and fix the job,

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 19>it's just in the greater stuff up.

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:02.359
<v Speaker 1>He has to go.

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 19>And if the PM had any leadership capacity, he would

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:12.240
<v Speaker 19>sack Giles and appoint someone who can actually.

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:12.959
<v Speaker 1>Do the job. Yeah.

0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I should just clarify that at the start

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.720
<v Speaker 2>there you were speaking about Andrew Giles and not our guest,

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Sir Daniel Melino In in case anyone wondered. Now, inflation has

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 2>crept back up to three point six percent in the

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:29.719
<v Speaker 2>year to April. This is the second consecutive month is

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 2>that it has inched higher. It is concerning data. It

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:36.840
<v Speaker 2>takes the chance of an interest rate cut off the

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 2>table Treasurer Jim Chalmers look says that he's not too

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 2>concerned about this. Daniel, Why isn't the government worried that

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 2>inflation has gone up to three point six percent?

0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 18>Well, well, look, I mean clearly I'd rather be coming

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 18>in here saying it had edged down by point one

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 18>rather than gone up by point one. But look, I'd

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 18>say a couple of things. One is it's really good

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 18>that Australia is now collecting monthly CPI data because for

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 18>a long time it was only quarterly, and all of

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 18>the other major economies collected monthly, which is clearly important

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:12.720
<v Speaker 18>because the central banks make much more frequent decisions than quarterly.

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 18>But when you collect monthly, it does tend to be

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 18>more volatile. And our monthly numbers only get updated with

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 18>about two thirds of the basket, so we've just got

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:22.719
<v Speaker 18>to be a lot more cautious with how we interpret

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 18>the monthly number. The second thing is this is an

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 18>April read, so it's pre budget and that's another cavet.

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 18>And finally, what I would say is there are cross

0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:35.439
<v Speaker 18>currents in the data at the minute, so unemployed Sorry,

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 18>inflation edged up by point one, but the day before

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 18>we had retail sales near flat for the sixth month

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 18>in a row at point one, which shows that the

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.680
<v Speaker 18>reserve banks interest rate rises are having a real impact

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:51.480
<v Speaker 18>on spending in the economy. And today we saw construction down,

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 18>so we are really seeing a lot of measures indicating

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:57.359
<v Speaker 18>that aggregate demand is reducing, which is what we need

0:39:57.400 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 18>to see in order for inflation to come down. And

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 18>find I just make the point that it's gone up

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 18>by point one, but it has come down materially from

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 18>when it was above eight. So I think we're still

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 18>tracking in the right direction in terms of the trend,

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 18>and we just need to wait for that quarterly number

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 18>to get the real trend.

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, let's bring Bridget in on this.

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.400
<v Speaker 2>And you know, at the same time, we've seen today

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 2>that Ed Husick has broken ranks to intervene on economic policy.

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 2>It's been seen as a challenger, an undermining of the

0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Treasurer's authority. So the industry minister, who's got nothing to

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 2>do with the financial portfolios in government, he's broken ranks

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:40.800
<v Speaker 2>to urge Jim Chalmers to lower company taxes.

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 20>Here he is I believe in the strongest labor traditions.

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.240
<v Speaker 20>We need to be able to bring business and labor

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 20>labo you are together and show that everyone wins. I

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<v Speaker 20>mean that has been the legacy, that that's been the

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<v Speaker 20>hallmark of previous labor governments, and we need to consider

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<v Speaker 20>that how we do that, either through corporate tax reform

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<v Speaker 20>or the way in which we provide investment allowances for

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<v Speaker 20>the uptick in manufacturing capital.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm going to get to your bridget, but just

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly, Daniel, do you agree with him?

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<v Speaker 18>Well, look, my whole career has been based on a

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<v Speaker 18>labor party that works with business for productivity and employment.

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<v Speaker 18>I mean, I think corporate tax reform for me, is

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<v Speaker 18>much more than about the rate. It's also about things

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<v Speaker 18>like the production subjecties. We've talked about about instant as

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<v Speaker 18>set right off. So both parties I think have engaged

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<v Speaker 18>in corporate tax reform. I don't think there's much in

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<v Speaker 18>there that's particularly new.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you think do you agree with that music

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<v Speaker 2>that we should that the government should look at lowering

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<v Speaker 2>company taxes?

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<v Speaker 18>Well, you know, I mean I think we should be

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<v Speaker 18>looking at a whole range of taxes that could potentially

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<v Speaker 18>be reduced if they're inefficient and economy. That's always got

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<v Speaker 18>to be balanced against the need for revenue. I don't

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<v Speaker 18>think this is on the government's agenda, and he was

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<v Speaker 18>talking about long term so I certainly don't think that's

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<v Speaker 18>something on this government's agenda.

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<v Speaker 2>Bridget what do you think Do you think it is

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<v Speaker 2>time to address the company tax rate?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 19>You know, I think having a look at our entire

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<v Speaker 19>tax system.

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<v Speaker 1>Is very needed. What I think Ed has done.

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<v Speaker 19>With this particular speech has actually you know, got the

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<v Speaker 19>starter's gun going on the next labor leadership issue. The

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<v Speaker 19>ALP MPs clearly know the Prime Minister isn't up for

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<v Speaker 19>the job. He lost his authority over the Voice and

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<v Speaker 19>his leadership has failed following Hermas's massacre on October the

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<v Speaker 19>seventh and this government's poor response here at home with

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<v Speaker 19>matters pertaining to Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're all lining up. ED isn't the only one.

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<v Speaker 19>Richard Marles was spooking his wares against anti Semitism here

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<v Speaker 19>in Parliament today we had tan Plibusec's taking a very

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 19>strong stance one the Coalition has been talking about a

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<v Speaker 19>long time against pornography and its impact on our young people.

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<v Speaker 19>So you'll see Tony Burke coming out shortly. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 19>and others. As it becomes clearer that the labor corcus,

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<v Speaker 19>particularly the senior cabinet ministers, recognize that that the Prime

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<v Speaker 19>Minister just isn't up to the job.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Daniel, I've got to let you respond to that

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly because we're out of time. Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>this is ed Husick showing that he doesn't support the

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<v Speaker 2>prime minister?

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<v Speaker 18>No, Look, I actually feel like our political system works

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<v Speaker 18>best when people can throw ideas in the mix. And

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<v Speaker 18>as I said, I think this idea is actually very consistent.

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<v Speaker 18>This is very consistent with a central plank of the budget,

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<v Speaker 18>which is corporate tax guarn leaf for companies that engage

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<v Speaker 18>in green hydrogen investment and critical minerals investment. So I

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<v Speaker 18>actually think it's very consistent with the core plank of

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<v Speaker 18>our future made in Australia. So I don't see anything

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<v Speaker 18>in this, but I think political.

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<v Speaker 2>Impressive spin, Daniel Milino, very impressive spin, and Husick is

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<v Speaker 2>doing a very proud Daniel Milino, Bridget McKenzie, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>both very much for joining me.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>After the break, Sydney University caves in to the anti

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Israel protesters, offering to give them a say in policies

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<v Speaker 2>plus breaking news just in the Greens have put a

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<v Speaker 2>specific demand on the table to support Labor should there

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<v Speaker 2>be a hung parliament. Stay tuned, welcome back, well breaking

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<v Speaker 2>news just now by Joe Kelly in The Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>He says that.

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<v Speaker 2>The Greens leader Adam adam Band has put recognition of

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<v Speaker 2>a Palestinian state as one of the key demands that

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<v Speaker 2>he'll make of Anthony Alberizi if they go into talks

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<v Speaker 2>if there is a hung parliament at the next election,

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<v Speaker 2>well to discuss this and more. Bringing now the Executive

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<v Speaker 2>Council of Australian Jury CO Chief Executive Alex Rifchin. Alex,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for joining us. So Adam bound just giving

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 2>those comments right now to Joe Kelly in The Australian,

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<v Speaker 2>he says he will elevate the recognition of a Palestinian

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<v Speaker 2>state in any discussions for minority government should the election

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<v Speaker 2>return a hung parliament. This does feel concerns about a

0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Labor Green coalition. I mean we think kind of Labour

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't been strong enough to support the Jewish community as

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<v Speaker 2>it is, but if they get into a coalition with

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<v Speaker 2>the Greens, this could get even worse, it.

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<v Speaker 15>Would be a dangerous thing. It's frankly unthinkable. In the

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<v Speaker 15>past seven eight months, since October seven, the Greens have

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<v Speaker 15>staked out the most extreme positions against Israel and the

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 15>Jewish community imaginable. We've seen their members of parliament at

0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:53.520
<v Speaker 15>state and federal level engage in overt open anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 15>We're talking about genllingly On, the member for Newtown in

0:45:56.719 --> 0:46:00.400
<v Speaker 15>the New South Wales Parliament, talking about Jewish tentacles seeking

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 15>to control power and government and so forth, and no sanction,

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:06.839
<v Speaker 15>no actions were taken against her by her party. So

0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:09.000
<v Speaker 15>this is a party that needs to be considered what

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<v Speaker 15>it is, which is institutionally anti Semitic, and as such

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<v Speaker 15>the major party should pledge to preference them last. And

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 15>the notion that Labor would actually do a deal with

0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 15>them and be beholden to them in some sort of

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.440
<v Speaker 15>a coalition government is apparent, and we would call on

0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:28.880
<v Speaker 15>Labor to declare that it will not, in any circumstances

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<v Speaker 15>sit in coalition with the Greens, particularly given this latest

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<v Speaker 15>policy gener of Airs pushing for the declaration of a

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<v Speaker 15>Palestine state, effectively recognizing the terror state in Gaza. That's

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<v Speaker 15>something that most Australians would find vile and extreme, and

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 15>it's something that we as the Jewish community would oppose

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<v Speaker 15>until the very end.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it is a sitting week in Canberra. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a big story. Labor is going to have to respond

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:56.839
<v Speaker 2>to it tomorrow. But the reality is Labour's halfway there

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<v Speaker 2>down the path of saying that they recognize oppaliance Palestinian state.

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<v Speaker 1>In any case, Now, Alex, I want.

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<v Speaker 2>To ask you about this offer from the University of

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney's Mark Scott to the pro Palestinian protesters to be

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<v Speaker 2>involved in reviewing the institutions that are involved in their

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 2>defense and security ties. The Vice Chancellor, Mike Scott has

0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:22.360
<v Speaker 2>given the campus until three o'clock tomorrow to respond to

0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:26.320
<v Speaker 2>the offer. I mean, these protesters responsible for hate chance

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<v Speaker 2>and yet then they're rewarded by this And wouldn't this

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:33.399
<v Speaker 2>effectively amount to a boycott of Israeli companies anyway.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, we need to see exactly what Mark Scott and

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<v Speaker 15>the university has supposedly agreed to with these students. But

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<v Speaker 15>on the face of it, it looks like a pathetic capitulation

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<v Speaker 15>to extreme this. It looks like appeasement in its worst form.

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<v Speaker 15>From the very beginning, we have caught on the universities

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<v Speaker 15>to close these encampments, to enforce their policies to protect Joys,

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:57.080
<v Speaker 15>students and staff. We're being intimidated and harassed. We're being

0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 15>told to stay home from campus for their own safety.

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<v Speaker 15>And if a deal has in fact been done with

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 15>these thugs and extremists, it shows that they have greater

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 15>rights and greater powers than Jewish students and academics who

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 15>simply want to learn and study at their university. We

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.160
<v Speaker 15>need to see exactly what Mark Sot has agreed to.

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<v Speaker 15>But if there is any pledge to review arrangements or

0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 15>agreements with Israeli universities, if this opens the path to

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<v Speaker 15>a boycott campaign, they'll be responsible for everything that ensues.

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<v Speaker 15>They would have set a terrible piece of it, not

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<v Speaker 15>only for this university, but for higher education institutions throughout

0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:34.759
<v Speaker 15>the country. This is one of our most esteemed and

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 15>prestigious universities, and to think that they would engage in

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:41.360
<v Speaker 15>any sort of negotiation with these people who have openly

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<v Speaker 15>professed their support for terrorism is a very disappointing thing

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<v Speaker 15>in the extreme.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, all right, Alex Ripchin, thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 2>joining me tonight now. Usually I bring you the big news,

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<v Speaker 2>but tonight my mate Paul Murray has a big story

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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And here he is.