WEBVTT - Credlin | 16 July 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:07.280 Pedo Kredlin live on Sky News Australia. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.240 Good evening and a welcome to the show. Here is 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.320 what's coming up on Credline. Warning shots today from the 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.360 Australian Chamber of Commerce, which says the Federal government's wild 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.640 spending risks pushing out private investment. More on that soon, 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.920 And for the first time, modeling backed by the Federal 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:32.200 government via the CSIRO has dramatically reignited the energy debate, 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:37.839 suggesting more coal and gas could deliver cheap electricity than renewables. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.760 The Prime Minister says he's learnt his lesson after the 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:46.519 podcast controversy, but has the damage already been done? Plus 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.479 university bosses seemingly all at sea as the grilling at 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.640 the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism continues. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:58.120 Sfesser Brown can ask you to describe the Israeli flag 0:00:58.360 --> 0:00:59.120 to the Commission. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:00.720 What does the Israeli flag look like? 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:05.800 What colors are on the US? 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:07.280 I'm during a mental blank. 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:15.000 The Liberal Party doesn't need quotas it needs conviction. After 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:19.080 two devastating election losses, the Liberal Party is asking itself 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.760 what would mensies do? As the Liberal Party tries to 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.959 find its relevance and pathway back to government. They are 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:31.800 talking again about gender quotas now. I agree the party 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.920 needs to change, but they're looking in the wrong place. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.200 I want to see more women in parliament. I've been 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:43.920 a Liberal candidate and campaigned alongside incredibly talented women Ronox, 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:48.160 Giselle Capterarian, Katie Mullins, Joe vander Platt, Amrei A. 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:49.880 Hamer, just to name a few. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.720 And they were pre selected because they are outstanding individuals, 0:01:55.280 --> 0:02:00.760 not because they're women. Merit should never become negotiable because 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.440 the moment someone is selected to satisfy a quota, you 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:09.400 unfairly cast doubt over every achievement that follows. That's not 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:14.600 empowering women, it's diminishing them. Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:16.840 was asked about gender quotas today. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.880 My instinct is always to come back to merit. I 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.880 think we have some amazing women in our party, We've 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:28.280 got some really talented men, and I think we should 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.239 have a merit based approach. It's as simple as that. 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:34.560 We should certainly make more effort to recruit and develop 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:40.079 and give opportunities to women. But once you start imposing 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.640 quotas like the Labor Party. You kill the very idea 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.920 of merit within the party and I think that's poisonous 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:47.440 to cohesion. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.680 And Andrew Hasty is right, merit should always come first. 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:57.200 Opposition leader Angus Taylor gave his thoughts on quotas. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.960 I've never supported any quote at all, but what I 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:02.800 do support. 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.200 What I do support is more great people joining the 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.560 Liberal Party, and more great people women and from. 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:13.360 All sorts of backgrounds. I have long believed that we 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.800 have to rebuild our parties. There's an enormous amount of 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:17.200 work to do. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.359 I welcome the work of the Commission and I strongly 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:26.280 support that regeneration rebuild of the party that we need. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.760 But the part that's being overlooked. At the twenty twenty 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:35.440 five federal election, not one Liberal female candidate was voted in, 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:40.120 not one. On top of that, female MPs lost their seats. 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.640 Had any female candidate been elected, or more female MPs 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:48.720 retain their seats, the entire narrative would have changed. We'd 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.760 all be saying, look at the talented women representing the 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.560 Liberal Party. But the problem wasn't the candidates. It was 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.640 convincing Australias to vote for them. The last election was 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:04.280 a desigaster. Policies were rolled out late. Run a decent 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.880 campaign and perhaps women will be elected as will men. 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:15.200 It starts with policies. Where are your policies? Michael Kroger 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:17.680 highlighted this point on Sky News earlier. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.200 Unlus, you've got an outstanding offering which is politically very smart, 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.280 like elbows. Wasn't the last elector that it was in 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.560 twenty two. We're not being beaten because we don't have 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.400 migrants and women and young people. We're getting beaten because 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.520 Labour's policies are more attractive, They're able to sell them better, 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.080 and they've been better at politics at a federal level 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:36.440 than we have. 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:42.000 The Liberal should build the best childcare policy Australia has 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:47.280 ever seen, because here's something politicians often forget. Women don't 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.919 vote for women simply because they're women. Parents vote for 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:56.039 policies that make their lives easier, give families genuine choice. 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:00.240 That is a liberal idea. It's also a point of 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:04.320 difference from Labor. Bring out an energy policy that means 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:09.040 people don't choose between heating and eating back small businesses 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:14.120 show aspiration still matters in this country. Reward hard work. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.680 That's how you reconnect with Australians. Robert Menzies built a 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:24.600 political movement around opportunity, personal responsibility and the battle of ideas. 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:29.040 He didn't ask Australians to lower the bar. He challenged 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.919 them to rise above it. And that's the lesson worth remembering. 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.919 The irony is yesterday the Liberal Party was making headlines 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:42.039 for backing small business and that's exactly where it should be. 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:47.280 But today the headlines are about gender quotas, about the 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:53.960 Liberal Party talking about the Liberal Party again. That's the problem. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.520 Here's what Andrew Hasty told Mark Leavy this morning. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.960 People are so desperate for leadership. People are so desperate 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.560 for solutions. You talk to people out on the streats 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.839 at door knocking yesterday in Western Australia, and you know 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.080 people are doing it tough. They just feel like they 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.200 can't get ahead, and so they're looking to political leaders 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.599 for solutions. They don't care if they're male, female, or 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.279 what their background is. If people have a solution, they'll 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.320 back them. And that's what we've got to focus on. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:26.800 The Liberal Party doesn't need quotas. It needs to give 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.200 Australians reasons to vote for it again. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:38.240 And this isn't it. It takes time and trust. If 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:38.680 you were. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:42.279 Forced to choose, would you pay the electricity bill or 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:43.719 take your child to the doctor. 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:45.640 That's the choice. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:49.480 Many Australian families are now facing. A new report today 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.800 has found more than one in five households have skipped 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:57.479 paying for essentials like rent, mortgage or medical treatment to 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:02.480 afford their electricity bill. Australians were promised cheaper power. 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.240 Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.080 two hundred and seventy five dollars two hundred and seventy 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.280 five dollars a year two hundred and seventy five dollars 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.080 two hundred and seventy five dollars a year. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:21.679 Instead, this is now a national failure. ABS data shows 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.720 energy rows twenty one percent in the year to May. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.080 Is there any wonder why? A survey in the Deli 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.760 Telegraph showed that more than seventy eight percent of households 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.320 are concerned about the cost of electricity, and that's before 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:39.120 the other warning. The CSIRO now says the cost of 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:43.560 generating electricity is expected to jump by more than fifty 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:48.200 percent after twenty thirty as aging coal fired power stations 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.840 are replaced to meet our net zero targets now. They 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:56.440 also said relying more heavily on fossil fuels could reduce 0:07:56.480 --> 0:08:00.640 the cost of running Australia's electricity system, but warned that 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.880 it would come with trade offs for emissions. And that's 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:08.080 precisely why this debate shouldn't be about choosing one technology 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.760 over another. It should be about finding the right mix. 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.679 Yet the government's answer is just keep going, no change 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:20.440 of direction. Let's just throw billions more at renewables, keep 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.720 destroying our landscape and farms as we chase a net 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.760 zero fantasy. It's time to stop treating energy like an 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:32.400 ideological contest and start treating it as an affordability issue. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.920 It's time to have a serious conversation about nuclear energy, 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.320 not because it's the only answer, but because refusing to 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:45.240 even consider it isn't working. Australia remains the only G 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:49.680 twenty nation with a ban on nuclear power. If nuclear 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:54.440 can compete, well let it compete. If renewables are the cheapest, 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.920 or then prove it. If gas has a role, use it. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.400 Take the politics out of energy. If Australians are too 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:07.120 afraid to turn on the heater. The energy policy isn't working. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.000 If you thought you're SUPER belonged to you think again. 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:20.200 The Prime Minister sees Australia's retirement savings as something that 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:24.200 can be used to advance the nation's interests, telling the 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:29.400 Australian Financial Review and Busy Superannuation roundtable, there is a 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:33.040 real potential to see these funds as a national asset, 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.520 a national asset. That's a dangerous way to think about 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:42.800 money that Australians have spent a lifetime earning. We've already 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.760 seen changes to the tax rules and now the Prime 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:50.800 Minister is openly describing Australian's retirement savings as a national 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:55.360 asset that should help deliver national objectives and that should 0:09:55.400 --> 0:10:00.320 concern everyone. Opposition Leader Angus Taylor says Australians do observe 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.480 answers about exactly what the government will do. 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.439 What is his plan with Australian Super. 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:10.480 Is he going to follow the lead that we've seen 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.480 from Wayne Swan in recent days. 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.679 Superannuation is Australian's money. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.400 It's not the government's money, it's not union officials' money. 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.240 It's Australian's money and we will always respect that. 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.760 And it's not just the Coalition raising the alarm. Westpac 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:33.280 CEO Anthony Miller delivered a blunt warning saying, don't touch 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.040 the super complex, don't direct it, don't tell it where 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.080 to go. And mister Miller further said, let's make sure 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.160 these funds understand the responsibility they have and that the 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.480 governance is there. Liquidity is not a risk class that 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.920 the super complex has ever had to worry about, because 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.960 all they ever had was money coming in. And he's 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:59.720 exactly right. Super funds have one job, maximize returns for members, 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:04.120 not governments. Once governments think your retirement saving should serve 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:09.400 the national interest, this definition will never stop expanding. Australians 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.319 don't spend years building their retirement nest egg so politicians 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.760 can use it as a diplomatic bargaining chip. Your super 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.240 isn't another pool of money for governments to steer because 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.320 they're run out of ideas. It belongs to the people 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.280 who earnt it. If an investment stacks up commercially, super 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.920 fund should absolutely invest because it's the right investment, not 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:35.080 because it's the government's choice. And that's the difference. Your 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:43.080 super doesn't belong to Canberra. It belongs to you. Well, 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.920 let's head to Canberra now for tonight's political headlines with 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.840 Sky News political reporter Camredden. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:56.360 Meeting with small business in Victoria. As we do, the 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.920 Liberal leadership team is again consumed by party business. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.880 The most important thing is that the Liberal Party is 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:04.480 ready to fight elections. 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.679 A Route and Branch review run by Senator James McGrath 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.320 calls out the party's failure to attract young migrants and 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:12.439 female voters. 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.640 The Liberal Party needs to make itself a campaign machine, 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.920 a political machine for the twenty first century. 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.080 It notes Labour's gender quotas have produced a party room 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.120 that's more than fifty percent female, while for the Liberals 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.280 it's less than a third. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.240 We'll consider all of the options that are put out there. 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.360 But Angus Taylor has seemingly made up his mind. 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.760 I've never supported any quotas at all, but what I 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.440 do support. What I do support is more great people 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:41.640 joining the Liberal Party. 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.000 Instead turning to comedian Dave Hughes for a pep talk 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.160 on Labour's tax reforms. 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:52.160 Go on Disena World, on Albo World, on Jim Idiots. 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.559 The liberals second internal review since the election isn't revolutionary. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.560 Many of these ideas have been proposed and debated before, 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.880 but ever at a time with the party at such 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.120 a low ebb and facing an existential threat such as 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.120 the one posed by One Nation. Even as one of 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:12.600 Pauline Hanson's lieutenants comes under fire for pedaling conspiracies, I'm 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.440 open to there being kemprouse in Australia. 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:15.800 I have never denied it. 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:20.280 The globalists are entrenched in Ukraine and the Russia was 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:21.680 controlled by the globalist. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:26.679 Senator Malcolm Roberts controversial comments include praise for American conspiracy 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.160 theorist Alex Jones and re sharing an anti Semitic image 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.520 on social media in twenty twenty four, triggering calls for 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:34.359 his resignation. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.840 And the question here for Pauline Hansen is what is 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:38.720 she going to do about it? 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.360 According to Barnaby Joyce, not much. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.880 We make our opinions by what people put forward. 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.800 I'm not here to start carpeting, Malcolm. 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:48.680 I'm not going to do that. 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.480 Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.840 Before we jump into tonight's panel, Federal Liberal MP Tony 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.559 Passen was meant to join us tonight, but sadly Tony 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.160 and one of his staffers were involved in a boat 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:08.240 accident today in Tasmania. The accident occurred while they were 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.960 traveling with fellow Liberal state MP Gavin Pearce and his 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.080 staff members as they were coming back from a tour 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:19.560 of the oyster farm in Baker's Beach. Tony received medical attention, 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.680 but his office told us he's okay, which is great news, 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.720 but for obvious reasons, he had to cancel for tonight, 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.200 with his first priority being the well being of his staffer, 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.840 who we understand remains in hospital. Of course, our thoughts 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:39.640 are with all involved. Well, let's bring in now Sky 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.240 News contributor Carolie Katz and Barnas and Sky News host 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.640 and Daily Telegraph National affairs editor James Morrow. Welcome to 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.520 you both. Look, I do want to just start with 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.280 quotas and I'm interested to get the opinions from both 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:58.200 of you. Caroly, what's your view on quotas within the 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:58.920 Liberal Party. 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:02.400 I'm a no. 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.000 I'm definitely not for quotas at all. You don't want 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.360 to be known as getting it just because you're the 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.080 woman or just because you're the man. You want to 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.120 be the best person for the job, and the more 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.560 time that is wasted on quotas and the need for them, 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.760 the less time is spent on actually getting the right 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.960 people with merit. There's a lot of reasons that people 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:27.440 go into politics. It is a very rough career and industry. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.600 You do need a thick skin to go into it. 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.120 But the end of the day, going with quotas, it 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.720 just runs the risk of putting the wrong people in 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.200 the wrong job. So I'm with Angus Taylor on this one. 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.280 Yeah, I agree with you there too. Caro Lee James, 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:43.040 what's your view? 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.560 Yeah, Well, you know, the only thing that the Liberal 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.960 Party can do that can they can do worse than 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.560 talking about one nation is talking about themselves. And the 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.120 longer they start getting bogged down and these sorts of 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:58.920 questions about quotas for female MPs or pre selections, the 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.080 less they are talking about policy. You know, I'm sorry, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.320 but the gender mix of the party room doesn't do 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.680 anything about the cost of living, It doesn't do anything 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:14.440 about this confiscatory, redistributionist socialist government, It doesn't do anything 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:18.080 about the energy crisis in this country. It just looks 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.400 like a bunch of politicians talking about themselves. And that 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.880 is the last thing the Liberal Party needs. This debate 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:29.000 is incredibly self indulgent. And I'll tell you what. The 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.280 people who are on the other side of this question, 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.720 you know, when are saying, oh, they need quotas. They 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:35.920 you have more female MPs, they need a quota system 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.600 to make this happen. And you know these are people 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:42.520 who would also not vote Liberal in on a bet, 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.040 you know. So it's being driven by people who actually 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.360 don't really have the party's best interests at heart. 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.440 And I think, Caroly, if we can look at policies, 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.480 that's how you bring people back. And I know I've 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.240 now been saying it quite a lot, but things like 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.840 nailing the childcare policy that wouldn't just bring back women, 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.640 that'll bring back men too because it will help families 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:05.040 and by giving them choice. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.680 That's a liberal mentality and it's. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:09.560 That's what I think that they should be focusing on, 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.800 not themselves and talking about quotas. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.000 Yeah, one hundred percent, you've been red hot on this 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.159 jomy always and yeah, and the other policies, you know, 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.199 those basics, getting back to basics, the cost of living, 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:27.000 getting rid of this ridiculous renewable strategy that the Albaneze 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.320 government continues to pursue that's put so many Australians and 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.560 their families in economic poverty. Just getting back to those 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:38.560 basics healthcare, crime, all those things that we sadly took 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:43.200 for granted in the Howard Costello years where Australia had 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:47.320 wonderful growth. A whole generation of people and new arrivals 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.000 know nothing how Australia used to be. I know that 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.199 we can't turn back the clock, but everything has just 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.199 been thrown out of the window. And I think it 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.119 just gets back to people being able to have money 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.640 in their money and their budgets and their look after 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.800 their families and take the pressure off the Australian taxpayer. 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.320 There's so much wastage that's going on at the moment. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:08.320 It just has to stop. 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.520 James, I want to talk to you about the Australian 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.439 Chamber of Commerce who today has issued it a broadside 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:21.120 to the Albanesi government warning that they're prolific spending unrealistic 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.040 assumptions about the size of the public service will just 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:29.080 continue to pile pressure onto the budget bottom line. And 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:32.399 they're saying that government is just relying on artificial forward 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.080 estimate accounting which can't be covered up, and it's also 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:40.040 concerned about crowding out private investment. Do you think labor 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:44.640 has just become too reliant now on a bigger public sector. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.760 Yes, yes they have. I mean, this is it's funny 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:51.679 to see, you know, the business groups now coming to 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.480 the party on this here. But this is just confirming 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.440 stuff that we have already known. It had long been 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:01.400 a Treasury mantra that every dollar of public sector spending 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.439 crowds out a dollar of private sector spending. And you 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:08.560 know that mathematics doesn't change. We have this hugely spending 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.960 government here, and I was intrigued not just by what 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.200 the ACCI said, but by what the Parliamentary Budget Office 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.200 said this week and they said, you know this government 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:22.000 the forward estimates, well they are let's just say optimistic, 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.720 heroically optimistic when it comes to this idea that they'll 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.720 be able to get on a glide path to get 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.080 back out of death sitting into surplus in some states. 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.560 They said, the public service is far too big and 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.159 there's no chance that labor is actually going to cut it. 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:40.879 I mean, can you imagine labor firing public service? I mean, seriously, 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.040 that's not going to happen. They said, too reliant on 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.119 income tax and pay as you go. Wage earners are 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.400 the ones who are carrying so much of the can here, 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:50.480 and there's no way they're going to be able to 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:52.920 cut the ndis as much as they hope too. So yeah, 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.960 they're completely reliant on all of this public spending. It 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.240 is just you know, moving money from A to B, 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.080 not growing the pie, and the govern clips the ticket 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:02.600 every step of the way. It's a disgrace. 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.760 Caroly Let's have a look at the Victorian Liberal Party, 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:11.120 who from reports look like they will disendorse Moira Deeming 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.040 and this could be just within a few days. And 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.840 this follows her dropping support Supreme Court action against the 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.240 party and it's just so disappointing. You know, I felt 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.560 like Moira was a trail of laser at one point 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.040 of women's rights, but somehow the wheels have come off, 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.400 and I just wonder can the Liberals rise above all 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.040 of this in time for the election. 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.800 Well, look, you're right, it is. It's a headache that 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:40.000 won't go away. It is like a sein Faild episode 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.040 that keeps going on and on. The good thing is 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.960 Jess Wilson has continued her tour around Victoria visiting all 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.400 the eighty eight Lowerhouse electorates, and she is firmly focused 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:56.720 on holding the Jacina Allen government to account, whether it's crime, potholes, healthcare, 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.399 no matter what it is, she is firmly focused on 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.280 the issues that mattered to all Victorians. But at the 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.520 end of the day, with more Redeeming, you summed it up. 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.240 She was seen as the great White Hope. But the 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:14.679 problem is she did not. It's very difficult for me 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:16.879 to say what I want to say, but basically I 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:20.080 would just like to say, you are taking all the 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.040 good work that the Victorian Liberal Party is doing in 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.120 a holding the Ji Center Alan government to account. 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:27.920 She alleged that Matthew. 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.359 Guy had assaulted her that had put her in a 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.760 headlock in less than twenty four hours after Matthew Guys 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:37.640 sought the CCTV footage from the Macedonian Center on May 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:42.080 twenty third, Victoria police said it didn't happen. He asked 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:45.600 for a public apology. That is the least that he 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:49.440 was actually owed. He's remained silent and we've had an 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:53.440 Instagram video done by more Redeeming. We've now had a statement, 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:58.800 We've had interstate a legal representation and it just becomes 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.679 all murky. At the end of the day, it comes 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.760 down to trust, and I believe that the Victorian Liberal 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.840 Party cannot actually trust one of their colleagues. 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:09.440 And as you say, all the. 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.320 Good that Moira has done, and she was justified in 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:15.480 the action against PURSUITO and she was justified in winning 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:20.680 her pre selection when Ganesh Garassetti Danessh Garassetti was disindorsed. 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:22.040 But this is ridiculous. 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:24.560 If you don't know the difference between a headlock and 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.159 a gentle hand on the back after you've just stood 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.800 for a selfie, it's terrible. I mean, she says on 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:35.120 her Instagram that she stands for freedom, fair laws and family. 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:36.560 She hasn't given. 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.880 Two hoots about how Matthew Guy feels with his freedom 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:43.200 and his family. And I think rather than be disindorsed, 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.320 the decent thing is just to step down and if 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:50.320 you've got that much PTSD and those many issues from 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:54.320 previous incidents, perhaps politics is not the career for you, 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:56.800 or just apologize. 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.399 If she just apologized, we would have all moved on 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.880 from this discussions. Just say sorry, I got I got 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:06.160 the wrong between a headlock and a collar cuff and 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:10.040 you move on. But James, before we go, I do 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.119 want to get your thoughts. The Prime Minister has broken 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:16.119 his silence today around these podcast comments that have just 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:18.960 we've all been talking about for a lot now, around 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:22.080 the melons and Kylie Minogue. He said on the ABC 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:25.040 today that there's two things you need to do if 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:27.879 you've made a mistake. One is to apologize, and the 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:29.920 second is to learn the lessons from it. 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:33.119 And I've done both. Now what do you make of that? 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:38.440 Well, you know, I mean, everybody thought it was really ridiculous, 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.679 less so the comments, the fact that he went on 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:45.400 this ridiculous podcast, and I hope that the lesson that 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:48.760