1 00:00:05,881 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approche production. 2 00:00:10,361 --> 00:00:13,801 Speaker 2: North Lakes is a suburb of Brisbane. It's about thirty 3 00:00:13,801 --> 00:00:17,601 Speaker 2: one kilometers away from the Brisbane CBD. It's famous in 4 00:00:17,681 --> 00:00:20,401 Speaker 2: Brisbane for a couple of reasons. It's the only place 5 00:00:20,401 --> 00:00:22,921 Speaker 2: you can find at Costco and it's also the home 6 00:00:23,001 --> 00:00:27,401 Speaker 2: to one of the two of Brisbane's Ikeas. The population 7 00:00:27,641 --> 00:00:30,321 Speaker 2: is mainly made up of young families, and that's exactly 8 00:00:30,401 --> 00:00:33,601 Speaker 2: why Lee and his wife Emma moved to Australia in 9 00:00:33,641 --> 00:00:37,801 Speaker 2: the first place. It's a safe, quiet environment to raise 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,561 Speaker 2: their two kids, Cassie and Scarlet. It's Christmas twenty twenty 11 00:00:42,561 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: two at Lee and Emma's house. It's been a big 12 00:00:45,241 --> 00:00:47,521 Speaker 2: few days for the family, being away from the UK 13 00:00:47,721 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: for Christmas. They spent the day together with friends at 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,841 Speaker 2: the beach, the quintessential Queensland Christmas. Boxing Day comes around 15 00:00:56,321 --> 00:00:59,201 Speaker 2: and today's the day for mowing the lawn and watching 16 00:00:59,241 --> 00:01:10,241 Speaker 2: Australia flog South Africa in the Boxing Day Test. At 17 00:01:10,241 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: about nine point thirty pm that night, Lee and Emma 18 00:01:13,321 --> 00:01:16,441 Speaker 2: finish watching a movie in the family room and then 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:25,001 Speaker 2: head off to bed. At eleven thirty Lee wakes up 20 00:01:25,321 --> 00:01:29,201 Speaker 2: the dogs are going crazy outside. It's not their normal bark. 21 00:01:29,721 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: They seem really angry. Emma is already awake. She's looking 22 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,161 Speaker 2: at the security cameras with the glow of her phone 23 00:01:40,241 --> 00:01:43,601 Speaker 2: lighting up the room. On the cameras, she sees the 24 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: front door is open. They get out of bed and 25 00:01:47,401 --> 00:01:51,681 Speaker 2: they open the bedroom door and are confronted by two intruders. 26 00:01:53,201 --> 00:01:56,361 Speaker 2: One of them, a seventeen year old boy, has an 27 00:01:56,401 --> 00:02:00,721 Speaker 2: eleven centimeter knife. Lee and Emma are startled. They try 28 00:02:00,761 --> 00:02:03,601 Speaker 2: to defend their house and protect their two teenage kids 29 00:02:04,081 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: by pushing the thieves outside. They didn't see the knife 30 00:02:08,681 --> 00:02:12,521 Speaker 2: until it was too late. The thieves run, but not 31 00:02:12,641 --> 00:02:15,481 Speaker 2: before Lee is stabbed in the back and kicked in 32 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,441 Speaker 2: the face. As Lee has taken away in the ambulance, 33 00:02:20,161 --> 00:02:23,161 Speaker 2: his wife Emma is lying on their front lawn with 34 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,321 Speaker 2: specialist paramedics performing open heart surgery because of a knife 35 00:02:27,321 --> 00:02:32,561 Speaker 2: wound to her heart, but it's too late. Emma passes 36 00:02:32,601 --> 00:02:42,121 Speaker 2: away on her front lawn a boxing day. This story 37 00:02:42,161 --> 00:02:46,321 Speaker 2: sounds like such a nightmare, sounds like it's from a movie, 38 00:02:47,481 --> 00:02:51,121 Speaker 2: but it's not. It's happening right across the country and 39 00:02:51,161 --> 00:02:54,121 Speaker 2: in Queensland right now. It's the worst sitting in Australia 40 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,041 Speaker 2: for youth crime. 41 00:02:55,281 --> 00:02:58,601 Speaker 3: Queensland's youth crime pricess has reached new highs this morning, 42 00:02:58,601 --> 00:03:03,441 Speaker 3: with alarming figures confirming offenses are on the rise. You're 43 00:03:03,481 --> 00:03:06,881 Speaker 3: not the arrest joy ride stolen black Audi coming to 44 00:03:06,921 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: a dramatic end at Castle Gynoff. 45 00:03:09,281 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: One of these juveniles is a prolific, serious repeat offender. 46 00:03:13,841 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: This is the start of a robbery. The shop attendant 47 00:03:18,281 --> 00:03:21,481 Speaker 3: just doesn't know it yet, that is until their casual 48 00:03:21,561 --> 00:03:27,001 Speaker 3: conversations take a sinister tod It's one of these teenagers 49 00:03:27,041 --> 00:03:35,041 Speaker 3: appears to be armed. A woman tries pleading with them. 50 00:03:35,521 --> 00:03:38,601 Speaker 2: Lee's story is extreme, but every day we hear stories 51 00:03:38,641 --> 00:03:43,081 Speaker 2: of youth offenders stealing cars, breaking into houses, carjackings and 52 00:03:43,161 --> 00:03:46,561 Speaker 2: knife crime. In the year twenty twenty three to twenty 53 00:03:46,601 --> 00:03:50,281 Speaker 2: four in Queensland, there were over three thy three hundred 54 00:03:50,361 --> 00:03:54,321 Speaker 2: children between ten and seventeen years old who committed a 55 00:03:54,361 --> 00:04:00,321 Speaker 2: proven offense. Sixty eight percent of those reoffended within twelve months. 56 00:04:01,321 --> 00:04:05,561 Speaker 2: Sixty two percent of the crime in Queensland was around property, 57 00:04:06,161 --> 00:04:09,401 Speaker 2: seven percent of that crime was violent, and four percent 58 00:04:09,481 --> 00:04:13,321 Speaker 2: of it had drug involvement. Remember these are kids between 59 00:04:13,361 --> 00:04:17,121 Speaker 2: ten and seventeen years old. There's growing community anger over 60 00:04:17,161 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: Queensland's youth crime crisis after a woman was held at 61 00:04:20,401 --> 00:04:24,121 Speaker 2: knife point in her own home. It's a really complex issue, 62 00:04:24,721 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: with over eighty percent of youth offenders admitting to substance abuse. 63 00:04:29,401 --> 00:04:32,881 Speaker 2: Thirty eight percent of those have used ice or meth. 64 00:04:33,481 --> 00:04:36,401 Speaker 2: Almost half don't go to school or have a job, 65 00:04:36,841 --> 00:04:40,921 Speaker 2: or have been impacted by domestic and family violence. As 66 00:04:40,961 --> 00:04:45,441 Speaker 2: I said, it's a really complex issue. I can tell 67 00:04:45,481 --> 00:04:47,761 Speaker 2: your firsthand the feeling that you get when someone gets 68 00:04:47,761 --> 00:04:51,321 Speaker 2: into your safe space, your home, or your car. This 69 00:04:51,401 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: is nothing like Lee's story, but it's still affected me 70 00:04:54,201 --> 00:04:56,361 Speaker 2: and my family, and I'm going to let my wife 71 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,961 Speaker 2: Katie tell the story. Yeah. 72 00:04:59,001 --> 00:05:00,961 Speaker 4: So for me, it was simple. I was on holiday 73 00:05:00,961 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 4: and had a pet sitter looking after our pets. She 74 00:05:03,601 --> 00:05:06,001 Speaker 4: called one morning to ask me to check the security 75 00:05:06,001 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 4: cameras because she thought that her car had been broken into. 76 00:05:10,641 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 4: We checked and at seven fifty five am on a 77 00:05:12,961 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 4: Friday morning, in the middle of school holidays, with two 78 00:05:15,601 --> 00:05:18,881 Speaker 4: cars parked in the driveway as a man he was 79 00:05:18,921 --> 00:05:22,041 Speaker 4: wearing a black Puma hoodie. On the camera, he reaches 80 00:05:22,161 --> 00:05:24,601 Speaker 4: down to his ankle to get something. It's grainy, so 81 00:05:24,641 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 4: we can't really see what it is, but looks like 82 00:05:27,001 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 4: maybe a knife or a screwdriver. Then he goes back 83 00:05:29,681 --> 00:05:34,361 Speaker 4: to his pocket and pulls out a white glove. He's 84 00:05:34,401 --> 00:05:36,281 Speaker 4: not bothered that it's in the middle of the morning, 85 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,241 Speaker 4: like he could probably see the security camera. He's not 86 00:05:39,281 --> 00:05:42,121 Speaker 4: done anything to disguise himself. He looks like he's young, 87 00:05:42,201 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 4: possibly under eighteen. He looks into the car and then 88 00:05:45,481 --> 00:05:47,961 Speaker 4: he's disturbed, so he jumps into the neighbor's yard over 89 00:05:48,001 --> 00:05:51,361 Speaker 4: a one point eight meter fence, and then he disappears 90 00:05:51,401 --> 00:05:55,321 Speaker 4: from our cameras for two minutes and twenty two seconds, 91 00:05:56,721 --> 00:05:59,321 Speaker 4: and then he appears again, this time in our backyard. 92 00:05:59,601 --> 00:06:03,121 Speaker 4: Our back camera's now picking him up, so he must 93 00:06:03,161 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 4: have tried the neighbor's doors and not got in. He 94 00:06:05,241 --> 00:06:08,961 Speaker 4: then walks around to our laundry sliding door. The camera 95 00:06:09,041 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 4: down the side gate grabs a perfect picture of his face. 96 00:06:11,761 --> 00:06:15,001 Speaker 4: He tries the door, no luck. Our dog spots him. 97 00:06:15,081 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 4: She's barking. He then goes to another back door. She 98 00:06:19,561 --> 00:06:23,001 Speaker 4: keeps barking. He tries the door and opens the slider, 99 00:06:23,361 --> 00:06:25,641 Speaker 4: but luckily it has a security screen and he can't 100 00:06:25,681 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 4: get in. You can see him on the camera occasionally hiding. 101 00:06:30,481 --> 00:06:33,281 Speaker 4: We didn't know why until later. It was because the 102 00:06:33,361 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: pets that are inside with making toast. She was getting 103 00:06:35,961 --> 00:06:38,641 Speaker 4: ready for work, so he's been watching her, not bothered, 104 00:06:38,801 --> 00:06:43,081 Speaker 4: just watching and waiting. So the dog keeps barking. He 105 00:06:43,161 --> 00:06:45,281 Speaker 4: jumps the fence again. Next time we see him on 106 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,361 Speaker 4: the front camera again by the car. He tries the 107 00:06:48,361 --> 00:06:50,961 Speaker 4: door and gets in. He quickly rummages in the car 108 00:06:51,161 --> 00:06:54,721 Speaker 4: using his gloved hand, being careful not to leave fingerprints, 109 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: so it's clear this isn't his first time. He gets 110 00:06:58,481 --> 00:07:01,121 Speaker 4: a few things from the car, nothing really valuable, then 111 00:07:01,241 --> 00:07:03,561 Speaker 4: runs to the front door of the house, tries the 112 00:07:03,601 --> 00:07:06,521 Speaker 4: front door, no luck, and then just as quickly as 113 00:07:06,521 --> 00:07:09,041 Speaker 4: he arrives, he's gone, the whole episode taking less than 114 00:07:09,281 --> 00:07:09,921 Speaker 4: eight minutes. 115 00:07:13,401 --> 00:07:15,361 Speaker 2: Now, as I said, that story is not to compare 116 00:07:15,401 --> 00:07:18,121 Speaker 2: it to Lee's story, but to talk about how it 117 00:07:18,281 --> 00:07:22,121 Speaker 2: changed things for us afterwards. We weren't at home, we're 118 00:07:22,161 --> 00:07:24,241 Speaker 2: on holidays, but the image of a man in a 119 00:07:24,241 --> 00:07:27,521 Speaker 2: hoodie in our backyard standing where we hang out our 120 00:07:27,721 --> 00:07:30,721 Speaker 2: washing freaked us out. When we got back home. It 121 00:07:30,761 --> 00:07:33,161 Speaker 2: took us weeks to actually go outside to hang out 122 00:07:33,201 --> 00:07:36,441 Speaker 2: the washing again, and that was after we installed more 123 00:07:36,481 --> 00:07:39,401 Speaker 2: cameras and put up some other new security measures in 124 00:07:39,441 --> 00:07:43,601 Speaker 2: our home. And I bought a baseball bat for under 125 00:07:43,601 --> 00:07:47,961 Speaker 2: the bed. Stupid, I know, because would I ever use it? 126 00:07:48,121 --> 00:07:51,401 Speaker 2: Probably not? So why do we need to do this? 127 00:07:52,121 --> 00:07:55,361 Speaker 2: We don't live in America where people carry guns. We 128 00:07:55,481 --> 00:07:58,281 Speaker 2: live in a quiet suburb of Brisbane, a place where 129 00:07:58,321 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: I would leave the back door unlocked while the kids 130 00:08:00,721 --> 00:08:03,121 Speaker 2: were in the pool or I was cooking a barbie. 131 00:08:03,441 --> 00:08:05,561 Speaker 2: I might leave the garage door open while I was 132 00:08:05,601 --> 00:08:08,681 Speaker 2: mowing the lawn or moving shopping inside from the car. 133 00:08:09,481 --> 00:08:12,081 Speaker 2: I used to leave my garage remote in the car 134 00:08:12,201 --> 00:08:14,761 Speaker 2: because it was easy. But because of this one guy, 135 00:08:15,281 --> 00:08:24,441 Speaker 2: all that's changed and our story isn't unique. So while 136 00:08:24,441 --> 00:08:25,961 Speaker 2: in this story we're going to tell you the story 137 00:08:26,001 --> 00:08:28,721 Speaker 2: of Lee and Emma and the pain and tragedy and 138 00:08:28,761 --> 00:08:32,361 Speaker 2: the aftermath their family, it has a subtext to it. 139 00:08:33,401 --> 00:08:36,681 Speaker 2: Why is this happening in Queensland, the worst state in 140 00:08:36,721 --> 00:08:40,481 Speaker 2: Australia for youth crime. What's being done about it? And 141 00:08:40,721 --> 00:08:44,961 Speaker 2: is it enough? Can we learn from anyone else? And 142 00:08:45,001 --> 00:08:48,081 Speaker 2: when does it change? And I guess the big question 143 00:08:49,081 --> 00:09:00,041 Speaker 2: is who's to blame. The idea of this podcast was 144 00:09:00,081 --> 00:09:02,721 Speaker 2: to highlight these stories to make them real. It's not 145 00:09:02,761 --> 00:09:05,641 Speaker 2: about scaring you, it's about saying, now, more than ever, 146 00:09:05,761 --> 00:09:10,001 Speaker 2: they could happen to anyone. Lee and his family were 147 00:09:10,041 --> 00:09:13,041 Speaker 2: normal people, living a normal life when something like this 148 00:09:13,321 --> 00:09:17,081 Speaker 2: changed their lives forever. In May twenty twenty four, the 149 00:09:17,161 --> 00:09:19,641 Speaker 2: seventeen year old that murdered Lee's wife in their home 150 00:09:19,801 --> 00:09:23,201 Speaker 2: was sentenced. We'll talk about that sentence with Lee shortly, 151 00:09:23,281 --> 00:09:26,281 Speaker 2: but first let's understand why Lee and Emma moved to 152 00:09:26,321 --> 00:09:28,721 Speaker 2: Brisbane from the UK in the first place. 153 00:09:30,521 --> 00:09:34,041 Speaker 5: Emma and I met when she was like nineteen and 154 00:09:34,081 --> 00:09:36,241 Speaker 5: I was like twenty one. I think back then she 155 00:09:36,321 --> 00:09:38,201 Speaker 5: used toll working like the job center back in Ipswich 156 00:09:38,201 --> 00:09:40,561 Speaker 5: and the UK. We got sort of set up via 157 00:09:41,881 --> 00:09:44,481 Speaker 5: a friend, you know, a typical thing. I was like, oh, 158 00:09:44,561 --> 00:09:48,961 Speaker 5: I got any single friends, and then she's like, yeah, 159 00:09:49,001 --> 00:09:51,521 Speaker 5: come back on Wednesday when the Wednesday Night went round, 160 00:09:51,521 --> 00:09:53,241 Speaker 5: and then Emma was there and we sort of met 161 00:09:53,241 --> 00:09:55,641 Speaker 5: a bit, you know, and then and then the Friday 162 00:09:55,721 --> 00:09:58,401 Speaker 5: night the Frauvers went out. And I was never very 163 00:09:58,401 --> 00:09:59,841 Speaker 5: good at with the girls back then that you know, 164 00:10:00,041 --> 00:10:03,361 Speaker 5: and you know, like her friend, Emma's friend Christina, you know, 165 00:10:03,481 --> 00:10:05,521 Speaker 5: and she's like, you gotta do something, I know, if 166 00:10:05,561 --> 00:10:09,561 Speaker 5: you know, like shut up something like it's just pressure 167 00:10:09,561 --> 00:10:10,361 Speaker 5: me into this that, you know. 168 00:10:10,481 --> 00:10:13,681 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's sort of to start from there. And then. 169 00:10:14,961 --> 00:10:18,441 Speaker 5: But yeah, Emma was always very focused on work and 170 00:10:18,521 --> 00:10:22,281 Speaker 5: learning and trying to improve herself. And she got into 171 00:10:22,281 --> 00:10:24,281 Speaker 5: doing like accounts and then. 172 00:10:25,721 --> 00:10:27,121 Speaker 1: Was then for a while they're doing like. 173 00:10:27,081 --> 00:10:30,081 Speaker 5: An evening course, you know, to get her qualifications up 174 00:10:30,121 --> 00:10:31,401 Speaker 5: in accounts and that sort of stuff. 175 00:10:32,681 --> 00:10:35,641 Speaker 2: And then I guess what sort of personality. 176 00:10:36,481 --> 00:10:39,481 Speaker 5: She was quite shy really, you know, I didn't really 177 00:10:39,521 --> 00:10:42,961 Speaker 5: like to put herself out there too much. And but 178 00:10:43,041 --> 00:10:44,761 Speaker 5: I suppose the two of us together, you know, she 179 00:10:44,881 --> 00:10:47,721 Speaker 5: was quite chatty and quite a fun person to be around, 180 00:10:47,761 --> 00:10:52,401 Speaker 5: and just I don't know, isundily arrant here, but like 181 00:10:53,161 --> 00:10:56,361 Speaker 5: vary into me and you know, and then eventually like 182 00:10:56,481 --> 00:10:58,761 Speaker 5: with our kids, and I think she was just almost 183 00:10:58,841 --> 00:11:00,601 Speaker 5: like born to be our mum. So she wanted to 184 00:11:00,601 --> 00:11:03,681 Speaker 5: be to a certain extent. And I would have given 185 00:11:03,681 --> 00:11:06,761 Speaker 5: her life for a kids now, you know. And so 186 00:11:07,361 --> 00:11:08,241 Speaker 5: you've got two kids. 187 00:11:08,521 --> 00:11:08,641 Speaker 2: Uh. 188 00:11:09,121 --> 00:11:12,521 Speaker 5: Scarlett was born in two thousand and seven and Cassie 189 00:11:12,561 --> 00:11:13,801 Speaker 5: was born in two thousand and nine. 190 00:11:14,001 --> 00:11:15,161 Speaker 1: What was Emma like as mum. 191 00:11:15,321 --> 00:11:17,081 Speaker 5: Yeah, like I said, just a sort of devoted mum 192 00:11:17,121 --> 00:11:20,561 Speaker 5: really and just trying to do everything we can to 193 00:11:20,601 --> 00:11:22,601 Speaker 5: provide as much as we can for them and give 194 00:11:22,641 --> 00:11:23,641 Speaker 5: them the best life we could. 195 00:11:23,641 --> 00:11:23,921 Speaker 1: Really. 196 00:11:23,961 --> 00:11:27,041 Speaker 2: So at what stage do you think, you know what 197 00:11:27,401 --> 00:11:28,721 Speaker 2: Australia might be the place to go. 198 00:11:28,881 --> 00:11:33,481 Speaker 5: I was so we'd had Cassie at that time, and 199 00:11:33,641 --> 00:11:34,481 Speaker 5: you know, Emma was at home. 200 00:11:34,561 --> 00:11:35,961 Speaker 1: I'm maternity to leave because. 201 00:11:37,841 --> 00:11:40,601 Speaker 5: She went back to work after having Scarlet and then 202 00:11:40,841 --> 00:11:43,241 Speaker 5: then we had Cassie and then she was off for 203 00:11:43,401 --> 00:11:45,721 Speaker 5: like I think back, you get like nine months off 204 00:11:45,761 --> 00:11:48,081 Speaker 5: or something, and I remember like she went back to work. 205 00:11:48,121 --> 00:11:49,881 Speaker 5: I think she's only back at work like a day, 206 00:11:50,201 --> 00:11:51,961 Speaker 5: and she was like I don't want to I don't 207 00:11:51,961 --> 00:11:55,441 Speaker 5: want to leave her in childcare. I'm like, I'll just 208 00:11:55,441 --> 00:11:57,201 Speaker 5: don't go back to work. Then I'll work and you 209 00:11:57,201 --> 00:12:00,681 Speaker 5: stay at home. And yeah, that's how it happened for 210 00:12:00,721 --> 00:12:03,681 Speaker 5: us really, but then for Australia, like I was at 211 00:12:03,721 --> 00:12:05,521 Speaker 5: work one day and she just finded about the blue 212 00:12:05,561 --> 00:12:07,281 Speaker 5: and she's like, we hadn't really talked about this. 213 00:12:07,401 --> 00:12:09,081 Speaker 1: You know, we had things. 214 00:12:09,121 --> 00:12:11,321 Speaker 5: We had been traveling to Australia back in two thousand 215 00:12:11,361 --> 00:12:13,761 Speaker 5: and two, so we both had a little understanding about 216 00:12:13,761 --> 00:12:16,161 Speaker 5: what Australia was like. But then she phoned me up 217 00:12:16,201 --> 00:12:19,641 Speaker 5: and was just we can get visas or permanent residency 218 00:12:19,721 --> 00:12:23,161 Speaker 5: visas to Australia, okay, And She's like, back then, the 219 00:12:23,161 --> 00:12:25,961 Speaker 5: one we had was trying to get was you needed 220 00:12:25,961 --> 00:12:28,481 Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty points to get PR and we 221 00:12:28,481 --> 00:12:31,561 Speaker 5: could get like one hundred and twenty five with my trade. 222 00:12:31,281 --> 00:12:32,201 Speaker 1: And all that sort of stuff. 223 00:12:32,241 --> 00:12:34,721 Speaker 5: And I was like, because then she was saying, oh, 224 00:12:34,841 --> 00:12:36,481 Speaker 5: you don't need to get even if you get visa 225 00:12:36,521 --> 00:12:38,641 Speaker 5: straight away, you don't have to leave straight away. You've 226 00:12:38,641 --> 00:12:40,401 Speaker 5: got like a five year period that you need to 227 00:12:40,441 --> 00:12:42,881 Speaker 5: end in the country, buy something like well, it's a 228 00:12:42,961 --> 00:12:45,481 Speaker 5: start it, you know. Then that was like early two 229 00:12:45,561 --> 00:12:47,961 Speaker 5: thousand and eight, and then by that point the whole 230 00:12:47,961 --> 00:12:50,481 Speaker 5: like GFC had like kicked in, and then you know, my. 231 00:12:52,201 --> 00:12:55,121 Speaker 1: Trade got put on hold and then it wasn't. 232 00:12:54,961 --> 00:12:58,081 Speaker 5: Until like twenty eleven when things start to improve. And 233 00:12:58,121 --> 00:13:01,841 Speaker 5: then because within that, you know, between two and two eleven, 234 00:13:01,881 --> 00:13:04,641 Speaker 5: I discovered what seek, so I was often looking on 235 00:13:04,681 --> 00:13:07,121 Speaker 5: there for and then we sort of sort of settled 236 00:13:07,161 --> 00:13:08,281 Speaker 5: on we want to go to Brisbane. 237 00:13:08,321 --> 00:13:08,721 Speaker 1: And then. 238 00:13:10,521 --> 00:13:12,081 Speaker 5: Well, because I think at the time we thought that 239 00:13:12,121 --> 00:13:14,161 Speaker 5: we couldn't really we never had done like the West Coast, 240 00:13:14,161 --> 00:13:14,601 Speaker 5: you know, but like. 241 00:13:14,641 --> 00:13:18,361 Speaker 1: We couldn't really afford like Sydney. Like everyone we knew, 242 00:13:18,361 --> 00:13:19,401 Speaker 1: we probably couldn't afford it. 243 00:13:19,441 --> 00:13:21,281 Speaker 5: To move there, whereas it probably would have been a 244 00:13:21,321 --> 00:13:23,561 Speaker 5: more at times, so maybe thought it would have been 245 00:13:23,561 --> 00:13:25,321 Speaker 5: the nicer place or a better place to go. But 246 00:13:25,361 --> 00:13:27,481 Speaker 5: then you know, I suppose when we were traveling we 247 00:13:27,561 --> 00:13:28,761 Speaker 5: both liked Brisbane. 248 00:13:28,441 --> 00:13:28,921 Speaker 1: At the time. 249 00:13:29,001 --> 00:13:31,321 Speaker 5: And then and this one job come up for like 250 00:13:31,401 --> 00:13:35,601 Speaker 5: roseland demolition. They're down in Bango, and yeah, so I 251 00:13:35,721 --> 00:13:37,881 Speaker 5: just emailed and said, you know, I've just got my 252 00:13:37,961 --> 00:13:40,961 Speaker 5: pr we're in the press of selling our house. I'm 253 00:13:41,001 --> 00:13:43,601 Speaker 5: applying for the job. So they replied and we had 254 00:13:43,641 --> 00:13:45,481 Speaker 5: a chat on Skye thing he offered me the job. 255 00:13:45,601 --> 00:13:48,201 Speaker 5: So I got I got to Australia on the fourth 256 00:13:48,241 --> 00:13:50,721 Speaker 5: of November, and I think I then started work on 257 00:13:50,761 --> 00:13:52,281 Speaker 5: the on the seventh, which was the Monday. 258 00:13:52,441 --> 00:13:54,081 Speaker 1: I said, I was like staying with my boss at 259 00:13:54,121 --> 00:13:55,241 Speaker 1: the time, and. 260 00:13:55,201 --> 00:13:57,801 Speaker 2: So Lee and Emma moved to Australia. In fact, Lee 261 00:13:57,921 --> 00:14:00,321 Speaker 2: comes out first to start his job, and Emma has 262 00:14:00,361 --> 00:14:02,561 Speaker 2: told him that she's not moving out with the kids 263 00:14:02,641 --> 00:14:05,761 Speaker 2: until he finds a house. Lee needs to find a 264 00:14:05,801 --> 00:14:09,161 Speaker 2: place quick, so he decides Ont Lakes. It's an area 265 00:14:09,201 --> 00:14:13,721 Speaker 2: that's growing fast. Your houses everywhere, shopping centers, schools going up, 266 00:14:13,841 --> 00:14:16,281 Speaker 2: and it's not too far from the Sunny Coast and 267 00:14:16,361 --> 00:14:17,361 Speaker 2: the city of Brisbane. 268 00:14:17,761 --> 00:14:19,521 Speaker 1: It sounds funny, but it was probably like the hardest 269 00:14:19,521 --> 00:14:21,801 Speaker 1: three weeks of my life. You know. You think that, 270 00:14:21,961 --> 00:14:22,961 Speaker 1: like you're. 271 00:14:26,521 --> 00:14:31,361 Speaker 5: Confident and strong and emotional, I suppose to make that 272 00:14:31,441 --> 00:14:32,881 Speaker 5: leap into a new country, but. 273 00:14:33,841 --> 00:14:34,201 Speaker 1: I don't know. 274 00:14:34,281 --> 00:14:36,361 Speaker 5: It was just so hard without her, like, you know, 275 00:14:36,481 --> 00:14:39,641 Speaker 5: her being my support, you know, and I don't know, 276 00:14:39,681 --> 00:14:42,321 Speaker 5: it was really really challenging not having her here for 277 00:14:42,321 --> 00:14:44,601 Speaker 5: those three weeks, you know. And I was so grateful 278 00:14:44,601 --> 00:14:46,801 Speaker 5: when she turned up, you know, and you know, it's 279 00:14:46,841 --> 00:14:50,521 Speaker 5: not just it's not just like moving house. You move 280 00:14:50,561 --> 00:14:53,761 Speaker 5: in country people new town, don't know where anyone is, 281 00:14:53,841 --> 00:14:57,561 Speaker 5: don't know anything that moment, you know, and not having 282 00:14:57,601 --> 00:15:02,161 Speaker 5: her here was like so hard. Like maybe I never 283 00:15:02,201 --> 00:15:03,801 Speaker 5: told her how hard I found it, but yeah, that 284 00:15:03,921 --> 00:15:12,041 Speaker 5: was really hard. Really, So yeah, before we left, you know, again, 285 00:15:12,081 --> 00:15:14,481 Speaker 5: like looking online, Emma had heard about North Lakes there's 286 00:15:14,441 --> 00:15:17,681 Speaker 5: obviously a lot of English moving here, and so my 287 00:15:17,801 --> 00:15:21,161 Speaker 5: boss lived in dunder So like at the weekend's predominantly 288 00:15:21,201 --> 00:15:23,561 Speaker 5: I was sort of driving up here to North Lakes 289 00:15:23,601 --> 00:15:25,681 Speaker 5: and just having a look around, driving around, and then 290 00:15:26,281 --> 00:15:28,681 Speaker 5: Emma stipulation was like, I'm not moving over until we've 291 00:15:28,681 --> 00:15:31,121 Speaker 5: got us a house, you know. So that's why I 292 00:15:31,161 --> 00:15:33,441 Speaker 5: was a bit desperate to find somewhere and get all 293 00:15:33,441 --> 00:15:35,521 Speaker 5: the forms put in water. So yeah, as soon as 294 00:15:35,561 --> 00:15:37,841 Speaker 5: I phoned her up and says, look, I've got this place, 295 00:15:37,961 --> 00:15:40,081 Speaker 5: then she booked the tickets like straight away. So, and 296 00:15:40,121 --> 00:15:42,041 Speaker 5: what did you like about North Lakes when you first 297 00:15:42,041 --> 00:15:45,361 Speaker 5: come up? I suppose I thought it was quite a 298 00:15:45,441 --> 00:15:47,521 Speaker 5: nice area. It was nice because the shops. You know, 299 00:15:47,561 --> 00:15:49,481 Speaker 5: it's before the shops got extended, you know, but the 300 00:15:49,481 --> 00:15:52,041 Speaker 5: shops are pretty big, and you know, like I suppose 301 00:15:52,041 --> 00:15:53,801 Speaker 5: I liked it. I still like that now because I 302 00:15:53,881 --> 00:15:55,041 Speaker 5: like the way you can sort of come off the 303 00:15:55,081 --> 00:15:56,521 Speaker 5: highway and it's like its own suburb. 304 00:15:56,561 --> 00:15:56,721 Speaker 1: You know. 305 00:15:56,761 --> 00:15:59,081 Speaker 5: It's like there's a lot of suburbs, you know, or 306 00:15:59,121 --> 00:16:01,401 Speaker 5: towards towards the city. You know, they all just sort 307 00:16:01,401 --> 00:16:04,121 Speaker 5: of blend into one, didn't they. Because you're driving through 308 00:16:04,121 --> 00:16:06,001 Speaker 5: those main roads. But I always found that North Thanks 309 00:16:06,121 --> 00:16:07,641 Speaker 5: got to come off and it's his own area, and 310 00:16:07,881 --> 00:16:10,961 Speaker 5: there's a nice little parks around and nice modern houses 311 00:16:11,001 --> 00:16:13,961 Speaker 5: and that sort of stuff that you know, And yeah, 312 00:16:14,001 --> 00:16:15,641 Speaker 5: I had no issues with it when we first started 313 00:16:15,681 --> 00:16:16,121 Speaker 5: looking around. 314 00:16:16,881 --> 00:16:19,361 Speaker 2: As I drove up to Lee's house to record the interview, 315 00:16:19,801 --> 00:16:22,361 Speaker 2: the same house that his wife was killed in, it 316 00:16:22,441 --> 00:16:26,081 Speaker 2: reminded me of a small English village. About a kilometer 317 00:16:26,121 --> 00:16:28,441 Speaker 2: away from their house is the police station. There's the 318 00:16:28,481 --> 00:16:32,841 Speaker 2: Mengo Hill Police station, which is literally, yeah, less than 319 00:16:32,881 --> 00:16:34,441 Speaker 2: four minutes away from their house. 320 00:16:36,761 --> 00:16:39,361 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful area. 321 00:16:39,441 --> 00:16:43,081 Speaker 2: So why was Lee's house targeted? Was it random or 322 00:16:43,161 --> 00:16:46,321 Speaker 2: was it more than that? Why did two seventeen year 323 00:16:46,321 --> 00:16:50,561 Speaker 2: olds break into Lee's house and not anyone else's. We'll 324 00:16:50,601 --> 00:16:53,561 Speaker 2: get to that shortly, but let's go back to Christmas 325 00:16:53,841 --> 00:16:58,801 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, the last Christmas that Emma spent with 326 00:16:58,921 --> 00:17:00,001 Speaker 2: her family. 327 00:17:07,481 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 5: Leading up to that, Like, we're generally gone around like 328 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,801 Speaker 5: a friends a friends of ours sort of the few 329 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,161 Speaker 5: roads away, and we generally spent like Christmas Day for them. 330 00:17:16,201 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 5: But they they didn't want to do Christmas dinner, and 331 00:17:23,241 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 5: so they suggested like down at the lake. There was 332 00:17:26,281 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 5: like a boarderwalk hotel. You could do like one of 333 00:17:28,201 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 5: these like two hour sort of Christmas dinner things for 334 00:17:31,721 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 5: four hour things, but it was a lot of money, 335 00:17:33,441 --> 00:17:35,281 Speaker 5: and we said that, you know, we don't want to 336 00:17:35,281 --> 00:17:36,801 Speaker 5: do that, Like, you know, if you guys want to 337 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,521 Speaker 5: do that and then come around of ours afterwards, then 338 00:17:38,721 --> 00:17:40,921 Speaker 5: you know, feel free. And then a little bit later 339 00:17:40,961 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 5: on it was like, I want, don't we go to 340 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 5: the beach insteads you know, I was like, I don't 341 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 5: really want to do that, you know, I just want 342 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 5: us to be at home, but you know, and then 343 00:17:48,521 --> 00:17:50,241 Speaker 5: I thought there'd be a bit more about a local beach, 344 00:17:50,241 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 5: but we ended up going to Point Ark right up 345 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,481 Speaker 5: on the Sunshine Coast, and it was it was quite 346 00:17:55,481 --> 00:17:56,201 Speaker 5: a enjoyable day. 347 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: Actually, you know that it was a bit sort of overcast, 348 00:17:57,681 --> 00:17:58,521 Speaker 1: but still quite warm. 349 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 5: And it's bizarre because it's Christmas Day and you just 350 00:18:01,761 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 5: have always liked spent at home to be at the beach, 351 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 5: and you know, but it was a nice day, you know, 352 00:18:07,201 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 5: like I said, it was. We had a bit of 353 00:18:08,441 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 5: a laugh and a joke and then sort of came 354 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 5: back and then you know, our friends came around ours 355 00:18:13,481 --> 00:18:18,121 Speaker 5: afterwards and had some drinks and that sort of stuff. Yeah, 356 00:18:18,321 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 5: like Christmas Day was quite a nice day, you know. 357 00:18:21,041 --> 00:18:24,041 Speaker 2: And the kids at the stage are I guess thirteen 358 00:18:24,041 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 2: and fifteen. Yeah, and so Chris was pretty exciting for 359 00:18:27,721 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: kids at that age, right, not as exciting as is 360 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,041 Speaker 2: when they're eight and ten. 361 00:18:33,201 --> 00:18:35,881 Speaker 5: Yeah, but like Emma always made it really nice for them, 362 00:18:35,921 --> 00:18:39,721 Speaker 5: and you know, like I didn't sounds funny, but like 363 00:18:39,961 --> 00:18:41,281 Speaker 5: I don't know, like a lot of guys maybe like 364 00:18:41,321 --> 00:18:43,321 Speaker 5: I didn't always know what like Ema had got, like 365 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 5: I don't know why, but she just went off and 366 00:18:45,241 --> 00:18:47,521 Speaker 5: got he's the presents and you know, always made the 367 00:18:48,321 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 5: day nice for the girls. And even at that age, 368 00:18:51,001 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 5: you know, there was a stocking where you know, that 369 00:18:54,201 --> 00:18:57,321 Speaker 5: stocking was the presence decide we from Santa, you know. 370 00:18:57,441 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 5: Then everything else was from us, you know, and it 371 00:18:59,441 --> 00:19:01,121 Speaker 5: was always you know, the stuff from center was things 372 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 5: like canna coke or you know, some socks or underwear, 373 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,001 Speaker 5: I don't know, just stuff like that, you know, and 374 00:19:06,041 --> 00:19:08,681 Speaker 5: then always like bigger stuff maybe more expensive, but we're 375 00:19:08,681 --> 00:19:09,761 Speaker 5: from US and that sort of stuff. 376 00:19:09,761 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: You know. 377 00:19:10,041 --> 00:19:12,801 Speaker 5: So yeah, she always made it like pretty nice, like 378 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 5: for the girls. I was suppose we did, really, you know, 379 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 5: but then we'd because like Scarlet was seeing a like 380 00:19:18,441 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 5: a boy at the time. So I think for like 381 00:19:20,201 --> 00:19:23,561 Speaker 5: the twenty seventh, we'd planned on having like Christmas dinner 382 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 5: that day because of missing out on having Christmas dinner 383 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 5: on Christmas Day because we just cooked like bacon and 384 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,921 Speaker 5: eggs at the beach, took a little like gast over 385 00:19:31,041 --> 00:19:34,321 Speaker 5: as you know, and cooked up. And so I think 386 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:36,321 Speaker 5: we were planning on going to the shops on the 387 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:38,961 Speaker 5: twenty seventh thing to get food for you know. 388 00:19:38,921 --> 00:19:41,721 Speaker 1: That day and that sort of stuff. But you know, 389 00:19:41,761 --> 00:19:43,321 Speaker 1: obviously like we never got any really, so. 390 00:19:44,321 --> 00:19:47,561 Speaker 2: So Boxing Day what traditionally, what what do you do 391 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 2: on Boxing Day? 392 00:19:48,921 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 5: Well, that day, Scarlet I want to go around and 393 00:19:53,481 --> 00:19:56,041 Speaker 5: see her boyfriend at the time. So we all drove 394 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:58,601 Speaker 5: to you know, sort of scar but dropped her off 395 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,321 Speaker 5: and then am I and Cassie when you've been down 396 00:20:01,321 --> 00:20:03,561 Speaker 5: at the front there it was like a little cafe 397 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 5: and we got like a there's a coffee and I 398 00:20:07,241 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 5: remember it being such a such a windy day but 399 00:20:09,521 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 5: so hot as well, and you know, I was trying 400 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:13,081 Speaker 5: to sort of keep under an umbrella of the trying 401 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,561 Speaker 5: and sort of keep out of the sun, and then 402 00:20:14,721 --> 00:20:16,241 Speaker 5: you know, we sort of had a coffee, then sort 403 00:20:16,241 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 5: of had a bit of walk along the front and 404 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 5: then I think we must have then sort of come 405 00:20:20,561 --> 00:20:22,561 Speaker 5: back to the shops, got some more food or something 406 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,521 Speaker 5: and whatever, and then sort of come home. And then 407 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 5: I don't think we really left after that. So yeah, 408 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 5: that evening and we sort of like cooked tea and 409 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,761 Speaker 5: then we ended up just like watching a film and 410 00:20:37,441 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 5: it finished about nine thirty and then so yeah, like I. 411 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,361 Speaker 1: Sort of into bed. Like I said before, we were 412 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:44,801 Speaker 1: like reasonably tired and you know. 413 00:20:44,721 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 5: And I didn't want to start putting another film like 414 00:20:48,001 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 5: nine to thirty like sort of the time, So the 415 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,441 Speaker 5: two of us just went to bed, and I thought 416 00:20:51,441 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 5: Cassie did as well, but she must have stayed up 417 00:20:53,921 --> 00:20:55,521 Speaker 5: like just watching Netflix on the ropead. 418 00:20:56,201 --> 00:20:57,721 Speaker 2: I just want to talk about the house if I 419 00:20:57,761 --> 00:21:02,761 Speaker 2: can quickly. A single story house, master bedrooms down towards 420 00:21:02,801 --> 00:21:03,441 Speaker 2: the front, is it. 421 00:21:03,921 --> 00:21:05,921 Speaker 5: Yeah, See, if you're looking at front door, the master 422 00:21:05,921 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 5: bedroom is on the right hand side, and then the 423 00:21:08,001 --> 00:21:10,361 Speaker 5: left hand side of the hallway is then our living room. 424 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you walk down into this kitchen area 425 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,321 Speaker 2: where we are right now, and then off to the 426 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,201 Speaker 2: corridor is I'm guessing bathrooms. 427 00:21:17,321 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, three bedrooms and a bathroom from aud you know, 428 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:22,121 Speaker 1: see a couple of dogs walking around. The dogs were. 429 00:21:22,201 --> 00:21:24,281 Speaker 5: Back then, like for a while, we had let the 430 00:21:24,281 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 5: dogs sleep on a bed because our bigger look sheddy 431 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,801 Speaker 5: hair constantly. Like we just force them, like sleep in 432 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,561 Speaker 5: the kitchen. They've got a bed there and we've got 433 00:21:31,561 --> 00:21:34,321 Speaker 5: those like fabric dog things that pull out, so you know, 434 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 5: we sort of trap them in the kitchen at nighttime 435 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,321 Speaker 5: so they can't get through to the kids bedrooms or 436 00:21:38,721 --> 00:21:41,081 Speaker 5: down the hallway so they can they can still get 437 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:41,561 Speaker 5: out of the night. 438 00:21:41,561 --> 00:21:43,241 Speaker 1: Through the dog door, but you know, they just slept 439 00:21:43,281 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: in the kitchen back then. 440 00:21:44,281 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 2: I'm looking now, I can see a camera up in 441 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: the in the roof in the kitchen. Here is that 442 00:21:48,281 --> 00:21:50,881 Speaker 2: camera new camera or was that installed back in the day. 443 00:21:51,321 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 5: No, that was put in like in January twenty one 444 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,961 Speaker 5: or something that sort of looked at our kitchen because 445 00:21:57,001 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 5: that's we went away and we just want to make 446 00:21:59,241 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 5: sure the dogs are okay. We could see them, so 447 00:22:00,721 --> 00:22:02,321 Speaker 5: we added that one extra. But you know, we've got 448 00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 5: other cameras around the back of the house, and then 449 00:22:04,281 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 5: there's that there's a camera that points at our front door, 450 00:22:07,041 --> 00:22:10,561 Speaker 5: and then there's another camera that sort of shines over 451 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,561 Speaker 5: our driveway and then partly over my vehicle and then 452 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,721 Speaker 5: part over the garden at the front. 453 00:22:17,761 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 2: There we use security conscious or like in this area, 454 00:22:22,241 --> 00:22:25,041 Speaker 2: were were you aware of security or break ins or 455 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:25,761 Speaker 2: anything like that. 456 00:22:25,921 --> 00:22:28,201 Speaker 1: I suppose I remember back then that you know, there 457 00:22:28,241 --> 00:22:28,841 Speaker 1: had been. 458 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,121 Speaker 5: House is sort of broken into and cars broken into. 459 00:22:37,961 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 5: I think the reason we put the cameras in is 460 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 5: because the kids were getting to a bit older and 461 00:22:42,681 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 5: Emma was starting to go out and like leave the 462 00:22:45,761 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 5: kids at home, and yeah, we just want to make 463 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,241 Speaker 5: sure that we could sort of see around the house 464 00:22:51,281 --> 00:22:53,761 Speaker 5: and then make sure no one was getting in and 465 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 5: you know, for their safety. 466 00:22:55,001 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: I think, you know, for hours to. 467 00:22:56,281 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 5: Check on them, not really because of an issue with 468 00:23:00,201 --> 00:23:02,121 Speaker 5: you know, crime within the area. I think that's why 469 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 5: we've got it done, if I remember rightly. 470 00:23:03,441 --> 00:23:05,521 Speaker 2: So, Yeah, while I'm in the house talk with Lee 471 00:23:05,801 --> 00:23:08,681 Speaker 2: on this Sunday morning in North Lakes, his eldest daughter, 472 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 2: Scarlett was sitting at the breakfast bench having breakfast. I think, 473 00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:14,601 Speaker 2: to be honest, it was about giving her dad some 474 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: moral support. Scarlett was there the night all of this 475 00:23:17,761 --> 00:23:20,561 Speaker 2: happened to their family, and she also remembers the time 476 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: before this night that she was scared in the house. 477 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: This audio is a little bit harder to hear because 478 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,241 Speaker 2: Scarlett is sitting away from the microphones. You're also sparked 479 00:23:30,281 --> 00:23:33,521 Speaker 2: up a bit more after you and mom walking the 480 00:23:33,561 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 2: dogs one night and I messaged her saying that I 481 00:23:36,441 --> 00:23:38,001 Speaker 2: felt like I was being watched from. 482 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,721 Speaker 1: In my bedroom. Yeah, I do remember that. Yeah, And then. 483 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 5: Like you guys then brought up the topic of getting 484 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:47,241 Speaker 5: cameras because I mentioned that. Yeah, I don't know whether 485 00:23:47,241 --> 00:23:49,001 Speaker 5: anyone was there at a time or not, but that's 486 00:23:49,041 --> 00:23:51,241 Speaker 5: what Scarlett said, So it sort of made us sort 487 00:23:51,241 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 5: of want to put the cameras in. So, yeah, I 488 00:23:53,681 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 5: just bought the kit from Jaca, and between member and 489 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 5: I we sort of installed ourselves, you know. 490 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,681 Speaker 2: Yeah, you go to bed about nine thirty boxing day night, 491 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:06,761 Speaker 2: talk to me about what happens. 492 00:24:06,961 --> 00:24:10,241 Speaker 5: It's about sort of eleven thirty, and like I said, 493 00:24:10,241 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 5: we were both sort of both asleep, and then our 494 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,041 Speaker 5: little dog predominantly that I remember, like her barking, and 495 00:24:17,281 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 5: sometimes I both dogs have barked in the past and 496 00:24:19,561 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 5: you know, maybe there's a dog over the road starts 497 00:24:21,481 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 5: bike and so ours do. And you know, neverbody concerned 498 00:24:24,001 --> 00:24:25,721 Speaker 5: me too much. And then I don't know, well, they'd 499 00:24:25,721 --> 00:24:28,041 Speaker 5: hear annoise outside, but then sometimes they would bark, and 500 00:24:28,041 --> 00:24:29,721 Speaker 5: then a couple of minutes late and they'd sort. 501 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: Of settle down. 502 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,961 Speaker 5: A few seconds late, we woud settle down, and you'd 503 00:24:32,001 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 5: just drift drift off back to sleep again and owned up. 504 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:37,761 Speaker 5: Pepper kept barking and barking and barking and wouldn't stop, 505 00:24:37,761 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 5: and he carried on a bit more. And then so 506 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 5: I was sort of, you know, i'd sort of winking 507 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,241 Speaker 5: up and then and then sort of just turned over 508 00:24:45,281 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 5: and looked at Emma and she sort of laying on 509 00:24:47,761 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 5: her back in bed, and then you know, see her 510 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,561 Speaker 5: on her phone, and she was like front door open, 511 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:57,001 Speaker 5: and I didn't I didn't even cross my mind that 512 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,801 Speaker 5: like someone was in the house. But I just wanted 513 00:24:59,801 --> 00:25:01,321 Speaker 5: to get up to like shut the door to make 514 00:25:01,321 --> 00:25:02,881 Speaker 5: sure no one was going to get in the house, 515 00:25:02,921 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 5: because we had had issues at least once or twice 516 00:25:06,201 --> 00:25:09,001 Speaker 5: where you know, the door was pushed to but even 517 00:25:09,001 --> 00:25:10,881 Speaker 5: like one Saturday, random we were sitting in the front 518 00:25:10,961 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 5: room and then like the door just opened and the 519 00:25:12,441 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 5: door run away. Oh maybe maybe the door hasn't been 520 00:25:15,961 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 5: pushed too properly and it's come open. So you know, 521 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 5: I suppose within the blink of an eye toimething, that's 522 00:25:20,721 --> 00:25:22,281 Speaker 5: the thought that goes through your mind, like just get 523 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 5: up and close the door. 524 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,001 Speaker 1: So yeah, sort of, you know, because my side. 525 00:25:27,801 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 5: Had been I suppose it's slightly closer than him, as 526 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,681 Speaker 5: I suppose, but I think we both like rushed to the. 527 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: Door, and it wasn't if she laid in bed. 528 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 5: We both rushed to the door, and you know, I 529 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 5: opened up the bedroom door. 530 00:25:38,681 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, there was like this guy sort of standing 531 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,321 Speaker 1: right in front of the bedroom door. And then I 532 00:25:47,321 --> 00:25:48,521 Speaker 1: remember seeing the second guy. 533 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 5: He was in our living room where our sofa is, 534 00:25:51,241 --> 00:25:54,521 Speaker 5: and then he was then walking back towards the hallway 535 00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 5: or then coming back towards the hallway in the next episode, 536 00:26:06,681 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 5: Like I thought that as we sort of come out 537 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:10,241 Speaker 5: the door and then try to sort of hang off 538 00:26:10,321 --> 00:26:12,121 Speaker 5: like around his neck, and then I think I sort 539 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,521 Speaker 5: of slipped and then as I went on to the ground, 540 00:26:14,561 --> 00:26:18,041 Speaker 5: and then he sort of then kicked me twice maybe 541 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:18,561 Speaker 5: three times. 542 00:26:18,681 --> 00:26:20,801 Speaker 1: I think at least like twice in her face. And then. 543 00:26:24,441 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 5: And the next thing, I know, I looked at Emma 544 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,961 Speaker 5: and she was like this, you know, sort of she'd 545 00:26:28,001 --> 00:26:29,521 Speaker 5: moved a bit, but like she was on in front 546 00:26:29,561 --> 00:26:32,681 Speaker 5: of me, like laying on the floor with her back 547 00:26:32,721 --> 00:26:35,561 Speaker 5: to me, you know, so you know, and it was 548 00:26:35,561 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 5: a bit of a shock to like see her there 549 00:26:37,561 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 5: because I was like, you know, second ago, she was 550 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,121 Speaker 5: like standing up, but standing in front of me there. 551 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:44,201 Speaker 5: And next thing, she's lay on the floor in case 552 00:26:44,241 --> 00:26:46,561 Speaker 5: he come back with the phone, and you know, she 553 00:26:46,681 --> 00:26:49,481 Speaker 5: was like, mummy's bleeding, and I remember, like, what do 554 00:26:49,521 --> 00:26:50,321 Speaker 5: you mean she's bleeding? 555 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: And then was over. I sort of kneeled over and 556 00:26:52,241 --> 00:26:52,721 Speaker 1: looked at her. 557 00:26:52,721 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 5: Left side and he was here, our left side of 558 00:26:56,201 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 5: the ninety dislike actually the sucking blood. 559 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:00,241 Speaker 1: And then that panic sets in and then