Speaker 1: Apogae Production. Welcome back to another episode of am I
Speaker 1: A Bad Mom? Podcast? We asked the question three times
Speaker 1: a week. Am I a bad mom? Sometimes?
Speaker 2: We are?
Speaker 1: Sometimes we're not.
Speaker 2: Sometimes could we weigh that up in like a percentage? Sometimes,
Speaker 2: like give me a percentage of your am I A
Speaker 2: bad mom? To am I A good mom? Kind of
Speaker 2: week that you've had.
Speaker 1: Seventy thirty Yeah, seventy bad.
Speaker 2: Ah, I was so in the positive then I was like,
Speaker 2: seventy good, erny bad.
Speaker 1: I can see how that worked just quickly, just before
Speaker 1: we get to be even worse parents, because coming up
Speaker 1: to school holidays, just to let you know, we are
Speaker 1: taking a two week break off of am I A
Speaker 1: Bad Mom? Don't worry we'll be bad moms? Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, the notes between the two of us that we
Speaker 2: share over am I A Bad Mum? It actually just
Speaker 2: launches into the next level of categories because it's school holidays.
Speaker 2: You're off though your holidaying like parenting. Last holidaying is
Speaker 2: like one of the best things ever.
Speaker 1: Yes, and no one ever I did a holiday.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean we're spending a lot of money and we're
Speaker 1: going overseas and we'll be flying on an aeroplane. But
Speaker 1: we've got our kids with us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the kids are still going to be on
Speaker 2: the other side of the world saying the same thing
Speaker 2: that they're bored.
Speaker 1: Do you know what my kids are most excited about
Speaker 1: for this holiday? So we're going over to Hawaii, Hawaii. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and out of everything that we have got planned, so
Speaker 1: surf lessons, snorkeling, turtles, all that kind of stuffy snorkeling
Speaker 1: for turtles, they're most excited about going to the grocery
Speaker 1: shop so that they can dock up on the snacks
Speaker 1: that they see on TikTok.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Wow, I could order that line. I could have saved
Speaker 1: myself thousands and just ordered that online.
Speaker 2: Do you reckon? That was like a definitive choice part
Speaker 2: of your decision making of like going this is where
Speaker 2: we're going to go on holidays Hawaii. Why the kids
Speaker 2: love the snacks from TikTok? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Why you can't afford those snacks? They're so expensive and
Speaker 1: then you're going to pay twenty percent bloody tipping. Am
Speaker 1: I a bad mum for drinking alcohol in front of
Speaker 1: my kids? I feel like this is a cot topic,
Speaker 1: especially with my kids. Do you know what I've come
Speaker 1: to the realization of is that kids are getting too
Speaker 1: much education on the dangers of alcohol. They're going to
Speaker 1: school and they're doing HPE and they're learning about alcohol
Speaker 1: and it's all bad. Obviously that's important.
Speaker 2: It's all bad.
Speaker 1: But it's all bad. So they literally look at us
Speaker 1: when we're having a glass of wine, like, which, you're
Speaker 1: the worst people in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah you are, yeah, because you're having a wine.
Speaker 1: And I think they don't like the smell of it.
Speaker 1: I think that's one thing. And you know, I get that,
Speaker 1: like when your kids red wine smells disgusting. I understand that.
Speaker 1: Like I feel shamed. I feel shamed by that.
Speaker 2: This is a safe space, Katie. You can open up
Speaker 2: about how you feel as a mom, how do you feel?
Speaker 2: But as a human being? How does it feel you shamed?
Speaker 1: I'm getting shamed if I ever have a like and
Speaker 1: I kind of when I'm there with Jay, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: well it's half his problem too now because he's all
Speaker 1: the drinking wine. I have definitely been known to have
Speaker 1: a wine on my own and when my kids come
Speaker 1: down the bottles down the side of the lounce, it's
Speaker 1: like when remember they had that birthday sleepover, and everyone
Speaker 1: kept saying, Oh, what are you gonna do Saturday night?
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have a drink because you got other
Speaker 1: people's kids there. And I was like, yeah, I probably shouldn't.
Speaker 1: And then someone said to me, just put your wine
Speaker 1: in a mug and pretend it's tea.
Speaker 2: See, no one will even know. Do you start to
Speaker 2: get the red wine sort of grin going on, They
Speaker 2: won't have a clue what you're doing. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it's a shaming part. I think it's the part where
Speaker 2: you start to second guess what you're doing. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: that person, the small person, is questioning what you're doing
Speaker 2: in your behavior. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually, just on that birthday party, do you remember what
Speaker 1: we ended up doing. I was like, we sat in
Speaker 1: the front garden. We didn't know where to go because
Speaker 1: there were kids everywhere, and they were downstairs and they
Speaker 1: were in the kitchen, and then they were sleeping downstairs.
Speaker 1: We sat in the front garden. We took two dining
Speaker 1: room tens ounds out on the grass, remember, and we
Speaker 1: were having a few wines and we were laughing at ourselves.
Speaker 1: You know the situation of us being outside in the
Speaker 1: front garden with the cat because the cat is not
Speaker 1: an outdoor cat, and so the kids kept opening up
Speaker 1: the back doors and the cat would run out, and
Speaker 1: we were worried it would escape. So we had the cat.
Speaker 1: Picture of the scene, Jay and I dining room chairs
Speaker 1: in the front garden, mugs, wine and a mug, and
Speaker 1: the cow and the lead. Thank god, none of those
Speaker 1: parents came to pick their kids.
Speaker 2: No, this is why it worked. But then if we
Speaker 2: rewind a few more years on a few of your holidays,
Speaker 2: remember like some of your holidays pre that where you
Speaker 2: and Jay would laugh because you would want to have
Speaker 2: a wine but you couldn't have a wine in the
Speaker 2: room that you were sharing with your children to sleep
Speaker 2: and they were going to So then you'd lock yourself
Speaker 2: in the bathroom and sit in the bathtub, yes not
Speaker 2: with water, bathtub with your sort of legs kicked over,
Speaker 2: just having a wine in there because you're trying to
Speaker 2: let your kids sleep in a hotel room that you're sharing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Or you'd sit in the hallway outside the door.
Speaker 1: What are we doing?
Speaker 2: Desperado times for wine? I tell you, thanke you do this.
Speaker 1: This particular time, we ended up having a really big
Speaker 1: argument with the girls because they came down. It was
Speaker 1: an argument over and this is constant argument in my
Speaker 1: house over us telling them to bring their screens down
Speaker 1: at a certain time in the evening. So it's an
Speaker 1: hour later on the weekends, but on the weekdays it's
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. Bring your screens down, because I don't want
Speaker 1: them sitting upstairs scrolling the night away. Come down. They
Speaker 1: go on charge downstairs, and then that's it. Like if
Speaker 1: you are not tired and you want to read a book, fine,
Speaker 1: you need to go back up there, and you're not
Speaker 1: taking any screens with you. So it was another one
Speaker 1: of these arguments. It's like this rule has been for years,
Speaker 1: and every night it's like it's the first time we've
Speaker 1: introduced the rule again. I'm like, no, it's just it's
Speaker 1: still we're still doing.
Speaker 2: It Tuesday, today, still happening Monday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same same as yesterday, same as you know three
Speaker 1: years ago, and tomorrow will be the same. And so
Speaker 1: they've come down. We've started off this argument, no, none
Speaker 1: of our friends have to bring their screens. Oun blah blah,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It goes on and on and on,
Speaker 1: and then they look at us and they're so angry
Speaker 1: at the response of every night, just go away, off
Speaker 1: you go to bed. Holly turns around and she goes
Speaker 1: and look at you both just sitting there drinking your
Speaker 1: lives away. I was like, excuse me. And then in
Speaker 1: that moment, because we do that in the moment, right
Speaker 1: if we don't do the ninety second rule where we
Speaker 1: sit and think about a proper adult thing that we
Speaker 1: can come back with, I snapped back with, I didn't
Speaker 1: drink before I had kids. We drink wine because of you.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, she's nearly sixteen. It is a
Speaker 2: waiting game, my friend, because when the time will come,
Speaker 2: if it's six months, two years, the time will come
Speaker 2: where she will come home and she will be intoxicated,
Speaker 2: and you're going to sit there, what are you going
Speaker 2: to do? Drink your life away?
Speaker 1: What are you going to do? You're gonna remember what
Speaker 1: she said, I'm going to do any sane adult, sane,
Speaker 1: stable adult would say, and I'm going to and I'm
Speaker 1: writing it in my notes so I don't forget. I'm
Speaker 1: going to turn around to her and go, look at
Speaker 1: you just drinking your life away.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you one hundred percent. But if it makes
Speaker 2: you feel better. I got shamed on the weekend by
Speaker 2: my child too, and she's only nine. At least yours
Speaker 2: is like closer age of the waiting game. Mine is nine.
Speaker 2: She was fully shaming me. I'd had probably three champagnes
Speaker 2: and we were at a birthday celebration. I wasn't the
Speaker 2: rightiest one there. It was his seventieth birthday.
Speaker 1: What was interesting, though, because last time he told me
Speaker 1: that story, it was too champagne. Now it's three. Now
Speaker 1: we literally like two or three maybe four.
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't intoxicated and the sun was still up,
Speaker 2: so it's fine. I can't say much about nine pm
Speaker 2: because I was like the life of the party. But
Speaker 2: she was just looking at me. She goes, oh, I
Speaker 2: can smell it, and she was just disgusted. And I
Speaker 2: looked at her and I said, I'm absolutely fine. I
Speaker 2: am good, Thank you, nine year old child.
Speaker 1: I wonder where it comes from like that, because I've
Speaker 1: heard it a lot from other friends as well, about
Speaker 1: their kids hating when they have a drink, and I
Speaker 1: think the smell probably is one thing. Do you know
Speaker 1: what comes into mind when I think about why my
Speaker 1: kids might hate alcohol? Remember the time that we had
Speaker 1: a barbecue, we had friends over. It was kind of
Speaker 1: afternoon drinks. There's quite a lot of bottles of wine
Speaker 1: being opened and finished. And when we were eating dinner,
Speaker 1: Holly's tooth came out. Maybe she lost her truth tooth.
Speaker 1: We'd got to the point in the evening where I
Speaker 1: was like, oh goodness, like we need to not forget this.
Speaker 1: I said, make sure you put your tooth under your
Speaker 1: pillow so the tooth fairy can come in the morning. Honestly, Rachel,
Speaker 1: I woke up that next morning, I can hear her
Speaker 1: running down the hallway and I went, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, to fairy did she come. Ollie comes
Speaker 1: into the room and she goes, Mom, she didn't, tooth
Speaker 1: fairy calm she said, yeah she did. She left two
Speaker 1: dollars and a no, but she forgot to take the tooth.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, she's got one job at tooth Fairies.
Speaker 1: You got one job, one job.
Speaker 2: You're lucky that she left.
Speaker 1: You're lucky she came because it was a windy old
Speaker 1: night last night. Lucky she came.