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Speaker 2: When I was seventeen, I was introduced to you through

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Speaker 2: And how old? How long is that? Yeah? Almost twenty years? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well today we're talking about purpose. I know

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Speaker 1: being brave and humble and acknowledging that yeah, I'm still

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Speaker 1: going to be I'm still going to be wrong. While

431
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: believing I'm right, because that's the human experience.

432
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Speaker 2: So I made a video about all the cracks I've

433
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Speaker 2: had in my life, and it was it's, you know,

434
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: similar sort of approach to what you're saying and giving

435
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Speaker 2: things a go, having a crack. And I think there

436
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Speaker 2: was probably an early earlier in my life I had

437
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: way more cracks. But I tell you what, I was

438
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: not aware self aware. I was, you know, on the

439
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: train flying giving things to go, restless, unsettled and trying

440
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: to work my shit out, making no money. How do

441
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: I make money? I want to do more, And I

442
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: tell you what the I think the challenge is that

443
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: everything slows down. I think when you become more aware

444
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: because you start asking questions. It's like the classic sense

445
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: of you know, waking up and you're like, oh my god.

446
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: Like looking back on myself at nineteen, you know, just

447
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: fell into that lifestyle, created a business around the stripping thing,

448
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: and next you know, had heaps of businesses. But it's

449
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: interesting because I didn't think too much at the time.

450
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: But now there's two parts. One, I feel more comfortable

451
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: in myself and I feel more settled, and I feel

452
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 2: less of the urge to be going and just trying everything.

453
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, I also feel like maybe

454
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: I'm not dreaming big anymore. But then, yeah, I don't

455
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 2: know what comes to mind when I talk like that.

456
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking like you have I'm not just saying this

457
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: because it sounds going on a podcast. But you have

458
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: a great wife that you love. I know you love

459
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: a you have two beautiful kids that you love. You

460
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: have a job that doesn't feel like a job. You

461
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: make good money, you have a good business, you have

462
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Speaker 1: a good brand, you have a good that was going

463
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 1: to say body. That sounds creepy, but you'll fit and

464
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: healthy and strong and functional. You're thirty five, you know, like,

465
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: there's lots of people listening to this going, fuck, I

466
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: wish I was thirty five, right, So, but what is

467
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: often the case, and I'm not going to ask you,

468
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: but what is often the case is we go, well,

469
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 1: here's this is this young Australian entrepreneur. He owns his

470
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: own house or he's paying his house off. He's got

471
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: a great family, a wife and kids that love him.

472
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: He's got a good business, he's making good dough. He's fit, strong, healthy,

473
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: he's got all some parents blah, blah blah, and in

474
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: the middle of that picture quite often is a complete

475
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: lack of contentment and satisfaction. And then you go, ah,

476
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: so where from where does contentment and satisfaction arise? Because

477
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: we think that, oh, when I have this, or when

478
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: I've done that, or when I'm in that place, when

479
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm earning that. Like we tell ourselves a story quite

480
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: often about the things that need to happen, and then

481
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: I will be X, then I will be happy, and

482
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: I will be content, then I will be successful. Then

483
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Speaker 1: I But the amount of people who get to the

484
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, the desired destination and they're like, right, that's it,

485
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm good, now, I'm happy, I'm contenting, you know, it's

486
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: pretty much no one. And so for me, you know,

487
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: I realized that contentment and calm and purpose and fulfillment

488
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: was much more about my internal world than what I

489
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: was actually doing or not doing, or achieving or not achieving.

490
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: And it's good to own and do and be and

491
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: create and contribute and achieve, But I think the real

492
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: challenges despite what's happening in your world, not because of

493
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: despite what's happening in your external world, to find the joy,

494
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: to find the bliss to find that, you know, that equanimity,

495
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: that space of being the calm and the chaos. You know,

496
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: on the weekend, we did a gig for Brad and

497
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: Paley and I've spoken about who Jim burned down and

498
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: we had Joel Sardi there, and Joel we've spoken to

499
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: on this show and we've spoken about recently. You know,

500
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: he broke his neck in an accident when he was

501
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: home from service in the military. He was on leave.

502
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: He fell over a balcony. He broke his neck, and

503
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Speaker 1: he's a quadriplegic. And you know now he spends life

504
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: in a chair. And of course, of course, you know

505
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: it's like imagine, well let's not imagine, but hypothetically that

506
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: happens to you. All you want. You would give anything

507
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: and everything and all the money in the world just

508
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: to be you yesterday, just to be you that could walk,

509
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: just to be you, that could pick up your kid,

510
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: just to be you, that could get in and out

511
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: of a chair, just to be you, that could jump

512
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: in your car and drive wherever you go. But the

513
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: vast majority of people listening to this show, not all,

514
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: but the vast majority can just get up out of

515
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: a chair, and walk wherever they want. But how many

516
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: of us get up and go This is so fucking amazing.

517
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: I can walk. I can walk to a tap and

518
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: there's hot water. I can press a button and there's light.

519
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: I can press another button and there's air conditioning. I

520
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: can walk ten feet and get in the most comfortable

521
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: fucking bed and just sleep in relative safety. I can

522
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: just pick up this thing in my hand and talk

523
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: to my mum who's two hours away. Like, we have

524
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: so much great shit that I feel like that contentment

525
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: piece is not about what we have or don't have.

526
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Speaker 1: It's about how we think. It's about my I love that, Craig.

527
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Speaker 2: I think you know, when I wanted to become a

528
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Speaker 2: TV presenter, that was just the thing in my mind

529
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: at the time that led me to a media creer.

530
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Speaker 2: I remember, you know, being so clear on and I

531
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: wanted to do documentaries. I want to do this, I

532
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: want to do that. I love you know, And it's

533
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: funny there's some opportunities coming up, which is you know

534
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: what led you and I to talking about doing more podcasting.

535
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: And it's like if I what I've kind of thought

536
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: this week is like if I told myself fire you know,

537
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: eight years ago, the position i'd be in right now,

538
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: I would be you know, elated, I'll be over the moon.

539
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: But I don't feel like that. But I do know

540
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: that I've been ungrateful to myself in the last little while.

541
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: And it's funny because you go, well, you were arrive,

542
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: you know, at this place where a thing. You know,

543
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: if something happens, by the end of the year, I

544
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: might be making something that would be the eight year

545
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: ago dream of mine. Right, yes, but right now I

546
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: don't feel like I thought I would back then. Yes,

547
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: blows my mind about what. Yeah, and it sort of

548
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: brings it back to that gratefulness. And so I mean

549
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: it's a trap. It's a complete trap.

550
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's all about you know, and I had

551
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: to sound like Craig Harper, but it's all about our thing,

552
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, thinking about thinking metacognition. Imagine if you every

553
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: time you got out of a chair you were grateful,

554
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, not bullshit, you know, like ticking the boxes. Oh,

555
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: I've got an attitude of gratitude every yeah, okay, but

556
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: really like genuinely, like like a few times where I

557
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: fucked my back to the point where I'm in bed

558
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: and I have tears rolling down my face. I'm in

559
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: nine out of ten acute pain. And for me to

560
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: go from my back to my front takes fifteen minutes

561
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: and it's agony. And then I have to have somebody

562
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: to basically help me get out of a chair and

563
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: get like when I'm in that pain, right, And now

564
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: that's nothing compared to Joel, nothing right, nothing compared to John,

565
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: my friend who got blown up. Right. Thing but the

566
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: day where all of a sudden, not all of a sudden,

567
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: but oh, now I'm not in ten out of ten

568
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: or nine out of ten pain. Now I'm in three

569
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: and I can three out of ten pain. I am

570
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: so joyful. I am so happy that I can just walk.

571
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, ah, how good is walking without pain?

572
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: How good? I can just swing my legs over the

573
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: side of the bed and I can just get out.

574
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to do that for three weeks.

575
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: And just like, I mean, but this is you know,

576
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: and so that you realize that gratitude or contentment or

577
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: joy maybe not all the time. I still think our

578
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: external environment has of course it has something to do

579
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: with it, But a lot of times it's just like,

580
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: oh I can do all of this stuff which a

581
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: lot of people can't do. You know, there'll come a

582
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: time when you and I we can't get in and

583
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Speaker 1: out of a chair. There will be a time in

584
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: your life, and it won't be for a very long time,

585
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: but you won't be able to get out of a chair.

586
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: You won't be able to pick up your grandkids. There'll

587
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: come a time when you've got three or four days left, right,

588
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: but now is not that time. Like even for me,

589
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: I'm sixty, I feel like a fucking teenager, and I

590
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: am so grateful that I chose not to smoke, not

591
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: to drink booze, not to do drugs. I'm grateful, and

592
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't mean this to sound weird, but I'm so

593
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: grateful that I am sixty and relatively healthy, fit, strong,

594
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: and cognitively good. I'm so grateful because I meet people

595
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: my age and I'm like, fucking he fuck if not

596
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: for a few decisions, that could have been me. And

597
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't mean that in a judgmental way. I just

598
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: look at them and I don't feel anything other than

599
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: compassion and I want to help. But I talk to

600
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: people that are my age, that literally function like somebody

601
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: twenty years older, and that's you know, So I'm glad

602
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: I had those experiences. I'm glad I had those kind

603
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: of light bulb moments. I'm glad that I I've learned

604
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: the things that I've learned. You know.

605
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: I feel like if you're to, you know, look at

606
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: a computer and installing some software, the gratitude floppy disc

607
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: is pretty good in terms of your computer operating. Well,

608
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: do you think there's a function or do you think

609
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: there's a purpose or do you think it serves us

610
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: not to be grateful at times? Because I know just

611
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: the cavet on that is, when I haven't been grateful,

612
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: I've strived more, I've been motivated to conquer, you know,

613
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: that sort of you know, established my career. I'm not

614
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: where I want to be, it's not being grateful.

615
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: That's a clever question, dude, Wow, that is a really

616
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: clever question. So I think the answer to your question

617
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: is yes, I think there are times when depending Now

618
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: this is dependent, right, like if you are dissatisfied, if

619
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: you are, for want of a better term, ungrateful, right

620
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: then maybe from a purely winning accolades building bank, you know,

621
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: maybe that's the thing that drives you. Maybe that's the thing,

622
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: Maybe that's your fuel. So if we're talking about building

623
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: a business or brand, or making lots of dough or

624
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: achieving things on a practical or an outcome level, then

625
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: maybe in that sense, yeah, maybe it's good. That's a

626
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: clever question. But then I would think I would wonder

627
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: and I think I'm what you just described. I think

628
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: both you and I have probably been that. Then you

629
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: get to the point where you know, like I've told

630
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: that story too many times and I won't bore everyone,

631
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: but when I was in my thirties and I had

632
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: five business is, five bricks and mortar businesses, five locations,

633
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: five venues, lots of staff, all of them making money,

634
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: me having you know, lots of nice things in my life,

635
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: making really good dough, and in the middle of all

636
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: of that, it it wouldn't have mattered if I had

637
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: ten businesses. I just wasn't joyful, like my default setting was.

638
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: And that's not to say the businesses caused it, but

639
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: that was just my situation. There wasn't There wasn't a

640
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: lot of contentment or gratitude because I was. It didn't

641
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: matter what I did. It wasn't enough it's like, no, well,

642
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: we're doing a thousand sessions of PT a week. I mean,

643
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: we were doing for a long time over one thousand

644
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: personal training sessions a week between my three centers, and

645
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: at one stage about sixteen hundred, you know, and it

646
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: didn't matter. It's like, well I needed seventeen hundred, I

647
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: needed eight eene hundred, and it didn't. Like you know,

648
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: when you go you realize, but then you kind of

649
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: get to the point and hopefully if there's a hopefully,

650
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: if you can ever be still and hit the pause

651
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: button for long enough and you know, reflect, Like you

652
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: spoke about awareness before, awareness is acknowledging the thing that

653
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: you're doing, even though it might be making lots of money,

654
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: maybe it's not working if it depends what our metric is.

655
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: If our only metric or KPI is dough money, then

656
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: we're winning. But if we're thinking maybe about our spiritual, emotional,

657
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: or social or psychological bank balance, maybe we're going broke

658
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: despite the fact that we've got lots of good shit.

659
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: And then that lends itself to the comparison between I

660
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: guess the appearance of success and the experience of success.

661
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: Like I think you in many ways are way more

662
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: successful than me, depending on the metrics that we look through.

663
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: So you're happily married, you've got a beautiful wife, you've

664
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: got beautiful children, you've got a very good business, you've

665
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,959
Speaker 1: got good income. I think a lot of people would

666
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: look at you and go I would much rather be

667
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: Tom than Craig. I think a lot of I think

668
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: the majority, And that's not throwing me under the bus

669
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: or putting you on a pedestal. But again, there will

670
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: be people who go, fuck that. I don't want to

671
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: be Tom. I want to be Harps. His life looks

672
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 1: fucking amazing. Yeah, you know, so it's all about how

673
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: do we You know, I feel more successful now than

674
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: when I had five businesses and one hundred staff on

675
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: the go. And that's not because I'm making more money

676
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: than then, or I'm I've got a bigger brand than then.

677
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: It's because I'm genuinely happy. Like most of my life

678
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: I am, I'm raally anxious, I'm rarely sad, and maybe

679
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: part of that is genetic, and I'm very grateful for that,

680
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: but I think like the thing is too consciously genuinely

681
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: practice gratitude and go, Yeah, my life is if like

682
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: I always say to Melissa, if I complain about my life,

683
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: kick me in the dick, because I'm the problem. Yeah,

684
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: because my life's fucking amazing. So if I'm complaining, it's

685
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: me that's the issue.

686
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that, Craig. I love you, mate, I

687
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: feel loved tom Oh, that's nice. What about for you?

688
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: Like, when do you do you ever get to the

689
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: point where you're like, Ah, have I leant my ladder

690
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: against the wrong wall or have I climbed the wrong mountain?

691
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: I I think I've maybe, so I've tried things that

692
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: haven't worked. And it's interesting the term failure I was

693
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: thinking about recently. I haven't felt in my life like

694
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: I've failed. I've done things that didn't work. Yeah, And

695
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking about like, there's you know, the

696
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 2: term by not having the term failure in my mind

697
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: when I look at these my past, is that detrimental

698
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: to my progress or you know, just thinking around the

699
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: term failure because it's not something I said before. I

700
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: don't I haven't really thought. I'm using the term purpose

701
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: within my life and then connecting you know, hard failures,

702
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: which I definitely have had things that didn't work, and

703
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: so you could just call that the failure within my life.

704
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, I've always just felt like that I've flowed

705
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: on with the direction. But the honest truth is like

706
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: at the moment, like I said, that thing that's coming up, like,

707
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: I probably feel like I haven't made all this progress,

708
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: But it's that that's not true, that isn't true.

709
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: I'm just I've watched you from being a kid till

710
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: now right literally a teenager, and if I would, you know,

711
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't say things that I don't mean. I am

712
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: super proud of you, and I'm not piss sing in

713
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: your pocket. And some people are like, oh my god,

714
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: this is a love fest, right, and don't I don't care.

715
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: I don't apologize for that I think. But you know, also,

716
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: if I think you're being a fuck with, I'm going

717
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: to tell you I think you're being a fuck with.

718
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: And the reason I do that is also because I

719
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: love you, right, I think that is you know, I

720
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: know that over the years I've been a bit of

721
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: a mentor to you or whatever, which is you know,

722
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: flattering to me and maybe helpful or not helpful to you.

723
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, I think that when

724
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: people do great, you should tell them, they're doing great,

725
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: you know. And I look at you and I think,

726
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: because I know when you know, even not that many

727
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: years ago, when you and I were you know, version

728
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: one of my podcasts the day of the Craig Harpers Show,

729
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: and we were filming every episode and you can still

730
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: go to YouTube and watch it. Was it called the

731
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: Craig harpersh Show. Is that what they?

732
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: You know?

733
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: And you and I did, and we did in the

734
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: time and effort and energy that you put in for

735
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: no money, like you did ninety percent of the work

736
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: I did, you did ninety five. I did five percent

737
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: of the work, and you did all the fucking filming

738
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: and editing and conceptualizing, and you'd come up with ideas

739
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: for shows. And then I just sit there and bullshit

740
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: on and I used to be so grateful that I

741
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: had this young, talented, dynamic, fucking person just wanting to

742
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: do stuff with me, right, And then I look at

743
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: that dude, you know, pre kids, pre marriage, pre all

744
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: of that, or maybe you've just been married then, but anyway,

745
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: it was a long time ago. And now I fast

746
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: forward to now your mid thirties, I'm like, wow, there's

747
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: been a there's been an evolution, like and you've just

748
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: gotten better, you know, and you're still excited and you're

749
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: still curious, and you're still developing talent and skill and

750
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: awareness and all that, but you're also just you've evolved

751
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: as a person, you know. And I think it's that

752
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: that that almost that bilateral journey of developing all your

753
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: stuff but also developing yourself the middle of all.

754
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: Of that, which I think you've explained that person that

755
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: was running fast and I feel like I've slowed down now,

756
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: which I think when we shared our previous approach to life,

757
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 2: it can sometimes leave residual around, you know, the metric,

758
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 2: the internal metric that you need to meet to feel

759
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: like you are progressing and so that fast paced you know,

760
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: like fun energy when you know, I need that approach.

761
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: I need to feel stressful to be able to execute. Yeah,

762
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: like I know that that isn't true, but it can

763
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: really feel like in not progressing based on a new

764
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: approach or a slower approach.

765
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: And I think different people need different things. I was

766
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 1: in Brisbane yesterday morning. I met with doctor Alex who

767
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: have had on the show A bunch neurosurgeon, and you know,

768
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: he was describing to me was spoken before about the

769
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: process of like he realized when he was in year

770
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: ten he wanted to be a neurosurgeon. I'm like, fuck,

771
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: when I was in year ten, When I was in

772
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: year ten, I was just one of my first route.

773
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, that was that was my goal. That didn't

774
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: happen till I was thirty one. But anyway, that's another show.

775
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: But like he wanted to be a fucking neurosurgeon, I'm thinking,

776
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: and then so there and then he was telling me

777
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: about the journey and the pressure and how how hard

778
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: it was, which I can imagine and applying to you know,

779
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: it's like most people who even people who become doctors,

780
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: and you don't then just go, now I'm doing neurosurgery,

781
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: Like there's this incredible process that most people don't get through.

782
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: But my long winded point was that he thrives under pressure.

783
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: And you want a guy or girl who's operating on

784
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: your brain to be awesome under pressure, you know what

785
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean. You don't want someone who's fucking got your

786
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: top of your head off and they're working on your

787
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: brain and they're not cool in a crisis, or they're

788
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: not calm and I think that, you know, it is

789
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: like you said, like you're running slower, but you're getting

790
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: there quicker. That's the irony, you know. And this other

791
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: term came to mind before, and you're like this, it's

792
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: called destination disappointment. And destination disappointment is you get where

793
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: you wanted to go and you're like, ah, this is

794
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: not it. You know, it's like the top of the mountain. Ah,

795
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: this is not the mountain, or there's the mountain over there,

796
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: and you know, so that and sometimes we realize that,

797
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, the important and I know this is cliche

798
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: and this is not a new revelation, but it ain't

799
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: really about the destination. It's about what happens to you

800
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: on the way. You know, it's about the journey. It's

801
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: about who you become, not what you achieve or you know.

802
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: And it's like I know that because I've done so

803
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: many things, and I've fucked up so many things. But

804
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: I've built businesses, I've built brands, I've built you know,

805
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: I've done multiple degrees, I've put myself in academic stuff.

806
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: I've been broke, I've made money. I've done lots of

807
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: things that didn't work. A few things that did work.

808
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: I've fucked up, I've failed, I've been uncomfortable. I know

809
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: that you could put me in nearly any situation and

810
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: I'd probably figure it out because I'm adaptable and because

811
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm used to solving problems, and because I didn't grow

812
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: up being privileged, and I didn't grow up in wealth,

813
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: and I didn't grow up being the smartest or the

814
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: most talented, And so that platform of mediocrity for me

815
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: was like, ironically one of the most empowering things, because

816
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: if I wanted to be good, if I wanted to succeed,

817
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: if I wanted to be better than average, then it

818
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: was always just going to be about work and consistency,

819
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: you know. And so all of that pain and all

820
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: of those fuck ups, and you know, the three podcasts

821
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: that I did before this, the three shows that didn't

822
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: really work, the five or six hundred shows of the

823
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: episode of the U Project that kind of cost money,

824
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, the eight hundred to one thousand episodes that

825
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: I did before we started being commercially viable. That was

826
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: all fucking great training. That was all great resilience building,

827
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: that was great awareness. That was awesome for giving me

828
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: understanding and insight and understanding the science of podcasting. Yeah,

829
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, And I couldn't have the knowledge or experience

830
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: or skill or understanding that I have now if I

831
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: hadn't have gone through all the shit. You know. But

832
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm almost positive if I started a new one tomorrow

833
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: it would work because I know the two hundred things

834
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: not to do.

835
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Or you'd decided that there was no destination

836
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: and you were just a part of the process and

837
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 2: you were enjoying it, and so there's it working.

838
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Imagine that I'm here. Imagine that you're just like

839
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm here where you're going, I'm already there. Yeah, Yeah,

840
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: I'm just here. There is no destination, there is no

841
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: Imagine that a life without a life without goals, just

842
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: a life with purpose. Oh maybe that's the key, Tom.

843
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: Maybe we've come full circle, Tom.

844
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love it.

845
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: How often you're going to come and bless us with

846
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: your presence over here, you know, at the you Project.

847
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, Craig, As long as many times as

848
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: you have me, I'll be there.

849
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: Get your people to talk to my people.

850
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will. It'll be me talking to your people.

851
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: Me talking to you. Yeah. Do you want to give

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Speaker 1: anybody a shout out? Do you want to direct people

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Speaker 1: towards anything?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'd like to Yeah, Like I would actually like

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Speaker 2: to plug someth Craig, this is why I came on. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 2: my son DJ DAKA shout out to him. He's a

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Speaker 2: seven year old aspiring DJ, big ambitions of you know,

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Speaker 2: some big gigs out there. Just wanted to give him.

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Speaker 2: He'd be happy that he got a shout out on

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Speaker 2: Craig's show.

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Speaker 1: DAKA shout out from Harps and Dad.

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Speaker 2: There is body my son. He says stuff and he's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you saying? He's like, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: what Craig Harper says. I can't remember the phrase right now.

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Speaker 2: It's like he says something. I'm like, where did you

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Speaker 2: hear that? He's like, yeah, Craig Harper says it.

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Speaker 1: I really don't think the world needs me roll for

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Speaker 1: seven year old, So I think maybe the opposite. He

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Speaker 1: didn't say, Dad, don't be a fucking idiot, did he.

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Speaker 2: No, it was no swear word. It was It's like

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Speaker 2: it's like a phrase. It's like hey you going or

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Speaker 2: something like that. It's just basic. And he's like yeah,

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Speaker 2: Craig Harpers is that Maybe he thinks Craig harp is

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Speaker 2: a different person. Maybe he thinks there's a YouTuber out

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Speaker 2: there called that has your name or something. Maybe I

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Speaker 2: don't know, but yeah, shout out to DJ Dacker, d

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Speaker 2: J Dacker.

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Speaker 1: We'll finish on DJ Dacker. You have a good night, mate.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: See you next time. See yeah,