1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, June seventeen, twenty twenty five. Aaron Patterson created 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: four calculated deceptions and told bald faced lies and that's 4 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: why she should be convicted of deliberately murdering three elderly 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: relatives and attempting to murder a fourth. That's the crown 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: closing in the Mushroom trial, where Patterson has pleaded not guilty. 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: Defense barrister at Colin Mandy sc will make his closing 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: submissions this week. You can follow every Twist live at 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: the Australian dot com dot a U. How to deal 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump? Give him what he wants. That's the 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: advice for Anthony Alberonizi's first face to face meeting with 12 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: the US President on Wednesday, from the President's former golf 13 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: buddy and our former ambassador to the US, Joe Hockey. 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: Plus what the Australian government really thinks about the possibility 15 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: of war with China? What happens if China invades Taiwan? 16 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: Would China attack Australia? Would America defend us? Now we 17 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: have a big clue to what the Australian government doesn't 18 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: say out loud what they are really thinking. 19 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: China's conventional military build up is the most significant military 20 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: build up that we have seen, conventional military build up 21 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: that we have seen since the end of the Second World. 22 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: War, Visa's Defense Minister Richard Miles, speaking at the Australians 23 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: Defending Australia summit in Canberra. 24 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: And it means that Australia's geography today is more relevant 25 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: to great power contests than it has been at any 26 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 3: point since the end of the Second World War, arguably 27 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: at any point in our history. 28 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: A bit later, he said it again. 29 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 4: Our continent is more relevant to great power contest now 30 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 4: than it's ever been before. 31 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: Now, if you read between those lines, what Miles is 32 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: saying is that Australia won't be invaded by China in 33 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: the future. Australia's too big to invade. Our biggest risk 34 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: is being completely isolated by China cutting off our sea 35 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: lanes and undersea communication cables. But what we would be 36 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: doing if war breaks out is hosting American forces in 37 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: an even bigger way than we do now. The rotating 38 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: US bombers at our northern bases, the US marines from 39 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven will have the Submarine Rotational Force West, 40 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: and the US is putting logistics facilities and fuel dumps 41 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: in northern Australia. That means we'd be hosting heavy bombers, 42 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: troops and missile launch sites. And here's why it matters. 43 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 5: Chaos in the air between New Zealand and Australia, forcing 44 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 5: the diversion of forty nine flights when it began a 45 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 5: live fire exercise. 46 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: In March, Chinese warships entered Australian waters, conducting live fire 47 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: exercises and then circumnavigating our coast. 48 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 6: In seas never previously sailed by the Chinese Navy. The 49 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 6: warships are being shadowed by HMAS Stewart and New Zealand 50 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 6: frigate to Kaha. 51 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: At the time, the government said everything was under control. 52 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: Now they admit it was a very ugly moment. At 53 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: the Defending Australia Summer, the Australian's colonist Chris Yulman pressed. 54 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 7: Miles, were they targeting our cities? Were they rehearsing targeting 55 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 7: our cities or any facilities on shore in Australia While 56 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 7: they were doing that, you would know the answer to 57 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 7: that question. 58 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 4: Look, I do know the answer the question. What we 59 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 4: did with the Chinese Task Group was to engage in 60 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 4: an unprecedented level of surveillance of that task group, So 61 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: we do know exactly what they were doing and exactly 62 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 4: what they were rehearsing. 63 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 7: The other thing that was that we were unable to 64 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 7: really keep pace with them because that our fuel supply 65 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 7: ships were in dry dock, won't they So it doesn't 66 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 7: that we're talking about projecting power. We can't even project 67 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 7: power around our own continent. 68 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 4: Well, we did well. We absolutely kept pace with them 69 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 4: the whole way. And I think the ability for us 70 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: to do that throughout the entirety of the period in 71 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 4: which that Task Group was in the vicinity of Australia 72 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 4: sends a very strong message back. 73 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: The Trump administration has announced a thirty day review of 74 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: the Australia US UK Defense Packed ORCUS, and that sent 75 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: a cold chill through everyone in defense. Australia has committed 76 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: to borrow by and then build nuclear powered submarines with 77 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: our allies that Donald Trump hardly seems to have heard 78 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: of the deal signed by Joe Biden. 79 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 3: Are you discussing ORCUS? 80 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 4: With the Prime Minister sub But what does that mean, 81 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: Orcus the Australia US defense. 82 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 8: Line so well, did be discussing that we've had another 83 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 8: great relationship and you have to deal with Australia. 84 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, we've had a very good relationship with Australia. 85 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 9: And now the Pentagon has launched a review of the 86 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 9: orchest defense pack to make sure it's aligned with President 87 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 9: Trump's America First agenda. 88 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: The Australian who knows Trump best is Joe Hockey. He's 89 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: former golf buddy and Australia's former ambassador to the US. 90 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: Hockey joined me on stage at Defending Australia. So with 91 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: that expertise in mind, at all your other expertise, how 92 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: would you handle if you were Anthony Albinezi, his first 93 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: face to face meeting with Donald Trump on Wednesday? What 94 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: would be your opening Gamba? 95 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 8: I'll walk in and say, mister President, you've got a 96 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,559 Speaker 8: war in Ukraine to deal with, You've got a war 97 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 8: in the Middle East to deal with. You're trying to 98 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 8: restructure the biggest economy in the world. You've had a 99 00:05:54,080 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 8: terrible political assassinations in Minnesota. Everyone that may to ask 100 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 8: for something I'm here to say what can I do 101 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 8: to help? Because we're aligned in our interests. We want freedom, 102 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 8: we want democracy, we want a safe world. What can 103 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 8: we do to help? 104 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: Like? What? 105 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 8: So, why not start now? Why are we waiting for 106 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 8: the orchest subs? Start now? In South Australia building various 107 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 8: components of the Virginias and the Columbus. An Australian owned company, 108 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 8: Ostel is already in Alabama building the command centers for 109 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 8: the Virginias and Columbus class submarines. Australian owned company in 110 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 8: Alabama is doing it. And why aren't we walking into 111 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 8: the meeting and saying we're not only giving you a 112 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 8: check for three billion, we're actually on the ground in 113 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 8: Alabama helping you to build your submarines. 114 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 4: Now do you. 115 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: Think this review of ORCAS is going to make any difference? 116 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: Is this just a box taking exercise? 117 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 8: No? No, And there's an ulterior motive. And the ulterior 118 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 8: motive is in the United States there is great anxiety 119 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 8: about the fact they're not producing enough for junior class submarines. 120 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 8: So our solution isn't to say, Okay, we're going to 121 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 8: take them off you. Our solution has to be actually 122 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 8: we're going to help you build them. I'm not saying 123 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 8: give up on the Orcus, but let's get into that. 124 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 8: Don't just say, oh, we're going to send you these 125 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 8: critical minerals and rare earths and you can do it all. 126 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 8: They've got blockages. I say, Okay, here's our solution. We've 127 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 8: got e three visas. We can bring people over, you 128 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 8: train them, We'll set up a maintenance facility in South 129 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 8: Australia and Henderson and we will deliver. We will help 130 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 8: you to reach your goals so that we both win. 131 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: Coming up, drones have changed warfare, so why don't we 132 00:07:50,320 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 1: get them instead of submarines. Drones have changed warfare forever. 133 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: In Ukraine, tiny light armed drones have devastated Russia's frontline 134 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: troops and equipment. So why are we building billion dollar 135 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: subs instead of buying underwater drones and long range strike missiles. 136 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: Chief of Navy Vice Admiral Jonathan Meade is. 137 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 10: Blunt to conflict drones and nuclear powered submarines is to 138 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 10: completely misunderstand our strategic context. We are the custodians of 139 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 10: the third largest exclusive economic zone on the planet, and 140 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 10: with our small navy, that's about five hundred and forty 141 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 10: square kilometers per sale in the Royal Australian Navy. We're 142 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 10: a nation that drives our economic well being and there 143 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 10: for our national security potential from access to the sea. 144 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 10: Our six hundred and fifty billion dollar a year import 145 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 10: export economy and the majority of the rest of the 146 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 10: one point seven trillion dollar annual economy isn't it enabled 147 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 10: by access to the sea. Either those sea lines are communications, deports, infrastructure, 148 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 10: or the sixteen seabed cables that connect us to the world. 149 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 10: We have few existential issues as a nation, but access 150 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 10: to the sea is absolutely one of those, and none 151 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 10: of those other technologies can contribute as strongly to assuring 152 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 10: that access to the sea. As a naval nuclear propulsion program, 153 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 10: you cannot do the job of one of these submarines 154 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 10: with one hundred uncrued underwater systems, and frankly, the technology 155 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 10: at the moment doesn't even allow you to operate those 156 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 10: in the international waters without assurance of being able to 157 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 10: avoid a collision, something we're working very hard on. So 158 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 10: great question. All of those things are in the mix 159 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 10: of the integrated force that the ADF is developing, but 160 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 10: the principal capability and likely to determine our success at 161 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 10: sea in the future. 162 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: Is this program all the smartest minds in defense? Read 163 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: the Australian so to find out how this country is 164 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: going to play a part in the world wars and 165 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: peace of the future. Join us at the Australian dot 166 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: Com dot a U