Speaker 1: Show good evening, And wow, did anyone watch that without
Speaker 1: tearing up, without becoming very emotional at these shocking times.
Speaker 1: That was a powerful and brilliant piece of documentary journalism.
Speaker 1: And even though we're living through this and we're watching
Speaker 1: the anti Semitism unfold on a daily basis, we're sit
Speaker 1: here each night horrified at what has happened that day,
Speaker 1: just seeing it all, seeing all the horrible racism over
Speaker 1: the past eight months now laid out like that as
Speaker 1: Josh Fridenberg so clearly laid it out. Seeing young Jewish
Speaker 1: business owners suffer, seeing school children unable to play sport,
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 2: Just hits home. It is devastating.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Josh Fridenberg tonight deserves huge congratulations, Anne heartfelt thanks for
Speaker 1: giving months and months of his time and his enormous
Speaker 1: energy into putting this documentary together and in putting the
Speaker 1: issue of anti Semitism at the very center of our
Speaker 1: public debate. I mean, we just saw his incredible interviews
Speaker 1: with Peter Dutton, John Howard, Dennis richardson Nova Paris, and
Speaker 1: especially Julia Gillard. But to me, one of the most
Speaker 1: powerful things from that documentary was the message of warning
Speaker 1: from the Holocaust survivors who've lived through the worst evil
Speaker 1: humanity has ever seen. Well, their warning should make every
Speaker 1: politician in this country, and especially the Prime Minister, take
Speaker 1: a long, hard look in the mirror.
Speaker 4: They need to ask themselves what more they can.
Speaker 1: Do to deal with this explosion in racism against Jews.
Speaker 1: And look, someone messaged me it's just a moment ago
Speaker 1: and I completely agree that this documentary needs to be
Speaker 1: shown at every school in the country. It should be
Speaker 1: compulsory viewing for the Greens Party, for university chancellors and
Speaker 1: for those ill informed students on campus. Josh Fridenberg, I
Speaker 1: just have to say we applaud you and we thank you,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure thousands of us cried with you tonight.
Speaker 1: And I also have to say, as a Jewish Australian,
Speaker 1: a huge thank you to my bosses here on Sky News.
Speaker 1: It was just so emotional watching that support. We'd Ocur,
Speaker 1: the Sky News Chief Executive and Mark Calvert, the director
Speaker 1: of Programming, for supporting this important documentary, for supporting Josh
Speaker 1: Fridenberg's enormous effort. It means more to Jewish Australians than
Speaker 1: we can ever say. Now Josh is going to be
Speaker 1: on the Late Debate tonight, so stay with Sky throughout
Speaker 1: the evening and if you want to watch that documentary,
Speaker 1: gain it's available on foxtail or on our skynews dot
Speaker 1: com dot Au app. And there are also longer extended
Speaker 1: interviews from the documentary, So if you want to see
Speaker 1: the full interviews with Julia Gillard or Peter Cosgrove, that's
Speaker 1: now on our website and the app for subscribers.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to come back to the documentary.
Speaker 1: I want to discuss some of the most powerful moments
Speaker 1: from Josh's documentary with my panel Bronwin Bishop and Steve
Speaker 1: Price in just a moment.
Speaker 4: But first I.
Speaker 1: Do want to get to and I do want to
Speaker 1: cover the scandal that is in broiling Channel nine and
Speaker 1: its executives.
Speaker 4: Now, this is big news.
Speaker 1: The nine network has confirmed tonight that one of their
Speaker 1: TV stars confided in a board director that negative stories
Speaker 1: about her were being leaked to the press by her
Speaker 1: own bosses during dragged out contract negotiations. Nine has also
Speaker 1: revealed that the director did not raise the complaint with
Speaker 1: the board and instead spoke to senior management at nine
Speaker 1: to address the issue. This is the latest revelation about
Speaker 1: the TV company, which is engulfed in a growing scandal
Speaker 1: surrounding sacked nine News boss Darren Wick. Now it's understood
Speaker 1: the presenter, who's a well recognized face, called the director
Speaker 1: for advice. In twenty twenty, The star's lawyer also spoke
Speaker 1: with the director in a separate conversation.
Speaker 4: Nine has confirmed that concerns.
Speaker 1: About her contract negotiations, delays and leaks.
Speaker 4: Were raised in the phone call.
Speaker 1: Now the presenter told me, and I quote, I was
Speaker 1: ringing the director because I was so mortified that confidential
Speaker 1: conversations were being leaked and mythstruths were being written. I
Speaker 1: remember saying.
Speaker 4: This is not my fault.
Speaker 1: I've done nothing wrong, and I'm getting these awful things
Speaker 1: written about me.
Speaker 2: It was really stressing. I saw it as bullying.
Speaker 1: The on air star had previously told us at Sky
Speaker 1: that she spoke to the director about how the culture
Speaker 1: was affecting her mental health and her reputation.
Speaker 4: She said, I.
Speaker 1: Once spoke in confidence to a board member expressing my
Speaker 1: desperation that my own bosses were planting lies that were
Speaker 1: incredibly damaging to my reputation and affecting my mental health.
Speaker 1: She said, there was no assistance provided to the network
Speaker 1: to source the leaks, stamp out the toxic behavior, or
Speaker 1: change the culture. She said, after board level, there's nowhere
Speaker 1: to go, and I was fearful of losing my job.
Speaker 1: And describing the culture that she experienced, the star said
Speaker 1: planting stories was commonplace during contract negotiations as a way
Speaker 1: of diminishing talent and bullying them into submission. Management would
Speaker 1: then gaslight you, saying they had no idea how confidential
Speaker 1: details that only a few were privy to were leaked.
Speaker 1: The presenter was emotional and tearful as she spoke about
Speaker 1: the desperation she felt when she made that phone call
Speaker 1: to the director, and she was left.
Speaker 4: With the impression that the issues would be dealt with.
Speaker 4: She said.
Speaker 1: The director was sympathetic and was appalled and horrified at
Speaker 1: the culture that she had detailed. The director also agreed
Speaker 1: to take a phone call from the presenter's lawyer, and
Speaker 1: her lawyer confirmed to me today that he had a
Speaker 1: conversation with the director about the challenges being experienced by
Speaker 1: the on air presenter. Now the director has also confirmed
Speaker 1: that the star had been very upset and that they
Speaker 1: had been sympathetic to her complaint and that the issue
Speaker 1: of the damaging leaks had been raised in the context
Speaker 1: of contract negotiations. It is believed that the director referred
Speaker 1: the complaint about the delays in the contract negotiations to
Speaker 1: senior management at nine and asked them to promptly and
Speaker 1: fairly deal with the matter, which was resolved to the
Speaker 1: satisfaction of the presenter, who said she did not hear
Speaker 1: from the director again.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: The director denied that the presenter had raised a wider
Speaker 1: cultural problem at the network or any specific toxic behavior.
Speaker 1: Sources close to Nine claim that the complaint by their
Speaker 1: major star and her lawyer were not raised at board level,
Speaker 1: because Nine says it was not a board matter. It's
Speaker 1: understood that the director raised the issues at the nine
Speaker 1: management level. As I mentioned now, there is a slight
Speaker 1: difference in the version of events between the on air
Speaker 1: presenter and the board director Separately.
Speaker 4: The presenter had, also.
Speaker 1: Like many other women at nine, had to put up
Speaker 1: with being allegedly groped by Darren Wick at the Logis
Speaker 1: after party in twenty nineteen. She said of Wick and
Speaker 1: I quote on the dance floor at the Gold Coast
Speaker 1: Logis after party, he was gropy. He had his hands everywhere,
Speaker 1: breathing heavily in my ear. I had to peel him
Speaker 1: off me. Any other man I might have kicked or pushed,
Speaker 1: but he was my boss. It was commonplace for him
Speaker 1: to drink heavily it functions, and he would often get
Speaker 1: in women's personal space.
Speaker 4: We were revolted by him.
Speaker 1: Now the presenter Ansky News do not suggest that the
Speaker 1: presenter raised complaints of sexual harassment or handsy behavior with
Speaker 1: the director. We are not suggesting the director was made
Speaker 1: aware of any allegations of harassment or the toxic culture
Speaker 1: he presided over where women were frozen out or ignored.
Speaker 1: But Wick has been accused of a series of instances
Speaker 1: of sexual harassment by Brave female staff. He left the
Speaker 1: company in March citing exhaustion, taking with him a payout
Speaker 1: in the high six figures. The Australian Financial Review Today
Speaker 1: published at fresh allegations about the culture at STAN under
Speaker 1: nine CEO Mike.
Speaker 4: Sneezeby, who was then chief executive at.
Speaker 1: STAN and I can tell you there was enormous shock
Speaker 1: throughout senior levels at nine Today that the chair Peter
Speaker 1: Costello and the Communications director Victoria Bucken had been seen
Speaker 1: to throw Mike Sneezeby under the bus by publicly blaming
Speaker 1: him for physically signing off on Darrenwick's payment. It was
Speaker 1: today the talk of the industry. Multiple sources interpreted the
Speaker 1: move as Costello trying to save his position as chair
Speaker 1: and to allow Sneezeby to take the fall for the
Speaker 1: crisis in golfing nine And make no mistake, the board
Speaker 1: does still have questions to answer about why a six
Speaker 1: figure payout was given to darren Wick despite the known
Speaker 1: legal action over allegations of inappropriate behavior. Now also coming
Speaker 1: up on the show tonight, labor on the back foot
Speaker 1: as Parliament resumes today with more revelations of child rapists
Speaker 1: given the green light to stay in Australia thanks to
Speaker 1: Immigration Minister Andrew Giles. Plus one defense expert says we
Speaker 1: are woefully unprepared for war amid reports China is bullying
Speaker 1: Australian MPs and how vaping ads targeting teens could actually
Speaker 1: be a front for criminals peddling hardcore drugs. Will Crime
Speaker 1: reporter Mike Murray would join me later in the hour,
Speaker 1: but now let's return to Josh Fridenberg's documentary and if
Speaker 1: you've been tuned into Sky News for the last hours.
Speaker 4: I hope you have.
Speaker 1: You would have watched his brilliant documentary Never Again the
Speaker 1: Fight against Anti Semitism. Now, the whole documentary was extraordinary,
Speaker 1: but I particularly want to highlight what former Prime Minister
Speaker 1: Julia Gillard said, have a listen.
Speaker 5: So, I think a lot of what is going on
Speaker 5: today is a distortion of history from social media. It's
Speaker 5: a misunderstanding about how Israel came into existence, It's a
Speaker 5: misunderstanding about the nature of the conflict. And because of that,
Speaker 5: I think particularly young people are developing views about this
Speaker 5: which are unbalanced and really not informed by the history
Speaker 5: in any way.
Speaker 1: All right, let's bring in my panel tonight, Sky News
Speaker 1: host Steve Price and Fromer Speaker of the House, Ron
Speaker 1: and Bishop. Are welcome to you both, Bronwin, starting with you.
Speaker 1: I think those are really strong comments from Julia Gillard,
Speaker 1: and she was incredible in that documentary. But you know,
Speaker 1: the comment about the younger generation and how they're being
Speaker 1: led astray on this appetite of racism.
Speaker 4: What did you think about that?
Speaker 6: I thought she came across so much stronger than the
Speaker 6: current Prime minister, that the comparison just shamed Albanizi, I think.
Speaker 6: And when she said the words that Germany didn't go
Speaker 6: from being a so called normal nation to crematoriums and
Speaker 6: gas chambers in the wink of an eye. She pointed
Speaker 6: out how allowing anti Semitism to grow and become as
Speaker 6: it did, embraced by all of Germany, that allowed all
Speaker 6: of that to happen was such a strong message. And
Speaker 6: the other strong message came from Peter Cosgo when he
Speaker 6: said Hitler would be proud, yes, because what's happening now.
Speaker 6: They are the inheritors of Hitler's policies. And it came
Speaker 6: via that Grand Mulfi of Jerusalem, who was Hitler's ally,
Speaker 6: who wanted to be the head of a Palestinian state
Speaker 6: and fought against the establishment Israel all those years and
Speaker 6: kept it up. So it was a very powerful documentary.
Speaker 6: It was full of the most excruciating to watch. It
Speaker 6: was particularly people who had suffered through it and survived
Speaker 6: to see it happen again.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, it's the sort of project that
Speaker 1: you think that ABC would have done, the public broadcaster,
Speaker 1: the fact they haven't examined anti Semitism seriously, and that
Speaker 1: it's Sky News that has given the commitment to this project. Well,
Speaker 1: it's something I'm proud of as working for sky News,
Speaker 1: but I think it's appalling as an Australian taxpayer. Steve Price,
Speaker 1: what do you think, Well, you know what, for you
Speaker 1: was one of the most powerful or emotional moments from
Speaker 1: Josh's documentary.
Speaker 7: Well, congratulations to everyone involved.
Speaker 8: It's one of the most.
Speaker 7: Powerful pieces of documentary TV I've seen in a very
Speaker 7: long time, and I've seen plenty of them. I think
Speaker 7: what I took out of it is Josh Frodenberg has
Speaker 7: been very sick, seriously affected, like most Jews in Australia
Speaker 7: by what's happened since October seven, and I think putting
Speaker 7: together so many examples of the anti Semitism that has
Speaker 7: exploded across Australia that is going to shock all non
Speaker 7: Jews who watched that show tonight. And I agree with
Speaker 7: you that it should be shown widely in schools and universities.
Speaker 7: But like Bromin, when you see those Holocaust survivors who
Speaker 7: have come to Australia, many of them as young people,
Speaker 7: they were children during World War Two. For them, you
Speaker 7: can just see the horror on their faces, because they're
Speaker 7: the ones that know how bad it was back in
Speaker 7: the nineteen thirties and they, in their wildest nightmares, would
Speaker 7: never have thought that in twenty twenty four you would
Speaker 7: have seen this in Australia. I know how emotional you
Speaker 7: are about it. Chari is an Australian Jew. I think
Speaker 7: for non Jewish people who watched that tonight, none of
Speaker 7: us and understand what the young people of this country,
Speaker 7: and they are predominantly young, who are in these pro
Speaker 7: Palestine rallies, what the hell they think they're doing.
Speaker 1: And I do think it's very comforting and I strongly
Speaker 1: believe this that mainstream Australians, you know, hate what's going on.
Speaker 1: They hate the lack of leadership over this.
Speaker 2: Now moving on, at ABC board members.
Speaker 1: Have held crisis discussions after their star political correspondent Laura
Speaker 1: Tingle's comments that Australians are all racist and that Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton is you know, driving racism will this drew national condemnation. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: The Australian newspaper reports that it's possible a meeting will
Speaker 1: be brought forward from June to discuss the.
Speaker 2: Pr damage that she's caused.
Speaker 4: Bronwin.
Speaker 1: Look, the ABC is also set to face set it
Speaker 1: estimates on Thursday, so you'd expect that this issue will
Speaker 1: be raised.
Speaker 6: Certainly, absolutely, and I think they need to take a
Speaker 6: good look at the charter once again and the obligations
Speaker 6: of directors. They have a responsibility to do something about this,
Speaker 6: and the fact that Laura Tingle is a member of
Speaker 6: that board means that she'll have to recuse herself from
Speaker 6: attending that board meeting so that they can take action.
Speaker 6: I agreed with the statement that Peter Dutton made. How
Speaker 6: can she possibly be the main commentator on the forthcoming
Speaker 6: election with any degree of impartiality at all. She is
Speaker 6: totally and utterly biased and locked into a position which
Speaker 6: is not in conformity with the charter, and the directors
Speaker 6: have an obligation under the Corporation's Act, the ABC Act,
Speaker 6: to do something about it. The problem is, of course,
Speaker 6: that the Act provides that you can't take them to
Speaker 6: court to make them do it. I'd remove those provisions.
Speaker 4: No, exactly.
Speaker 1: Look, the point is, fine, have an opinion, but then
Speaker 1: don't be an impartial journalist.
Speaker 2: Have an opinion, show absolutely like I do at the
Speaker 2: moment here.
Speaker 1: Now, defense policy expert Paul Dibb has painted a grim
Speaker 1: picture of Australia's security, claiming that we're underprepared for potential threats.
Speaker 1: He said in an interview with The Odds that the
Speaker 1: gap between government promises and actual delivery anytime soon means
Speaker 1: we are saddled with a peacetime ADF about the same
Speaker 1: size as it was thirty eight years ago, and with
Speaker 1: no real capacity to expand quickly. Steve, Look, this is
Speaker 1: an indictment on both sides of politics really, because we're
Speaker 1: only in this position because successive governments haven't invested properly
Speaker 1: in our defense.
Speaker 7: One hundred percent. I mean both sides that are blame.
Speaker 7: This is an a job problem. It's not something that
Speaker 7: has just happened under this government or even the previous
Speaker 7: Morrison turbul governments. It's happened forever. The one of the
Speaker 7: stats that stood out today, Shari, which I found really
Speaker 7: would cheat at home to people. The entire numbers in
Speaker 7: the Australian Defense Force would only fill half of the MCG,
Speaker 7: which has a seating capacity of around one hundred and
Speaker 7: five thousand people. So we've got sixty thousand in total
Speaker 7: in our defense force. They don't have the right equipment.
Speaker 7: We don't have the submarines and the first of the subs,
Speaker 7: the new sub's not going to be here till twenty
Speaker 7: thirty five. Ships are not going to be here till
Speaker 7: the end of the decade. We have aging aircraft. We
Speaker 7: don't have young people who are putting their hands up
Speaker 7: to join the defense force. We are completely underprepared. Paul
Speaker 7: Dibbs one hundred percent right. But Jim Molan was saying
Speaker 7: this when he was alive, and he wrote a book
Speaker 7: about it which everyone should read. The governments don't seem
Speaker 7: to want to have anything to do with this. It's
Speaker 7: just crazy stuff. I just hope Peter Dutton and the
Speaker 7: lead up to the election, you know lazy's promises out
Speaker 7: very clearly and puts money against them so that we
Speaker 7: can actually defend this country if we need to.
Speaker 1: And this is the scary thing, Briannwhan, is that you know,
Speaker 1: we're seeing an increasingly aggressive China. We're seeing so much
Speaker 1: volatility in different parts of the world, and the truth
Speaker 1: is Australia does need the US to help defend us.
Speaker 1: We couldn't defend ourselves from an attack from China.
Speaker 4: You know, God forbid, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 6: Absolutely true. But that's why I've been so disappointed that
Speaker 6: Miles has been allowed to get away with this statement
Speaker 6: or we're giving more money for defense. The promise is
Speaker 6: for fifty billion in ten years time, five point seven
Speaker 6: billion at the end of the forward estimates. That's four
Speaker 6: years away before a penny is spent. The rod really
Speaker 6: began when we built the frigates, the Anzac class frigates,
Speaker 6: and we built them for but not with so they
Speaker 6: didn't have many almaments on them. And I when I
Speaker 6: was Defense Industry Minister, made a statement in a particular
Speaker 6: speech that said we've made excellent floating targets. Well that
Speaker 6: really caused us. But to give how it is credit
Speaker 6: only defense was spared cuts in that first year, the
Speaker 6: first term of government, and we did increase spending. Now
Speaker 6: things have gone on since then, but there has been
Speaker 6: in this government a complete failure. Paul Dibb's quite right,
Speaker 6: and I knew Paul given those years, and Paul Dibb
Speaker 6: is quite right that this government has no stomach for
Speaker 6: increasing the effectiveness of our defense force.
Speaker 4: But we needed to order equipment long ago.
Speaker 1: I mean we order it now we have a long
Speaker 1: range missiles decade, two decades. It's going to take a
Speaker 1: long time, all right, Grodman, Bishop and Steve Price, thank
Speaker 1: you both so much for your time tonight. Now coming off,
Speaker 1: Immigration Minister Foster front Parliament today after failing to keep
Speaker 1: the community safe from criminals.
Speaker 4: I'll discuss this after the break.
Speaker 1: Welcome back now to the topic that dominated question time
Speaker 1: today and it was certainly heated.
Speaker 4: Been revealed that three.
Speaker 1: Child rapists were allowed to stay in Australia under the
Speaker 1: so called Direction ninety nine that was issued by Andrew
Speaker 1: Giles in January last year.
Speaker 4: Now, in at least one.
Speaker 1: Of these cases, deportation was avoided because of a factor
Speaker 1: in Direction ninety nine, which means the strength of a
Speaker 1: person's ties to Australia can help revoke the cancelation of
Speaker 1: their visa. It's a clause that's been used by dozens
Speaker 1: of serious offenders to help them stay in Australia under
Speaker 1: Andrew Giles as minister. Now the opposition is arguing that
Speaker 1: at once this direction torn up and they say the
Speaker 1: Immigration Minister needs to be sacked as a result.
Speaker 9: The Alberzi Labor government's wading down of the law has
Speaker 9: allowed this criminal to stay in Australia, making our country
Speaker 9: less safe. When will the Alberdesi Labor government apologize for
Speaker 9: this catastrophic mistake in reverse Direction ninety nine?
Speaker 10: Our thoughts there, of course with the victims in this case,
Speaker 10: and in saying that, of course, community safety remains our
Speaker 10: highest priority as a government. I remind the lead of
Speaker 10: the Opposition in all members that this was a visa
Speaker 10: that was canceled and remain canceled by my department in
Speaker 10: line with Ministerial Direction ninety nine. I believe that it's
Speaker 10: a decision that should still be canceled, and I advised
Speaker 10: the House also that I have prioritized a number of
Speaker 10: cases for urgent cancelation consideration.
Speaker 1: A National's leader, David little Proud joins me. Now, David,
Speaker 1: thank you for your time. So the argument is around
Speaker 1: this measure, this factor in the Immigration Minister's powers. That mean,
Speaker 1: if someone's ties to Australia are strong enough, so not
Speaker 1: necessarily citizenship, but ties to Australia. It seems it doesn't
Speaker 1: actually matter how bad their crimes are, they're protected from
Speaker 1: being deported.
Speaker 4: Is that right?
Speaker 2: And what exactly do you want changed here?
Speaker 11: Well, this was added and this is an important aspect
Speaker 11: to understand. This was added to give weighted the same
Speaker 11: weight as that of the severity of the crime, the
Speaker 11: fact that they may have been in this country for
Speaker 11: many years. And it was a concession given by Anthony Albanesi.
Speaker 11: So it's not just Andrew Giles that the blame needs
Speaker 11: to sit at the feet of. It's also Anthony Albanesi
Speaker 11: in the deal that he cut with Justine Adern, the
Speaker 11: former New Zealand Prime Minister, in allowing Kiwis to stay
Speaker 11: here that had criminal pass and it was all about
Speaker 11: appeasing New Zealand rather than keeping Australian safe. And by
Speaker 11: giving that extra waiting and giving it equality in waiting
Speaker 11: to the other four criteria has meant that these anomalies
Speaker 11: have allowed to happen where Australians have been put at
Speaker 11: risk and horrific crimes have in some cases allegedly still
Speaker 11: to take in case others have been proven. And it's
Speaker 11: something that we believe should be torn up. This is
Speaker 11: something that is just another layer of a litany of
Speaker 11: errors that this minister and this has made, whether it
Speaker 11: be through this in watering down the laws or whether
Speaker 11: it be learning out one hundred and fifty three detainees
Speaker 11: after the High Court in June last year gave them
Speaker 11: full warning by a Preliminary Findings hearing, saying that they
Speaker 11: were going to let these detainees out, but yet did
Speaker 11: nothing about doing anything in a in a proactive way
Speaker 11: in bringing forward legislation to protect Australians. So this minister
Speaker 11: hasn't shown any intent, hasn't shown any interest in this
Speaker 11: and unfortunately Australians are hurting because of it.
Speaker 1: Now, just to clarify under this direction, so are you
Speaker 1: arguing that even if a person has strong ties to Australia,
Speaker 1: which could include indigenous heritage, you're saying they should still
Speaker 1: be deported.
Speaker 11: Well, now this is where they have dual citizenship and
Speaker 11: in fact where they have been built or in this
Speaker 11: country or don't have dual citizenship. But I've come to
Speaker 11: this country on a visa and in fact have committed
Speaker 11: a crime. And what previously was the case, there wasn't
Speaker 11: a waiting given with respect to the time that they
Speaker 11: had been here. What happened was that there was a
Speaker 11: concession given to increase that as a fifth determinant, a
Speaker 11: fifth criteria to waiting in the same extent as what
Speaker 11: the extent of the crime, whether it be domestic violence,
Speaker 11: rape or murder.
Speaker 7: Now that's not that's not so.
Speaker 1: Would you still keep the provision but just change the waiting?
Speaker 11: Well, I think that's what we need to work through as.
Speaker 4: You don't have a view at this point.
Speaker 1: You don't have a view at this point that the
Speaker 1: provision would go.
Speaker 11: Well, the challenge comes with the High Court finding and
Speaker 11: obviously working within the confines of the High High Court
Speaker 11: finding that came down in October November that we have
Speaker 11: to work within. But that is one quick administrative way
Speaker 11: that the government could actually remove this quite quite quickly.
Speaker 1: We have to clarify, you're not suggesting removing it, you're
Speaker 1: suggesting changing the waiting.
Speaker 4: Is that right?
Speaker 11: If it could be worked within the confines of the
Speaker 11: finding of the High Court, then obviously we'd work with
Speaker 11: the government with respect to that. But if we can't,
Speaker 11: then would why would you take away this waiting as
Speaker 11: quickly as you possibly could. That's something a directive of
Speaker 11: the government could do immediately, all right.
Speaker 1: Look, Foreign Minister Pennywoe has raised concerns over China's military
Speaker 1: drills after exercising a show of force around Taiwan.
Speaker 4: Let's have a look.
Speaker 8: In recent weeks we have expressed our deep concern about unsafe,
Speaker 8: unprofessional and unacceptable incidents involving the PLA Navy. We have
Speaker 8: seen large scale Chinese military operations in the Taiwan Straight
Speaker 8: becoming a routine event. The risk of an accident and
Speaker 8: potential escalation is growing.
Speaker 1: David, Look, this is becoming risk here. We've seen several
Speaker 1: incidents now where there has been Chinese aggression towards members
Speaker 1: of Australia's and personnel.
Speaker 4: What do you think the government needs to do?
Speaker 11: What we concur with the statements that the FOREIGNUS is making.
Speaker 11: I think it's important that those statements are made very
Speaker 11: forcefully to directly to the leaders, and the Prime Minister
Speaker 11: himself needs to step up and to make that call
Speaker 11: with the President of China. We've seen sub mariners, we've
Speaker 11: seen some of our pilots put at risk in international
Speaker 11: waters to the extent they shouldn't and that's where strong
Speaker 11: leaderships required in drawing a line in the sand and
Speaker 11: making it very clear that that's not acceptable. While we
Speaker 11: want to turn the page with our relationship with China,
Speaker 11: that comes with mutual respect, but that's also about respecting
Speaker 11: the law of the international of the sea and international
Speaker 11: air and making sure that our servicemen and women are
Speaker 11: protected as are there and that there are any provocations
Speaker 11: that are undertaken by their side, and that needs to
Speaker 11: be clearly enunciated as the President and the Prime Minister,
Speaker 11: while being asked in Parliament, hasn't been able to articulate
Speaker 11: that whether he's made that call to President She and
Speaker 11: if he hasn't, why hasn't he. These Australian servicemen and
Speaker 11: women are prepared to put their souls on the line
Speaker 11: for us. The Prime Minister should stand with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, David little Proud, thank you very
Speaker 1: much for joining me this evening. Now, earlier this week
Speaker 1: we saw Hamas launch eight rockets.
Speaker 4: Into Tel Aviv.
Speaker 1: This was the first time in months and it raises
Speaker 1: concerns that the terror organization is still capable of long
Speaker 1: distance attacks. It prompted an Israeli air strike into the
Speaker 1: southern Gaza city of Rafa, which has killed two senior
Speaker 1: Hamas terrorists and tragically forty five civilians were also killed.
Speaker 4: Now let's have a look.
Speaker 12: In Rafa. We have already evacuated about a million non
Speaker 12: involved residents, and despite our best efforts not to harm
Speaker 12: the non involved, unfortunately a technical failure happened last night.
Speaker 12: We're investigating the case. We will present the conclusions because
Speaker 12: this is our policy.
Speaker 1: And that's Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and I'm joined
Speaker 1: now by Israeli politician Sharon Haskell in Israel. Sharon, thank
Speaker 1: you for joining us once again. Look, can you tell
Speaker 1: us how these civilian deaths occurred and what's the lightest
Speaker 1: with the ongoing ongoing IDF movement into Rafa.
Speaker 13: First of all, it's important to note, Shary, we've been
Speaker 13: discussing now for months about in operation in Rafa, trying
Speaker 13: to get as many civilians away from it. We've worn
Speaker 13: we've opened safe crossings for them to actually cross to
Speaker 13: another area save zone, but unfortunately as Hamas is using
Speaker 13: them as a human shield, some of them and many
Speaker 13: of them actually decided to actually stay. And so we
Speaker 13: continue to reiterate and say over and over again, anyone
Speaker 13: in Rafa needs to go out. There are safe zone,
Speaker 13: there are safe areas, safe passage where they can actually
Speaker 13: move into other refugees, safe zones and safe area.
Speaker 1: They are your reports that that the civilians are choosing
Speaker 1: not to choosing not to evacuate, or is Hamas actually
Speaker 1: blocking their exit.
Speaker 13: Hamas in many cases is actually threatening them and blocking
Speaker 13: as well. I mean we've seen them in many occasions
Speaker 13: shooting with snipers people who are trying to flee from
Speaker 13: the war area. So it is very very difficult. Hamas
Speaker 13: know that they need to be surrounded by children, by women,
Speaker 13: and they in the hope that that what's going to
Speaker 13: save them, and so many operations that were canceled were
Speaker 13: exactly because of that. But we need to understand Hamas
Speaker 13: fired rockets into our main cities, major cities where thousands
Speaker 13: could have been injured, and Ramasi is firing them from
Speaker 13: safe zones, from humanitarian areas, from United Nations facilities and schools.
Speaker 13: This is what it's actually using as a military bases
Speaker 13: to fire those rockets. And so in the video that
Speaker 13: was published as well, and I've actually sent that to
Speaker 13: you as well, just a few minutes ago, you see
Speaker 13: the areas of where the event actually happened, okay, and
Speaker 13: you see a big fire and then you see a
Speaker 13: secondary explosion. That secondary explosion was ammunition and rockets that
Speaker 13: was on a car delivering them in order to be
Speaker 13: fired into the state of Israel, into major cities, into
Speaker 13: children's schools and kindergartens. And so I mean, in this event,
Speaker 13: Israel needs to defend itself, it needs to defend its children.
Speaker 13: And this is a very unfortunate event and we are
Speaker 13: trying to avoid as much as possible civilian casualties, but
Speaker 13: unfortunately Hamas is actually using them and abusing them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, very well said.
Speaker 1: Now, in Australia we have a national broadcaster funded by
Speaker 1: the taxpayer, and the ABC has described Hermas's rocket attacks
Speaker 1: on Tel Aviv just on Sunday night, and this was
Speaker 1: in a social media post as a show of resilience.
Speaker 4: A show of resilience.
Speaker 1: That's an ABC social media post describing the terrorist group
Speaker 1: for Mussa's attack.
Speaker 4: On Israel just on Sunday night. What's your response to this, Sharon.
Speaker 13: Haskoo, This is it's heartbreaking, and I think you know
Speaker 13: it's it's things that it's very difficult to understand. And
Speaker 13: I'll explain to you why the war that Israel is
Speaker 13: fighting right now is not just a war against Hamas.
Speaker 13: This is a war again Iran Iran that's trying to
Speaker 13: push through Risbella radical Islam throughout the world. It's here
Speaker 13: in Israel, it's in Europe, it's in your home as
Speaker 13: well in Australia. You've seen, you've seen that, you've experienced that,
Speaker 13: and so we have to fight together radical Islam. What
Speaker 13: you're seeing the military training of China, North Korea, Russia
Speaker 13: and Iran show how much their appetite has grown because
Speaker 13: their propaganda works. I mean, those people that you see
Speaker 13: chanting these things in the streets like any mean, is
Speaker 13: any mean necessary? Means that murdering, raping, burning children is
Speaker 13: somehow can be justified. I mean, this is absolute idiot
Speaker 13: in the service of radical Islam. And you know what,
Speaker 13: it's coming to your front door. It's coming to your
Speaker 13: front door all around the world. And those people who
Speaker 13: see that, those useful idiots chanting and demonstrating for them
Speaker 13: to push their public opinions and their theories and the
Speaker 13: ideas of radical Islam. Where you can see in the
Speaker 13: United States the youth trying to somehow, you know, feel
Speaker 13: compassion to Asama bin Laden and actually justifying some of
Speaker 13: these actions. This is how they are using social media
Speaker 13: and how they're using the media. There are documents that
Speaker 13: are showing how the Muslim Brotherhood is trying to infiltrate
Speaker 13: that this course of the extreme left. It's been shown
Speaker 13: in a few United States courts. And you know what,
Speaker 13: I'm sure some of your intelligence forces are very aware
Speaker 13: of that and can actually show that in Parliament if
Speaker 13: there'll be an in depth discussion about what is happening
Speaker 13: right now.
Speaker 4: And that should be and there isn't.
Speaker 1: Sharon Hasko always love having you on the program. You
Speaker 1: tell it like it is your social strong Thank you
Speaker 1: very much for joining us. Now coming up the blow
Speaker 1: the blow up between Mark Dreyfus and Mikaylia Cash the
Speaker 1: cause the shadow Attorney General to.
Speaker 4: Storm out of a meeting.
Speaker 2: I'll have a look at this with my political.
Speaker 4: Panel after the break. Welcome back.
Speaker 1: Well, my colleague Andrew Clonell revealed a huge blow up
Speaker 1: today between Mikaylia Cash, who said she was forced to
Speaker 1: walk out of a meeting with her counterpart in the government,
Speaker 1: Attorney General, Mark Dreyfus. This was all over Labour's religious
Speaker 1: freedom legislation. After the meeting, here was Mikaylia Cash. She said,
Speaker 1: I was appalled by mister Dreyfus's behavior. Mister Dreyfus needs
Speaker 1: to stop playing games with his religious discrimination legislation. As
Speaker 1: I told Dreyfus, he needs to take on board the
Speaker 1: feedback he has received from the faith communities and release
Speaker 1: his legislation publicly. All right, bring in tonight's panel and
Speaker 1: let's start with headline advisory director and from a media
Speaker 1: advisor to Scott Morrison Andrew Carswell, Andrew, what do you
Speaker 1: make of this debate and which side of it do
Speaker 1: you agree with?
Speaker 14: Well, I certainly know Shari who I would back in
Speaker 14: that verbal staush and it's not the great pomposity that
Speaker 14: is the Attorney General. I think Macaulay has made a
Speaker 14: good stand here and she's made a righteous stantee and
Speaker 14: excuse the pun on that she's made a stand against
Speaker 14: what is an increasing secrecy within the government when it
Speaker 14: comes to the formation of its policies. It gets all
Speaker 14: these people to come in and sign non disclosure agreements
Speaker 14: and it won't release these details in public. And now
Speaker 14: it's begging for the Coalition to sign up to this
Speaker 14: deal without it being made public. On religious discrimination bill,
Speaker 14: you know, without even having a look at it. They
Speaker 14: want to have a bipartisanship approach all of a sudden
Speaker 14: because they want to get it off the table. They
Speaker 14: don't want to fight. They don't to fight any issues
Speaker 14: in the next six to Todd and the lead up
Speaker 14: to this election. So good. I'm Michaulia for taking up
Speaker 14: a fight here and pushing back on what is creeping
Speaker 14: secretive behavior by this government.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen that secrecy andrew in so many
Speaker 1: different pieces of legislation. Now I'm in in tani PLEBUSX
Speaker 1: Nature positive legislation. Industry groups had to leave their phones
Speaker 1: and laptops outside the room when they went in to
Speaker 1: even look at the legislation. Liz, this secrecy in especially
Speaker 1: about legislation that's categorically in the public interest and that
Speaker 1: should be ventilated and debated in public. I mean, this
Speaker 1: secrecy is designed just to protect the government.
Speaker 15: Indeed, and this is a government that was elected on
Speaker 15: adnauseum promises of transparency.
Speaker 4: Transparency.
Speaker 15: Our middle name is going to be transparency, particularly with
Speaker 15: regards to something as important as religious discrimination, which many
Speaker 15: faith groups are extremely worried about this because what we've
Speaker 15: been told was going to be in a previously obviously
Speaker 15: this has been better around for years now, was simply
Speaker 15: not going to cut the mustard. Personally, I think it's
Speaker 15: absolutely appalling that government is taking it upon themselves to
Speaker 15: dictate what Christian schools can and can't do, who they
Speaker 15: can and can't hire, making it issues of discrimination, instead
Speaker 15: of just allowing religious groups faith bodies to decide for
Speaker 15: themselves how to practice their ethos, how to practice their values.
Speaker 15: And what seems very obvious every time this comes up,
Speaker 15: it's the same religious bodies, namely Christians and Catholics, that
Speaker 15: are getting whacked by it. They're not laying down the
Speaker 15: law on say, Muslim schools, which obviously they would never
Speaker 15: expect to hire someone who doesn't uphold their ethos. It's
Speaker 15: always the Judeo Christian values that seem to be getting
Speaker 15: the short end of the stick whenever this particular government
Speaker 15: talks about making laws around these things.
Speaker 1: Well, as we've mentioned, it was a busy day in
Speaker 1: Parliament in Canberra, and yet again, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a week when the government would have wanted to be
Speaker 1: speaking about and promoting its budget and its various tax carts,
Speaker 1: but yet again the issue was their ongoing detainee drama.
Speaker 1: And again the Immigration Minister, Andrew Giles was the focus
Speaker 1: Andrew Carswaller. It just seems like Anthony ALBINIZI is not
Speaker 1: prepared to move on Giles, even when we have the
Speaker 1: case of child rapists staying in Australia thanks to a
Speaker 1: ministerial direction. And yet you know, every parliamentary sit in
Speaker 1: week is eaten up by this scandal. I mean, at
Speaker 1: what point is the Prime Minister actually going to do
Speaker 1: something about this.
Speaker 14: Well, he won't move Shari because Andrew Giles is Olbo's mate,
Speaker 14: a very close mate and a backup for many many years.
Speaker 14: So there'll be no moves here. And this continues, this
Speaker 14: stubborn approach that the Prime Minister has on these issues.
Speaker 14: He'll let them fester, and by word, they are festering,
Speaker 14: and they are getting worse and worse. And look, I
Speaker 14: know there's plenty of calls from the coalition here to
Speaker 14: call for this guy to be sacked, and that's fair
Speaker 14: enough in light of all the things that have happened,
Speaker 14: but they almost need him to stay there. I mean,
Speaker 14: they are making hay out of this situation and just
Speaker 14: keep him there, keep him funneling, fundling all these issues.
Speaker 14: And there's going to be more to come out as well,
Speaker 14: So we need him there to be their front and
Speaker 14: center in order for this scandal to go on. But
Speaker 14: it just this continues to plague the government and they
Speaker 14: just can't avoid it. And yes, they should move on him,
Speaker 14: but I hope they don't.
Speaker 1: Well, fine, it's good for the coalition, but Lisa, it's
Speaker 1: a serious issue for community safety because we've already seen
Speaker 1: that some of the released detainees have allegedly bashed a grandmother,
Speaker 1: others have there been dozens of offenses.
Speaker 15: Yeah, over thirty of them have already reoffended. And what
Speaker 15: a surprise that hardened criminals aren't magically trend formed upon
Speaker 15: being released by some move.
Speaker 4: By the High Court.
Speaker 15: So this was always to be expected really, And the
Speaker 15: fact that Giles hasn't moved on Direction ninety nine, the
Speaker 15: government's now talking as if they're a victim of their
Speaker 15: own doing, which is utter nonsense. And as we heard
Speaker 15: from Senator James Patterson earlier this evening, the PM will
Speaker 15: never come down on Giles about Direction ninety nine because
Speaker 15: he himself, the Prime Minister, was also directly involved in
Speaker 15: said direction. And we just keep hearing from this government
Speaker 15: namely Giles, that I'm just going to continue to keep
Speaker 15: the community safe and keep doing what I'm doing. We
Speaker 15: need you to do something drastically different, like actually keep
Speaker 15: the community safe in d The other question is in
Speaker 15: the lead up to an election, is he simply waiting?
Speaker 15: Is the PM simply waiting for the.
Speaker 16: Bulk of this to blow over before he replaces Giles
Speaker 16: so that he can go into an election cycle with
Speaker 16: a new face, a new name, and promises of oh,
Speaker 16: it's all going to be smooth sailing going forward.
Speaker 1: But we are hearing increasing talk about a ministerial reshuffle,
Speaker 1: so induringly surprised if Andrew.
Speaker 2: Giles is one of those shuffled along.
Speaker 1: Now it's been revealed that the Chinese government bullied Australian
Speaker 1: politicians who attended a pro Taiwan event. Eleven MPs received
Speaker 1: a letter sent by an unnamed government official after they
Speaker 1: celebrated the inauguration of Taiwan's new president, and the letter
Speaker 1: suggested that these politicians could be putting Australia's ties with
Speaker 1: China at risk. Andrew Carswell, I mean this is kind
Speaker 1: of open bullying of politicians and maybe our foreign policy
Speaker 1: does need to change.
Speaker 4: To recognize Taiwan more formally.
Speaker 14: Well, I think Shari's it's certainly coercion, there's no doubt
Speaker 14: about that. But I find this quite humorous actually. I
Speaker 14: mean we've gone We've gone from a situation where the
Speaker 14: Chinese governor officials were openly bullying nations from the pulpit
Speaker 14: in Beijing, openly calling out countries for misbehaving and treating
Speaker 14: China poorly and the ramifications to come from that, and
Speaker 14: they were doing that on the world stage. And now
Speaker 14: suddenly we've moved to this posture of I'm going to
Speaker 14: write a strongly worded email to some politicians that nobody
Speaker 14: really knows of apart from Paul Fletcher. I think it's
Speaker 14: an indication of how different that they're starting to approach
Speaker 14: these issues. But yes, it is still a former bullying. Yes,
Speaker 14: it is coercion, and we should be alarmed at that practice,
Speaker 14: despite the fact that it is quite embarrassing on their part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Andrew Carswell list, I thank you both
Speaker 1: so much of your time in Lis. Will of course
Speaker 1: see you at ten o'clock tonight with.
Speaker 4: Josh Bridenberg on your show. Yes, can't wait for that.
Speaker 1: Now after the break, a desperate search underway from mother
Speaker 1: and newborn baby after discover bring evidence of a riverside
Speaker 1: birth in Sydney. Plus how facebook page is selling illegal
Speaker 1: vapes could have links to drug dealers.
Speaker 4: Crime reporter Mark Murray will be on Live next.
Speaker 1: When New South Wales police are desperately searching for a
Speaker 1: mum and her newborn baby after signs of a birth.
Speaker 2: Were discovered on the banks of a river.
Speaker 4: In Sydney's in A West.
Speaker 1: The New Southell's Health Minister issued a plea to the mother.
Speaker 7: You're not in trouble.
Speaker 3: You don't have to talk to the police. The only
Speaker 3: thing I ask that you do is make you way
Speaker 3: to one of our hospitals so that we can care
Speaker 3: for you and your baby as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1: All right, The Daily Telegraphs Crime editor Mark Murray joins me, Now, Mark,
Speaker 1: you know, giving birth is so difficult to think a
Speaker 1: poor mum had to, for whatever reason, deliver a baby
Speaker 1: on the banks of a river is really really worrying.
Speaker 7: It is.
Speaker 17: It's the police are very very concerned and as you said,
Speaker 17: they're the health minister.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 17: The New South Wales Police have made repeated please that
Speaker 17: if anybody knows who the mother is or if the
Speaker 17: mother's out there, just let them know, again stressing no
Speaker 17: one's in trouble. They are doing tests on the placenta
Speaker 17: that was found there yesterday afternoon to try and establish
Speaker 17: if the survivability is the words that are possibly being used.
Speaker 17: But again they're worried about the health of both mother
Speaker 17: and the baby, so it's a bit of a desperate
Speaker 17: race to try and make sure that both are okay.
Speaker 1: When you use the word survivability, and you know, we
Speaker 1: know that police divers were called in today, So does
Speaker 1: this mean they actually don't know what they suspect the
Speaker 1: baby and the mum might be in the river.
Speaker 17: They're not such in anything like that at the moment.
Speaker 17: But as I said that, they are doing some tests
Speaker 17: on the placenter and from that they can actually figure
Speaker 17: out from what I can gather, perhaps how whether one
Speaker 17: the baby was alive when born, to how long it
Speaker 17: may have been along, you know, So they can find
Speaker 17: out a lot of things now with DNA, it's quite amazing.
Speaker 17: But they're obviously their concern is the health and weather
Speaker 17: the baby has survived and the mother is not seriously ill.
Speaker 1: Now, Mike, you've got a story breaking in the Daily
Speaker 1: Telegraph tomorrow about another shocking display of youth crime.
Speaker 4: What can you tell us? What news can you break?
Speaker 4: Right here?
Speaker 17: So in Dubo on a Wednesday or Thursday, a car
Speaker 17: was stolen by nobody. It was stolen. The next day
Speaker 17: it was found by police. Police seize it, put it
Speaker 17: in the police compound. That night somebody broke in and
Speaker 17: stole that car back again. It was then used in
Speaker 17: seven break ins a couple of police chasers before it
Speaker 17: was somebody was arrested. Now a thirteen year old girl
Speaker 17: has been arrested. She was on bail for similar offenses,
Speaker 17: but she's now been granted bail again. Police refuse police bail.
Speaker 17: She went before the children's court while on bail. Are
Speaker 17: now involved in stealing a carpetent from a police compound
Speaker 17: and allegedly being involved in breaking then as and a
Speaker 17: police chase. She's actually now been granted bail again. Now
Speaker 17: she was there's apparently a seventeen year old male who's
Speaker 17: actually one of the major figures in this crime spree.
Speaker 17: But she's definitely involved. And again bail and bail the
Speaker 17: police lock them up and for them they just find
Speaker 17: it this cycle. They just don't know what to do.
Speaker 17: They arrest these teenagers on these crime sprees and then
Speaker 17: they're back out again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that is incredibly brazen to break into a
Speaker 1: police compound and shocking that it's a thirteen year old girl.
Speaker 1: So frustrating for police. You can only imagine that they
Speaker 1: keep liking people up who are then at least yet again.
Speaker 4: And there's this youth.
Speaker 1: Crime problem that's really right now targeting, you know, affecting
Speaker 1: most states across the country.
Speaker 17: It is across the country, as I said, you know,
Speaker 17: it's not just in these in country towns. It's a
Speaker 17: similar situation in metropolitan areas across the country as you said.
Speaker 17: And again I think the courts apparently, and they're not
Speaker 17: helping it, you know, And you can imagine police frustration.
Speaker 17: I think there will be some police going, you know,
Speaker 17: why are we going to bother locking them up, because
Speaker 17: that's going to get out again, and you know, why
Speaker 17: are we doing it? It's just paperwork and it's not
Speaker 17: doing any good. There has to be some sort of
Speaker 17: longer term solution to try and abate youth crime. It
Speaker 17: literally is one of the major problems in this country
Speaker 17: at the moment I think, yeah.
Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, Mark Murray, thank you so much. Now
Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow night at eight pm. But right now,
Speaker 1: here's Paul Murray.