WEBVTT - Aboriginal boy Cassius Turvey’s murder ‘not about race’

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<v Speaker 1>From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Monday, February seventeen. Three foreign born people with criminal

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<v Speaker 1>convictions will be deported to Nauru under a deal struck

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<v Speaker 1>by Immigration Minister Tony Burke. They're part of a group

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<v Speaker 1>the government has been unable to deport or detain after

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<v Speaker 1>a High Court ruling, despite some having committed violent offenses,

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<v Speaker 1>including murder. Now the government's looking for more deals to

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<v Speaker 1>resettle the remaining two hundred and eighty plus people. Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Alberanezi's approval rating has hit a record low, and a

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<v Speaker 1>majority of voters don't think Labor should be re elected.

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<v Speaker 1>Those newsport figures are exclusively at the Australian dot com

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<v Speaker 1>dou right now. It's a shocking case. A fifteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old na Yamachi boy in his school uniform savagely beaten

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<v Speaker 1>in Perth's suburbs. Cassius Turvy's death was murder according to prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 1>but they say it was not a racially motivated attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Four adults have pleaded not guilty to murdering Cassius in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two. Today, the huge and complex trial underway

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<v Speaker 1>in Western Australia. On October thirteen, twenty twenty two, Cassius Turvy,

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<v Speaker 1>a fifteen year old schoolboy from Perth's Nunga Yamachi community,

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<v Speaker 1>stepped off a bus with a group of friends and

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<v Speaker 1>began the walk home. Within hours, Cassius would be in

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<v Speaker 1>hospital with lacerations and two brain bleeds. Ten days later

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<v Speaker 1>he was dead. Vigils were held around Australia and overseas

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<v Speaker 1>for cassius.

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<v Speaker 2>One tragic death uniting the community. There were fifteen five

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<v Speaker 2>pits at the ceremony, one to mark each year of

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<v Speaker 2>Cassius Turvey's life. Cassius's mother has called for unity, not division.

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<v Speaker 3>Do not use my son's tragedy as a platform to

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<v Speaker 3>blow your trumpets.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, a ten week trial is underway with four adults

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<v Speaker 1>accused of Cassius's murder. All the accused are non Indigenous,

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<v Speaker 1>but prosecutor Ben Stanwick's sc told the jury their alleged

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<v Speaker 1>attack on an Aboriginal child was not about race.

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<v Speaker 4>The prosecutor's been very clear to the jury that this

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<v Speaker 4>was not a racially motivated crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Page Tailor's, the Australian's Indigenous Affairs correspondent and she's covering

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<v Speaker 1>the trial.

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<v Speaker 4>He has told them you are going to hear some

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<v Speaker 4>racially tainted language, and as an example, he said black this,

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<v Speaker 4>black that. But the jury has been told it will

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<v Speaker 4>be wrong for them to believe that Cassius was targeted

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<v Speaker 4>because he was Aboriginal.

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<v Speaker 1>Stanwicks told the jury there had been claims the incident

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<v Speaker 1>was racially motivated, but anyone who said that had not

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<v Speaker 1>heard or seen one shred of evidence. That message was

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<v Speaker 1>echoed by the defense for at least one of the accused,

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<v Speaker 1>who said any suggestion this was a race crime was misinformed,

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<v Speaker 1>ill advised and misguided. Murder is a Supreme Court matter

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<v Speaker 1>in Western Australia, and this is being heard by the

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<v Speaker 1>States Chief Justice Peter Quinlan. But this trial is being

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<v Speaker 1>heard in one of the state's modern court rooms, in

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<v Speaker 1>the District Court.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a very large room. I can see ten lawyers

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<v Speaker 4>there every day and they are up the front near

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<v Speaker 4>the Chief Justice Peter Quinlan. The five accused in the

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<v Speaker 4>dock facing the jury, who are on the other side

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<v Speaker 4>of the room. The public galleri has been pretty full

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<v Speaker 4>at times, and in fact the public gallery has been

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<v Speaker 4>so full at times that the media goes to a

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<v Speaker 4>media room where they can see what's going on from

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<v Speaker 4>a screen.

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<v Speaker 1>They accused are Jack Briley and Alisia Gilmore, both twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>along with twenty six year old Mitchell Fourth and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine year old Brodie Palmer. Each has their own lawyers,

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<v Speaker 1>and Brodie Palmer is represented by former Commonwealth Attorney General

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Porter. They've all pleaded not guilty, but this case

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<v Speaker 1>is full of twists and turns, including two of the

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<v Speaker 1>men in the dock pointing the finger at one another.

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<v Speaker 4>All the jury has been told the story of how

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<v Speaker 4>Cassiers came to be murdered is remarkable for the way

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<v Speaker 4>that his death was the endpoint of a series of

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<v Speaker 4>events that had absolutely nothing to do with him.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, according to the Crown, it's a tangled story

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<v Speaker 1>of teenage love and mistaken identity.

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<v Speaker 4>The prosecutor Ben Stanwick sc has told the jury that

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<v Speaker 4>the genesis of this in fact a dispute between Alisha

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<v Speaker 4>Gilmore's much younger brother. He was a fourteen year old

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<v Speaker 4>boy at the time and he was dating a girl

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<v Speaker 4>who had previously dated another boy around the same age,

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<v Speaker 4>and the prosecutors telling the jury keep in mind when

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<v Speaker 4>we say dating. These are fourteen year olds who had

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<v Speaker 4>been seeing each other for a matter of days. So

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<v Speaker 4>there was some tension apparently between this fourteen year old

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<v Speaker 4>boy and the other boy who had previously dated his girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 4>and this tension is alleged to have triggered a series

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<v Speaker 4>of disputes. The boy's older sister is Alisha Gilmore, the

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<v Speaker 4>girlfriend of Jack Brieley, and somehow they became involved in

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<v Speaker 4>this dispute which appears to have got bigger and escalated.

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<v Speaker 4>At one point, Jack Brealley's windows were smashed, and on

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<v Speaker 4>the day that Cassius was attacked, the prosecution says Jack

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<v Speaker 4>Breally was looking looking for revenge for his broken windows.

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<v Speaker 1>The jury heard really had said this. We've used a

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<v Speaker 1>voice actor to bring you the words read aloud to

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<v Speaker 1>the jury, allegedly spoken by Jack Brealley.

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<v Speaker 4>Somebody smashed my car windows.

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<v Speaker 3>They're about to die.

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<v Speaker 1>What the Crown is attempting to show the jury is

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<v Speaker 1>an escalating series of violent events. Four days before Cassius

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<v Speaker 1>was beaten, the Crown says Jack Mitchell fourth and another man,

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<v Speaker 1>Ethan Mackenzie, were involved in an assault on another fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old boy.

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<v Speaker 4>They say that three men that's Jack Brealley, Mitchell fourth

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<v Speaker 4>and Ethan mackenzie were driving around looking to find some

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<v Speaker 4>kids who had been making threats online. It was all

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<v Speaker 4>part of what the prosecution said were petty grievances. And

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<v Speaker 4>the prosecution says that on that day, four days before

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<v Speaker 4>Cassius was attacked, they did find a boy, Cassius, age fifteen.

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<v Speaker 4>They weren't looking for Cassius, they were looking for kids

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<v Speaker 4>that had been involved in this dispute, and the prosecution

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<v Speaker 4>claims that they deprived this boy of his liberty. Driving

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<v Speaker 4>around in the car, the jury saw some CCTV footage

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<v Speaker 4>which appeared to show three large figures dragging and kicking

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<v Speaker 4>and attacking this boy, and the prosecution says, that's Jack Breeley,

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<v Speaker 4>that's Mitchell fourth, and that's Ethan McKenzie delivering some rough

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<v Speaker 4>justice onto this child.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when someone tried to intervene a local man

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<v Speaker 1>who saw this alleged attack unfolding.

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<v Speaker 4>The CCTV that was played to the jury shows in

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<v Speaker 4>the middle of this scene, a sixty eight year old

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<v Speaker 4>man comes out of his own home. He sees what's

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<v Speaker 4>going on, and his name's Reginald Burgess. The jury has

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<v Speaker 4>been told and Reginald Burgess says to this group of

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<v Speaker 4>men who are attacking a child, get out of here, police,

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<v Speaker 4>and you can hear a male voice saying back to

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<v Speaker 4>mister Burgess, get out of it, dog walk away.

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<v Speaker 1>The Crown says, at some point during this alleged attack,

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<v Speaker 1>the group realized they'd got the wrong kid, that whomever

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<v Speaker 1>they were looking for it wasn't him.

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<v Speaker 4>This kid had nothing to do with the group they

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<v Speaker 4>were looking for, and they allegedly took him home, cleaned

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<v Speaker 4>him up a bit, and gave him a Nintendo switch

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<v Speaker 4>and a pair of shoes and tried to smooth things over.

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<v Speaker 1>Ethan Mackenzie, Jack Breally, and Mitchell Fourth are accused of

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<v Speaker 1>assaulting this boy, and Brealley's girlfriend, Alicia Gilmore is accused

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<v Speaker 1>of detaining the boy. They've all pleaded not guilty to

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<v Speaker 1>all charges coming up. After the break, the accused men

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<v Speaker 1>turn on one another. Any trial with five accused is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be complicated and detailed. The jury will have

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<v Speaker 1>to absorb a lot of evidence before they retire to

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<v Speaker 1>deliberate on their verdict, and part of that complexity is

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<v Speaker 1>that four people are charged with Cassius's murder, even though

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<v Speaker 1>only one is alleged to have struck him with a

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<v Speaker 1>metal pole.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the prosecution says only Jack really struck the blows,

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<v Speaker 4>but the other three are guilty of murder because of

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<v Speaker 4>their roles on the day. They say that his friend

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<v Speaker 4>Mitchell fourth is guilty of murder, and they say that

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<v Speaker 4>Brodie is too, because they were there on the day

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<v Speaker 4>and met the criteria for murder, which does not require

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<v Speaker 4>the person to have actually struck any blows. They need

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<v Speaker 4>to have shared a common purpose. For example, Jack b

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<v Speaker 4>Really was the twenty one year old who had done

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<v Speaker 4>a shift earlier that day at his job as a paver,

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<v Speaker 4>But according to the prosecution, him and his friends and

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<v Speaker 4>his girlfriend at the time line had been involving themselves

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<v Speaker 4>in the disputes of local children, and according to the prosecution,

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<v Speaker 4>Jack was extremely angry that his car windows had been broken.

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<v Speaker 4>This was allegedly part of these ongoing disputes involving local kids,

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<v Speaker 4>and he set out, according to the prosecution, to hurt

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<v Speaker 4>someone that day, and that's when he is alleged to

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<v Speaker 4>have come across this group of children.

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<v Speaker 1>Glimpses of Bally have popped up in witness testimony in

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<v Speaker 1>the trials first few days, with young people telling the

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<v Speaker 1>court they saw brilliant a car pulling up and asking

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<v Speaker 1>where a particular group of young boys was in the

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<v Speaker 1>days before the attack on Cassius. One young witness told

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<v Speaker 1>the court really said to us if we were lying,

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to smash our heads. In what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think will be the defense of Jack Breally?

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<v Speaker 4>So far we've heard from Simon Waters, the very senior

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<v Speaker 4>defense lawyer for mister Breeley, and he has said that

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<v Speaker 4>it was not Jack really at all that hit Cassius

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<v Speaker 4>that day. It was Brody Palmer, who was twenty seven

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<v Speaker 4>at the time, and that man was his friend back then,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're sitting in the dock together pointing the finger

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<v Speaker 4>at one another.

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<v Speaker 1>What has said his client, Jack Brealley, chased Cassius into

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<v Speaker 1>bushland and that Cassius was armed with a knife. What

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<v Speaker 1>has said Cassius slashed Breeley's leg about three times? What

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<v Speaker 1>has said really punched Cassius but then watched as Brody

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<v Speaker 1>Palmer hit Cassius with a metal pole. Breally's case is that,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, he yelled at Brody Palmer to stop. Brially

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<v Speaker 1>says Palmer then threatened him, saying Brilly and his girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>would be dead and in body bags if they told

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<v Speaker 1>anyone what had happened. Brody Palmer's represented by Christian Porter,

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<v Speaker 1>the former Attorney General. He's now practicing as a barrister.

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<v Speaker 1>What's Christian Porter saying in Brodie Palmer's defense?

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<v Speaker 4>Will Mister Porter has addressed the jury and he's told

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<v Speaker 4>them this is a tragedy. This is the story of

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<v Speaker 4>a beautiful fifteen year old boy who had his life

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<v Speaker 4>cut short in the most disgusting of circumstances. And then

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<v Speaker 4>he went on to say that his own client had

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<v Speaker 4>behaved appallingly on that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a voice actor reading the words spoken in court

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<v Speaker 1>by Christian Porter.

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<v Speaker 3>At no point will I try to put any lipstick

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<v Speaker 3>on the pig of my client's atrocious behavior. He was

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<v Speaker 3>behaving in an utterly and totally appalling way, but he

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<v Speaker 3>did not strike Cassius Turvy.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's telling the jury that while his client did

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<v Speaker 4>some things that were appalling and there are no excuses,

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<v Speaker 4>he's not guilty of murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Porter said vis of Jack Breally, the man the

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<v Speaker 1>Crown says is the real attacker.

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<v Speaker 3>He is pointing the finger at his former friend to

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<v Speaker 3>save his own skin. This is the desperate act of

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<v Speaker 3>someone who had proved to be a thug, a bully

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<v Speaker 3>and a coward.

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