1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: It's Monday, June three. It'll be a decade before the 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: Albanese government's huge boost in defense spending makes our military stronger, 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: according to a new analysis revealed in The Australian Today. 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: It comes as a fresh poll shows seventy percent of 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: Australians believe China will become a military threat within the 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: next twenty years. The husband of missing mum Bromwyn Winfield 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: was jealous and possessive, a former wife, has told The 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: Australian's investigative podcast into her suspected murder. John Winfield denies 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: all wrongdoing and has never been charged over Bronwin's nineteen 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: ninety three disappearance. You can catch the ex wife's account 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: of her unhappy marriage in episode three, exclusively for subscribers 13 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: now at Bronwyn po podcast dot com. The Australian is 14 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: turning sixty and to celebrate the milestone, our journalists and 15 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: editors are delving into the archives to reflect on how 16 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: Australia and the paper has changed in the past six decades. Today, 17 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: with the Paris Olympics just around the corner, we hear 18 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: the story of a young swimmer whose youthful defiance denied 19 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: her a glittering career. There's a bit of Australian sports 20 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: law that almost everyone knows or thinks they know. Dawn Fraser, 21 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: then widely considered the greatest swimmer of all time, was 22 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: banned from swimming for a decade in nineteen sixty five. 23 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: Like most Australians, Dawn is upset by the drastic action 24 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,279 Speaker 2: which we'll finish her swimming career. 25 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: In an exclusive statement to Sydney radio station two Yue, 26 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: she's a but. 27 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit there and let's people say 28 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: my name. 29 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 1: And here's what the man and woman in the street 30 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: think of it. Many people believe Fraser was banned for 31 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: stealing a flag from the Emperor's palace while in Tokyo 32 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: for the nineteen sixty four Olympics, a crime for which 33 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: she was arrested, but the champion swimmer apologized and the 34 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: charges were dropped. The Emperor even let Fraser keep the 35 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: flag as a gift. The band came about for another reason. Entirely. 36 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: What I discovered was that, in fact, at those Olympic Games, 37 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: there was an opening ceremony. Obviously, everyone wanted to march 38 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: at the opening ceremony. 39 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,559 Speaker 1: Fiona Heirari is a writer for the Weekend Australian magazine. 40 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: But the Australian officials told Australian athletes that if they 41 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: were competing in the first three days of competition, because 42 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: they might become fatigued, they could not march in the 43 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: opening ceremony. Apparently someone turned up at the athletes village 44 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: and said, look, maybe we should march, and at least 45 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 3: four people Australian female swimmers decided that they would try 46 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: and get to the opening ceremony. 47 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: Two of those women were nabbed by Olympics officials before 48 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: they could board the team bus to the opening ceremony. 49 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: But Dawn Fraser and another swimmer, Marlene Damon, who was 50 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: just fourteen years old at the time and in Tokyo 51 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: to compete in the women's one hundred meter backstroke, boarded 52 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: the bus and evaded detection. 53 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: And I'm told it's because they were sitting behind someone 54 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 3: who was reading a broadsheet newspaper, possibly the Australian that 55 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: happened to obscure them. 56 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: Fraser and Damon did march at that opening ceremony, then 57 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: went on to compete in Tokyo. Fraser put on a 58 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: characteristically world class performance, winning gold in the women's one 59 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: hundred meter freestyle and becoming the first swimmer to win 60 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: the same event three times. 61 00:03:50,680 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: Play Fraser, Australia, You're a start away, not crasure one 62 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: way number four, Well pleasure where number before? 63 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: Marlene Damon placed sixth in her heat and it looked 64 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: like she and Fraser had got away with their cheeky 65 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: opening ceremony stunt. But less than a year later, in 66 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: March of nineteen sixty five, the Australian Swimming Union handed 67 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: down the band that still reverberates through swimming. Fraser out 68 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: for ten years. Marlene Damon copped a three year ban. 69 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: She'd only just turned fifteen, but it effectively ended a 70 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: once promising career in the pool. 71 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: So I was really keen to find out what had 72 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 3: happened to Marlene because really nothing much had been reported 73 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: about her then, which makes sense she didn't swim again 74 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 3: competitively after the age of fifteen. Some of the others 75 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: did appeal their band, some of them did swim afterwards. 76 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 3: Linda McGill, who was one of the women who tried 77 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: to board the bus became a champion long distance swimmer, 78 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: but I couldn't find any reference to Marlene Damon having 79 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 3: swum again. 80 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: Fiona went in search of Marlene Damon for a series 81 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: of articles she's written for The Australian's sixtieth anniversary celebrations. 82 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 3: So after trying to find her everywhere, I finally worked 83 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: out where she lived. I found her phone number. I 84 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 3: kept ringing her and there was no answer. I was 85 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: in Adelaide for another story, and I thought, I'm just 86 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: going to have to try and knock on her door, 87 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: which is not something I tend to do, but I 88 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 3: was really keen to get her in the story. And 89 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: I was literally in a taxi on the way to 90 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: her house when I had located her brother by chance, 91 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: who was a businessman also in Adelaide, and I'd rung 92 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 3: him and he ragged me as I was literally in 93 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: the taxi on the way to her place, and he said, yes, yes, sure, 94 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 3: I'm sure she'd be happy to talk to you. He 95 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: gave me a number, so instead of getting the taxi 96 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: to pull up outside her house, I got it to 97 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: stop at the pub nearby. I rang her and she 98 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: was just by chance at home that day, and she said, 99 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: I'd be thrilled to talk to you. I'd be really 100 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 3: happy to talk to you. And I said, oh, I'm 101 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: just in the neighborhood. So I walked down to her 102 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: house and ten minutes after I was on her front 103 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 3: balcony and we had a fantastic talk. And how do 104 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: you feel all these years later when you're watching the 105 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: Olympic Games swimming? 106 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: Oh? I love it and I enjoy it. 107 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: I feel as though, you know, you can relate very 108 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: well to it, even though it's changed a lot. It's 109 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: a much bigger event now, and. 110 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 3: She's an amazing woman who's actually lived a really positive, 111 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: fantastic life. But none of us will ever know the 112 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: true champion she could have been, because effectively that was 113 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 3: the end of her swimming career. 114 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: It's a real throwback to the days that probably haven't 115 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: really left us, where amateur sports are run by blazer 116 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: clad men who have the lives and hopes of young, 117 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: very young, quite vulnerable people who often make not very 118 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: great decisions in their hands, don't they. It's a really 119 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: tough penalty for these young women. 120 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 3: It seemed so unfair, it's so harsh for someone who 121 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: she's fifteen, And I asked her, why did you march? 122 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: And I'm not sure that she'd ever talked to a 123 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: journalist about it actually till I appeared on her doorstep 124 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: and I asked her why she marched, and she said, look, 125 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 3: sport was really amateur in those days. There weren't any 126 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: managers in the sense of having your own personal manager. 127 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: No one was plotting a path for you. All she 128 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: could see was the end of the pool. She's swimming, 129 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: She's at the Olympics, she's fourteen. She doesn't know if 130 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: she'll ever get back there again. And then months after 131 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: the Olympics, before she was banned from swimming, she did 132 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: so well in national competitions that she was being heralded 133 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 3: as the next Doorn Fraser. But she couldn't see this 134 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: future because no one was plotting her future. All she 135 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 3: knew was that her mum would drive her to swimming 136 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: every single morning. She'd swim and swim, and swim and swim, 137 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: get on with life. She got to the Olympics and 138 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: she was convinced she'd never get there again, and she 139 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: did not want to miss out on a marching an 140 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 3: Olympic opening ceremony, which I think many of us can 141 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: relate to. I mean, I still will have a dream 142 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: the marching at the Olympic ceremony, and so she did. 143 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 3: She matched because she just saw I'll never get here again. 144 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: And she was right. 145 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: She never got there again. 146 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: Coming up lessons from sixty years of Australian journalism. Subscribers 147 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: to The Australian have been first to hear these kinds 148 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: of stories for six decades, and we've come a long way. 149 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: As subscription also comes with breaking news alerts to your phone, 150 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: newsletters and special events. We'd love you to join us 151 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: at the Australian dot com dot au. We'll be back 152 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: after this break. Fiona Harari is one of the greatest 153 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: chases I've ever known. She started her journalism career as 154 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: a cadet in the Age newspaper in Melbourne and has 155 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: spent much of her career at The Australian. She's a 156 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: fast talker and a total charmer, and she wins the 157 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: trust of her subject because she's ethical and thoughtful. She 158 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: spent much of the last few months thumbing through The 159 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: Australian's huge bound archives in search of stories like the 160 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: one you heard earlier in the episode. The Australian's Deputy editor, 161 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: Petra Reese, who's leading the sixtieth anniversary coverage, said she's 162 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: convinced Fiona can track down anyone anywhere, living or dead. 163 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: Well, it's a really special series and I am so 164 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 3: thrilled with how it's turned out. The backstory to it 165 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: is quite interesting. About twenty years ago, I was asked 166 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: to do a series for every weekend called ad Lib, 167 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: where I would find a classified ad and I would 168 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: write the story behind it. 169 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: I remember this and you would. I remember you looking 170 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: through the classified you know, in either other papers or 171 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: our own papers, and finding what you thought might be 172 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: a good story. 173 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I have to say when I was asked 174 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: to do it at first, I remember thinking this is 175 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: a really stupid idea work, but I'll try it, and 176 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 3: it turned out to be incredibly rewarding. So I'd find 177 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: these little ads and i'd ring the number up, And 178 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: the way I like to describe it often is I 179 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 3: might ring someone up who was advertising goats, and I'd say, Hi, 180 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: I'm ringing about your ad for the goats, and they'd go, oh, 181 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: do you want to buy the goats. Ok no, actually, 182 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: I'm a journalist at The Australian and anyway start chatting 183 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: to them, and very often, from something as obscure as 184 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 3: someone selling goats, you might end up with a story 185 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 3: about a tragedy in that family, or a really funny 186 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: story about something else. You just never knew where it went. 187 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: But very often the ad led to something entirely differently, 188 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 3: So some of the editors at The Australian decided for 189 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: the sixtieth clearly I could find people from ads. I 190 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: could find people who had been involved in previous news stories, 191 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: which is a great idea, except that when we had 192 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: lots of ads around the newspapers in those days came 193 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: with phone numbers and I was charged with finding one 194 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: new story for every decade the Australian's been published news 195 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: story that we had run, and then finding out what 196 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 3: happened next. 197 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: The Front team sits not too far from Fionna in 198 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: The Australian's Sydney newsroom. For months we've heard her on 199 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: the phone in search of the people who appeared in 200 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: the pages years and even decades ago. 201 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: Very often what I did was google these people to 202 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: see if anything had been written about them, and the 203 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: second thing I did was to find out if they 204 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: were still alive, and as you can imagine, many people 205 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: weren't after fifty or sixty years. So then I would 206 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 3: try and find the people. Very often, as you can imagine, 207 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: from the fifties and sixties, they had incredibly common Anglo names, 208 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: people moved states. And then if I did finally find them, 209 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 3: which could take literally weeks to find people, and I 210 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: was not going to give up on any of them, 211 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: sometimes they would not want to talk, and I found 212 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: that mostly that was where there were a story that 213 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: had something to do with medicine, or there was a 214 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 3: sort of a medical backing to a story, so it 215 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 3: might be the first person through whatever treatment in at 216 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: or transplant recipients, et cetera. They were the ones who 217 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: tended not to want to talk. And I think that's 218 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: fair enough. But every time I got to a dead 219 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: end with someone who was no longer alive or didn't 220 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: want to talk, I actually ended up with a better 221 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: story anyway. So that was quite good because I was 222 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: not going to give up on any of these stories. 223 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: It was the trusty landline that yielded the best results. 224 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: In Fiona's search. 225 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: I have to say, after all these years of working, 226 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 3: I was so determined to find these people by the 227 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: end of it. So you know, you can scour all 228 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: sorts of records online. There's nothing as good as a 229 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: phone book. People forget some people, particularly for older people, 230 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: are still listed in phone books. There's lots of records 231 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 3: you can access, but you still won't necessarily be able 232 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 3: to contact the people because you actually need an email 233 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 3: adress or particularly a good old fashioned phone number is 234 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: going to put you in touch most rapidly with people 235 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: these days. 236 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: Do you find Facebook useful ish. 237 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: Yes, sort of. I mean I did reach out to 238 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 3: some people through there, But interestingly I look the other 239 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: day and the few people that I did reach out 240 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 3: to through Facebook who I've subsequently interviewed, not one of 241 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: them has actually seen my Facebook message. Yes, so I'm 242 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: not so sure that it's that useful maybe for different demographics, 243 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: for younger people who are on it all the time, 244 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 3: although there were some younger people in this story and 245 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 3: they didn't reply to the Facebook messages either. 246 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: I think Facebook's now for old people they didn't reply. 247 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's well. 248 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: This exercise in reflection has been as illuminating for Fiona, 249 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,119 Speaker 1: as we hope it will be for readers of The Australian. 250 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: What have you observed about the way journalism and the 251 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: Australian have changed in those years. 252 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: What I was really amazed about is how little the 253 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: news has changed. I think we all feel at the 254 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: moment that the world is spinning slightly off its axes, 255 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: but in fact there was a similar mix of stories 256 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 3: often in the paper about difficulties and wars in the 257 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 3: Middle East and in Europe and people being on edge. 258 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: That was the one thing that really struck me, and 259 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 3: obviously as degrees of seriousness, but the same issues have 260 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 3: been around I think for a long time. There are 261 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: a lot more human interest stories. I felt back in 262 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 3: the fifties and sixties, coverage of women was a whole 263 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: other world. I mean, there are obviously a lot more 264 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: firsts that were being recognized. You know, there was the 265 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: first Aboriginal woman to be a social worker, for example. 266 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: There are a lot more first because we're obviously a 267 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: much younger nation sixty years ago than we are now. 268 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: But it was the sameness of a lot of news 269 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: that really I found quite interesting. 270 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: Fiona Harari is a writer with the Weekend Australian magazine. 271 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: You can read her reflections on the australians past six 272 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: decades every week for the next six weeks, in the 273 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: paper and online at the Australian dot com. Dou