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Speaker 1: Hi'm my Boris, and this is straight talk.

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Speaker 2: When you're a boxer, you know, when you go somewhere

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Speaker 2: size are the top, you know, you're like, oh, how

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Speaker 2: am I going to approach? How how am I ever

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Speaker 2: be there? Am I going to?

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm going to do?

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Speaker 2: So I've met him a few times and there's a

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Speaker 2: way to beat him. Boxing is what I do. It's

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Speaker 2: like a religion to me. I've grown up in the sport.

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Speaker 2: I'm i first one at eight years old. Well my

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Speaker 2: whole life training, running, punching bag, sparring. To get to

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Speaker 2: the top is a freaking long journey. It's hard, man,

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Speaker 2: It's a very lonely, hard road. But I was never stressed.

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Speaker 2: I always seen the light at the end of the tunnel,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, I always knew what

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Speaker 2: the goal was, and that was the wind world title,

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Speaker 2: get on the big stages. So now that I'm here, good,

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Speaker 2: I'm the best cruise way in the world. I want

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Speaker 2: these belts around my waist. I'm chasing unification. What there's

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Speaker 2: me and Ramiroz. You know they say, well the top,

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Speaker 2: that's what.

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Speaker 1: Joe Battire. Well, we're doing straight talk made man straight up.

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Speaker 1: I know that Polynesian surnames are often pronounced wrong by

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Speaker 1: people like me, So how do I actually say your surname?

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Speaker 1: Give it a go opataia.

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Speaker 2: Opa tyle thank you, because a lot of people say oh.

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Speaker 1: And in your language, we're in the Simon language, is

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Speaker 1: always I always pronounced as opposed to oh, is that right?

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Speaker 2: Is that right? He's more fuss I'm half fuzzy. So

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Speaker 2: I'm learning myself.

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Speaker 1: But it's pretty important because, like I've noticed in the

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Speaker 1: Raby League circles now that commentators have really been careful

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Speaker 1: to say the name, probably because there's sort of like

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Speaker 1: send me disrespectful. I'm not get it for my surname.

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Speaker 1: People pronounced my used to pronounce my surname wrong when

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Speaker 1: I was younger. It's and I iced to think, fuck me,

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Speaker 1: get it right, Like it's not that hard, but maybe

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Speaker 1: it is hard for people who don't you know, don't

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Speaker 1: don't know the pronunciation. But I just want to make

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Speaker 1: sure it's right. So that's a that's not and so

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Speaker 1: welcome mate, like it's and by the way, mum and dad,

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Speaker 1: so obviously from your surname, your dad's Polynesian someone and

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Speaker 1: your mum's an aus woman. Are they from Sydney or

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Speaker 1: where from?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? They actually grew up around.

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Speaker 1: Around the Dalla area where our studios are just here

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Speaker 1: and there.

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Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, they grew up you know, they lived at

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Speaker 2: the cross where we lived that I was born out

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Speaker 2: in Westmead. We lived in a flat in Parramauta for

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Speaker 2: a while and then yeah, we made them move to

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Speaker 2: the Central Coast. So I'm a Central Coast boy at heart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and actually not only a Central Boys Coast boy

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Speaker 1: at heart. But you're a world champion in real turn,

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Speaker 1: like absolute world champion. You've defended your title as well,

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Speaker 1: so like well done made Because Jeff Phoanix is a

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Speaker 1: good friend of mine, had told me that as far

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Speaker 1: as he's concerned, and this is, you know, come from

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Speaker 1: a legend that you probably are the most promising Australian

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Speaker 1: fighter in the last ten years. And that's a big

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Speaker 1: rap come from Fannick Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Phoenix, you know, a legend of the sport, you know,

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Speaker 2: and not just here in Australia. Man, he's well known

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Speaker 2: all over the world, so you know that's a massive compliment.

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Speaker 1: And he did train for well, they didn't he he

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Speaker 1: managed me for a while he managed you yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because and I'm going to take you back a little

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Speaker 1: while and said something outside about it. But there was

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Speaker 1: a his father was a good fighter too, But there

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Speaker 1: was a young fellow here in Australia called willis a

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Speaker 1: bit bigger than you. I think it would have been

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Speaker 1: a heavyweight division. You would have been like you would

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Speaker 1: have been in your nineties. In terms of chillos. He's

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Speaker 1: probably in those days. He probably of one hundred and ten,

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Speaker 1: six foot five. But I remember watching you spa with

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Speaker 1: his spa A much bigger guy, willis Man, and this

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Speaker 1: Obviously a heavyweight and a very experienced fighter, and as

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Speaker 1: you remember those younger years when used to just jumping

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Speaker 2: Front of you. Definitely, they've you know, molded my path.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's like the apprenticeship of where I am today.

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Speaker 2: And you know, special shout out to willis Man. He

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Speaker 2: we grew up on the Central coast together. We were

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Speaker 2: never allowed to go to the same school. Why not, Oh,

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Speaker 2: get into his school and that wasn't you know, going there. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, we spend plenty of time together. Man, We've

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Speaker 2: done thousands around together, you know, hundreds. We grew up

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Speaker 2: moving around together, and we grew up developing at one stage.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's always been a tall dude. He was

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Speaker 2: a bit skinnier, but and he really sort of shot

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Speaker 1: He was like six foot five or something like that.

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Speaker 1: But for someone like you know, you're six or two

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Speaker 1: but you're a proper cruise ofweight, you know, like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what you're normally walking around there, but you

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Speaker 1: can obviously get down a cruiser. Willis is someone like

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Speaker 1: him heavyweight. Does that sort of prepare you for perhaps

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Speaker 1: fighting heavyweights in the future.

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Speaker 2: Definitely. Well, I've always just moved around with heavyweights, you know,

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Speaker 2: I've always you know, I even moved around with the

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Speaker 2: old men Cully. You know, when you getting ready for

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Speaker 2: You know. He would dad chuck me in with whoever,

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Speaker 2: he told me stories about his old man. It didn't

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Speaker 2: matter what weight they were. Everyone was aspiring everyone, and

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Speaker 2: you know, you just got to learn to adapt to

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Speaker 2: those styles. I feel like it sort of gives you

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Speaker 2: more ammunition for when you do need that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Because stepping up a division, not many strains have done that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Panic did. He went up three divisions. But

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Speaker 1: when you've got a fourth division in the end, which

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, but not many strains have done it.

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Speaker 1: Are they? Are they ambitions of fighters? I had Drinkers

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Speaker 1: Duplessus in here last week, which is who is the

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Speaker 1: the UFC middleweight champion. He's talking about going up at

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Speaker 1: division two? A dream going up a division, it's sort

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Speaker 1: of proving yourself. Is that something that boxes do as well?

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Speaker 2: Definitely? Well, once I've completed, you know, everything I've needed

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Speaker 2: to do in the cruiseweight division. I feel like that

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Speaker 2: and I do lose weight to go down and cruiser,

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Speaker 2: so I feel like I can make both weights comfortably.

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Speaker 2: You know, You've got to change a few things in

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Speaker 2: your training, but man, it's something I'm looking forward to.

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Speaker 1: So when are you walking around it? What are you

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Speaker 1: walking around it?

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Speaker 2: Umm, probably walk around about ninety eight ninety nine kilos

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Speaker 2: like comfortably, you know. But I can drop the weight easy,

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Speaker 2: you know, like I don't struggle too bad, I don't.

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Speaker 2: You know. I used to be bad back in the

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Speaker 2: day when I was a lot more unprofessional, and you know,

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't eat for two days trying to sweat at

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Speaker 2: their hearts, sitting and sawn as It's used to be painful.

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Speaker 2: But now now now it's good. You know, I eat

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Speaker 2: the day before Wayne, and you know, we're very professional now.

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Speaker 1: So if I could just you know, because you units

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Speaker 1: probably don't quite understand this, but so cruse it just

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Speaker 1: sell us a cruise weight Wayne, Wayne weight is.

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Speaker 2: So cruise weight weight is ninety points seven.

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Speaker 1: So just yeah, just okay, just under ninety one killers.

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Speaker 1: So you've got to you walk around at ninety eight

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Speaker 1: ninety nine. You've got to drop a kilos. You say,

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Speaker 1: you can do that quite comfortably. When you look at

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Speaker 1: someone like Usik, who's the current heavyweight champion, you're now

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Speaker 1: occupying his previous division, the cruiseweight champion division. You look

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be much bigger than you.

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Speaker 2: No, he's not too much better. I reckon, he's moment

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Speaker 2: an inch half an inch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've.

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Speaker 2: When you're when you're a boxer, you know, when you

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Speaker 2: go somewhere his size and everyone up all the time,

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Speaker 2: all the time. How am I gonna you know, I approach?

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Speaker 2: How am I going to beat him? How am I

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Speaker 2: going to you know what I'm gonta do? So I've

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Speaker 2: met him a few times, and you know I've stood

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Speaker 2: next to him, So there's a way to beat him.

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Speaker 1: That's as a fighter yours, you are actually sizing them up.

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Speaker 1: You're I mean, I'm not in an aggressive way, but

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Speaker 1: with this bloke, you know, I'm sort of just getting

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Speaker 1: his shape. I'm understanding. I'm sort of profiling him, sort

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Speaker 1: of thing, you know, with your brain your profile on

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Speaker 1: the guy. Do you feel confident about it? You know,

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Speaker 1: like do you You obviously watch his fights, that's different,

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Speaker 1: that's the style. You watch his style, but just in

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Speaker 1: terms of his physicality when you meet him, you think

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Speaker 1: to yourself, Man, I reckon, like, I don't feel overpowered.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, I might be a chance here.

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Speaker 2: Definitely. I feel like everyone's beatable, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: And I feel like, you know, you train right, you

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Speaker 2: prepare properly, and you know, I just feel like everyone's beatable.

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Speaker 1: Man, that's a pretty positive mindset. I mean, how do

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Speaker 1: you grow a positive mindset because you're a pretty mind

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Speaker 1: getting you a pretty shy guy, like because you're not

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Speaker 1: one of those cocky guys out there, Karen On, you're

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Speaker 1: not aconom mc gregor style person in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: like up front, how do you develop your positive mindset

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Speaker 1: about like that type positive mindset?

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Speaker 2: Boxing is what I do? You know? Boxing is like

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Speaker 2: boxing is honestly, like it's like a religion to me,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like it's just I've grown

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Speaker 2: up in the in the sport, I've fought people all

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Speaker 2: over the world. I've it's like another language to me,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I feel like there's

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Speaker 2: just the way to beat everyone, and I feel like,

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Speaker 2: because I've done it for my whole life, I just

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Speaker 2: feel I just feel like I want to find out

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Speaker 2: that way to beat him and I can do it,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I gotta sort of execute

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Speaker 2: what's right and wrong minimum mistakes and then and then

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Speaker 2: I can. I personally feel like I can just beat

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Speaker 2: everyone if I fight smart. But if if you don't

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Speaker 2: fight smart and you make one mistake, you're.

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Speaker 1: Gone, because it only takes one punch. One punch, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it could be just a bit of a careless error.

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Speaker 1: You've got to be on who else is left in

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Speaker 1: your division now that you would like to aim up against.

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Speaker 1: The last win was pretty convincing. Where to from here?

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Speaker 2: I'm chasing belts.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: And we'll stay active, you know, we sort of stay

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Speaker 1: And Joyson hard and Australia find smart partners and you

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Speaker 2: That, yes, and no, you know what I mean. That's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know what I mean. But there's boys

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. You're you're a world champion and you're on

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Speaker 1: looking for thinking I'm back.

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Speaker 2: Yea, honestly, No matter where I go, the best part

430
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: of the trips getting walking through my front door. I'm

431
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 2: not okay, man, I've been all over the world, you know,

432
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: I've rubbed shoulders, been met great people. The best time

433
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 2: on my trip every time is walking through my front door.

434
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're and I read some with it. Your

435
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: religion is an important part of your life, your faith

436
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: more im probably more important, not so much religion, but

437
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: your faith. Has faith always been a part of your life.

438
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: Was a something you've adopted more recently.

439
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: No, I've always been pretty religious, you know. I come

440
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: from you know, being salmon. There's you know, God has

441
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: always been a very important key to you know, our life.

442
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's everything's a gift from Him. You know,

443
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: it's not it's not ours, it's it's a journey that

444
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: sort of He's I don't know how to put it

445
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 2: in words, but we're always grateful to God. You know

446
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: what I mean. We're always thanking God for before every fight,

447
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: we say our prayer, before every meal, we say our prayer,

448
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: you know, just things like that.

449
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: I know it's you seek similar for his Christian faith,

450
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: he's very overt like obviously he doesn't mind hiding it

451
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: and he doesn't sorry, he doesn't mind showing it. He

452
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: doesn't try to hide it. And I guess if you

453
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: are truly a person of faith, then that's the sort

454
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: of person you're going to be. You've got to be prepared.

455
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: You don't have to promote it, but you've got to

456
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: be prepared to stand up for it when the time shots.

457
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: Have you noticed that about Yusik too, because I see

458
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: where's the crucifix on his chest and he kisses before

459
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: he goes into the fight. It's good to see young

460
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: men because relatively speaking of both young men prepared to

461
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: stand up for what they believe in similar to other faiths,

462
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: to not just Christianity. I mean we see that with

463
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: saty ber Williams with his Muslim faith, et cetera. Being

464
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 1: proud of their faith. That's an important factor in I

465
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: think in people's success today. Do you find having that

466
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: faith is part of your success.

467
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I feel like gods a massive part of

468
00:24:54,040 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: my success. But you know, it's a working relationship ship

469
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: as well. You know, I'm trying to be better and

470
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: be better, just better every day and everything. You know,

471
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: better son, better, better brother, better partner than my fiance,

472
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: you know, better religious person, you know, like my religious journeys.

473
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: It's weird, you know, but it's it's it's mine, so

474
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's not that I try

475
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: and hide it. But at the same day, it's no

476
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: one's business, you know what I mean. So we're just

477
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out and be better.

478
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: But do you think it's funny because when you get

479
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: to your level in the world, on the world stage,

480
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: in the world boxing stage especially or as just as

481
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: a world sporting stage, because you know, the cover's a

482
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: lot of sporting sporting variety of sports. This this sort

483
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: of sometimes is a presumption. People assume that you're flawless,

484
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, like you don't make mistakes. There's an assumption

485
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: that gie when I make a mistake, or anybody else

486
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: for that matter, which is not right because we're all

487
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: human and we all make mistakes. But the game here

488
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: is to be able to prepare to learn from our

489
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: mistakes and be better at what we do, not just

490
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: not just not just in an ethical or moral sense,

491
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: not just as a brother or a son or a partner,

492
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: but also as a box as well. And if you

493
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: have that, it seems to me you've got that attitude

494
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: in relation to everything you do. I'm just going to

495
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: get better. I accept that I make mistakes, but I'm

496
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: going to get better, and I'm going to get better.

497
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to get every day get better. Is that

498
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: sort of like an attitudinal thing that you've got and

499
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: you've always had.

500
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just life, bro. I think it's

501
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: just sort of you know, learning on the way. And

502
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a hard question to answer. Yeah,

503
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: you know, I think there's things in life that make

504
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: you sort of think, fuck, you know, it's time to

505
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: sort of wake up and stop being a little kid.

506
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: Grow up.

507
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to grow up with your big boy

508
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: pants on, and I can start moving forward.

509
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: So let me say one thing to like, its nearly

510
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: seventy years that I have aged next year made I'm

511
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: still doing it so and it never stops. My May

512
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: died and ninety like he told me the same thing.

513
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: You just you're always pulling yourself up. Give yourself an

514
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: upper cart, get on with it, be better, try and improve,

515
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: and I think you're doing. I actually think the humility

516
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: and the humbleness I'm getting from your legs is overwhelming,

517
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: overwhelming for me for someone who is at the same

518
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: time the world champion in a boxing division, which by

519
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: the way, not many Australians ever get there, and they

520
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: plenty try plenty with great talent, never really get there

521
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: and to and you've also defended you but your you're

522
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, you've defended that position and now you're talking

523
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: about going on getting at WBC and w B a

524
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: w BO, so you also got a whole lot of

525
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: ambitions ahead of you. That is sort of nearly the

526
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: opposite type of personality. I'm feeling they're coming from you,

527
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: And it's just great to see someone like that when

528
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: you see, you know, Tyson Fury, who has a totally

529
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: different sort of personality or condor of McGregor in the UFC,

530
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: totally different personality, and it just goes to show anyone

531
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: Australian who's an aspiring person you don't have to be

532
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: a certain personality to be the best in the world

533
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: and that's a that's a big exposure to Australians. Do

534
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: you feel any pressure in these stage as joy Opataya

535
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: to continue on as that aspirational person aspiring other young Australians,

536
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: not just in boxing, in sports generally anything for that matter.

537
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: Do you feel any pressure?

538
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: There's always pressure, you know, there's always pressure to do better,

539
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: pressure to you know, when fights, become a better person.

540
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I'm honestly just focused on myself,

541
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And I feel like that's

542
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: what that's what they that's why I get to just

543
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: do it the way I can do it, you know

544
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: what I mean. I'm just trying to. I don't I've

545
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: always said I don't want to be the most famous fighter,

546
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I don't want to walk

547
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: past someone and go, oh, you know, he's a superstar.

548
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: I want to walk past people and they go, he's

549
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: the best fighter I've seen, you know what I mean.

550
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: And I feel like that is that's where boxing is

551
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: getting two different sort of there's the soap the show

552
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: bus of boxing, and then there's the boxes, you know

553
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: what I mean.

554
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: That so I feel like a fighters fighter.

555
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: I want to be a fighter that I used to watch,

556
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, the my old man used

557
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: to go, come here, come sit down, like I used

558
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: to be upstairs playing my game. It's get downstairs, come

559
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: you watch this, you know what I mean? Like I

560
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: want to be a fighter that a coach makes their

561
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: fighter watch, you know what I mean, Like gets a

562
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: coach gets their pattern paper and goes, oh, that's what

563
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: you know. It's a craft, you know, not not those

564
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: fucking superstar and talking ship and you know who's got

565
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: the best argument and who's winning. That's never really interests me,

566
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: you know.

567
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: So that's interesting, so so and but boxing, the fight

568
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: game sports are entertainment at the end of the day.

569
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: To a large extent, there is entertainment value in there.

570
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: What do you think of the Saudi entry into serious

571
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: entry into the boxing scene now promoting fights because it's

572
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: and it is showb is a little bit of shower.

573
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: There's obviously pay for you and all that stuff. You've

574
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: got to make money out of the thing. They've got

575
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: to make money out of it to promote it. What

576
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Or do you rather just

577
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: see you back in the old US style system. You know,

578
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: everything's controlled by one person or two or three.

579
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: Now I think this REA season stuff is the best, yeah, honestly,

580
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: and being a part of it, Like I feel like

581
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: the thing that gets away of the best fighting the

582
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: best is actually not the fightst it's the promoters, you

583
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean. A lot of promoters that don't

584
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: see either eye and you know, who's going to get

585
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: the bigger card or who wants their organization to be

586
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: more involved on the fight night. But when it comes

587
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: to REACT season, they all it is REAT season, and

588
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: then everyone's a part of that, you know what I mean.

589
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's what they really needed. The sport

590
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: needed that, you know, making putting promoters in the same

591
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: room that have never even spoke to each other, you

592
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: know what I mean, But money talks, you know, And

593
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: now we're seeing some of the best fight nights in

594
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 2: the world. So I feel like this REAT season the

595
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: best thing that's happened to boxing for a long time.

596
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: And do you think that it's I mean, at the

597
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: very top level, traditionally they get a lot of a

598
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: lot of dough. I mean, they get paid a lot

599
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: of money per fight. But then if you sort of

600
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: drop down and into different other levels that boxes don't

601
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: relative to what they're going to put themselves through, they

602
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: don't earn enough money. Do you think the entry of

603
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia will read which is the capital there? Do

604
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: you think that has actually sort of made it a

605
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: bit more fair everybody's getting paid more money sort of thing,

606
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: and that you know, you're getting paid for what you

607
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: do properly as opposed to sort of not being totally

608
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: recognized in a financial sense the way you should be

609
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: in the old system, because you know they're put money

610
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: into it and people and you're get to get paid. Well,

611
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: that's important.

612
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I feel like they're we're getting paid what

613
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: we deserve finally, you know what I mean. It's been

614
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: a long journey man, Yeah, you know, like what was

615
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: I I was twenty? I think I was like twenty

616
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 2: maybe even twenty or zero, you know what I mean?

617
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: What am I twenty seven? I don't even know my

618
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: own record in twenty seven twenty six? But I honestly

619
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: think I was nineteen to zero before I got my

620
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: first paycheck.

621
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, mad crazy, And this is what this is what

622
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: a lot.

623
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: Of fighters don't understand. These days is there. They see

624
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 2: the big dollars and they see the big sign, you

625
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: know what I mean, then they just they asked for

626
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: too much straight away. But they need to invest in themselves,

627
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. That it's not always just money,

628
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: but it's time effort. You know. You need to invest

629
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: in yourself and you need to build and build and

630
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: the opportunity will come, you know. Like I mean, we

631
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: were just my whole paychecks were going towards just getting

632
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: on the card for for a long time, you know

633
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: what I mean.

634
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: So that's interesting. Could you explain a little bit how

635
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: that works because a lot of people don't understands, you know,

636
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: like you're you might be fighting on the safety to paper.

637
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: They're expecting you to sell tickets, you know, or your

638
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: management team to sell tickets because that's how they make

639
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: their money, you know, and sell tickets for the night

640
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. It might not have been televised. It

641
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: might have been televised, but you know, after you pay everybody,

642
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of day left for not at all,

643
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: Joe Lakers, not me. You might've got twenty five, thirty five,

644
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars, there's not a lot of relative to

645
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: what you give up during the year, You're lucky to

646
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: get that much.

647
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, like you fight for Aussie titles and stuff

648
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: like I don't know how everyone's contracts set up, man,

649
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: but nineteen and zero, like literally I had won titles,

650
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 2: knew some well titles, Aussie titles, and that I was

651
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: getting fucking peanuts, you know what I mean. But I

652
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: was never stressed, like I wasn't. I always seen the

653
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: light at the end of the tunnel, you know what

654
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: I mean. Like I always knew what the goal was,

655
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: and that was the win world titles and get on

656
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: the big stages. So I always knew this time was

657
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 2: you know, we're investing in ourselves. We've got to keep training,

658
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: We've got to keep you know, keep pushing. Like it's hard, man,

659
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: It's it's a very lonely hard road, especially when now

660
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: that I'm here good, you know, like when they pay

661
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: me well, like I'm like, you know, I feel like

662
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: I deserve this. You know, I've done all my apprenticeship,

663
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,479
Speaker 2: I've been I'm my first one at eight years old, well,

664
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 2: you know, and like my whole life train and run

665
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: and punching bag, sparring, like it's just never ending. So

666
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: you know when they when they say we're getting paid

667
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: a lot, so we should to get to the top

668
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: is a freaking long journey.

669
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and you're not going to be fighting when

670
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: you're forty, so like it's it has a time limit

671
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: on it too, you know, Like so you've got to

672
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: you got to make your money in a short period

673
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: and that's going to Las hear for the rest of

674
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: your life and your family and everybody else. How important

675
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: to the people like Eddie hearn in the world, like

676
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Eddie hearn Like you know, how important of those sorts

677
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: of individuals in the fight game. You're in the boxing

678
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: game to bring to life the money and the more

679
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: eyeballs and more interest and a better better entertainment too.

680
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean, have you had you know, like have you

681
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: any thoughts about that, like those sorts of individuals.

682
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a little bit to do with Eddie Hearne,

683
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: you know, like I try and just keep it nice

684
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: and short, you know what I mean. Like we're there

685
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: for a purpose at the end of the day, you

686
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: know what I mean. My job is to go there,

687
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: win a fight, come home and look after my family.

688
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: That's all I think about, you know what I mean.

689
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: I'm not going over there to be friends with people

690
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: and you know, make mates and you know, get get

691
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: in their good books and stuff like that. All I've

692
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: got it. All I'm thinking about is winner. That's all

693
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: they care about, you know what I mean. And I'm

694
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: not trying to bad mouth from or anything like that.

695
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm there for a job, you know, And

696
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: unless I do my job, mate, I'm out. Someone else's in.

697
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: That's the way I look at it. So I'm just

698
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: I'm driven, I've got off, I can gold. Do you know,

699
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: I'm there for a purpose.

700
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: So that's because so apart from sort of taking on

701
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: the WBOWBA and WC belt holders and sort of consolidating

702
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: all the belts into one division, the next outcome for

703
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: you would be obviously going up into the next way division,

704
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: which is heavyweight. When do you think, assuming everything goes

705
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: according to plan, when do you think you start to

706
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: train for that, in other words, maybe put more weight

707
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: on or whatever the case may be. When do you

708
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: start to take that process on? Because you know, like

709
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: you're a planner. It looks like to me, when you're

710
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: nine er oh, you're still thinking to myself, how do

711
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: I get to twenty seven, twenty eighteen? How to win

712
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: a world titled? You're planning way ahead and you're being

713
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: patient about that way ahead plan. My gut feeling is

714
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: that you're you're probably still already thinking still now thinking yourself,

715
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: I've got a five year planned ahead of me, or

716
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: it's something ahead of me I'm to do. I got

717
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: to I'm going to hit that milestone. I can hit

718
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: that milestone and then I'll be in the heavyweight division.

719
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: What is your lot? How long far out do you plan?

720
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I don't want to put a time on it.

721
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: You know, how are you now, Joe? I'm twenty nine,

722
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: so you've probably got five years good?

723
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

724
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean heavyweight can take an older age, of course,

725
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: but we just see how we go.

726
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I want these belts around my waist.

727
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: I'm chasing unification fights, you know, like I do not

728
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 2: understand why these aren't happening. You know, I'm the best

729
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: cruise weight in the world. You know, there's me, and

730
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: there's me and Ramirez. You know, they say, were the top,

731
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: Let's fight. Why are we beating around the bush?

732
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't Ramirez fight you.

733
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. I got no clue. I don't know.

734
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean, like, is he is he fighting anybody else?

735
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: I think he's got to fight come up. But and

736
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it's an easy fight to make. I'm

737
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: ready for that fight to happen. So fuck, I just

738
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: want to fight to happen, you know what I mean.

739
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: I feel like I've been running around in circles every

740
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: time I fight someone that say, oh, you know, I've

741
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: been chasing this wo and then every time I went off,

742
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: fight Wo's next. Then I gotta fight someone wos next.

743
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: Man.

744
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: You know, It's just it becomes annoying. You know, I'm

745
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 2: trying to tick boxes and and get this ship done

746
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: and then but at the end of the day, I

747
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: can only find who they put in front of me.

748
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, but they say the but the matchmakers aren't.

749
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: Are they sort of saying it's coming or they're just no,

750
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: he's not He's not ready for mirror.

751
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: It's coming. Apparently we've got one more fight, and then it's.

752
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: The next he's got one more fighter. You're going one

753
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: to fight both of us, both of you, and so

754
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: that would be this year then yeah, probably twenty twenty five,

755
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: because because you must be having a fight cup you

756
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: would have something coming up. And this year, earlier, this year,

757
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: before the during this year.

758
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're talking, man, unless there's contracts in frontio, you

759
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's all say but they're talking

760
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: around may or something like that. But man, we we

761
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: just we just wait for the phone call. As soon

762
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: as they call, we get ready.

763
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: And who negotiates it for you? Like, who does all

764
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: the deal.

765
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: I've got a great team behind me. You know, I've

766
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: got a whole board of it. You know, I got

767
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: Mickey Francis or Tasman Fighters or Scott Evans. You know,

768
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: I got scared. We all sit down, we all make

769
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: a team plan and but I don't care. Just chuck

770
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: them in. Let's fight.

771
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: Did you ever think to yourself that did you ever

772
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: play footy rugby league?

773
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? I used to play footy when younger.

774
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, up in the Central Coast. Did you ever think

775
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 1: to yourself, I'm going to become a rugby league player?

776
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: Dream? It was? I was always boxing, yeah, And I

777
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: was even like I was always missing a lot of

778
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: my footy games because I was had fight coming up

779
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So I was always going to

780
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: be a fighter.

781
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: So giving you're born around the East and suburbs, who's

782
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: your team?

783
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: Who do you go for?

784
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: Man, I'm New South Wales Blue, absolutely, totally, totally.

785
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

786
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: I know you live in Queensland now, but you're never

787
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: going to be a Queenslander.

788
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for North Sydney Bears to come back. North

789
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: Sydney Bears come back way. I'll tell you what I'd

790
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: be wearing the jersey, Yeah, at home, you know, I

791
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: want to be connected to it.

792
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: And who's your favorite footy player, like someone you from

793
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: the past to say when you're a kid.

794
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: One of my favorite footy players that the big Pommy

795
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: dude that took that hit up and he broke his cheek.

796
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: Sam Sam Burgess from I think he's an animal, the

797
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: way he used to play no fear, the way you

798
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: take days hit ups. He's just in it for the boy.

799
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 2: He's like, he just loves that straight off the back fans.

800
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: That's what it's about up running that.

801
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, it's funny that night I went

802
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: to watch your part because his brother Luke forward on

803
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: that night and I saw Luke and Lukes he never

804
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: had a fight before and I remembering gassed after the

805
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: other guy did to They both gassed after the first

806
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: first round. I think someone got injured in the fight

807
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: got called off. But yeah, Sam, he is an animal

808
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: like he was fantastic, like he's a leader. Yeah, totally, yeah, totally.

809
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: The way he runs out balls, how you should run

810
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: up every time?

811
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: And what about state of origin? Who's your one of

812
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: the legends that you watch it?

813
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: Love? Oh man, Honestly, I got so much love and

814
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: respect for Paul. Yeah, Paul Gallan. Just his work ethic,

815
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: He's just an animal bro that mindset, you know. Just

816
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: he's for the team that when he wears the jersey

817
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: it means something. And a great engine too, oh good engine.

818
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: He's even in the in the boxing gym, you know

819
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: what I mean. He's got a engine. He's always trained.

820
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: He still does still does some big session.

821
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: I'll watch. I follow him on Instagram and today he's

822
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: doing some mad stuff. It's funny, you know. Chock announced

823
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: today ban knuckle fighting. He's him. He's gonna do with

824
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: Condom Agrega to own the ban knuckles in Australia. In Australia,

825
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna fight it in Australia and and there's men

826
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: approved in Queensland and Victoria, but the Combat Commission hasn'

827
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: approved here in South Wales at this stage. And that

828
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: bare knuckle process is pretty scary stuff. What do you

829
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: think about the bar knuckle fighters? You know, the you

830
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: know and by the way, allegedly you know, Tyson Fury's

831
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: father was, you know, the king of that. Literally they

832
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: called him a king of bean Knuckle fighting in Ireland.

833
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: Is what it is.

834
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: Man.

835
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: People need to get paid.

836
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, people, that's interesting. They do because they've got nothing

837
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: else to do. They've got no other way of making

838
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: it quit.

839
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: It's their way of fighting, you know, it's it's it's

840
00:43:54,719 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: pretty barbaric, you know, and but you know it's sit

841
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: here and judge them. When we're sitting in these nice chairs,

842
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: totally fancy microphones in front of us. These guys are

843
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 2: bare knuckle fighters. So they love it. You know, they're

844
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: not there because they they're there because they want to

845
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: be there. They choose to be there. So who are

846
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: we to take that away from totally?

847
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: Well, and I'll probably get in trouble for saying, but

848
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: I actually like it. I like watching it. They do

849
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: put raps on, but it's not quite bare knuckle, but

850
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: they've got wraps on. But still I like watching it.

851
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: I mean it is by Barrack, but in a story,

852
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: it's the best man wins. You don't have to be there,

853
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: no one's forcing you. If you want to do what

854
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: you want to do it. I want to say to you.

855
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: What I want to say to you is that please

856
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: feel know that and feel that Australians are very much

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Speaker 1: behind what you're doing. Like we love Australian man. I'm

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Speaker 1: a FI fan, but Australians love what you're doing on

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Speaker 1: the world stage for us and for boxing in Australia.

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Speaker 1: We have a great boxing scene here, but you're by

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Speaker 1: far the leader in Australia right now. And I think

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Speaker 1: that what I would like to say to you, as

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Speaker 1: a you know, as much older person, is to say

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Speaker 1: that it's really refreshing to talk to someone with such

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Speaker 1: humility and humpfulness but at the same time very self assured,

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Speaker 1: knows exactly what his deal is and what he's got

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Speaker 1: to do, what his job is. So Jai Battia, thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for coming in and mate, I wish

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Speaker 1: you all the very best and I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: see you up there against musick you