1 00:00:05,881 --> 00:00:14,121 Speaker 1: Appote production. This podcast contains references to extreme physical violence 2 00:00:14,441 --> 00:00:18,721 Speaker 1: and psychological trauma. It is not recommended for younger audiences 3 00:00:19,161 --> 00:00:27,561 Speaker 1: and listener discretion is advised. Welcome to Real Crime with 4 00:00:27,601 --> 00:00:31,881 Speaker 1: Adam Shand I'm your host Adam Shand. Kelly Carterbell is 5 00:00:31,881 --> 00:00:35,361 Speaker 1: a walking, talking example of the power of resilience and love. 6 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,321 Speaker 1: She really should be dead after what she's gone through 7 00:00:39,681 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: after being attacked by her husband in her workplace. This 8 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,801 Speaker 1: had followed years of dangerous liaisons in the criminal world. 9 00:00:47,361 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: She was one of four sisters. She's the sole survivor, 10 00:00:51,441 --> 00:00:56,921 Speaker 1: having lost all three siblings to drugs. Remarkably, she's also 11 00:00:56,921 --> 00:00:59,521 Speaker 1: the daughter of a police officer who made a move 12 00:00:59,601 --> 00:01:02,441 Speaker 1: on her mum while her criminal husband was in jail. 13 00:01:03,161 --> 00:01:06,321 Speaker 1: That copper he disappeared when the crook came out of jail. 14 00:01:07,641 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to be able to reunite Kelly 15 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,241 Speaker 1: with her dad after forty years. How do I say this? 16 00:01:14,721 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: I found him? 17 00:01:16,081 --> 00:01:16,241 Speaker 2: Oh? 18 00:01:20,121 --> 00:01:20,721 Speaker 3: Is he wise? 19 00:01:21,321 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? He is. 20 00:01:22,161 --> 00:01:33,041 Speaker 3: I'm sorry that I've been waiting for that for forty 21 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: six years. 22 00:01:35,161 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: This was a lucky break for kell and she deserved it, 23 00:01:38,161 --> 00:01:40,641 Speaker 1: and she hasn't looked back. She's now an advocate for 24 00:01:40,681 --> 00:01:44,481 Speaker 1: women suffering domestic violence, and she's in the Real Crime 25 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,921 Speaker 1: studio to tell her story. Get a kel good. 26 00:01:47,841 --> 00:01:54,601 Speaker 2: A Adam, How's things are amazing. The amazing thing is 27 00:01:55,001 --> 00:01:58,001 Speaker 2: what left me to be amazing is that missing piece 28 00:01:58,081 --> 00:02:02,241 Speaker 2: in the puzzle, which was my dad. And when I 29 00:02:02,561 --> 00:02:08,481 Speaker 2: connected with him, myself worth, my confidence, my love for myself. 30 00:02:09,241 --> 00:02:12,201 Speaker 2: It made me realize that I am a lovable human 31 00:02:12,241 --> 00:02:13,801 Speaker 2: being who deserves to be loved. 32 00:02:14,481 --> 00:02:17,121 Speaker 1: It was one of the most rewarding things of Mike. 33 00:02:17,161 --> 00:02:18,721 Speaker 1: When people ask me what story is that? I think 34 00:02:18,721 --> 00:02:21,041 Speaker 1: it really memorable that was one of them, because what 35 00:02:21,081 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe was that you'd done interviews with other 36 00:02:23,921 --> 00:02:27,761 Speaker 1: journalists about all your adventures in the underworld with your 37 00:02:27,841 --> 00:02:31,321 Speaker 1: various partners and your husband, and no one had asked 38 00:02:31,361 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: you what happened to your father. You actually bowled me 39 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,361 Speaker 1: up in an antique store in South Melbourne here and 40 00:02:36,401 --> 00:02:38,761 Speaker 1: you said, I've got a story for you. And when 41 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: you started chatting, you've talked about your dad. I've gone like, hey, 42 00:02:41,721 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: why hasn't someone found this bloke? It didn't take me long. 43 00:02:44,601 --> 00:02:46,841 Speaker 1: It turned out, funnily enough that when I was in 44 00:02:46,841 --> 00:02:49,001 Speaker 1: Perth doing a radio show. He used to ring up 45 00:02:49,001 --> 00:02:50,681 Speaker 1: to the show, so I'd already spoken him with. One 46 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,041 Speaker 1: of those things was destiny. But you deserve to break 47 00:02:53,041 --> 00:02:57,681 Speaker 1: because you've been through the absolute meal. Let's talk about 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:58,441 Speaker 1: where you began. 49 00:03:00,081 --> 00:03:04,641 Speaker 2: Where I began was the youngest I can remember, was 50 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,721 Speaker 2: probably being about four years old and watching mumby beaten 51 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,641 Speaker 2: by my sister's father. There was love, there was dinners cooked, 52 00:03:15,561 --> 00:03:19,641 Speaker 2: there was connection, there was routine when Dad was around. 53 00:03:20,161 --> 00:03:22,161 Speaker 2: All that went out the window as soon as the 54 00:03:22,281 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: roles had to be reversed when my sister's father would 55 00:03:26,001 --> 00:03:30,041 Speaker 2: be released from prison. So I can remember sitting at 56 00:03:30,081 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: windows at that age with Mum waiting to see whether 57 00:03:33,881 --> 00:03:37,121 Speaker 2: Snookie was going to be drunk or not, and whether 58 00:03:37,161 --> 00:03:39,721 Speaker 2: that mean a beating for her or not. 59 00:03:40,601 --> 00:03:43,201 Speaker 1: Snooky the Crook sounds like a lovable, cuddly person, but 60 00:03:43,241 --> 00:03:43,961 Speaker 1: he was far from that. 61 00:03:44,401 --> 00:03:50,201 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, to some people he might be that, but 62 00:03:50,281 --> 00:03:54,041 Speaker 2: to me he was I was like a pawn almost. 63 00:03:54,801 --> 00:03:59,041 Speaker 2: I was sometimes made to call him Dad. I remember 64 00:03:59,081 --> 00:04:02,001 Speaker 2: one day he bought me a bike for my birthday, 65 00:04:02,761 --> 00:04:06,401 Speaker 2: but when I think back, that was probably because of 66 00:04:06,441 --> 00:04:11,241 Speaker 2: what happened prior the night before, the day before, or 67 00:04:12,041 --> 00:04:15,561 Speaker 2: it was like, Yeah, it was like a piece of 68 00:04:16,201 --> 00:04:21,121 Speaker 2: meat almost, you know, from from a nice life to 69 00:04:21,281 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: a shitty, shitty, shitty life. And when Dad disappeared that 70 00:04:25,201 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: life the shitty shitty shittiness lasted until I was I 71 00:04:31,481 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: broke the cycle from being hit twenty years ago. But 72 00:04:36,401 --> 00:04:40,481 Speaker 2: the recovery of this and what I've lived is daily. 73 00:04:40,961 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: Because all you saw was a criminal role model for men, 74 00:04:47,281 --> 00:04:50,361 Speaker 1: and you ended up dating a succession of Underworld characters, 75 00:04:50,361 --> 00:04:52,041 Speaker 1: some of the big names that we all know, like 76 00:04:52,081 --> 00:04:54,441 Speaker 1: Mark Moran was a good friend of yours and other 77 00:04:54,481 --> 00:04:57,361 Speaker 1: people like that. Jed Horton. I think you knew all those, 78 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,881 Speaker 1: all those Della they're all dead, Yeah, they're all dead. 79 00:05:03,521 --> 00:05:05,521 Speaker 2: Like when I was thinking about coming into do this 80 00:05:05,721 --> 00:05:09,121 Speaker 2: with you, Adam, I remember I would have been about 81 00:05:09,361 --> 00:05:13,361 Speaker 2: let's say eight or nine, and there was a few 82 00:05:14,281 --> 00:05:20,401 Speaker 2: bank robbers in Jaiker Jiker and Mum and I literally 83 00:05:20,521 --> 00:05:23,361 Speaker 2: smuggled a gun in there. We had to put it 84 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: on top of a locker. I'm not sure whether I've 85 00:05:26,201 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: told you the story about my sister Sissy being in 86 00:05:28,961 --> 00:05:31,921 Speaker 2: Pentridge and telling me I have to go and see 87 00:05:31,921 --> 00:05:35,281 Speaker 2: her husband's brother Peter, because he's going to give me 88 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: a letter to give to her, but I have to 89 00:05:39,081 --> 00:05:42,401 Speaker 2: hide it. And I got to Peter's house and he said, 90 00:05:42,401 --> 00:05:44,441 Speaker 2: do you know what you're doing. I was fourteen years 91 00:05:44,481 --> 00:05:47,561 Speaker 2: of age. Do you know what you're doing? And I said, yeah, 92 00:05:47,561 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: I'm taking a letter into my sister. And he handed 93 00:05:51,241 --> 00:05:55,361 Speaker 2: me a bag of orange powder. I put it up 94 00:05:55,401 --> 00:05:58,241 Speaker 2: my sleeve. I had a watch on and the old 95 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,841 Speaker 2: days with the scanners when you went to the prison 96 00:06:00,921 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: and it beat, and thank goodness, it was my watch. 97 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,361 Speaker 2: So there was things like that that was cleaning up 98 00:06:09,401 --> 00:06:12,881 Speaker 2: a murder after Dennis had killed the guy in the barrel, 99 00:06:12,961 --> 00:06:16,161 Speaker 2: like literally painting walls, ripping up. 100 00:06:16,121 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: Carpet because you'd fallen in with Dennis Allen and his crew. 101 00:06:20,401 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: And that kath pet and Gill down there in Cremorn, 102 00:06:23,241 --> 00:06:26,401 Speaker 1: and I think you're talking about Anton Kenny. That's Hill's 103 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,201 Speaker 1: Angel who was murdered inside Dennis Allen's house. That was 104 00:06:29,241 --> 00:06:31,801 Speaker 1: a charnel house that placed there several murders in there. 105 00:06:31,921 --> 00:06:36,601 Speaker 2: There certainly were, yes, certainly, and it just fascinates me 106 00:06:36,761 --> 00:06:40,561 Speaker 2: to think that that was the norm. You know, I 107 00:06:40,601 --> 00:06:43,681 Speaker 2: hear the barrel being found in the river, and I 108 00:06:43,721 --> 00:06:47,281 Speaker 2: know it's my brother in law. And it's just normal. 109 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,681 Speaker 2: I mean prior to that, like we've spoken about my 110 00:06:52,241 --> 00:06:56,681 Speaker 2: childhood sexual assault that I wasn't aware of until I've 111 00:06:56,721 --> 00:07:01,161 Speaker 2: done an amazing boxing program and that consisted of my 112 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,641 Speaker 2: first time was four, my next time was eight, and 113 00:07:06,681 --> 00:07:12,081 Speaker 2: then gang rate from eleven to thirteen by the Carlton Boys. 114 00:07:13,161 --> 00:07:19,121 Speaker 2: So I didn't know I was almost worthless or lovable 115 00:07:20,121 --> 00:07:22,721 Speaker 2: until my dad come into my life. 116 00:07:23,241 --> 00:07:25,721 Speaker 1: You know what, You've never told me that part of 117 00:07:25,761 --> 00:07:28,641 Speaker 1: the story. No, And it chills me to my bones. 118 00:07:28,681 --> 00:07:30,921 Speaker 1: That's just I already knew you'd been through a lot, 119 00:07:30,921 --> 00:07:33,121 Speaker 1: but that's just beyond. 120 00:07:32,961 --> 00:07:37,481 Speaker 2: Imagining it is it is? But like I always say, 121 00:07:37,481 --> 00:07:41,161 Speaker 2: I'm the chosen one, aren't I? Why why? And I 122 00:07:41,241 --> 00:07:44,921 Speaker 2: have the courage to speak and my passion is to 123 00:07:45,081 --> 00:07:50,761 Speaker 2: pay my lifetime of abuse forward. Like why did I 124 00:07:50,921 --> 00:07:55,041 Speaker 2: end up like that? Is it Dad's brains and Mum's strength. 125 00:07:56,321 --> 00:07:57,081 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. 126 00:07:57,401 --> 00:07:59,561 Speaker 1: I think the religious people talk about God gives us 127 00:07:59,601 --> 00:08:02,121 Speaker 1: our own burden to carry because he knows we're strong enough, 128 00:08:02,161 --> 00:08:03,081 Speaker 1: and you've proven that. 129 00:08:03,441 --> 00:08:04,561 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. 130 00:08:05,121 --> 00:08:08,281 Speaker 1: At the same time, and I don't want to overshadow Natroman, 131 00:08:08,321 --> 00:08:12,961 Speaker 1: You've definitely suffered, But being a partner to an underworld 132 00:08:13,001 --> 00:08:17,081 Speaker 1: figure had a certain racy, thrilling element to it. 133 00:08:17,841 --> 00:08:21,881 Speaker 2: Try to describe that, Oh, it definitely did. Going from 134 00:08:21,881 --> 00:08:26,681 Speaker 2: the days to oh where did I start? Would have 135 00:08:26,681 --> 00:08:31,921 Speaker 2: been Olfonse, Mark Jason. After the gang rate was happening, 136 00:08:31,961 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: Mark sort of took me under his wing and tried 137 00:08:35,201 --> 00:08:37,961 Speaker 2: to show me a different way. Mike Moran, Yes, didn't 138 00:08:37,961 --> 00:08:40,881 Speaker 2: abuse me or anything like that. That went on to 139 00:08:41,241 --> 00:08:44,281 Speaker 2: you know, nightclubbing at fifteen, like I said, with ol 140 00:08:44,321 --> 00:08:48,001 Speaker 2: Fonts and then people the doors just open, you know. 141 00:08:48,001 --> 00:08:50,281 Speaker 1: Alphonse Gangitana, the Black Prince of leg On Street. 142 00:08:50,481 --> 00:08:53,041 Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. And now the doors of the 143 00:08:53,081 --> 00:08:55,641 Speaker 2: nightclub just open. The drinks are lined up, the drugs 144 00:08:55,641 --> 00:09:00,041 Speaker 2: are there, whatever you want, you know, bags of diamonds 145 00:09:00,161 --> 00:09:03,881 Speaker 2: can come into the Jaiker Jaiker Hotel, you name it. 146 00:09:04,521 --> 00:09:06,761 Speaker 2: And there's an other thing, Adam. When I was about 147 00:09:07,761 --> 00:09:12,121 Speaker 2: I would have been just after Gary Abdallah was murdered. No, 148 00:09:12,281 --> 00:09:14,841 Speaker 2: Gary Abdallah was still alive actually because he ended up 149 00:09:14,881 --> 00:09:18,081 Speaker 2: with the gun. I don't know whether this is going 150 00:09:18,121 --> 00:09:20,601 Speaker 2: to get me in trouble or not, but I picked 151 00:09:20,681 --> 00:09:26,401 Speaker 2: up a policeman's gun outside Ragan's nightclub, in Essendon. I 152 00:09:26,481 --> 00:09:30,041 Speaker 2: give that gun to Gary ab Della. Now I'm not 153 00:09:30,081 --> 00:09:33,361 Speaker 2: sure what that was used for or what that was 154 00:09:33,481 --> 00:09:39,761 Speaker 2: used in afterwards, Like honestly, I would have been maybe 155 00:09:39,801 --> 00:09:42,961 Speaker 2: fifteen or sixteen by this stage. 156 00:09:42,921 --> 00:09:46,921 Speaker 1: Because Abdellah was part of the Flemington crew of armed robbers, 157 00:09:46,921 --> 00:09:50,321 Speaker 1: including Victor Pierce, Graham Jensen and a whole bunch of others, 158 00:09:50,361 --> 00:09:53,801 Speaker 1: and they obviously went on to infamy. After Graham Jensen 159 00:09:53,881 --> 00:09:55,881 Speaker 1: was killed by police, they went on to kill two 160 00:09:55,921 --> 00:09:58,961 Speaker 1: police officers in Wall Street, South Era. That's right, But 161 00:09:59,521 --> 00:10:02,081 Speaker 1: you wonder whether that might have been part of that. 162 00:10:03,121 --> 00:10:07,241 Speaker 2: Yeah, I often wonder where that ended up, like the 163 00:10:07,281 --> 00:10:10,681 Speaker 2: gun from h Division. And imagine if that bag of 164 00:10:10,681 --> 00:10:13,721 Speaker 2: orange heroin, the highest grade of heroin that's ever been 165 00:10:13,761 --> 00:10:15,601 Speaker 2: in Australia, had killed. 166 00:10:15,361 --> 00:10:18,401 Speaker 1: My sisters, because you lost all three. 167 00:10:19,241 --> 00:10:21,921 Speaker 2: In the end, Yes, in the end, one hung herself, 168 00:10:23,441 --> 00:10:29,241 Speaker 2: Sissy who married Dennis in prison. Tammy died in a 169 00:10:29,281 --> 00:10:34,521 Speaker 2: street in Carlton in a car, and Carrie died eleven 170 00:10:34,561 --> 00:10:39,281 Speaker 2: hours after being released from prison. But she did rob 171 00:10:39,401 --> 00:10:44,681 Speaker 2: the Chinese mafia, so we're not sure whether she had 172 00:10:44,681 --> 00:10:45,441 Speaker 2: a hot shot or. 173 00:10:45,401 --> 00:10:47,921 Speaker 1: Not hot shot being someone administered that to her, to 174 00:10:48,041 --> 00:10:48,961 Speaker 1: kill her, to murder her. 175 00:10:49,161 --> 00:10:51,361 Speaker 2: Yeah, footscrade, train station, car park. 176 00:10:51,761 --> 00:10:54,241 Speaker 1: And the problem is, back in those days, someone like 177 00:10:54,281 --> 00:10:57,001 Speaker 1: your sister, they would be hard pressed to get a 178 00:10:57,041 --> 00:10:58,001 Speaker 1: proper investigation. 179 00:10:58,281 --> 00:11:02,761 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like they were just they weren't treated 180 00:11:02,801 --> 00:11:05,881 Speaker 2: as humans back then, because Heroin added, it's not like 181 00:11:05,921 --> 00:11:11,201 Speaker 2: it is today. You know, I could just being tormented 182 00:11:11,241 --> 00:11:15,201 Speaker 2: and laughed at. And I had a dream that a 183 00:11:15,241 --> 00:11:18,721 Speaker 2: friend's dad died, and silly me went to school and 184 00:11:18,801 --> 00:11:21,081 Speaker 2: told her I've never met the man in my life. 185 00:11:21,121 --> 00:11:23,841 Speaker 2: And the next day he fell asleep at the wheel 186 00:11:23,881 --> 00:11:27,041 Speaker 2: of his truck and died. So I was once again 187 00:11:27,081 --> 00:11:30,161 Speaker 2: after being the gang right. Then it went on to 188 00:11:30,281 --> 00:11:34,681 Speaker 2: bullying because everyone blamed me for her dad dying. And 189 00:11:34,721 --> 00:11:40,521 Speaker 2: then by thirteen, first partner, first black eye. 190 00:11:39,601 --> 00:11:42,881 Speaker 1: The start of unspeakable violence because you went from the 191 00:11:42,921 --> 00:11:45,441 Speaker 1: frying pan into the fire because you ended up hooking 192 00:11:45,561 --> 00:11:48,361 Speaker 1: up with a man named Peter yep and what was 193 00:11:48,361 --> 00:11:49,001 Speaker 1: his background? 194 00:11:49,761 --> 00:11:52,681 Speaker 2: Watch dad beat mum, so thought it was okay to 195 00:11:52,761 --> 00:11:56,601 Speaker 2: do it. Buddy's brother was an AFL footballer. So your 196 00:11:56,681 --> 00:12:01,161 Speaker 2: choices are what make the difference. As I've learned, as 197 00:12:01,201 --> 00:12:05,721 Speaker 2: I'm recovering what I've worked out with perpetrators people with 198 00:12:05,801 --> 00:12:11,561 Speaker 2: narcissism disorder. They don't change, you have to. I'm still 199 00:12:12,801 --> 00:12:17,161 Speaker 2: to this day being tormented by my last partner to 200 00:12:17,841 --> 00:12:21,601 Speaker 2: his daughter, a twenty two year old that he's now 201 00:12:21,641 --> 00:12:25,121 Speaker 2: turned the abuse to her. Yeah. 202 00:12:25,241 --> 00:12:26,961 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an endless cycle. 203 00:12:27,201 --> 00:12:28,281 Speaker 2: It is, it is. 204 00:12:28,481 --> 00:12:31,761 Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's go back to Peter though. Yep, he 205 00:12:32,441 --> 00:12:35,321 Speaker 1: you discovered later. There was happy times in the beginning, 206 00:12:35,361 --> 00:12:37,321 Speaker 1: I presume, but there was always violence. 207 00:12:37,521 --> 00:12:41,521 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So first black Eye at thirteen, like there, 208 00:12:41,561 --> 00:12:45,321 Speaker 2: I had to He was so possessed with me that 209 00:12:45,481 --> 00:12:48,921 Speaker 2: I had to ride my pushbike from Princess Hill High 210 00:12:48,921 --> 00:12:51,521 Speaker 2: School to Melbourne UNI every lunch time because that's where 211 00:12:51,561 --> 00:12:54,481 Speaker 2: mum worked, to sit with her. So I couldn't speak 212 00:12:54,481 --> 00:12:58,161 Speaker 2: to anyone, couldn't look at anyone at school, and then 213 00:12:58,321 --> 00:13:01,761 Speaker 2: ride back within forty five minutes or something. You know, 214 00:13:02,001 --> 00:13:05,601 Speaker 2: all my lunch money went to him black Eyes. Often 215 00:13:06,601 --> 00:13:10,241 Speaker 2: going to school with black Eyes, Adam, like the duty 216 00:13:10,281 --> 00:13:14,801 Speaker 2: of care being gang raped. I got pregnant and the 217 00:13:14,881 --> 00:13:18,401 Speaker 2: school knew and they called me in the office and 218 00:13:18,481 --> 00:13:21,681 Speaker 2: nothing has ever been done. I went to school with 219 00:13:21,721 --> 00:13:27,361 Speaker 2: black eyes, no duty of care, and I'm chasing you know, 220 00:13:27,601 --> 00:13:33,521 Speaker 2: chasing some kind of reimbursement for what I've been through 221 00:13:33,921 --> 00:13:36,721 Speaker 2: in school and them knowing what was happening. It was 222 00:13:36,761 --> 00:13:40,601 Speaker 2: happening at lunch time, but not on school grounds. 223 00:13:40,961 --> 00:13:44,441 Speaker 1: So you think you might go a financial compensation hopefully. Well, 224 00:13:44,441 --> 00:13:46,241 Speaker 1: I think that's quite reasonable. I mean, there is a 225 00:13:46,321 --> 00:13:48,521 Speaker 1: duty of care there, and there was even back then 226 00:13:48,521 --> 00:13:50,801 Speaker 1: there was a thing called the police. Yes, who could 227 00:13:50,801 --> 00:13:52,841 Speaker 1: have been called in. Yeah, I mean I think back 228 00:13:52,921 --> 00:13:55,521 Speaker 1: in those days though, I feel like violence against young 229 00:13:55,521 --> 00:13:58,081 Speaker 1: women in particular was almost like a social welfare issue 230 00:13:58,521 --> 00:13:59,321 Speaker 1: rather than a crime. 231 00:13:59,521 --> 00:14:03,241 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. In the end, with Peter, to get away 232 00:14:03,241 --> 00:14:05,801 Speaker 2: from him, I used to have to have a taxi 233 00:14:05,841 --> 00:14:09,361 Speaker 2: waiting outside the school and get a taxi quickly home 234 00:14:09,441 --> 00:14:13,441 Speaker 2: to the Carlton flat and run up the stairs. But 235 00:14:13,561 --> 00:14:15,921 Speaker 2: then there might be two nights later where he'd be 236 00:14:16,001 --> 00:14:19,161 Speaker 2: outside at two in the morning, I'd go downstairs to 237 00:14:19,281 --> 00:14:21,801 Speaker 2: him and wake up with two black eyes and no 238 00:14:21,961 --> 00:14:22,961 Speaker 2: questions asked. 239 00:14:25,041 --> 00:14:27,081 Speaker 1: So how did you finally get away from that relationship? 240 00:14:29,881 --> 00:14:33,801 Speaker 2: When I think about it, it's I'm not sure. I 241 00:14:33,841 --> 00:14:37,241 Speaker 2: think I realized that there was more to life and 242 00:14:37,361 --> 00:14:40,601 Speaker 2: I wanted to do something with myself, like I was 243 00:14:40,681 --> 00:14:45,881 Speaker 2: so desperate at school, I called my woodwork teacher dad, Like, 244 00:14:46,001 --> 00:14:50,761 Speaker 2: I was so desperate for love. That's all I ever wanted, 245 00:14:52,201 --> 00:14:54,601 Speaker 2: and that's what I chase, But I chased it with 246 00:14:54,681 --> 00:14:57,721 Speaker 2: the wrong people. Now I know, as long as I 247 00:14:57,801 --> 00:15:02,961 Speaker 2: love myself, that's the main thing. But yeah, Like, how 248 00:15:03,001 --> 00:15:08,001 Speaker 2: desperate's that you to be calling you would work teacher dad. 249 00:15:08,561 --> 00:15:11,681 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's natural in that circumstance where you're 250 00:15:11,681 --> 00:15:12,361 Speaker 1: not getting any. 251 00:15:12,961 --> 00:15:16,161 Speaker 2: He resembled the look of my dad, and I just 252 00:15:16,481 --> 00:15:18,441 Speaker 2: I think it was probably one of the first men 253 00:15:18,521 --> 00:15:22,521 Speaker 2: that understood what I was going through and took some care. 254 00:15:22,881 --> 00:15:25,241 Speaker 1: Because your real dad was far away. Yeah, and he 255 00:15:25,601 --> 00:15:28,761 Speaker 1: started his own family in another place. Yes, Yeah, And 256 00:15:28,881 --> 00:15:31,401 Speaker 1: you must have thought about him over the years. 257 00:15:31,761 --> 00:15:35,481 Speaker 2: From the minute he left, I thought, if my dad left, 258 00:15:36,481 --> 00:15:39,521 Speaker 2: it was my fault. And then it was when I 259 00:15:39,641 --> 00:15:44,521 Speaker 2: was about thirty eight forty I realized, no, Dad left 260 00:15:44,641 --> 00:15:47,801 Speaker 2: because he loved me. So from forty to fifty four 261 00:15:47,841 --> 00:15:51,681 Speaker 2: when you found him, that question lingered in my head 262 00:15:52,641 --> 00:15:54,761 Speaker 2: that did he leave because he loved me? Or did 263 00:15:54,801 --> 00:15:55,801 Speaker 2: he leave because he. 264 00:15:55,721 --> 00:15:58,721 Speaker 1: Didn't love me and he was scared of the consequences. 265 00:15:58,921 --> 00:16:00,241 Speaker 1: We'll jump forward to be here. He was scared of 266 00:16:00,281 --> 00:16:02,841 Speaker 1: the consequences. And when I did find him and I 267 00:16:02,881 --> 00:16:05,641 Speaker 1: called him, and initially he sort of went, no, I 268 00:16:05,641 --> 00:16:08,361 Speaker 1: don't have a daughter, And I said, yes you do, mate, 269 00:16:08,641 --> 00:16:10,441 Speaker 1: Yes you do, and you should be proud of her. 270 00:16:10,961 --> 00:16:13,801 Speaker 1: And I'd like to reintroduce you. And that was the 271 00:16:13,841 --> 00:16:16,801 Speaker 1: start of your revival. But you had to go through 272 00:16:16,841 --> 00:16:20,321 Speaker 1: so many years of drama. Peter was off the scene. 273 00:16:20,321 --> 00:16:22,361 Speaker 1: But then John, the man. 274 00:16:22,281 --> 00:16:27,881 Speaker 2: You married yep at nineteen years of age in Pintroridge. Yeah, 275 00:16:28,161 --> 00:16:35,761 Speaker 2: there was. He was a small time crook, yeah, rapist, rapist, murderer, pedophile, 276 00:16:37,721 --> 00:16:38,561 Speaker 2: not so small. 277 00:16:38,281 --> 00:16:41,681 Speaker 1: Time actually no, but certainly not a big criminal name 278 00:16:41,721 --> 00:16:42,481 Speaker 1: of the underworld. 279 00:16:42,681 --> 00:16:45,281 Speaker 2: No, don't go and rob a bank in your own car, 280 00:16:45,401 --> 00:16:47,321 Speaker 2: do you? 281 00:16:47,441 --> 00:16:50,201 Speaker 1: Yeah? Trap for young players, rob the bank in your 282 00:16:50,201 --> 00:16:55,401 Speaker 1: own car? Yeah, Because later on you discovered he wasn't 283 00:16:55,441 --> 00:16:58,401 Speaker 1: just abusing you. He was a serial rapist who became 284 00:16:58,441 --> 00:17:00,481 Speaker 1: known as the Heidelberg Rapist in Melbourne. 285 00:17:00,561 --> 00:17:03,241 Speaker 2: Yes he was, and that never stopped at him. But 286 00:17:03,281 --> 00:17:06,321 Speaker 2: I wasn't aware he was raping. And the whole time I. 287 00:17:06,281 --> 00:17:09,441 Speaker 1: Was with him, how many victims. 288 00:17:10,561 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 2: Ten including nieces and my mother. 289 00:17:14,201 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: Your own mother that one point twice you're telling me 290 00:17:19,201 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: new things here, Kelly. 291 00:17:20,561 --> 00:17:24,041 Speaker 2: No one ever told me Adam until he tried to kill. 292 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,561 Speaker 1: Me because you I'm not going to say it was 293 00:17:27,561 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: a stable family, but you stayed together. There was a union, 294 00:17:31,721 --> 00:17:34,201 Speaker 1: that's call it that. But it was full of violence. 295 00:17:34,761 --> 00:17:39,961 Speaker 2: There were children, Yep, my first baby. Unfortunately I lost 296 00:17:39,961 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 2: a hydro cafless Heather Eve. She would be thirty seven, 297 00:17:44,721 --> 00:17:48,041 Speaker 2: nearly thirty eight. Makes me feel a bit old. And then, 298 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:50,881 Speaker 2: like we spoke about in the last podcast, was their 299 00:17:50,921 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: sexual abuse with John, Yes, there was, because I had 300 00:17:53,761 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: four children under four, including twins. Yeah, and I was 301 00:17:59,321 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 2: just now that I can look back at it, I 302 00:18:01,241 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: was just like a slave, Just like a slave if 303 00:18:04,521 --> 00:18:07,161 Speaker 2: I didn't get that dinner on the table looking after 304 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: four kids underfore, you fat, lazy bitch, What have you 305 00:18:09,921 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: been doing all day? But I didn't realize that that 306 00:18:12,681 --> 00:18:15,361 Speaker 2: was abuse. And there was not a lot of physical 307 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:21,321 Speaker 2: abuse with John, but the mental and the torment and 308 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: everything that goes in between. 309 00:18:23,441 --> 00:18:25,801 Speaker 1: And finally you had to get away, not just from 310 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,001 Speaker 1: him but from this state. 311 00:18:27,561 --> 00:18:32,001 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, what happened. Yes, So John and Henry Morhun 312 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: killed a man that had robbed Henry's wife for a 313 00:18:36,761 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 2: gold bracelet. He come home and told me once again, 314 00:18:41,801 --> 00:18:46,281 Speaker 2: another murder. I don't do anything with it. It was 315 00:18:46,321 --> 00:18:49,921 Speaker 2: a really interesting scary time Adam because he wouldn't take 316 00:18:49,961 --> 00:18:55,681 Speaker 2: police protection, so he was still going to court with Henry. 317 00:18:56,281 --> 00:18:57,761 Speaker 2: Although he turned. 318 00:18:57,521 --> 00:18:59,001 Speaker 1: Dog, he was giving up his brother. 319 00:18:59,201 --> 00:19:04,001 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, we went into witness protection. We 320 00:19:04,201 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: changed name. Hims moved from Frankston to Mornington because he 321 00:19:08,321 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 2: thought he could look after us. Had to change names 322 00:19:11,681 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 2: again because Henry apparently found out who we were and 323 00:19:17,481 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: in that witness protection wheel, Oh my god, that was terrifying. 324 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,441 Speaker 2: You know, there was you got to go to all 325 00:19:26,521 --> 00:19:31,281 Speaker 2: these undisclosed places almost you know, to get a tax 326 00:19:31,321 --> 00:19:34,401 Speaker 2: file number, to get on the plane, like to go 327 00:19:34,481 --> 00:19:38,001 Speaker 2: to court. We were living up in Queensland and that 328 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,001 Speaker 2: system was terrifying. One night we were in a motel 329 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:47,201 Speaker 2: in Bell Street, Preston, and homicide squad detective was with us, 330 00:19:47,761 --> 00:19:50,561 Speaker 2: and the people downstairs who run the hotel knew something 331 00:19:50,681 --> 00:19:54,281 Speaker 2: was happening but didn't know what it was. I had 332 00:19:54,360 --> 00:20:00,001 Speaker 2: the two kids, very pregnant with my twins. They ring 333 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: up about twelve o'clock and say, we've just found a 334 00:20:02,481 --> 00:20:05,761 Speaker 2: man outside your door. He said, he's d here last 335 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,521 Speaker 2: night and he's looking for the toilet. So thank goodness, 336 00:20:09,681 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 2: a homicide squad detective was armed. And I'm standing in 337 00:20:14,961 --> 00:20:19,281 Speaker 2: this motel room with two kids, heavily pregnant. Why they 338 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: run out to look for him, and that took about 339 00:20:22,521 --> 00:20:27,761 Speaker 2: half an hour. Oh god, I was thinking he's waiting 340 00:20:27,801 --> 00:20:30,041 Speaker 2: around for that plan for them to run to come 341 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:35,121 Speaker 2: and get me. And when John did turn witness protection 342 00:20:35,321 --> 00:20:39,281 Speaker 2: protected witness, I imagined that I would be murdered by 343 00:20:39,281 --> 00:20:43,201 Speaker 2: Henry all the time. Yeah, he was a bad, bad man. 344 00:20:43,961 --> 00:20:48,281 Speaker 2: And yeah, him and John did some disgusting things together, 345 00:20:49,041 --> 00:20:53,561 Speaker 2: made friends in jail, as you do, and yeah, I 346 00:20:53,681 --> 00:20:55,041 Speaker 2: was still learning the lesson. 347 00:20:55,201 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: And that's the funny thing about if you give States evidence, 348 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,561 Speaker 1: your name is suppressed forever until after your death. So 349 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,681 Speaker 1: it prevented you from telling the story in a full 350 00:21:08,721 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: way and identifying him and also possibly giving other victims 351 00:21:13,321 --> 00:21:16,681 Speaker 1: a chance to know, yes, this was the man who 352 00:21:16,761 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: raped you. 353 00:21:17,481 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. When we went to court against Henry, his 354 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: record ended up in the room with the jury, so 355 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 2: he I don't know anyway, he got off it. He 356 00:21:32,481 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 2: got off it, and we'd moved, we'd changed names, We've 357 00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:37,721 Speaker 2: done everything. I got a phone call from the witness 358 00:21:37,721 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: protection place, I can remember it quite significantly, telling me 359 00:21:42,681 --> 00:21:46,041 Speaker 2: that he got off. I just sat on that phone 360 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:49,161 Speaker 2: and sobbed for I reckon. It was about an hour 361 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: while the copper listened to me, tried to console me. Yeah, 362 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: I thought Dan, for sure he's going to come. And 363 00:21:56,481 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 2: I always thought that he'd get me, cut me up 364 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:01,961 Speaker 2: into little pieces, put me in an envelope, and send 365 00:22:01,961 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 2: me back to John. But in the end it was 366 00:22:04,241 --> 00:22:06,321 Speaker 2: John that almost cut me up. 367 00:22:07,281 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: Let's get to that. 368 00:22:08,041 --> 00:22:13,761 Speaker 2: What happened, Okay, So there wasn't violence, and there was 369 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,001 Speaker 2: all the other abuse that I didn't understand. I thought 370 00:22:18,041 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: a black eye was violent still though I'd lived it 371 00:22:20,561 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: for thirty something years, and I thought a black eye 372 00:22:23,441 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 2: was full of love. There was lots of arguing of things. 373 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,281 Speaker 2: We had four children under four. He worked fifteen hours 374 00:22:30,321 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 2: a day. He was drinking a lot that was trying 375 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:37,961 Speaker 2: to hide from me. One day I found a marijuana 376 00:22:38,001 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 2: plant growing out in the backyard, and my mum was 377 00:22:41,241 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 2: up on a holiday and I said, no chance, and 378 00:22:45,201 --> 00:22:47,281 Speaker 2: I went out and put it over the back fence 379 00:22:47,281 --> 00:22:51,281 Speaker 2: and smashed it. And Mum was absolutely terrified because he 380 00:22:51,321 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: hasn't got home from school, and he walked in and 381 00:22:54,721 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: he went out and found it, and he walked in 382 00:22:56,961 --> 00:23:02,801 Speaker 2: and he said, fuck your gout balls. So that must 383 00:23:02,801 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 2: have been one of his good days. He told people 384 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,201 Speaker 2: at work for six weeks where he was working, watch 385 00:23:09,321 --> 00:23:12,321 Speaker 2: the news, Watch what I'm going to do. Watch the news, 386 00:23:12,321 --> 00:23:15,041 Speaker 2: Watch what I'm going to do. I took an intervention 387 00:23:15,281 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: order out on him three weeks prior because I was 388 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,921 Speaker 2: getting threats. He went to my workplace at Westfield Shopping Town, 389 00:23:23,001 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 2: cut up all my car tires. He went to my 390 00:23:26,281 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 2: house with my four year old son, cut up with 391 00:23:29,001 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 2: my work clothes. I was working for Fletcher Jones, so 392 00:23:32,441 --> 00:23:35,761 Speaker 2: even though I had the four kids under four, still 393 00:23:36,041 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: wanted to go to work. After we'd separated, he would 394 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,801 Speaker 2: hassle me. He'd ring the work, he'd drop the kids off, 395 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,921 Speaker 2: you know, earlier than what he should it, so I'd 396 00:23:45,961 --> 00:23:47,681 Speaker 2: have to leave work. It was a lot of Now 397 00:23:47,681 --> 00:23:53,041 Speaker 2: I no coercive control, and I ended up becoming friends 398 00:23:53,041 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 2: with a lovely guy. He would have the kids on 399 00:23:55,681 --> 00:24:00,121 Speaker 2: the weekend and one of the kids said, Ken's at 400 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,561 Speaker 2: mummy's house. And well, from then, the threats in front 401 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 2: of my children. Of what he would wear was a 402 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: father's day outfit. I'd bought him prior from the children, 403 00:24:12,681 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 2: from Fletcher Jones where he would do it, how he 404 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: would do it, and when he would do it. And 405 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 2: not only that, he made my four year old son 406 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 2: that had been listening for three weeks what he was 407 00:24:26,441 --> 00:24:30,321 Speaker 2: going to do to me, choose the knife to kill 408 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,521 Speaker 2: his mother. My son didn't tell me till he was sixteen. 409 00:24:36,521 --> 00:24:40,721 Speaker 2: And then you're at work, yep, I'm at work. I've 410 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: dropped the twenties off at day Kemm because he had 411 00:24:47,201 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: James and Paris, the older two, for three weeks. I'm 412 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:56,121 Speaker 2: in witness protection three weeks. And the police were too 413 00:24:56,241 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: scared to go and serve an intervention in order on 414 00:24:59,201 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 2: him to get witness protection, please from down here to 415 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: let him know he's going to be so. And then 416 00:25:06,201 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 2: about ten coppers went there to serve him. But I 417 00:25:09,681 --> 00:25:12,521 Speaker 2: had to go to a refuge with the two kids 418 00:25:12,921 --> 00:25:15,241 Speaker 2: for three weeks. He wouldn't give James and Paris back, 419 00:25:15,281 --> 00:25:17,561 Speaker 2: and they were too scared to go and do anything. 420 00:25:17,921 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: And that piece of paper made no difference anywhere. 421 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like a magic carpet right almost, 422 00:25:22,961 --> 00:25:25,561 Speaker 2: you know, you lifted up and then all of a 423 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: sudden boom, it's just worthless. That made him a lot worse, 424 00:25:32,521 --> 00:25:36,281 Speaker 2: as in, that's when I'm going to kill you, or 425 00:25:36,321 --> 00:25:38,961 Speaker 2: I'm going to slice your lips off, so another man, 426 00:25:39,001 --> 00:25:43,801 Speaker 2: I'll never look at you. Lots of different threats, and yeah, 427 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,321 Speaker 2: the day come what happened. He was wearing what he 428 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,001 Speaker 2: told me he'd be wearing, and I could see him 429 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,521 Speaker 2: walking towards me. I was working with my boss at 430 00:25:53,561 --> 00:25:56,761 Speaker 2: the time. The work knew what was going on because 431 00:25:56,761 --> 00:26:02,761 Speaker 2: he was ringing Fletcher Jones, threatening everyone, and he had 432 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: James and Paris in the car with him down in 433 00:26:05,281 --> 00:26:09,281 Speaker 2: a Westfield shopping town car park. The flatmate was driving, 434 00:26:09,481 --> 00:26:12,001 Speaker 2: and he said to the flatmate, as soon as you 435 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,641 Speaker 2: hear sirens take off, So he had fears spilt down 436 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,281 Speaker 2: in the front of him. I could see him walking 437 00:26:18,281 --> 00:26:21,041 Speaker 2: towards me, and I could see that. Then I could 438 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,481 Speaker 2: smell it, and I noticed that his shirt was sort 439 00:26:23,481 --> 00:26:27,041 Speaker 2: of tucked out from the front of his pants. And 440 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 2: he said to me, you can't lay these charges, And 441 00:26:29,761 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 2: I said, what charges. It's bloody intervention order to teach 442 00:26:32,721 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 2: you you can't do what you want. And he was 443 00:26:37,241 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 2: walking towards a corner and I was following him to 444 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,281 Speaker 2: shut him up and not, you know, cause any chaos. 445 00:26:45,001 --> 00:26:47,201 Speaker 2: And I've seen him put his hand in his right 446 00:26:47,241 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 2: pocket and then her pulls out a fileting knife and 447 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,961 Speaker 2: starts slashing at me. Basically, I have scars literally from 448 00:26:57,001 --> 00:27:00,120 Speaker 2: head to toe on my face. There are four cuts, 449 00:27:01,561 --> 00:27:04,161 Speaker 2: maybe through the control. He thought, well, if I can't 450 00:27:04,201 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 2: kill her, mame person, I want to look at her again. 451 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: That's what he always told me. And he did what 452 00:27:11,001 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 2: he tried to do. There was no security, there was 453 00:27:14,321 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: no help. There was a cleaner with a couple of 454 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,321 Speaker 2: disposable nappies I could put on my face and my back, 455 00:27:22,561 --> 00:27:25,561 Speaker 2: my bum. I had a white dress on that was red. 456 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 2: They took me to the store next door. 457 00:27:29,521 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: He actually because then this cowardly piece of whatever, he 458 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: turned the knife on himself. 459 00:27:36,201 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: It didn't work. He can't even do that, right, But 460 00:27:39,721 --> 00:27:42,721 Speaker 2: I so went ran to help him. And I could 461 00:27:42,721 --> 00:27:45,801 Speaker 2: hear my boss screaming my name in the background, Cali Cally, 462 00:27:46,201 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 2: So thank goodness you ran to help him. Yeah, yep, desperately, 463 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:57,041 Speaker 2: desperately Why because that's the person I am. Yeah, got 464 00:27:57,041 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 2: a heart of gold with a diamond in the middle. 465 00:28:00,321 --> 00:28:05,321 Speaker 2: I think that's that's the person I am. And there's 466 00:28:05,321 --> 00:28:06,121 Speaker 2: no other answer. 467 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,321 Speaker 1: It's true. Yeah, but you survived that. What happened to him? 468 00:28:11,521 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: Okay? So he went to hospital. He stabbed himself twice 469 00:28:17,041 --> 00:28:19,921 Speaker 2: and the third time hit the sternum, so it sort 470 00:28:19,921 --> 00:28:23,281 Speaker 2: of saved his life. But when they got him to hospital, 471 00:28:23,321 --> 00:28:25,961 Speaker 2: they performed an operation on him that had never been 472 00:28:26,001 --> 00:28:29,521 Speaker 2: performed before. So he had a sack of blood growing 473 00:28:29,561 --> 00:28:33,321 Speaker 2: around his heart and they had to pierce it and 474 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 2: that saved his life. 475 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,321 Speaker 1: So the next worthless life it was. 476 00:28:38,481 --> 00:28:41,801 Speaker 2: Yeah, the next week in the career mail in Queensland, 477 00:28:42,241 --> 00:28:45,681 Speaker 2: a double page right up of these wonderful doctors, how 478 00:28:45,681 --> 00:28:51,321 Speaker 2: they saved this man's life. No explanation of why he 479 00:28:51,441 --> 00:28:55,321 Speaker 2: was stabbed, what he'd done, or anything like that. Just 480 00:28:55,361 --> 00:29:00,041 Speaker 2: an amazing story about these amazing doctors. And he was 481 00:29:00,081 --> 00:29:01,561 Speaker 2: in charge with attempted murder? 482 00:29:02,441 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: What was he charged with? 483 00:29:03,401 --> 00:29:04,641 Speaker 2: Going equip to harm? 484 00:29:05,081 --> 00:29:10,521 Speaker 1: That's all? Yep? Was that the end of the story 485 00:29:10,561 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: with John and. 486 00:29:11,361 --> 00:29:14,281 Speaker 2: You Not really he come back into the kid's life. 487 00:29:15,121 --> 00:29:21,041 Speaker 2: When did he die? I think he died about two sixteen, maybe, yeah, 488 00:29:21,161 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: because Yep. That's when I had the courage to start talking. 489 00:29:24,921 --> 00:29:27,401 Speaker 2: I changed my life, really because I didn't have to 490 00:29:27,401 --> 00:29:30,361 Speaker 2: sit in a restaurant with my back to the wall. 491 00:29:31,001 --> 00:29:33,201 Speaker 2: I knew we couldn't come and kill me anymore, which 492 00:29:33,321 --> 00:29:35,041 Speaker 2: is I thought would be the end. 493 00:29:35,321 --> 00:29:38,841 Speaker 1: He died of cancer, I believe, Yeah, and karma and karma, Yeah, 494 00:29:39,081 --> 00:29:41,601 Speaker 1: they called it right. Wack got his right wack maybe. 495 00:29:41,441 --> 00:29:46,721 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, probably wasn't slow enough though, But he ended 496 00:29:46,801 --> 00:29:51,001 Speaker 2: up remarrying I think Adam, and had no fucking ears. 497 00:29:51,001 --> 00:29:53,921 Speaker 2: He cut them off and slushed flushed them down the 498 00:29:53,921 --> 00:29:56,281 Speaker 2: toilet because he couldn't see his children because he tried 499 00:29:56,281 --> 00:29:59,961 Speaker 2: to kill their mother. But some crazy woman married him 500 00:30:00,281 --> 00:30:04,841 Speaker 2: and he had some superannuation and my kids weren't even 501 00:30:04,881 --> 00:30:05,881 Speaker 2: in title to that. 502 00:30:06,441 --> 00:30:06,561 Speaker 1: You know. 503 00:30:06,601 --> 00:30:12,121 Speaker 2: I've never had a scent maintenance. Never. Yeah. So I've 504 00:30:12,121 --> 00:30:17,681 Speaker 2: been raped by many many, many legal systems, a lot 505 00:30:17,721 --> 00:30:21,641 Speaker 2: of systems. But I still fight because I need to 506 00:30:21,721 --> 00:30:24,841 Speaker 2: leave a legacy for this children, because I'm talking this 507 00:30:25,441 --> 00:30:28,921 Speaker 2: and this children have watched this. Because after John, I 508 00:30:28,961 --> 00:30:31,401 Speaker 2: still thought I was a worthless piece of shit and 509 00:30:31,481 --> 00:30:33,721 Speaker 2: went to the next pert well, and that was. 510 00:30:33,721 --> 00:30:36,441 Speaker 1: A continuation of the abuse. You suffered, and I don't 511 00:30:36,481 --> 00:30:38,081 Speaker 1: want to go too deep in that because this person's 512 00:30:38,081 --> 00:30:41,001 Speaker 1: still around and he's still haunting your life in certain ways. 513 00:30:41,001 --> 00:30:42,761 Speaker 1: So I don't want this to be the next signal. 514 00:30:43,201 --> 00:30:45,641 Speaker 1: And if you're listening to your cowardly piece of whatever, 515 00:30:46,081 --> 00:30:50,481 Speaker 1: you grow up. Grow up. But at least that relationship 516 00:30:50,561 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: was a turning point and you started to get some 517 00:30:53,081 --> 00:30:55,521 Speaker 1: self worth. You try to find that ability to get 518 00:30:55,521 --> 00:30:59,201 Speaker 1: away from all this. And you had another mentor which 519 00:30:59,201 --> 00:31:03,161 Speaker 1: I'm loving to throw in here, Shane Keith warn Yes 520 00:31:03,681 --> 00:31:06,881 Speaker 1: of Test cricket fame. What did Warnie help you with? 521 00:31:07,161 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 2: Well, I've loved Warnie since he was chubby with a mullet, 522 00:31:09,521 --> 00:31:12,961 Speaker 2: which he used to hate me, saying, but I'd only 523 00:31:13,001 --> 00:31:16,401 Speaker 2: been away from my last partner for three months. I 524 00:31:16,481 --> 00:31:18,801 Speaker 2: went to Crown and met him at a club there, 525 00:31:18,841 --> 00:31:22,001 Speaker 2: as you do. Sheard a little bit of my story 526 00:31:22,041 --> 00:31:25,561 Speaker 2: and he was just fascinated. In five minutes, what are 527 00:31:25,601 --> 00:31:30,881 Speaker 2: you talking about? What do you mean twenty three years 528 00:31:30,881 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 2: domestic violence and your ex husband trying to kill you? 529 00:31:34,121 --> 00:31:39,881 Speaker 2: I do not understand. And he sort of took me 530 00:31:40,001 --> 00:31:42,841 Speaker 2: under his wing and taught me that I was a 531 00:31:42,881 --> 00:31:45,641 Speaker 2: lovable human being who deserved to be loved and a 532 00:31:45,641 --> 00:31:50,161 Speaker 2: beautiful person inside and out. And the ripple effect of 533 00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:54,801 Speaker 2: that has literally changed my life. And I feel so 534 00:31:55,081 --> 00:32:00,721 Speaker 2: privileged to have had that chance. And like I said, 535 00:32:00,761 --> 00:32:02,881 Speaker 2: the ripple effect is priceless, and it goes on and 536 00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:03,361 Speaker 2: on and on. 537 00:32:03,681 --> 00:32:06,441 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't bowl of flip or a wrong or anything, 538 00:32:06,681 --> 00:32:08,401 Speaker 1: but I'm very glad to be in the same company 539 00:32:08,441 --> 00:32:11,801 Speaker 1: as Warning, because I think that gave you some self 540 00:32:11,841 --> 00:32:14,401 Speaker 1: confidence and ability to go forward. And when you saw 541 00:32:14,481 --> 00:32:17,961 Speaker 1: me in the antique store here Gray's on Clarendon's three, 542 00:32:18,241 --> 00:32:21,521 Speaker 1: let's give Steve a bunk up here. You said, I've 543 00:32:21,521 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: got a story and I want to tell you, and 544 00:32:23,041 --> 00:32:26,521 Speaker 1: I had no choice but to come and tell your story. 545 00:32:26,521 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: And it's continuing because now you become an advocate. I 546 00:32:29,601 --> 00:32:31,361 Speaker 1: have tell us all about that. 547 00:32:31,441 --> 00:32:36,481 Speaker 2: Okay. So, unfortunately, Adam, I was an alcoholic for fifteen years. 548 00:32:36,521 --> 00:32:38,761 Speaker 2: I think I haven't hid that one from you. Maybe 549 00:32:38,801 --> 00:32:41,081 Speaker 2: some Saturday nights late text you might have caught it. 550 00:32:41,641 --> 00:32:46,121 Speaker 2: But I drank up to six years a night. I 551 00:32:46,121 --> 00:32:48,161 Speaker 2: haven't had a drink for over eleven months. Nights of 552 00:32:48,281 --> 00:32:51,321 Speaker 2: June is my freedom date. That will be a year. 553 00:32:52,041 --> 00:32:54,801 Speaker 2: So as you can imagine that abuse helped me back. 554 00:32:55,161 --> 00:32:58,921 Speaker 2: I thought alcohol was the answer. Alcohol was the anxiety. 555 00:32:59,641 --> 00:33:03,641 Speaker 2: I went and did a boxing course and wrighting course 556 00:33:03,681 --> 00:33:09,401 Speaker 2: called Left Right Wriit Hook. The documentary is now on Netflix. 557 00:33:09,641 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 2: I'm not in it unfortunately. So what it does is, 558 00:33:13,601 --> 00:33:15,881 Speaker 2: I'll just go back a little bit. I spent ten 559 00:33:15,961 --> 00:33:18,801 Speaker 2: years in front of a psychiatrist, sometimes twice a week 560 00:33:18,881 --> 00:33:22,281 Speaker 2: for about a year. It did a lot, but I 561 00:33:22,481 --> 00:33:26,241 Speaker 2: still left with all this trauma in my invisible backpack 562 00:33:26,801 --> 00:33:31,121 Speaker 2: or in my guts stuck. So I've done a lot 563 00:33:31,161 --> 00:33:34,481 Speaker 2: of work, but I hadn't found me and my strength 564 00:33:34,881 --> 00:33:39,521 Speaker 2: and my courage and my passion. So this boxing course 565 00:33:39,801 --> 00:33:43,561 Speaker 2: is we go in, we get prompts. So there was 566 00:33:43,601 --> 00:33:46,401 Speaker 2: a life changing one for me. That was the second class. 567 00:33:46,801 --> 00:33:50,321 Speaker 2: I did the boxing class three rounds, so three eight 568 00:33:50,361 --> 00:33:55,121 Speaker 2: weeks times I stood up for myself. Can you imagine 569 00:33:55,121 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 2: what that looks like for me? Black and blue in 570 00:34:00,041 --> 00:34:04,041 Speaker 2: a corner, And then we went in and we punched 571 00:34:04,401 --> 00:34:07,241 Speaker 2: logs on the floor instead of the bags. We don't 572 00:34:07,241 --> 00:34:11,321 Speaker 2: punch anyone except the bags and the other equipment. And 573 00:34:11,441 --> 00:34:14,521 Speaker 2: something something happened. I don't know what it was. It 574 00:34:14,601 --> 00:34:18,201 Speaker 2: was like, okay, the trauma's moving, No one's coming to 575 00:34:18,281 --> 00:34:22,521 Speaker 2: hit me. I don't need to be scared. And gradually 576 00:34:23,121 --> 00:34:26,361 Speaker 2: I found what I needed to get rid of and 577 00:34:26,401 --> 00:34:29,841 Speaker 2: who zill had power of me? And yeah, that's what 578 00:34:29,921 --> 00:34:33,881 Speaker 2: I did just week by week wrote like my journals 579 00:34:33,881 --> 00:34:36,281 Speaker 2: would be a book. I'm going to do it again 580 00:34:36,321 --> 00:34:39,761 Speaker 2: in June. Yeah. It just taught me that you can 581 00:34:39,801 --> 00:34:41,561 Speaker 2: move the trauma at your body and when you do, 582 00:34:42,361 --> 00:34:43,961 Speaker 2: you're unstoppable. 583 00:34:43,761 --> 00:34:45,521 Speaker 1: Because there are women listening to this right now and 584 00:34:45,561 --> 00:34:49,121 Speaker 1: possibly men as well. Who in You're in a terribly 585 00:34:49,201 --> 00:34:51,801 Speaker 1: dark place, terribly dark place, but you managed. 586 00:34:52,121 --> 00:34:55,881 Speaker 2: Yeah, And if I can do it, anyone can, you know? 587 00:34:56,001 --> 00:34:58,961 Speaker 2: Losing three sisters to heroin not turning to that needle 588 00:34:59,681 --> 00:35:04,921 Speaker 2: fascinates me. And like I always like to say, they 589 00:35:05,121 --> 00:35:12,761 Speaker 2: don't change. You have to love, shouldn't hurt, and please 590 00:35:12,881 --> 00:35:17,281 Speaker 2: please please don't ask us why don't we leave? What 591 00:35:17,321 --> 00:35:20,321 Speaker 2: you can say is or the best question should be 592 00:35:20,641 --> 00:35:25,121 Speaker 2: is what can I do to help you get out safe? 593 00:35:25,241 --> 00:35:28,481 Speaker 2: Because if someone had asked me that twenty years ago, 594 00:35:28,681 --> 00:35:31,041 Speaker 2: I would have said, what do you mean safe? He 595 00:35:31,121 --> 00:35:33,521 Speaker 2: bashes me because he loves me. I'm very safe. 596 00:35:33,521 --> 00:35:36,681 Speaker 1: I'm very loved because immedia needs to learn this because 597 00:35:36,841 --> 00:35:39,481 Speaker 1: I've covered so many of these sorts of stories over 598 00:35:39,521 --> 00:35:42,001 Speaker 1: the years. And I did ask that question, why didn't 599 00:35:42,041 --> 00:35:42,401 Speaker 1: you leave? 600 00:35:42,601 --> 00:35:42,841 Speaker 2: Yep? 601 00:35:42,961 --> 00:35:45,841 Speaker 1: And I think I was deaf to the answer yep. Almost. 602 00:35:46,081 --> 00:35:48,321 Speaker 2: I was in a forum. We sent a link once 603 00:35:48,361 --> 00:35:50,321 Speaker 2: and I taught them that what do you mean why 604 00:35:50,321 --> 00:35:52,521 Speaker 2: don't we ask why don't you leave? Where do you 605 00:35:52,561 --> 00:35:54,801 Speaker 2: want me to start? Mate? Or where would you like 606 00:35:54,841 --> 00:35:57,401 Speaker 2: me to start? You've got to spare three days. I 607 00:35:57,481 --> 00:36:00,521 Speaker 2: got a son who was made to choose the knife 608 00:36:01,001 --> 00:36:05,161 Speaker 2: to kill try and kill me by his father, and 609 00:36:05,321 --> 00:36:07,601 Speaker 2: graduate year six because we had to run to an 610 00:36:07,601 --> 00:36:12,361 Speaker 2: emergency house from the next partner. So how oldould have 611 00:36:12,401 --> 00:36:17,601 Speaker 2: you been? Twelve? Like? Where do I start paying two 612 00:36:17,641 --> 00:36:20,481 Speaker 2: rents for three years? Because you have to keep your 613 00:36:20,481 --> 00:36:23,721 Speaker 2: house in the commission and pay your emergency housing rent, 614 00:36:24,681 --> 00:36:30,241 Speaker 2: selling your soul to get an intervention order, and then 615 00:36:30,401 --> 00:36:36,281 Speaker 2: being still abused and going to court and asking for 616 00:36:36,401 --> 00:36:41,481 Speaker 2: it to be extended, and the judge telling me, what 617 00:36:41,481 --> 00:36:44,121 Speaker 2: do you mean? Him coming to your door is a problem? 618 00:36:45,201 --> 00:36:48,441 Speaker 2: Like if I hadn't have been where I'd been, this 619 00:36:49,241 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 2: is stuck in my head forever. I would have read 620 00:36:52,041 --> 00:36:54,761 Speaker 2: out of that court and been abused for the rest 621 00:36:54,841 --> 00:36:55,121 Speaker 2: of my. 622 00:36:55,121 --> 00:36:57,681 Speaker 1: Life and possibly murdered. 623 00:36:57,921 --> 00:36:59,361 Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. 624 00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: You know what amazes me the stat that I think 625 00:37:01,441 --> 00:37:05,401 Speaker 1: it's one Australian woman every nine days gets murdered by 626 00:37:05,401 --> 00:37:07,721 Speaker 1: the domestic partner. I think it feels like it's. 627 00:37:07,561 --> 00:37:09,441 Speaker 2: More it's one at five at the minute. We have. 628 00:37:09,961 --> 00:37:12,041 Speaker 2: We had five and seven days a couple of weeks ago, 629 00:37:12,121 --> 00:37:13,921 Speaker 2: last week in Australia. 630 00:37:14,121 --> 00:37:16,561 Speaker 1: What is happening with our young men or men generally. 631 00:37:17,561 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 2: I think it's it's almost becoming like a war that's 632 00:37:22,481 --> 00:37:26,961 Speaker 2: almost men against women. Like when men are like that, 633 00:37:27,041 --> 00:37:31,201 Speaker 2: they think that all women are the same, and like, 634 00:37:31,521 --> 00:37:35,881 Speaker 2: I'm living proof. I could be a man hater, you know, 635 00:37:36,001 --> 00:37:39,001 Speaker 2: I could want to kill them, and I don't. I 636 00:37:39,161 --> 00:37:43,801 Speaker 2: have had five men in my life that have got 637 00:37:43,801 --> 00:37:47,801 Speaker 2: me here today, including you, including Shane, including my dad, 638 00:37:48,241 --> 00:37:52,881 Speaker 2: including that psychiatrist and then a psychologist that taught me 639 00:37:53,641 --> 00:37:58,481 Speaker 2: this isn't the way. So I think it's choices. I 640 00:37:58,521 --> 00:38:01,001 Speaker 2: think it's they have to be taught a lot longer. 641 00:38:01,081 --> 00:38:04,681 Speaker 2: I get on tram with young teenage boys and I think, 642 00:38:05,241 --> 00:38:08,201 Speaker 2: oh my god, we have got so long to go. 643 00:38:09,241 --> 00:38:13,481 Speaker 2: The law needs to be changed. One domestic violence. You 644 00:38:13,521 --> 00:38:16,121 Speaker 2: get locked up, you know, you get locked up. The 645 00:38:16,241 --> 00:38:21,081 Speaker 2: prisons are getting full, but the cemeteries are overflowing with 646 00:38:21,281 --> 00:38:25,241 Speaker 2: dead women, the thing that keep this world going. What 647 00:38:25,281 --> 00:38:29,401 Speaker 2: the fuck would you do without us? Why keep killing us? 648 00:38:29,681 --> 00:38:32,881 Speaker 1: Kelly Carterbell, you are my superhero. You've kept it all together, 649 00:38:32,921 --> 00:38:35,681 Speaker 1: You've made yourself a new future. You're still full of love, 650 00:38:36,241 --> 00:38:37,841 Speaker 1: and I'm so pleased to be a part of your 651 00:38:37,921 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: journey and to let you tell your truth to other 652 00:38:41,481 --> 00:38:44,241 Speaker 1: women and families who are listening. Because it is a 653 00:38:44,281 --> 00:38:47,041 Speaker 1: war and we have to win this one. And I 654 00:38:47,281 --> 00:38:51,361 Speaker 1: really urge people out there report it, report to get 655 00:38:51,361 --> 00:38:53,801 Speaker 1: the police involved. And if you're not getting the right 656 00:38:53,841 --> 00:38:56,241 Speaker 1: service over the counter, ask for the sergeant. If the 657 00:38:56,241 --> 00:38:58,161 Speaker 1: sergeant doesn't do what it's supposed to, get the senior 658 00:38:58,201 --> 00:39:00,761 Speaker 1: sergeant and the inspector, and do not stop. There's somebody 659 00:39:00,801 --> 00:39:03,761 Speaker 1: there in your station or in your district who will 660 00:39:03,761 --> 00:39:05,721 Speaker 1: do the business for you. And this is the only 661 00:39:05,761 --> 00:39:06,601 Speaker 1: way we're going to beat this. 662 00:39:06,801 --> 00:39:07,241 Speaker 2: That's it. 663 00:39:07,441 --> 00:39:08,681 Speaker 1: Yeah. 664 00:39:08,041 --> 00:39:11,001 Speaker 2: Yeah, And a lot of laws have to change, Adam, 665 00:39:11,041 --> 00:39:14,041 Speaker 2: A lot of laws have to change. The interventre orders 666 00:39:14,041 --> 00:39:17,881 Speaker 2: are just I know someone that's broke one hundred times 667 00:39:17,961 --> 00:39:20,401 Speaker 2: and they do high fives about it to each other. 668 00:39:20,721 --> 00:39:23,121 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we've got to remand more people, yes, 669 00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:25,961 Speaker 1: and make people safe and remember the victims here, rather 670 00:39:25,961 --> 00:39:29,161 Speaker 1: than just giving people their rights as they accused. I mean, 671 00:39:29,281 --> 00:39:31,801 Speaker 1: let them go to court and prove their innocence then 672 00:39:31,841 --> 00:39:33,921 Speaker 1: they can walk. In my opinion, you know, it always 673 00:39:33,961 --> 00:39:36,681 Speaker 1: reminds me of my old mate Brian Francis Murphy Copper 674 00:39:36,721 --> 00:39:39,081 Speaker 1: in South Melbourne from the fifties through the eighties. He'd 675 00:39:39,081 --> 00:39:42,041 Speaker 1: see these men in court after bashing their wives and 676 00:39:42,081 --> 00:39:44,881 Speaker 1: they'd all be clean, in a nice suit and so forth, 677 00:39:45,201 --> 00:39:47,921 Speaker 1: but it wouldn't melt in their mouth, and he would 678 00:39:48,081 --> 00:39:49,881 Speaker 1: see them get off and he'd say that I'm going 679 00:39:49,921 --> 00:39:51,761 Speaker 1: to meet you around the corner and give them an 680 00:39:51,761 --> 00:39:54,441 Speaker 1: absolute hiding. You know, we can't do that anymore. But 681 00:39:54,561 --> 00:39:57,841 Speaker 1: society is just jack of all this and your story 682 00:39:57,881 --> 00:40:00,121 Speaker 1: is one of so many, so we want to share 683 00:40:00,161 --> 00:40:02,641 Speaker 1: more of this on real crime. So Kelly Carter Bill, 684 00:40:02,681 --> 00:40:03,961 Speaker 1: thank you so much once again. 685 00:40:04,081 --> 00:40:06,721 Speaker 2: Welcome. I just want to say, Adam, that's just a snippet. 686 00:40:07,041 --> 00:40:08,721 Speaker 1: It is just a snippet. There's a lot more to count. 687 00:40:15,761 --> 00:40:18,881 Speaker 1: That was Kelly Cadabell and really it's up to everybody 688 00:40:18,961 --> 00:40:21,401 Speaker 1: to address this problem, but you know, make those reports, 689 00:40:22,121 --> 00:40:25,121 Speaker 1: seek out the helplines one eight hundred. Respect is who 690 00:40:25,161 --> 00:40:27,801 Speaker 1: you should be talking to, and you should also get 691 00:40:27,801 --> 00:40:30,561 Speaker 1: onto crime stoppers, call your local police and you can 692 00:40:30,601 --> 00:40:33,841 Speaker 1: also share your stories with us. Adam Shanned writer at 693 00:40:33,961 --> 00:40:36,561 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. It's been a pleasure talking to you 694 00:40:36,561 --> 00:40:39,201 Speaker 1: with the Kelly. This has been a real crime with 695 00:40:39,321 --> 00:40:40,521 Speaker 1: Adam Shan Thanks for listening.