WEBVTT - Sharri | 28 May 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:12.080 Show good evening, And wow, did anyone watch that without 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:17.520 tearing up, without becoming very emotional at these shocking times. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:22.680 That was a powerful and brilliant piece of documentary journalism. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.480 And even though we're living through this and we're watching 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.960 the anti Semitism unfold on a daily basis, we're sit 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.600 here each night horrified at what has happened that day, 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.400 just seeing it all, seeing all the horrible racism over 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.839 the past eight months now laid out like that as 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:44.640 Josh Fridenberg so clearly laid it out. Seeing young Jewish 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:49.479 business owners suffer, seeing school children unable to play sport, 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:51.560 it all. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:53.680 Just hits home. It is devastating. 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:54.480 Now. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:59.920 Josh Fridenberg tonight deserves huge congratulations, Anne heartfelt thanks for 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.360 giving months and months of his time and his enormous 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:08.840 energy into putting this documentary together and in putting the 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.840 issue of anti Semitism at the very center of our 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.080 public debate. I mean, we just saw his incredible interviews 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:23.000 with Peter Dutton, John Howard, Dennis richardson Nova Paris, and 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:28.640 especially Julia Gillard. But to me, one of the most 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.960 powerful things from that documentary was the message of warning 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:37.240 from the Holocaust survivors who've lived through the worst evil 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:42.639 humanity has ever seen. Well, their warning should make every 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:47.520 politician in this country, and especially the Prime Minister, take 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.120 a long, hard look in the mirror. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.520 They need to ask themselves what more they can. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.920 Do to deal with this explosion in racism against Jews. 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:00.840 And look, someone messaged me it's just a moment ago 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.640 and I completely agree that this documentary needs to be 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.400 shown at every school in the country. It should be 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:12.519 compulsory viewing for the Greens Party, for university chancellors and 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:17.320 for those ill informed students on campus. Josh Fridenberg, I 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.200 just have to say we applaud you and we thank you, 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:25.240 and I'm sure thousands of us cried with you tonight. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.600 And I also have to say, as a Jewish Australian, 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:35.560 a huge thank you to my bosses here on Sky News. 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:40.120 It was just so emotional watching that support. We'd Ocur, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.520 the Sky News Chief Executive and Mark Calvert, the director 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.839 of Programming, for supporting this important documentary, for supporting Josh 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:52.880 Fridenberg's enormous effort. It means more to Jewish Australians than 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.760 we can ever say. Now Josh is going to be 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.359 on the Late Debate tonight, so stay with Sky throughout 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.959 the evening and if you want to watch that documentary, 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.840 gain it's available on foxtail or on our skynews dot 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.160 com dot Au app. And there are also longer extended 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.480 interviews from the documentary, So if you want to see 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.920 the full interviews with Julia Gillard or Peter Cosgrove, that's 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.440 now on our website and the app for subscribers. 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.160 And I'm going to come back to the documentary. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.600 I want to discuss some of the most powerful moments 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.640 from Josh's documentary with my panel Bronwin Bishop and Steve 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.640 Price in just a moment. 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.079 But first I. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.400 Do want to get to and I do want to 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.680 cover the scandal that is in broiling Channel nine and 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:37.640 its executives. 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:39.640 Now, this is big news. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.640 The nine network has confirmed tonight that one of their 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:48.160 TV stars confided in a board director that negative stories 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.520 about her were being leaked to the press by her 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:56.480 own bosses during dragged out contract negotiations. Nine has also 0:03:56.520 --> 0:04:00.360 revealed that the director did not raise the complaint with 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:04.080 the board and instead spoke to senior management at nine 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.280 to address the issue. This is the latest revelation about 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.640 the TV company, which is engulfed in a growing scandal 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:16.400 surrounding sacked nine News boss Darren Wick. Now it's understood 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:20.760 the presenter, who's a well recognized face, called the director 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.640 for advice. In twenty twenty, The star's lawyer also spoke 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.279 with the director in a separate conversation. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.080 Nine has confirmed that concerns. 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:36.280 About her contract negotiations, delays and leaks. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.480 Were raised in the phone call. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.719 Now the presenter told me, and I quote, I was 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:47.160 ringing the director because I was so mortified that confidential 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:51.960 conversations were being leaked and mythstruths were being written. I 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:53.080 remember saying. 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.120 This is not my fault. 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.640 I've done nothing wrong, and I'm getting these awful things 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:58.520 written about me. 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.360 It was really stressing. I saw it as bullying. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.400 The on air star had previously told us at Sky 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.600 that she spoke to the director about how the culture 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.480 was affecting her mental health and her reputation. 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:13.840 She said, I. 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.159 Once spoke in confidence to a board member expressing my 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:21.440 desperation that my own bosses were planting lies that were 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:25.880 incredibly damaging to my reputation and affecting my mental health. 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.039 She said, there was no assistance provided to the network 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.960 to source the leaks, stamp out the toxic behavior, or 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:37.839 change the culture. She said, after board level, there's nowhere 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.200 to go, and I was fearful of losing my job. 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.880 And describing the culture that she experienced, the star said 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:52.440 planting stories was commonplace during contract negotiations as a way 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:57.760 of diminishing talent and bullying them into submission. Management would 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.680 then gaslight you, saying they had no idea how confidential 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:06.280 details that only a few were privy to were leaked. 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:11.000 The presenter was emotional and tearful as she spoke about 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.520 the desperation she felt when she made that phone call 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.240 to the director, and she was left. 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.920 With the impression that the issues would be dealt with. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:20.880 She said. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:25.320 The director was sympathetic and was appalled and horrified at 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.719 the culture that she had detailed. The director also agreed 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.600 to take a phone call from the presenter's lawyer, and 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.880 her lawyer confirmed to me today that he had a 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:40.360 conversation with the director about the challenges being experienced by 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:46.520 the on air presenter. Now the director has also confirmed 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.880 that the star had been very upset and that they 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.440 had been sympathetic to her complaint and that the issue 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.440 of the damaging leaks had been raised in the context 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:01.200 of contract negotiations. It is believed that the director referred 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.640 the complaint about the delays in the contract negotiations to 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.320 senior management at nine and asked them to promptly and 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.400 fairly deal with the matter, which was resolved to the 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.440 satisfaction of the presenter, who said she did not hear 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:16.880 from the director again. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:18.000 Now. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.480 The director denied that the presenter had raised a wider 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.840 cultural problem at the network or any specific toxic behavior. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.400 Sources close to Nine claim that the complaint by their 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:35.480 major star and her lawyer were not raised at board level, 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:40.520 because Nine says it was not a board matter. It's 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.080 understood that the director raised the issues at the nine 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.880 management level. As I mentioned now, there is a slight 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.400 difference in the version of events between the on air 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.920 presenter and the board director Separately. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:54.560 The presenter had, also. 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.520 Like many other women at nine, had to put up 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:01.720 with being allegedly groped by Darren Wick at the Logis 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:05.000 after party in twenty nineteen. She said of Wick and 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.679 I quote on the dance floor at the Gold Coast 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:11.600 Logis after party, he was gropy. He had his hands everywhere, 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.600 breathing heavily in my ear. I had to peel him 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.720 off me. Any other man I might have kicked or pushed, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.760 but he was my boss. It was commonplace for him 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.680 to drink heavily it functions, and he would often get 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.239 in women's personal space. 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:27.960 We were revolted by him. 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.680 Now the presenter Ansky News do not suggest that the 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:37.160 presenter raised complaints of sexual harassment or handsy behavior with 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.320 the director. We are not suggesting the director was made 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.720 aware of any allegations of harassment or the toxic culture 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.559 he presided over where women were frozen out or ignored. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.719 But Wick has been accused of a series of instances 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.960 of sexual harassment by Brave female staff. He left the 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:02.280 company in March citing exhaustion, taking with him a payout 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:06.480 in the high six figures. The Australian Financial Review Today 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:11.520 published at fresh allegations about the culture at STAN under 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:13.160 nine CEO Mike. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.840 Sneezeby, who was then chief executive at. 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:20.040 STAN and I can tell you there was enormous shock 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.880 throughout senior levels at nine Today that the chair Peter 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:29.079 Costello and the Communications director Victoria Bucken had been seen 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:34.240 to throw Mike Sneezeby under the bus by publicly blaming 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:39.320 him for physically signing off on Darrenwick's payment. It was 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:44.760 today the talk of the industry. Multiple sources interpreted the 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.160 move as Costello trying to save his position as chair 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.480 and to allow Sneezeby to take the fall for the 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:55.760 crisis in golfing nine And make no mistake, the board 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.160 does still have questions to answer about why a six 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.160 figure payout was given to darren Wick despite the known 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:10.040 legal action over allegations of inappropriate behavior. Now also coming 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.240 up on the show tonight, labor on the back foot 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.839 as Parliament resumes today with more revelations of child rapists 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.800 given the green light to stay in Australia thanks to 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:24.400 Immigration Minister Andrew Giles. Plus one defense expert says we 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.800 are woefully unprepared for war amid reports China is bullying 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:33.800 Australian MPs and how vaping ads targeting teens could actually 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:38.040 be a front for criminals peddling hardcore drugs. Will Crime 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.040 reporter Mike Murray would join me later in the hour, 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.559 but now let's return to Josh Fridenberg's documentary and if 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.040 you've been tuned into Sky News for the last hours. 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:48.720 I hope you have. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.600 You would have watched his brilliant documentary Never Again the 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:58.400 Fight against Anti Semitism. Now, the whole documentary was extraordinary, 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.040 but I particularly want to highlight what former Prime Minister 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.480 Julia Gillard said, have a listen. 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.640 So, I think a lot of what is going on 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:12.560 today is a distortion of history from social media. It's 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:17.720 a misunderstanding about how Israel came into existence, It's a 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.960 misunderstanding about the nature of the conflict. And because of that, 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:26.800 I think particularly young people are developing views about this 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:31.360 which are unbalanced and really not informed by the history 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:32.000 in any way. 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.480 All right, let's bring in my panel tonight, Sky News 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.400 host Steve Price and Fromer Speaker of the House, Ron 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:43.559 and Bishop. Are welcome to you both, Bronwin, starting with you. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.720 I think those are really strong comments from Julia Gillard, 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.160 and she was incredible in that documentary. But you know, 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:54.480 the comment about the younger generation and how they're being 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.000 led astray on this appetite of racism. 0:11:58.040 --> 0:11:59.079 What did you think about that? 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.400 I thought she came across so much stronger than the 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:09.720 current Prime minister, that the comparison just shamed Albanizi, I think. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:14.000 And when she said the words that Germany didn't go 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:18.800 from being a so called normal nation to crematoriums and 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:23.480 gas chambers in the wink of an eye. She pointed 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:27.679 out how allowing anti Semitism to grow and become as 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:31.960 it did, embraced by all of Germany, that allowed all 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.760 of that to happen was such a strong message. And 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.000 the other strong message came from Peter Cosgo when he 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:43.120 said Hitler would be proud, yes, because what's happening now. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:48.200 They are the inheritors of Hitler's policies. And it came 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:53.360 via that Grand Mulfi of Jerusalem, who was Hitler's ally, 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.640 who wanted to be the head of a Palestinian state 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:02.000 and fought against the establishment Israel all those years and 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.280 kept it up. So it was a very powerful documentary. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:12.280 It was full of the most excruciating to watch. It 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:17.319 was particularly people who had suffered through it and survived 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:18.800 to see it happen again. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.840 Absolutely, And you know, it's the sort of project that 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.679 you think that ABC would have done, the public broadcaster, 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.560 the fact they haven't examined anti Semitism seriously, and that 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.520 it's Sky News that has given the commitment to this project. Well, 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.040 it's something I'm proud of as working for sky News, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.800 but I think it's appalling as an Australian taxpayer. Steve Price, 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:39.920 what do you think, Well, you know what, for you 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.240 was one of the most powerful or emotional moments from 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:44.480 Josh's documentary. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.080 Well, congratulations to everyone involved. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:49.959 It's one of the most. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.520 Powerful pieces of documentary TV I've seen in a very 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.600 long time, and I've seen plenty of them. I think 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.199 what I took out of it is Josh Frodenberg has 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:03.520 been very sick, seriously affected, like most Jews in Australia 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.199 by what's happened since October seven, and I think putting 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:11.199 together so many examples of the anti Semitism that has 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:15.839 exploded across Australia that is going to shock all non 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.360 Jews who watched that show tonight. And I agree with 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.920 you that it should be shown widely in schools and universities. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.760 But like Bromin, when you see those Holocaust survivors who 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.240 have come to Australia, many of them as young people, 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:32.160 they were children during World War Two. For them, you 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.880 can just see the horror on their faces, because they're 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.280 the ones that know how bad it was back in 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:43.800 the nineteen thirties and they, in their wildest nightmares, would 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:48.280 never have thought that in twenty twenty four you would 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.400 have seen this in Australia. I know how emotional you 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.400 are about it. Chari is an Australian Jew. I think 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:59.720 for non Jewish people who watched that tonight, none of 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.200 us and understand what the young people of this country, 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.880 and they are predominantly young, who are in these pro 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.480 Palestine rallies, what the hell they think they're doing. 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.680 And I do think it's very comforting and I strongly 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.160 believe this that mainstream Australians, you know, hate what's going on. 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.040 They hate the lack of leadership over this. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.280 Now moving on, at ABC board members. 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:25.960 Have held crisis discussions after their star political correspondent Laura 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.440 Tingle's comments that Australians are all racist and that Peter 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:35.560 Dutton is you know, driving racism will this drew national condemnation. Yesterday, 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.240 The Australian newspaper reports that it's possible a meeting will 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.040 be brought forward from June to discuss the. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.240 Pr damage that she's caused. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:45.760 Bronwin. 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.920 Look, the ABC is also set to face set it 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.320 estimates on Thursday, so you'd expect that this issue will 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:51.880 be raised. 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:56.360 Certainly, absolutely, and I think they need to take a 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.760 good look at the charter once again and the obligations 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:04.080 of directors. They have a responsibility to do something about this, 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:06.760 and the fact that Laura Tingle is a member of 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.880 that board means that she'll have to recuse herself from 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.160 attending that board meeting so that they can take action. 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.200 I agreed with the statement that Peter Dutton made. How 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:21.000 can she possibly be the main commentator on the forthcoming 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.320 election with any degree of impartiality at all. She is 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:30.960 totally and utterly biased and locked into a position which 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.480 is not in conformity with the charter, and the directors 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:38.960 have an obligation under the Corporation's Act, the ABC Act, 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.080 to do something about it. The problem is, of course, 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.320 that the Act provides that you can't take them to 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.840 court to make them do it. I'd remove those provisions. 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:49.000 No, exactly. 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.960 Look, the point is, fine, have an opinion, but then 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:53.480 don't be an impartial journalist. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.080 Have an opinion, show absolutely like I do at the 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:56.760 moment here. 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.440 Now, defense policy expert Paul Dibb has painted a grim 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:05.720 picture of Australia's security, claiming that we're underprepared for potential threats. 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.359 He said in an interview with The Odds that the 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:13.080 gap between government promises and actual delivery anytime soon means 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.280 we are saddled with a peacetime ADF about the same 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.840 size as it was thirty eight years ago, and with 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:26.399 no real capacity to expand quickly. Steve, Look, this is 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.440 an indictment on both sides of politics really, because we're 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:33.680 only in this position because successive governments haven't invested properly 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:35.280 in our defense. 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.120 One hundred percent. I mean both sides that are blame. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.439 This is an a job problem. It's not something that 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.200 has just happened under this government or even the previous 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:48.520 Morrison turbul governments. It's happened forever. The one of the 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.359 stats that stood out today, Shari, which I found really 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.720 would cheat at home to people. The entire numbers in 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:01.679 the Australian Defense Force would only fill half of the MCG, 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.680 which has a seating capacity of around one hundred and 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:08.199 five thousand people. So we've got sixty thousand in total 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.119 in our defense force. They don't have the right equipment. 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.800 We don't have the submarines and the first of the subs, 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.600 the new sub's not going to be here till twenty 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.280 thirty five. Ships are not going to be here till 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.119 the end of the decade. We have aging aircraft. We 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.119 don't have young people who are putting their hands up 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.920 to join the defense force. We are completely underprepared. Paul 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.879 Dibbs one hundred percent right. But Jim Molan was saying 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.160 this when he was alive, and he wrote a book 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:38.560 about it which everyone should read. The governments don't seem 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.000 to want to have anything to do with this. It's 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.480 just crazy stuff. I just hope Peter Dutton and the 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:47.160 lead up to the election, you know lazy's promises out 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.359 very clearly and puts money against them so that we 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.479 can actually defend this country if we need to. 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.399 And this is the scary thing, Briannwhan, is that you know, 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:59.200 we're seeing an increasingly aggressive China. We're seeing so much 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.320 volatility in different parts of the world, and the truth 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.840 is Australia does need the US to help defend us. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.960 We couldn't defend ourselves from an attack from China. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:10.960 You know, God forbid, it doesn't happen. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:15.800 Absolutely true. But that's why I've been so disappointed that 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.960 Miles has been allowed to get away with this statement 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.080 or we're giving more money for defense. The promise is 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:28.320 for fifty billion in ten years time, five point seven 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:32.400 billion at the end of the forward estimates. That's four 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.960 years away before a penny is spent. The rod really 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.359 began when we built the frigates, the Anzac class frigates, 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.440 and we built them for but not with so they 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.760 didn't have many almaments on them. And I when I 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:51.840 was Defense Industry Minister, made a statement in a particular 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:56.359 speech that said we've made excellent floating targets. Well that 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.439 really caused us. But to give how it is credit 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:04.760 only defense was spared cuts in that first year, the 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:09.280 first term of government, and we did increase spending. Now 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.200 things have gone on since then, but there has been 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:16.480 in this government a complete failure. Paul Dibb's quite right, 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.280 and I knew Paul given those years, and Paul Dibb 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:23.280 is quite right that this government has no stomach for 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.960 increasing the effectiveness of our defense force. 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.920 But we needed to order equipment long ago. 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.200 I mean we order it now we have a long 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.960 range missiles decade, two decades. It's going to take a 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.040 long time, all right, Grodman, Bishop and Steve Price, thank 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:39.840 you both so much for your time tonight. Now coming off, 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:44.480 Immigration Minister Foster front Parliament today after failing to keep 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.560 the community safe from criminals. 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:48.679 I'll discuss this after the break. 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:57.080 Welcome back now to the topic that dominated question time 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.160 today and it was certainly heated. 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:01.679 Been revealed that three. 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.159 Child rapists were allowed to stay in Australia under the 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.880 so called Direction ninety nine that was issued by Andrew 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:10.920 Giles in January last year. 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:12.760 Now, in at least one. 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:16.880 Of these cases, deportation was avoided because of a factor 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.800 in Direction ninety nine, which means the strength of a 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:23.800 person's ties to Australia can help revoke the cancelation of 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:27.639 their visa. It's a clause that's been used by dozens 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:31.840 of serious offenders to help them stay in Australia under 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:36.199 Andrew Giles as minister. Now the opposition is arguing that 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.439 at once this direction torn up and they say the 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.840 Immigration Minister needs to be sacked as a result. 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.200 The Alberzi Labor government's wading down of the law has 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:49.720 allowed this criminal to stay in Australia, making our country 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:53.199 less safe. When will the Alberdesi Labor government apologize for 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.240 this catastrophic mistake in reverse Direction ninety nine? 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.800 Our thoughts there, of course with the victims in this case, 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.520 and in saying that, of course, community safety remains our 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:06.879 highest priority as a government. I remind the lead of 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:09.520 the Opposition in all members that this was a visa 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.960 that was canceled and remain canceled by my department in 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:17.720 line with Ministerial Direction ninety nine. I believe that it's 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.120 a decision that should still be canceled, and I advised 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:23.320 the House also that I have prioritized a number of 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:25.920 cases for urgent cancelation consideration. 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:30.719 A National's leader, David little Proud joins me. Now, David, 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:34.120 thank you for your time. So the argument is around 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:40.040 this measure, this factor in the Immigration Minister's powers. That mean, 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:44.040 if someone's ties to Australia are strong enough, so not 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:48.760 necessarily citizenship, but ties to Australia. It seems it doesn't 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:52.520 actually matter how bad their crimes are, they're protected from 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:53.280 being deported. 0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:54.480 Is that right? 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.400 And what exactly do you want changed here? 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:01.320 Well, this was added and this is an important aspect 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:04.680 to understand. This was added to give weighted the same 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:08.560 weight as that of the severity of the crime, the 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:10.639 fact that they may have been in this country for 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.560 many years. And it was a concession given by Anthony Albanesi. 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.320 So it's not just Andrew Giles that the blame needs 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:19.440 to sit at the feet of. It's also Anthony Albanesi 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:23.320 in the deal that he cut with Justine Adern, the 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:27.520 former New Zealand Prime Minister, in allowing Kiwis to stay 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.719 here that had criminal pass and it was all about 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:34.440 appeasing New Zealand rather than keeping Australian safe. And by 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:38.439 giving that extra waiting and giving it equality in waiting 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:42.160 to the other four criteria has meant that these anomalies 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.080 have allowed to happen where Australians have been put at 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:48.400 risk and horrific crimes have in some cases allegedly still 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:51.120 to take in case others have been proven. And it's 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:53.879 something that we believe should be torn up. This is 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:58.000 something that is just another layer of a litany of 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:01.080 errors that this minister and this has made, whether it 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:03.840