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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Tuesday, June seventeen, twenty twenty five. Aaron Patterson created

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<v Speaker 1>four calculated deceptions and told bald faced lies and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why she should be convicted of deliberately murdering three elderly

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<v Speaker 1>relatives and attempting to murder a fourth. That's the crown

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<v Speaker 1>closing in the Mushroom trial, where Patterson has pleaded not guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>Defense barrister at Colin Mandy sc will make his closing

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<v Speaker 1>submissions this week. You can follow every Twist live at

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian dot com dot a U. How to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with Donald Trump? Give him what he wants. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>advice for Anthony Alberonizi's first face to face meeting with

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<v Speaker 1>the US President on Wednesday, from the President's former golf

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<v Speaker 1>buddy and our former ambassador to the US, Joe Hockey.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus what the Australian government really thinks about the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of war with China? What happens if China invades Taiwan?

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<v Speaker 1>Would China attack Australia? Would America defend us? Now we

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<v Speaker 1>have a big clue to what the Australian government doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>say out loud what they are really thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>China's conventional military build up is the most significant military

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<v Speaker 2>build up that we have seen, conventional military build up

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<v Speaker 2>that we have seen since the end of the Second World.

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<v Speaker 1>War, Visa's Defense Minister Richard Miles, speaking at the Australians

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<v Speaker 1>Defending Australia summit in Canberra.

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<v Speaker 3>And it means that Australia's geography today is more relevant

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<v Speaker 3>to great power contests than it has been at any

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<v Speaker 3>point since the end of the Second World War, arguably

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<v Speaker 3>at any point in our history.

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<v Speaker 1>A bit later, he said it again.

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<v Speaker 4>Our continent is more relevant to great power contest now

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<v Speaker 4>than it's ever been before.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if you read between those lines, what Miles is

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<v Speaker 1>saying is that Australia won't be invaded by China in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. Australia's too big to invade. Our biggest risk

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<v Speaker 1>is being completely isolated by China cutting off our sea

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<v Speaker 1>lanes and undersea communication cables. But what we would be

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<v Speaker 1>doing if war breaks out is hosting American forces in

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<v Speaker 1>an even bigger way than we do now. The rotating

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<v Speaker 1>US bombers at our northern bases, the US marines from

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty seven will have the Submarine Rotational Force West,

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<v Speaker 1>and the US is putting logistics facilities and fuel dumps

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<v Speaker 1>in northern Australia. That means we'd be hosting heavy bombers,

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<v Speaker 1>troops and missile launch sites. And here's why it matters.

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<v Speaker 5>Chaos in the air between New Zealand and Australia, forcing

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<v Speaker 5>the diversion of forty nine flights when it began a

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<v Speaker 5>live fire exercise.

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<v Speaker 1>In March, Chinese warships entered Australian waters, conducting live fire

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<v Speaker 1>exercises and then circumnavigating our coast.

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<v Speaker 6>In seas never previously sailed by the Chinese Navy. The

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<v Speaker 6>warships are being shadowed by HMAS Stewart and New Zealand

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<v Speaker 6>frigate to Kaha.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, the government said everything was under control.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they admit it was a very ugly moment. At

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<v Speaker 1>the Defending Australia Summer, the Australian's colonist Chris Yulman pressed.

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<v Speaker 7>Miles, were they targeting our cities? Were they rehearsing targeting

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<v Speaker 7>our cities or any facilities on shore in Australia While

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<v Speaker 7>they were doing that, you would know the answer to

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<v Speaker 7>that question.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I do know the answer the question. What we

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<v Speaker 4>did with the Chinese Task Group was to engage in

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<v Speaker 4>an unprecedented level of surveillance of that task group, So

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<v Speaker 4>we do know exactly what they were doing and exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what they were rehearsing.

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<v Speaker 7>The other thing that was that we were unable to

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<v Speaker 7>really keep pace with them because that our fuel supply

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<v Speaker 7>ships were in dry dock, won't they So it doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>that we're talking about projecting power. We can't even project

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<v Speaker 7>power around our own continent.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we did well. We absolutely kept pace with them

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<v Speaker 4>the whole way. And I think the ability for us

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<v Speaker 4>to do that throughout the entirety of the period in

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<v Speaker 4>which that Task Group was in the vicinity of Australia

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<v Speaker 4>sends a very strong message back.

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<v Speaker 1>The Trump administration has announced a thirty day review of

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<v Speaker 1>the Australia US UK Defense Packed ORCUS, and that sent

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<v Speaker 1>a cold chill through everyone in defense. Australia has committed

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<v Speaker 1>to borrow by and then build nuclear powered submarines with

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<v Speaker 1>our allies that Donald Trump hardly seems to have heard

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<v Speaker 1>of the deal signed by Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you discussing ORCUS?

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<v Speaker 4>With the Prime Minister sub But what does that mean,

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<v Speaker 4>Orcus the Australia US defense.

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<v Speaker 8>Line so well, did be discussing that we've had another

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<v Speaker 8>great relationship and you have to deal with Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've had a very good relationship with Australia.

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<v Speaker 9>And now the Pentagon has launched a review of the

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<v Speaker 9>orchest defense pack to make sure it's aligned with President

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<v Speaker 9>Trump's America First agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>The Australian who knows Trump best is Joe Hockey. He's

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<v Speaker 1>former golf buddy and Australia's former ambassador to the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Hockey joined me on stage at Defending Australia. So with

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<v Speaker 1>that expertise in mind, at all your other expertise, how

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<v Speaker 1>would you handle if you were Anthony Albinezi, his first

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<v Speaker 1>face to face meeting with Donald Trump on Wednesday? What

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<v Speaker 1>would be your opening Gamba?

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<v Speaker 8>I'll walk in and say, mister President, you've got a

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<v Speaker 8>war in Ukraine to deal with, You've got a war

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<v Speaker 8>in the Middle East to deal with. You're trying to

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<v Speaker 8>restructure the biggest economy in the world. You've had a

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<v Speaker 8>terrible political assassinations in Minnesota. Everyone that may to ask

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<v Speaker 8>for something I'm here to say what can I do

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<v Speaker 8>to help? Because we're aligned in our interests. We want freedom,

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<v Speaker 8>we want democracy, we want a safe world. What can

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<v Speaker 8>we do to help?

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<v Speaker 1>Like? What?

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<v Speaker 8>So, why not start now? Why are we waiting for

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<v Speaker 8>the orchest subs? Start now? In South Australia building various

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<v Speaker 8>components of the Virginias and the Columbus. An Australian owned company,

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<v Speaker 8>Ostel is already in Alabama building the command centers for

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<v Speaker 8>the Virginias and Columbus class submarines. Australian owned company in

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<v Speaker 8>Alabama is doing it. And why aren't we walking into

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<v Speaker 8>the meeting and saying we're not only giving you a

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<v Speaker 8>check for three billion, we're actually on the ground in

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<v Speaker 8>Alabama helping you to build your submarines.

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<v Speaker 4>Now do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Think this review of ORCAS is going to make any difference?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this just a box taking exercise?

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<v Speaker 8>No? No, And there's an ulterior motive. And the ulterior

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<v Speaker 8>motive is in the United States there is great anxiety

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<v Speaker 8>about the fact they're not producing enough for junior class submarines.

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<v Speaker 8>So our solution isn't to say, Okay, we're going to

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<v Speaker 8>take them off you. Our solution has to be actually

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<v Speaker 8>we're going to help you build them. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 8>give up on the Orcus, but let's get into that.

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<v Speaker 8>Don't just say, oh, we're going to send you these

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<v Speaker 8>critical minerals and rare earths and you can do it all.

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<v Speaker 8>They've got blockages. I say, Okay, here's our solution. We've

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<v Speaker 8>got e three visas. We can bring people over, you

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<v Speaker 8>train them, We'll set up a maintenance facility in South

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<v Speaker 8>Australia and Henderson and we will deliver. We will help

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<v Speaker 8>you to reach your goals so that we both win.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, drones have changed warfare, so why don't we

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<v Speaker 1>get them instead of submarines. Drones have changed warfare forever.

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<v Speaker 1>In Ukraine, tiny light armed drones have devastated Russia's frontline

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<v Speaker 1>troops and equipment. So why are we building billion dollar

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<v Speaker 1>subs instead of buying underwater drones and long range strike missiles.

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<v Speaker 1>Chief of Navy Vice Admiral Jonathan Meade is.

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<v Speaker 10>Blunt to conflict drones and nuclear powered submarines is to

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<v Speaker 10>completely misunderstand our strategic context. We are the custodians of

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<v Speaker 10>the third largest exclusive economic zone on the planet, and

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<v Speaker 10>with our small navy, that's about five hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 10>square kilometers per sale in the Royal Australian Navy. We're

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<v Speaker 10>a nation that drives our economic well being and there

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<v Speaker 10>for our national security potential from access to the sea.

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<v Speaker 10>Our six hundred and fifty billion dollar a year import

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<v Speaker 10>export economy and the majority of the rest of the

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<v Speaker 10>one point seven trillion dollar annual economy isn't it enabled

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<v Speaker 10>by access to the sea. Either those sea lines are communications, deports, infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 10>or the sixteen seabed cables that connect us to the world.

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<v Speaker 10>We have few existential issues as a nation, but access

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<v Speaker 10>to the sea is absolutely one of those, and none

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<v Speaker 10>of those other technologies can contribute as strongly to assuring

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<v Speaker 10>that access to the sea. As a naval nuclear propulsion program,

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<v Speaker 10>you cannot do the job of one of these submarines

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<v Speaker 10>with one hundred uncrued underwater systems, and frankly, the technology

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<v Speaker 10>at the moment doesn't even allow you to operate those

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<v Speaker 10>in the international waters without assurance of being able to

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<v Speaker 10>avoid a collision, something we're working very hard on. So

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<v Speaker 10>great question. All of those things are in the mix

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<v Speaker 10>of the integrated force that the ADF is developing, but

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<v Speaker 10>the principal capability and likely to determine our success at

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<v Speaker 10>sea in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this program all the smartest minds in defense? Read

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian so to find out how this country is

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<v Speaker 1>going to play a part in the world wars and

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<v Speaker 1>peace of the future. Join us at the Australian dot

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