Speaker 1: Before we begin.
Speaker 2: This podcast contains graphic descriptions of violence.
Speaker 1: Stuart John Reagan. He was the maniac gangster shotgun Johnny Nano,
Speaker 1: the magician gunned down at the age of just twenty
Speaker 1: nine after terrorizing the East Coast of Australia throughout the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties and seventies. It was said he killed up
Speaker 1: to twelve people, including an innocent toddler, and vanished their bodies.
Speaker 1: At the height of his notoriety, his evil, his violence,
Speaker 1: his hair triggered temper. His reputation as a vendor of
Speaker 1: death was distilled into a single word, Reagan. He terrified
Speaker 1: crooks and coppers alike. He was the monster with movie
Speaker 1: star good looks. Women fawned over him. Men tried to
Speaker 1: imitate the teetotaling tough guy. What set him apart was
Speaker 1: his hair triggered temper from zero to lethal boiling point
Speaker 1: in the blink of an eye. His few friends said
Speaker 1: he had a tiger inside of him. His own murder
Speaker 1: at the hands of free gunmen in a grubby Sydney
Speaker 1: laneway in broad daylight remains unsolved, and half a century later,
Speaker 1: police still don't want to know about it. He was
Speaker 1: crazy by any measure, a standout psychopath in a criminal
Speaker 1: era that had its fair share of them. Reagan roared
Speaker 1: through the underworld like a flame thrower before eight bullets
Speaker 1: to the body and the head stopped the chaos. That's
Speaker 1: where the story should have ended, but not for the
Speaker 1: Reagan family. His name and reputation have soiled a family
Speaker 1: tree from rural New South Wales that is filled with
Speaker 1: pioneers and war heroes. Was Stuart John Reagan as bad
Speaker 1: as history has portrayed him? Did he actually kill little
Speaker 1: Carlos in nineteen seventy four, and who in turn murdered
Speaker 1: Reagan a few months later. After years of investigation, the
Speaker 1: family now has some answers. In this podcast, we will
Speaker 1: reveal a new theory about Reagan's assassination as possible retribution
Speaker 1: for Carlos's death. How Reagan tried to kill whistleblowing Madame
Speaker 1: Shirley Brifman, who died in mysterio circumstances shortly afterwards. How
Speaker 1: domestic violence perpetrated by Reagan's terrifying mother Claire, set him
Speaker 1: on the path to crime and into history. How Reagan
Speaker 1: was brutalized at a boy's home that was little more
Speaker 1: than an academy for Australia's leading criminals, including Chow Hayes,
Speaker 1: Neddie Smith, Lenny McPherson and George Freeman. We'll expose for
Speaker 1: the first time Reagan's role in the whiskeyer Go Go
Speaker 1: nightclub massacre in Brisbane in nineteen seventy three, which killed
Speaker 1: fifteen innocent people. And incredibly, you will hear the voice
Speaker 1: of Johnny Reagan himself from old real to real tapes
Speaker 1: hidden away for years in a black suitcase. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the nether world of Australia's last old school gangster. I'm
Speaker 1: journalist Matthew Condon and this is The Gangsters Ghost episode
Speaker 1: one dead Man talking. How on Earth did I end
Speaker 1: up here? A couple of days ago, I was at
Speaker 1: home in far northern New South Wales, having a surf
Speaker 1: with my kids, surrounded by beautiful beaches and lush rainforests.
Speaker 1: Now Here, I am on a farm outside the country
Speaker 1: town of Young on the southwestern slopes of New South Wales,
Speaker 1: more than one thousand, one hundred kilometers away. The lands
Speaker 1: cape gently rolling with patchwork wheat and canola fields, surrounded
Speaker 1: by hundreds, no thousands, of grubby sheep. I was only
Speaker 1: here because of a local farmer, Kelly Slater. I was
Speaker 1: here because Kelly contacted me and asked if I was
Speaker 1: interested in finding out the truth about a gangster she
Speaker 1: had in her family tree. I still vividly remember when
Speaker 1: Kelly Slater Reagan, herself a former New South Wales copper,
Speaker 1: first contacted me. This is Kelly reading an email she
Speaker 1: sent me.
Speaker 3: Hi, I'm an ex police officer and cousin of Johnny Reagan.
Speaker 3: We're looking at doing a podcast on him, the good,
Speaker 3: the bad, the ugly, mostly the two Ladder, but his
Speaker 3: childhood as well. We have letters and recordings that have
Speaker 3: never been heard. Looking for help to make it work
Speaker 3: Kelly Reagan.
Speaker 1: So I phoned Kelly. We talked about how the family
Speaker 1: needed the truth after all these years. If the Reagans
Speaker 1: were looking for any redemption here, it was going to
Speaker 1: be difficult to find. What if the family came on
Speaker 1: this journey and found a monster even more vile and
Speaker 1: horrific than they could possibly imagine, they had to be
Speaker 1: prepared for the worst. The first and most obvious thing
Speaker 1: for me to do was to go to Young to
Speaker 1: meet Kelly. We needed to talk about her dead gangster cousin.
Speaker 1: Here's Kelly. We're sitting at her kitchen table at that
Speaker 1: farm in.
Speaker 3: Young Honestly, I don't know exactly what we'll find. I
Speaker 3: know we'll find that he probably killed people. I've accepted
Speaker 3: that fact. Will we find did he kill that little
Speaker 3: boy like that? Is? That's something I'd really liked Carlos,
Speaker 3: Did he or Didney? And I'm resigned to the fact
Speaker 3: that if he did, like but I'm hopeful of it.
Speaker 3: Given the whiskey of goe goo? What was his involvement
Speaker 3: in that? Was he a psychopath? Like they said? Is
Speaker 3: the stories that they tell about in truth?
Speaker 4: Why do you want to know this right now? In history?
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's funny, isn't it, Like when you
Speaker 3: you know, they talk about war veterans and all that,
Speaker 3: and they I think you get to a certain age
Speaker 3: where you just think you want to know, Like in
Speaker 3: my twenties, you'd think I would have wanted to know.
Speaker 1: I knew from the outset that I had well a
Speaker 1: partner in crime here. Only two people were ever truly
Speaker 1: on the inside when it came to Reagan, Margaret and
Speaker 1: Reagan's mother Claire Claire Mary Rahl Reagan outlived her son
Speaker 1: and only child by fourteen years, and she's been resting
Speaker 1: in the Catholic lawn section of Sydney's Rookwood Cemetery, Plot
Speaker 1: two six five three since September nineteen eighty eight. After
Speaker 1: just a couple of days in Young and talking to
Speaker 1: the Reagan family, it soon became apparent that this story
Speaker 1: had another shadowy figure, and that was Claire Reagan, a
Speaker 1: figure so malevolent that to this day she is still
Speaker 1: reviled in Young. Back then, everyone called her the Colonel.
Speaker 1: By all accounts, she was manipulative, controlling, violent, intimidating and cruel.
Speaker 1: She horsewhipped her son and terrified his teachers at the
Speaker 1: local Catholic school. I asked Kelly about the family's view
Speaker 1: of Reagan's childhood and the Colonel Young look.
Speaker 3: I think it was tough with his mother. She was
Speaker 3: a tyrant, She was cruel. She would flog him mercilessly.
Speaker 3: The other kids were terrified of that. The brothers at
Speaker 3: the school were terrified of Oh, she was cruel, She
Speaker 3: was cruel, She was a monster.
Speaker 1: David Pattinson was in the same primary school class as Reagan.
Speaker 1: He too heard about the monster that was the Colonel.
Speaker 5: He actually had a fight at school with Paul Gibson,
Speaker 5: who Paul gave him a body knows. Then another took
Speaker 5: him down to his mother and she's working behind the
Speaker 5: bar and she came out with the cloth of the bar,
Speaker 5: wiped his face, said you get out of here and
Speaker 5: get back there and give him a bleeding nose.
Speaker 1: We would discover many curious and appalling things about Colonel
Speaker 1: and her strange magnetic hold on her son Stuart John Reagan,
Speaker 1: about his childhood in young his alcoholic father, alf the
Speaker 1: marriage breakup that saw Claire and little Johnny move to Sydney,
Speaker 1: and a teenage Reagan's dissent into serious crime. Then there's
Speaker 1: the enduring family rumor that when Claire Reagan went to
Speaker 1: live in Sydney, she actually ran a few prostitutes out
Speaker 1: of the house in Liverpool Street, Darlinghurst to survive.
Speaker 3: The family never liked her at all, but there was
Speaker 3: always this thing that she got Johnny into crime because
Speaker 3: when she went to Sydney that she ran girls herself,
Speaker 3: and he stood over those girls that she ran. He'd
Speaker 3: worked for her and that's how he got started in it.
Speaker 1: Well, Kelly's offer of joining the family in this hunt
Speaker 1: for the real Stuart John Reagan was already irresistible. They
Speaker 1: had documents letters from Reagan in prison, but they had
Speaker 1: something else, something I had to hear quite literally to believe,
Speaker 1: and almost as an afterthought, she added, Then there's the tapes.
Speaker 1: The tapes. What tapes, I asked, Johnny. She said, We've
Speaker 1: got secret tapes of Johnny on the phone back in
Speaker 1: the day, hours of them before he was murdered.
Speaker 5: Testing one, two, three for five.
Speaker 1: As a crime writer, you encounter a lot of dark
Speaker 1: and surprising things. Sometimes you hear stories you wish you
Speaker 1: could unhear. For the first time, I sat down and
Speaker 1: listened to the old tapes hidden in a suitcase for decades,
Speaker 1: I was speechless.
Speaker 6: You know what he's doing.
Speaker 5: He's that's a black man, and he said, I'll buy
Speaker 5: the diamonds back off you for that amount of okay,
Speaker 5: when the time period elapsed, I didn't want to sell
Speaker 5: him to the Norman Carter and he's how.
Speaker 1: It's difficult to describe the sensation of hearing for the
Speaker 1: first time the actual voice of a notorious killer. It
Speaker 1: only read about in books and ancient newspaper clippings. It
Speaker 1: felt like I was sitting in the same room as
Speaker 1: a ghost. Reagan loved technology, and at some stage decided
Speaker 1: to tape his home phone calls. He rigged up his
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties rotary dial telephone with a microphone and a
Speaker 1: real to reel tape deck recorder. He even took a
Speaker 1: concealed miniature cassette recorder out into the streets of King's
Speaker 1: Cross and Darlinghurst and captured conversations with other criminals and
Speaker 1: crooked cops. You know you've got a good defense for this.
Speaker 1: Those lost tapes are filled with Reagan's wheeling and dealing,
Speaker 1: his superior knowledge of the law, and his relentless quest
Speaker 1: to get around it.
Speaker 7: You shouldn't have had that card resisted in your name
Speaker 7: in the third.
Speaker 1: Place, and the names of many of the coppers he
Speaker 1: could either work with or manipulate with cash under the.
Speaker 4: Table, which is him mate what he Schnakeer plaid. He's
Speaker 4: probably a mate of Stirdon.
Speaker 1: He even thinks out loud about putting a bullet in
Speaker 1: an enemy's head, just as casually as you and I
Speaker 1: might wonder out loud what we'll have for breakfast. You
Speaker 1: might my word I'm not telling you a lot.
Speaker 4: I'll give you to your ideas, Tom, if you want
Speaker 4: to go through with him. If not, well, you know.
Speaker 1: Reagan kept his tapes hidden away in a suit case
Speaker 1: in his mother's house in Sydney when he died. That
Speaker 1: suit case stayed inside a dark cupboard until his own mother,
Speaker 1: the Colonel, passed away in nineteen eighty eight. The tapes
Speaker 1: magnetic recording reels, each as big as a bread plate,
Speaker 1: were lost for years. As recently as a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago, these historical artifacts sounded like something out of
Speaker 1: an audio museum, muffled, garbled, ancient, then lightning stroke. The
Speaker 1: Australian's in house sound maestro Jasper Leak had come across
Speaker 1: an artificial intelligence program that he thought might help clean
Speaker 1: up Reagan's amateur recordings. Then our other audio guru, Leah Sammaglu,
Speaker 1: spent hundreds of hours feeding the Reagan tapes through this
Speaker 1: AI software, fine tuning, finessing, and drawing out voices and
Speaker 1: sounds from half a century ago. This is Johnny captured
Speaker 1: on the raw digital file of the Reagan tapes.
Speaker 3: And the cops and what they're doing and what they're
Speaker 3: trying to I will.
Speaker 1: And this is the same audio after Jasper Leah and
Speaker 1: our new best friend artificial intelligence performed their wizardry.
Speaker 6: Have you heard HEARDing wistern Red the coppers and what
Speaker 6: they're doing and what they're trying to do?
Speaker 1: Look, you know yourself, nobody coppers will?
Speaker 5: I will.
Speaker 1: This journey has made me rethink all the trepidation and
Speaker 1: debate surrounding artificial intelligence, particularly in the field of journalism.
Speaker 1: Would AI ultimately replace journalists as we'd been warned? Would
Speaker 1: it take over the world. The experience with the Reagan tapes, however,
Speaker 1: is an exciting, in this case jaw dropping example of
Speaker 1: how AI is far from the bogey man. For the podcast,
Speaker 1: it has proved to be a phenomenal tool. You will
Speaker 1: soon be hearing a lot of the gangster's ghost, as
Speaker 1: clear as if the killer himself had pulled up a
Speaker 1: chair at your kitchen table and settled down for a
Speaker 1: cup of tea and a chat.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, we'll put him with the others. Reagan, of course, No.
Speaker 7: Reagan was shot dead by three shepherd guns. I'm out
Speaker 7: at Maryfrell near Henson Park.
Speaker 1: This is the notorious Foreman, New Southwell detective and convicted
Speaker 1: murderer Roger Rogerson, who talked to me over the fern
Speaker 1: many years ago about Johnny Reagan.
Speaker 7: Lenny Macpherson said to me once mat he said Roger,
Speaker 7: he said, you can control a bad man, but you
Speaker 7: can't control a madman. I've never ever forgotten.
Speaker 1: Roger's dead now, but he knew a bad man when
Speaker 1: he met one, and he knew Reagan was out of control.
Speaker 1: The seemingly untouchable Stuart John Reagan, who often wore a
Speaker 1: bulletproof vest and always had a bodyguard by his side,
Speaker 1: was there one minute, larger than life and gone the next,
Speaker 1: a corpse bleeding out on a Sydney side street. You've
Speaker 1: been a police officer.
Speaker 6: What does it say that suddenly all lines of investigation,
Speaker 6: query asking questions all stopped upon his death. Well, it's
Speaker 6: still an active cold case his murder.
Speaker 3: Well you think so, wouldn't you, because they never closed
Speaker 3: there's no statute of limitations on murder. And here is
Speaker 3: one of the biggest gangsters. So who's killed one of
Speaker 3: the biggest gangsters. Wouldn't you want to know out of curiosity? See,
Speaker 3: the family was always told that he was killed by
Speaker 3: police and it was You know, if they were. They
Speaker 3: were very brazen because they used thirty eighth's, so it
Speaker 3: was always said that he was killed by police.
Speaker 1: Kelly Reagan was treated with extreme suspicion when she applied
Speaker 1: to join the police. A relative of this violent killer
Speaker 1: wanted to sign up to keep the peace in New
Speaker 1: South Wales. I was interested in whether having Reagan in
Speaker 1: her family tree actually inspired Kelly to combat crime. She
Speaker 1: had been fascinated with Johnny Reagan since she was a
Speaker 1: little girl.
Speaker 6: I don't know overstretched the metaphor, but in the one
Speaker 6: family you've got a notorious gangster and a New Souls
Speaker 6: police officer.
Speaker 3: I know, don't worry. When I went for my job interview,
Speaker 3: I was expecting three serving senior serving, but there was
Speaker 3: five on the panel and that's mostly all they asked
Speaker 3: for about. So Kelly Reagan from young yep, what's your
Speaker 3: relationship to Stuart John Reagan? Well, I never met him.
Speaker 3: Here's my dad's cousin. And then it was just question
Speaker 3: after question after question.
Speaker 1: Time and again. As Kelly and I borrowed closer to
Speaker 1: the truth about this complex man, strange things happened, ridiculous
Speaker 1: coincidences and wild strokes of luck.
Speaker 3: Because over the years I have spoken to people. So
Speaker 3: I was at the station and a guy brought me
Speaker 3: in a scrapbook and he said, I just thought you
Speaker 3: might be interested, and seeing this, I know he was
Speaker 3: your cousin. I went, oh, right, and I had a
Speaker 3: look and here's the scrap book of all. So I
Speaker 3: was sitting out in the meal room and I was
Speaker 3: just having a look at it, and it was just
Speaker 3: sitting on the table. Now, what's the chances of assistant commissioner,
Speaker 3: former member of the armed hold up squad? So I've
Speaker 3: been told pops in and he sees this thing there
Speaker 3: and he says, ah, please looking at this, and I said, oh,
Speaker 3: that's me. And he said, oh, what's your interest in Reagan?
Speaker 3: And I said, well, he's my dad's first cousin. Oh, oh, well,
Speaker 3: I can put you in contact with someone who can
Speaker 3: tell you. So that's when he gave me old mate's number.
Speaker 3: He said, I'll meet you at the golf course in
Speaker 3: Nelson's Bay. It was real cloak and dagger, and he
Speaker 3: handed me a letter that I had to destroy.
Speaker 4: What was the matter.
Speaker 3: It was just sort of saying that, you know, he
Speaker 3: knew John, that he'd arrested him that he was. He
Speaker 3: went to the hospital when he'd broken Marg's jaw and
Speaker 3: tried to get him, tried to get Mark to give
Speaker 3: a statement, which you wouldn't give a statement. It was
Speaker 3: sort of just about that. And I'm like, is there
Speaker 3: anything else do you know killed?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no no. I'm like, oh right, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: yepdo and then off he went. So every time someone
Speaker 3: would find out that my name was Reagan and I
Speaker 3: was from the young and it was a police officer
Speaker 3: they and they were senior, they'd all way, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: do you know Johnny Reagan? Yeah, yeah, I do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like a guy that was a detective at Newtown at
Speaker 3: the same time. I said, if you were there in
Speaker 3: seventy four, do you remember Stuart John Rare Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah I do. I said, well he was my cousin.
Speaker 3: He said, all right. I said, do you ever know
Speaker 3: who killed him? He said, well, we were told that
Speaker 3: in the area at the time there was a car
Speaker 3: with four detectives seen in it. They were wearing these
Speaker 3: bowler hats or something, and they had police coats on.
Speaker 3: And he said there was always a whisper that it
Speaker 3: was Rogerson's first hit.
Speaker 6: Roger Rogerson.
Speaker 1: Roger Caleb Rogerson, the notorious former New South Wales police
Speaker 1: detective sergeant implicated in killing's assault, verbally, drug dealing and
Speaker 1: corruption during a tumultuous career that saw him both admired
Speaker 1: and hated. At his peak from the late nineteen sixties
Speaker 1: through to the early nineteen eighties, he associated with all
Speaker 1: the corrupt cops and Sydney gangsters that formed Johnny Reagan's milliere.
Speaker 1: Rogerson was one of the lead detectives who investigated the
Speaker 1: Whisky Go Go nightclub bombing in Brisbane in nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 1: which left fifteen people dead. This incredibly brought him into
Speaker 1: the orbit of Reagan, but more of that later. Rogerson
Speaker 1: became infamous after shooting dead drug dealer Warren Lanfranchi. It
Speaker 1: was suspected too, that he was involved in the attempted
Speaker 1: murder of one of his own colleagues, police officer Michael Drew,
Speaker 1: who had refused to take a bribe. Rogerson was dismissed
Speaker 1: from the New South Wales Police Force in nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 1: hit the pub circuit telling tall stories about his infamous
Speaker 1: career before being charged in twenty fourteen with the murder
Speaker 1: of Sydney drug dealer Jamie Gow. Rogerson was found guilty
Speaker 1: of that crime. He died in Sydney's Long Bay jail.
Speaker 1: Last year when he was convicted of the Gow murder.
Speaker 1: A Sydney newspaper ran a headline, serial killer with a badge.
Speaker 3: And I said, what do you mean, his first hit?
Speaker 3: And they said, since the forties and fifties, there's always
Speaker 3: been a hit man in the ci burn. I said,
Speaker 3: you can't be a generation yes, I said, you can't
Speaker 3: be serious. He said, Oh, the rank and file would
Speaker 3: never know about it. He said, but when detectives, when
Speaker 3: we'd all go out and we'd all be having a
Speaker 3: beer and lips would loosen a bit. Said, there was
Speaker 3: always talk of that sort of stuff. Who told you
Speaker 3: that story.
Speaker 1: The observation that each generation of police might have a
Speaker 1: professional killer in its ranks is far from outlandish, given
Speaker 1: the history of corruption in the New South Wales Force.
Speaker 1: That reputation began with the arrival of the first fleet
Speaker 1: in seventeen eighty eight and has never abated. Corruption flourished
Speaker 1: in Sydney during the Second World War and became a
Speaker 1: fine art in the hands of men like Ray Gunner,
Speaker 1: Kelly and Fred Froggy Cray from the nineteen fifties to
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies. Roger Rogerson was part of the new
Speaker 1: generation that carried that crooked baton forward. The Wood Role
Speaker 1: Commission into the New South Wales Police Service between nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five and nineteen ninety seven examined the extent of
Speaker 1: corruption in the force. It exposed countless examples of misconduct
Speaker 1: and hundreds of officers were forced to resign. That first
Speaker 1: day I met Kelly and we sat at her kitchen table.
Speaker 1: We were awaiting some one else. Margaret Reagan, Johnny's long
Speaker 1: term some might say long suffering, de facto wife, mother
Speaker 1: to his daughters Helen and Claire, and to their son,
Speaker 1: John Junior. Could she take us inside the world of
Speaker 1: the last of Sydney's old time gangsters during his heyday
Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties. Could she help us understand his
Speaker 1: murderous temper, his taste for violence, and why history would
Speaker 1: attach anywhere up to twelve murders to his name, including
Speaker 1: an innocent three year old boy. And what happened on
Speaker 1: that last day when Reagan, unarmed and unprotected, was a
Speaker 1: gunned down mercilessly, with one of the killers delivering a
Speaker 1: final point blank headshot to make sure the boy from
Speaker 1: Cherrytown was well and truly dead. I had a frank
Speaker 1: discussion with Kelly about what marg might or might not
Speaker 1: decide to tell us. Cooperative? Do you think by her nature,
Speaker 1: she might, like most people, hold something back. What do
Speaker 1: you reckon.
Speaker 3: During Mark's formative years, she's with John and you know
Speaker 3: the skills she's being taught by him. Is you know
Speaker 3: to say nothing, to keep your mouth shut? I think
Speaker 3: she really wants to open and tell all that she knows.
Speaker 1: Do you think she still has a residue of fear.
Speaker 3: No, I think she's as tough as old bootstraps.
Speaker 1: Now that afternoon, Mark Reagan arrived with one of her daughters.
Speaker 1: She hadn't been too young in many years. Now in
Speaker 1: her seventies, you could still see the stunning good looks
Speaker 1: that had attracted Johnny Reagan all those years ago in
Speaker 1: Sydney's King's Cross, where he worked as a bouncer. On
Speaker 1: the door of the Whisky Go Go nightclub in Williams Street,
Speaker 1: the Slaters and Reagans fired up the barbie and later
Speaker 1: we set up microphones at Kelly's long kitchen table, the
Speaker 1: scene of so many family gatherings, to begin our interviews
Speaker 1: with Marg. The family started to drift out of the room,
Speaker 1: but Marg stopped them. She wanted them around her when
Speaker 1: she talked. She didn't want to do this alone. Now.
Speaker 4: I don't want to keep repeating myself for everybody. It's
Speaker 4: best to every one here, Okay, Okay, that's I want that.
Speaker 4: You're not putting me off. So for me to do this,
Speaker 4: you won't have to ask me what happened? Okay, And
Speaker 4: this is why I'm doing this, okay, So what do
Speaker 4: you want to know now?
Speaker 1: In the next episode of The Gangster's Ghost, we take
Speaker 1: you inside Reagan's earliest years in country New South Wales
Speaker 1: and the rocky relationship between his mismatched parents.
Speaker 3: That marriage never had a chance, and.
Speaker 1: We find another monster lurking in the shadows of this story,
Speaker 1: Reagan's own mother, the formidable and feared Claire, known to
Speaker 1: all as the Colonel.
Speaker 5: She built with a stock, she drown me. Mame like
Speaker 5: he was a beast. So he had a tough mother,
Speaker 5: a tough, tough lady.
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