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Speaker 1: Approache Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle Coumments, and in this episode I speak with Zultan,

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Speaker 2: a former dorman who rose through Melbourne's deep underworld.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm not the best fighter in the world. There's

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Speaker 1: always someone better than you, bro, But you know that

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Speaker 1: back then you had to know how to go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because men were men. Yeah, men were men. How strict

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Speaker 1: were you on the door? Good question depends who you

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Speaker 1: gave me in handshake with a with one hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: nine a bag of bogush sugar. They were trying to

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Speaker 1: convince me to tell him who it was. I said,

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Speaker 1: my exact words is god shrugg without if I'm lying?

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Speaker 1: Do you have a body bag in the back of

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Speaker 1: the thing. I don't talk to you guys. And then

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Speaker 1: when he told me, he goes, oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: your clubhouse just blew up. Thank you for coming on, bro,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate this.

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Speaker 2: I know we've been chatting for like over a twelve

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Speaker 2: months now, yeah, a bit longer. But what we'll do

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Speaker 2: is before we start off well getting into the netti

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Speaker 2: gritty of your life, let's talk about you growing up.

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Speaker 2: You know, family and first job and before you got

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Speaker 2: into the hectic life that you had.

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Speaker 1: My parents came here in nineteen fifty six, yep, after

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Speaker 1: the revolution. I'm Hungarian. So they came out after World

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Speaker 1: War Two when you know that was still occupied by Russia.

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Speaker 1: So you know, they didn't know how to speak English

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Speaker 1: and around about two hundred and forty thousand people were

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Speaker 1: fought for the independence and lost their lives after that.

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Speaker 1: So they came from a war to one country and

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Speaker 1: they came to the best country in the world. I

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Speaker 1: learned English in school, bro, so I can actually still

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Speaker 1: speak my language, you know what I mean. So it

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Speaker 1: was pretty rough and back then, what forty plus years ago,

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Speaker 1: having your name like mine and right, I copped it, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean like you copped it a bit. So you

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Speaker 1: learned from from that. You know. Is that sisters? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Or two older brothers and had a youngest sister. Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they because there seems to you like so when

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Speaker 2: you were copying it, did they copy too or is

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Speaker 2: there someone in that brother? Is this the group that

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Speaker 2: was a bit more didn't give a shit? Ilst brother

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Speaker 2: he actually did step up for me a fair bit.

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Speaker 2: But actual dad dad, he was pretty violent bro, You

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, he was pretty violent. I don't

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Speaker 2: remember much of it. I was a bit young, but

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Speaker 2: Mum copped a lot of it. And you know what,

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Speaker 2: that's weird that you say that about the wolves that

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Speaker 2: come over he had, Yeah, because the.

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Speaker 1: Fathers were always very strict. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And it was just a way of life. Yeah. Look,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a different generation, bro, like how it is

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Speaker 1: now to Australia to form our age group. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the transition of men is massive from what it used

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Speaker 1: to be to what it is now. We're going through

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Speaker 1: a massive transition. But going back to that, bro, like

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Speaker 1: you know, and got bullied and picked on it fair bit.

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Speaker 1: So eventually by the age of fourteen, when enough's enough,

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Speaker 1: I started, I said to mamullied just the name of Zalton.

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Speaker 1: It's like now I grew into it. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: Sultana and Sultan and the and then dude, where's my car?

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Speaker 1: Came in and then I copped it with that. But

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Speaker 1: that was later on. But it's just idiotic stuff. But

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Speaker 1: as you get to you know, a certain age, you

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Speaker 1: just water off a duck's back. It's just like whatever

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Speaker 1: that's the best you got. Like seriously, it's quite pathetic.

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Speaker 2: But back then, when you're in school being that age,

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Speaker 2: kids follow kids. So if they see that you're getting

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Speaker 2: picked on, the rest pick on you.

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Speaker 1: Like my mom, she's you know, Eastern Block European. She

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Speaker 1: sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger, but a woman, and she's hectic bro.

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Speaker 1: She's been arrested before, you know what I mean. She's

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Speaker 1: she's hectic bro. If she was a man, she would

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Speaker 1: run Australia. She's hectic bro. She would even say when

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Speaker 1: she sees the boys and she will say, there they

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Speaker 1: are the dogs, like full on and the like. But

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Speaker 1: she's an artist, a beautiful house and just just doesn't

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Speaker 1: like authority, you know what I mean. This is quite yeah.

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Speaker 1: We were dictated for just quite a bit and they

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Speaker 1: don't like it. But mum's hectic man, and dad was

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Speaker 1: full on and there was always something kicking off, you

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Speaker 1: but it was full on Eastern Bloc Europeans. But they

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Speaker 2: They're just were you living in a in a suburb

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, we were in Danny Noong, So I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you know much about it. It's sort of

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Speaker 1: danning on from Melbourne. It's sort of. It was a

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Speaker 1: melting pot of Greeks, Italians, Yugoslavs, Hungarians and just a

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Speaker 1: lot of the Europeans that came together. And then slowly,

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Speaker 1: slowly it just a lot of the Sudanese came. But

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Speaker 1: at that time I relocated. I bought a house in

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Speaker 1: Danny South, so I was with the Albanians. So the

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Speaker 1: Albanians are pretty hectic, you know what I mean, and

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Speaker 1: especially the Melbourne ones. Yeah, and piece of respect to

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Speaker 1: One thing with Albanians, if they love you, they love you.

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Speaker 1: And if someone messages with you, they'll come mate, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they don't muck around. Albanian's I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be and yeah. So yeah, and we started training, doing

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Speaker 1: then it escalated to everyone who ever picked on me,

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Speaker 1: I just made up for that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And I could be the confidence when you started doing

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Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff by bodybuilding and all like that.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it did because I grew fairly quick. Poor

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Speaker 1: mum was single mom by that time, and I just

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Speaker 1: ate everything, you know what I mean. She just stop

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Speaker 1: eating everything. And I was just coming home from the gym,

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Speaker 1: just smashing everything.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: She would, single mom with kids, just trying to ration out,

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Speaker 1: and I should cook up all the wog food and

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Speaker 1: And what made you want to do body miilding? Good question.

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Speaker 1: It's just I think Arnold. I always inspired to Arnold.

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Speaker 1: He was the childhood hero back then, to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, and I just think that we were from

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Speaker 1: that era that remember, you know, the action hero you.

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Speaker 2: Hit your rambows, you got fat damns, you got all them.

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Speaker 1: You know. It was just that era. And you know

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Speaker 1: when I saw Commando and stuff like that, and it

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Speaker 1: to now, there's a big difference. I was big into

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Speaker 1: the I love the wrestling. I was a kid. I

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Speaker 1: was shattered when I found out it wasn't real, and

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Speaker 1: only just recently as a young lad. Bro as a

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Speaker 1: young lad. But my stepdad was trying to tell me

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Speaker 1: it's fake, it's fake, and I was like no, and

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Speaker 1: I always wanted to see Whule Cogan bro and rest

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Speaker 1: in peace. Whole Cogan had just passed away long ago,

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Speaker 1: and it was just that error. Bro. It's funny that.

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Speaker 2: Because that's that was my tene point where even though

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Speaker 2: I was like, you know, playing soccer and I was

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Speaker 2: both built like that. That turned me to go to

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Speaker 2: do weights because of the watching the Warrior and watching

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Speaker 2: you know, just like what the fuck.

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Speaker 1: Would man, Randy, You just think where the fuck? But

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Speaker 1: I didn't know about steroids then.

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Speaker 2: So I'm thinking, you lift weight, you eat this, You'll.

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Speaker 1: Get like that, you know what I mean. I used

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Speaker 1: to go the healthy I've been d and I just argue, going,

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Speaker 1: I need mega mass, mega mass two thousand, remember, And

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Speaker 1: then they came out with mega mass five thousand. Bro.

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Speaker 1: It was just an extra couple of scoops, that's all

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Speaker 1: brought out the frack and live it the liver. That's

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Speaker 1: dunk like you wouldn't believe. But it was just a

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Speaker 1: different generation. It was just like the amount of money

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Speaker 1: because they realized that the supplement industry has changed massively, massively, massively.

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Speaker 2: There and I look at a suppling shops and it's

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Speaker 1: There, and I used to own a supplement store. We'll

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Speaker 1: get into that. You know, had a bit of a issue.

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Speaker 1: I read that one comment, no comment, no comment. Even

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Speaker 1: Echo asked me that, and I said, no comment. You

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Speaker 2: So when did you actually know you're you're heavily into

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Speaker 2: weights in the body building. Yes, When did you think, Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's go to stage and let's put this on on stage.

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Speaker 1: It's funny you should say that because I was doing security,

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Speaker 1: a start of security by the age of eighteen. My

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Speaker 1: brother was head of security and a massive nightclub out here.

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Speaker 1: I kept saying, to give me a job, give me

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Speaker 1: to go to your course and was it a week

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Speaker 1: the casette that it was a different, different time. Now

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Speaker 1: it's what is it ten K resolution or four k

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Speaker 1: or ak whatever they got up facial recognitions, forget about it,

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Speaker 1: don't do anything. It was a different error. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: going back to what you said, by the age of twenty,

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Speaker 1: I competed, and I'll be honest with yourn. I never

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Speaker 2: Did you go into it just because of her experience

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Speaker 2: and because well I might as well do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the gym all the time? Or did you

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Speaker 1: go in for a goal? Really good question. I think

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Speaker 1: it was just because I started just growing and I

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Speaker 1: was dabbling in a little bit of stuff. It is

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Speaker 1: what it is, you know, on my open book with

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Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. Everyone is these days and everyone

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Speaker 1: And I just went, I'll give it a crack and

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Speaker 1: so I did the gym. I smoked them and then

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Speaker 1: I did the under nineties, which is probably one of

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Speaker 1: she's got she's got beautiful blond hair like a mom.

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00:21:09,001 --> 00:21:11,641
Speaker 1: She's gone dark, and she's got ear rings and all this.

427
00:21:11,921 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 1: Like I'm just like, what did your mom say? You

428
00:21:15,681 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And she just goes, and what

429
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,881
Speaker 1: did your grandparents? What did NISI say? Like, and she goes, oh,

430
00:21:20,921 --> 00:21:22,921
Speaker 1: who cares what niss he said? And all this sort

431
00:21:22,921 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 1: of stuff, and like they're very well to do and

432
00:21:25,201 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: they're just like, I go, oh, man, we've created the

433
00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:33,001
Speaker 1: seriously and she just laughs just like she's she's hectic. Man, Yeah,

434
00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:34,001
Speaker 1: she's hectic, my daughter.

435
00:21:34,761 --> 00:21:37,201
Speaker 2: Would you think because of the crash of your marriage

436
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 2: and everybody else passing away close to you, do you

437
00:21:39,921 --> 00:21:43,361
Speaker 2: think that the club scene was like a family that

438
00:21:43,441 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 2: you just lost hundred bro brotherhood.

439
00:21:47,241 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when I started working at love Mac, before

440
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,761
Speaker 1: the whole that that massive shooting that happened only left

441
00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 1: I think three or four months before that. Then I

442
00:21:58,041 --> 00:22:00,201
Speaker 1: was like, I was doing the door at Lux which

443
00:22:00,241 --> 00:22:04,961
Speaker 1: is the old viper room opposite Chasers, because I knew

444
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,481
Speaker 1: it was going to be Hey, you going, you know

445
00:22:07,521 --> 00:22:10,241
Speaker 1: what I mean? People were sort of when they see

446
00:22:10,281 --> 00:22:13,521
Speaker 1: the money machines going to. People see stuff and they

447
00:22:13,521 --> 00:22:16,721
Speaker 1: want a part of it. And Melbourne's got that. Yeah,

448
00:22:16,801 --> 00:22:19,041
Speaker 1: let's face it. I just got back from Sydney because

449
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,521
Speaker 1: I went to do the march there. Yeah, and I

450
00:22:21,561 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 1: did some videos on that and I spoke to the

451
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,961
Speaker 1: people in Sydney. I was there with a good made

452
00:22:24,961 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 1: of mindy fees are less fortunate and homeless there. I

453
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 1: said to them, I go, you guys in Sydney, you

454
00:22:30,681 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: know you're hectic proper. They go no, no, no, no, no,

455
00:22:33,481 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: they go Melbourne, you guys are fucking next level, And

456
00:22:36,281 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 1: I go, what really, Nah? I agree? We always really

457
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,001
Speaker 1: you do I agree? Really? Yeah? Well you always said

458
00:22:44,041 --> 00:22:47,321
Speaker 1: that Sydney was like because even you see the protests

459
00:22:47,321 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: because I went to that. I don't know if you

460
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,681
Speaker 1: see my videos. We don't like around a because at

461
00:22:51,681 --> 00:22:53,801
Speaker 1: the Sydney one there was nothing like that. Man.

462
00:22:54,201 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: The Melbourne to me is always kicks off. Yeah, Melbourne

463
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 2: to me's always blows Sydney away.

464
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:01,921
Speaker 1: Yeah well, oh well I was always what the other

465
00:23:01,921 --> 00:23:04,841
Speaker 1: way around? Bro. We were sitting down for a coffee

466
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,081
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and he took me around. He's

467
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: very well. He used to do the door in the

468
00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: in the Cross as well. Rick Herrera. I believe it

469
00:23:12,761 --> 00:23:16,441
Speaker 1: is and you might know him. And now he's giving

470
00:23:16,561 --> 00:23:19,721
Speaker 1: life to God and he's a man of faith and

471
00:23:19,761 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: he feeds the homeless and rough sleepers and people with

472
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: mental health issues because it's only getting worse around Australia. Bro,

473
00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 1: like the mismanagement of the powers above. You know what

474
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:32,401
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. The lad started coming there partying

475
00:23:32,721 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: and then i'd knocked off at about three. They would

476
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: have a booth and I'd go party with him, and

477
00:23:38,681 --> 00:23:41,481
Speaker 1: then it all started there. See that's funny, that's what

478
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,081
Speaker 1: it all started. And when you're the head doors selected,

479
00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:47,681
Speaker 1: bro and in the most hectic you're the head doors

480
00:23:47,681 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 1: select And I always made sure I dressed really good

481
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: because it's chopple streets right next to it. And we

482
00:23:54,001 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: had it round about. It was myself and then they

483
00:23:56,441 --> 00:24:00,321
Speaker 1: ran about eight or nine guys on the door, and

484
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,041
Speaker 1: most of them were more on tongue or lebows, and

485
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,441
Speaker 1: they all can going man, you know, I mean they

486
00:24:06,481 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: all go hard. So I guess there you go, like,

487
00:24:11,321 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, why do you need nine guys on the

488
00:24:13,201 --> 00:24:18,041
Speaker 1: door plus myself as a doors selector. But it's a presence, yeah, see,

489
00:24:18,481 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: and it used to look at it. It's been shot

490
00:24:21,201 --> 00:24:24,841
Speaker 1: up twice almost I think another thing happened again. I'm

491
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,441
Speaker 1: surprised they've still got their the license. Yeah, I don't

492
00:24:27,441 --> 00:24:32,001
Speaker 1: know a bit of a bit of the comment, a

493
00:24:32,001 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: little bit of what's doing and that, you know what

494
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,481
Speaker 1: I mean, I can, but I cannot. I can understand

495
00:24:36,521 --> 00:24:37,001
Speaker 1: what you know.

496
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,041
Speaker 2: As I said to you, that's why I thought, that's

497
00:24:39,041 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: why you went down the club, see, because of your presence.

498
00:24:41,721 --> 00:24:43,881
Speaker 2: And then I did hear that you did a lot

499
00:24:43,921 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: of partying in and that's that's how No, but that

500
00:24:47,321 --> 00:24:50,001
Speaker 2: that's you know what before I started working for who

501
00:24:50,001 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: I started working for. I hung around with another club

502
00:24:53,281 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: and that's what used to happen. I used to look

503
00:24:54,801 --> 00:24:57,641
Speaker 2: after one of the one of the biggest clubs in Sydney.

504
00:24:57,681 --> 00:24:59,521
Speaker 2: They come down week in week out, they make you

505
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,041
Speaker 2: feel good. Then you go out with them a party, party,

506
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: and then you see what their life's like and you go, oh,

507
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: I want a.

508
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,801
Speaker 1: Bit of this bro. I was renowned for partying. I

509
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: used to love it. Always was a party boy, and you're.

510
00:25:09,801 --> 00:25:12,801
Speaker 2: Their ticket to get into any venue because people know you,

511
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,441
Speaker 2: so if they want to go to another venue, you're

512
00:25:14,481 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 2: the ticket.

513
00:25:15,721 --> 00:25:18,801
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it was just like and I love the book.

514
00:25:18,801 --> 00:25:22,641
Speaker 1: I only just seen them recently at Spanion's event when

515
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,281
Speaker 1: he opened the KapS. Yeah, and they were all there

516
00:25:25,281 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: and I hadn't seen them for two years because I

517
00:25:27,561 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: was inside for two years. We'll go down that and

518
00:25:29,441 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: I was on NA. They've been following me on social

519
00:25:32,761 --> 00:25:34,881
Speaker 1: and they see and I've been working with the less fortunate,

520
00:25:34,961 --> 00:25:37,761
Speaker 1: feeding the homeless, rough sleepers, and I've been doing some

521
00:25:37,801 --> 00:25:41,041
Speaker 1: stuff with MPs now and they know about my past,

522
00:25:41,041 --> 00:25:43,001
Speaker 1: but they go, look, you know, you're trying your best

523
00:25:43,001 --> 00:25:45,041
Speaker 1: to be a better man and a girl about it,

524
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,321
Speaker 1: because once I got out, I got baptized and gave

525
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: my life to God and Jesus. And it's just you know,

526
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,881
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I got a halo over my head,

527
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,081
Speaker 1: but it just gives you some more inner peace, bro,

528
00:25:55,241 --> 00:25:57,681
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, I think everyone's lost

529
00:25:57,681 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 1: their way so much. The world's changed so much because

530
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,121
Speaker 1: a lot of people have turned away from it and

531
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: everyone's for themselves when we used to look after one another.

532
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,441
Speaker 1: You've seen what's happened in the last ten twenty years.

533
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,481
Speaker 1: It's what are we going to see in the next

534
00:26:13,481 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: ten years. I thought, that's why I feel for my

535
00:26:15,441 --> 00:26:17,561
Speaker 1: kids growing up. And you know, the sad thing is

536
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,521
Speaker 1: everyone saying that we didn't realize how good we had it.

537
00:26:21,281 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: Like I watched your podcast with that guy when you

538
00:26:23,481 --> 00:26:27,761
Speaker 1: were walking through Sydney, bro King's Cross was hectic. The

539
00:26:27,801 --> 00:26:30,921
Speaker 1: first time I went to King's Cross, my brother, older

540
00:26:30,921 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: brother used to live in Sydney, and he goes, oh,

541
00:26:33,561 --> 00:26:35,201
Speaker 1: we're going to King's Cross and you know, the Coca

542
00:26:35,201 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: Cola sign and stuff like that, and there was working

543
00:26:37,521 --> 00:26:40,881
Speaker 1: girls everywhere. I was fourteen, bro, and this one one

544
00:26:40,921 --> 00:26:43,321
Speaker 1: of them goes to me, hello, there and I go o,

545
00:26:43,441 --> 00:26:46,281
Speaker 1: hi like this and she goes, the oven is hot.

546
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: I was fourteen, man, I was a virgin. I didn't

547
00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: know it. And my brother's pissed himself laughing. I go,

548
00:26:52,921 --> 00:26:57,521
Speaker 1: what does that mean? He goes, you don't want to know? Well,

549
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: and they're all laughing at me. Yeah, but it was

550
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,041
Speaker 1: a different world. It was a different world. But King's

551
00:27:03,041 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: Cross was hectic, man, And it's in this paran it was.

552
00:27:06,961 --> 00:27:09,601
Speaker 1: You survived that. It was hectic.

553
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,521
Speaker 2: But now it, as I said, they will never you'll

554
00:27:11,561 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: never get that vibe back. And then it's all finished.

555
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: And even Sydney's nightlife is finished.

556
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,001
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, album is as well. You

557
00:27:17,001 --> 00:27:19,561
Speaker 1: go down Chapel Street is a disaster now.

558
00:27:20,201 --> 00:27:22,561
Speaker 2: You say, but you see you say that, But I

559
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,441
Speaker 2: come up here and see different, really see I see

560
00:27:25,441 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: something that Sydney hasn't got and use it.

561
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,001
Speaker 1: It's just busy, busy busy here, you know what I mean.

562
00:27:30,041 --> 00:27:31,921
Speaker 2: I just see people are our clubs lying and opt

563
00:27:31,921 --> 00:27:34,961
Speaker 2: to go places, venues, events. It's like Fox. Sydney doesn't

564
00:27:34,961 --> 00:27:37,481
Speaker 2: not that anymore. It's just fucking dead.

565
00:27:37,801 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Even I saw with your video and even Spanion

566
00:27:41,241 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: did a walk through and I was just like, like nothing.

567
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: I remember once I was there for Darling Harbor the

568
00:27:48,001 --> 00:27:50,041
Speaker 1: FILEX and I went out partying. I was meant to

569
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: go to the boot. I was on the booth the

570
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,761
Speaker 1: next day. I went straight from the booth buckled to

571
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: the booth and on a Sunday, and I was like,

572
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: is it Dragonfly? Oh mate? You know, yeah, that was hectic.

573
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: They used to go off. I loved it top so

574
00:28:05,241 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: I was fucking nuts. Yeah, it was mad. Dragonfly was

575
00:28:08,241 --> 00:28:11,921
Speaker 1: Dragonflies wasn't. And then I got out and went Eventually

576
00:28:11,961 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: I went up, dude, I'm going to go back to

577
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: the apartment and just have a shower, not smell like

578
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: futrid and then you have a shower of Chucks and

579
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,721
Speaker 1: clothes on. And yeah that was That was a not

580
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,761
Speaker 1: But when I went to the taxi and I was

581
00:28:24,761 --> 00:28:26,681
Speaker 1: talking to one of my good mates, Paul, yeah because

582
00:28:26,681 --> 00:28:29,281
Speaker 1: he yeah, he's one of my best friends, and I said,

583
00:28:29,321 --> 00:28:31,241
Speaker 1: I walked out and it was like a war zone.

584
00:28:31,681 --> 00:28:34,321
Speaker 1: I've never seen like King's Cross, Like there was just

585
00:28:34,481 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: it was probably like three point thirty four five in

586
00:28:36,921 --> 00:28:40,121
Speaker 1: the morning, jumping in a cab. I was just just

587
00:28:40,161 --> 00:28:44,161
Speaker 1: going off to seven in the morning. Yeah, my hectic yeah, yeah,

588
00:28:44,201 --> 00:28:46,281
Speaker 1: going off. Yeah, it was just like I was like,

589
00:28:46,921 --> 00:28:48,801
Speaker 1: I need to get out of you. It was it

590
00:28:48,881 --> 00:28:50,001
Speaker 1: was pretty pretty for long.

591
00:28:50,201 --> 00:28:52,921
Speaker 2: Do you think if if you were now young and

592
00:28:52,961 --> 00:28:54,801
Speaker 2: you wouldn'taste to join the clips he now would you?

593
00:28:56,601 --> 00:28:59,001
Speaker 1: It's not what it used to be. Like I say,

594
00:28:59,081 --> 00:29:01,361
Speaker 1: you know, when I was sorry, would you even do

595
00:29:01,361 --> 00:29:06,001
Speaker 1: a door work now? Yeah? Nah? Nah. I live in

596
00:29:06,001 --> 00:29:08,001
Speaker 1: the country town now, man. I do a little bit

597
00:29:08,001 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: of RSA stuff there. Yeah. And I've moved like it

598
00:29:12,321 --> 00:29:14,441
Speaker 1: takes me an hour and a half to get back.

599
00:29:14,601 --> 00:29:17,761
Speaker 1: I live out in yeah, kipps Land. I just moved

600
00:29:17,801 --> 00:29:20,601
Speaker 1: away from here. I just want to simplify my life. Man.

601
00:29:20,801 --> 00:29:25,601
Speaker 1: I go fishing, hunting, for driving and just out there.

602
00:29:25,721 --> 00:29:29,281
Speaker 1: It's just beautiful. Man. Where I live it's gorgeous. And

603
00:29:29,321 --> 00:29:31,801
Speaker 1: then US State, it's just I wanted to go there

604
00:29:31,881 --> 00:29:36,521
Speaker 1: and something fresh and new, and it's just I live

605
00:29:36,641 --> 00:29:40,481
Speaker 1: like now, it's from from the snow. It's about thirty

606
00:29:40,521 --> 00:29:43,081
Speaker 1: five minutes to get to the mountain, so it's quite

607
00:29:43,081 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: cold there, but it's just beautiful, man, I love it.

608
00:29:45,761 --> 00:29:47,961
Speaker 1: I just want to get away from the madness if

609
00:29:47,961 --> 00:29:49,521
Speaker 1: that makes it. How strict were you on the door.

610
00:29:50,041 --> 00:29:52,881
Speaker 1: Good question depends who gave me a handshake with a

611
00:29:54,041 --> 00:29:56,321
Speaker 1: with a one hundred dollars and a bag of boogersh sugar.

612
00:29:58,041 --> 00:30:00,801
Speaker 1: That did happen, I'll be honest with you, because some

613
00:30:00,841 --> 00:30:04,921
Speaker 1: of the people from Sydney used to rock up certain families. Yeah,

614
00:30:05,401 --> 00:30:07,881
Speaker 1: and I ended up partying with him, So I would never.

615
00:30:07,961 --> 00:30:10,521
Speaker 1: I would never. You never got into the party scene.

616
00:30:10,561 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: Did you know?

617
00:30:11,081 --> 00:30:12,721
Speaker 2: I was in the party scene? But I would never.

618
00:30:13,161 --> 00:30:15,281
Speaker 2: If I worked, I worked and went home. I would

619
00:30:15,321 --> 00:30:17,801
Speaker 2: party with the dormant on a Sunday when we were working.

620
00:30:17,881 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: That's why that was our mates. I couldn't help myself.

621
00:30:20,481 --> 00:30:23,321
Speaker 1: I would never go out. I just because they were

622
00:30:23,401 --> 00:30:26,761
Speaker 1: rocking up in rolls, Royces and Lambeaus and stuff like that.

623
00:30:26,841 --> 00:30:30,161
Speaker 1: And then there's obviously general, there's v P and then

624
00:30:30,201 --> 00:30:34,401
Speaker 1: there's straight through and you know when you you know,

625
00:30:34,521 --> 00:30:37,281
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you, it's just and especially

626
00:30:37,321 --> 00:30:39,601
Speaker 1: when you're doing that like the girls, and then you

627
00:30:39,721 --> 00:30:42,961
Speaker 1: got your what do they call the promoters and all

628
00:30:43,001 --> 00:30:45,401
Speaker 1: this and you have to get to know everything anything

629
00:30:45,481 --> 00:30:48,321
Speaker 1: everyone and who's who in the zoo and stuff like that,

630
00:30:48,361 --> 00:30:50,321
Speaker 1: and all the good looking girls all want to know you,

631
00:30:50,681 --> 00:30:52,601
Speaker 1: and then the DJs end up knowing you, and then

632
00:30:52,641 --> 00:30:54,841
Speaker 1: it's like you're in the scene and it's like it's

633
00:30:54,921 --> 00:30:57,801
Speaker 1: other world. Man, you have a world, isn't it to me?

634
00:30:58,041 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: Open doors for you? But there's a few times I

635
00:31:02,321 --> 00:31:04,601
Speaker 1: lost the plot, like people are trying to you know,

636
00:31:05,241 --> 00:31:07,121
Speaker 1: especially because when they're off their heads as well and

637
00:31:07,121 --> 00:31:09,641
Speaker 1: they're coming up and you're straight. I'd never ever touch

638
00:31:09,721 --> 00:31:12,841
Speaker 1: anything while I was working. That was my rule always,

639
00:31:13,241 --> 00:31:15,081
Speaker 1: you know, just water, that's it, and a bit of

640
00:31:15,081 --> 00:31:18,281
Speaker 1: food whatever. So you want to be a head clear

641
00:31:18,681 --> 00:31:22,561
Speaker 1: because everyone starts to think they're more important than everyone else.

642
00:31:23,121 --> 00:31:25,121
Speaker 1: And i'mp how come I'm not.

643
00:31:25,201 --> 00:31:26,561
Speaker 2: But a lot of them used to think that just

644
00:31:26,601 --> 00:31:28,561
Speaker 2: because they see you every week that you're meet.

645
00:31:28,761 --> 00:31:30,721
Speaker 1: I know, I know, and I try and be a

646
00:31:30,801 --> 00:31:32,801
Speaker 1: nice guy, and I can see that with you. You know,

647
00:31:32,841 --> 00:31:34,481
Speaker 1: I've watched your videos and stuff like that. I can

648
00:31:34,521 --> 00:31:37,881
Speaker 1: see you're a good, genuine person. But then when you

649
00:31:37,921 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: want to go off, sometimes you scare yourself. True, I know,

650
00:31:42,561 --> 00:31:47,321
Speaker 1: I can tell by that last Yeah, I know, I know.

651
00:31:47,481 --> 00:31:50,161
Speaker 1: But you try and be nice and respectful the people.

652
00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:53,041
Speaker 1: But sometimes in this world, it's like I said to

653
00:31:53,121 --> 00:31:56,081
Speaker 1: you prior to the people are weird. What's the worst

654
00:31:56,081 --> 00:31:57,561
Speaker 1: thing you ever came up against? Some on the door.

655
00:31:59,041 --> 00:32:01,601
Speaker 1: I had to go to give evidence at a murder

656
00:32:01,641 --> 00:32:05,601
Speaker 1: troll on the door. No, when I was at the

657
00:32:05,601 --> 00:32:08,801
Speaker 1: Strip club in Dan and some guy I got some

658
00:32:08,921 --> 00:32:12,401
Speaker 1: insday and I had to So some guy supposed we

659
00:32:12,521 --> 00:32:14,801
Speaker 1: just got out of prison. I seen him walking up

660
00:32:14,841 --> 00:32:18,041
Speaker 1: the alleyway and he had a goon bag and he's

661
00:32:18,321 --> 00:32:20,321
Speaker 1: drinking it and then he tucked it under the cars.

662
00:32:20,441 --> 00:32:23,401
Speaker 1: He came up and me and one of my best friends. Well,

663
00:32:23,561 --> 00:32:25,121
Speaker 1: you know, it was a Wednesday night. We're just having

664
00:32:25,121 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: a pizza and whatnot. And long story short, he just

665
00:32:28,441 --> 00:32:30,681
Speaker 1: got out of prison, had to argue with his missus

666
00:32:31,001 --> 00:32:32,481
Speaker 1: and he wanted to come out. I said, look a

667
00:32:32,521 --> 00:32:35,081
Speaker 1: bit too drunk, and he goes, oh cool, you know,

668
00:32:35,321 --> 00:32:38,361
Speaker 1: and he saw we were bigger guys and we'll spoke

669
00:32:38,361 --> 00:32:40,041
Speaker 1: to him nice. He was seemed nice. He was seemed

670
00:32:40,041 --> 00:32:42,361
Speaker 1: really good, right. I said to him, go get a

671
00:32:42,361 --> 00:32:45,721
Speaker 1: feed at KFC, come back and you can come in.

672
00:32:46,481 --> 00:32:50,121
Speaker 1: He never came back, but then detectives next week came

673
00:32:50,161 --> 00:32:53,961
Speaker 1: in and to get footage and whatnot. Supposedly he went there,

674
00:32:54,041 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: went and played pool and went to a train station,

675
00:32:56,641 --> 00:32:59,761
Speaker 1: had an argument with a guy. They had an altercation,

676
00:33:00,041 --> 00:33:02,081
Speaker 1: hit him and he fell off the train station and

677
00:33:02,121 --> 00:33:05,841
Speaker 1: he did so I got called in for them. But

678
00:33:06,001 --> 00:33:08,881
Speaker 1: the real when I went to the Supreme Court, you

679
00:33:08,921 --> 00:33:11,841
Speaker 1: want to hear something crazy. So the taxi driver we got,

680
00:33:11,961 --> 00:33:14,881
Speaker 1: I got called in again and a taxi driver. I'm

681
00:33:14,881 --> 00:33:16,801
Speaker 1: shipped with names or I'll never forget a face. You know,

682
00:33:16,841 --> 00:33:19,001
Speaker 1: when you do the door, that's your thing. Your face

683
00:33:19,041 --> 00:33:22,401
Speaker 1: is the thing. We were the old school facial facial recognition.

684
00:33:22,641 --> 00:33:26,521
Speaker 1: Remember people used to line up and line them. Seriously, Man,

685
00:33:26,561 --> 00:33:31,161
Speaker 1: I already I told you fucking with names for faces forgot. Yeah,

686
00:33:31,161 --> 00:33:32,921
Speaker 1: that's why we did the door. That was our thing,

687
00:33:33,081 --> 00:33:35,321
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And you know yourself that

688
00:33:35,961 --> 00:33:38,401
Speaker 1: your job beyond the door is to stop the crap

689
00:33:38,441 --> 00:33:40,721
Speaker 1: from coming in so the boys don't have to deal

690
00:33:40,761 --> 00:33:43,201
Speaker 1: with it as much. It's sometimes it's going to kick off,

691
00:33:43,241 --> 00:33:45,601
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. But so we're in

692
00:33:45,681 --> 00:33:49,641
Speaker 1: Supreme Court and I'm looking at the guy and I

693
00:33:49,641 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: said to the taxi driver, that's not the guy. He goes, no,

694
00:33:53,561 --> 00:33:57,761
Speaker 1: it's not. And then we're sitting there, detective comes over

695
00:33:58,681 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: and I said, he goes, you guys are ready to

696
00:34:00,761 --> 00:34:02,721
Speaker 1: do your thing. I said, mate, that's not the guy

697
00:34:02,961 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: they came to the door that night. He was more

698
00:34:05,241 --> 00:34:07,681
Speaker 1: of an ousie looking guy the guy that they had.

699
00:34:08,521 --> 00:34:10,921
Speaker 1: Because we walked in, we were sitting down. I saw him.

700
00:34:10,921 --> 00:34:13,921
Speaker 1: He was in the box. Yeah, he was some Arab

701
00:34:13,961 --> 00:34:16,281
Speaker 1: looking guy. I said to the taxi driver. He goes,

702
00:34:16,641 --> 00:34:18,641
Speaker 1: He goes, oh, I can't remember. I said, mate, you

703
00:34:18,761 --> 00:34:21,201
Speaker 1: just said to me before that it's it was the

704
00:34:21,321 --> 00:34:25,161
Speaker 1: Indian bloke. This this is a murder trial. He's looking

705
00:34:25,201 --> 00:34:29,401
Speaker 1: at twenty plus. You gotta know. Yeah, And I said

706
00:34:29,721 --> 00:34:32,201
Speaker 1: I told him, and they and the ding he turned

707
00:34:32,241 --> 00:34:34,401
Speaker 1: on me. I go, mate, I'm not going to just

708
00:34:34,401 --> 00:34:36,681
Speaker 1: sit there and say that was a fucking guy he came,

709
00:34:36,721 --> 00:34:39,121
Speaker 1: because it's not the guy he came. They just wanted

710
00:34:39,161 --> 00:34:42,801
Speaker 1: the pinch, no comment, you know, that's how they operate.

711
00:34:42,841 --> 00:34:44,361
Speaker 1: And I was just like, and then he goes, oh,

712
00:34:44,361 --> 00:34:46,201
Speaker 1: he told me to piss off and stuff. I said, cool,

713
00:34:46,241 --> 00:34:48,121
Speaker 1: I'm not going to stand there and say that's a

714
00:34:48,161 --> 00:34:50,081
Speaker 1: man's life on the line. That's not the guy he

715
00:34:50,201 --> 00:34:52,081
Speaker 1: was there. That's how I am. I don't care who

716
00:34:52,121 --> 00:34:54,321
Speaker 1: it is. I don't care. I'm not going to lie

717
00:34:54,881 --> 00:34:59,041
Speaker 1: just so they went in the end, I assume so

718
00:34:59,521 --> 00:35:03,241
Speaker 1: far they kicked this out. Oh really, as in me

719
00:35:03,361 --> 00:35:06,841
Speaker 1: and the taxi driver, because they know the defense would

720
00:35:06,841 --> 00:35:10,361
Speaker 1: have would have said to us, well, poor role might

721
00:35:10,441 --> 00:35:13,601
Speaker 1: probably only just getting in. Now, Wow, what's that? What's

722
00:35:13,601 --> 00:35:14,121
Speaker 1: the funniest thing?

723
00:35:14,161 --> 00:35:16,881
Speaker 2: If you ever come across on the door, what's someone

724
00:35:17,361 --> 00:35:19,281
Speaker 2: E don't that's the most weirdest thing.

725
00:35:19,401 --> 00:35:21,521
Speaker 1: So just recently I had to feel in a shift.

726
00:35:22,601 --> 00:35:25,881
Speaker 1: Some woman was standing next to me and she you know,

727
00:35:26,001 --> 00:35:29,201
Speaker 1: some women sometimes rub their breast on your arms when

728
00:35:29,201 --> 00:35:35,761
Speaker 1: they're not that lucky bro. So somebody I'm not saying, mate,

729
00:35:36,641 --> 00:35:38,801
Speaker 1: he was with me on that day, and he will

730
00:35:39,041 --> 00:35:42,841
Speaker 1: justify and saying he knows, yeah, you can't miss him.

731
00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:46,241
Speaker 1: He's like, oh my six foot eight, Yeah, he's a behemoth.

732
00:35:46,721 --> 00:35:49,281
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, well, sorry about that, and she goes,

733
00:35:49,321 --> 00:35:51,801
Speaker 1: oh no, I just had my thing. I was done.

734
00:35:51,961 --> 00:35:54,161
Speaker 1: I said, oh, yeah, cool, and she goes, I go, oh,

735
00:35:54,241 --> 00:35:57,161
Speaker 1: silicon or sailine. She goes, oh silicon. She goes, oh,

736
00:35:57,281 --> 00:35:58,761
Speaker 1: do you want to have a look, And I said

737
00:35:59,121 --> 00:36:01,601
Speaker 1: I just went, you know, yeah, yeah what I didn't think.

738
00:36:01,641 --> 00:36:05,521
Speaker 1: She just goes and I went, okay, cool. Out of

739
00:36:05,601 --> 00:36:07,641
Speaker 1: the door. And that was only like a couple of

740
00:36:07,681 --> 00:36:11,121
Speaker 1: months ago. Yeah, I was just helping out and then

741
00:36:11,161 --> 00:36:13,481
Speaker 1: all the boys go what and the manager runs upstairs

742
00:36:13,561 --> 00:36:18,401
Speaker 1: to go back and look at the I'm serious. But

743
00:36:19,641 --> 00:36:21,681
Speaker 1: there was on Sint Kilda. There was this guy at

744
00:36:21,681 --> 00:36:25,001
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning. Sink Kilda's like your version

745
00:36:25,081 --> 00:36:27,881
Speaker 1: of what like her No no, no, as in King's Cross.

746
00:36:28,201 --> 00:36:30,921
Speaker 1: Think Kilda's like kings Cross it used to be, but

747
00:36:31,041 --> 00:36:33,001
Speaker 1: not as hectic as King's Ross. I don't believe. So

748
00:36:33,321 --> 00:36:34,881
Speaker 1: this guy, he was a weird guy and he used

749
00:36:34,881 --> 00:36:37,801
Speaker 1: to come out with a uku lately and a cape

750
00:36:38,281 --> 00:36:40,681
Speaker 1: and it was really hairy and he looked like Ron Jeremy.

751
00:36:41,241 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: So I was just like, and you see some real

752
00:36:44,001 --> 00:36:47,681
Speaker 1: cook stuff. And it was always came out three o'clock

753
00:36:47,681 --> 00:36:49,961
Speaker 1: in the morning. It was like a Michael Mark before

754
00:36:49,961 --> 00:36:51,721
Speaker 1: it was like Michael Jackson.

755
00:36:54,081 --> 00:36:56,681
Speaker 2: Let's let's talk about someone who I didn't like your

756
00:36:56,681 --> 00:36:58,041
Speaker 2: protein and your suppleman's shop.

757
00:36:59,161 --> 00:37:02,921
Speaker 1: Dude, I tell you so. Obviously I was in part

758
00:37:02,921 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: of my crew. A lot of the guys were hanging

759
00:37:05,561 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: around there as in my guys, and they were doing

760
00:37:08,561 --> 00:37:12,481
Speaker 1: some stuff similar to what happened. Yeah, one of the

761
00:37:12,481 --> 00:37:17,001
Speaker 1: guys said he was part owners. I own meme myself

762
00:37:17,041 --> 00:37:20,441
Speaker 1: and I yeah, but in all honesty, this is ambleshit.

763
00:37:20,681 --> 00:37:23,601
Speaker 1: They cracked the glass, poured in a bit of fuel,

764
00:37:24,521 --> 00:37:27,841
Speaker 1: three tabs of Iso pure, they went out. A date

765
00:37:27,921 --> 00:37:30,801
Speaker 1: which I used to use to hold the door open melted,

766
00:37:31,481 --> 00:37:35,761
Speaker 1: but the smoking insulation and I had bars right these

767
00:37:35,841 --> 00:37:40,881
Speaker 1: four on hectic bars. The fibrigade came down because my

768
00:37:40,921 --> 00:37:44,081
Speaker 1: security company rang me and I saw what the heck

769
00:37:44,161 --> 00:37:46,601
Speaker 1: is that on the CCT footage, I saw like just

770
00:37:46,641 --> 00:37:50,801
Speaker 1: this little flame. So basically that's all that got destroyed.

771
00:37:50,841 --> 00:37:53,081
Speaker 1: So this was on the peninsula. The media made it

772
00:37:53,081 --> 00:37:55,521
Speaker 1: there before the cops, and the cops station is around

773
00:37:55,561 --> 00:37:58,001
Speaker 1: the corner. In a whole year, meet it there before

774
00:37:58,041 --> 00:38:00,641
Speaker 1: the cops. How does that work? Fuck me? When the

775
00:38:00,681 --> 00:38:05,521
Speaker 1: police station in the VA cop car is literally around

776
00:38:05,521 --> 00:38:07,801
Speaker 1: the corner, literally around.

777
00:38:07,921 --> 00:38:09,521
Speaker 2: The coppers were waiting for it to burn down. Say

778
00:38:09,561 --> 00:38:11,321
Speaker 2: so it's not burning down yet, We're wait, that's just

779
00:38:11,441 --> 00:38:14,121
Speaker 2: lot it. Wait, we're not in a rush. Wa echo're coming.

780
00:38:14,201 --> 00:38:17,241
Speaker 2: We we know who owns it? Yeah, of course they don't, yeh.

781
00:38:17,401 --> 00:38:20,521
Speaker 2: Echo came and then that's when they raided it and

782
00:38:20,641 --> 00:38:24,001
Speaker 2: found a lot of stuff. They were trying to convince

783
00:38:24,001 --> 00:38:26,361
Speaker 2: me to tell them who it was. I said, I

784
00:38:26,361 --> 00:38:27,001
Speaker 2: don't talk.

785
00:38:26,841 --> 00:38:30,041
Speaker 1: To you guys. My exact words is God's strugg withoutf

786
00:38:30,041 --> 00:38:31,481
Speaker 1: I'm lying, do you have a body bag in the

787
00:38:31,481 --> 00:38:33,121
Speaker 1: back of the thing. I don't talk to you guys,

788
00:38:33,921 --> 00:38:36,881
Speaker 1: I said. And then when he told me, he goes, oh,

789
00:38:36,921 --> 00:38:39,761
Speaker 1: by the way, your clubhouse just blew up. My sergeant

790
00:38:39,761 --> 00:38:43,481
Speaker 1: was there. I go down there and they did yeah,

791
00:38:43,521 --> 00:38:45,761
Speaker 1: and then their car and all that sort of stuff.

792
00:38:45,801 --> 00:38:48,721
Speaker 1: But it's a former life, bro, it's a former life.

793
00:38:48,721 --> 00:38:52,521
Speaker 1: And would I do it again, No way, you know

794
00:38:52,521 --> 00:38:54,681
Speaker 1: what I mean. But things happened for a reason. But

795
00:38:54,801 --> 00:38:59,001
Speaker 1: you claimed the club ranks and I didn't even intend

796
00:38:59,041 --> 00:39:00,961
Speaker 1: to do that. I just wanted to be one of

797
00:39:01,001 --> 00:39:04,001
Speaker 1: the boys on the and I didn't even want that.

798
00:39:04,081 --> 00:39:06,201
Speaker 1: In all honesty, like to do that, you must have

799
00:39:06,281 --> 00:39:09,241
Speaker 1: some respect within the club, I guess so. Because I

800
00:39:09,281 --> 00:39:11,521
Speaker 1: was a go getter. I had a business. If the

801
00:39:11,641 --> 00:39:15,081
Speaker 1: lads were ever stuck for money, I was the one

802
00:39:15,121 --> 00:39:18,401
Speaker 1: who would pull out money if we needed something for

803
00:39:18,441 --> 00:39:21,041
Speaker 1: the clubhouse, you know. I remember we had the national run.

804
00:39:21,441 --> 00:39:24,721
Speaker 1: We had this They had this little barbecue like the

805
00:39:24,761 --> 00:39:27,601
Speaker 1: seventy nine dollars ones from Bunnings. You know, I said, man,

806
00:39:27,601 --> 00:39:29,401
Speaker 1: this is embarrassing. So I went and bought a big

807
00:39:29,441 --> 00:39:32,601
Speaker 1: one with the seven burner walk and the fucking spit

808
00:39:32,681 --> 00:39:34,921
Speaker 1: and everything. Oh man, I'm not going to be embarrassed

809
00:39:34,921 --> 00:39:37,841
Speaker 1: by this year. Then winter it was cold and we

810
00:39:37,881 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: had the rippers in there, you know, dance, and I said,

811
00:39:40,481 --> 00:39:42,321
Speaker 1: they don't want to take their gear off. It's two costs.

812
00:39:42,321 --> 00:39:44,801
Speaker 1: So I went and bought the big heaters and stuff

813
00:39:44,841 --> 00:39:46,721
Speaker 1: like that. By the end of the not everyone's in

814
00:39:46,761 --> 00:39:48,001
Speaker 1: their jocks, you know what I mean. It was that

815
00:39:48,081 --> 00:39:51,201
Speaker 1: hot in there, so you know what I mean. That's

816
00:39:51,881 --> 00:39:54,001
Speaker 1: that was me. And even if one of the guys

817
00:39:54,161 --> 00:39:57,681
Speaker 1: ended up inside, I'd go with another guy and I'd

818
00:39:57,921 --> 00:40:00,841
Speaker 1: go see their family and go give them some money

819
00:40:01,201 --> 00:40:05,681
Speaker 1: and say this is money for food, formula, nappy is whatever.

820
00:40:06,201 --> 00:40:08,681
Speaker 1: And one of the guys with me, he actually said, oh,

821
00:40:08,721 --> 00:40:11,001
Speaker 1: she's probably going to use it on you know whatever.

822
00:40:11,281 --> 00:40:14,121
Speaker 1: I said, Look, at the end of the day, while

823
00:40:14,161 --> 00:40:16,841
Speaker 1: we're calling each other brotherhood, you've done what you've had

824
00:40:16,841 --> 00:40:19,001
Speaker 1: to do. That's it. I didn't even have to do that.

825
00:40:19,081 --> 00:40:21,281
Speaker 1: I did it on my own accord. We had to

826
00:40:21,321 --> 00:40:24,401
Speaker 1: go get some stuff because we didn't want to take

827
00:40:24,441 --> 00:40:28,601
Speaker 1: it so certain memorability and whatnot, and so you know,

828
00:40:28,641 --> 00:40:30,601
Speaker 1: and I'd just give him money because she was saying,

829
00:40:30,641 --> 00:40:34,121
Speaker 1: you know, she was saying that I'm stuck, so here's

830
00:40:34,121 --> 00:40:36,761
Speaker 1: some money. Do you think do you think you were respected?

831
00:40:36,801 --> 00:40:38,921
Speaker 2: Like I know not every of a ravel club would

832
00:40:38,961 --> 00:40:42,081
Speaker 2: respect another person from the club that you are, But

833
00:40:42,121 --> 00:40:44,961
Speaker 2: do you think you had that respect you were You're

834
00:40:44,961 --> 00:40:46,601
Speaker 2: a person that you could go and talk to if there.

835
00:40:46,481 --> 00:40:50,121
Speaker 1: Was a problem. Yeah, I always said. I always said

836
00:40:50,161 --> 00:40:52,161
Speaker 1: this because I had friends from other clubs. If we

837
00:40:52,201 --> 00:40:56,081
Speaker 1: stand stood in United, we couldn't be messed with. I

838
00:40:56,081 --> 00:40:58,041
Speaker 1: don't know why we're banging on with each other a

839
00:40:58,121 --> 00:41:03,201
Speaker 1: bit stupid if we actually worked together then because one

840
00:41:03,241 --> 00:41:06,121
Speaker 1: wants more power than the other. Exactly, you know what

841
00:41:06,161 --> 00:41:06,801
Speaker 1: I mean? Exactly?

842
00:41:06,801 --> 00:41:08,921
Speaker 2: Why why have they got that? We fucking got it?

843
00:41:09,561 --> 00:41:11,601
Speaker 2: Why do they on that street? You should on that street.

844
00:41:11,761 --> 00:41:14,841
Speaker 1: It's free work and tenacity and grit and if you're

845
00:41:14,841 --> 00:41:17,841
Speaker 1: a go getter and you can do stuff and organize stuff,

846
00:41:18,161 --> 00:41:21,561
Speaker 1: some people don't have that tenacity within them. Even when

847
00:41:21,561 --> 00:41:24,401
Speaker 1: I got offered to join, I never numbed up. I

848
00:41:24,441 --> 00:41:27,321
Speaker 1: was there one night well partying hard and they just

849
00:41:27,921 --> 00:41:30,481
Speaker 1: offered me the cut. And then when there's I think

850
00:41:30,521 --> 00:41:33,081
Speaker 1: there was one hundred and twenty people there, girls, everything

851
00:41:33,121 --> 00:41:35,921
Speaker 1: like that, and everyone's going go do it, and I

852
00:41:36,001 --> 00:41:38,321
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, I was I said,

853
00:41:38,801 --> 00:41:40,881
Speaker 1: I'll just let me think about let me think about it,

854
00:41:41,161 --> 00:41:44,121
Speaker 1: and everyone just kept hassling and like you could shrub

855
00:41:44,121 --> 00:41:47,161
Speaker 1: the jacket. I didn't. It was the best jacket.

856
00:41:47,241 --> 00:41:51,161
Speaker 2: You're on the same fingers and just just give me

857
00:41:51,201 --> 00:41:51,721
Speaker 2: the jacket.

858
00:41:52,321 --> 00:41:55,241
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was probably had a couple of bags. I

859
00:41:55,281 --> 00:41:57,441
Speaker 1: was just like, and then I just didn't want to

860
00:41:57,481 --> 00:42:00,481
Speaker 1: be a party pooper. But the guys there, they were awesome.

861
00:42:00,881 --> 00:42:03,241
Speaker 1: I still know them and they're fucking great guys. Man.

862
00:42:03,841 --> 00:42:07,361
Speaker 1: They were there at the Spaniard then and they just

863
00:42:07,361 --> 00:42:09,521
Speaker 1: said to me, they go, you know, they hadn't seen

864
00:42:09,561 --> 00:42:11,001
Speaker 1: me for a while because I was on NA for

865
00:42:11,001 --> 00:42:14,681
Speaker 1: two years, and they just said, you know that they

866
00:42:14,921 --> 00:42:17,241
Speaker 1: love what I've been doing and out there with you,

867
00:42:17,401 --> 00:42:19,801
Speaker 1: feeding the you know, the less forsher of rough sleepers.

868
00:42:19,801 --> 00:42:22,761
Speaker 1: And because I had to say, the government is not

869
00:42:22,801 --> 00:42:26,081
Speaker 1: doing jack shit. Victoria used to be the most livable

870
00:42:26,081 --> 00:42:29,481
Speaker 1: city at the moment, with the crime capital it's embarrassing, man,

871
00:42:30,321 --> 00:42:33,641
Speaker 1: Like they just did that MASHETI bin thing. Yeah, I

872
00:42:33,761 --> 00:42:37,001
Speaker 1: was at thirteen fourteen meal. I spoke to a Maine

873
00:42:37,001 --> 00:42:39,321
Speaker 1: of mine who's a boiler maker. He goes, I could

874
00:42:39,321 --> 00:42:42,281
Speaker 1: do that for ten grand Someone's just pocketed the money, bro.

875
00:42:43,001 --> 00:42:46,641
Speaker 1: And then there's two young Sudanese lads. You know what happened,

876
00:42:46,681 --> 00:42:49,401
Speaker 1: And it's as a dad, as a parent, you don't

877
00:42:49,441 --> 00:42:51,921
Speaker 1: wish that on your worst enemy. Right, Well, what was

878
00:42:51,921 --> 00:42:56,961
Speaker 1: it like when you eventually went inside? That was during COVID,

879
00:42:57,001 --> 00:43:00,041
Speaker 1: Remember when we had and we had a superior overlord

880
00:43:00,841 --> 00:43:03,841
Speaker 1: and Andrews. We got locked out hard and in Melbourne

881
00:43:03,881 --> 00:43:06,041
Speaker 1: was like a like a zombie poker lips was happening.

882
00:43:06,321 --> 00:43:08,801
Speaker 1: And what killed me the most, what really killed me

883
00:43:08,881 --> 00:43:13,241
Speaker 1: the most was not being my daughter. And you know

884
00:43:13,401 --> 00:43:17,201
Speaker 1: she was very young. She's daddy's little girl, you know

885
00:43:17,241 --> 00:43:19,761
Speaker 1: what I mean, she was really daddy's little girl. And

886
00:43:20,481 --> 00:43:22,921
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, through the slot they gave me

887
00:43:22,961 --> 00:43:26,841
Speaker 1: the phone and she was screaming and crying. You know, Dad,

888
00:43:26,961 --> 00:43:29,521
Speaker 1: you know I want you home and this is that

889
00:43:29,601 --> 00:43:32,681
Speaker 1: and it brought a tear to my heart. Man, It's

890
00:43:32,521 --> 00:43:35,521
Speaker 1: just it's your baby daughter. It doesn't matter how much

891
00:43:35,561 --> 00:43:38,641
Speaker 1: of a hard person you think you are. Man, when

892
00:43:38,681 --> 00:43:41,641
Speaker 1: it's your kid, and especially a girl, it's it's hard man.

893
00:43:42,081 --> 00:43:44,841
Speaker 1: And eventually I had to give the phone back the moment.

894
00:43:44,961 --> 00:43:48,041
Speaker 1: The thing I remember my ex wife saying, because she's

895
00:43:48,081 --> 00:43:51,361
Speaker 1: ex military, she goes, Daddy needs to be the strongest

896
00:43:51,401 --> 00:43:53,641
Speaker 1: and the toughest he's ever been in his life. Now

897
00:43:53,841 --> 00:43:55,921
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's technic, it's full on.

898
00:43:57,201 --> 00:43:59,761
Speaker 1: I only did it. Yeah, but they did my DNA

899
00:43:59,801 --> 00:44:01,921
Speaker 1: and they tried to get me on stuff like that

900
00:44:02,001 --> 00:44:05,681
Speaker 1: I did like eight years ago, which they either take

901
00:44:05,721 --> 00:44:07,881
Speaker 1: your DNA or do and it was just they tried

902
00:44:07,881 --> 00:44:11,561
Speaker 1: to get me on like commercial burgs or something. I

903
00:44:11,561 --> 00:44:13,561
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, I said, I don't know what you

904
00:44:13,601 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: guys are talking about, and they just they threw it out.

905
00:44:17,521 --> 00:44:20,041
Speaker 1: And because I was doing the whole feeding the homeless

906
00:44:20,041 --> 00:44:21,921
Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff, by the time I

907
00:44:22,001 --> 00:44:24,241
Speaker 1: went to court, the judge just goes, Miss Vanuel. You

908
00:44:24,441 --> 00:44:28,001
Speaker 1: and I did the Green Collar Program, reintegration with men

909
00:44:28,041 --> 00:44:31,401
Speaker 1: and women out of incarceration. I did the program because

910
00:44:31,401 --> 00:44:33,241
Speaker 1: once you got to cr N number to get back

911
00:44:33,241 --> 00:44:36,201
Speaker 1: into the workforce, it's stupid. Yeah, how hard it is,

912
00:44:36,241 --> 00:44:39,041
Speaker 1: and that's why most guys and women who have done

913
00:44:39,121 --> 00:44:42,201
Speaker 1: time and once they got the criminal record, they're vilified.

914
00:44:42,201 --> 00:44:44,841
Speaker 1: Why did you do your time? Then no wonder they

915
00:44:44,921 --> 00:44:47,521
Speaker 1: end up doing something stupid to end up back inside

916
00:44:47,561 --> 00:44:49,681
Speaker 1: because they're going, I'm tired with this brush as a

917
00:44:49,681 --> 00:44:53,761
Speaker 1: criminal and they can't get a job. They get a

918
00:44:53,761 --> 00:44:55,841
Speaker 1: police check and stuff like that, and it's just a

919
00:44:55,921 --> 00:44:59,481
Speaker 1: vicious cycle. So then I got employed by them. It's

920
00:44:59,481 --> 00:45:02,121
Speaker 1: called the Green Collar program, and we were working with

921
00:45:02,241 --> 00:45:05,921
Speaker 1: Wise Employment in Australia, non for profit which they give

922
00:45:05,961 --> 00:45:08,321
Speaker 1: people jobs and they work with people with special needs

923
00:45:08,321 --> 00:45:10,601
Speaker 1: and stuff. So I was working in the head office. Yeah,

924
00:45:10,641 --> 00:45:12,721
Speaker 1: and I was loving it. It was awesome. It was very

925
00:45:12,761 --> 00:45:15,201
Speaker 1: taxing though, because you're working with a lot of people

926
00:45:15,241 --> 00:45:18,041
Speaker 1: with mental health substance you the worst are the worst.

927
00:45:18,521 --> 00:45:21,601
Speaker 1: And I had around about thirty five guys a month

928
00:45:21,681 --> 00:45:24,561
Speaker 1: that had to report with me and about sixteen women.

929
00:45:25,041 --> 00:45:26,841
Speaker 1: And I used to say to the women, I go, look,

930
00:45:26,881 --> 00:45:30,081
Speaker 1: you know, if you want a female, we've got a female.

931
00:45:30,081 --> 00:45:33,041
Speaker 1: They go no, no, no, And a lot of the

932
00:45:33,081 --> 00:45:36,481
Speaker 1: women with the mental health issues or substance abuse it

933
00:45:36,521 --> 00:45:39,641
Speaker 1: was from SA trauma and they would say, you know,

934
00:45:39,721 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: it's bad, uncle, brother, and it's heartbreaking. Some of these

935
00:45:45,441 --> 00:45:48,361
Speaker 1: people would rock up to an interview with one of

936
00:45:48,401 --> 00:45:52,201
Speaker 1: those twelve percent of woodstocks in their hand, like Santalink

937
00:45:52,281 --> 00:45:54,921
Speaker 1: was already fucking losing it over them. Yeah, I mean,

938
00:45:55,481 --> 00:45:58,001
Speaker 1: so I'm proud of myself. You know, I've even got

939
00:45:58,121 --> 00:46:00,961
Speaker 1: that's my little ploment I got. And but you know

940
00:46:01,001 --> 00:46:04,681
Speaker 1: what happened. Our success rate was thirty three percent of

941
00:46:04,721 --> 00:46:07,201
Speaker 1: getting these people jobs and being a part of it.

942
00:46:07,801 --> 00:46:10,481
Speaker 1: The governments is free. They ordered it us and you

943
00:46:10,481 --> 00:46:13,241
Speaker 1: know what they did, they shut it down with funding.

944
00:46:13,881 --> 00:46:16,561
Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god. You know why as well, bro,

945
00:46:17,401 --> 00:46:20,441
Speaker 1: since the prison's now are privatize entities. It's on a

946
00:46:20,481 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: stock exchange. It's a businessman. And most of you guys

947
00:46:25,001 --> 00:46:26,681
Speaker 1: who are going to watch these guys or girls like

948
00:46:26,761 --> 00:46:29,521
Speaker 1: the women from Dane Phillis and stuff like that, they know,

949
00:46:29,921 --> 00:46:32,361
Speaker 1: like sometimes I used to see certain screws used to

950
00:46:32,361 --> 00:46:35,081
Speaker 1: give us information. They got money and stuff. You know

951
00:46:35,121 --> 00:46:38,321
Speaker 1: how it is people walking around with clipboards in there

952
00:46:38,321 --> 00:46:41,561
Speaker 1: and I go, what's who are they? They're investors, So

953
00:46:42,481 --> 00:46:44,961
Speaker 1: you know it's it just shows you it's greed and

954
00:46:45,001 --> 00:46:49,121
Speaker 1: sheer agreed, and it's privatized entity. So it's all about

955
00:46:49,201 --> 00:46:54,841
Speaker 1: money corruption because if they really want to do it,

956
00:46:54,881 --> 00:46:56,841
Speaker 1: because if you go sit down with a straight one

957
00:46:56,841 --> 00:46:59,681
Speaker 1: to eighty nerdburger who doesn't know what you're on around

958
00:46:59,721 --> 00:47:01,881
Speaker 1: you just come out of jail, they don't know how

959
00:47:01,921 --> 00:47:03,881
Speaker 1: it's talk to lingo and they don't and they just

960
00:47:03,921 --> 00:47:06,361
Speaker 1: get you know, who's this pencil pusher? You know what

961
00:47:06,401 --> 00:47:10,121
Speaker 1: I mean? Whereas we got hired because we actually knew

962
00:47:10,121 --> 00:47:12,361
Speaker 1: what the hell we were on about talking about. We

963
00:47:12,401 --> 00:47:15,561
Speaker 1: went through it and we're change your lives. Government doesn't

964
00:47:15,641 --> 00:47:17,721
Speaker 1: like that, bro, So what are you doing now? Then?

965
00:47:17,761 --> 00:47:18,521
Speaker 1: How'd you get around it?

966
00:47:18,521 --> 00:47:18,681
Speaker 2: Now?

967
00:47:18,681 --> 00:47:20,961
Speaker 1: For fund if they're not going to fund you anymore, Well,

968
00:47:21,041 --> 00:47:23,761
Speaker 1: now I'm just doing other things. Now. They got rid

969
00:47:23,801 --> 00:47:25,881
Speaker 1: of us. They got rid of us, they shut it down,

970
00:47:26,321 --> 00:47:29,241
Speaker 1: and you know what the sad thing about it. We

971
00:47:29,321 --> 00:47:32,441
Speaker 1: had guys from the First Nation, a woman as well.

972
00:47:32,801 --> 00:47:35,121
Speaker 1: She had say trauma, she was on the on the

973
00:47:35,161 --> 00:47:38,521
Speaker 1: path and stuff like that. Most of the guys and

974
00:47:38,561 --> 00:47:41,521
Speaker 1: the women they relapsed, the ones who lost their jobs,

975
00:47:41,561 --> 00:47:45,721
Speaker 1: they were were working. We're proud. Imagine. It's like I've

976
00:47:45,721 --> 00:47:49,721
Speaker 1: done podcasts before, Brian, and I didn't look when you

977
00:47:49,761 --> 00:47:55,121
Speaker 1: sent me that nessite. I didn't know we're coming in here. Technically,

978
00:47:55,201 --> 00:47:58,961
Speaker 1: I don't know we're in the Nova Novo FM. But

979
00:47:59,161 --> 00:48:02,121
Speaker 1: why don't I say, is that it all comes down

980
00:48:02,121 --> 00:48:03,801
Speaker 1: to money? You know how it is. I don't need

981
00:48:03,841 --> 00:48:06,201
Speaker 1: to tell you. And it's just sad. It's just sad.

982
00:48:07,081 --> 00:48:09,001
Speaker 1: You know, it's sad that that it has to come

983
00:48:09,081 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: down that there's there's people out there with trauma. And

984
00:48:13,121 --> 00:48:15,081
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people look at people with

985
00:48:15,201 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: those mental health issues or rough sleepers and stuff like that,

986
00:48:18,681 --> 00:48:20,601
Speaker 1: if you actually stop and have a chat to them.

987
00:48:20,681 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: Most of them were essayed when they were a kid

988
00:48:23,081 --> 00:48:25,601
Speaker 1: and they just can't stop the demons in the head. Bro,

989
00:48:26,401 --> 00:48:30,281
Speaker 1: that's the sad part. And and that's anyone touches kids

990
00:48:30,281 --> 00:48:32,601
Speaker 1: as a futuid actort. Oh yeah, it's the lowest of

991
00:48:32,641 --> 00:48:35,721
Speaker 1: the low. So how did how did you eventually get

992
00:48:35,721 --> 00:48:36,481
Speaker 1: out of the scene.

993
00:48:36,761 --> 00:48:38,241
Speaker 2: I know for a lot of people it's hard to

994
00:48:38,281 --> 00:48:40,601
Speaker 2: just walk away, But how did you just got this?

995
00:48:40,641 --> 00:48:43,241
Speaker 1: Is it? The wall was onna When I got out

996
00:48:43,441 --> 00:48:46,841
Speaker 1: and COVID we got a bit of freedom, and then

997
00:48:46,881 --> 00:48:51,721
Speaker 1: we went into massive, even more hectic lockdown. We had

998
00:48:51,761 --> 00:48:55,321
Speaker 1: all these you can't go out of five kilometer, this, this,

999
00:48:55,361 --> 00:48:57,441
Speaker 1: that and the other, and the boys knew I was

1000
00:48:57,441 --> 00:49:01,241
Speaker 1: on na. And look when you got the respect of

1001
00:49:01,361 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: the rest of the guys, and they know you never

1002
00:49:04,001 --> 00:49:06,921
Speaker 1: did shit goes again them and whatnot, and when you

1003
00:49:07,001 --> 00:49:09,481
Speaker 1: tried to help as much as you could. When the

1004
00:49:09,521 --> 00:49:12,001
Speaker 1: guys used to come to my place, it was like

1005
00:49:12,121 --> 00:49:18,001
Speaker 1: antipast or beers, drinks, fully stocked bar, you know, barbecues

1006
00:49:18,161 --> 00:49:21,761
Speaker 1: and most of my guys were all sorts and sarmons

1007
00:49:21,841 --> 00:49:24,801
Speaker 1: or tongans. There was always food and you know, that's

1008
00:49:24,801 --> 00:49:27,601
Speaker 1: how it was. And if we'd go out, and that's

1009
00:49:27,761 --> 00:49:31,161
Speaker 1: you just treat people with dignity, respect and we like

1010
00:49:31,201 --> 00:49:32,881
Speaker 1: I said, I just bumped into them and they said

1011
00:49:32,921 --> 00:49:35,841
Speaker 1: to me that, you know I was. I studied to

1012
00:49:35,881 --> 00:49:38,681
Speaker 1: serve three four community services to be a youth counselor

1013
00:49:38,721 --> 00:49:40,881
Speaker 1: as well, and then I was working with those people

1014
00:49:40,921 --> 00:49:44,041
Speaker 1: and they watched me through social and they just went, wow,

1015
00:49:44,881 --> 00:49:48,561
Speaker 1: you know, he's trying to be a better person, like

1016
00:49:48,641 --> 00:49:50,041
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I tried to make

1017
00:49:50,121 --> 00:49:52,601
Speaker 1: up as much as what I dropped the ball with

1018
00:49:52,641 --> 00:49:54,721
Speaker 1: my daughter, because at the end of the day, no

1019
00:49:54,761 --> 00:49:57,641
Speaker 1: one's putting food on your table and all that really

1020
00:49:57,681 --> 00:50:00,961
Speaker 1: matters is that that you're trying to do best by

1021
00:50:01,201 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: your kids, you know, and that's the most important thing.

1022
00:50:03,881 --> 00:50:05,161
Speaker 2: Did you miss it that when you said when you

1023
00:50:05,161 --> 00:50:07,681
Speaker 2: gave it up, did you just like, did you second

1024
00:50:07,761 --> 00:50:08,481
Speaker 2: question yourself?

1025
00:50:09,121 --> 00:50:12,681
Speaker 1: I don't believe so, because most of them left as well, Broka.

1026
00:50:13,521 --> 00:50:16,161
Speaker 1: But while I was inside another club offered me to

1027
00:50:16,241 --> 00:50:20,001
Speaker 1: go over there to them. And it's a certain guys

1028
00:50:20,161 --> 00:50:22,961
Speaker 1: very well known here in Melbourne who's always on the news.

1029
00:50:23,001 --> 00:50:25,881
Speaker 1: And I said, nah, I'm all right. I said I'm fine.

1030
00:50:26,561 --> 00:50:29,281
Speaker 1: And even recently another made of mine offered me someone

1031
00:50:29,321 --> 00:50:32,761
Speaker 1: from Sydney. I said, dude, I said, I'm working now

1032
00:50:32,881 --> 00:50:35,681
Speaker 1: with feeding homeless and people were like, yeah, I don't

1033
00:50:35,681 --> 00:50:38,561
Speaker 1: know if you've seen it. I'm doing videos sometimes with

1034
00:50:39,041 --> 00:50:41,561
Speaker 1: MPs and stuff, you know, and holding my own with them,

1035
00:50:41,601 --> 00:50:44,521
Speaker 1: and they're funding my events now and I've got a

1036
00:50:44,521 --> 00:50:47,481
Speaker 1: big one plan for my town and for Christmas to

1037
00:50:47,521 --> 00:50:51,081
Speaker 1: feed just feed everyone. Everything's for free, bro Everything's for free,

1038
00:50:51,161 --> 00:50:55,281
Speaker 1: and I organize it myself. I go to the pizza shop,

1039
00:50:55,281 --> 00:50:56,961
Speaker 1: I go to the bakery, I'll go to the butcher,

1040
00:50:57,121 --> 00:51:00,881
Speaker 1: I'll go to you know everyone, and I say, you know,

1041
00:51:00,961 --> 00:51:04,641
Speaker 1: whatever you can give. We're grateful for even the cheesecake shop,

1042
00:51:05,201 --> 00:51:07,721
Speaker 1: deserts and everything, because a lot of people, like you know,

1043
00:51:07,801 --> 00:51:11,041
Speaker 1: they can't do stuff for their kids because they're the

1044
00:51:11,041 --> 00:51:14,161
Speaker 1: cost of living is insane, man. And if for someone

1045
00:51:14,241 --> 00:51:18,001
Speaker 1: to come for that one day to you know, you know,

1046
00:51:18,041 --> 00:51:21,761
Speaker 1: with their kids and do something nice. My plan is

1047
00:51:22,161 --> 00:51:25,441
Speaker 1: having some rides and petting zoo and everything, mate, And

1048
00:51:25,481 --> 00:51:29,161
Speaker 1: it's all for free, so you know, the parents don't feel,

1049
00:51:29,721 --> 00:51:32,601
Speaker 1: oh shit, I can't do that, or I can't get

1050
00:51:32,641 --> 00:51:34,601
Speaker 1: them this or that. You know, it's not nice to

1051
00:51:34,601 --> 00:51:37,321
Speaker 1: feel like that with your kids. When we used to go,

1052
00:51:37,401 --> 00:51:41,121
Speaker 1: it wasn't that expensive. Now everything is astronomical, man, and shit,

1053
00:51:41,241 --> 00:51:43,161
Speaker 1: and if you've got kids, you want to give them

1054
00:51:43,201 --> 00:51:46,121
Speaker 1: the world, and if you can't, you feel, as a

1055
00:51:46,201 --> 00:51:48,641
Speaker 1: parent one of the worst feelings you can have. Yeah,

1056
00:51:48,801 --> 00:51:53,321
Speaker 1: you need regrets. We all got regrets. We all got regrets.

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00:51:53,841 --> 00:51:57,961
Speaker 1: Would I change anything? I don't know. It's a good

1058
00:51:58,121 --> 00:52:01,641
Speaker 1: that's actually a really good question. If I didn't any difference,

1059
00:52:01,641 --> 00:52:04,801
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be sitting here today. Wouldn't be sitting here today.

1060
00:52:04,921 --> 00:52:07,081
Speaker 1: I didn't you know in a million years, or I

1061
00:52:07,081 --> 00:52:10,641
Speaker 1: didn't think I appreciate it. Broy're giving me this opportunity

1062
00:52:11,361 --> 00:52:13,801
Speaker 1: because I mean, it's you're like I said, we've got

1063
00:52:13,801 --> 00:52:16,041
Speaker 1: the naysayers. You always got the haters and all that

1064
00:52:16,081 --> 00:52:20,201
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. But you know, sometimes you doubt yourself.

1065
00:52:21,041 --> 00:52:23,561
Speaker 1: But through sheer, great and tenacity and all that sort

1066
00:52:23,561 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: of stuff, and you know, we're in a different world now.

1067
00:52:26,641 --> 00:52:28,361
Speaker 1: You know what I mean to be doing what we're doing,

1068
00:52:28,521 --> 00:52:31,921
Speaker 1: and just it takes tenacity and balls and grit to

1069
00:52:31,961 --> 00:52:35,561
Speaker 1: do it and believing in yourself because no one's going

1070
00:52:35,601 --> 00:52:37,641
Speaker 1: to put food on your table. No one's going to

1071
00:52:37,681 --> 00:52:40,041
Speaker 1: care when you're rolling in it. Everyone wants to be

1072
00:52:40,161 --> 00:52:43,201
Speaker 1: your mate. But when you're down and out and you

1073
00:52:43,281 --> 00:52:45,881
Speaker 1: get out and you got you're just a plastic bag

1074
00:52:45,921 --> 00:52:47,881
Speaker 1: and you don't know where you're going to go next

1075
00:52:48,001 --> 00:52:50,601
Speaker 1: or whatnot. And one of my things is I want

1076
00:52:50,601 --> 00:52:54,081
Speaker 1: to do it all by myself. So when you get

1077
00:52:54,121 --> 00:52:56,201
Speaker 1: to a certain age, I'm not too sure how old

1078
00:52:56,241 --> 00:52:57,761
Speaker 1: you are, you just think how and people are going

1079
00:52:57,841 --> 00:53:00,121
Speaker 1: to remember you and you can only try on your

1080
00:53:00,121 --> 00:53:02,601
Speaker 1: best man you can I want to answer, Oh, I

1081
00:53:02,601 --> 00:53:03,641
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to answer that one.

1082
00:53:03,641 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: I won't how I'd be with all the fucking clue

1083
00:53:06,561 --> 00:53:07,641
Speaker 2: for that one I reckon.

1084
00:53:08,121 --> 00:53:11,081
Speaker 1: You know, with what you're doing now, it's great, you're

1085
00:53:11,121 --> 00:53:12,201
Speaker 1: going to leave a legacy.

1086
00:53:12,561 --> 00:53:15,561
Speaker 2: Well that's see. I was only but maybe two weeks

1087
00:53:15,561 --> 00:53:17,041
Speaker 2: ago that I got a message off a guy. I've

1088
00:53:17,081 --> 00:53:20,601
Speaker 2: gotten good messages a lot, but to say that my

1089
00:53:20,761 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: podcast saved his life.

1090
00:53:22,041 --> 00:53:22,321
Speaker 1: There you go.

1091
00:53:23,121 --> 00:53:26,641
Speaker 2: Because of the way my interviews are and the way

1092
00:53:26,681 --> 00:53:29,761
Speaker 2: I talk to people. I've never looked at that before.

1093
00:53:30,121 --> 00:53:32,081
Speaker 2: I just do interviews to get someone's story out, to

1094
00:53:32,081 --> 00:53:34,321
Speaker 2: get out there to some people can listen to your story.

1095
00:53:34,401 --> 00:53:36,681
Speaker 2: I don't think about how I saved his fucking life.

1096
00:53:36,761 --> 00:53:39,641
Speaker 2: But I'm very grateful for him to say that to me.

1097
00:53:40,121 --> 00:53:41,961
Speaker 2: But I don't look at my podcast like that. I've

1098
00:53:42,001 --> 00:53:42,401
Speaker 2: never had.

1099
00:53:42,721 --> 00:53:44,881
Speaker 1: You can tell the way you talk to people and

1100
00:53:44,881 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: the why you communicate. And I watched your stuff and

1101
00:53:47,721 --> 00:53:49,401
Speaker 1: even the way you laugh. You can tell you're a

1102
00:53:49,441 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: genuine person. You can tell I'm good. You know, once

1103
00:53:53,001 --> 00:53:56,481
Speaker 1: you've done worked in what we're done and the lifestyle,

1104
00:53:56,841 --> 00:53:59,001
Speaker 1: you get to work people out. You know. When I

1105
00:53:59,041 --> 00:54:01,721
Speaker 1: flew to Sydney just recently, they you know, they were

1106
00:54:01,761 --> 00:54:05,721
Speaker 1: saying promising me the world and this guy's pretty influential.

1107
00:54:06,281 --> 00:54:07,801
Speaker 1: They will say this this, that and the other, and

1108
00:54:07,801 --> 00:54:10,881
Speaker 1: then they would just go and you can see it's

1109
00:54:10,921 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: about them.

1110
00:54:11,841 --> 00:54:16,121
Speaker 2: My biggest supporters are my are strangers are not my friends?

1111
00:54:16,441 --> 00:54:19,081
Speaker 1: Not why my family deal with that.

1112
00:54:19,161 --> 00:54:21,681
Speaker 2: They don't support of Some of them have never even

1113
00:54:21,681 --> 00:54:24,641
Speaker 2: watch my fucking podcast. But strangers I've never met before.

1114
00:54:24,641 --> 00:54:28,361
Speaker 2: I'm my biggest supporters. I'm the same and Russell Men's

1115
00:54:28,361 --> 00:54:29,961
Speaker 2: are rest in peace. Russell.

1116
00:54:30,201 --> 00:54:31,921
Speaker 1: Yeah, last time I spoke to him on the phone

1117
00:54:31,921 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: for three hours before he passed away. He said, Bro,

1118
00:54:34,601 --> 00:54:37,441
Speaker 1: he was the same, He was the same. It's weird

1119
00:54:37,481 --> 00:54:40,641
Speaker 1: in it. I think it's just comes down to some

1120
00:54:41,041 --> 00:54:42,521
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, it comes.

1121
00:54:42,401 --> 00:54:44,881
Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying that well yeah, but I'm not

1122
00:54:44,921 --> 00:54:47,281
Speaker 2: saying that my friends aren't real towards me. But the

1123
00:54:47,321 --> 00:54:49,921
Speaker 2: thing is, you think that your friends and your close

1124
00:54:49,961 --> 00:54:51,561
Speaker 2: friends and family, oh, your bigger support.

1125
00:54:51,601 --> 00:54:53,561
Speaker 1: But or not. Bro, you took the words and matter

1126
00:54:53,601 --> 00:54:55,961
Speaker 1: of because I'm finding the same thing. I mean, I

1127
00:54:56,521 --> 00:55:01,241
Speaker 1: started off social media just as a timeline to look

1128
00:55:01,281 --> 00:55:03,881
Speaker 1: back on and you know, when you're gone, you know,

1129
00:55:04,001 --> 00:55:06,241
Speaker 1: maybe your kids are your grandkids can have a look.

1130
00:55:07,321 --> 00:55:09,681
Speaker 1: But you know saying you know, when I was doing

1131
00:55:09,721 --> 00:55:13,561
Speaker 1: the you know, really working on feeding less fortunate. It

1132
00:55:13,601 --> 00:55:16,441
Speaker 1: was like a couple of hundred, couple of thousand views

1133
00:55:17,481 --> 00:55:19,601
Speaker 1: as soon as I started changing it to what I'm

1134
00:55:19,641 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: doing now. It just shows what humans are like. The

1135
00:55:24,441 --> 00:55:28,681
Speaker 1: more controversial it is that it's just clickbait, and I

1136
00:55:28,841 --> 00:55:30,481
Speaker 1: just went to myself, you know what, if that's what

1137
00:55:30,481 --> 00:55:33,241
Speaker 1: they want, that's what they're going to get, but eventually slowly,

1138
00:55:33,281 --> 00:55:36,321
Speaker 1: slowly utilize it. You know, it's like the Jerry Springer show.

1139
00:55:36,401 --> 00:55:38,601
Speaker 1: You know, people used to tune in for that. It's

1140
00:55:38,641 --> 00:55:41,561
Speaker 1: the same thing when we're kids at school. Fight fight, fight.

1141
00:55:41,721 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: The whole fucking school came, right. I used to say

1142
00:55:44,001 --> 00:55:47,081
Speaker 1: that all the time, whole school comes. Then you've got

1143
00:55:47,121 --> 00:55:50,241
Speaker 1: someone doing jump rope for heart, raising money for heart disease.

1144
00:55:50,281 --> 00:55:53,521
Speaker 1: Evenyone's going, oh, they're a nerd burger and they're an idiot.

1145
00:55:53,801 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: It just shows you human nature. People want to see

1146
00:55:56,481 --> 00:55:59,401
Speaker 1: the car crash. They want to see the car crash,

1147
00:55:59,441 --> 00:56:03,041
Speaker 1: they want to see the train wreck. And one of

1148
00:56:03,041 --> 00:56:05,561
Speaker 1: my good mens, I'll just say, Paul, you know he's

1149
00:56:05,761 --> 00:56:08,521
Speaker 1: always just going to do something's going to really happen

1150
00:56:08,601 --> 00:56:11,001
Speaker 1: for you. He's going to happen if you keep believing it,

1151
00:56:11,001 --> 00:56:13,601
Speaker 1: and it's the same with you man, you know what

1152
00:56:13,601 --> 00:56:16,121
Speaker 1: I mean. It is bro like be proud of yourself.

1153
00:56:16,801 --> 00:56:19,761
Speaker 1: You know, it takes guts and tenacity to change from

1154
00:56:19,801 --> 00:56:23,281
Speaker 1: where we went to give it a crack. I started

1155
00:56:23,281 --> 00:56:25,481
Speaker 1: my stuff for fun, just to have a bit of fun.

1156
00:56:25,841 --> 00:56:29,121
Speaker 1: But now you know, I did the protest here in Melbourne,

1157
00:56:29,201 --> 00:56:31,921
Speaker 1: I went to Sydney and now I'm starting to interview

1158
00:56:31,961 --> 00:56:34,841
Speaker 1: people and it's all going viral, you know what I mean.

1159
00:56:35,761 --> 00:56:38,161
Speaker 1: I'm getting millions and millions of views just on Instagram.

1160
00:56:38,201 --> 00:56:40,681
Speaker 1: I'm getting I just had a look at my own thing.

1161
00:56:40,761 --> 00:56:45,121
Speaker 1: It's like four point eight million views per month. So

1162
00:56:45,281 --> 00:56:48,401
Speaker 1: it's just and it just just because it's controversial, but

1163
00:56:48,441 --> 00:56:51,521
Speaker 1: it's due to the fact that people are sick and

1164
00:56:51,561 --> 00:56:54,561
Speaker 1: tired of mainstream media. That's why this is growing. And

1165
00:56:54,601 --> 00:56:56,841
Speaker 1: it's it's when's the last time you switched on your

1166
00:56:56,881 --> 00:57:00,801
Speaker 1: TV and watched the news? Exactly, No one does the

1167
00:57:00,801 --> 00:57:05,121
Speaker 1: older generation. We're on Netflix or YouTube and people and

1168
00:57:05,201 --> 00:57:07,241
Speaker 1: everyone's on their phone. When I was on the airport

1169
00:57:07,401 --> 00:57:09,921
Speaker 1: just on Saturday, I just stopped and I was I

1170
00:57:10,081 --> 00:57:13,801
Speaker 1: just watched everyone's like this, that's all they're doing. It's

1171
00:57:13,801 --> 00:57:18,161
Speaker 1: all fun. Everything even in the gym in between everything.

1172
00:57:18,161 --> 00:57:21,121
Speaker 1: The fuck they're on their phone. The phone, they're on

1173
00:57:21,161 --> 00:57:23,801
Speaker 1: their phone. It's just glued to the phone. And if

1174
00:57:24,761 --> 00:57:26,841
Speaker 1: to try and get that and capture it, and if

1175
00:57:27,161 --> 00:57:30,881
Speaker 1: if you can make some money, good happy days.

1176
00:57:31,401 --> 00:57:34,481
Speaker 3: Well before we go, tell me I wanted to describe

1177
00:57:34,521 --> 00:57:39,761
Speaker 3: yourself in one word? Man, that's that's a bit hard. No,

1178
00:57:39,881 --> 00:57:44,081
Speaker 3: it's not describe myself in one word. Describe yourself, man,

1179
00:57:44,121 --> 00:57:48,281
Speaker 3: I've never been asked that. Wow, I don't know. I

1180
00:57:48,641 --> 00:57:51,121
Speaker 3: don't know what to say on that. I really don't

1181
00:57:51,121 --> 00:57:54,001
Speaker 3: know what to say. Have two words then to me.

1182
00:57:54,361 --> 00:57:58,241
Speaker 1: To me, it's tenacity because I've been through so much

1183
00:57:59,521 --> 00:58:03,041
Speaker 1: trials and tribulations I had, I had everything and I

1184
00:58:03,081 --> 00:58:07,041
Speaker 1: lost everything as well. And to dust yourself off and

1185
00:58:07,081 --> 00:58:10,681
Speaker 1: rebuild all the time, you know, when you know you

1186
00:58:10,721 --> 00:58:14,201
Speaker 1: sometimes everyone stops and licks their wounds and maybe has

1187
00:58:14,201 --> 00:58:15,961
Speaker 1: a drink or do or it does whatever they want.

1188
00:58:15,961 --> 00:58:18,441
Speaker 1: Everyone does that. Some days you just don't want to

1189
00:58:18,481 --> 00:58:20,241
Speaker 1: even know the world, you know what I mean? But

1190
00:58:21,041 --> 00:58:23,441
Speaker 1: just believe in yourself, man, And that I think for me,

1191
00:58:24,561 --> 00:58:26,841
Speaker 1: you know, even I've got that many injuries from my

1192
00:58:26,881 --> 00:58:30,601
Speaker 1: old bodybuilding career, but I still train. Just one day

1193
00:58:30,601 --> 00:58:34,721
Speaker 1: at a time, and I think Tenacity, Tenacity, you know

1194
00:58:34,921 --> 00:58:37,081
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine, you know, he'll watch this.

1195
00:58:37,201 --> 00:58:41,521
Speaker 1: His ex military he's actually a commando. He's served over

1196
00:58:41,721 --> 00:58:45,721
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. And we were chatting about the podcast today

1197
00:58:45,761 --> 00:58:50,441
Speaker 1: and just that drive and when we're having our down days,

1198
00:58:50,521 --> 00:58:53,521
Speaker 1: we talk to each other. And but it's even him,

1199
00:58:53,761 --> 00:58:56,721
Speaker 1: it's Tenacity, you know what I mean, he's banged up.

1200
00:58:57,241 --> 00:59:00,241
Speaker 1: He's just like you know, being a commando and being

1201
00:59:00,641 --> 00:59:03,121
Speaker 1: in the full service, it's hectic. Man. What you come,

1202
00:59:03,281 --> 00:59:05,401
Speaker 1: what they come, they do. So I'm going to doing

1203
00:59:05,441 --> 00:59:08,801
Speaker 1: some stuff with him as well and doing his you know,

1204
00:59:08,961 --> 00:59:12,441
Speaker 1: some stuff on his his journey. And now he's talking

1205
00:59:12,481 --> 00:59:16,681
Speaker 1: at the rs LS with you know, the ex reservists

1206
00:59:16,681 --> 00:59:19,641
Speaker 1: and like that. People have come back because there's a

1207
00:59:19,641 --> 00:59:22,201
Speaker 1: lot of mental health with that as well, because we

1208
00:59:22,281 --> 00:59:25,441
Speaker 1: hunt together like we go. So he lives out that

1209
00:59:25,481 --> 00:59:31,041
Speaker 1: way and it's the same with him, Tenacity. Never say die,

1210
00:59:31,561 --> 00:59:35,521
Speaker 1: never say the well thank you for I.

1211
00:59:35,481 --> 00:59:37,761
Speaker 2: Want to thank you for coming on and sharing your

1212
00:59:37,801 --> 00:59:39,721
Speaker 2: story and your journey and the new things that you're

1213
00:59:39,721 --> 00:59:41,641
Speaker 2: doing and the good things that you're doing too in

1214
00:59:41,681 --> 00:59:44,081
Speaker 2: your in your life now. I really appreciate it and

1215
00:59:44,161 --> 00:59:45,881
Speaker 2: it's been a long time coming, but it's been worth

1216
00:59:45,921 --> 00:59:46,241
Speaker 2: a while.

1217
00:59:46,481 --> 00:59:48,881
Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. I really I really appreciate it. Man,

1218
00:59:49,001 --> 00:59:51,921
Speaker 1: I was. I'm blown away, and I just to me,

1219
00:59:52,081 --> 00:59:55,121
Speaker 1: I'm humbled because I've known about you for years and

1220
00:59:55,161 --> 01:00:00,041
Speaker 1: to finally I didn't expect this. This is mad man.

1221
01:00:00,121 --> 01:00:03,841
Speaker 1: I've been in some awesome podcast rooms and but this, this,

1222
01:00:03,841 --> 01:00:05,881
Speaker 1: this is yeah, this is hecking and one day my

1223
01:00:06,721 --> 01:00:11,121
Speaker 1: dream is to eventually have something like this end up

1224
01:00:11,201 --> 01:00:14,281
Speaker 1: him on my podcast. Would be great, that'd be great,

1225
01:00:14,321 --> 01:00:17,881
Speaker 1: and yeah, are like to me, I'm very humbled, very humbled.

1226
01:00:17,961 --> 01:00:37,441
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Thanks brouh m hm