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Speaker 1: City and with Kate Ritchie podcast.

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Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph crime reporter Josh Hanrahan. I got that right,

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Speaker 2: didn't Josh, Thank you buddy. Welcome Crimson. Names are not

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Speaker 2: hes strong. Don't worry about don't worry about names. Crim

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Speaker 2: City is the podcast as well. Mate. There's been a

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Speaker 2: lot going on in Sydney. We wanted to get you on.

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Speaker 2: There's an article in the paper this morning you've written

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Speaker 2: which is extremely powerful. We'll touch on that in a moment.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not saying you're out of a job, but

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Speaker 2: I'm saying Tom Ivy was almost witness to the biking

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Speaker 2: incident that took place in the leg last year.

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Speaker 1: Were Neutral Bay, Joshi.

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Speaker 3: We saw, yeah, smoke everywhere, Cops, the Air Wing were there,

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Speaker 3: the fire trucks and one of the car parks was yeah,

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Speaker 3: up up in smoke with the.

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Speaker 1: Did they dump the car?

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Speaker 4: Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? They dumped a couple of cars.

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Speaker 3: The first one was a Neutral Bay and then then

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Speaker 3: it's it's interesting some of the tactics. Now they waited

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Speaker 3: until the next morning to ditch the next carter, to

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Speaker 3: put a bit of a bit.

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Speaker 1: Of time between it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the police are looking for a bloke in his

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Speaker 3: forties with curly gray hair in.

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Speaker 2: That Josh, he's got it A congratulations. See you've got

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Speaker 2: yourself a Josh, is this is someone still on the

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Speaker 2: run or do they know who shot this person?

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Speaker 1: No, there's a couple of people still on their own right.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was, as you said, middle of the

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Speaker 3: afternoon Currebilly, not far from the Prime Minister's residence when

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Speaker 3: he's in Sydney. A man called Abdul bag Daddy, who

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Speaker 3: has long been known to be an underworled figure, has

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Speaker 3: done serious jail time for a carjacking and some other offenses.

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Speaker 3: And I heard of another witness account of somebody who

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Speaker 3: was out running and they said, they said, I'm always

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Speaker 3: a bit suspicious when I see a person running in jeans,

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Speaker 3: And they saw some guy run past her in his

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Speaker 3: jeans and what's going on? Year And then next minute

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Speaker 3: she saw a car speeding off and didn't really think

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Speaker 3: too much about once or on the news and when

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Speaker 3: I've seen that guy before, so.

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Speaker 4: You're not out for a leisurely Joe.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask, Josh, do you know if I mean?

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Speaker 2: Was that was the idea to send a message and

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Speaker 2: just shoot him in the leg? Or did it not

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Speaker 2: go to plan? No.

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Speaker 3: I think initially it was put to me that it

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Speaker 3: was just, you know, an old fashioned kind of kneecapping

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Speaker 3: gone wrong. But I think now the belief is that

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Speaker 3: this was another attempted assassination on the streets of Sydney.

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Speaker 3: That yeah, luckily only only one of the bullets hit.

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Speaker 2: You know what's fascinating Kate. Over the time we've had

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Speaker 2: Josh and Mos on the show, these guys are across

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Speaker 2: what happens and what often triggers the wars between the

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Speaker 2: two families or whoever it might be in the in

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Speaker 2: the underworld, bikie or drug rings. Is there is it

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Speaker 2: settled at the moment, Josh? Or is there a we

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Speaker 2: at war?

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Speaker 3: In the last probably four months, it is it has

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Speaker 2: Bit, right.

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Speaker 3: You might remember in the middle of the year we

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Speaker 3: had that spate of shootings, particularly the big one of

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Speaker 3: Bondi Junction, which shocked a lot of people because things

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Speaker 3: like that aren't mental right in Bondi, you know. And

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Speaker 3: then there was a couple of incidents off the back

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Speaker 3: of that. There was a couple of shootings in green Acre.

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Speaker 3: A lawyer was shot that rattled a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: because again that was a step out of the ordinary,

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Speaker 3: and that led to police creating this task Force Magnus,

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Speaker 3: which you may have heard of, which saw them pull

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Speaker 3: together more than one hundred detectives, and they've really clamped

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Speaker 3: down on these organized crime gangs in the last few months,

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Speaker 3: which has seen a bit of a lull in the

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Speaker 3: underworld war, thanks goodness.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Does that kind of create a bit of worry

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Speaker 4: as well? Like when things go quiet, is that an

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And some people have said that they go it's

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Speaker 1: too quiet.

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Speaker 2: Right, Is that what you see happen? There's quiet, the

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Speaker 2: calm before the storm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: At its peak, it was usually six weeks between shootings,

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Speaker 3: like almost to the day. And I remember saying them

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Speaker 3: was at one point it's been six weeks and that

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Thankfully at the minute it's not quite like that. I

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Speaker 3: really do think police have gotten a hold on these guys.

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Speaker 3: And also the other thing is that a lot of

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Speaker 3: them have moved overseas because life here was so unbearable

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Speaker 3: and also dangerous. Unbearable because the police were cracking down

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Speaker 3: on them, and then dangerous because of.

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Speaker 2: Gay rivals, Josh tough one to talk about. In your

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Speaker 2: article this morning, page seven of the Daily Telegraph reflects

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Speaker 2: on the life of Lily James and the crime that

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Speaker 2: we saw last week at the school in the city.

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Speaker 2: Just awful, so hard to get your head around. It

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Speaker 2: was all the talk. Of course, you know last week

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Speaker 2: unimaginable is probably the best way to put it. The

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Speaker 2: research you've done into the case, which we're constantly learning about.

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Speaker 2: You know, the news broke that, you know, a beautiful

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Speaker 2: young girl, a teacher at a school, had been murdered,

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Speaker 2: and then the hunt was on to find him, which

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Speaker 2: resulted at the gap there in Watson's Bay. What does

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Speaker 2: your article go in and what have you learnt since?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one of the earliest kind of points

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Speaker 3: of confusion was, you know, why were they there so late?

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Speaker 2: What time was it?

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Speaker 3: So my understanding is that CCTV last cap she's literally

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Speaker 3: around seven o'clock going into the bathroom and then Paul

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Speaker 3: Thison goes in not long after or around the same time.

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Speaker 4: Is that unusual to be there at that time?

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing.

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Speaker 3: So Paulison worked at the school in the sports department,

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Speaker 3: and because if you know, where St Andrews is in

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Speaker 3: the city, there's not a lot of room for you know,

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Speaker 3: sporting grounds and that kind of thing, so often the

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Speaker 3: kids get busted off to external facilities, sports ground, pool,

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Speaker 3: whatever it may be. And then at the end of

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Speaker 3: training all the equipment is brought back and it's.

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Speaker 1: Kind of his job to catalog it and put it away.

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Speaker 3: So that's why he was there, and that's why she

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Speaker 3: was there bringing some of the stuff back. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, unfortunately, we cover a lot of

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Speaker 3: bit decent sensitized, probably in the same way you know

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Speaker 3: people who work nurses or you know, people who working police,

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Speaker 1: But you really notice when when one hits you that

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Speaker 1: are serious and straight away.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I first got a call about this,

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Speaker 3: somebody just said, this is a shocker.

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Speaker 1: This is as bad as it gets.

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Speaker 3: And I think, you know, you look at every other

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Speaker 1: It's leading leading the coverage.

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Speaker 2: That's you know, this has shocked the country because we

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Speaker 2: learned that the incident involved a hammer. Was it premeditated?

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Speaker 2: Is the footage show him walk into the chained rooms

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Speaker 2: or wherever it was with a hammer or.

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Speaker 3: Was Yeah, I'm not quite sure, And that is what

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Speaker 3: police are really looking at, is how premeditated it was.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you'll have seen that they had a brief

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Speaker 3: looking at you know, was he expecting her to be there?

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Speaker 3: Where did he get this this week? And from was

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Speaker 3: but yeah, it's all part of an ongoing investigation, despite

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Speaker 3: the fact that you know, they obviously have a fair

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Speaker 3: inkling what has occurred.

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Speaker 4: And you're and you're saying when you I mean, I

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Speaker 4: think the word you used was shocker. Is that the

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Speaker 4: feeling you're getting from everybody who's working across this case,

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Speaker 4: obviously not just the journalists but people close to the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, Police, police are shocked, quite you know, the

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Speaker 3: society is we unfortunately say this too often though I

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Speaker 3: remember earlier this year we had the case of Danielle

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Speaker 3: Finlay Jones. It was a girl, you know, who was

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Speaker 3: found dead in her bed in Sydney's West. Last year

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Speaker 3: there was a young girl Mackenzie Anderson who was stabbed

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Speaker 3: in Newcastle. And I spoke to her mum a few

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Speaker 3: months later actually, and one of the things that she

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Speaker 3: thinking about how scared her daughter would have been at

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Speaker 3: that moment. And I've been thinking about that a bit

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Speaker 2: You know you mentioned you'd spoken to some of her

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Speaker 2: housemates or friends or yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So today's story is actually some friends of Paul

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Speaker 3: Thison right just saying that they're shocked to write.

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Speaker 1: You know, surprised, ye, not total at a character.

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Speaker 3: One n you know, he was a sports captain at

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Speaker 3: the school, you know, clearly held in high regard at

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Speaker 3: the school during during his days there, enough so that

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Speaker 3: they gave him a job afterwards. And they're just, you know,

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Speaker 3: they can't believe what he you know that it got

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Speaker 3: to this point.

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Speaker 2: Hard to get your head. Just thank you, mate, Not

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Speaker 2: easy to talk about and appreciate it and all the

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Speaker 2: research in the article and the Daily Telegraph this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming in mate, Thanks.

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